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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And good morning, Larry MENTI here along with Laura Kurrn.
We now have seen the face of the assassin who
killed United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson on the streets of
New York this week, and we know what those words
were written on the shellcasings now mean, and they are
very close to a book that was written about the
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healthcare industry, and they're used a lot online. And because
of that, people think now they know the motive of
the killer. But that killer tonight is on the loose,
and the words meant that they were denying claims, they
were disposing of claims, they weren't taking claims seriously. So
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people now believe that that killer may have been turned
down for coverage, or someone he loved was turned down
for coverage. Another day of deliberations in the Daniel Penny
manslaughter trial, and as it drags on, more and more
people are addicting a hung jewelry. Many of the analysts
on TV said, the more they talk, you understand they're
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having a difficult problem. And Pete hag Sath will not
go quietly into the night. He is fighting in the
halls of Congress, surrounded by reporters. He had a message
to them, it's not about you. I don't owe you anything.
I don't need to talk to you. It's all about
the senators right now. That nominee for Secretory of Defense
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spent the day meeting with senators trying to shore up
support for confirmation, while President elect Trump is reportedly looking
for a replacement nominee just in case hag Seth fails,
and at the top of that list, apparently is Florida
Governor Ron DeSantis.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Talk about a frenemy.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, that's true, true.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I love you, I hate you, I love you. Maybe
I'll pick you.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
And that's everybody in Trump's world. I mean a lot
of them.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
It's also a lot of just politics writ large exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Jade Vance JD. Vans really came out against him.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I'm a numb Trump guy.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yep, yep, yep, and now he loves him. Hey, I
don't know if you've been paying attention to the situation
in Syria. Oh, it's fascinating, but that just exploded. We
got a cease fire, we got a ceasefire in Israel,
and now Syria's got problems. It's Syrian rebels that have
taken over the capital city.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
And they're on the march. I mean they're having a
lot of success.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Oh, absolutely. And the problem is that you know the
Assad regime who is in charge there, and they're in
trouble right now. And they have been backed by Hesbilah,
who's a little busy.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Right They've been back by Putin and by Iran, and
now those two guys are busy with their own problem.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yes, that's exactly what I was getting to that Putin
is also too busy and he can't afford right now
to give them arms. It used to be easy in
the past.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
He's running out, he's running out of equipment, he's running
out of the economy looks like it's teetering in Russia.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I mean he's got problems.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I mean hack he needs help from North Korea. Yeah,
he needs the fighters right now, he doesn't even have
enough men. But in the middle of all this, and
hopefully there's still peace in the Middle East. I hope
there's not in the Middle East, but hopefully there's still
peace in Israel. Because Jordana Miller, ABC News correspondent lives
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in Jerusalem. Jordana, we were just talking about the situation
in Syria. It exploded, I mean it seems like some
piece at least has come to Israel and to Lebanon,
but not in Syria. I did. It seems like some
people must have taken their eyes off the ball and
the Rebels took advantage.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I mean, I think we have to understand that after
fourteen months of war between Lebanon and Israel, and even
those strikes that are On and Israel exchanged, the rebels
saw a moment where the axis, the Iran, Russia, Syria
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Hasbala axis was weakened and it appears, you know, they
struck out of nowhere. I mean, it came as a
surprise not only two US intelligence officials, but also Israeli intelligence,
and now Israel is kind of scrambling to figure out
exactly what's happened and what could happen. And the assessment
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here is that there is a decent chance that Asad's
regime could fall, that the rebels will make it all
the way to Damascus, and already as a precautionary method,
given how quickly these rebels are advancing Israel, announcing just
a short while ago that they are intensifying and increasing
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their troop and aerial presence along the Israel Syrian border
in the north there because they say they're now ready
for anything. That is, in case some of the rebel
offensive splits off and some come on a different route
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to the Israel Syrian border. Israel says it is prepared
for all those who thought Israel was behind this offensive
and somehow it's going to help Israel. This is, you know,
not a good development for the State of Israel. Right now.
The rebels are made up of largely Islamist extremist groups,
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right breakoffs from ISIS, breakoffs from al Qaida. Though Iran
may be a common enemy, these groups have no love
for the State of Israel or Jews, and they pose
a certain added risk because, in an effort to shore
up his regime, a sad may move more pro Iranian
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miss militia's or Iranian Iranian fighters in generals onto Syrian soil,
and that, of course is bad news for Israel.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Georgiana, I have a question. You know, you're so much
closer than we are here in New York. So this
rebel group that is gaining so much ground in Syria
is led by a guy named al Jalauni. He's on
the terrorist list in the West, but he has broken
with ISIS, and he has broken with al Qaeda, and
when he and his people move into an area, you know,
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the Christians and the sites are all worried about what
could happen because they've seen this movie before, but they've
been sort of relieved that they're not going after these minorities.
You know, he actually said quote our diversity is our strength,
which is, you know, sort of an American politician cliche.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
What do you make of that?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Is this all just a ruse or is he, you know,
I had to say, sound glod but like a new
kind of terrorist.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I think, you know, we should should not take al
Jilani's comments at faith value or really put much trust
in them. He is a ruthless terrorist. He's you know,
he may have split off from ISIS and al Qaeda
al Kada, but that doesn't mean he's going to create
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a friendly or quote unquote terrorist group, right. I mean
it may be he may also in the just you know,
in the goal of taking territory and controlling it, and
that means also population, right and residents and locals. He
may be putting out this line so that his troops
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have a better his troops, his gangs have a better option,
better chance of securing the streets, and you know, and
and you know, establishing their authoritarian rule, and then what
could come later is really anyone's guests. So I don't
I don't think we should put much steak into I know,
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these kind of tolerant sentences or proclamations he's put out.
No one should trust al Jalani.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It could be strategic.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Hey, you said something interesting, You said that this is
bad for Israel, that these rebels are anti Israel. What
about America? Are they anti American? Should the US be
involved in this or concerned about it?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
These Islamist extremist groups are anti Western, and that includes
being anti American, right, because these are groups that believe
in a fundamentalist vision of Islam, which in many ways
is authoritarian, oppressive, not only for believers, you know, which
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include women, you know, but also for even Muslims who
don't keep their their strict understanding of the Islam. Those
are also considered heretics, let alone women, Christians, Jews, you know, Shias.
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So these groups are extremely dangerous, they're anti Western, and
there's no reason for the United States not to be worried.
I mean, the United States is clearly worried by this development.
Remember what happened not so long ago when Isis took
over swaths of Syria, right, and you know, put on
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out there, and back then it wasn't even so popular.
But now you can imagine can you imagine on TikTok beheadings?
I mean, it's horrifying to think about. And this is
a group that is you know, again, there is no
kind of friendlier version of a terrorist group. These are
groups that are do not be even democracy or freedom
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or you know, equal rights or freedom of the press
or information. You know, they are corrupt authoritarian regimes that
have twisted Islam to their to their perverted uh, their
perverted version of it.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Jor Dana Miller, ABC News correspondent in Jerusalem, just just
really quickly there, we just worry about you. The CeaseFire's holding.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Right, Lebanon is holding, and we're beginning to see what
looks like some real momentum to restart God's cease fire talks.
Wonderful is expected to send out a delegation to Cairo soon.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Thank you, yeah, Jor Dana Miller.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well, Donald Trump, we told you about this moment ago
and now We're going to talk more about it because
he wants us to. Donald Trump wins a big, big award,
as he would say, the biggest award.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
No one anything like it, talking.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
About it, and that's what people say. You'll hear part
of this.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Say, sir, sir, we've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Sir. You'll hear part of his acceptance speech next, welcome back.
I'm Larry Mansi here with Laura Kerr, and we would
love to hear from you. Just go to our talkback
feature and that talkback feature, by the way, First you
have to go to the iHeart app. Then you look
for seven to ten WR. Then you go to the
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talkback feature and there's a microphone there. You hit the microphone.
You can talk about anything you want to and then
we'll play it on the air. The show's always better
when you are part of it. You can talk about
Daniel Penny, you can do the search for a killer,
Pete hegg Seth, or maybe even Donald Trump's award, the
biggest award that anyone's ever gotten. Trump surprisingly got the
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Fox News Patriot of the Year award.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Wow, that was you know what. I was shocked to
hear that out of nowhere, out of nowhere, knew. I
wonder who the other nominees were. You know, usually the
nominees are. We didn't get that.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Melania, Uh huh, Baron.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Lara future Senator.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Junior.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
He beat them all out and amazing, what a victory.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
And it was a it was a huge moment at
the awards. It was you know, it was a huge moment.
It was a big You should have heard the arena.
I mean, they are all his people and they were
going crazy, and he took a moment and you could
tell he was touched by it. To tell you the truth,
and he took a moment to tell them, tell the
people in the room what he plans to do for them.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
I just want to say, we're going to bring prices down.
We're going to make our country safe. We're going to
stop people from robbing our stores and hurting our people.
We're going to and we'll get involved with governors, including
Democrat governors, because that's unfortunately, whether you like it.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Or not, that's where the crime is.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
It's uh, virtually every case it's with Democrat. It's with
Democrat run cities and states. So we're going to stop it.
We're going to work with the governors and the bears,
even if they're Democrats. So we're going to get it
down and we're going to bring our country back, and
it's going to be bigger and better and stronger than
ever before.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yes, Yes, now I understand why he won the award.
He's going to do all that, and he's trying to
do it even before he gets into office.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You know.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
I had, I had.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I had a conversation recently with a good friend of
mine who is a very strong Trump supporter, and he
explained this in a way to me that was new,
and it was that what Trump is promising is that
we can do great things. He's not telling you why
things aren't going to work, why we can't do things.
It's sort of like this feeling of hope and optimism
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that is that was very infectious, which and that is
not my perspective at all, but it was really interesting
to hear that from my friend, and kind I kind
of got what he was saying.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't agree that that's what Trump will give us, but.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I see why one would get that from the way
he messages things.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yes, and he's done it before. He's actually done all
these things before That's why he was voted in because
people looked at four years under Biden, and they looked
at the years before the pandemic under Trump, and they
realized those years were better. And we made a big mistake.
You did kind of gloss right over the fact that
he said all of the crime problems are in democratic states,
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yelocatic cities, which is true.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yes, but you also have you know, Shreveport, Louisiana. You
got some red areas that are having some problems.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Just because Louisiana doesn't mean it's democratic. New Orleans isn't,
and they have huge crime problems. Shreveport isn't. You know,
it's all the urban areas where they embrace sanctuary city
to them.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Well, you did see here in New York City, for instance,
every I think just about every election district except for
maybe one, became more red. Even the super blue ones
just got a teeny tinge more red. There's something there.
I mean, I think I think you know, when you
have one party rule like we have in New York,
you do see some policies that are not great for crime.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I mean, we've seen that.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
The country, Laura, you should see the maps. It's every county,
increased Republican registration every county.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I have seen the maps.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Your party screwed up. They've they've ruined the last four
years and there it's going to take them a long
time to get back into office.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
As we see, there is a lot of soul searching
going on in the Democratic Party, and perhaps rightly so.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I love when the political side comes out. You are
so good, thank you. Why aren't you still in office?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
That's what I'm wondering.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I can't believe it. No, you were really good. But look,
they did embrace the sanctuary cities. They did embrace you know,
since you're Democrats, for they did embrace bail reform, you
have to admit there are too awful policy, awful policies
that they're still clinging on.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
To listen to me, you ready, go ahead? Okay?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
So I am a Democrat, and there are many Democrats
like me who said similar things when I was running
for a county executive. We will not make Nasa County
a sanctuary county. Not under my watch. It's not going
to happen. That gets drowned out, yes, in the press
and by other folks in the party. And that is
why I believe so many Democrats have been losing because
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it's all painted with this broad brush. It isn't necessarily true,
but it's a very compelling message that all Democrats want this.
That's not the case, as you know, a pragmatic moderate person.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, that's unfair. I get it, I get it. And
good for you.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah, And I think that's why I think it was
very important, even in the face of angry activists to
say that.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Now, let's get the news with Jacqueline Carl Good morning, Jacqueline.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Good morning. At them.
Speaker 8 (16:51):
Blue Cross Blue Shield is halting a decision that drew
outrage from doctors and others. Blue Cross Blue Shield had
previously announced they would reimburse anesesia costs if the surgery
went on for what the insurer deemed too long. The
announcement to halt the decision came one day after the
murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
The Delta Airways. Delta Airline stowway and a flight.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
From New York to Paris is charged Thursday in Brooklyn
Federal court.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
Fifty seven year old's Fetlana Dolly, is accused of being
a stowaway without consent if convicted, she could face five
years behind bars. Dolly managed to clear JFK Airport security
last week and board a Delta flight to Paris without
showing a boarding pass. The Russian woman who has the
US green cart, apparently took advantage of the Thanksgiving holiday
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madness to blend in with the crowd. She did not
enter a plea and is being detained until mid afternoon
Friday to give her legal aid lawyer time to work
out a bail deal. Sarah Lee Kessler WOR News.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
I think this is a cute little story. This is
the top questions kids asked during the holidays. And you
guys have kids, I'll give you a couple. Is Santa real?
What if we don't have a chimney? How does Santa
delivered presents to all the kids in one night? And
can you guys, I have a bunch more. But can
you guys think of questions your kids asked you when
you're when they were you know, around Christmas time?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
How do they make all the toys? Yes so quickly,
that's a big one.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Anything else?
Speaker 9 (18:23):
All right?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Well, Larry you.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
About to say, well, actually, my kids, I'm trying to
think they never asked me any of those questions.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
They of life, and if you ask questions, if you
think too critically, it might all just fall apart.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
That's exactly him. I'm not going to ruin a good thing.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
Yeah, yeah, But a lot of them they want to
know things like how does Santa know if I've been
bad or good? Which is kind of brilliant any way,
because it's like, so maybe what if I'm naughty, will
I still get gifts? How does Santa's reindeer fly? Why
don't I see Santa? What do reindeer?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
I like these It's amazing that if they ask these
questions anyone can continue to believe.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
Well, I think it's because they do believe in rightly
so and so they want to know things like that,
like it's just the world around them about how how
do reindeer get to the North pole?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Can reindeer talk?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
How many elves.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Does Sanna have?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
They just want to know these things.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
You know, what reindeer eat?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
What do they eat?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Baby carrots? They eat kab carrots until they found out
that they're just big carrots whittled down to small carrots.
Then they stopped eating.
Speaker 8 (19:30):
So you have to leave cookies and large carrots and
you'll get more presents.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Absolutely, Jacqueline Carl thanks so much. Congratulations to Dom, Tom Benigno, Mike,
Mike Benigno, I was so worried about the Benigna.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
If you're Italian, Oh.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
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Speaker 2 (20:19):
It's an exclamation point.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Oh it's not an eye Yeah. Say you should have
read these things. You'll do the next one. You want
to do this one?
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Here?
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Speaker 1 (21:00):
Deliberations continue in the Daniel Penny trial and many analysts
are saying it looks more and more like a hung jury.
We'll see what News Nation legal analyst Jesse Weber thinks
about that. Next. Thanks for being with us this morning.
Miss is Larry Manteam with Laura Kern. Everybody is trying
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to read tea leaves as the jury in the Daniel
Penny trial enters. There another day of deliberations, but we
happen to have the best legal analysts we share them
with News Nation. Jesse Weber is News Nation legal contributor
anchor on the Law and Crime Network. He's also a
co host right here of wr's Always in Fashion, which
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now airs both Saturday and Sunday at seven o'clock. Jesse,
thanks so much for being with us today. So read
the tea leaves for us. What do you see?
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Well?
Speaker 9 (21:56):
First of all, thanks for having me. Sure look, I
will say it's possible to know what the jury is thinking.
You know, I have covered trials before where a jury
asks a question, and by the way, this is a
jury that is asking a lot of questions, and you
might take a guess as to what they're thinking, but
you really don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Having said that, the fact.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
That they are asking for a readback of testimony from
the medical examiner, the fact that they're looking at the
body cam footage, they're looking at cell phone videos, the
fact that they have asked what is the definition of
recklessness versus negligence? Those are two different criminal charges by
which Daniel Petty could be found guilty of. They seem
to be divided on a lot of things, and it
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could be that it might be one jur it might
be many jurors. You only need one juror to be
a holdout, and this could be a hung jury, which
is why I think a lot of us in the
legal community are saying, you know, they've been deliberating for
a few days.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Is that where we're headed?
Speaker 9 (22:50):
Is that where we're headed where a jury does not
have a consensus. And if that's the case and they
come back today and say, listen, judge, we can't come
to a decision, then the judge will struck them.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
It's called an allen charge.
Speaker 9 (23:02):
Go back, deliberate, look at the evidence. This is a
very serious decision. But don't abandon your convictions.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
If you really.
Speaker 9 (23:09):
Believe what you believe, don't abandon it just to rush
to a verdict. I think at this point it's a
really really tough, close knit case. And I've had this
debate with people. They say, well, maybe you know they're
going to find a compromise verdict. They won't find him
guilty of the top charge of manslaughter, but to find
him guilty of criminally negligent homicide. But then I'm also saying,
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this could be a situation where jurors are saying, either
he did something wrong or he didn't do something wrong.
Either he's guilty or he's not guilty. And it's a really,
really tough, tough case where you had two diametrically opposed
versions of what happened.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
On that subway.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Let's say there is a home jury Jesse. Is there
a new trial? What happens next?
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Well, I don't think there should be.
Speaker 9 (23:54):
Yeah, I think politically they shouldn't do it. This is
a tough case for prosecutors to ring.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Both legally and politically.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
You know, let me tell you something.
Speaker 9 (24:03):
The beginning of this trial, every there was the prosecution's case.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
They're burdened.
Speaker 9 (24:07):
They called the witnesses to the train. Now these were
people that you would think would say, we had no
idea what Daniel Penny was doing. The guy, you know,
Jordan Neely wasn't a threat. Witness after witness after witness
basically said we were in fear for our lives. And
I said, is this the prosecution's case of the defense's case?
And look as it went on, they built it up
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and they said Jordan Neely never had a weapon, he
never put his hands on anybody. You can't kill somebody
because of making empty threats. They had a medical examiner
who said that even if Jordan Neely had all the
fent and all in his system that could kill an elephant,
he still died from the chokehold. And that was one
of the things that the jury asked back. They wanted
to read back of some of her testimony when she
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was being questioned by the defense, and so it's hard
to know what they might be fixed.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
There's two factors here, right.
Speaker 9 (24:54):
It's causation. Did Daniel Penny kill Jordan Neely? And if
he did, was it justified? And those two questions are
not so simple to resolve.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
You know, it's really fascinating. This is a good time,
by the way, for legal analysts. It seems like they're
all over television and talking about this case. It brings
me back to like the OJ Simpson trum. Everybody got
a job. Everybody got a job as a legal analyst.
We're so happy to have you. But one of them
said something fascinating because of what's being asked for in evidence.
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She believed they either put aside or skipped right over
causation and went to justification. And she thought that was significant.
Do you agree.
Speaker 9 (25:37):
I don't believe that a jury will go back and forth.
I mean, it took seventy five minutes for them, in
their deliberations to just ask for a read back of
the charges and the defenses.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
They might say, you know, we want to.
Speaker 9 (25:49):
I think they're still deliberating what the causation issue as
much as they're deliberating the legal justification issue, because that's
why I think they wanted to look. One of the
things they're looking at, I imagine from the video was
the way in which Daniel Penny was holding Jordan Neely.
Was his chokehold appropriate, Was he actually restricting his airflow?
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Was Jordan Neely dying from sickling? And I think that
those I mean, she could be right. But at the
same point, I still think that asking about the medical
examiner after, you know, in the middle of their deliberation,
seems like causation could be an issue. But now that
they've asked for a read back of what is negligence
versus recklessness manslaughter versus criminally negligent homicide, there might be
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now at the point where they're seeing if it was justified.
They might have resolved the fact that he killed Jordan Neely,
but now it becomes whether or not he was justified.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
So politically going forward, you know, politics is so cyclical.
What's trendy to prosecute in one period of time then
goes out of fashion. Do you think if this goes
down in it's a hungury or they find him, you know,
not liable that a prosecutor such as Alvin Bragg might
be more hesitant to bring such a case in the future.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
He should be. He should be, And let me tell
you this much what message.
Speaker 9 (27:10):
Look, this is a tragic okay, And when the prosecutors
say that Jordan Neely was a human being and he
shouldn't have died.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
You're right, but it was a failure of the city.
He's a failure of the city. And let me tell
you something.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
If if this turns into him being found guilty, and
even the fact that he was brought charges against him,
what are people in the subway or any in New
York going to do?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Now?
Speaker 5 (27:29):
They're just going to look the other way.
Speaker 9 (27:31):
Oh, you know what, It's just I don't want to
get in trouble or be Hey, that's just New York.
We have people all around doing things. But if you
take that mentality and you do that, what could happen.
That's the one thing that I know the defense tried
to I think they were trying to amplify is Look,
we don't know what Jordan Neeely was really going to
do that day, but it created such a danger in
(27:51):
the minds of people that even the prosecutor said Daniel
Penny was justified.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
In first restraining him.
Speaker 9 (27:58):
This question, this whole legal question, is how long he
did it and the matter of force he used. But
they said he had a right and he did the
laudable thing to actually get involved that day and are
going to do that after this case.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Right, nobody disagrees with that. Jesse, thanks so much. You're great.
Jesse Webber News Nation legal contributor, anchor on the Law
and Crime Network and co host of wlr's Always in Fashion.
Right Here Saturday On Sunday at seven p m. NASA
would like to go back to the Moon in twenty
twenty six. ABC News Jim Ryan gives us all the information. Next,
(28:33):
thanks for being with us today, Larry Mancy with Laura Kern.
You know, Laura, I've wondered a lot why we never
went back to the movie.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, it right now.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
It was kind of strange. It was such a big
deal in them.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Maybe it was fake.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Stop that you want to bring that up right before
we go to Jim Ryan. I don't think he appreciates
it either. Jim Ryan is the ABC News correspondent in Dallas.
This is exciting, Jim.
Speaker 10 (29:00):
It is. Yeah, people are going to go back to
the moon. That's the plan at least, Larry, why didn't
we do it? Yeah, in nineteen seventy two they started
this process. They put people on the moon. It was fantastic,
and I think the expectation was that that would continue
that we'd eventually build a moon base and have all
sorts of activities there on the Moon. Well, it was
(29:21):
a couple of things got in the way. Watergate, Vietnam,
the eighties, energy, you know, everything sort of came crashing down.
I think after that, and maybe America lost its will
to go to the Moon. But the will seems back.
The money is there, and so here we go. But
so the overarching program is called Artemis. That's the program
(29:43):
to put people back on the Moon eventually and maybe
beyond Las. Well, two years ago Artemis won a rocket
launched into space, took the Orion crew craft around the Moon.
They did some orbits and then came back to Earth.
No crew was on board. This was a test mission
and the Orion craft came back look great. Engineers took
a closer look and said, man, this thing barely survived
(30:06):
the heat on re entry. We need to redesign the
heat shields. We need to make sure that this is safe.
So yesterday Bill Nelson, the NASA administrator, said that the
plan has been pushed back another year or so before
we can actually get a crew, a live crew orbiting
the Earth first of all, and then a crew going
to the Moon.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Do you get a sense, you know, obviously we're changing administrations,
there will be a new leader of NASA. Trump is
tapping Jared Isaacman, who is a billionaire and a friend
of Elon Musk, to be the head of NASA. We
know that Elon Musk has done so much for space exploration,
space travel, more than NASA has done. One could argue,
(30:47):
do you see that you know under a Trump administration
this initiative would continue? I would predict the answer is yes,
and perhaps on steroids.
Speaker 10 (30:56):
Yeah, I think you're right. You're right, But it's a
symbiotic relationship NASA and and SpaceX, and even during the
Apollo days and the geminy as they called it back then,
private industry was involved. You know, they had contractors, thousands
of contractors working on everything from the seat covers to
the space suits, to the tires on the lunar rover.
You know there were private companies doing all of that.
(31:17):
So it's not surprising nobody should be too surprised that
SpaceX and Boeing are involved with NASA in these space initiatives.
Artemis three, the one that is supposed to put people
on the Moon again, will rely heavily on SpaceX. There's
something called the SpaceX Starship Human Landing System. So NASA
will launch this rocket with the crew on board for people.
(31:40):
They will hook up with the SpaceX starship orbiting the Moon,
you know, the four of them will climb into there,
then two of them will drop down to the surface,
the other two staying up in orbit. So SpaceX will
be deeply involved in that whole process.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
You know, it's amazing. We've done some credible things in space.
We've broken boundaries we never thought we could break. And
it doesn't seem like the like the public is as
interested now as they were, for instance, back when we
land out on the Moon that still stands by percentage
as the most watched event on television. Do you think
(32:20):
this will rekindle some of that?
Speaker 10 (32:22):
Oh, absolutely, I think it will. And you know, you've
got these other private projects that are going up carrying people,
you know, space tourists, taking them up into orbit or
up into the upper atmosphere, and then bringing them back down.
And I think that all draws attention to this overall
project or this plan to build a moon base. Why
is it important in the first place. Well, at some
(32:43):
point in the future. The expectation is that our little
planet here won't be inhabitable anymore. We'll have to get
out of here one way or the other. So this
is a step in that direction.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Wow, it's just it just blows the mind. I mean,
the fact that we did go to the Moon all
those many years ago and seventies, technology and then time
and circumstances and events have prevented it. But now there
seems to be this new appetite and I think this
is something the country could really rally around, something big
that we do together. You know, maybe this is the
sort of thing that could help bridge some divides.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Oh that's nice.
Speaker 10 (33:14):
Well, you're right, you know. Did it work in the
sixties and seventies, Yeah, apparently it did. I mean after
the Kennedy assassination. Kennedy had promised we would have people
on the Moon by the end of the decade, and yeah,
the country rallied around, it, spent the money, had the
will in the initiative, and here we went.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Well you concerned me, Jim for a second there, because
you said, this planet's not going to be inhabitable in
the near future and they'll all have to go to
the moon. There's not enough room for everybody. How do
I get my kids on the list in front of
everybody else?
Speaker 10 (33:46):
Well, maybe you're a great great great great grand that's
down the road. But you know, the Moon isn't the destination.
The moon is the jump off point. So once we're
on the Moon then and assuming we find water there,
you need water to sustain life. Life. You can't keep
hauling it up from the Earth, but you can also
make rocket fuel with that. From the Moon, it's off
to Mars and it's on out beyond the Solar System.
(34:09):
And so yeah, a million years ago, a million years
from now, who knows what this race is going to
look like.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Well, I'll be moldering in our grapes by then.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I'm a happy Friday everybody. Thanks a lot, Thank you
very much, Bran. That was really fascinating. ABC News correspondent
in Dallas. I'm sure we'll be talking to you about
that again.
Speaker 10 (34:37):
From not moldering someone.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yes, I hope you're not moldering anytime soon. Thanks again,
Jim Gus. Moldering that's a pretty good word. That's a
good SAT word. I don't think I know it.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
You can get context. We'll give you the answer.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
So you become moldy, is that what you Yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Verb form of getting moldy.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, Well thanks for that, beautiful thought. That was really
a nice way to end at the interview with Jim.
You know what, I know we're coming up on Jim Burrelly,
so I wanted to talk about Joe Burrelly and Joe
Jim doesn't matter. It's one of the Brelli brothers. Fous
(35:20):
we are, We're gonna be talking to him. I think
it's fascinating. I don't know if you saw the last
press conference with Mayor Adams, but the way he embraced
Tom Holman, the way he embraced uh Donald Trump romance
fascinating to me. He's saying all the right things about
the immigrant crisis and the ridiculous sanctuary city policy. Joe
(35:44):
BURRELLI next. Now the news
And good morning, Larry MENTI here along with Laura Kurrn.
We now have seen the face of the assassin who
killed United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson on the streets of
New York this week, and we know what those words
were written on the shellcasings now mean, and they are
very close to a book that was written about the
(00:22):
healthcare industry, and they're used a lot online. And because
of that, people think now they know the motive of
the killer. But that killer tonight is on the loose,
and the words meant that they were denying claims, they
were disposing of claims, they weren't taking claims seriously. So
(00:43):
people now believe that that killer may have been turned
down for coverage, or someone he loved was turned down
for coverage. Another day of deliberations in the Daniel Penny
manslaughter trial, and as it drags on, more and more
people are addicting a hung jewelry. Many of the analysts
on TV said, the more they talk, you understand they're
(01:06):
having a difficult problem. And Pete hag Sath will not
go quietly into the night. He is fighting in the
halls of Congress, surrounded by reporters. He had a message
to them, it's not about you. I don't owe you anything.
I don't need to talk to you. It's all about
the senators right now. That nominee for Secretory of Defense
(01:27):
spent the day meeting with senators trying to shore up
support for confirmation, while President elect Trump is reportedly looking
for a replacement nominee just in case hag Seth fails,
and at the top of that list, apparently is Florida
Governor Ron DeSantis.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Talk about a frenemy.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, that's true, true.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I love you, I hate you, I love you. Maybe
I'll pick you.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
And that's everybody in Trump's world. I mean a lot
of them.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
It's also a lot of just politics writ large exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Jade Vance JD. Vans really came out against him.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I'm a numb Trump guy.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yep, yep, yep, and now he loves him. Hey, I
don't know if you've been paying attention to the situation
in Syria. Oh, it's fascinating, but that just exploded. We
got a cease fire, we got a ceasefire in Israel,
and now Syria's got problems. It's Syrian rebels that have
taken over the capital city.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
And they're on the march. I mean they're having a
lot of success.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Oh, absolutely. And the problem is that you know the
Assad regime who is in charge there, and they're in
trouble right now. And they have been backed by Hesbilah,
who's a little busy.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Right They've been back by Putin and by Iran, and
now those two guys are busy with their own problem.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yes, that's exactly what I was getting to that Putin
is also too busy and he can't afford right now
to give them arms. It used to be easy in
the past.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
He's running out, he's running out of equipment, he's running
out of the economy looks like it's teetering in Russia.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I mean he's got problems.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I mean hack he needs help from North Korea. Yeah,
he needs the fighters right now, he doesn't even have
enough men. But in the middle of all this, and
hopefully there's still peace in the Middle East. I hope
there's not in the Middle East, but hopefully there's still
peace in Israel. Because Jordana Miller, ABC News correspondent lives
(03:18):
in Jerusalem. Jordana, we were just talking about the situation
in Syria. It exploded, I mean it seems like some
piece at least has come to Israel and to Lebanon,
but not in Syria. I did. It seems like some
people must have taken their eyes off the ball and
the Rebels took advantage.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I mean, I think we have to understand that after
fourteen months of war between Lebanon and Israel, and even
those strikes that are On and Israel exchanged, the rebels
saw a moment where the axis, the Iran, Russia, Syria
(04:02):
Hasbala axis was weakened and it appears, you know, they
struck out of nowhere. I mean, it came as a
surprise not only two US intelligence officials, but also Israeli intelligence,
and now Israel is kind of scrambling to figure out
exactly what's happened and what could happen. And the assessment
(04:26):
here is that there is a decent chance that Asad's
regime could fall, that the rebels will make it all
the way to Damascus, and already as a precautionary method,
given how quickly these rebels are advancing Israel, announcing just
a short while ago that they are intensifying and increasing
(04:50):
their troop and aerial presence along the Israel Syrian border
in the north there because they say they're now ready
for anything. That is, in case some of the rebel
offensive splits off and some come on a different route
(05:10):
to the Israel Syrian border. Israel says it is prepared
for all those who thought Israel was behind this offensive
and somehow it's going to help Israel. This is, you know,
not a good development for the State of Israel. Right now.
The rebels are made up of largely Islamist extremist groups,
(05:36):
right breakoffs from ISIS, breakoffs from al Qaida. Though Iran
may be a common enemy, these groups have no love
for the State of Israel or Jews, and they pose
a certain added risk because, in an effort to shore
up his regime, a sad may move more pro Iranian
(06:01):
miss militia's or Iranian Iranian fighters in generals onto Syrian soil,
and that, of course is bad news for Israel.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Georgiana, I have a question. You know, you're so much
closer than we are here in New York. So this
rebel group that is gaining so much ground in Syria
is led by a guy named al Jalauni. He's on
the terrorist list in the West, but he has broken
with ISIS, and he has broken with al Qaeda, and
when he and his people move into an area, you know,
(06:32):
the Christians and the sites are all worried about what
could happen because they've seen this movie before, but they've
been sort of relieved that they're not going after these minorities.
You know, he actually said quote our diversity is our strength,
which is, you know, sort of an American politician cliche.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
What do you make of that?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Is this all just a ruse or is he, you know,
I had to say, sound glod but like a new
kind of terrorist.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I think, you know, we should should not take al
Jilani's comments at faith value or really put much trust
in them. He is a ruthless terrorist. He's you know,
he may have split off from ISIS and al Qaeda
al Kada, but that doesn't mean he's going to create
(07:18):
a friendly or quote unquote terrorist group, right. I mean
it may be he may also in the just you know,
in the goal of taking territory and controlling it, and
that means also population, right and residents and locals. He
may be putting out this line so that his troops
(07:39):
have a better his troops, his gangs have a better option,
better chance of securing the streets, and you know, and
and you know, establishing their authoritarian rule, and then what
could come later is really anyone's guests. So I don't
I don't think we should put much steak into I know,
(08:02):
these kind of tolerant sentences or proclamations he's put out.
No one should trust al Jalani.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It could be strategic.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Hey, you said something interesting, You said that this is
bad for Israel, that these rebels are anti Israel. What
about America? Are they anti American? Should the US be
involved in this or concerned about it?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
These Islamist extremist groups are anti Western, and that includes
being anti American, right, because these are groups that believe
in a fundamentalist vision of Islam, which in many ways
is authoritarian, oppressive, not only for believers, you know, which
(08:52):
include women, you know, but also for even Muslims who
don't keep their their strict understanding of the Islam. Those
are also considered heretics, let alone women, Christians, Jews, you know, Shias.
(09:13):
So these groups are extremely dangerous, they're anti Western, and
there's no reason for the United States not to be worried.
I mean, the United States is clearly worried by this development.
Remember what happened not so long ago when Isis took
over swaths of Syria, right, and you know, put on
(09:38):
out there, and back then it wasn't even so popular.
But now you can imagine can you imagine on TikTok beheadings?
I mean, it's horrifying to think about. And this is
a group that is you know, again, there is no
kind of friendlier version of a terrorist group. These are
groups that are do not be even democracy or freedom
(10:02):
or you know, equal rights or freedom of the press
or information. You know, they are corrupt authoritarian regimes that
have twisted Islam to their to their perverted uh, their
perverted version of it.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Jor Dana Miller, ABC News correspondent in Jerusalem, just just
really quickly there, we just worry about you. The CeaseFire's holding.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Right, Lebanon is holding, and we're beginning to see what
looks like some real momentum to restart God's cease fire talks.
Wonderful is expected to send out a delegation to Cairo soon.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Thank you, yeah, Jor Dana Miller.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well, Donald Trump, we told you about this moment ago
and now We're going to talk more about it because
he wants us to. Donald Trump wins a big, big award,
as he would say, the biggest award.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
No one anything like it, talking.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
About it, and that's what people say. You'll hear part
of this.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Say, sir, sir, we've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Sir. You'll hear part of his acceptance speech next, welcome back.
I'm Larry Mansi here with Laura Kerr, and we would
love to hear from you. Just go to our talkback
feature and that talkback feature, by the way, First you
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(11:31):
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You can talk about anything you want to and then
we'll play it on the air. The show's always better
when you are part of it. You can talk about
Daniel Penny, you can do the search for a killer,
Pete hegg Seth, or maybe even Donald Trump's award, the
biggest award that anyone's ever gotten. Trump surprisingly got the
(11:54):
Fox News Patriot of the Year award.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Wow, that was you know what. I was shocked to
hear that out of nowhere, out of nowhere, knew. I
wonder who the other nominees were. You know, usually the
nominees are. We didn't get that.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Melania, Uh huh, Baron.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Lara future Senator.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Junior.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
He beat them all out and amazing, what a victory.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
And it was a it was a huge moment at
the awards. It was you know, it was a huge moment.
It was a big You should have heard the arena.
I mean, they are all his people and they were
going crazy, and he took a moment and you could
tell he was touched by it. To tell you the truth,
and he took a moment to tell them, tell the
people in the room what he plans to do for them.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
I just want to say, we're going to bring prices down.
We're going to make our country safe. We're going to
stop people from robbing our stores and hurting our people.
We're going to and we'll get involved with governors, including
Democrat governors, because that's unfortunately, whether you like it.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Or not, that's where the crime is.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
It's uh, virtually every case it's with Democrat. It's with
Democrat run cities and states. So we're going to stop it.
We're going to work with the governors and the bears,
even if they're Democrats. So we're going to get it
down and we're going to bring our country back, and
it's going to be bigger and better and stronger than
ever before.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yes, Yes, now I understand why he won the award.
He's going to do all that, and he's trying to
do it even before he gets into office.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You know.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
I had, I had.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I had a conversation recently with a good friend of
mine who is a very strong Trump supporter, and he
explained this in a way to me that was new,
and it was that what Trump is promising is that
we can do great things. He's not telling you why
things aren't going to work, why we can't do things.
It's sort of like this feeling of hope and optimism
(13:50):
that is that was very infectious, which and that is
not my perspective at all, but it was really interesting
to hear that from my friend, and kind I kind
of got what he was saying.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't agree that that's what Trump will give us, but.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I see why one would get that from the way
he messages things.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yes, and he's done it before. He's actually done all
these things before That's why he was voted in because
people looked at four years under Biden, and they looked
at the years before the pandemic under Trump, and they
realized those years were better. And we made a big mistake.
You did kind of gloss right over the fact that
he said all of the crime problems are in democratic states,
(14:28):
yelocatic cities, which is true.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yes, but you also have you know, Shreveport, Louisiana. You
got some red areas that are having some problems.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Just because Louisiana doesn't mean it's democratic. New Orleans isn't,
and they have huge crime problems. Shreveport isn't. You know,
it's all the urban areas where they embrace sanctuary city
to them.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Well, you did see here in New York City, for instance,
every I think just about every election district except for
maybe one, became more red. Even the super blue ones
just got a teeny tinge more red. There's something there.
I mean, I think I think you know, when you
have one party rule like we have in New York,
you do see some policies that are not great for crime.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I mean, we've seen that.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
The country, Laura, you should see the maps. It's every county,
increased Republican registration every county.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I have seen the maps.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Your party screwed up. They've they've ruined the last four
years and there it's going to take them a long
time to get back into office.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
As we see, there is a lot of soul searching
going on in the Democratic Party, and perhaps rightly so.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I love when the political side comes out. You are
so good, thank you. Why aren't you still in office?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
That's what I'm wondering.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I can't believe it. No, you were really good. But look,
they did embrace the sanctuary cities. They did embrace you know,
since you're Democrats, for they did embrace bail reform, you
have to admit there are too awful policy, awful policies
that they're still clinging on.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
To listen to me, you ready, go ahead? Okay?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
So I am a Democrat, and there are many Democrats
like me who said similar things when I was running
for a county executive. We will not make Nasa County
a sanctuary county. Not under my watch. It's not going
to happen. That gets drowned out, yes, in the press
and by other folks in the party. And that is
why I believe so many Democrats have been losing because
(16:29):
it's all painted with this broad brush. It isn't necessarily true,
but it's a very compelling message that all Democrats want this.
That's not the case, as you know, a pragmatic moderate person.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, that's unfair. I get it, I get it. And
good for you.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah, And I think that's why I think it was
very important, even in the face of angry activists to
say that.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Now, let's get the news with Jacqueline Carl Good morning, Jacqueline.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Good morning. At them.
Speaker 8 (16:51):
Blue Cross Blue Shield is halting a decision that drew
outrage from doctors and others. Blue Cross Blue Shield had
previously announced they would reimburse anesesia costs if the surgery
went on for what the insurer deemed too long. The
announcement to halt the decision came one day after the
murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
The Delta Airways. Delta Airline stowway and a flight.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
From New York to Paris is charged Thursday in Brooklyn
Federal court.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
Fifty seven year old's Fetlana Dolly, is accused of being
a stowaway without consent if convicted, she could face five
years behind bars. Dolly managed to clear JFK Airport security
last week and board a Delta flight to Paris without
showing a boarding pass. The Russian woman who has the
US green cart, apparently took advantage of the Thanksgiving holiday
(17:41):
madness to blend in with the crowd. She did not
enter a plea and is being detained until mid afternoon
Friday to give her legal aid lawyer time to work
out a bail deal. Sarah Lee Kessler WOR News.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
I think this is a cute little story. This is
the top questions kids asked during the holidays. And you
guys have kids, I'll give you a couple. Is Santa real?
What if we don't have a chimney? How does Santa
delivered presents to all the kids in one night? And
can you guys, I have a bunch more. But can
you guys think of questions your kids asked you when
you're when they were you know, around Christmas time?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
How do they make all the toys? Yes so quickly,
that's a big one.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Anything else?
Speaker 9 (18:23):
All right?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Well, Larry you.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
About to say, well, actually, my kids, I'm trying to
think they never asked me any of those questions.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
They of life, and if you ask questions, if you
think too critically, it might all just fall apart.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
That's exactly him. I'm not going to ruin a good thing.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
Yeah, yeah, But a lot of them they want to
know things like how does Santa know if I've been
bad or good? Which is kind of brilliant any way,
because it's like, so maybe what if I'm naughty, will
I still get gifts? How does Santa's reindeer fly? Why
don't I see Santa? What do reindeer?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
I like these It's amazing that if they ask these
questions anyone can continue to believe.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
Well, I think it's because they do believe in rightly
so and so they want to know things like that,
like it's just the world around them about how how
do reindeer get to the North pole?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Can reindeer talk?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
How many elves.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Does Sanna have?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
They just want to know these things.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
You know, what reindeer eat?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
What do they eat?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Baby carrots? They eat kab carrots until they found out
that they're just big carrots whittled down to small carrots.
Then they stopped eating.
Speaker 8 (19:30):
So you have to leave cookies and large carrots and
you'll get more presents.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Absolutely, Jacqueline Carl thanks so much. Congratulations to Dom, Tom Benigno, Mike,
Mike Benigno, I was so worried about the Benigna.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
If you're Italian, Oh.
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Speaker 1 (21:00):
Deliberations continue in the Daniel Penny trial and many analysts
are saying it looks more and more like a hung jury.
We'll see what News Nation legal analyst Jesse Weber thinks
about that. Next. Thanks for being with us this morning.
Miss is Larry Manteam with Laura Kern. Everybody is trying
(21:21):
to read tea leaves as the jury in the Daniel
Penny trial enters. There another day of deliberations, but we
happen to have the best legal analysts we share them
with News Nation. Jesse Weber is News Nation legal contributor
anchor on the Law and Crime Network. He's also a
co host right here of wr's Always in Fashion, which
(21:44):
now airs both Saturday and Sunday at seven o'clock. Jesse,
thanks so much for being with us today. So read
the tea leaves for us. What do you see?
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Well?
Speaker 9 (21:56):
First of all, thanks for having me. Sure look, I
will say it's possible to know what the jury is thinking.
You know, I have covered trials before where a jury
asks a question, and by the way, this is a
jury that is asking a lot of questions, and you
might take a guess as to what they're thinking, but
you really don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Having said that, the fact.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
That they are asking for a readback of testimony from
the medical examiner, the fact that they're looking at the
body cam footage, they're looking at cell phone videos, the
fact that they have asked what is the definition of
recklessness versus negligence? Those are two different criminal charges by
which Daniel Petty could be found guilty of. They seem
to be divided on a lot of things, and it
(22:35):
could be that it might be one jur it might
be many jurors. You only need one juror to be
a holdout, and this could be a hung jury, which
is why I think a lot of us in the
legal community are saying, you know, they've been deliberating for
a few days.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Is that where we're headed?
Speaker 9 (22:50):
Is that where we're headed where a jury does not
have a consensus. And if that's the case and they
come back today and say, listen, judge, we can't come
to a decision, then the judge will struck them.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
It's called an allen charge.
Speaker 9 (23:02):
Go back, deliberate, look at the evidence. This is a
very serious decision. But don't abandon your convictions.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
If you really.
Speaker 9 (23:09):
Believe what you believe, don't abandon it just to rush
to a verdict. I think at this point it's a
really really tough, close knit case. And I've had this
debate with people. They say, well, maybe you know they're
going to find a compromise verdict. They won't find him
guilty of the top charge of manslaughter, but to find
him guilty of criminally negligent homicide. But then I'm also saying,
(23:30):
this could be a situation where jurors are saying, either
he did something wrong or he didn't do something wrong.
Either he's guilty or he's not guilty. And it's a really,
really tough, tough case where you had two diametrically opposed
versions of what happened.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
On that subway.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Let's say there is a home jury Jesse. Is there
a new trial? What happens next?
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Well, I don't think there should be.
Speaker 9 (23:54):
Yeah, I think politically they shouldn't do it. This is
a tough case for prosecutors to ring.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Both legally and politically.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
You know, let me tell you something.
Speaker 9 (24:03):
The beginning of this trial, every there was the prosecution's case.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
They're burdened.
Speaker 9 (24:07):
They called the witnesses to the train. Now these were
people that you would think would say, we had no
idea what Daniel Penny was doing. The guy, you know,
Jordan Neely wasn't a threat. Witness after witness after witness
basically said we were in fear for our lives. And
I said, is this the prosecution's case of the defense's case?
And look as it went on, they built it up
(24:27):
and they said Jordan Neely never had a weapon, he
never put his hands on anybody. You can't kill somebody
because of making empty threats. They had a medical examiner
who said that even if Jordan Neely had all the
fent and all in his system that could kill an elephant,
he still died from the chokehold. And that was one
of the things that the jury asked back. They wanted
to read back of some of her testimony when she
(24:49):
was being questioned by the defense, and so it's hard
to know what they might be fixed.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
There's two factors here, right.
Speaker 9 (24:54):
It's causation. Did Daniel Penny kill Jordan Neely? And if
he did, was it justified? And those two questions are
not so simple to resolve.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
You know, it's really fascinating. This is a good time,
by the way, for legal analysts. It seems like they're
all over television and talking about this case. It brings
me back to like the OJ Simpson trum. Everybody got
a job. Everybody got a job as a legal analyst.
We're so happy to have you. But one of them
said something fascinating because of what's being asked for in evidence.
(25:26):
She believed they either put aside or skipped right over
causation and went to justification. And she thought that was significant.
Do you agree.
Speaker 9 (25:37):
I don't believe that a jury will go back and forth.
I mean, it took seventy five minutes for them, in
their deliberations to just ask for a read back of
the charges and the defenses.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
They might say, you know, we want to.
Speaker 9 (25:49):
I think they're still deliberating what the causation issue as
much as they're deliberating the legal justification issue, because that's
why I think they wanted to look. One of the
things they're looking at, I imagine from the video was
the way in which Daniel Penny was holding Jordan Neely.
Was his chokehold appropriate, Was he actually restricting his airflow?
(26:11):
Was Jordan Neely dying from sickling? And I think that
those I mean, she could be right. But at the
same point, I still think that asking about the medical
examiner after, you know, in the middle of their deliberation,
seems like causation could be an issue. But now that
they've asked for a read back of what is negligence
versus recklessness manslaughter versus criminally negligent homicide, there might be
(26:35):
now at the point where they're seeing if it was justified.
They might have resolved the fact that he killed Jordan Neely,
but now it becomes whether or not he was justified.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
So politically going forward, you know, politics is so cyclical.
What's trendy to prosecute in one period of time then
goes out of fashion. Do you think if this goes
down in it's a hungury or they find him, you know,
not liable that a prosecutor such as Alvin Bragg might
be more hesitant to bring such a case in the future.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
He should be. He should be, And let me tell
you this much what message.
Speaker 9 (27:10):
Look, this is a tragic okay, And when the prosecutors
say that Jordan Neely was a human being and he
shouldn't have died.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
You're right, but it was a failure of the city.
He's a failure of the city. And let me tell
you something.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
If if this turns into him being found guilty, and
even the fact that he was brought charges against him,
what are people in the subway or any in New
York going to do?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Now?
Speaker 5 (27:29):
They're just going to look the other way.
Speaker 9 (27:31):
Oh, you know what, It's just I don't want to
get in trouble or be Hey, that's just New York.
We have people all around doing things. But if you
take that mentality and you do that, what could happen.
That's the one thing that I know the defense tried
to I think they were trying to amplify is Look,
we don't know what Jordan Neeely was really going to
do that day, but it created such a danger in
(27:51):
the minds of people that even the prosecutor said Daniel
Penny was justified.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
In first restraining him.
Speaker 9 (27:58):
This question, this whole legal question, is how long he
did it and the matter of force he used. But
they said he had a right and he did the
laudable thing to actually get involved that day and are
going to do that after this case.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Right, nobody disagrees with that. Jesse, thanks so much. You're great.
Jesse Webber News Nation legal contributor, anchor on the Law
and Crime Network and co host of wlr's Always in Fashion.
Right Here Saturday On Sunday at seven p m. NASA
would like to go back to the Moon in twenty
twenty six. ABC News Jim Ryan gives us all the information. Next,
(28:33):
thanks for being with us today, Larry Mancy with Laura Kern.
You know, Laura, I've wondered a lot why we never
went back to the movie.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, it right now.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
It was kind of strange. It was such a big
deal in them.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Maybe it was fake.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Stop that you want to bring that up right before
we go to Jim Ryan. I don't think he appreciates
it either. Jim Ryan is the ABC News correspondent in Dallas.
This is exciting, Jim.
Speaker 10 (29:00):
It is. Yeah, people are going to go back to
the moon. That's the plan at least, Larry, why didn't
we do it? Yeah, in nineteen seventy two they started
this process. They put people on the moon. It was fantastic,
and I think the expectation was that that would continue
that we'd eventually build a moon base and have all
sorts of activities there on the Moon. Well, it was
(29:21):
a couple of things got in the way. Watergate, Vietnam,
the eighties, energy, you know, everything sort of came crashing down.
I think after that, and maybe America lost its will
to go to the Moon. But the will seems back.
The money is there, and so here we go. But
so the overarching program is called Artemis. That's the program
(29:43):
to put people back on the Moon eventually and maybe
beyond Las. Well, two years ago Artemis won a rocket
launched into space, took the Orion crew craft around the Moon.
They did some orbits and then came back to Earth.
No crew was on board. This was a test mission
and the Orion craft came back look great. Engineers took
a closer look and said, man, this thing barely survived
(30:06):
the heat on re entry. We need to redesign the
heat shields. We need to make sure that this is safe.
So yesterday Bill Nelson, the NASA administrator, said that the
plan has been pushed back another year or so before
we can actually get a crew, a live crew orbiting
the Earth first of all, and then a crew going
to the Moon.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Do you get a sense, you know, obviously we're changing administrations,
there will be a new leader of NASA. Trump is
tapping Jared Isaacman, who is a billionaire and a friend
of Elon Musk, to be the head of NASA. We
know that Elon Musk has done so much for space exploration,
space travel, more than NASA has done. One could argue,
(30:47):
do you see that you know under a Trump administration
this initiative would continue? I would predict the answer is yes,
and perhaps on steroids.
Speaker 10 (30:56):
Yeah, I think you're right. You're right, But it's a
symbiotic relationship NASA and and SpaceX, and even during the
Apollo days and the geminy as they called it back then,
private industry was involved. You know, they had contractors, thousands
of contractors working on everything from the seat covers to
the space suits, to the tires on the lunar rover.
You know there were private companies doing all of that.
(31:17):
So it's not surprising nobody should be too surprised that
SpaceX and Boeing are involved with NASA in these space initiatives.
Artemis three, the one that is supposed to put people
on the Moon again, will rely heavily on SpaceX. There's
something called the SpaceX Starship Human Landing System. So NASA
will launch this rocket with the crew on board for people.
(31:40):
They will hook up with the SpaceX starship orbiting the Moon,
you know, the four of them will climb into there,
then two of them will drop down to the surface,
the other two staying up in orbit. So SpaceX will
be deeply involved in that whole process.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
You know, it's amazing. We've done some credible things in space.
We've broken boundaries we never thought we could break. And
it doesn't seem like the like the public is as
interested now as they were, for instance, back when we
land out on the Moon that still stands by percentage
as the most watched event on television. Do you think
(32:20):
this will rekindle some of that?
Speaker 10 (32:22):
Oh, absolutely, I think it will. And you know, you've
got these other private projects that are going up carrying people,
you know, space tourists, taking them up into orbit or
up into the upper atmosphere, and then bringing them back down.
And I think that all draws attention to this overall
project or this plan to build a moon base. Why
is it important in the first place. Well, at some
(32:43):
point in the future. The expectation is that our little
planet here won't be inhabitable anymore. We'll have to get
out of here one way or the other. So this
is a step in that direction.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Wow, it's just it just blows the mind. I mean,
the fact that we did go to the Moon all
those many years ago and seventies, technology and then time
and circumstances and events have prevented it. But now there
seems to be this new appetite and I think this
is something the country could really rally around, something big
that we do together. You know, maybe this is the
sort of thing that could help bridge some divides.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Oh that's nice.
Speaker 10 (33:14):
Well, you're right, you know. Did it work in the
sixties and seventies, Yeah, apparently it did. I mean after
the Kennedy assassination. Kennedy had promised we would have people
on the Moon by the end of the decade, and yeah,
the country rallied around, it, spent the money, had the
will in the initiative, and here we went.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Well you concerned me, Jim for a second there, because
you said, this planet's not going to be inhabitable in
the near future and they'll all have to go to
the moon. There's not enough room for everybody. How do
I get my kids on the list in front of
everybody else?
Speaker 10 (33:46):
Well, maybe you're a great great great great grand that's
down the road. But you know, the Moon isn't the destination.
The moon is the jump off point. So once we're
on the Moon then and assuming we find water there,
you need water to sustain life. Life. You can't keep
hauling it up from the Earth, but you can also
make rocket fuel with that. From the Moon, it's off
to Mars and it's on out beyond the Solar System.
(34:09):
And so yeah, a million years ago, a million years
from now, who knows what this race is going to
look like.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Well, I'll be moldering in our grapes by then.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I'm a happy Friday everybody. Thanks a lot, Thank you
very much, Bran. That was really fascinating. ABC News correspondent
in Dallas. I'm sure we'll be talking to you about
that again.
Speaker 10 (34:37):
From not moldering someone.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yes, I hope you're not moldering anytime soon. Thanks again,
Jim Gus. Moldering that's a pretty good word. That's a
good SAT word. I don't think I know it.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
You can get context. We'll give you the answer.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
So you become moldy, is that what you Yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Verb form of getting moldy.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, Well thanks for that, beautiful thought. That was really
a nice way to end at the interview with Jim.
You know what, I know we're coming up on Jim Burrelly,
so I wanted to talk about Joe Burrelly and Joe
Jim doesn't matter. It's one of the Brelli brothers. Fous
(35:20):
we are, We're gonna be talking to him. I think
it's fascinating. I don't know if you saw the last
press conference with Mayor Adams, but the way he embraced
Tom Holman, the way he embraced uh Donald Trump romance
fascinating to me. He's saying all the right things about
the immigrant crisis and the ridiculous sanctuary city policy. Joe
(35:44):
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