Mess Is More

Mess Is More

Ah, wedded bliss! The charming melodies of your partner chewing, every dirty dish stacked to perfection, passionate dialogue that is definitely NOT yelling! Real-life couple, Emily & Nathan explore the mirth and the myths of long term relationships.


August 30, 2022 61 mins

We've often said that marriage is a business, but according to the book, Spousonomics, by Paula Szuchman & Jenny Anderson, it's really a lot more like the economy...complicated.

Get the book here.

This amazing book is so chock full of great marriage advice we read it twice and had to split it into 2 parts!

If you grew up believing you should never go to bed angry, that's just "Loss...

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We've often said that marriage is a business, but according to the book, Spousonomics, by Paula Szuchman & Jenny Anderson, it's really a lot more like the economy...complicated.

Get the book here.

This amazing book is so chock full of great marriage advice we read it twice and had to split it into 2 parts!

If you grew up believing you should never go to bed angry, that's just "Loss...

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July 26, 2022 80 mins

Can we be done with COVID yet? After a week, where our concert was cancelled just as family arrived in town to see it, all of our friends got sick, Nola turned 1 year old, and Emily's work closed for 10 days, we admittedly felt a little 2020 PTSD.

We decided to check in with each other, and dig into how we're's not great.

We discuss dealing with past trauma, grieving the loss of...

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In our 11 years of marriage we have learned a lot about what make a marriage tick, but in so many unforeseen ways we are mere novices.

With that in mind, we are thrilled to have our first guests on Mess Is More.

This week, we sit down with our dear friends, Christy Brandt and John Gary Brown. They have been married for over 40 years, and together for 50. They share some wonderful stories about what it takes to get...

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Happy 4th of July???

After the overturning or Roe vs. Wade a couple weeks ago, it's even more critical that family care is addressed by our country. Being a new parent is a huge endeavor, and the USA is one of the only wealthy nations that doesn't have national paid leave.

We have been fortunate to have 3 great companies step up to provide family support in amazing ways.  We want to shout out and hear ab...

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June 28, 2022 69 mins

This week, we dive into The D Word; one of the scariest words you can utter in a marriage.

We break down 8 common signs of divorce and reflect on how we recognized these red flags later than we would have liked.

But after standing on the edge of marital oblivion, we found that living in fear of divorce was not nearly as helpful as having a healthy respect for it.

That healthy respect is part of what keep...

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June 21, 2022 72 mins
Great News! We're performing a benefit concert for one night only called Mess Is More: The Musical. All your favorite hot marriage content...but with songs.

All the proceeds will benefit the amazing Creede Repertory Theatre, our creative home away from home.

Get your tickets for July 19, 2022 @ 7 PM at
If you can't come, please consider a donation...
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June 14, 2022 65 mins

We did it! We made it through 40 plus weeks of pregnancy, the trials of labor, and the indescribable feeling of seeing the little person we made together.

Then the fun starts. We always heard "everything would change", that "life will never be the same", but we didn't really know what it would all mean.

In this weeks episode we break it down:

  • How are things different now?
  • What does our l...
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We're back y'all! And we have a new name: Mess Is More! 

We left last season with a real cliffhanger ...did we or did we not have that baby??? 

Spoiler: We did. 

Today's episode is dedicated to the birth story of the amazing tiny human we made! And it's a good one, folks. If you've ever had a baby or your partner has ever had one you will relate to a lot of this story. If you have...

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June 22, 2021 76 mins

If you're like us, you love taking silly Facebook quizzes that tell you which Hogwarts House you belong to. (We're proof that a Gryffindor and Slytherin can make it work!) But this week we take it to a whole other level with the Myers Briggs test from

We dive into what makes us tic, how annoying it is to have a computer call you out for your worst traits, and how it affects our relationship. D...

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June 8, 2021 72 mins

In this week's episode, Emily asks Nate all about what it's like to be the other guy. Ya know, the anchor, the support person, the often overlooked partner in the pregnancy duo.

What's it like finding out you're going to be a parent?  Is sympathy pregnancy a real thing? And how does it feel knowing your partner is going through a total body transformation and and a potentially dangerous and (at it&apos...

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Well we did it y'all. 10 trips around the sun with each other. 5,256,000 Minutes (That's Ten Rent's of marriage!

Nate & Emily sit down on their anniversary and revisit what the last 10 years has taught them, how is has surprised and challenged them.

They open up about how it was nothing like they anticipated, yet richer than they could have ever anticipated. As they close out this chapter of the...

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April 30, 2021 58 mins

This week Emily & Nate recount the adventure of their BabyMoon.  What is a BabyMoon? How does one do it? Well we’ve got answers apparently, because a registered OB in Key West chased us down the street to ask us all about it.

The final trip as a duo is a great chance to reflect on where you’ve been as a couple and look forward to how the new addition to your family is going to change everything.

All of that ...

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April 14, 2021 53 mins

The world is opening again and if you’re like us you’re feeling equal parts excitement and “did I really like being around people that much before?”

Emily and Nate found themselves thrown back into  old patterns when Nate had to start flying for work again.

From little things like forgetting how to pack, to larger issues like checking in promptly when your pregnant wife texts you, it was a week filled with nervou...

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April 2, 2021 65 mins

We all vow that we'll never become our parents, but if there's one thing that will bring it out of you, it's becoming parents yourself. This week, Emily & Nate dive into how their own upbringing has given them insight into how they would like to parent.

Prompted by a great discussion of other parent's to be they talk about the wonderful things they want to pass on to their child from their families...

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You've heard of the bump and grind, but this week Emily and Nate are here to talk ALL about the bump....and the GRUMP. Who is the grump? Is it one of them? Possibly. Likely even.

What they can tell you is that they are experiencing (in real time) how pregnancy changes the very nature of a relationship. Turns out the cliche we always hear about mom's hormone changes are just one part of the story. Did you know Dad...

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March 16, 2021 71 mins

Many of us say it right in the vows, and hardly take a moment to think about what it really means. Whether it’s facing your own mortality or the mortality of your partner, kicking the bucket is an uncomfortable topic.

Nate & Emily talk about how they have prepared for end of life decisions...and by that they mean they haven’t prepared at all.

From the little things like what songs you want played at your fun...

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March 2, 2021 73 mins

It’s not easy being green with envy. It’s even harder when the person inviting the wrath of your green-eyed monster is your partner.

Turns out it’s a slippery slope from admiration, emulation, and pride to malicious behavior.

Most people don’t like to admit it, but it’s easy to harbor resentment  with your spouse over careers, popularity, attractiveness, wealth, prestige and a host of other things that should ma...

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February 23, 2021 68 mins

If you’re looking for advice, we have none. This week we provide an update on all of our baby craziness and how it’s impacting our marriage in surprising ways.

From ultrasounds to genetic testing;  registries and gender reveals, we’re capturing some of what’s happening in real time.

Listen in to find out how fluctuating birth plans, last name debates, and nesting make things all the messier.

If you like...

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February 16, 2021 52 mins

No, it'a not an episode about broadband. These 3 G's are all about sex. As in Gettin it on, Gettin busy, Giggity get the idea. (giggity)

This week, Emily and Nate discuss why it's so dang hard to keep the fire stoked after over a decade of shagging. Have they always succeeded? Of course not! Do they keep trying new things? Most definitely! Learn about (some of) those things and learn some ideas...

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