December 1, 2025 • 41 mins
Shannon The Dude and Billy Rutledge talk Mark Stoops being fired from Kentucky and who the next coach might be.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everyone to another edition of the KSR pre Show.
Today is Monday, December first. I'm Billy Rutledge along with
Shannon the Dude. You can give us a call on
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at the City Center on Main Street. That's where I'm
at today here on the seventh floor in Lexington. Shannon
the Dude is back in Louisville. Today is Cyber Monday.
We're coming off the Thanksgiving holiday weekend and plenty of
UK sports to talk about today. Good morning, dude, it's
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good to see it. Good to be back with you.
How was your long weekend?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It was great man, good to get away for a
few days. But here we are and a lot happened
over the weekend. You mentioned it being Cyber Monday. Do
they have any good deals on football coaches online for
Cyber Monday? Can you get a good deal if we
shop around and find the right website.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Well, Kentucky definitely needs one kind of late to the
party when it comes to the coach in carousel.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
But it is official.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
As of about twenty thirty minutes ago, Mitch Barnhardt, Kentucky
President Eli Capoluto, released a statement saying Mark Stoops would
be fired from the University of Kentucky as head football
coach after thirteen seasons, an overall seventy two and eighty record,
A guy that brought two ten win seasons to the program,
eight straight bowl games, the all time winning his coach,
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passing Bear Bryant. A lot of great things we could
talk about with Mark Stoops, but this all came about
because of the beatdown Kentucky got on Saturday, forty one
to zero. The Cats lose to Louisville. You know, I
don't want to dwell that much on the game for
what reason, because they you know, Kentucky's already lost and
moved forward. But Shannon, I think there was a sentiment
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that Mark Stoops would be the football coach another year
before that game started. You think there's any truth to
that beatdown was so bad that it got Mark Stoops
fired absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I think there's a very good chance that if you're
Mark Stoops, you can keep your job going five and seven.
But what you can't do is lose to your biggest
rival forty one to nothing, show absolutely no fight whatsoever.
And I think the week before that when you got
beat forty five to seventeen evance. So you combine those
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two scores, and after a three game win streak, when
Kentucky is two and five, we had already written off
Mark Stoops.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Then he wins three straight.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
All of a sudden, we're back in conversation with the
possible Bowl game. Then you come out and lay two
eggs back to back week, back to back weeks, get
b to combine eighty six to seventeen. That was the
absolute worst case scenario and the one thing that could
not happen that did happen, which is the reason why
we're talking about Mark Stoops being fired and now a
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new coaching search here at Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, you're probably right.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It's probably the last two games that got him fired after,
like you said, the sentiment, after a three game win
streak kind of changed things a little bit. Four and
eight last year, five and seven this year, not good
enough to hold on to the job.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Maybe it was time.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I mean, thirteen years out of place, you're looking to
adapt and evolve in a time when college football and
the landscape has completely changed. But really the biggest hang
up was the thirty seven to thirty eight million dollar
buyout that had to be paid within sixty days of firing.
And the report is, this was Chris Lowe that had
this report yesterday, is that Mark Stoops has come to
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the agreement that he will defer those buyout payments over
multiple years. I believe it could be up to five
or six years in which Kentucky now has to pay
Mark Stoops the buyout. And if that's the case, that
is the final nod, the tip of the cap, I
think from Mark Stoops to put Kentucky in a good position.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Shait.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
He didn't have to do that, right, I mean Stoops
came out of the post game of the Kentucky Louisville
game and said zero point zero chance he was moving on.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And why would.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I mean, if you're owed that much money, you got
to do the Shannon the dude route and say why
would I take less money for no good reason?
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
But somebody got in his ear, Shannon, I think that
sentiment change from I guess Saturday afternoon to late Sunday evening,
and I think that is what has allowed this move
to finally be made.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, we've talked about, you know, in sports, there's no
other job where you could come in and literally scream
at people in their face and it's perfectly acceptable. Also,
on the flip side of that, it's the only job
I know of where you can get a guaranteed amount
of money owed to you, but then you know, you
can take a buyout or you can take you know,
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different different routes to get paid. So Mark Stoop's doing this, Yes,
he wants his money, but agreeing to spread it out
over the last or the next couple of years or
however many years. The new version of the contract is
is kind of doing Kentucky a favor. It's kind of
going out and making this possible, because what if he's
just wanted to be stubborn and said no, I want
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it all in six it'd make it tough. What would
have happened then when we have still had the money
to pay him out.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
See I don't know that has been the question Matt's
been asking because It's easy enough for us to say
buy him out, but where do you find the money?
And but I think, you know, you have to think
that changed with those blowout losses to Vandy and Louisville.
The Louisville one which had Vince Marrow tweeting at Nick
Rausch while the game was still going on. Shannon, that
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may have been one of important crazier moments in rivalry history. Hello,
Nick Rausch, why did he say that?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Like what?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I didn't really quote tweeted the picks from the KSR website.
People see look at these experts. I mean, he was
waiting to take that victory. Lab Well, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
He talked all that trash when he was here at Kentucky,
So now we just got to get it back from
him now that he's on the other side. But yeah,
I mean, what an embarrassing loss. How disgustated that game?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I mean special teams offense, defense for them to score
zero points in that game that really mattered? Yeah, I
mean Mark Stoops was playing for a bull bit and
that team came out completely flat. Louisville set the tone
from the very beginning. Channy, do you think this is
the right move? You think it was time for a
breakup between Kentucky, and.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You know, I was one of those last people kind
of hanging on and Mark stoops going, you know, let's
think about what he did.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Let's think about the big picture.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yes, the last few years have been disappointing, but he
has done things here at Kentucky that has never happened
in my lifetime. And if we're being honest, I didn't
think it would ever be possible for Kentucky football, as
bad as they have been over the years, to be
able to get to ten.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
And he did it not once, he did it twice
here at Kentucky.
Speaker 7 (06:33):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I know you had the NCAA violation that's going to
take off some of those wins from a few years back,
one of those ten win seasons, but we all watched
the games, we all saw it happen, and we know
that he got to ten wins. So he has done
things that we never thought was possible here at Kentucky.
But now we're seeing other schools do this. We're looking
at Indiana who just finished twelve and oh, who would
have thought that Indiana football would ever have the chance
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to be twelve? And oh, so the fact that it
has happened at other places, in the fact that Mark
Stoops done it a couple of times here at Kentucky
tells me that Kentucky can get back to that. I
just don't know if they can get back to it
with Mark Stoops in the world of Nile that we
now live in. I'm not saying there's another coach that
can do it either, but it is possible.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, you can reload in a different way, right We
saw Signetti bring his entire group over from James Madison
and make Indiana into a power immediately. Vandy, I mean,
could be on the outside looking in when it comes
to the playoff this year, but look at the story
that they've had over the last two years. That goes
to show you get the right guy in, you get
the right quarterback in. I mean, this can all flip
in an instant, but it is worth remembering that this
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guy was the all time winning his coach at Kentucky.
The you know, ten win season in twenty eighteen was
the first one in forty one years. I mean, there've
only been four in the program history, and Stoops is
responsible for two of them. Citrus bul victories snapping the
streak versus Florida. I mean, there were great moments inheriting
a program that had what two wins before he took over,
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and then he's able to go on a long bowll streak.
He did a lot for this program and raise the bar,
raised the expectations, and you know that cannot be understated.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
In a way, is a victim of his own success.
I feel like we've said that a lot on this show,
but it's true because he showed you what it can
be for the longest time five and seven.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
It's about what we expect.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, we don't expect those to ever lose forty one
to nothing in New Louisville and that game on Saturday,
Billy reminded me a whole lot of Joker Phillips last
game that he coached at Kentucky when they played Vanderbilt
and they got beat very similarly. I don't know what
the score was, but it was something like forty one
to nothing or something close to that. That felt eerily
familiar when I was watching Kentucky just put up zero
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fight against Louisville. And now we move on, who's the
next guy who's going to be the coach here at Kentucky.
There's a lot of different options out there. Will Stein
seems to be the hot name right now, but I
don't know it was at the wait and see and
sort of play the waiting game.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, there's a lot of different directions we could go
with this, and we're going to spend a lot of
the show talking about, I'm sure not only today but
this week. You know, the possible candidates who Kentucky could
go out and hire. Shinnon already mentioned will Stein, a
kid that went to Louisville family as a Kentucky fan.
He grew up as a Kentucky fan and as somebody
that's coached some NFL quarterbacks over the last few years
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as the offensive coordinator at Oregon. But that's not the
only decision that needs to be made. I mean, the
whole mix question right now, how much longer is he
going to be at the athletic director. You know, I
think there were real questions about, you know, will Kentucky
go out and hire a GM during this process? Right
We've seen John Somemmerl get hired by Florida, and this
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just kind of infuriates some people because if you would
have made this move two weeks ago, maybe you could
have had a shot at him, right. I mean, maybe
there's a lot of what ifs in this situation, but possibly,
But I think that Somerl had his eyes on bigger
things than Kentucky. As much as we would love him here,
I don't think the interest was the same on his.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I don't know, man, that was the guy that wanted
to be at Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Maybe you make this move two years ago when Stoops
flirts with A and M, and that's maybe something that
you can get him in that point.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Maybe a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
If yeah, if you said a couple years ago, maybe
I could agree with you.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
But clearly he wanted to be at Florida.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Kentucky will be the sixth job opening in the SEC
this year, and we'll talk about some of those today
because I mean, the Lane Kiff and stuff is crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I mean, did you see him go after a reporter
over the weekend?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yeah, I mean there.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Were fans just throwing up the middle finger on his
way out. I saw that picture. I don't you know,
with the world of AI, I want to think that
it's true, but I don't know that it's one hundred
percent true. Of Lane Kiffin's clothes just being rolled out
into the streets. Did you see that now, his clothes, Yeah,
his jackets and his clothes just out there in the streets.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Like your ex wife throwing stuff out of the window
onto the streets.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Exactly. Yeah, it was kind of like that.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I mean, at least they didn't, you know, set it
on fire, but they did pretty much everything but that.
They had his entire coat rack just out there on
the sidewalks as they well, and that's a whole other conversation, man.
They got to figure out the timelines with these things.
I mean, it's ridiculous that a head coach is leaving
when he is when his team is competing for a
national championship's gonna be in the football playoffs. You know,
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it's just crazy that. Like I said, that's maybe another
conversation for later in the show. But they got to
figure that out because that's that's absurd that that's happening.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, you know, that's that is a conversation.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
We need to have saw the video of them booing
him at the airport as he got on a plane
to go to Baton Rouge. So a very eventful weekend,
and we want to hear from you. Eight five nine
two eight h two two eight seven. Where are you
at with Kentucky football? And who do you want them
to hire? We'll talk about some more of the names,
some more of what's going on. Kentucky volleyball had to
watch party last night. We'll tell you where they're going
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in the NCAA tournament, and much more. It's a cold day.
Apparently we've got weather coming tonight. Shannon there ready.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Well, you know, if you if you believe the meteorologists,
and I guess it depends on what meteorologists do you watch.
I saw, you know, one to three inches for Louisville.
I saw like two to four for Likexington. But that
might mean we get nothing because meteorologists are a lot,
a lot like sports commentators. We get paid to be wrong,
a lot like that's right when every one of us
pick Kentucky to beat Louisville on our predictions and they
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just got dog walked over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
So are paid to yap yep, not paid to get
things right.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
You got an opinion, you know you get it's true.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
But Weatherman, I guess you were habitually wrong. You'll get fired.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
The other thing is too.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Like weather men at least have like some form of
like technology that shows them what's supposed to happen. Sometimes
it's just wrong, you know, like the Doppler radars what
I'm talking about. We don't really have a Doppler radar
for sports takes. It'd be nice if we did. You know,
we could forecast what's gonna happen. But sometimes you think
you know and then forty one nothing happens.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Well, I've been tuning into Frank Franklin over the past week,
and he's the meteorologist or the sports take castor that
got it right when it comes to Kentucky football. But again,
we'll take some calls and talk much more about it
here on this Monday edition of The Case, our pre
show Welcome back Billy and the Dude here on a
Monday talking coaching search. There is a Mark Stoops call
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in show tonight. Shannon, not sure what we'll do about that.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Well, I don't think he's gonna be there, doubt it.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Why would he be, Yeah, I mean, if you get
your money, that'd be about it. Why would you show
up for something like that? But I think there's still
a lot of good will between Mark Stoops and the
fan base. It didn't get that ugly. Shannon, There's I
think will be a time that Kentucky fans remember Mark
Stoops fondly now the statue conversation. I don't know if
we'll ever get back to that, but I think this
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was a it was it was time. I think a
lot of parties felt this way, and after the last
two blowout losses, it has come to this. And Shannon,
I wonder what the odds you could have gotten on
DraftKings if you would have got Mark Stoops to be
fired at the end of the year before the year started.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I mean probably would.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Have been probably pretty good. I would say, actually, yeah, yeah.
It was a you know thing about the season as
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Speaker 1 (14:44):
In the official release this morning, President Eli Kapalutu said,
it is critically important that we are competitive and successful
in football. That is our goal, it is our focus.
We intend to be successful and that's something I think
you expect to hear from a president Shannon. As much
revenue as football brings in, especially in the SEC, that's
a no brainer and another reason why this move was
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necessary in a changing landscape. But Mitch Barnhart also released
his own statement, and at the end of one of
his paragraphs, he said, Shannon, we have begun a national
search to identify the next leader of Kentucky football, someone
with proven coaching results and a vision for success for Kentucky.
Now that may be just words, but Shannon, when we
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look at the primary candidates for Kentucky football's head coaching spot,
Will Stein is somebody that is getting a lot of play.
He has not been a head coach yet. He is
the offensive coordinator at Oregon. Brian Hartline is another one,
believe he's the receivers coach at Ohio State, one of
the best recruiters in the country, but also somebody that
doesn't have head coaching experience. What's do you lean onto
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a young, up and coming, you know, up modern offensive
guy like Will Stein, or maybe do you look somewhere
else with the retread and somebody with experience.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
What are you leaning towards right now?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
You know, if I were Alabama, I'd want somebody who's
a proving guy. If I'm Kentucky, I'm going after the
young guy who is hungry, who is innovative, who he
runs an exciting offense. That's the That's the kind of
guy I'm going with. Because of Kentucky football on the
sec what else do you have to lose? Throw it
all out there and just see what happens. So I
would like to see somebody that's young, has a modern offense,
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you know, likes to throw the ball around a lot,
very creative type of play caller. That type of guy
is the type of guy would like to see. I
also saw that Dan Mullen's name was being thrown around
out there. No, that's a guy that's you know, been
a head coach for several years, and you know it's
pretty good. But I don't know if that's the guy
that you want. But you read that sentence proven coach?
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You know, do you do you look at a guy
like Willstein and say, okay, is he really proven anything?
Speaker 4 (16:47):
He hasn't really been. He hasn't been a head coach,
right right?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
You know, despite being offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at
Oregon coaching guys like Dylan Gabriel and Bo Nix over
the last couple of years. Are you going to hire
somebody that doesn't have coaching experience? I think what you
said makes a lot of sense, Shannon. I mean, at
Kentucky you've got to swing for the fences.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
But do you think you just did with Mark Stoops?
You just hired a guy and it worked out for
thirteen years. A proven coach, right, No, I'm just saying
a guy who has never been a head coach. Okay, Okay,
that's what I'm driving towards.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Well.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Like again, like you said, I think that the chance
of you swinging for the fences and hitting on a
young and coming offensive coordinator, I think you've got a
higher ceiling at that point than maybe a retread. Dan
Mullen's an interesting name, somebody that really couldn't cut it
for Florida's fan base when it comes to high school recruiting.
That's less important now in a transfer portal era. Brian
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Kelly is another am Shannon avoid if your ass can
be like, stay away from Brian Kelly for some of
the things that we've heard from behind the scenes with him.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
If that would be the culture fit or somebody that
Mitch Barnhart would hire. You know that it's going to
have to be a certain type of person. But all
we want to hear from you eight five nine two
eight h two two eight seven say what were you
gonna say there?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Didn't mean to step on you there now.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
But again I keep pointing back towards like a Vanderbilt
with Clark Lee, who just hired a guy who had
never been a head coach and is coming in and doing,
you know, things that we never thought we'd see for
Vanderbilt football. If you can do it at Vanderbilt, who
was you know, if there was one team lower the
Kentucky on the totalm PO.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
For a long time, it was Vanderbilt.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
And to see them to be able to go ten
and two, you know, just completely dominate at Tennessee over
the weekend with the guy who had never been a
head coach, I think you got to find somebody like
you got to find their Clark Lee.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, but you also you can't just rely on this
one person to completely change the culture of your football program.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I mentioned a GM hiring in the first segment. I
think that'd being critically important if you're going to team
up with somebody that hasn't done a head coaching job before.
So there's a lot of important decisions that are going
to be made over this next week or two. You know,
Kentucky arriving late to the party a little bit firing
Mark Stoop's late Sunday night, while many other coaches have
been moved on one when you look at John Summer,
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Al Lane kiff In, some of those bigger names. But
Kentucky is now in the mix. And now we're in
coaching search modesan and these are always fun weeks, right,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I wonder how long you think this coaching search is
going to go on. I don't think it'll go on weeks.
I think there's going to be maybe within one week.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You think by the end of the week, at the
end of this week, they'll be able to decision, I
would say, And again I'm not basing this off anything.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I just know how these things usually are quick. You know,
you got your short list at all times ready to go.
You go after those guys. You don't really waste any
time because with the coaching carousel, if you, you know, snooze,
you lose, You waste time. Somebody else is going to
pick up the guy who's number one on your list,
whoever that might be. For Mitch Barnhart. So I think
that you know, by this time next week, I think
we have a new coach.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Is Kentucky an attractive job? I mean, Cutter Bowley is
somebody that wants to be at Kentucky I.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Think that it is. I think that it is.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
You're still in the SEC, the best conference in college football,
so I think any job in the SEC is going
to be attractive. And I know a name that has
not come up at all. But if you said to me, like,
who would you want? And I know a lot of
people are going to disagree with me on this, but
a guy who has been proven uh and it was
going here and has said that he would love to
coach in the SEC and has even mentioned Kentucky Chuck
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Jon Gruden. Man, I am telling you, I think it
would be awesome to have him here. Nobody else is
talking about it. It's probably not going to happen, but
if it did, it would be I think amazing.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Not many bigger John Gruden fans than me as a
Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan as a child, But I do
know he comes with some baggage.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Is that a higher Mitch Barnhardt would want to make.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
But Mitch's on his way out.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
So who's making this high?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I don't know that's a good question. Who is making
this higher?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Is it a board of trustees that does this if
Mitch is on his way out? Is it fair for
the next AD to have to work with a coach
who was just hired by the previous AD who was
on his way out the door.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
It's a unique situation.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, And if that's somebody is that next AD is
already in the building. If somebody like Mark Hill is
sobody that they're targeting for that position, how much say
does he have in this decision making process. It's fascinating
and we will learn much more about it as the
week goes on, and we'll hear from you. Let's take
our first call before we take our first or another
break here, Shannon, who we got.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
To Let's go to Tim. What's up? Tim?
Speaker 9 (21:15):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Tim, what's up?
Speaker 8 (21:18):
Hey?
Speaker 6 (21:18):
Guys, thanks for taking my call. Tried to get into
the postgame show after the Louisville game. That was like impossible,
but listen, I agree with the move. Obviously Mark Steuss
had to go. But it's kind of bittersweet because Mark
Steuss was so good and it wasn't like a conventional
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way like that running game when Benny Snell and Jojo
Kemp we were just pounding people. And when he got
away from that and tried to he started talking about, oh,
we got to have balance and do this pro style.
It was the turning point for me. Like, I don't
think they had a good season after that. I mean
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with Will Lavis that one season. But you know another
thing I think was the turning point was losing the
offensive line coach VLAs.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Devin, I just lost this. Sorry, yeah we're up against
the break anyway.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Sorry Tim, we lost you.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
But yeah, I mean looking for an identity after John
Schlarman was tough and Kentucky will have to pick up
the pieces and move forward without stoops. Now, a lot
of good memories that will reminds us about Coming up
next here on the KSR pre Show, Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Billy and the Dude.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
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six five six. Some say hell no, some say would
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make Kentucky immediately relevant. One person says, if you're doing
the entertainment district, John Gruden would be the perfect hire
for that position. Shannon, I regardless if you think it's
a good idea, and I just don't think the man
making the decision would hire somebody like that.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Right, Yeah, I mean that's that's the thing we could
talk about all sorts of names, but unless it's a
realistic hire, then it's probably a move point. I just
brought that up because I said I didn't say that too.
I thought that they would hire. I just said, like,
if you'd said to me, who can you hire? He
would definitely be somebody I would give a call. That's
all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Hasn't done anything in college football, but no doubt knows
his football. One other name is Chip Kelly, who was
just fired as offensive coordinator for the Raider Shannon. That
would be an odd hire as well, but if you're
looking for a modern offense, he is somebody that brings that.
We'll have an entire week to break down who's who
and who's going to be up next? But Shannon, tell
me who's next on the phone, all right, Joe's up
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next to Hey, Joe, Hey Joe.
Speaker 10 (24:28):
Thank you, gentlemen, quickly, No doubt about it. Summerw a
year ago, I think was a real possibility, and we
just couldn't pull the plug. Last year. We should have,
but we did not do it. Thank you, mister Barnhart. Secondly,
I'm mister Barnhart. I'm looking for a new at LEG
director and Shan, I'm looking for somebody who might be
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a little more how can a little more liberal at
leg director. I'm looking for somebody's can help help the
cause more than when mister Barnhart did. He will not
have any say in this coaching decision. If he does,
I'm jumping off the talent hatch, you bridge, and I'm
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heading down south right now. If he has any any
say in this coaching decision, y'all have a great day,
good bye.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Thanks for the call, Joe.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Well, if you're gonna be disappointed, Joe, he's gonna have
a hand in the decision making. I mean, this is
somebody that's legacy is really important to him. Leaving Kentucky
in a better place than when he found it is
important to him. If you don't think he's going to
have a say in this coaching search yet, I mean
you might be taking crazy pills.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 4 (25:35):
No, No, you're not.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
And we'll, you know, have a conversation if Mitch Barnhart
decides to move on. We've already heard that he's got
one foot out the door anyway, so we'll we'll have
that conversation another day. But yeah, I think he's definitely
gonna have his hand in who the next head.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Coach is here.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
But just think I mean Stoops had saved his job.
I mean he beat a bad Auburn team, a bad
Florida team. One of those two had already fired their
coach by the time that the Canuck you played him.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
If you're looking for one like silver lining out of
this whole thing, Losing the way they did to Vanderbilt
and Louisville made it an easy decision.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
It's just like Cali Perry when he was having some
seasons that weren't up to Kentucky's standards. Losing to Saint
Peter's and then losing to Oakland there left no room
for doubt. If so, what I'm saying is, if those
if that Vanderbilt and Louisville game, those last two games
were competitive, I think there is a possibility that he
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could have finished five and seven and kept his job
and the fan base would have still been in an
uproar about him still being the head coach here. But
because they lost the way they did, it made it
a clear cut easy decision to move on.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, I'm with you, But the col thing man, they
had already decided to bring him back, like remember that
BB in shows. Yeah, yeah, and you know like, oh,
he's committed, but it was a cow that went there.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Needed to be a change when you lose to Oakland.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Correct, But yet Mitch did not see that. But he
didn't did not want to pay the buyout. So he's
gotten bailed out twice at this point, if you think
about it, won by Cal going to Arkansas and getting
out of the buyout, and two stoops graciously deciding if
this is true, to defer the buyout money over a
year's period instead of the sixty days that was originally in.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
The coming Let I'm off the hook.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
That's a bigger discussion too, you know, signing these lucrative
contract deals with these coaches.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I don't blame the coaches. Billy.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
If you tell me you're gonna pay me thirty eight
million dollars, I want my thirty eight million dollars. Yeah,
then that's on you for offering that to me. It's
not on me for signing the contract. I mean, if
I offered you thirty eight million, you're gonna take it.
You're gonna want your money.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I am.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
But let's say you're Lane Kiffin and I'm Lsu. I'm
offering you the head coaching job, but yet you've still
got the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, that's a completely different conversation. But yeah, if I'm
Lane Kiffin, you and it's easy for me to say
because I don't have money in front of me, but
I feel like you owe your team of those players
to stay until the end of the season.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I'm offering you a hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I mean, yeah, I know, right, I know, but I
would say, hey, Lsu, wait a few weeks and if
you really want me, I'll still be there. I'll tell
you what. I'll take the job, but let me just
get through the season first. And that's why I was
saying earlier. They've got it. And I know there's you know,
school semesters that getting away with the academic calendars whatever.
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Let's be real, nobody's caring about the academic calendars. But
they got to figure this out though, to where you
don't have a situation, to where you have a coach
who has a team in the football playoffs and then
just up and leaves.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
And by the way, he said that he would stay.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
He said that he would stay, but ole Miss didn't
want any part of that, you think they're ad wanted
them to stick around with knowing that he's already going
to LSU. It's just now it's an awkward situation. It's
bad for the game. They need to figure this out
where coaches aren't leaving who have their team in the
football playoffs and they're going off and leaving and now
they got an interim coach in the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Right, and forget the academic calendar, I mean, student athletes
has been a joke for a decade. But at the
same time, it's the transfer port window that's got these coaches,
you know, having to already recruit that they should be
getting stick for the playoffs that jus two but one
hundred million dollars.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
I mean, yeah, I know, but and quickly.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
We'll get back to the calls, you know, in today's
college sports. I just don't see why he wouldn't stay
at Ole Miss, like I get ten twenty years ago.
LSU's a better job. You know, we win here. The
recruiting is just different. But now it's just your checkbook.
And who tells Lane Kiffen Noah in Oxford?
Speaker 9 (29:30):
Right?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I mean that guy has got it made.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
So I just I would not have made that decision
easy for me to say, but I would would have
wanted to play in the playoff with Ole Miss best
season ever, their first eleven win season ever, right, and
he's already gone. So I just I feel bad for
those kids. Man, You work that hard for a goal
that you've that you've you've achieved, and then your coach
leaves like that here all the time.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
These coaches, they've got that competitive nature. You know, their
dream is to win the championship. No, their dream is
to make a hundred million dollars. That's their dream, okay,
And I can't say that I really can blame them
for that. You want to make as much money as possible.
It's life changing money. But you know, some of these guys,
when you get up to fifty million, sixty million, what's
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another twenty million.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
You already got everything you want?
Speaker 8 (30:17):
Right?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Is that the difference in a bigger house, nicer car.
Did we think this guy was going to turn over
a new leaf too? I mean, the guy that you
know left Tennessee after one year in the middle of
the night, and you know, did a whole documentary about him,
how he's a changed man.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
And you know, we got much of the same.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Money is always going to be the the motivation is
always going to be money, right, That's right.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
And John summerl is going to make a six year,
forty four million dollar contract at Florida. That's just a
little over seven million a year.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Bill and I should have been head coaches. Man, what
are we doing with this radio thing?
Speaker 4 (30:50):
You and I should just like learn football.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
You get up early enough anyway, Man, you could have
been in the film.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Laps around the you know, the field and the bleacher.
I'd be up at four o'clock. Wells, I don't have
to be the one doing the running. I could blow
a whistle.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, but for no money, for like the first ten
years of your career, right, I mean gas these offensive
coordinator assistance.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Wow, you're you're right about that.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
We could have done that anywhere.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Dennis is next? What's up? Dennis?
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Well, I'm glad somebody finally mentioned John Gruden.
Speaker 8 (31:27):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
I mean, could you imagine, you know, going in the
next season and the ANSWEC that all the talks will
be about blank kid, the Kentucky US go out and
get a John Gruden. I mean that would be big news.
Offslo so telling about bringing protected to the forefront.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
I mean so in my opinion, the three names that
should be on the list is everybody is Will Stein,
Brian Hartline and John Gruden. I think at least got
to make a phone call John Druden. Any interest there, Yeah, interviewing, that's.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Just paying Yeah mine too, But I don't think it's
going to happen. But that would be definitely one of
the guys I would at least make a phone call
to and see how much interest there is there.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
I appreciate the call, Denis, thank.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
You, Thank you, Dennis. And I think John would still
relate with the kids today. They remember him on Monday
Night football. They know that he is a football savant.
So I don't think recruiting would be an issue.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
X's and o certainly wouldn't be an issue.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
X's and o's wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I mean, there is a conversation you would immediately become relevant.
But I just again, I don't see that hire being
made now. The guy that's the front ONNT runner, Will Stein,
is a former Louisville quarterback, and it kind of tears
Louisville fans up a little bit that this guy might
be hired. And that's how you know it might be
a good hire, right, Shannon? I mean, well, somebody that
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was a Cats fan is his dad played at the
University of Kentucky, So there is the allegiance there. But
I think it's a little telling that Louisville fans don't
want Kentucky to hire that guy.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Is it because that he went to Lobell and they
don't want a Lobell guy over there, like we don't
want Vince Merrill over at Louisville.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Or I think they know he's going to be successful.
I think they do know that, Like I think his
likability meter is off the charts.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I don't know that anybody's going to be successful. I
don't know that. We don't know anything. I don't know, Like, yeah,
you could take a chance on will Stein and I'd
be okay with that, But I don't know that he's
going to be successful here. You know, Lobal fans thought
Kenny Paine was going to be successful there.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
How'd that work out?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
You know, again talking about completely different conversations, that's a
completely different conversation.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
It's still though, a coaching hire, and you hire a
guy who you think is going to be the guy
who's going to work out for you and then it
So you got to take a chance on somebody, though,
I mean, somebody's gonna be the next head coach.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Well, what's important is that the relationships that you have
with people in the college football world, and that's where
somebody like Brian Hartline comes in as a very attractive option.
Somebody that's a very good recruiter, somebody that's been promoted
to offensive coordinator at o High State multiple times by
Ryan Day. So I mean, that's another big option. But
you've got to You've got to cast a wide net.
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I would hate for Mitch to interview two people for
this job. I mean, this is the first time you've
hired for Kentucky football in thirteen years.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
You need to look at all your options.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, I don't think he's going to hire two, But
I also don't want to hire fifteen or you know,
interview excuse me, yes, interview fifteen people too. You need
to have a conciss list of I would say four
to six names, maybe maybe five, you know, maybe five
to seven something like that.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
But you don't want to have too big of a list.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
But it needs to be done this week, Like you're
already behind the eight ball, waiting until today to make
it official. I think they need to have the higher
raft up by Friday, but yep, we'll see how the
process plays out. We need to take a break that
eight five nine two eight h two two eight seven.
We'll finish up some of these calls and hand it
off to KSR on the other side of this break.
It is the kso appreciate welcome back. Final segment Billy
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and the Dude. It's the k our pre Show here
on Monday, December first. Thank god November's over crossover seasons over,
at least with the football season coming to an end.
We still have a nine to thirty pm basketball game tomorrow,
but we'll get through it versus North Carolina. I do
want to say congratulations to the UK volleyball team who
earned the number two overall seed in the NCAA tournament.
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They had to watch party last night. They'll be hosting
a regional in Lexington and their first game will be
Thursday at seven pm versus Wafford on ESPN Plus. All
session tickets go on sale today at ten am. Single
session tickets will be available tomorrow and if they win,
they'll play the winner of UCLA and Georgia Tech. So
good luck to Craig Skinner and the UK volleyball team.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Maybe talking about a national championship in a few weeks, Billy,
I'm just a championship.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Or bust, Shannon. That's where we're at right now.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
I think I have high hopes they can make that happen.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I mean, especially if Nebraska where to get upset somewhere
along the way, Like there's nobody that I mean even Nebraska.
I mean you think about that game, the first game
of the year. They almost won that game. They had
them down two sets to nothing.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Right Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
And what they did in that SEC championship game that
they could play against anybody, I mean, battled off three
straight match points for them to come back and win.
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Speaker 3 (37:06):
All right, Shannon, who's up next on the phone?
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Free Bird? Hey, free Bird?
Speaker 3 (37:09):
What's up? Free Bird?
Speaker 8 (37:11):
Well, we're in another chaotic time. I have a question
for you. I know the Lane Kiffin scenario is crazy,
but has anything mentioned about John Sumrow. He's already been
hired and he's playing for a championship game with Tulane,
So I wonder if he's gonna stay in coach or
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the universe is gonna let him stay and coach, possibly
to win a championship, because I know, well, I don't know,
but it seems they would let, like you said, Shannon Lane,
coach his boys because they got a shot at winning
a national championship.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
Right, yeah, outside, I.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Guess it depends on the athletic director, but at all Miss,
they had no desire to keep laying around.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
He will remain with Twu Lane for the remainder of
the season. According to Pete Family.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I think that's just a case by case situation. Billy.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
You know, Ole Miss didn't want it. Their AD didn't
want that to be the situation for them. I mean,
if you were the ad, Billy, what would you do.
You have a chance at Ole Miss to win a
national championship. Your coach has already said he's moving on
after the season. Do you let them coach? If you're
the ad at ole Miss?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, probably, But I'm not the AD. I don't have
bitter feelings about somebody leaving me for more money, right,
I mean, it could be a personal decision there. But look,
I mean this is Ole miss first playoff berth It's
their best season of all time. I get that there's
a window in which this next coaching staff needs to
start getting transfer portal players. You could not have a
team next year if you go through with this decision.
(38:42):
But the whole season is about making it to this point,
like this is the end goal. So to like not
give these kids a chance by not letting their coach
continue to coach, I just think does a disservice to them,
even though you're trying to protect the roster for next year.
So it is I don't know. I do like that
John so imre All is staying on to coach. So
I guess that is what the decision I would make there.
(39:03):
So anything else free Bird.
Speaker 8 (39:06):
Yeah, wait to go, Billy, I like can't added to you.
I just NCAA has got to get something about this,
and Matt'll know more about it than everybody else, it
seems like. But they got to change these timelines not
to do this crap right until the seas.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah, that's right. That's a big yep thanks to the
coffree Bird. But yeah, they got to fix that. As
we said earlier, the timeline just it's not good for
the game when you got coaches leaving in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, you gotta adjust with the times. And that was
something Mitch was behind, and now that college football is
behind and needs to change that as a whole.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Let's take another call Lance in Atlanta.
Speaker 9 (39:44):
What's up, Lance, Hey, good morning guys. I got a
name for you, a little different. Bob Chesney, aged forty eight,
James Madison coach. He followed Signetti to James Madison. He's
got seventy two percent winning percentage overall as a head coach.
His in conference winning over the past eight years, He's
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forty wins and four losses for a ninety one percent
in conference winning percentage. He's number ten nationally in scoring
at thirty seven point eight courts a game. He's cockey,
he's brash. SEC would not intimidate him. They should put
his name on the list.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
All right, Lance, thank you for the Comanky got a
name that I'm familiar with. But you look at his numbers.
They I mean there's a little bit different coaching that
James Madison versus the SEC.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
I will say that.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
But again, if you want to take a shot on
a guy who's younger, innovative, you know, creative with the offense,
you know, entertaining to watch their team, then maybe he's
a guy, you.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
At least pick up the phone and give a call to.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Twenty and five in two seasons at James Madison. I
think he is the top interest for UCLA. So we'll
have to see how that plays out. I think we
can take one more call thirty seconds, j George, go ahead, George,
gotta be quick.
Speaker 7 (40:59):
Yeah, listen, John Gruden names really interesting. I think we
all ought to call at North Carolina and ask them
how the Bill Belichick thing is gone. Get serious, people,
You gotta be got to hire somebody that's coached football
in the last ten years. And the last thing I'll
say is, as long as Mitch Barnhardt's in this process,
Kentucky is screwed. I'll see you guys.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
I mean that is a sentiment people have.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I don't agree with him on the John Gruden Bill
Belichick comparison.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Well, you know, as long as Gruden done blaring his
twenty four year old girlfriend along with him and make
her charge of media.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
I think that's a part of Bill Belichick's problem. My god,
the guy's so distracted going to cheerleading competitions.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
He's not even worried about his team.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
How can he pay attention.
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Speaker 1 (41:49):
That's gonna do it for us, for Shannon the Dude
on Billy Rolis. This has been the casurpre Show. Thank
you for listening. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
Welcome everyone to another edition of the KSR pre Show.
Today is Monday, December first. I'm Billy Rutledge along with
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at today here on the seventh floor in Lexington. Shannon
the Dude is back in Louisville. Today is Cyber Monday.
We're coming off the Thanksgiving holiday weekend and plenty of
UK sports to talk about today. Good morning, dude, it's
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good to see it. Good to be back with you.
How was your long weekend?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It was great man, good to get away for a
few days. But here we are and a lot happened
over the weekend. You mentioned it being Cyber Monday. Do
they have any good deals on football coaches online for
Cyber Monday? Can you get a good deal if we
shop around and find the right website.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Well, Kentucky definitely needs one kind of late to the
party when it comes to the coach in carousel.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
But it is official.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
As of about twenty thirty minutes ago, Mitch Barnhardt, Kentucky
President Eli Capoluto, released a statement saying Mark Stoops would
be fired from the University of Kentucky as head football
coach after thirteen seasons, an overall seventy two and eighty record,
A guy that brought two ten win seasons to the program,
eight straight bowl games, the all time winning his coach,
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passing Bear Bryant. A lot of great things we could
talk about with Mark Stoops, but this all came about
because of the beatdown Kentucky got on Saturday, forty one
to zero. The Cats lose to Louisville. You know, I
don't want to dwell that much on the game for
what reason, because they you know, Kentucky's already lost and
moved forward. But Shannon, I think there was a sentiment
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that Mark Stoops would be the football coach another year
before that game started. You think there's any truth to
that beatdown was so bad that it got Mark Stoops
fired absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I think there's a very good chance that if you're
Mark Stoops, you can keep your job going five and seven.
But what you can't do is lose to your biggest
rival forty one to nothing, show absolutely no fight whatsoever.
And I think the week before that when you got
beat forty five to seventeen evance. So you combine those
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two scores, and after a three game win streak, when
Kentucky is two and five, we had already written off
Mark Stoops.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Then he wins three straight.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
All of a sudden, we're back in conversation with the
possible Bowl game. Then you come out and lay two
eggs back to back week, back to back weeks, get
b to combine eighty six to seventeen. That was the
absolute worst case scenario and the one thing that could
not happen that did happen, which is the reason why
we're talking about Mark Stoops being fired and now a
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new coaching search here at Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, you're probably right.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It's probably the last two games that got him fired after,
like you said, the sentiment, after a three game win
streak kind of changed things a little bit. Four and
eight last year, five and seven this year, not good
enough to hold on to the job.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Maybe it was time.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I mean, thirteen years out of place, you're looking to
adapt and evolve in a time when college football and
the landscape has completely changed. But really the biggest hang
up was the thirty seven to thirty eight million dollar
buyout that had to be paid within sixty days of firing.
And the report is, this was Chris Lowe that had
this report yesterday, is that Mark Stoops has come to
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the agreement that he will defer those buyout payments over
multiple years. I believe it could be up to five
or six years in which Kentucky now has to pay
Mark Stoops the buyout. And if that's the case, that
is the final nod, the tip of the cap, I
think from Mark Stoops to put Kentucky in a good position.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Shait.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
He didn't have to do that, right, I mean Stoops
came out of the post game of the Kentucky Louisville
game and said zero point zero chance he was moving on.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And why would.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I mean, if you're owed that much money, you got
to do the Shannon the dude route and say why
would I take less money for no good reason?
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
But somebody got in his ear, Shannon, I think that
sentiment change from I guess Saturday afternoon to late Sunday evening,
and I think that is what has allowed this move
to finally be made.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, we've talked about, you know, in sports, there's no
other job where you could come in and literally scream
at people in their face and it's perfectly acceptable. Also,
on the flip side of that, it's the only job
I know of where you can get a guaranteed amount
of money owed to you, but then you know, you
can take a buyout or you can take you know,
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different different routes to get paid. So Mark Stoop's doing this, Yes,
he wants his money, but agreeing to spread it out
over the last or the next couple of years or
however many years. The new version of the contract is
is kind of doing Kentucky a favor. It's kind of
going out and making this possible, because what if he's
just wanted to be stubborn and said no, I want
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it all in six it'd make it tough. What would
have happened then when we have still had the money
to pay him out.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
See I don't know that has been the question Matt's
been asking because It's easy enough for us to say
buy him out, but where do you find the money?
And but I think, you know, you have to think
that changed with those blowout losses to Vandy and Louisville.
The Louisville one which had Vince Marrow tweeting at Nick
Rausch while the game was still going on. Shannon, that
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may have been one of important crazier moments in rivalry history. Hello,
Nick Rausch, why did he say that?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Like what?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I didn't really quote tweeted the picks from the KSR website.
People see look at these experts. I mean, he was
waiting to take that victory. Lab Well, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
He talked all that trash when he was here at Kentucky,
So now we just got to get it back from
him now that he's on the other side. But yeah,
I mean, what an embarrassing loss. How disgustated that game?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I mean special teams offense, defense for them to score
zero points in that game that really mattered? Yeah, I
mean Mark Stoops was playing for a bull bit and
that team came out completely flat. Louisville set the tone
from the very beginning. Channy, do you think this is
the right move? You think it was time for a
breakup between Kentucky, and.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You know, I was one of those last people kind
of hanging on and Mark stoops going, you know, let's
think about what he did.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Let's think about the big picture.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yes, the last few years have been disappointing, but he
has done things here at Kentucky that has never happened
in my lifetime. And if we're being honest, I didn't
think it would ever be possible for Kentucky football, as
bad as they have been over the years, to be
able to get to ten.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
And he did it not once, he did it twice
here at Kentucky.
Speaker 7 (06:33):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I know you had the NCAA violation that's going to
take off some of those wins from a few years back,
one of those ten win seasons, but we all watched
the games, we all saw it happen, and we know
that he got to ten wins. So he has done
things that we never thought was possible here at Kentucky.
But now we're seeing other schools do this. We're looking
at Indiana who just finished twelve and oh, who would
have thought that Indiana football would ever have the chance
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to be twelve? And oh, so the fact that it
has happened at other places, in the fact that Mark
Stoops done it a couple of times here at Kentucky
tells me that Kentucky can get back to that. I
just don't know if they can get back to it
with Mark Stoops in the world of Nile that we
now live in. I'm not saying there's another coach that
can do it either, but it is possible.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, you can reload in a different way, right We
saw Signetti bring his entire group over from James Madison
and make Indiana into a power immediately. Vandy, I mean,
could be on the outside looking in when it comes
to the playoff this year, but look at the story
that they've had over the last two years. That goes
to show you get the right guy in, you get
the right quarterback in. I mean, this can all flip
in an instant, but it is worth remembering that this
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guy was the all time winning his coach at Kentucky.
The you know, ten win season in twenty eighteen was
the first one in forty one years. I mean, there've
only been four in the program history, and Stoops is
responsible for two of them. Citrus bul victories snapping the
streak versus Florida. I mean, there were great moments inheriting
a program that had what two wins before he took over,
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and then he's able to go on a long bowll streak.
He did a lot for this program and raise the bar,
raised the expectations, and you know that cannot be understated.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
In a way, is a victim of his own success.
I feel like we've said that a lot on this show,
but it's true because he showed you what it can
be for the longest time five and seven.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
It's about what we expect.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, we don't expect those to ever lose forty one
to nothing in New Louisville and that game on Saturday,
Billy reminded me a whole lot of Joker Phillips last
game that he coached at Kentucky when they played Vanderbilt
and they got beat very similarly. I don't know what
the score was, but it was something like forty one
to nothing or something close to that. That felt eerily
familiar when I was watching Kentucky just put up zero
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fight against Louisville. And now we move on, who's the
next guy who's going to be the coach here at Kentucky.
There's a lot of different options out there. Will Stein
seems to be the hot name right now, but I
don't know it was at the wait and see and
sort of play the waiting game.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, there's a lot of different directions we could go
with this, and we're going to spend a lot of
the show talking about, I'm sure not only today but
this week. You know, the possible candidates who Kentucky could
go out and hire. Shinnon already mentioned will Stein, a
kid that went to Louisville family as a Kentucky fan.
He grew up as a Kentucky fan and as somebody
that's coached some NFL quarterbacks over the last few years
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as the offensive coordinator at Oregon. But that's not the
only decision that needs to be made. I mean, the
whole mix question right now, how much longer is he
going to be at the athletic director. You know, I
think there were real questions about, you know, will Kentucky
go out and hire a GM during this process? Right
We've seen John Somemmerl get hired by Florida, and this
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just kind of infuriates some people because if you would
have made this move two weeks ago, maybe you could
have had a shot at him, right. I mean, maybe
there's a lot of what ifs in this situation, but possibly,
But I think that Somerl had his eyes on bigger
things than Kentucky. As much as we would love him here,
I don't think the interest was the same on his.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I don't know, man, that was the guy that wanted
to be at Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Maybe you make this move two years ago when Stoops
flirts with A and M, and that's maybe something that
you can get him in that point.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Maybe a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
If yeah, if you said a couple years ago, maybe
I could agree with you.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
But clearly he wanted to be at Florida.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Kentucky will be the sixth job opening in the SEC
this year, and we'll talk about some of those today
because I mean, the Lane Kiff and stuff is crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I mean, did you see him go after a reporter
over the weekend?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yeah, I mean there.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Were fans just throwing up the middle finger on his
way out. I saw that picture. I don't you know,
with the world of AI, I want to think that
it's true, but I don't know that it's one hundred
percent true. Of Lane Kiffin's clothes just being rolled out
into the streets. Did you see that now, his clothes, Yeah,
his jackets and his clothes just out there in the streets.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Like your ex wife throwing stuff out of the window
onto the streets.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Exactly. Yeah, it was kind of like that.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I mean, at least they didn't, you know, set it
on fire, but they did pretty much everything but that.
They had his entire coat rack just out there on
the sidewalks as they well, and that's a whole other conversation, man.
They got to figure out the timelines with these things.
I mean, it's ridiculous that a head coach is leaving
when he is when his team is competing for a
national championship's gonna be in the football playoffs. You know,
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it's just crazy that. Like I said, that's maybe another
conversation for later in the show. But they got to
figure that out because that's that's absurd that that's happening.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, you know, that's that is a conversation.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
We need to have saw the video of them booing
him at the airport as he got on a plane
to go to Baton Rouge. So a very eventful weekend,
and we want to hear from you. Eight five nine
two eight h two two eight seven. Where are you
at with Kentucky football? And who do you want them
to hire? We'll talk about some more of the names,
some more of what's going on. Kentucky volleyball had to
watch party last night. We'll tell you where they're going
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in the NCAA tournament, and much more. It's a cold day.
Apparently we've got weather coming tonight. Shannon there ready.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Well, you know, if you if you believe the meteorologists,
and I guess it depends on what meteorologists do you watch.
I saw, you know, one to three inches for Louisville.
I saw like two to four for Likexington. But that
might mean we get nothing because meteorologists are a lot,
a lot like sports commentators. We get paid to be wrong,
a lot like that's right when every one of us
pick Kentucky to beat Louisville on our predictions and they
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just got dog walked over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
So are paid to yap yep, not paid to get
things right.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
You got an opinion, you know you get it's true.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
But Weatherman, I guess you were habitually wrong. You'll get fired.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
The other thing is too.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Like weather men at least have like some form of
like technology that shows them what's supposed to happen. Sometimes
it's just wrong, you know, like the Doppler radars what
I'm talking about. We don't really have a Doppler radar
for sports takes. It'd be nice if we did. You know,
we could forecast what's gonna happen. But sometimes you think
you know and then forty one nothing happens.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Well, I've been tuning into Frank Franklin over the past week,
and he's the meteorologist or the sports take castor that
got it right when it comes to Kentucky football. But again,
we'll take some calls and talk much more about it
here on this Monday edition of The Case, our pre
show Welcome back Billy and the Dude here on a
Monday talking coaching search. There is a Mark Stoops call
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in show tonight. Shannon, not sure what we'll do about that.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Well, I don't think he's gonna be there, doubt it.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Why would he be, Yeah, I mean, if you get
your money, that'd be about it. Why would you show
up for something like that? But I think there's still
a lot of good will between Mark Stoops and the
fan base. It didn't get that ugly. Shannon, There's I
think will be a time that Kentucky fans remember Mark
Stoops fondly now the statue conversation. I don't know if
we'll ever get back to that, but I think this
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was a it was it was time. I think a
lot of parties felt this way, and after the last
two blowout losses, it has come to this. And Shannon,
I wonder what the odds you could have gotten on
DraftKings if you would have got Mark Stoops to be
fired at the end of the year before the year started.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I mean probably would.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Have been probably pretty good. I would say, actually, yeah, yeah.
It was a you know thing about the season as
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Speaker 1 (14:44):
In the official release this morning, President Eli Kapalutu said,
it is critically important that we are competitive and successful
in football. That is our goal, it is our focus.
We intend to be successful and that's something I think
you expect to hear from a president Shannon. As much
revenue as football brings in, especially in the SEC, that's
a no brainer and another reason why this move was
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necessary in a changing landscape. But Mitch Barnhart also released
his own statement, and at the end of one of
his paragraphs, he said, Shannon, we have begun a national
search to identify the next leader of Kentucky football, someone
with proven coaching results and a vision for success for Kentucky.
Now that may be just words, but Shannon, when we
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look at the primary candidates for Kentucky football's head coaching spot,
Will Stein is somebody that is getting a lot of play.
He has not been a head coach yet. He is
the offensive coordinator at Oregon. Brian Hartline is another one,
believe he's the receivers coach at Ohio State, one of
the best recruiters in the country, but also somebody that
doesn't have head coaching experience. What's do you lean onto
(15:49):
a young, up and coming, you know, up modern offensive
guy like Will Stein, or maybe do you look somewhere
else with the retread and somebody with experience.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
What are you leaning towards right now?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
You know, if I were Alabama, I'd want somebody who's
a proving guy. If I'm Kentucky, I'm going after the
young guy who is hungry, who is innovative, who he
runs an exciting offense. That's the That's the kind of
guy I'm going with. Because of Kentucky football on the
sec what else do you have to lose? Throw it
all out there and just see what happens. So I
would like to see somebody that's young, has a modern offense,
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you know, likes to throw the ball around a lot,
very creative type of play caller. That type of guy
is the type of guy would like to see. I
also saw that Dan Mullen's name was being thrown around
out there. No, that's a guy that's you know, been
a head coach for several years, and you know it's
pretty good. But I don't know if that's the guy
that you want. But you read that sentence proven coach?
(16:42):
You know, do you do you look at a guy
like Willstein and say, okay, is he really proven anything?
Speaker 4 (16:47):
He hasn't really been. He hasn't been a head coach,
right right?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
You know, despite being offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at
Oregon coaching guys like Dylan Gabriel and Bo Nix over
the last couple of years. Are you going to hire
somebody that doesn't have coaching experience? I think what you
said makes a lot of sense, Shannon. I mean, at
Kentucky you've got to swing for the fences.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
But do you think you just did with Mark Stoops?
You just hired a guy and it worked out for
thirteen years. A proven coach, right, No, I'm just saying
a guy who has never been a head coach. Okay, Okay,
that's what I'm driving towards.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Well.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Like again, like you said, I think that the chance
of you swinging for the fences and hitting on a
young and coming offensive coordinator, I think you've got a
higher ceiling at that point than maybe a retread. Dan
Mullen's an interesting name, somebody that really couldn't cut it
for Florida's fan base when it comes to high school recruiting.
That's less important now in a transfer portal era. Brian
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Kelly is another am Shannon avoid if your ass can
be like, stay away from Brian Kelly for some of
the things that we've heard from behind the scenes with him.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
If that would be the culture fit or somebody that
Mitch Barnhart would hire. You know that it's going to
have to be a certain type of person. But all
we want to hear from you eight five nine two
eight h two two eight seven say what were you
gonna say there?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Didn't mean to step on you there now.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
But again I keep pointing back towards like a Vanderbilt
with Clark Lee, who just hired a guy who had
never been a head coach and is coming in and doing,
you know, things that we never thought we'd see for
Vanderbilt football. If you can do it at Vanderbilt, who
was you know, if there was one team lower the
Kentucky on the totalm PO.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
For a long time, it was Vanderbilt.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
And to see them to be able to go ten
and two, you know, just completely dominate at Tennessee over
the weekend with the guy who had never been a
head coach, I think you got to find somebody like
you got to find their Clark Lee.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, but you also you can't just rely on this
one person to completely change the culture of your football program.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I mentioned a GM hiring in the first segment. I
think that'd being critically important if you're going to team
up with somebody that hasn't done a head coaching job before.
So there's a lot of important decisions that are going
to be made over this next week or two. You know,
Kentucky arriving late to the party a little bit firing
Mark Stoop's late Sunday night, while many other coaches have
been moved on one when you look at John Summer,
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Al Lane kiff In, some of those bigger names. But
Kentucky is now in the mix. And now we're in
coaching search modesan and these are always fun weeks, right,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I wonder how long you think this coaching search is
going to go on. I don't think it'll go on weeks.
I think there's going to be maybe within one week.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You think by the end of the week, at the
end of this week, they'll be able to decision, I
would say, And again I'm not basing this off anything.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I just know how these things usually are quick. You know,
you got your short list at all times ready to go.
You go after those guys. You don't really waste any
time because with the coaching carousel, if you, you know, snooze,
you lose, You waste time. Somebody else is going to
pick up the guy who's number one on your list,
whoever that might be. For Mitch Barnhart. So I think
that you know, by this time next week, I think
we have a new coach.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Is Kentucky an attractive job? I mean, Cutter Bowley is
somebody that wants to be at Kentucky I.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Think that it is. I think that it is.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
You're still in the SEC, the best conference in college football,
so I think any job in the SEC is going
to be attractive. And I know a name that has
not come up at all. But if you said to me, like,
who would you want? And I know a lot of
people are going to disagree with me on this, but
a guy who has been proven uh and it was
going here and has said that he would love to
coach in the SEC and has even mentioned Kentucky Chuck
(20:14):
Jon Gruden. Man, I am telling you, I think it
would be awesome to have him here. Nobody else is
talking about it. It's probably not going to happen, but
if it did, it would be I think amazing.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Not many bigger John Gruden fans than me as a
Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan as a child, But I do
know he comes with some baggage.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Is that a higher Mitch Barnhardt would want to make.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
But Mitch's on his way out.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
So who's making this high?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I don't know that's a good question. Who is making
this higher?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Is it a board of trustees that does this if
Mitch is on his way out? Is it fair for
the next AD to have to work with a coach
who was just hired by the previous AD who was
on his way out the door.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
It's a unique situation.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, And if that's somebody is that next AD is
already in the building. If somebody like Mark Hill is
sobody that they're targeting for that position, how much say
does he have in this decision making process. It's fascinating
and we will learn much more about it as the
week goes on, and we'll hear from you. Let's take
our first call before we take our first or another
break here, Shannon, who we got.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
To Let's go to Tim. What's up? Tim?
Speaker 9 (21:15):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Tim, what's up?
Speaker 8 (21:18):
Hey?
Speaker 6 (21:18):
Guys, thanks for taking my call. Tried to get into
the postgame show after the Louisville game. That was like impossible,
but listen, I agree with the move. Obviously Mark Steuss
had to go. But it's kind of bittersweet because Mark
Steuss was so good and it wasn't like a conventional
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way like that running game when Benny Snell and Jojo
Kemp we were just pounding people. And when he got
away from that and tried to he started talking about, oh,
we got to have balance and do this pro style.
It was the turning point for me. Like, I don't
think they had a good season after that. I mean
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with Will Lavis that one season. But you know another
thing I think was the turning point was losing the
offensive line coach VLAs.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Devin, I just lost this. Sorry, yeah we're up against
the break anyway.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Sorry Tim, we lost you.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
But yeah, I mean looking for an identity after John
Schlarman was tough and Kentucky will have to pick up
the pieces and move forward without stoops. Now, a lot
of good memories that will reminds us about Coming up
next here on the KSR pre Show, Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Billy and the Dude.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
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six five six. Some say hell no, some say would
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make Kentucky immediately relevant. One person says, if you're doing
the entertainment district, John Gruden would be the perfect hire
for that position. Shannon, I regardless if you think it's
a good idea, and I just don't think the man
making the decision would hire somebody like that.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Right, Yeah, I mean that's that's the thing we could
talk about all sorts of names, but unless it's a
realistic hire, then it's probably a move point. I just
brought that up because I said I didn't say that too.
I thought that they would hire. I just said, like,
if you'd said to me, who can you hire? He
would definitely be somebody I would give a call. That's
all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Hasn't done anything in college football, but no doubt knows
his football. One other name is Chip Kelly, who was
just fired as offensive coordinator for the Raider Shannon. That
would be an odd hire as well, but if you're
looking for a modern offense, he is somebody that brings that.
We'll have an entire week to break down who's who
and who's going to be up next? But Shannon, tell
me who's next on the phone, all right, Joe's up
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next to Hey, Joe, Hey Joe.
Speaker 10 (24:28):
Thank you, gentlemen, quickly, No doubt about it. Summerw a
year ago, I think was a real possibility, and we
just couldn't pull the plug. Last year. We should have,
but we did not do it. Thank you, mister Barnhart. Secondly,
I'm mister Barnhart. I'm looking for a new at LEG
director and Shan, I'm looking for somebody who might be
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a little more how can a little more liberal at
leg director. I'm looking for somebody's can help help the
cause more than when mister Barnhart did. He will not
have any say in this coaching decision. If he does,
I'm jumping off the talent hatch, you bridge, and I'm
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heading down south right now. If he has any any
say in this coaching decision, y'all have a great day,
good bye.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Thanks for the call, Joe.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Well, if you're gonna be disappointed, Joe, he's gonna have
a hand in the decision making. I mean, this is
somebody that's legacy is really important to him. Leaving Kentucky
in a better place than when he found it is
important to him. If you don't think he's going to
have a say in this coaching search yet, I mean
you might be taking crazy pills.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 4 (25:35):
No, No, you're not.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
And we'll, you know, have a conversation if Mitch Barnhart
decides to move on. We've already heard that he's got
one foot out the door anyway, so we'll we'll have
that conversation another day. But yeah, I think he's definitely
gonna have his hand in who the next head.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Coach is here.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
But just think I mean Stoops had saved his job.
I mean he beat a bad Auburn team, a bad
Florida team. One of those two had already fired their
coach by the time that the Canuck you played him.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
If you're looking for one like silver lining out of
this whole thing, Losing the way they did to Vanderbilt
and Louisville made it an easy decision.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
It's just like Cali Perry when he was having some
seasons that weren't up to Kentucky's standards. Losing to Saint
Peter's and then losing to Oakland there left no room
for doubt. If so, what I'm saying is, if those
if that Vanderbilt and Louisville game, those last two games
were competitive, I think there is a possibility that he
(26:32):
could have finished five and seven and kept his job
and the fan base would have still been in an
uproar about him still being the head coach here. But
because they lost the way they did, it made it
a clear cut easy decision to move on.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, I'm with you, But the col thing man, they
had already decided to bring him back, like remember that
BB in shows. Yeah, yeah, and you know like, oh,
he's committed, but it was a cow that went there.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Needed to be a change when you lose to Oakland.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Correct, But yet Mitch did not see that. But he
didn't did not want to pay the buyout. So he's
gotten bailed out twice at this point, if you think
about it, won by Cal going to Arkansas and getting
out of the buyout, and two stoops graciously deciding if
this is true, to defer the buyout money over a
year's period instead of the sixty days that was originally in.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
The coming Let I'm off the hook.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
That's a bigger discussion too, you know, signing these lucrative
contract deals with these coaches.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I don't blame the coaches. Billy.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
If you tell me you're gonna pay me thirty eight
million dollars, I want my thirty eight million dollars. Yeah,
then that's on you for offering that to me. It's
not on me for signing the contract. I mean, if
I offered you thirty eight million, you're gonna take it.
You're gonna want your money.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I am.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
But let's say you're Lane Kiffin and I'm Lsu. I'm
offering you the head coaching job, but yet you've still
got the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, that's a completely different conversation. But yeah, if I'm
Lane Kiffin, you and it's easy for me to say
because I don't have money in front of me, but
I feel like you owe your team of those players
to stay until the end of the season.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I'm offering you a hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I mean, yeah, I know, right, I know, but I
would say, hey, Lsu, wait a few weeks and if
you really want me, I'll still be there. I'll tell
you what. I'll take the job, but let me just
get through the season first. And that's why I was
saying earlier. They've got it. And I know there's you know,
school semesters that getting away with the academic calendars whatever.
(28:25):
Let's be real, nobody's caring about the academic calendars. But
they got to figure this out though, to where you
don't have a situation, to where you have a coach
who has a team in the football playoffs and then
just up and leaves.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
And by the way, he said that he would stay.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
He said that he would stay, but ole Miss didn't
want any part of that, you think they're ad wanted
them to stick around with knowing that he's already going
to LSU. It's just now it's an awkward situation. It's
bad for the game. They need to figure this out
where coaches aren't leaving who have their team in the
football playoffs and they're going off and leaving and now
they got an interim coach in the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Right, and forget the academic calendar, I mean, student athletes
has been a joke for a decade. But at the
same time, it's the transfer port window that's got these coaches,
you know, having to already recruit that they should be
getting stick for the playoffs that jus two but one
hundred million dollars.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
I mean, yeah, I know, but and quickly.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
We'll get back to the calls, you know, in today's
college sports. I just don't see why he wouldn't stay
at Ole Miss, like I get ten twenty years ago.
LSU's a better job. You know, we win here. The
recruiting is just different. But now it's just your checkbook.
And who tells Lane Kiffen Noah in Oxford?
Speaker 9 (29:30):
Right?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I mean that guy has got it made.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
So I just I would not have made that decision
easy for me to say, but I would would have
wanted to play in the playoff with Ole Miss best
season ever, their first eleven win season ever, right, and
he's already gone. So I just I feel bad for
those kids. Man, You work that hard for a goal
that you've that you've you've achieved, and then your coach
leaves like that here all the time.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
These coaches, they've got that competitive nature. You know, their
dream is to win the championship. No, their dream is
to make a hundred million dollars. That's their dream, okay,
And I can't say that I really can blame them
for that. You want to make as much money as possible.
It's life changing money. But you know, some of these guys,
when you get up to fifty million, sixty million, what's
(30:14):
another twenty million.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
You already got everything you want?
Speaker 8 (30:17):
Right?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Is that the difference in a bigger house, nicer car.
Did we think this guy was going to turn over
a new leaf too? I mean, the guy that you
know left Tennessee after one year in the middle of
the night, and you know, did a whole documentary about him,
how he's a changed man.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
And you know, we got much of the same.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Money is always going to be the the motivation is
always going to be money, right, That's right.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
And John summerl is going to make a six year,
forty four million dollar contract at Florida. That's just a
little over seven million a year.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Bill and I should have been head coaches. Man, what
are we doing with this radio thing?
Speaker 4 (30:50):
You and I should just like learn football.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
You get up early enough anyway, Man, you could have
been in the film.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Laps around the you know, the field and the bleacher.
I'd be up at four o'clock. Wells, I don't have
to be the one doing the running. I could blow
a whistle.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, but for no money, for like the first ten
years of your career, right, I mean gas these offensive
coordinator assistance.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Wow, you're you're right about that.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
We could have done that anywhere.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Dennis is next? What's up? Dennis?
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Well, I'm glad somebody finally mentioned John Gruden.
Speaker 8 (31:27):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
I mean, could you imagine, you know, going in the
next season and the ANSWEC that all the talks will
be about blank kid, the Kentucky US go out and
get a John Gruden. I mean that would be big news.
Offslo so telling about bringing protected to the forefront.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
I mean so in my opinion, the three names that
should be on the list is everybody is Will Stein,
Brian Hartline and John Gruden. I think at least got
to make a phone call John Druden. Any interest there, Yeah, interviewing, that's.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Just paying Yeah mine too, But I don't think it's
going to happen. But that would be definitely one of
the guys I would at least make a phone call
to and see how much interest there is there.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
I appreciate the call, Denis, thank.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
You, Thank you, Dennis. And I think John would still
relate with the kids today. They remember him on Monday
Night football. They know that he is a football savant.
So I don't think recruiting would be an issue.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
X's and o certainly wouldn't be an issue.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
X's and o's wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I mean, there is a conversation you would immediately become relevant.
But I just again, I don't see that hire being
made now. The guy that's the front ONNT runner, Will Stein,
is a former Louisville quarterback, and it kind of tears
Louisville fans up a little bit that this guy might
be hired. And that's how you know it might be
a good hire, right, Shannon? I mean, well, somebody that
(32:49):
was a Cats fan is his dad played at the
University of Kentucky, So there is the allegiance there. But
I think it's a little telling that Louisville fans don't
want Kentucky to hire that guy.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Is it because that he went to Lobell and they
don't want a Lobell guy over there, like we don't
want Vince Merrill over at Louisville.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Or I think they know he's going to be successful.
I think they do know that, Like I think his
likability meter is off the charts.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I don't know that anybody's going to be successful. I
don't know that. We don't know anything. I don't know, Like, yeah,
you could take a chance on will Stein and I'd
be okay with that, But I don't know that he's
going to be successful here. You know, Lobal fans thought
Kenny Paine was going to be successful there.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
How'd that work out?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
You know, again talking about completely different conversations, that's a
completely different conversation.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
It's still though, a coaching hire, and you hire a
guy who you think is going to be the guy
who's going to work out for you and then it
So you got to take a chance on somebody, though,
I mean, somebody's gonna be the next head coach.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Well, what's important is that the relationships that you have
with people in the college football world, and that's where
somebody like Brian Hartline comes in as a very attractive option.
Somebody that's a very good recruiter, somebody that's been promoted
to offensive coordinator at o High State multiple times by
Ryan Day. So I mean, that's another big option. But
you've got to You've got to cast a wide net.
(34:07):
I would hate for Mitch to interview two people for
this job. I mean, this is the first time you've
hired for Kentucky football in thirteen years.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
You need to look at all your options.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, I don't think he's going to hire two, But
I also don't want to hire fifteen or you know,
interview excuse me, yes, interview fifteen people too. You need
to have a conciss list of I would say four
to six names, maybe maybe five, you know, maybe five
to seven something like that.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
But you don't want to have too big of a list.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
But it needs to be done this week, Like you're
already behind the eight ball, waiting until today to make
it official. I think they need to have the higher
raft up by Friday, but yep, we'll see how the
process plays out. We need to take a break that
eight five nine two eight h two two eight seven.
We'll finish up some of these calls and hand it
off to KSR on the other side of this break.
It is the kso appreciate welcome back. Final segment Billy
(34:58):
and the Dude. It's the k our pre Show here
on Monday, December first. Thank god November's over crossover seasons over,
at least with the football season coming to an end.
We still have a nine to thirty pm basketball game tomorrow,
but we'll get through it versus North Carolina. I do
want to say congratulations to the UK volleyball team who
earned the number two overall seed in the NCAA tournament.
(35:21):
They had to watch party last night. They'll be hosting
a regional in Lexington and their first game will be
Thursday at seven pm versus Wafford on ESPN Plus. All
session tickets go on sale today at ten am. Single
session tickets will be available tomorrow and if they win,
they'll play the winner of UCLA and Georgia Tech. So
good luck to Craig Skinner and the UK volleyball team.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Maybe talking about a national championship in a few weeks, Billy,
I'm just a championship.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Or bust, Shannon. That's where we're at right now.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
I think I have high hopes they can make that happen.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I mean, especially if Nebraska where to get upset somewhere
along the way, Like there's nobody that I mean even Nebraska.
I mean you think about that game, the first game
of the year. They almost won that game. They had
them down two sets to nothing.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Right Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
And what they did in that SEC championship game that
they could play against anybody, I mean, battled off three
straight match points for them to come back and win.
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Speaker 3 (37:06):
All right, Shannon, who's up next on the phone?
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Free Bird? Hey, free Bird?
Speaker 3 (37:09):
What's up? Free Bird?
Speaker 8 (37:11):
Well, we're in another chaotic time. I have a question
for you. I know the Lane Kiffin scenario is crazy,
but has anything mentioned about John Sumrow. He's already been
hired and he's playing for a championship game with Tulane,
So I wonder if he's gonna stay in coach or
(37:31):
the universe is gonna let him stay and coach, possibly
to win a championship, because I know, well, I don't know,
but it seems they would let, like you said, Shannon Lane,
coach his boys because they got a shot at winning
a national championship.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
Right, yeah, outside, I.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Guess it depends on the athletic director, but at all Miss,
they had no desire to keep laying around.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
He will remain with Twu Lane for the remainder of
the season. According to Pete Family.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I think that's just a case by case situation. Billy.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
You know, Ole Miss didn't want it. Their AD didn't
want that to be the situation for them. I mean,
if you were the ad, Billy, what would you do.
You have a chance at Ole Miss to win a
national championship. Your coach has already said he's moving on
after the season. Do you let them coach? If you're
the ad at ole Miss?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, probably, But I'm not the AD. I don't have
bitter feelings about somebody leaving me for more money, right,
I mean, it could be a personal decision there. But look,
I mean this is Ole miss first playoff berth It's
their best season of all time. I get that there's
a window in which this next coaching staff needs to
start getting transfer portal players. You could not have a
team next year if you go through with this decision.
(38:42):
But the whole season is about making it to this point,
like this is the end goal. So to like not
give these kids a chance by not letting their coach
continue to coach, I just think does a disservice to them,
even though you're trying to protect the roster for next year.
So it is I don't know. I do like that
John so imre All is staying on to coach. So
I guess that is what the decision I would make there.
(39:03):
So anything else free Bird.
Speaker 8 (39:06):
Yeah, wait to go, Billy, I like can't added to you.
I just NCAA has got to get something about this,
and Matt'll know more about it than everybody else, it
seems like. But they got to change these timelines not
to do this crap right until the seas.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah, that's right. That's a big yep thanks to the
coffree Bird. But yeah, they got to fix that. As
we said earlier, the timeline just it's not good for
the game when you got coaches leaving in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, you gotta adjust with the times. And that was
something Mitch was behind, and now that college football is
behind and needs to change that as a whole.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Let's take another call Lance in Atlanta.
Speaker 9 (39:44):
What's up, Lance, Hey, good morning guys. I got a
name for you, a little different. Bob Chesney, aged forty eight,
James Madison coach. He followed Signetti to James Madison. He's
got seventy two percent winning percentage overall as a head coach.
His in conference winning over the past eight years, He's
(40:08):
forty wins and four losses for a ninety one percent
in conference winning percentage. He's number ten nationally in scoring
at thirty seven point eight courts a game. He's cockey,
he's brash. SEC would not intimidate him. They should put
his name on the list.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
All right, Lance, thank you for the Comanky got a
name that I'm familiar with. But you look at his numbers.
They I mean there's a little bit different coaching that
James Madison versus the SEC.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
I will say that.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
But again, if you want to take a shot on
a guy who's younger, innovative, you know, creative with the offense,
you know, entertaining to watch their team, then maybe he's
a guy, you.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
At least pick up the phone and give a call to.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Twenty and five in two seasons at James Madison. I
think he is the top interest for UCLA. So we'll
have to see how that plays out. I think we
can take one more call thirty seconds, j George, go ahead, George,
gotta be quick.
Speaker 7 (40:59):
Yeah, listen, John Gruden names really interesting. I think we
all ought to call at North Carolina and ask them
how the Bill Belichick thing is gone. Get serious, people,
You gotta be got to hire somebody that's coached football
in the last ten years. And the last thing I'll
say is, as long as Mitch Barnhardt's in this process,
Kentucky is screwed. I'll see you guys.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
I mean that is a sentiment people have.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I don't agree with him on the John Gruden Bill
Belichick comparison.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Well, you know, as long as Gruden done blaring his
twenty four year old girlfriend along with him and make
her charge of media.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
I think that's a part of Bill Belichick's problem. My god,
the guy's so distracted going to cheerleading competitions.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
He's not even worried about his team.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
How can he pay attention.
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Speaker 1 (41:49):
That's gonna do it for us, for Shannon the Dude
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