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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Five six six nine zero is the very functional text line.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
You guys are welcome. We're gonna run right.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Out to the Kawai comes for the hotline though, and
bring on our guy. Sean Keeler, Sean, always enjoy talking
to you.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
How you doing, buddy?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
How good? How are you guys? Very functional is the
nicest thing ever said about me.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Well, I was talking about the text line.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I would I would use much better superlatives if I
was speaking about you, sir.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
That to me.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
We'll use that though, the very functional Sean Keeler. I'm
gonna I'm gonna get him a T shirt with that
made up in block print.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
It'll be like the banner from the office. It is
your birthday, you know. Always loved, always loved.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
That was Sean.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I was talking to Dave earlier starting off top of
the show, and he asked me the question about what
I thought about Prime being out there in Vegas for
Shador's you know, first game, and I like, I hadn't
thought about it really much. It hadn't occurred to me.
Like I was like, Okay, the dude went out there
to see his son. But David's like, you know when
you're coaching. Sunday in college football is the day you
really get all your offense and defense together. You get
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a lot of your work on that day. What did
you think about him going out there? Because the humanist
in me is like, well, you know, it's a father
one to see his son play ball. But then the
you know, the the college football fan me is like, well,
you know, he's also daddy to nine or ninety other
guys who are sitting back here in Colorado hoping to
win some football games.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, And I could see the conflict, and I got
to admit though, I wasn't really torn, and I wasn't
really surprised because he was gonna go like, are you
kidding me? Like that game could have been in Timbo II,
and you were gonna have Diana and to smack folks
there in the box, and they were gonna be there
in the cameras would be on them whether something happened
good or bad. So I get you know, it's just
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have funny. You know it shocked you. No, I sided
with the humanists there. Hey, I'm a dad. I get it.
I have no problem with it. Honestly, However, he's point
what you talked about earlier. Yeah, it's your college football Monday.
But it's not a normal program. It doesn't run by
normal things. It doesn't look great to the you know,
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to the other ninety that you're taking care of. But
I gotta be honest, I have a feeling that thirty
or forty those guys might not be around soon anyway.
So in a season that's gonna looks like it's going
to be three and nine, maybe it's a mood point.
I don't know. It's a great there's a no win
situation with that, But I honestly, personally, even as a
air quote critic, don't have an issue with that given
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the context of it. I don't.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Hey, shawnis rick Lewis, I talked about your article this
morning on my morning show on the Fox Headline.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
See you.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Buff's coach Deon Sanders is right, this mess is on him.
I think that's a great headline, and looking at the program,
they seem to be a hot mess right now.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, and it's got layers and it's not it's on him.
It's not just him. And again to sounds like I'm
giving him flowers when I'm the king of thorns. To
his credit, he had stood up and said come after me. Well,
you know I can laugh. I have, and I know
that there are limits to that. That said, you know,
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he has been upfront about the responsibility also in part
because he has the most unbelievable job security of anybody
known to man, and that's a lot easier to do.
I think what's going to be really, really hard and interesting,
and I'll be fascinated because I've written about this the
week before with this program is what Dion does with
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the coaching staff, because he is serious about giving underserved
and friends of his opportunities, which is not any different
from any other coach or any other CEO in a
lot of ways. It's just that a lot of his
good friends have never been coaches before. They're legendary football
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players and icons of their generation. So he likes what
he likes and it's taken a bit of a bump,
and there's been a lot of reasons for that too,
from coaching the quarterback play to the defense. Just as
you know in it's being bad from from stem to
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stern there they've never tackled a running quarterback all year
and they won't start now. And the fact that you
off's two of maybe the best five players you ever had,
and not just one of the Dean Travis Hunter, but
Hunter and Shider. He certainly lost the best two way player,
uh and best athlete and best throwing quarterback you ever had,
and it showed. I think the degree to which it
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all fell off is on him, and I think it's
I think it's the starkness of this kind of roller
coaster peaks and troughs of like four and eight, ninety four,
three nine, that it's a little hard to get used to.
And I think maybe we're gonna have to because when
you are doing that much portal hopping, and we can't
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call it mercenary you, but it kind of is. When
you're when you're changing over the roster that much much,
you are going to have a one lost record performances
that that kind of look like that on balance and
that and the good news I guess is that means
next year they could win seven or eight games. I
guess that they find the right people there. They have
to find a lot of different people to make that work.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Tucker, with Sean Kayler shown, you know, the offensive coordinator
position as an infim in there. Now they've faquently thankfully
vacated the Punt Schumer era. But as we look forward
to whatever it is that it will be next, do
you think he promotes I mean you talked about he
is a guy that's you know, I'm going to bring
along my buddies more or less is Byron Lefwich, who
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has experienced as an offensive coordinator in the NFL. The
next experiment at Colorado.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I'm surprised that hasn't been because I think we saw
the writing on the wall when he came aboard that No, well,
you know, Pat, don't don't sign any leases. Pad. This
is somebody who's had some play Calong experience, and he
is in the prime circle of trust and that is
not a very large bend diagram crossover and has done
it at a pretty good level with a pretty good
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track record.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So I.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Think if they were going to do that, they would
have done it by now. But I also think that
they're keeping all options open and know that they are
and are maybe looking again from the outside too. But
I've heard that he has a good relationship with Julian Lewis,
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which is really the most important thing here because if
there's an upside and we knew this was going to
come with the season went off the rails. For these
last four games is this week at the last two
to three of them have been about Julian Lewis and
get him integrated and making sure he's got a comfort zone.
And I think he is going to have a say
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and should have the number one say, frankly as to
where this offense goes. And I think he likes who
he's got, but I think he's got some ideas as well,
and I'll be fascinating to see because he is quarterback.
Is frank Eon Sanders offense the most critical piece and
if you don't get that right or don't get it consistent,
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you get what we've seen. So I think they want
to avoid a lot of that and that will be
the lesson that they take from this year.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
We're talking to Sean Keeler of the Denver Posts, and
as everybody knows, coach Prime is not traditional.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
He's unorthodox.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
He's trying to build a college football program in a
different way than just about anybody else that tried to
do it. He doesn't go out and recruit. He prefers
to build a team every year, a new team every
year through the transfer portal, and I don't know if
that's sustainable. I still think that's debatable if it.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Is or not.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
But now we're seeing fans losing patience, sean and interest
that stadium.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
There was a lot of.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Empty seats in that stadium Saturday night, and so Boulder
has always been that place. If you win at SEU Boulder,
people are going to go to the game. When you're
not winning, they got better things to do.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
They do.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
And I went to double check the attendance to see
if the numbers matched the eyes, because I remember that
Utah game on I think it was the Black Friday
weekend in twenty twenty two. The dark ages of the
end of one and eleven. Well, woner eleven gets said
a lot anytime you say anything remotely critical of the
coach primire, they go on a eleven what and eleven?
You go yeah, But there were other what what eleventh
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before this uh to a point they were like thirty
three thousand, five hundred for that Utah game. They were
listed about forty three thousand and change this last Saturday
for Arizona State. So yeah, we see the empty seats,
but it's not the same level of apathy. But work
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to your point, No, you're right on the honeymoon has limits.
There is an expiration date on all sides. I mean
there is a point where you know, coaches can get
frustrated with looking at either for access grades, you know, money,
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what have you that that they say, I just can't
get done here what I want to get done. So
I think we're starting to see I think to your point,
the sustainability answer is that it's not. That's what this
year also will be proven. But then then maybe they
they'll turn back and say, well, it was his health
all year. And that's a fair point. I got to
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be honest from from where we were in August, and
people who I know, who who know Prime better than
I said that he really was getting was in Texas
and was so not a factor here personally and physically
while he was recovering from from his cancer surgery. Uh,
they're surprised that he coached at all. And I kind
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of was too, because I think, in hindsight, if anyone
would have given him a grace period, you know that
did coach k take a year off or his back
you know, one of those kind of years where they go,
you know, you're good, just get right and let's do
this right, because to your point, none of us has
really felt right from the get go. It's kind of
just been like a moving train. And I mean, we're
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used to it being kind of crazy and unorthodox, but
it's just kind of been on the back foot from
about half way through that after the second drive against
Georgia Tech, when they went up and they were plus
three or plus four or whatever and couldn't punch it in,
which is in turn overs, which has kind of been
a theme I think about this season. They'll get takeaways,
they'll do the right things, and they just can't score
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to take advantage of it as opposed to a year ago.
Maybe hindsight he would have taken this year off and
gotten right. But but you know, thinking conventionally, to go
into deon Sanders mind is a is kind of it's
kind of a tricky road to go down because none
of us have never really really been in there and
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can see it. But now he's got to wear that.
You know, he might not have had to wear a
three and nine, but he's probably gonna have to wear
it this year and that's definitely going to impact the brand,
impact legacy, and it's going to impact the plan and
going forward, and so I'll be very curious to see
just how deep those adjustments go besides the obvious roster
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ones and where those things are, especially if they feel
good about Juji Lewis and building things around him.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So it was Sean Killer of the Denver post at
Sean Killer on Twitter. You know, it's interesting because when
young came here, we knew what this was going to be.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
We knew that this was going to.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Be largely a portal school as far as that that
kind of stuff goes. And at the time, that was
a novel strategy, and you know, nobody else had done it.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
We didn't know if that was sustainable.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
And when we saw right away that there was some
success at least around it in the second season, what
happens is you have other schools emulate that philosophy, and
you get diminishing herns on that because other schools with
more money are doing the same thing that you did.
Is prime going to have to switch to more of
a back to pivot, back to more of a homegrown
tactic or something where they're getting kids for the long
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term simply because this.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Portal strategy everybody's doing it.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Now I think this is a validity to that. I mean,
if Texas Tech can offer twice the money, they're going
to get twice as good a players as Shoo. Right
to your point, Yeah, it's if it becomes an open
bidding war. I don't think CU is ever going to win.
You know, even within their own league, you would think
they have a better shot in the Big twelve, which
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is such a bunch of middlewege Historically, You're You're probably
not even in the top maybe two or three compared
to you. I'm sure Baylor's got a pretty good kiddy.
All those Texas a low money places are going to have
a lot, a lot more wiggle room with I think
with the offensive line a defensive line. I've said it
from day one. I don't think you can build a
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kind of community that traditional you've had while trying to
keep piecemealing that. I think that's just a I don't
I don't think that's a that's sound strategy. I understand why,
but I think that doesn't work in the long term,
and I think you have to re examine starting there.
Offensive lines and defensive lines are not free agent skill
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position guys. You can't just plug and play and make
that happen. You've got a good left tackle in Jordan Seaton.
You've got a guy that you can build that offensive
line around that. You need three more of him, and
you need the time, the teachers and the patients to
go and establish people around him, because that's an NFL player.
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That's a guy that moved. You've you've seen him some
I'll step out of here. You're like, no, what are
you talking about? But I'm not saying I see Pine sewell.
But he can move. I like tackles the Kongo I
like line in akongoonment space. He can do that when
he's out. He hasn't been. Uh, but that's kind of
self explanatory. Then yeah, I think you will need some
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old verities. You need to kind of go back to
those basics. But that's that's count, you know. Is it counterculture?
Is it that in the Superman movie? Is it punk
to be nice? Is it punk to go slow? And
some one of those lines was there is? Is that
the new way to be rebellious is go back and
get high schoolers and go back to build them up
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in the weight room. I just don't see Deon Sanders
doing that though, because as much as he talks about
I'm impatient. I want it now. This is a unique
time and place in college sports, as you guys know,
and that's a lot of people, many, many, many would
have started saying Coach Prime could never do this with
his personality and the methodology he wants at any other
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time and place in college sports and right now. Uh.
And if that changes, well, you know, will he adapt
to it? I don't. I don't know. I think that's
a million dollars. That's a ten million dollar question that
See You is paying for. Uh, And I will be
curious how they mitigate that going forward.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Seaun teelor Denver posts one more for me.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
You're a great guest.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
By the way, you mentioned coach Prime's health issues, and
he's got some serious health issues and he had those
going in and mat big props to him for continuing
just day to day grind of coaching a big time
football program and having such a great attitude. And see
you not considered a big football powerhouse like your Michigan,
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Ohio State, Alabama's and the rest. And Prime is one
of the highest paid coaches in college football. And with that,
you have to win. He has one winning season sandwich
between a couple of three and four winning seasons at
those big football powerhouses. That coach gets fired after a
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three year start like this, Am I right?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Now, coach Prime's not going to get fired. See who's
not going to do that even if they wanted to,
they couldn't afford it. But what do you think are
the chances that maybe he steps down at the end
of the year.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I think they're less as bad as this is. God,
does that make sense? I think the brand Well, first
of all, let's go back again. He looks human as God.
What that doesn't fit to type at all. His health
is the most important thing. A human being's health and
their long term longevity. Is a father and a grand
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That man is a father and a grandfather. Go be
that First's that's the most important thing one. So I
think mother nature and or a doctor is ultimately going
to if that makes sense, to get to determine how
this ends. He hasn't been good for the brand, and
the brand will always be there. No one sells, No
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one pitches the way Deon Sanders pitches. It's a gift,
it's it's earned it It's amazing. I wish I had
that I don't. I could barely sell getting out of
chores and help my honeyde list at home. But the
health is going to be the most important thing at
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some point, and I think that ultimately wherever this ends,
I'm not sure it's now, although you get different whispers
and different corners, especially with television openings being what they are,
and with someone who is so good in the public
eye and could do again compliment to Deion Sanders, who
could do anything, someone who could do anything with the
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rest of their lives, why would they choose to do this?
I think the winning matters. I think getting his close
friends and trusted friends into coaching matters, because a lot
of these guys would not get the kind of jobs
they have now if they didn't have them for him.
I think that kind of patriarchy matters to him. That
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friendship clearly matters to him. So I don't know. I
every year, last year, at this time, walk Away win
a big twelve. Yeah, well they haven't won one yet,
So until he does, I think staying is always on
the table. But your body's going to decide that man,
and maybe a higher power than any of us, to
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be frank, well, uh.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
You know that's uh, my body has decided that it's
there's several things.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
We're not gonna get into that right now.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I was gonna tie that back to Big Mike Conco,
but I don't know Big my Concho would appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Sean.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
We appreciate you jumping on.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
As always, cloud around with this and giving us some
great insight look forward talking against him.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
You bet ain't time. Take care guys.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, thank you, Sean. Sean Keller never post that's Sean
Keiller on Twitter
Five six six nine zero is the very functional text line.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
You guys are welcome. We're gonna run right.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Out to the Kawai comes for the hotline though, and
bring on our guy. Sean Keeler, Sean, always enjoy talking
to you.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
How you doing, buddy?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
How good? How are you guys? Very functional is the
nicest thing ever said about me.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Well, I was talking about the text line.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I would I would use much better superlatives if I
was speaking about you, sir.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
That to me.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
We'll use that though, the very functional Sean Keeler. I'm
gonna I'm gonna get him a T shirt with that
made up in block print.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
It'll be like the banner from the office. It is
your birthday, you know. Always loved, always loved.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
That was Sean.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I was talking to Dave earlier starting off top of
the show, and he asked me the question about what
I thought about Prime being out there in Vegas for
Shador's you know, first game, and I like, I hadn't
thought about it really much. It hadn't occurred to me.
Like I was like, Okay, the dude went out there
to see his son. But David's like, you know when
you're coaching. Sunday in college football is the day you
really get all your offense and defense together. You get
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a lot of your work on that day. What did
you think about him going out there? Because the humanist
in me is like, well, you know, it's a father
one to see his son play ball. But then the
you know, the the college football fan me is like, well,
you know, he's also daddy to nine or ninety other
guys who are sitting back here in Colorado hoping to
win some football games.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, And I could see the conflict, and I got
to admit though, I wasn't really torn, and I wasn't
really surprised because he was gonna go like, are you
kidding me? Like that game could have been in Timbo II,
and you were gonna have Diana and to smack folks
there in the box, and they were gonna be there
in the cameras would be on them whether something happened
good or bad. So I get you know, it's just
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have funny. You know it shocked you. No, I sided
with the humanists there. Hey, I'm a dad. I get it.
I have no problem with it. Honestly, However, he's point
what you talked about earlier. Yeah, it's your college football Monday.
But it's not a normal program. It doesn't run by
normal things. It doesn't look great to the you know,
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to the other ninety that you're taking care of. But
I gotta be honest, I have a feeling that thirty
or forty those guys might not be around soon anyway.
So in a season that's gonna looks like it's going
to be three and nine, maybe it's a mood point.
I don't know. It's a great there's a no win
situation with that, But I honestly, personally, even as a
air quote critic, don't have an issue with that given
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the context of it. I don't.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Hey, shawnis rick Lewis, I talked about your article this
morning on my morning show on the Fox Headline.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
See you.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Buff's coach Deon Sanders is right, this mess is on him.
I think that's a great headline, and looking at the program,
they seem to be a hot mess right now.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, and it's got layers and it's not it's on him.
It's not just him. And again to sounds like I'm
giving him flowers when I'm the king of thorns. To
his credit, he had stood up and said come after me. Well,
you know I can laugh. I have, and I know
that there are limits to that. That said, you know,
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he has been upfront about the responsibility also in part
because he has the most unbelievable job security of anybody
known to man, and that's a lot easier to do.
I think what's going to be really, really hard and interesting,
and I'll be fascinated because I've written about this the
week before with this program is what Dion does with
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the coaching staff, because he is serious about giving underserved
and friends of his opportunities, which is not any different
from any other coach or any other CEO in a
lot of ways. It's just that a lot of his
good friends have never been coaches before. They're legendary football
(03:53):
players and icons of their generation. So he likes what
he likes and it's taken a bit of a bump,
and there's been a lot of reasons for that too,
from coaching the quarterback play to the defense. Just as
you know in it's being bad from from stem to
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stern there they've never tackled a running quarterback all year
and they won't start now. And the fact that you
off's two of maybe the best five players you ever had,
and not just one of the Dean Travis Hunter, but
Hunter and Shider. He certainly lost the best two way player,
uh and best athlete and best throwing quarterback you ever had,
and it showed. I think the degree to which it
(04:34):
all fell off is on him, and I think it's
I think it's the starkness of this kind of roller
coaster peaks and troughs of like four and eight, ninety four,
three nine, that it's a little hard to get used to.
And I think maybe we're gonna have to because when
you are doing that much portal hopping, and we can't
(04:56):
call it mercenary you, but it kind of is. When
you're when you're changing over the roster that much much,
you are going to have a one lost record performances
that that kind of look like that on balance and
that and the good news I guess is that means
next year they could win seven or eight games. I
guess that they find the right people there. They have
to find a lot of different people to make that work.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Tucker, with Sean Kayler shown, you know, the offensive coordinator
position as an infim in there. Now they've faquently thankfully
vacated the Punt Schumer era. But as we look forward
to whatever it is that it will be next, do
you think he promotes I mean you talked about he
is a guy that's you know, I'm going to bring
along my buddies more or less is Byron Lefwich, who
(05:35):
has experienced as an offensive coordinator in the NFL. The
next experiment at Colorado.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I'm surprised that hasn't been because I think we saw
the writing on the wall when he came aboard that No, well,
you know, Pat, don't don't sign any leases. Pad. This
is somebody who's had some play Calong experience, and he
is in the prime circle of trust and that is
not a very large bend diagram crossover and has done
it at a pretty good level with a pretty good
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track record.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So I.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Think if they were going to do that, they would
have done it by now. But I also think that
they're keeping all options open and know that they are
and are maybe looking again from the outside too. But
I've heard that he has a good relationship with Julian Lewis,
(06:25):
which is really the most important thing here because if
there's an upside and we knew this was going to
come with the season went off the rails. For these
last four games is this week at the last two
to three of them have been about Julian Lewis and
get him integrated and making sure he's got a comfort zone.
And I think he is going to have a say
(06:45):
and should have the number one say, frankly as to
where this offense goes. And I think he likes who
he's got, but I think he's got some ideas as well,
and I'll be fascinating to see because he is quarterback.
Is frank Eon Sanders offense the most critical piece and
if you don't get that right or don't get it consistent,
(07:08):
you get what we've seen. So I think they want
to avoid a lot of that and that will be
the lesson that they take from this year.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
We're talking to Sean Keeler of the Denver Posts, and
as everybody knows, coach Prime is not traditional.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
He's unorthodox.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
He's trying to build a college football program in a
different way than just about anybody else that tried to
do it. He doesn't go out and recruit. He prefers
to build a team every year, a new team every
year through the transfer portal, and I don't know if
that's sustainable. I still think that's debatable if it.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Is or not.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
But now we're seeing fans losing patience, sean and interest
that stadium.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
There was a lot of.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Empty seats in that stadium Saturday night, and so Boulder
has always been that place. If you win at SEU Boulder,
people are going to go to the game. When you're
not winning, they got better things to do.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
They do.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
And I went to double check the attendance to see
if the numbers matched the eyes, because I remember that
Utah game on I think it was the Black Friday
weekend in twenty twenty two. The dark ages of the
end of one and eleven. Well, woner eleven gets said
a lot anytime you say anything remotely critical of the
coach primire, they go on a eleven what and eleven?
You go yeah, But there were other what what eleventh
(08:28):
before this uh to a point they were like thirty
three thousand, five hundred for that Utah game. They were
listed about forty three thousand and change this last Saturday
for Arizona State. So yeah, we see the empty seats,
but it's not the same level of apathy. But work
(08:48):
to your point, No, you're right on the honeymoon has limits.
There is an expiration date on all sides. I mean
there is a point where you know, coaches can get
frustrated with looking at either for access grades, you know, money,
(09:09):
what have you that that they say, I just can't
get done here what I want to get done. So
I think we're starting to see I think to your point,
the sustainability answer is that it's not. That's what this
year also will be proven. But then then maybe they
they'll turn back and say, well, it was his health
all year. And that's a fair point. I got to
(09:32):
be honest from from where we were in August, and
people who I know, who who know Prime better than
I said that he really was getting was in Texas
and was so not a factor here personally and physically
while he was recovering from from his cancer surgery. Uh,
they're surprised that he coached at all. And I kind
(09:54):
of was too, because I think, in hindsight, if anyone
would have given him a grace period, you know that
did coach k take a year off or his back
you know, one of those kind of years where they go,
you know, you're good, just get right and let's do
this right, because to your point, none of us has
really felt right from the get go. It's kind of
just been like a moving train. And I mean, we're
(10:16):
used to it being kind of crazy and unorthodox, but
it's just kind of been on the back foot from
about half way through that after the second drive against
Georgia Tech, when they went up and they were plus
three or plus four or whatever and couldn't punch it in,
which is in turn overs, which has kind of been
a theme I think about this season. They'll get takeaways,
they'll do the right things, and they just can't score
(10:39):
to take advantage of it as opposed to a year ago.
Maybe hindsight he would have taken this year off and
gotten right. But but you know, thinking conventionally, to go
into deon Sanders mind is a is kind of it's
kind of a tricky road to go down because none
of us have never really really been in there and
(11:00):
can see it. But now he's got to wear that.
You know, he might not have had to wear a
three and nine, but he's probably gonna have to wear
it this year and that's definitely going to impact the brand,
impact legacy, and it's going to impact the plan and
going forward, and so I'll be very curious to see
just how deep those adjustments go besides the obvious roster
(11:22):
ones and where those things are, especially if they feel
good about Juji Lewis and building things around him.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So it was Sean Killer of the Denver post at
Sean Killer on Twitter. You know, it's interesting because when
young came here, we knew what this was going to be.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
We knew that this was going to.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Be largely a portal school as far as that that
kind of stuff goes. And at the time, that was
a novel strategy, and you know, nobody else had done it.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
We didn't know if that was sustainable.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
And when we saw right away that there was some
success at least around it in the second season, what
happens is you have other schools emulate that philosophy, and
you get diminishing herns on that because other schools with
more money are doing the same thing that you did.
Is prime going to have to switch to more of
a back to pivot, back to more of a homegrown
tactic or something where they're getting kids for the long
(12:11):
term simply because this.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Portal strategy everybody's doing it.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Now I think this is a validity to that. I mean,
if Texas Tech can offer twice the money, they're going
to get twice as good a players as Shoo. Right
to your point, Yeah, it's if it becomes an open
bidding war. I don't think CU is ever going to win.
You know, even within their own league, you would think
they have a better shot in the Big twelve, which
(12:36):
is such a bunch of middlewege Historically, You're You're probably
not even in the top maybe two or three compared
to you. I'm sure Baylor's got a pretty good kiddy.
All those Texas a low money places are going to have
a lot, a lot more wiggle room with I think
with the offensive line a defensive line. I've said it
from day one. I don't think you can build a
(12:57):
kind of community that traditional you've had while trying to
keep piecemealing that. I think that's just a I don't
I don't think that's a that's sound strategy. I understand why,
but I think that doesn't work in the long term,
and I think you have to re examine starting there.
Offensive lines and defensive lines are not free agent skill
(13:18):
position guys. You can't just plug and play and make
that happen. You've got a good left tackle in Jordan Seaton.
You've got a guy that you can build that offensive
line around that. You need three more of him, and
you need the time, the teachers and the patients to
go and establish people around him, because that's an NFL player.
(13:39):
That's a guy that moved. You've you've seen him some
I'll step out of here. You're like, no, what are
you talking about? But I'm not saying I see Pine sewell.
But he can move. I like tackles the Kongo I
like line in akongoonment space. He can do that when
he's out. He hasn't been. Uh, but that's kind of
self explanatory. Then yeah, I think you will need some
(13:59):
old verities. You need to kind of go back to
those basics. But that's that's count, you know. Is it counterculture?
Is it that in the Superman movie? Is it punk
to be nice? Is it punk to go slow? And
some one of those lines was there is? Is that
the new way to be rebellious is go back and
get high schoolers and go back to build them up
(14:21):
in the weight room. I just don't see Deon Sanders
doing that though, because as much as he talks about
I'm impatient. I want it now. This is a unique
time and place in college sports, as you guys know,
and that's a lot of people, many, many, many would
have started saying Coach Prime could never do this with
his personality and the methodology he wants at any other
(14:43):
time and place in college sports and right now. Uh.
And if that changes, well, you know, will he adapt
to it? I don't. I don't know. I think that's
a million dollars. That's a ten million dollar question that
See You is paying for. Uh, And I will be
curious how they mitigate that going forward.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Seaun teelor Denver posts one more for me.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
You're a great guest.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
By the way, you mentioned coach Prime's health issues, and
he's got some serious health issues and he had those
going in and mat big props to him for continuing
just day to day grind of coaching a big time
football program and having such a great attitude. And see
you not considered a big football powerhouse like your Michigan,
(15:29):
Ohio State, Alabama's and the rest. And Prime is one
of the highest paid coaches in college football. And with that,
you have to win. He has one winning season sandwich
between a couple of three and four winning seasons at
those big football powerhouses. That coach gets fired after a
(15:50):
three year start like this, Am I right?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Now, coach Prime's not going to get fired. See who's
not going to do that even if they wanted to,
they couldn't afford it. But what do you think are
the chances that maybe he steps down at the end
of the year.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I think they're less as bad as this is. God,
does that make sense? I think the brand Well, first
of all, let's go back again. He looks human as God.
What that doesn't fit to type at all. His health
is the most important thing. A human being's health and
their long term longevity. Is a father and a grand
(16:27):
That man is a father and a grandfather. Go be
that First's that's the most important thing one. So I
think mother nature and or a doctor is ultimately going
to if that makes sense, to get to determine how
this ends. He hasn't been good for the brand, and
the brand will always be there. No one sells, No
(16:50):
one pitches the way Deon Sanders pitches. It's a gift,
it's it's earned it It's amazing. I wish I had
that I don't. I could barely sell getting out of
chores and help my honeyde list at home. But the
health is going to be the most important thing at
(17:11):
some point, and I think that ultimately wherever this ends,
I'm not sure it's now, although you get different whispers
and different corners, especially with television openings being what they are,
and with someone who is so good in the public
eye and could do again compliment to Deion Sanders, who
could do anything, someone who could do anything with the
(17:35):
rest of their lives, why would they choose to do this?
I think the winning matters. I think getting his close
friends and trusted friends into coaching matters, because a lot
of these guys would not get the kind of jobs
they have now if they didn't have them for him.
I think that kind of patriarchy matters to him. That
(17:57):
friendship clearly matters to him. So I don't know. I
every year, last year, at this time, walk Away win
a big twelve. Yeah, well they haven't won one yet,
So until he does, I think staying is always on
the table. But your body's going to decide that man,
and maybe a higher power than any of us, to
(18:18):
be frank, well, uh.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
You know that's uh, my body has decided that it's
there's several things.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
We're not gonna get into that right now.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I was gonna tie that back to Big Mike Conco,
but I don't know Big my Concho would appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Sean.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
We appreciate you jumping on.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
As always, cloud around with this and giving us some
great insight look forward talking against him.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
You bet ain't time. Take care guys.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, thank you, Sean. Sean Keller never post that's Sean
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