November 5, 2025 • 34 mins
NFL analyst Charles Davis stops by the show to all things Seahawks as they're on a roll, how good is this team and is this the best defense since the legion of boom, and much more. MJ makes his pick in Fact or Fiction and Myles Turner shares his thoughts on former teammate Tyrese Haliburton.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So we're going to get to that as well on
what the Hawks did yesterday. And you can see him
on the NFL this season. Next year he's going to
be taking the place of Gary Danielson to go what
a combo. That's going to be him and Brad Nessler
doing the game of the week on CBS for college football.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
The great Charles Davis.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Charles, always good to talk to you, Always great to
hear your voice.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
So I got to ask.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
You, is that I know you travel I don't know
how much you got to see Sunday night of the
Seattle Seahawks monumental statement to the NFL world about that
maybe the best team could be arguably the best team
in the National Football League could possibly reside here in
the PNW. What have you thought so far of the
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first eight games with the Seahawks going six and two
and the statement day made on Sunday night in DC.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, First of all, great to talk with you again, Mark.
Always a pleasure. Appreciate you having me on and being
a chat with you because it's always a lot of fun.
Second thing is I was fortunate enough that I was
traveling Sunday and was in the air and had lucky
enough to have a TV, you know, while on the
plane and be able to watch. I watched all the
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way through unforced Jayden and Daniels getting hurt, so I
got to I got to see the game. And you know, look,
we are talking Seattle, right so it's real easy to
feel like it's a Homer type of a discussion, but
we're just talking football now. It doesn't matter what city
we're in. You'd have to consider Seattle if you just
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want to take the NFC. You know, you arguably the
best team in the NFA. If you want to say
in the league right now, you'd have to put them
in that discussion. They are playing really good ball, and
I think that they are. There's more levels for them
to get to. I really truly do. I still think
getting a full defense cohesive for multiple weeks, then we're
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really going to see something over there. I mean they've
been doing it with guys in and out of the lineup.
You know, this guy played this week, this guy didn't,
those two didn't play. Here you got love on ir.
I mean there's a bunch of stuff going on and
still people are struggling moving to football. And then you
flipped around the other side. My goodness, it is. It
is fun to watch, and I'll just stop here, but
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I have to throw this statement out because Mark, this
is one of those ones where you, as an experienced analyst,
know that you can hear the people in Minnesota saying, yeah,
just wait, way, yeah, you know they are I mean,
that's just that's just that's just natural, right because he left,
you know, in Minnesota's to offer him a contract that
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really said, you know, you gotta leave, right Like, I've
been in a position before where people have offered me
a deal to stay with a certain place, but when
they offered it, you said, they're telling me I need
to go somewhere else. And that's what Minnesota did. You know, Hey,
we'd love to have you back. Sam, here's the offer.
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The offer immediately said yeah, okay, you know I'm going
to get better offers, right, Yeah, we know that, see it,
and that's what happens. But I know Minnesota people are
just like, okay, just hang in there, because we got
all that too. Those last couple of games, that's what
killed us. Now there's no guarantee he's going to repeat
those last couple of games. He might even continue to
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ascend to a level that we're seeing right now. All
I know is what I'm watching at the moment is
a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
And nobody did you have this on your Bengal card, Charles,
because a lot of people, I know, nobody here in PNW,
and I got here in February. I know nobody had
Sam Darnold being a legitimate top five you know, odds
MVP favorite. Going into week ten of the season, we
all thought, oh, Kevin O'Connell puppet part of the Kevin
O'Connell ecosystem. Is he is he better than year with
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Clint kubiac then he was with Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
It's a fair.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Question, he is. It's a fair question. And I said
to me, the answer is yes, but it's not because
he's with Clint Kubiak as opposed to Kevin O'Connell. It's
what got started with Kevin o'conma and he's just descended
beyond that. Think about Okay, everyone who can hear our
voices and listening to the show, pick a time in
your life when you realize that person, that organization, that company,
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that job, that moment, that play triggered you towards something else.
Didn't mean like your life's work or anything. I'm saying.
Do you realize, wow, that was pretty good, or oh
I believe in myself, or yeah, I'm pretty good at
certain things. That sort of that sort of deal. We
all had it, right, Remember how you go back that
one teacher that believed in me and brought it out
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of me. It doesn't always have to be that dramatic.
But for Sam Darnold, I do believe it was one
jump before that. It was the time with Kyle Shanahan
and San Francisco and being around that system. The Polish
really kicked in with Kevin O'Connell, and now he's burnishing
it himself and with Clint Kubiak and continuing on. So
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you know, yeah, not to me, it's not an either
or like he's playing well here, he's playing better with
this guy. I just think that Sam Donald is so
locked in now and he hits the places he's making
himself better, but he's doing it with people who are
pretty good at their craft as well.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Very well, said Charles Davis here from CBS on Evan
Jane in the midday. Charles listened to this. Four quarterbacks
have done this over the team's first eight games of
a season in NFL history, completed seventy percent of their passes,
thrown for over two thousand yards, thrown over fifteen touchdowns,
and taking fewer than ten sacks the other There's three
on the list, Drew Brees in twenty eighteen, Peyton Manning
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in two thousand and nine, MVP Tom Brady, and O
seven Sam Donald in twenty twenty five. That's pretty good company.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I laugh only because I look the idea for me
to say I know Sam Donald is folly. I know
Sam Donald and context stuff. I've I've gotten to cover
him as a player. So there's a chance that if
you said to him, hey Sam Donald trules Davis, you go,
oh yeah, then again he might not. Okay. So I
don't want anybody to have the idea. And it's one
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of the things that I think you know is true
as well. Mark, we go to do a ballgame, when
we meet with players, we meet with coaches and all.
I always caution my brethren, Hey, guys, don't think that
like you're like pals, now, okay, Like they're nice, they're polite,
they're good people, they're good. All the right thing you
can meet with them the next weekend, they will walk
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up and introduce themselves to you. Hey, nice to meet you,
because they've got a million other things going on and
we're kind of the least of what's happening. Now. If
you are Mahomes and Josh Allen, you're gonna know Jim
Mansontoni Romo because you see him every year. See what
I mean, You're gonna know those people. You're gonna know
all those people that's going now. I'm just saying as
a general rule around aun Mary go Rout is going
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to be like that. But I just think that what
I know of people that in a quiet place, a
quiet time, a wasting all of us. If someone had
said that Sam Donald a trusted person and no one's
going to see a reaction other than him and that person,
and he said and you, and that person said to him,
well you just said to me, he would try and
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be stoic and then he'd just break into a grin
and go, you gotta be giving me That is pretty cool, Yeah,
because the little kid in all of us comes out
when things like that happen. Right, You don't play this
game without having that little kid in you. And Sam Donald,
if you say to him privately, yeo, this is the
company you're keeping with these numbers right now, which are
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top shelf. And by the way, your name is next
to Brady Breeze Manning. You can't help but grid right.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
It's absolutely yeah, very well said in Charles. Here's what's
even more remarkable. Look at where he came from. He
came into the league in the most dysfunctional franchise in
the Jets, and he overcame that, which makes his current
status even all that more impressive.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
It really does. And what's what what I go back
to help me with this one, because if I'm not mistaken,
his draft class, the first quarterback off, what was Baker
Mayfield Cleveland?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Correct, that is correct? And then Josh Allen was in there.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
But I'm saying the next quarterback was Sam Darnald.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It was yep.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And and and he went what three to the Jets?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, I think he went after.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Went two to the Giants. I think he went three
to the Jets. Here's my point. Here's my point. The
reason I bring it up. We'll all go God, if
only such and such a taking him, he was in
the running to be the number one overall pick. In fact,
most people thought Cleveland was taking him. I suspected that,
like Baker Mayfield, but I didn't get full confirmation on
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it until literally about three hours before the draft. I
got okay, this is definitely happened as Mayfield right, like
the kind of keme that way. But Arnold had kind
of been the odds on favor to go to Cleveland. Okay,
he goes to the Jets. We give the Jets all
kinds of grief. Baker Mayfield and Sam Doll end up
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together in Carolina and the same same team. You think
there was times in that quarterback room they just looked
at each other and went, so Cleveland huh? And they
other lookdown what s the Jets?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And then swap and then swap stories because Mayfield had
better Mayfield had better fortune. Remember he actually got the
Browns to the playoffs Pittsburgh. They beat Pittsburgh in Week
eighteen to make the playoffs. Pittsburgh didn't play people. Pittsburgh
was locked into a position where it wasn't going to change.
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Big Big Ben didn't play a few other people. Uh
what's his name from Oklahoma State?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Oh? Oh, yeah, I know who I know? You mean the.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Mason Mason Rudolph Jason Ruff quarterback that day. Not a
lot of starters didn't play. I remember it because my
crew did the game the very next week because of
how it broke down Cleveland. Now, and that game was
in Cleveland, they make the playoffs. Place goes crazy. The
very next week. They're gonna play the first round the
playoffs in Pittsburgh, the rematch game. But now Pittsburgh's going
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to play everyone.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
And you remember how.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Cleveland jumped off killed them, I mean just coobret them.
And yes, Pittsburgh came back then through it about five
hundred times. The numbers looked good, the score looked better,
but Cleveland colobret them in that ball game. So he
had better fortune. But you remember how it flipped on him,
and and and until someone can really prove me wrong
on this one, I hold to my opinion that Baker
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Mayfield lost his job in Cleveland by trying to be
old school tough guy and played through injury because he did.
You remember how hurt he was last year in Cleveland.
They played through all this, shouldered Ridge all this. He's
never should have been answering the bell. He answered the bell,
all the time, and I felt like it held it
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against him. They absolutely held it against him. Yeah, yeah,
he can't buy Rother and he goes it doesn't work
great in Carolina, speaking of dysfunction. That was dysfunctional because
that Matt rule gets fired. Steve Wills, Everything's just gone haywire.
And then he has that Thursday night Las Vegas? Was
it in Las Vegas? Wasn't it? The Rams and the
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Raiders or whatever? He shows up on a Tuesday, Kirkkurtree.
He gives us the great story that he actually was
in town less time than I was in and plays
like man and with sew McVay. Okay, notice the name
we're using Mark Sean McVay. Short time with the Rams.
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I opined that if he didn't get a starting opportunity
the next year, you should re sign with the Rams
because you get better being around Sean McVay. He got
the opportunity with Tampa, and you remember everybody was like, hey,
it's quarterback competition, Baker Mayfield, Kyle traft I laughed, how
I got sick. I was like, what competition are you
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people talking about? Like, well, Kyle traft I said, this
is not a competition. This is a coronation and Baker Mayfield,
we're going to beat him down. This is not gonna know.
And we've seen what's happened since then. He finally found
the right place. For the reason I brought up to
Sean McVay, where did Kevin o'connll come out of mc
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all right? Who saw who were who were who were
great buddies? Wait along one Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan,
same staff and Washington under J Gruden. There's a lot
of connective threads. And all I'm saying is if you're
a quarterback and you're trying to resurrect, if you're an
agent and you don't say, okay, we're my connective threads
in this league in a place to put my guy
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to try and get him right, and if you don't
go to the McVay Shanahan type tree, then I think
you're missing the boat.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Good point, really good point.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
That being said, we knew going into the season the
Seahawks defense was going to be top five, top six.
I think they've even better than advertised, Charles, When you
look at this team, is this the best defense we've
seen here in Seattle since the legion of boom Era.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Why or why not?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, I think it is. I think it is. And
it's because you have the right fit of people and
you don't have a ton of people that are just
overwhelming you when you talk about, oh, we got that guy, Like,
think about how the fan thread that's made about the
Parson Michael Parsons deal. Is there anyone on the Seattle
defense that we're putting in that category?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
No at all. But we're also not putting a bunch
of you know, one of my old coaches, not a
bunch of slappies out there either. Now, these are good
football players, but they are football players who want to
win football games. Okay, they're about winning games. They're not
about Okay, I gotta get my ten sacks or I
got to get this, or I gotta get that. What
do I have to do coach in this defense for
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this thing to work and for us to win games?
And you're seeing that cohesiveness happen even when guys go
out of the game, right, even when guys aren't playing
that next man up mentality. These guys understand, accept their roles,
play to play it to the best of their ability
and play it so that hey, one day maybe I'll
have a bigger role. But for right now, this is
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what they're asking me to do. Okay, cool and all
they go and they really work quite well together. I
just think, Mark, if they get them all healthy at
one time and get a five year rep I mean
five game rip of guys, oh my, I mean, there's
gonna be something new. This is where division is. History
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always happens when when people, hey, you know, you know,
I really thought Seattle in preseason blah blah blah. I
did not say Seattle in preseason. What I did say
is the team that intrigues me the most in the
West is Seattle because if we get the version of
if we get in the version of Darnold that we
saw for most of the time in Minnesota with Mike
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McDonald and what he already has going on defense, I
think that they have a chance in that division to
be pretty darn good. Because we had to see if
San Francisco could bounce back, right They had a million injuries,
and this year they're playing through the injuries in an
amazing way. The Rams we knew had hit that stage
where they're going to be pretty good a year in
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and year out, right, if they're at that level. Sean McVay,
when was the last time we heard him have angst
about coaching. It's been a few years now, right, Yeah,
we don't get this offseason the should I coach and
I go to TV. That's done. He's all locked in
and that team to that level. And Arizona was our
major wildcard this year. Major wildcard because you remember they
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were Seattle team that went to Arizona last year in December.
Arizona was leading the division at the time, and if
Seattle went in there and jumped them, and that changed
the fortunes of everybody in the in the NFC West.
In Seattle and Arizona couldn't keep face. We thought coming
into this season that Arizona had a good chance to
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make that jump in that next level, and they haven't.
They're hoping they'll get a springboard out of Monday night
against Dallas.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Charles Davis from cbscre on MJ in the midday, Charles,
you look at the trade that John Schneider made yesterday
Rashid Shahed. They gave a fourth and a fifth rounder.
I think it obviously improved the team. Was that a
little too much compensation to give up for Rashid Shahed.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
No, I don't think so, because because of worry helped
you in multiple places tour. R Horton has come on
already for you to to help continue to open things
up at a deeper level. You know that in his
college career he was tracking towards being more like a
second round pick, and then he had the injury, ends
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up going in the fifth and I thought, oh, he's healthy,
putting again himself with steel. Shaheed is a different body type,
but a similar player to Horton to get deep, catch
the football, make plays after the catch, and hurt too
in the return game. Now he got a whole nother
another weapon that way. And because of his body type,
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you've seen Shaheed. He wears that twenty two. That's an
old running backs number. He looks like a running back
in a lot of ways. He does. See him coming out,
see him coming on jet sweeps. I think that the
point Kubiak could do with him. I don't think of
four and five too much to give up for a
guy with use talent. You can have him for a while,
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and let's face it, a big game hunting right now
in Seattle This is not about, hey, can we win
the division make the playoffs. This is about let's win
the division, make the playoffs, and let's do some damage
in the playoffs. And this is not a pipe dream.
This isn't a wishing hoping it can be. So it's real,
it's legitimate. The Colts did the same thing, and the
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Colts compensation very similar to what the Rams did years
ago for Jalen Ramsey. And I'm not saying that's the
only move, but the bleep them picks T shirt right,
let's need and crew, right, yeahp them pick. We're reissuing
it now in Colts colors because that's where they are.
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The similar compensation, sauce goes in there, and now you
have a chance to own the division that's supposed to
be Houston. But Houston, they're struggling so much on offense.
We don't know about that. Jacksonville came back to the
pack pretty quickly Indianapolis this week against Atlanta in Berlin,
Mark is a major game for them because Pittsburgh jumped
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them last week. A ton of pressure in the face
at Danny Dimes give me and Danny Jones, right, It's
almost almost like the balloon popped. I don't believe so.
I think he's having a heck of a year and
I think he's going to continue to be good, and
I think so William Nianapolis. But they're playing in an
Atlanta team that's blitzing almost fifty percent of the time,
So the same type of pressure will be in his
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face in Berlin. If Indianapolis handles that pressure and Sauce
plays well for them, I think that they assent to
the next level too. And then that trade that they
made for Sauce, you start to think to yourself, this
trade could pay off in bigger ways than just simply
winning a division.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Charles Davis from CBS Sports, Charles, I've often admired from
a far and previous stops, just the talent evaluation and
assessment from the outside looking in of John Schneider. Well,
now he's the man in charge, and I just got
to ask you, let's just go back to arch Uh.
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They got into a contract negotiation with Geno Smith, Seahawks
didn't want to pay him what he was asking for.
Prior to that, they trade dk Metcalf their one to
Pittsburgh for a second round pick. Then they trade Geno
Smith to the Raiders for a third round pick. How
much did those moves attribute to where this team is
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right now, not only today Charles on November fifth, but
moving forward in the future. On John Schneider being prescient
playing as Denzel said in training Day, he's playing chess
at zeckers, right, how do.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
How do we look at John Schneider playing chess?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Well, the rest of the league, well, not everybody, but
a lot of teams are playing checkers.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Well, if you're going to go training day, King Kong, yeah,
all right, we're going to go there, right, Yeah, but okay,
let me make sure I'm getting it all. Walk me
through it, okay, DK Metcalf Yep. What that deal. What
that move did was make sure that Jackson Smith and
jig But would be wide receiver one and you supplement
around him and you've seen how he's flourished, and take
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it off and ascend it to the upper echelon of receivers.
That was a great move for that Gino Smith. They
liked Gino, but remember Gino was whose guy, Pete's guy.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yep, right, And.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
It wasn't that he didn't want to play for Mikey
Likee planning for Mike, but at the same time, at
those numbers, what exactly do we get with him? The
sense I got was John Schneider said, this is our
ceiling with Gino. I think that Sam Donald can give
us more. And it was willing to take the gamble
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to do that, because a lot of times what we
do with people we sign them because we're afraid, well,
if we don't sign him and it goes backwards, where
we'll look terrible. Josh Eider wasn't afraid to make that move.
He's like, no, I have a conviction that this quarterback
can take us farther, even though I know what I'm
getting out of the previous quarterback, and I like it.
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He took the gamble right, put it out there and
went especially at the numbers that he was willing to do.
You have to make those types of moves and have
the fort two to do it if you believe the
other people are in place, or you're going to put
a person in place to take you farther, and you're
willing to risk it not working in order for it
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to happen. Because imagine if we were sitting here right
now in Seattle with three and five or two and
six or what have you? DK? Metcalf, we traded to
do right? Everybody be calling you right now, tray with Metcalf.
We let Gino go which night are doing? But you
have to have the fortitude to take that shot because
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playing it safe works. Hey, you don't you find a
way with DK, Hey, you find a way with Gino?
Not many people are gonna fault you, right, but he
saw bigger and he went for it. And boy, di
has that worked out for him?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
No doubt? Where are you headed to this weekend?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Headed back to Miami? Bills are coming?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (23:12):
You know the natural thing is, hey, is this a
trap game for Buffalo after beating Kansas City and what
have you? Josh Allen's fourteen and two in his career
against Miami mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
And James Cook is coming home to where he starred
in high school football, Plantation American Heritage High School.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
So that's a you know, hey.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
We saw another guy who had a home coming last
Thursday night, Lame Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
How that work out pretty good for him? Uh?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Pretty good? And don't forget all the same Thomas Aquinas guys.
Oh boy, who's coming back? And you know they've got
a bunch of people on that Buffalo team that have
those Florida ties and happy to get there. But I
was reminding people the other day the Bosa family tree,
oh Dad for Dad, first round pick, Joey, first round pick,
brother Nick, first round pick. Cousin Eric Komero out of
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Ohio State picked with the Dolphins. Air Koomro's son Jake.
Remember he was Aaron Rodgers' favorite target for a while
in Green Band. I drafted free agent. They had some
nice run in the NFL. That is all the same.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Family, amazing, unbelievable. Charles.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Always great to talk to you and hear your voice.
Let's do it again soon and then later. And if
I don't talk to you before Thanksgiving, have a great
one to you and your family. And I know it's
got to be tough this time of the year. Down
to sunshine, stay brave in that weather.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yeah, you know it's tough, Mark, but I'm gonna do
it for you if everyone else, Thanks for giving. Thank
you for giving me the courage to do so. Thank
you soon, Happy Thanksgiving to you and everyone else.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
All right, you too, CD.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
We appreciate Charles Davis from CBS Sports right here, factor
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Speaker 2 (24:47):
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Speaker 2 (25:12):
This game is so.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Easy I could I could pretty much guarantee it.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
It's it's like, it's that easy.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
And I actually try to save my best picks for
picking the locks every Friday night with Lee Sterling. But
I'm gonna give you one early here, and you're I'm
gonna tell you bet it now, thank me later. Not
only fact it, but you need to bet this now
and thank me later.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
This is so this is such an easy pick.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I'd gone through the numbers Baltimore Ravens in Minnesota, and
I had some of you people last week on the
text line when I went over on Vikings Lions, Oh,
Brian Flores defense and this that and the other. JJ McCarthy,
it went over, how about this game? Daddy's back Lamar
Jackson the two time, two time, two times, I'm MVP.
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He goes on the road with Lamar, there's points on
the season even without Lamar. Here's the great part about Baltimore.
They score a lot, but they give up even more
because their defense sucks because their best defensive coordinator they've
had since the guy by the name of Rex Ryan
named Mike McDonald, is no longer there. That's why their
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defense sucks. Out of eight games, six overs, they're in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Oh what is Minnesota on the year?
Speaker 1 (26:31):
In eight games, seven overs, you have an eighty one
percent chance to hit the over on this game, bingo
forty nine. I don't care if it was fifty nine.
This is gonna go over way over. I feel like
I'm giving away a great pick that I should be
waiting for picking the locks, but I'm gonna do it today.
I'm gonna guarantee this game. I'm gonna guarantee it. Ravens
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Vikings over forty nine. Text if you agree in fact
four nine, four to five to one. I'm not even
gonna tell you if you disagree. If you disagree, don't
text in anything because you're wrong, because it's you could
only text in fact four nine four to five one.
I'm I'm putting a triple guarantee on this game not
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only over forty nine, way over. Bet it now, wait
for it, thank me later, and cash that ticket. Ravens
Vikings over forty nine text in fact to four nine,
four to five one. There's no other option. Don't don't
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text in it all if you if you disagree, you're
gonna be wrong. It's gonna go so over they're gonna
light it up. I guarantee both teams by halftime are
gonna be near the game total of forty nine at
the half. Great thing with the Ravens they score a
lot and they give up a lot. That's an over
dream four nine, four to five to one. Text in fact, bingo, boom,
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there we go. Don't forget. Steve Weish is coming up
at the top of the hour. NFL Networks chief national
reporter will talk to him about.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
What does this mean?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
What does this mean for the Seahawks getting Rashid Shahed?
What does that mean? A former teammate, how about this
one calls out? It's ty Reese Halliburton. Find out who
and what he said. Coming up next, Steve Weisch will
go real in depth on the Hawks and what they did.
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You got another ten minutes to text in fact to
four nine four or five to one over Ravens Vikings
forty nine four nine four five one fact. Don't go
anywhere the media taking one thing blowing it up into
something else. It's been happening ever since the dawn of
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time and former Pacers spent his entire career there until
leaving a go to Milwaukee. Mile Turner a great player, tough,
big guy, can shoot it, put the ball on the floor.
Just a guy that you could count on for a
decade straight. Uh well, he said something that got misconstrued
about his former teammate Tyrese Halliburton.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
He makes it hard on himself to root for him
just because of the way. But as a competitor, Bro,
you gotta respect the way he rocks like. He's one
of those guys. If he is on your team, you
love him, right, you love him. Yeah, he goes against
your team that he could just look at look the
wrong way at the camera and it irritates you. I
can see that, Bro, I just feel like one. Tyrese. Also,
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he knows he's protected too, so he can go out
there and talk, say whatever the hell he wants to do,
and then you know he knows he has back up
at the end of the day. Now, he's not gonna
be talking the same if you're in the middle of
the street or whatever.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Trying to say, like we all meet each other now.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Obviously mind you will engaged most of the time, but
like when we meet each other outside of you know, you.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Know, everybody's showing, like everybody's likely.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
But it's like, Bro, it's a brother hid Man. There's
only four hundred and fifty of us. There's only five
thousand of us all time.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
We learned that an episode last year, maybe like around
winter time last year we were going through.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I forgot how it came up, and I looked at it.
I had to like triple check the numbers.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
On the court, like, yeah, of course they're trying to
bust like I'm trying to bust your ass, is how
it is. But off the floor, man, I want you
to win, bro, Like I think it's amazing that like
one that you've made it to this league. But too, Bro,
I want you a family to be straight. I want
you to get as much money out of that you can.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I don't think I've ever heard Miles Turner talk that
was the first son so he was on with Jannis's
brother what's his name, I can't pronounce it, Fanastis, that's right,
who a lot of people have said was the worst
player in the NBA until Bronnie James came along.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
He Wonassus Brownie, Right. Well, I'd go with the Nasis.
But it's an interesting thing. And I don't think anything
that was said there about Tyree Saliburton was wrong.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
He is a guy that you love if he's on
your team, and if he's not, you do want to
smack him. You can't stand you can't stand him. And
he has a very Pete Davidson punch it. You just
want to punch his face. He's a good looking guy too,
so that's probably another reason there. Ladies love him. So
he's got that going for him. And he can play.
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He can play. I mean, I just remember the draft.
I'll never forget it. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
And it's like.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I used to say this about Bill Belichick when I
was on the air in WI in Boston, and I
could say it about the Knicks for so many years.
They're sitting there on the clock, sitting there on the clock,
could have had Haliburton. It took Obe Topping a couple
of years prior to that. Oh, we could go on
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and on and on.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
They took.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Frank Lakina over Bam out A Bio and Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Oh, don't forget that one. And this is the best one.
This is the one that takes them all.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
They took Kevin Knox in the lottery out of Kentucky
over his teammate. Maybe you've heard of this guy, Shaye
gilgis Alexander, which to me says, I am better at
evaluating talent than people who are getting paid to be
a general manager in the NBA. I said, they will
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rue the day they passed on Halliburton. And guess what happened.
He goes to Sacramento. He's there at Daron Fox Day,
trade him in Indiana for Sabonis. Now Daron Fox goes
to San Antonio, and Haliburton's gonna haunt the Nicks for
the rest of his career except this year because he's
done for the year. I literally I watch wal to
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Wall college basketball. By the way, speaking of great thing
last night, the first ever Dick Fital Invitational. You can't
say first annual because annual only means it can be
the second, but the first ever last night between Duke
and Texas.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Great event.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Dick was on the broadcast with my former colleague at Nessen,
Dave O'Brien, who calls the Red Sox games. He also
does college basketball in the off season on ESPN and
J Billis and Dick did a great job.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
He did a great job.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
And Carlos Boozer's son, Cam Boozer is the real deal.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
You know, it's amazing to me. Kid.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
There's two people that succeeded goats in college sports in
the last four years. Calin de Boor at Alabama. Nick
Saban looks like he's right of the ship. Looks like
that they had, They're back on course, They're back where
they should be. They're bam again. And John Schier at
Duke taking over for the goat coach K Mike Krzyzewski.
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You could make an argument that even since coach K left,
the talent level is even better. And remember in his
last few years he had Pollo, he had Zion, he
had RJ.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Barrett.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I mean, I give those guys credit. Man John Shire
thirty eight years old, he's at Bett a Duke. I
think it's his fourth or fifth year killing it, absolutely
killing it. So it was great to see college basketball
is in full effect. And folks, I will tell you
next year's NBA Draft is going to be Banana Land.
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It is gonna be so freaking amazing CoA, Pete, Darius Acuff,
Cam Boozer, Caleb Wilson, Darren Peterson, AJ Debonsa. It is
gonna be Nate Amen are a men from Tennessee. It
is gonna be sick. Next year's NBA draft cannot wait.
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But this year in college basketball is gonna be great.
You know what else is gonna be great? Steve Weisch,
NFL Network chief national reporter. We got him coming up
next right here, MJ in the midday. Christopher Kidd, don't
go in it.
So we're going to get to that as well on
what the Hawks did yesterday. And you can see him
on the NFL this season. Next year he's going to
be taking the place of Gary Danielson to go what
a combo. That's going to be him and Brad Nessler
doing the game of the week on CBS for college football.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
The great Charles Davis.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Charles, always good to talk to you, Always great to
hear your voice.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
So I got to ask.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
You, is that I know you travel I don't know
how much you got to see Sunday night of the
Seattle Seahawks monumental statement to the NFL world about that
maybe the best team could be arguably the best team
in the National Football League could possibly reside here in
the PNW. What have you thought so far of the
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first eight games with the Seahawks going six and two
and the statement day made on Sunday night in DC.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, First of all, great to talk with you again, Mark.
Always a pleasure. Appreciate you having me on and being
a chat with you because it's always a lot of fun.
Second thing is I was fortunate enough that I was
traveling Sunday and was in the air and had lucky
enough to have a TV, you know, while on the
plane and be able to watch. I watched all the
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way through unforced Jayden and Daniels getting hurt, so I
got to I got to see the game. And you know, look,
we are talking Seattle, right so it's real easy to
feel like it's a Homer type of a discussion, but
we're just talking football now. It doesn't matter what city
we're in. You'd have to consider Seattle if you just
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want to take the NFC. You know, you arguably the
best team in the NFA. If you want to say
in the league right now, you'd have to put them
in that discussion. They are playing really good ball, and
I think that they are. There's more levels for them
to get to. I really truly do. I still think
getting a full defense cohesive for multiple weeks, then we're
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really going to see something over there. I mean they've
been doing it with guys in and out of the lineup.
You know, this guy played this week, this guy didn't,
those two didn't play. Here you got love on ir.
I mean there's a bunch of stuff going on and
still people are struggling moving to football. And then you
flipped around the other side. My goodness, it is. It
is fun to watch, and I'll just stop here, but
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I have to throw this statement out because Mark, this
is one of those ones where you, as an experienced analyst,
know that you can hear the people in Minnesota saying, yeah,
just wait, way, yeah, you know they are I mean,
that's just that's just that's just natural, right because he left,
you know, in Minnesota's to offer him a contract that
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really said, you know, you gotta leave, right Like, I've
been in a position before where people have offered me
a deal to stay with a certain place, but when
they offered it, you said, they're telling me I need
to go somewhere else. And that's what Minnesota did. You know, Hey,
we'd love to have you back. Sam, here's the offer.
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The offer immediately said yeah, okay, you know I'm going
to get better offers, right, Yeah, we know that, see it,
and that's what happens. But I know Minnesota people are
just like, okay, just hang in there, because we got
all that too. Those last couple of games, that's what
killed us. Now there's no guarantee he's going to repeat
those last couple of games. He might even continue to
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ascend to a level that we're seeing right now. All
I know is what I'm watching at the moment is
a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
And nobody did you have this on your Bengal card, Charles,
because a lot of people, I know, nobody here in PNW,
and I got here in February. I know nobody had
Sam Darnold being a legitimate top five you know, odds
MVP favorite. Going into week ten of the season, we
all thought, oh, Kevin O'Connell puppet part of the Kevin
O'Connell ecosystem. Is he is he better than year with
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Clint kubiac then he was with Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
It's a fair.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Question, he is. It's a fair question. And I said
to me, the answer is yes, but it's not because
he's with Clint Kubiak as opposed to Kevin O'Connell. It's
what got started with Kevin o'conma and he's just descended
beyond that. Think about Okay, everyone who can hear our
voices and listening to the show, pick a time in
your life when you realize that person, that organization, that company,
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that job, that moment, that play triggered you towards something else.
Didn't mean like your life's work or anything. I'm saying.
Do you realize, wow, that was pretty good, or oh
I believe in myself, or yeah, I'm pretty good at
certain things. That sort of that sort of deal. We
all had it, right, Remember how you go back that
one teacher that believed in me and brought it out
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of me. It doesn't always have to be that dramatic.
But for Sam Darnold, I do believe it was one
jump before that. It was the time with Kyle Shanahan
and San Francisco and being around that system. The Polish
really kicked in with Kevin O'Connell, and now he's burnishing
it himself and with Clint Kubiak and continuing on. So
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you know, yeah, not to me, it's not an either
or like he's playing well here, he's playing better with
this guy. I just think that Sam Donald is so
locked in now and he hits the places he's making
himself better, but he's doing it with people who are
pretty good at their craft as well.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Very well, said Charles Davis here from CBS on Evan
Jane in the midday. Charles listened to this. Four quarterbacks
have done this over the team's first eight games of
a season in NFL history, completed seventy percent of their passes,
thrown for over two thousand yards, thrown over fifteen touchdowns,
and taking fewer than ten sacks the other There's three
on the list, Drew Brees in twenty eighteen, Peyton Manning
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in two thousand and nine, MVP Tom Brady, and O
seven Sam Donald in twenty twenty five. That's pretty good company.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I laugh only because I look the idea for me
to say I know Sam Donald is folly. I know
Sam Donald and context stuff. I've I've gotten to cover
him as a player. So there's a chance that if
you said to him, hey Sam Donald trules Davis, you go,
oh yeah, then again he might not. Okay. So I
don't want anybody to have the idea. And it's one
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of the things that I think you know is true
as well. Mark, we go to do a ballgame, when
we meet with players, we meet with coaches and all.
I always caution my brethren, Hey, guys, don't think that
like you're like pals, now, okay, Like they're nice, they're polite,
they're good people, they're good. All the right thing you
can meet with them the next weekend, they will walk
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up and introduce themselves to you. Hey, nice to meet you,
because they've got a million other things going on and
we're kind of the least of what's happening. Now. If
you are Mahomes and Josh Allen, you're gonna know Jim
Mansontoni Romo because you see him every year. See what
I mean, You're gonna know those people. You're gonna know
all those people that's going now. I'm just saying as
a general rule around aun Mary go Rout is going
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to be like that. But I just think that what
I know of people that in a quiet place, a
quiet time, a wasting all of us. If someone had
said that Sam Donald a trusted person and no one's
going to see a reaction other than him and that person,
and he said and you, and that person said to him,
well you just said to me, he would try and
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be stoic and then he'd just break into a grin
and go, you gotta be giving me That is pretty cool, Yeah,
because the little kid in all of us comes out
when things like that happen. Right, You don't play this
game without having that little kid in you. And Sam Donald,
if you say to him privately, yeo, this is the
company you're keeping with these numbers right now, which are
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top shelf. And by the way, your name is next
to Brady Breeze Manning. You can't help but grid right.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
It's absolutely yeah, very well said in Charles. Here's what's
even more remarkable. Look at where he came from. He
came into the league in the most dysfunctional franchise in
the Jets, and he overcame that, which makes his current
status even all that more impressive.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
It really does. And what's what what I go back
to help me with this one, because if I'm not mistaken,
his draft class, the first quarterback off, what was Baker
Mayfield Cleveland?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Correct, that is correct? And then Josh Allen was in there.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
But I'm saying the next quarterback was Sam Darnald.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It was yep.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And and and he went what three to the Jets?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, I think he went after.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Went two to the Giants. I think he went three
to the Jets. Here's my point. Here's my point. The
reason I bring it up. We'll all go God, if
only such and such a taking him, he was in
the running to be the number one overall pick. In fact,
most people thought Cleveland was taking him. I suspected that,
like Baker Mayfield, but I didn't get full confirmation on
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it until literally about three hours before the draft. I
got okay, this is definitely happened as Mayfield right, like
the kind of keme that way. But Arnold had kind
of been the odds on favor to go to Cleveland. Okay,
he goes to the Jets. We give the Jets all
kinds of grief. Baker Mayfield and Sam Doll end up
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together in Carolina and the same same team. You think
there was times in that quarterback room they just looked
at each other and went, so Cleveland huh? And they
other lookdown what s the Jets?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And then swap and then swap stories because Mayfield had
better Mayfield had better fortune. Remember he actually got the
Browns to the playoffs Pittsburgh. They beat Pittsburgh in Week
eighteen to make the playoffs. Pittsburgh didn't play people. Pittsburgh
was locked into a position where it wasn't going to change.
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Big Big Ben didn't play a few other people. Uh
what's his name from Oklahoma State?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Oh? Oh, yeah, I know who I know? You mean the.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Mason Mason Rudolph Jason Ruff quarterback that day. Not a
lot of starters didn't play. I remember it because my
crew did the game the very next week because of
how it broke down Cleveland. Now, and that game was
in Cleveland, they make the playoffs. Place goes crazy. The
very next week. They're gonna play the first round the
playoffs in Pittsburgh, the rematch game. But now Pittsburgh's going
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to play everyone.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
And you remember how.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Cleveland jumped off killed them, I mean just coobret them.
And yes, Pittsburgh came back then through it about five
hundred times. The numbers looked good, the score looked better,
but Cleveland colobret them in that ball game. So he
had better fortune. But you remember how it flipped on him,
and and and until someone can really prove me wrong
on this one, I hold to my opinion that Baker
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Mayfield lost his job in Cleveland by trying to be
old school tough guy and played through injury because he did.
You remember how hurt he was last year in Cleveland.
They played through all this, shouldered Ridge all this. He's
never should have been answering the bell. He answered the bell,
all the time, and I felt like it held it
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against him. They absolutely held it against him. Yeah, yeah,
he can't buy Rother and he goes it doesn't work
great in Carolina, speaking of dysfunction. That was dysfunctional because
that Matt rule gets fired. Steve Wills, Everything's just gone haywire.
And then he has that Thursday night Las Vegas? Was
it in Las Vegas? Wasn't it? The Rams and the
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Raiders or whatever? He shows up on a Tuesday, Kirkkurtree.
He gives us the great story that he actually was
in town less time than I was in and plays
like man and with sew McVay. Okay, notice the name
we're using Mark Sean McVay. Short time with the Rams.
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I opined that if he didn't get a starting opportunity
the next year, you should re sign with the Rams
because you get better being around Sean McVay. He got
the opportunity with Tampa, and you remember everybody was like, hey,
it's quarterback competition, Baker Mayfield, Kyle traft I laughed, how
I got sick. I was like, what competition are you
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people talking about? Like, well, Kyle traft I said, this
is not a competition. This is a coronation and Baker Mayfield,
we're going to beat him down. This is not gonna know.
And we've seen what's happened since then. He finally found
the right place. For the reason I brought up to
Sean McVay, where did Kevin o'connll come out of mc
(12:51):
all right? Who saw who were who were who were
great buddies? Wait along one Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan,
same staff and Washington under J Gruden. There's a lot
of connective threads. And all I'm saying is if you're
a quarterback and you're trying to resurrect, if you're an
agent and you don't say, okay, we're my connective threads
in this league in a place to put my guy
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to try and get him right, and if you don't
go to the McVay Shanahan type tree, then I think
you're missing the boat.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Good point, really good point.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
That being said, we knew going into the season the
Seahawks defense was going to be top five, top six.
I think they've even better than advertised, Charles, When you
look at this team, is this the best defense we've
seen here in Seattle since the legion of boom Era.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Why or why not?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, I think it is. I think it is. And
it's because you have the right fit of people and
you don't have a ton of people that are just
overwhelming you when you talk about, oh, we got that guy, Like,
think about how the fan thread that's made about the
Parson Michael Parsons deal. Is there anyone on the Seattle
defense that we're putting in that category?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
No at all. But we're also not putting a bunch
of you know, one of my old coaches, not a
bunch of slappies out there either. Now, these are good
football players, but they are football players who want to
win football games. Okay, they're about winning games. They're not
about Okay, I gotta get my ten sacks or I
got to get this, or I gotta get that. What
do I have to do coach in this defense for
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this thing to work and for us to win games?
And you're seeing that cohesiveness happen even when guys go
out of the game, right, even when guys aren't playing
that next man up mentality. These guys understand, accept their roles,
play to play it to the best of their ability
and play it so that hey, one day maybe I'll
have a bigger role. But for right now, this is
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what they're asking me to do. Okay, cool and all
they go and they really work quite well together. I
just think, Mark, if they get them all healthy at
one time and get a five year rep I mean
five game rip of guys, oh my, I mean, there's
gonna be something new. This is where division is. History
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always happens when when people, hey, you know, you know,
I really thought Seattle in preseason blah blah blah. I
did not say Seattle in preseason. What I did say
is the team that intrigues me the most in the
West is Seattle because if we get the version of
if we get in the version of Darnold that we
saw for most of the time in Minnesota with Mike
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McDonald and what he already has going on defense, I
think that they have a chance in that division to
be pretty darn good. Because we had to see if
San Francisco could bounce back, right They had a million injuries,
and this year they're playing through the injuries in an
amazing way. The Rams we knew had hit that stage
where they're going to be pretty good a year in
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and year out, right, if they're at that level. Sean McVay,
when was the last time we heard him have angst
about coaching. It's been a few years now, right, Yeah,
we don't get this offseason the should I coach and
I go to TV. That's done. He's all locked in
and that team to that level. And Arizona was our
major wildcard this year. Major wildcard because you remember they
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were Seattle team that went to Arizona last year in December.
Arizona was leading the division at the time, and if
Seattle went in there and jumped them, and that changed
the fortunes of everybody in the in the NFC West.
In Seattle and Arizona couldn't keep face. We thought coming
into this season that Arizona had a good chance to
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make that jump in that next level, and they haven't.
They're hoping they'll get a springboard out of Monday night
against Dallas.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Charles Davis from cbscre on MJ in the midday, Charles,
you look at the trade that John Schneider made yesterday
Rashid Shahed. They gave a fourth and a fifth rounder.
I think it obviously improved the team. Was that a
little too much compensation to give up for Rashid Shahed.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
No, I don't think so, because because of worry helped
you in multiple places tour. R Horton has come on
already for you to to help continue to open things
up at a deeper level. You know that in his
college career he was tracking towards being more like a
second round pick, and then he had the injury, ends
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up going in the fifth and I thought, oh, he's healthy,
putting again himself with steel. Shaheed is a different body type,
but a similar player to Horton to get deep, catch
the football, make plays after the catch, and hurt too
in the return game. Now he got a whole nother
another weapon that way. And because of his body type,
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you've seen Shaheed. He wears that twenty two. That's an
old running backs number. He looks like a running back
in a lot of ways. He does. See him coming out,
see him coming on jet sweeps. I think that the
point Kubiak could do with him. I don't think of
four and five too much to give up for a
guy with use talent. You can have him for a while,
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and let's face it, a big game hunting right now
in Seattle This is not about, hey, can we win
the division make the playoffs. This is about let's win
the division, make the playoffs, and let's do some damage
in the playoffs. And this is not a pipe dream.
This isn't a wishing hoping it can be. So it's real,
it's legitimate. The Colts did the same thing, and the
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Colts compensation very similar to what the Rams did years
ago for Jalen Ramsey. And I'm not saying that's the
only move, but the bleep them picks T shirt right,
let's need and crew, right, yeahp them pick. We're reissuing
it now in Colts colors because that's where they are.
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The similar compensation, sauce goes in there, and now you
have a chance to own the division that's supposed to
be Houston. But Houston, they're struggling so much on offense.
We don't know about that. Jacksonville came back to the
pack pretty quickly Indianapolis this week against Atlanta in Berlin,
Mark is a major game for them because Pittsburgh jumped
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them last week. A ton of pressure in the face
at Danny Dimes give me and Danny Jones, right, It's
almost almost like the balloon popped. I don't believe so.
I think he's having a heck of a year and
I think he's going to continue to be good, and
I think so William Nianapolis. But they're playing in an
Atlanta team that's blitzing almost fifty percent of the time,
So the same type of pressure will be in his
(19:24):
face in Berlin. If Indianapolis handles that pressure and Sauce
plays well for them, I think that they assent to
the next level too. And then that trade that they
made for Sauce, you start to think to yourself, this
trade could pay off in bigger ways than just simply
winning a division.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Charles Davis from CBS Sports, Charles, I've often admired from
a far and previous stops, just the talent evaluation and
assessment from the outside looking in of John Schneider. Well,
now he's the man in charge, and I just got
to ask you, let's just go back to arch Uh.
(20:01):
They got into a contract negotiation with Geno Smith, Seahawks
didn't want to pay him what he was asking for.
Prior to that, they trade dk Metcalf their one to
Pittsburgh for a second round pick. Then they trade Geno
Smith to the Raiders for a third round pick. How
much did those moves attribute to where this team is
(20:22):
right now, not only today Charles on November fifth, but
moving forward in the future. On John Schneider being prescient
playing as Denzel said in training Day, he's playing chess
at zeckers, right, how do.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
How do we look at John Schneider playing chess?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Well, the rest of the league, well, not everybody, but
a lot of teams are playing checkers.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Well, if you're going to go training day, King Kong, yeah,
all right, we're going to go there, right, Yeah, but okay,
let me make sure I'm getting it all. Walk me
through it, okay, DK Metcalf Yep. What that deal. What
that move did was make sure that Jackson Smith and
jig But would be wide receiver one and you supplement
around him and you've seen how he's flourished, and take
(21:11):
it off and ascend it to the upper echelon of receivers.
That was a great move for that Gino Smith. They
liked Gino, but remember Gino was whose guy, Pete's guy.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yep, right, And.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
It wasn't that he didn't want to play for Mikey
Likee planning for Mike, but at the same time, at
those numbers, what exactly do we get with him? The
sense I got was John Schneider said, this is our
ceiling with Gino. I think that Sam Donald can give
us more. And it was willing to take the gamble
(21:43):
to do that, because a lot of times what we
do with people we sign them because we're afraid, well,
if we don't sign him and it goes backwards, where
we'll look terrible. Josh Eider wasn't afraid to make that move.
He's like, no, I have a conviction that this quarterback
can take us farther, even though I know what I'm
getting out of the previous quarterback, and I like it.
(22:04):
He took the gamble right, put it out there and
went especially at the numbers that he was willing to do.
You have to make those types of moves and have
the fort two to do it if you believe the
other people are in place, or you're going to put
a person in place to take you farther, and you're
willing to risk it not working in order for it
(22:24):
to happen. Because imagine if we were sitting here right
now in Seattle with three and five or two and
six or what have you? DK? Metcalf, we traded to
do right? Everybody be calling you right now, tray with Metcalf.
We let Gino go which night are doing? But you
have to have the fortitude to take that shot because
(22:44):
playing it safe works. Hey, you don't you find a
way with DK, Hey, you find a way with Gino?
Not many people are gonna fault you, right, but he
saw bigger and he went for it. And boy, di
has that worked out for him?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
No doubt? Where are you headed to this weekend?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Headed back to Miami? Bills are coming?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (23:12):
You know the natural thing is, hey, is this a
trap game for Buffalo after beating Kansas City and what
have you? Josh Allen's fourteen and two in his career
against Miami mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
And James Cook is coming home to where he starred
in high school football, Plantation American Heritage High School.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
So that's a you know, hey.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
We saw another guy who had a home coming last
Thursday night, Lame Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
How that work out pretty good for him? Uh?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Pretty good? And don't forget all the same Thomas Aquinas guys.
Oh boy, who's coming back? And you know they've got
a bunch of people on that Buffalo team that have
those Florida ties and happy to get there. But I
was reminding people the other day the Bosa family tree,
oh Dad for Dad, first round pick, Joey, first round pick,
brother Nick, first round pick. Cousin Eric Komero out of
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Ohio State picked with the Dolphins. Air Koomro's son Jake.
Remember he was Aaron Rodgers' favorite target for a while
in Green Band. I drafted free agent. They had some
nice run in the NFL. That is all the same.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Family, amazing, unbelievable. Charles.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Always great to talk to you and hear your voice.
Let's do it again soon and then later. And if
I don't talk to you before Thanksgiving, have a great
one to you and your family. And I know it's
got to be tough this time of the year. Down
to sunshine, stay brave in that weather.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yeah, you know it's tough, Mark, but I'm gonna do
it for you if everyone else, Thanks for giving. Thank
you for giving me the courage to do so. Thank
you soon, Happy Thanksgiving to you and everyone else.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
All right, you too, CD.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
We appreciate Charles Davis from CBS Sports right here, factor
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Speaker 2 (24:47):
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Speaker 2 (25:12):
This game is so.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Easy I could I could pretty much guarantee it.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
It's it's like, it's that easy.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
And I actually try to save my best picks for
picking the locks every Friday night with Lee Sterling. But
I'm gonna give you one early here, and you're I'm
gonna tell you bet it now, thank me later. Not
only fact it, but you need to bet this now
and thank me later.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
This is so this is such an easy pick.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I'd gone through the numbers Baltimore Ravens in Minnesota, and
I had some of you people last week on the
text line when I went over on Vikings Lions, Oh,
Brian Flores defense and this that and the other. JJ McCarthy,
it went over, how about this game? Daddy's back Lamar
Jackson the two time, two time, two times, I'm MVP.
(26:02):
He goes on the road with Lamar, there's points on
the season even without Lamar. Here's the great part about Baltimore.
They score a lot, but they give up even more
because their defense sucks because their best defensive coordinator they've
had since the guy by the name of Rex Ryan
named Mike McDonald, is no longer there. That's why their
(26:24):
defense sucks. Out of eight games, six overs, they're in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Oh what is Minnesota on the year?
Speaker 1 (26:31):
In eight games, seven overs, you have an eighty one
percent chance to hit the over on this game, bingo
forty nine. I don't care if it was fifty nine.
This is gonna go over way over. I feel like
I'm giving away a great pick that I should be
waiting for picking the locks, but I'm gonna do it today.
I'm gonna guarantee this game. I'm gonna guarantee it. Ravens
(26:56):
Vikings over forty nine. Text if you agree in fact
four nine, four to five to one. I'm not even
gonna tell you if you disagree. If you disagree, don't
text in anything because you're wrong, because it's you could
only text in fact four nine four to five one.
I'm I'm putting a triple guarantee on this game not
(27:16):
only over forty nine, way over. Bet it now, wait
for it, thank me later, and cash that ticket. Ravens
Vikings over forty nine text in fact to four nine,
four to five one. There's no other option. Don't don't
(27:37):
text in it all if you if you disagree, you're
gonna be wrong. It's gonna go so over they're gonna
light it up. I guarantee both teams by halftime are
gonna be near the game total of forty nine at
the half. Great thing with the Ravens they score a
lot and they give up a lot. That's an over
dream four nine, four to five to one. Text in fact, bingo, boom,
(28:00):
there we go. Don't forget. Steve Weish is coming up
at the top of the hour. NFL Networks chief national
reporter will talk to him about.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
What does this mean?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
What does this mean for the Seahawks getting Rashid Shahed?
What does that mean? A former teammate, how about this
one calls out? It's ty Reese Halliburton. Find out who
and what he said. Coming up next, Steve Weisch will
go real in depth on the Hawks and what they did.
(28:34):
You got another ten minutes to text in fact to
four nine four or five to one over Ravens Vikings
forty nine four nine four five one fact. Don't go
anywhere the media taking one thing blowing it up into
something else. It's been happening ever since the dawn of
(28:54):
time and former Pacers spent his entire career there until
leaving a go to Milwaukee. Mile Turner a great player, tough,
big guy, can shoot it, put the ball on the floor.
Just a guy that you could count on for a
decade straight. Uh well, he said something that got misconstrued
about his former teammate Tyrese Halliburton.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
He makes it hard on himself to root for him
just because of the way. But as a competitor, Bro,
you gotta respect the way he rocks like. He's one
of those guys. If he is on your team, you
love him, right, you love him. Yeah, he goes against
your team that he could just look at look the
wrong way at the camera and it irritates you. I
can see that, Bro, I just feel like one. Tyrese. Also,
(29:38):
he knows he's protected too, so he can go out
there and talk, say whatever the hell he wants to do,
and then you know he knows he has back up
at the end of the day. Now, he's not gonna
be talking the same if you're in the middle of
the street or whatever.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Trying to say, like we all meet each other now.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Obviously mind you will engaged most of the time, but
like when we meet each other outside of you know, you.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Know, everybody's showing, like everybody's likely.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
But it's like, Bro, it's a brother hid Man. There's
only four hundred and fifty of us. There's only five
thousand of us all time.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
We learned that an episode last year, maybe like around
winter time last year we were going through.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I forgot how it came up, and I looked at it.
I had to like triple check the numbers.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
On the court, like, yeah, of course they're trying to
bust like I'm trying to bust your ass, is how
it is. But off the floor, man, I want you
to win, bro, Like I think it's amazing that like
one that you've made it to this league. But too, Bro,
I want you a family to be straight. I want
you to get as much money out of that you can.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I don't think I've ever heard Miles Turner talk that
was the first son so he was on with Jannis's
brother what's his name, I can't pronounce it, Fanastis, that's right,
who a lot of people have said was the worst
player in the NBA until Bronnie James came along.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
He Wonassus Brownie, Right. Well, I'd go with the Nasis.
But it's an interesting thing. And I don't think anything
that was said there about Tyree Saliburton was wrong.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
He is a guy that you love if he's on
your team, and if he's not, you do want to
smack him. You can't stand you can't stand him. And
he has a very Pete Davidson punch it. You just
want to punch his face. He's a good looking guy too,
so that's probably another reason there. Ladies love him. So
he's got that going for him. And he can play.
(31:14):
He can play. I mean, I just remember the draft.
I'll never forget it. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
And it's like.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I used to say this about Bill Belichick when I
was on the air in WI in Boston, and I
could say it about the Knicks for so many years.
They're sitting there on the clock, sitting there on the clock,
could have had Haliburton. It took Obe Topping a couple
of years prior to that. Oh, we could go on
(31:47):
and on and on.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
They took.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Frank Lakina over Bam out A Bio and Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Oh, don't forget that one. And this is the best one.
This is the one that takes them all.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
They took Kevin Knox in the lottery out of Kentucky
over his teammate. Maybe you've heard of this guy, Shaye
gilgis Alexander, which to me says, I am better at
evaluating talent than people who are getting paid to be
a general manager in the NBA. I said, they will
(32:25):
rue the day they passed on Halliburton. And guess what happened.
He goes to Sacramento. He's there at Daron Fox Day,
trade him in Indiana for Sabonis. Now Daron Fox goes
to San Antonio, and Haliburton's gonna haunt the Nicks for
the rest of his career except this year because he's
done for the year. I literally I watch wal to
(32:49):
Wall college basketball. By the way, speaking of great thing
last night, the first ever Dick Fital Invitational. You can't
say first annual because annual only means it can be
the second, but the first ever last night between Duke
and Texas.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Great event.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Dick was on the broadcast with my former colleague at Nessen,
Dave O'Brien, who calls the Red Sox games. He also
does college basketball in the off season on ESPN and
J Billis and Dick did a great job.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
He did a great job.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
And Carlos Boozer's son, Cam Boozer is the real deal.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
You know, it's amazing to me. Kid.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
There's two people that succeeded goats in college sports in
the last four years. Calin de Boor at Alabama. Nick
Saban looks like he's right of the ship. Looks like
that they had, They're back on course, They're back where
they should be. They're bam again. And John Schier at
Duke taking over for the goat coach K Mike Krzyzewski.
(33:47):
You could make an argument that even since coach K left,
the talent level is even better. And remember in his
last few years he had Pollo, he had Zion, he
had RJ.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Barrett.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I mean, I give those guys credit. Man John Shire
thirty eight years old, he's at Bett a Duke. I
think it's his fourth or fifth year killing it, absolutely
killing it. So it was great to see college basketball
is in full effect. And folks, I will tell you
next year's NBA Draft is going to be Banana Land.
(34:21):
It is gonna be so freaking amazing CoA, Pete, Darius Acuff,
Cam Boozer, Caleb Wilson, Darren Peterson, AJ Debonsa. It is
gonna be Nate Amen are a men from Tennessee. It
is gonna be sick. Next year's NBA draft cannot wait.
(34:43):
But this year in college basketball is gonna be great.
You know what else is gonna be great? Steve Weisch,
NFL Network chief national reporter. We got him coming up
next right here, MJ in the midday. Christopher Kidd, don't
go in it.
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