November 6, 2025 • 42 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Back on MJ in the Midday with Christopher Kidd here
on Sports Radio ninety three to three KJRFM, Seattle sports leader,
the guy we speak to every week. He's there. He's
always there at Renton Lumen, you name it, on the road.
He went out to there at whatever they call it
now used to be known as FedEx Field. On Sunday Night,
Mike Dugar from The Athletic does a tremendous podcast with
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our own Christopher Kids Seahawks Man to Man. Listen to
it wherever you find podcasts. So, Mike, before we get
to Rashichi heat and the trade and everything, I want
to get your thoughts on Sunday night overall, what was
your assessment of the Seahawks performance and it looked like
a major statement.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, yeah, I think the statement was just the time
of the game. You know, they've had some pretty some
good wins under mac MacDonald.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
But when you just do it in prime time for
the third year, and excuse me, for the third game
in a row, I think that you start to put
the league un notice there and not just like they'll
pun the into do power rankings on Tuesdays.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
You know, I just think the whole world is watching.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
That includes your opponents, includes other execs, just whatever, other
other coaches. Everyone is watching when you just put the
put the hurting on somebody you know on national TV.
So now they've won on what Monday night football, they
won on Thursday night football, They've won on Sunday night
football against the Commanders. I just I think that matters,
you know, I do. It matters for some markets more
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than the others. You know, a city like Seattle, I
seem like Jacksonville, you know, the Chargers sometimes, particularly when
they were in San Diego. I just think that, you know,
you really got to show who you are when everyone's watching,
because the.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Reality is most people are not, you know, other than
like for fantasy.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Reasons, you know, when you play at you know, one
o'clock Pacific time on Sunday afternoons.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
So yeah, they dominated in a way that they've in
ways that have been pretty stable week to week.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
You know, Sam Donald throws it well, Jackson's always open,
you can't really score many points on this defense. Those
things are pretty constant every week. And the fact that
they continue to be a home road you know, Bucks
game notwithstanding, is a really good sign of where the
team is under Mike McDonald at where it's going.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I'm glad everyone got to see that Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Night, Mike, Sam Donald, you mention him. He like the
late great wrestler, mister perfect Kurt Heading. That's what he
was at halftime on Sunday night. He was just unbelievable.
Sixteen of sixteen, two hundred and eighty two yards, four
touchdowns and at that point a perfect QB rating of
one pin fifty eight point three. Two of those touchdowns
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going to Tory Horton, one to my guy from the
U Elijah Royal, catching his first touchdown in the NFL.
Sam Donald, I didn't have We had Lewis Rick on
Mike the day after the game and I asked him,
Sam Donald, MVP candidate and he said absolutely, Like, are
you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
So didn't have this on my Bengo card.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Mike and his level right now, when you look at
Sam Darnold, does he just continue to get better in
your eyes?
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I mean I think he and Kat Kubiak just continue
to get more comfortable with how teams are going to
attack them, you know, how they're going to try to
take away Jackson, particularly in the passing game. Obviously with
Sam that's where it's most important. I think that that
just stands out week to week. It's really hard to
fluster them. It took a really good Texans defense to
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do that even a little bit, and they still score
twenty seven points. You know, I'm the best defense of football.
So yeah, I mean MVP is gonna be tough. I
was looking at the odds. I think, I bet MGM
this is who we have a partnership with at the Athletics,
So I'm a company man here. I think he's like
fifth or sixth something like that. Guys like Stafford are
ahead of him. Drake may tak Lamar Jackson's creeping back
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in there, which doesn't surprise me. Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes
had the MVP battle up there in Buffalo on Sunday.
But the fact that Sam's in the conversation, I think
that that's really notable. You got to win the division though,
to win to win MVP, and that you look at
the standings, that is no guarantee because Matt Staffer, everything
that applies to Sam Donald and the Seahawks applies to
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Matt Stafford and those Rams.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Right now, two guys playing really really really a good ball.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Feeding their receivers, taking care of the football generally. But yeah,
Sam's playing about as good as anybody that I just named.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
When we look back at Sam Donald and last year
was his coming out party, but a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Including me, we had doubts.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Oh, Kevin O'Connell puppet, Kevin O'Connell's system quarterback.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Now we're seeing is it possible? Right now?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I'm thinking you juxtaposed? But forget about the numbers. I mean,
at one point last year, I believe the Vikings won
nine in a row, so they just had an historic
run last year. But Sam Donald himself, is it more
impressive what he's doing under Clint Kubiak then being in
that Kevin O'Connell ecosystem that just can produced successful results
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no matter who he puts it there, including JJ McCarthy.
Is it more impressive right now what Sam Donold's doing
this year than he was last year?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I don't know about more impressive, just because Kubiak system
kind of comes from the Shanahan, which kind of comes
from because Dad, which is it's a QB friendly system
just like Kevin O'Connell's is they just.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Go about it a little differently.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Kevin used to be an assistant under Sean McVay, who
runs a very QB friendly thing, which is why we've
seeing multiple cues. And Shawn's gone to the Super Bowl
with two different quarterbacks, right, you know of Stafford and Golf,
so two QB friendly systems. I think that the supporting
cast was better in Minnesota, although I think the supporting cast.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Is pretty good here too.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I think Sam just falls into a bucket several quarterbacks
to which just don't get the opportunity. You know, you
give him a guy who can get open. That guys
has like legit gravity like Jackson has, and you're give
him good pass protection or throw the ball on time.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I mean just generally there, I feel like there's a
lot of guys like.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
That, but they don't get put in the circumstances because
it's hard to field a good offensive line.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I think Jered Goff is very similar.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
You know, he's had like borderline MVP ish numbers before.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
You know, now on two different teams.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Why because he gets good offensive lines and then he
gets guys who can you know, get open at really
high levels. So I'm on rawan Detroit Cooper Cup and
Robert Woods in La So.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I think Sam falls into that too, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
And the problem is you get these guys who get
drafted so high and they get thrown into situations.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Where everything's bad.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
The old line's bad, sometimes the coach is bad, the
play callers bad, the receivers need to grow and develop,
and not everyone's equipped to just be thrown into that fire.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Sometimes it's like, Okay, I need to be iving the quarterback.
I need to be the last piece you plug in,
not one of the first ones.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
They're on the rebuild.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And I think that's where Sam is benefiting. And Baker
Mayfield I think has benefited from some of that in
Tampa as well. It's like they had the infrastructure, you
PLoP Baker in there, and what do you know, he
puts up borderline MVP numbers. You know, Jalen hurts the
same thing. He's not a guy who's probably carrying a
bad team. If you put a great offensive line in
front of him, in some good path catchers, well we'll.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Put up borderloinede MVP numbers. Dack too.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
So I think it's more so than whether it's impressive
in last year, which stands out It's like, this is.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
The lesson fans and GMS.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
And coaches to take away from Sam Donald's success and
Genoe Smith even before him in Seattle. The ecosystem has
to be strong for all of these guys, right with
the exception like Josh and Mahomes. The ecosystem needs to
be good, and when it is, there's a lot of
guys who can play good football.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I don't think the ecosystem needs to be great with Lamar.
I think Lamar can impost his will as well. I
think he's one of those guys that you put up
there with Mahomes and Josh Allen that he can make
things happen. I mean, yeah, it doesn't hurt to have
Mark Andrew's a Flowers, Derrick Henry, but you know, Lamar
is him. I mean, he's back, he's sorry. Like you said,
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in the MVP race, they're on the They were the
odds on favorite before they won. On Thursday night in Miami,
they were the odds on favorite who in the NFC
North and they had like five losses. So that tells
you the greatness that is Lamar Jackson. What else did
you glean from Sunday Night defensively, Leonard Williams is it
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is it possible that he's aging like a fine wine
like Kim Kardashian, he's getting better with age because I'm
looking at him right now and I'm like, he's starting.
I want to say, Warren Sap ninety nine Defensive Player
of the Year, but it's it's Warren Sap oh two thousand,
two thousand and one, two thousand and two, and we
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all know what happened at in two with number ninety nine.
He took him to a Super Bowl. So is Leonard
Williams right now? And can we.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Talk about him maybe being Defensive Player of the Year candidate?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, sure. I haven't looked at those those numbers.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I don't know who else is is in there, but yeah,
I mean, you got you gotta play on the on
a great defense for starters, so that'll limit that unfortunately.
Emphasis on unfortunately would eliminate someone like Miles Garrett, who
is easily playing the best ball any defender in the league,
but it's on one of the worst teams, uh in
the league. He signed up for that, so I don't
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feel that bad for him. But in terms of awards, yeah,
if you're scratching him out of there. Then yeah, that
leaves you with guys like Leonard, guys like the Forrest Buckner.
I quietly like a guy like Derrick Brown in Carolina's
playing super well. But yeah, Leo, the thing about these
one with defensive tackles right, how they can play into
their thirties, play at a high level is their their
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thing is that it's not predicated on speed and stuff
like that, and like just pure athleticism. It's really just
grown men ball that you're playing there.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
It is. I'm stronger than you.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I know tendencies. I can tell when your your center
is leaning this way that it's an outside and round.
I can tell when this happens that you know your
guard is pulling.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
All that stuff is just reps.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
You know, you could be thirty one and pick up
on that, thirty two and pick up on that.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
That's how Jay Reid's playing high level ball too.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
So I think, yeah, Leonard's Leonard's playing as well as
pretty much any defender outside.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Of Miles Garrett.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Jeffrey Simmons unfortunately probably gets wiped from that convo too
down in Tennessee because his team is also buns. You though,
he's playing really well. Will Anderson's playing good ball over
in Houston on the on the best defense in the league.
Jared Verus playing good ball again. But yeah, I think
Leonard very much like Sam.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
It's just right in the in the mix.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
The Seas actually have a lot of guys who are
just in the mix for the accolades. Jackson's in the
mix for Offensive Player of the Year. You know, Indie
fans will probably tell you it's Jonathan Taylor. But both
sides have a good argument, right, They're both just in
the mix, you know, and I think that's good. You know,
that's what that's what contenders look like. You know, even
though we mentioned that Lamar hasn't always had a great
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support and cast up there and still ball it out.
There's been multiple seasons where they've had like eight or
nine Pro Bowlers on those Raven squads, you know, between
special teams offense and defense. So it's like they have
a lot of guys who are in the mix.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You know, the Seahawks would.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Regularly in their heyday with Pete Carroll would have like
five six Pro bowlers, you know that and multiple guys
in the mix. And that's where the Seahawks are right now, Jacks, Like,
if Jackson is in there, I think Gray's Abel is
playing at a pro Bowl level. I think Ernest Jones,
hopefully his knee is okay, he's playing at a pro
Bowl level. Among NFC linebackers, I think Kobe Bryant is
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playing at a pro Bowl level.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Torey Horten's returning.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
The ball on punts at a pro bowl level. Like,
all these guys are in the mix, and that's why
the Seahawks are so good.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Mike Dugar from the Athletic also does this great podcast
with our own Christopher Kid every week Seahawks Man and Man.
These guys break down the film The All twenty two.
I can tell you that much. Jaysen, you mentioned him
just another day at the office, Mike. One thing, I
was a little upset on my player prop bet at Muckleshoe, CA.
See resort. He didn't get a touchdown. He had a
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touchdown I believe in like four straight games. But nonetheless,
eight catches on nine targets for one hundred and twenty
nine yards leads the NFL and receiving.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I threw out that big number. I threw out that
big number I know.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
A lot of people were like, I don't know, it's
a little, but he's got over nine hundred plus yards receiving.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
We're not even a halfway mark.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
We could be looking at the two k mark we
get down of week seventeen and all that. But JSN,
what can you say about him?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Mike?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And you did you truthfully? And I know you're nothing
but truthful. Before the season see him being this great.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
No, I knew he'd have the talent to just be
a really good receiver, you know, maybe borderline All Pro,
depending on who's healthy. I would have predicted like Pro Bowl,
just because I would have I forget how many receivers
make All Pro, but I would have just imagined and
penciling in Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase like right there
and shoot, they.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Still could be in that congo. So I thought it
would be hard for Jacks to get the volume.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I knew that the offense would be run heavy, so
I just didn't think he'd have the raw numbers to
be talking about being on pace for two k, which
he is on.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Pace for two thousand.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
But I think the reason he's the way he's doing
it is unsurprising to me, you know, having watched him
at Ohio State. I mean, I tell people when they
asked me about him these days, my first time watching
Jackson Smith and jig but play football was the Rose Bowl, Right,
we had three hundred and forty seven yards and like
three touchdowns or something. So when he puts up gaudy numbers,
the numbers don't necessarily take me aback, because the first
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time I saw him, I thought he was like football Jesus.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I was like, how is he doing this? Who is
this kid? All right? So I knew he had the talent.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And then when going back and watching his film at
Ohio State when they drafted him, I thought that their
oc was really creative with how they used him. It's
very similar to some of the stuff we're seeing now.
He wasn't just lining up outside the numbers and running
go balls and jumping over people.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You know, he was operating from the slot.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
He was operating from or from out of the backfield,
you know, like he's doing now. You know, he caught
a long ball from the backfield on Sunday night, you know,
the one that set.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Up their field goal.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I think before the first half that was out of
the backfield, you know, and it's just it's hard to
account for that. You know, what do you do when
Jackson lines up in the backfield next to Ken Walker?
Do you put a linebacker over there, you bring the
safety down, you have your nickel garden.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You know.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It kind of neutralizes teams that you know, like when
they go play Indianapolis, they line up Jackson the backfield.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
What are the Colts going to do with Sauce Gardner? Right,
they cut them up at the line. Well, okay, cool,
what Sauce at the line?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Well what if we.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Run it now?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Now Sauce is in the run fit, you know, like
I love I love Sauce. He shouldn't be in no
run fits, right, So no early downs. So I think
that it just creates this this math problem and this
personnel problem each week. And that's what I meant earlier
when I mentioned Koubiak, and those guys are doing a
good job kind of staying ahead of how teams are
going to attack them, because you know the conventional ways
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like oh, this guy is killing it, this receiver, We're
gonna put our best guy on him. We're gonna double him.
You can't double a guy from the slot that easily.
You can't double a guy from the backfield that easily.
You can't double a guy who motions across the formation
that easily. You know, the last guy from that was
on pace for two k I think it was Tyreek
Hill a couple of years ago. It was the same thing.
They're emotioning them, putting them in the backfield, and you
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just you just couldn't bracket that every week. So I
think that Jackson's skillset is very unique. Only a few
guys have it. And that's why every week, even though
the offense, excuse me, the defense dedicates all this time
to trying to stop them, they just don't.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Mike Dagar a excellent points by you, Rashid Shihed. That's
the deal that the Seahawks made yesterday. I like it,
Kid and I, you know, were on the air as
it happened, and I started to just digest it a
little much, a little too much over twenty four hours.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
And Mike a.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Fourth and a fifth rounder. I would have been cool
with a fifth rounder. Is that too much for a
guy who's a rental is a free agent at the
end of the year, or does that just make sense?
Under this is what John Schneider does, and we'll see
if he can fit in. If he does, we'll recite
him like Ernest Jones and Leonard Williams. Or did they
I don't know. I listened the national people that like
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they loved it a fourth and a fifth rounder like
Tory Horton was a fifth rounder. I mean, did they
give up too much for Rashichi eid or what did
you think about the deal?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah? I thought they kind of gave up a little
bit too much.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
First, if Cup is healthy, right, because then you neither
just made a cup your what you probably just made
cup like your third receiver, or you've just traded for
a third receiver, and you push Toy.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Horton down to your fourth receiver. And I don't agree
with doing any of that.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Like, I think that this really only makes a ton
of sense if cups they found out its hamstring, or
their fear at least that his hamstring is going to
be a long term problem, which and easy we could
thirty two years.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Old, I played a lot of ball, plays really hard.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
You know, if he has a bad handmaid has to
miss some time, that's perfectly understandable.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Julian loves on ir.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Now right, he hasn't played since I think September thirtieth,
So I get that. If that's the case, then yeah,
that's that's fine. I think they need a number three
in that case, and if they want Toy to stay
their number three, they want Shaheed to be the number three.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
That's cool. I think that all adds up.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
But otherwise they Yeah, they spent those draft picks. Whether
they're returning him or not, I guess to be could
create a logjam. They didn't need to create a logjam
at you know, but I think long term, you maybe
are introducing a scenario where he move on from Cup
because you can get out of his deal in February
and maybe just roll with Shaheed, Horton and JSN, you know,
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guys who would all be under thirty.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I think Tory just turns twenty three this month.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Jackson is twenty three and she needs twenty seven, so
you'd get a little younger, redistribute that money and go forward.
But I think the other part that why I thought
they paid a little more than I thought they would
have needed to, is they.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Only have four picks left. Mark. They got first round pick,
second round pick, third round pick, and sixth round pick
at twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
The last time they were this low one picks was
coming out of the twenty twenty season.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
They only had.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Four as well, and then they gave up one of
those to go get Gabe Jackson. Which is why that
twenty twenty one class, when he has three players and
as well as John Schneider's been drafting in the last
few years, it's just hard man with only four bytes
at the apple or three bytes at the apple, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
And I think that's where I looked at the compensation, like,
oh okay, like, what's what's wrong with cup? That was
the first thing. What's wrong with Cooper? Yeah, if you're.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Giving up two picks for a guy who's like your
number two maybe even your number three, you know, receiver.
So I'm agreeing with you on the compensation. Fineere she's
for what it's worth. I say, she's really good, Like
he will come in, he should impact them right away,
Like it wouldn't surprise me if his like first catch
with a touchdown. It really like he's a really good player.
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The talent is not the issue. But you know, you
don't look.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
At the trade just as the as the talent they acquired.
You have to give something up.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
What did you give up? And what's that worth it?
And I do think that's worth debating.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Mike Tugar and you kind of just broke it down.
They only have four picks in the next draft. I mean, Jesus,
the Jets have five first round picks in the next
two drafts. And now, Mike, what if after the season
Rieke Woland leaves compensatory pick there, maybe Boye mafe compensatory
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pick there.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, the comparatory picks get really tricky. You know.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
It's not as just simple as you lose a guy
he signs, you get a pick in the next draft,
which is what it would be like twenty twenty seven.
He has to sign for a certain amount Okay, he
has to play a certain amount of snaps, and then
you have to not sign as many guys as you
lose that factor into the competittory pick formula. For instance,
in this scenario, if they were to release cup Right,
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he would not factor into the compensatory pick formula if
he then goes and signs with someone for big money
because they released him, as opposed to let's say, can
Walker Reacan boy A all leave will even yes, and
they all go sign deals. You potentially could get fourth, fifth,
and sixth round compensatory picks in.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
If all three of those guys a sign big deals
or deals that have some value other than just minimums
and then be play a certain amount of snaps.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
That means they got to stay healthy as well the
next year, and then that's three guys you lose.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Right, You can't sign three guys in free agency yourself
because you cancel all those dudes out for the most part,
So compensatory stuff, it does happen, it doesn't matter, and
gms do think about that. The Ravens are famous for this,
but it's not guaranteed. It's not as simple as he
signs your heat. He walks signs with the Giants, gets
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thirteen million a year, So you get the fourth round
compensatory pick in twenty twenty seven. That can happen for sure,
but there's just no guarantee that that. There's a lot
of steps they gotta be taken before you get there.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I gotta tell you, I was actually relieved that they
did not.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Let go of Greek Wolland.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I think Greek Wollan is you just see the talent
and yeah, and by the way, I listen, that's a
BS penalty they called against him on Sunday night. Come on,
stop it. I'm a Miami Hurricane. Are you kidding me?
I grew up on that. It's the reason I fell
in love with the you, Mike. I mean, I grew
up on those teams where I mean we do gyrations
with the Blades brothers above people's heads. I mean, come on,
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he just stared at him and he got a penalty, Like,
get the hell out of here. I think Greek's gonna
make big plays down the stretch. I'm glad they held
on to him, and I think it's gonna bode well
after the deadline, Mike, does it change your mind?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
And here we are the Seahawks tied for first.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
With the Rams, huge game coming up a week from Sunday,
but they got another big game coming up on Sunday too.
We saw what the Cardinals did on Monday night in
Dallas to the Cowboys. So that being said, do you
feel now that the Seahawks today, Mike Dugard today are
the best team in the West? Are you still there's
a lot of football that needs to be proven before
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you go there.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, I think you can make an argument. I would
probably say the Rams and Seahawks are neck and neck.
They have things that may hold them back late in
the year. The Rams are pretty complete offensively. They run
the ball well enough like Super Elite or anything. This
isn't the Tom Gurley teams, but they do it enough
that it's a credible left hand, you know what I mean.
So you know, to make a boxing analogy, they can
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throw some jabs in there before Stafford and Puka and
Devanta hit you with the Haymaker right, So the Sea
don't have that. They are just Sam and Jacks is
their right hand and they just go their classic Mike
Tyson like the fight's over in a second because the
right hand is so strong, which is fine, but just
you watch boxing now. You can't just go in there
and knock the guy out in the third. It's not
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just how it works.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
You know. You've got to be able to get in
there and dance.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
A little bit and throw multiple punches. The Seahawks offense
does not throw multiple punches. And to make it bring
it back to football, they just throw the ball really
well and where they run the ball really poorly, and
that's just unsustainable. The Rams don't do that, where I
think that what makes them tied. Both the defenses are
really good. The Seahawks are quietly one of the best
special teams units in the NFL, depending on what Mexics
(23:28):
you want to use. The Rams are like below average,
and that does matter. We're seeing it all year at
Mark where teams there, whether it's a misfield goal, a
blocked field goal. We see multiple teams win on blocked
field goals this year, whether it's pump returns, whether it's
teams not taking advantage of the kickoff rules, their kickoff
returners not knowing these new like zone rules where the
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ball needs to land, like special teams matter is quite
a bit. You know, Seahawks blew that game open on Sunday,
Brandon Peelee forces a fumble, you know, like special teams
matters a lot. And I think that's where that the
rams most obvious setback is, whereas the Seahawks their most
obvious setback is their running game. So I think they're
both neck and neck. They're equally flawed to.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Me, and yeah, I want I don't want to look
past the Cardinals. I'm glad you brought them up.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
No, I know, feisty team. Yeah, they're I'm a big
point differential guy. The Cardinals are.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Three and five, but they're plus nine. Yeah. I mean
they've outscored their.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Opponents by nine points this year and that's playing two
different quarterbacks, you know, So they're not a bad team.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
They're feisty.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I do think the Seahawks are gonna win on Sunday,
but I don't think it's a walk in the park.
And if they look too far ahead too the Rams,
the Cardinals will come in here.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
And beat them. I can guarantee you that.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, Hey, speaking of you know the U my former
classmate on Monday Night, it's all about getting better with age.
Kalays Campbell had two sacks on Monday Night against Dak Prescott.
So I mean, listen, you know, Big nine to three
is still there twenty years into the league in counting,
and he can still play at a high level. And
they're pretty tough defensively. I mean there are Jonathan Gannon
(24:58):
coach defense, Mike Dugar obviously, you can listen to him
each here every week on MJ in the midday, and
he does a great job. Seahawks Man and Man Podcast
with Christopher Kidd from The Athletic Buy his book wherever
books are sold. Mike, I'll see you Sunday and we
will talk to you next week.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
My friend. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Tucky Le you got it, Mike Dagar, great spot. There By, Mike,
we will come back on the other side. What do
you say? Text of the Day four nine four five
one with Christopher Kidd. It's Mark James MJ in the
Midday Sports Radio ninety three three kJ RM from.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
The R and R Foundation Specialist broadcast studio. Now back
to MJ in the midday on your home for the
Huskies Cracking and the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three
point three kJ r FM.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Welcome back to MJ in the mid Day. I guess
I'll lead things off with voice non voice message. But
text four nine four five one. We got a few
earlier when MJ was discussing who are the teams in
the NFL that potentially could have a better future. I'd
add the Rams, Bill's Ravens, and even the Arizona Cardinals
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now that it seems like they're giving up on Kyler Murray.
Also the Colts Hugh Millen has always said, don't count
out Daniel Jones and because he was behind a terrible
offensive line, and so far it seems to be true.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
The Cardinals, you had me up until the Cardinals, even
with Jacobe Prissett, they're not coming back in this division.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
This is the best division in football.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
They're actually probably the best last place team in the NFL,
but they're not coming back in this division.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
This division is a three team division.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
But he's talking about for the future though, like you earlier,
in the future.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
You trust Jacoby Brissett. That's you, that's your quarterback. In
the future.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Probably not, but they can probably just go get a quarterback.
Hit It's not easy to just go get one and
develop them. That's the thing that that's the thing I
love about Seattle. We've got the GM, we've got the
head coach.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
We've got now a quarterback in a system on offense,
we have the defense. We got it all, and then
we have just this. These guys are young. JSN what's
a twenty four. You know you've got Tory Horton is
a fifth rounder. There's so many great things here. I'll
put it this way.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
If they can get a Jared Goff in the draft
and they get an offensive line, they'll be okay.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
But it takes time to develop.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Jared Goff was and Jared Goff until he got to Detroit,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
He was actually solid with the Rams. He just they
did get to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
You know.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
I just being great around him too, though.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
It's like the Raven can't just you know, to quote
Rick Bettino when he would sit when he got all
pissed off because the Boston media is so negative despite
the fact that he was the worst coach in Celtic's history.
Not name mL Carr, Robert Parrish, isn't walking through that door, folks,
Kevin McHale's not walking through that door, folks. Larry Bird's
not walking through that door, folks. If they do, they're
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gonna be gray and old. Well, I could say the
same thing about Baltimore. Ray Lewis isn't walking through that door, folks.
And Reed's not walking through that door, folks. Terrell Suggs
is not walking through that door, folks. And they do,
they're gonna be gray and old. And Ray I love you,
I love you fifty two. It's time to go home,
shave it all. Don't we wearing hats. Just dude, you
(28:39):
look great, bald, you will look great. I wish I
could go bald.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I wish I would look as great as you. Bald.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
You gotta go home, man, you gotta go home. You
gotta go home. It's just time to shave it.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Go home.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
That's what they say, you go home. You just gotta
shave it. I love Ray, but you gotta shave that thing.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Man.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
It's time.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
It's time.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
When you start, when your hairline starts getting to look
like Tony Kornheiser, Dick Fi Dall, it's time U MJ.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
I love you, bro.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But concerning Susie, I think you have a shallow how
thing happening?
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Oh really? Doctor? Do you think so? No? No, Well,
I'm just a normal guy.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I'm you know, I'm just somebody who appreciates the aesthetic
beauty of a goddess like Susie Cortes.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
More teams that potentially could have a brighter future. This
person says, Rams, Eagles, Bucks, bills, and Chiefs. I think
the only one that you didn't have with the RAM,
but I think everything else you covered right when you
made your selection, MJ.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
You had Bucks, Eagles, bills and Chiefs didn't have bills.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Oh you didn't have that only because their defense got
you their defense, And it's like it takes a long time. Now,
Bigdermott's a defensive type coach. He was a DC with
the Carolina Panthers, so I think he can get it fixed.
But you now they did to their credit, they drafted
every If you go back and look at their draft
last April, I think every pick was on defense. So
they're doing the right But now you got I mean,
(30:02):
Mike McDonald has taken Leonard Williams and Ernest Jones and
Mafe and Reeq and Emon Worrie and Spoon and he's
molded it into this freaking wrecking unit that is just
like I'll just tell you right now, you got about
six to seven organizations and that's about it. Who has
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maybe as good, if not a brighter future than the Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
I won't quite say the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yet because I got to see a larger sample size
with Drake may although he's having an MVP type season.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
If you don't believe me, look at the numbers. Uh
true that?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Uh so this guy texted back Lauren Sanchez is the
team version of Susie Cortez. In hindsight, the Bumbum is
top shelf, though on Cortes ten out of ten, yes
she is. Oh my lord, I would be so happy.
I would be if I could wake up every day
with Susie Cortez. It's like I wish I could be
Lionel Messi, not to be the great, one of the
(30:57):
great soccer players of all time, just because Susie Cortes
would be knowing I could have her at any time
in my entire life. That's how much she loves Messi.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Kid, Come on, just get a quarterback. You havect like
it's easy.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
I know it's not, but I will say this, like
Lewis Riddick said, it depends on the infrastructure around you.
Sam Donald's a perfect example. He didn't have a good infrastructure.
He was in with the Jets, who are a disaster
then and now, and they're ruining another quarterback that we
think can throw the football. We look at justin Field
and say he's probably an, okay, a good quarterback, just
(31:34):
as you would Sam Donald, and he's proven that he
can be elite.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Sam Donald's proven he can be one of the top quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
But it really starts with the infrastructure in which you
build in. Because I mentioned if Sam has the good
old line, which it ain't been great in the run game,
but it's been elite in the pass protection. What is
Sam doing. He's looking like one of the top three
quarterbacks in the league. I think Kyler Murray he can
pass the sniff test. He's a good quarterback for whatever reason.
Though it's not working in Area Zona.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
But he's had a seven year sample size now, but
it's it's not working. But but it is, and I
think a lot of it is on him. Maybe it is.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
I haven't sat down and watched everything that he's done,
but I will say maybe he flourishes three years from
on a different team.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
So he could because the talents there.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
So I'm not saying it's easy to get a quarterback.
But I'll tell you this, if you build around the
quarterback as the Seahawks did, I think it'll work out
for a lot of teams. But they don't do that.
They say, oh, they got Mark James, the number one
guy coming in. We'll just draft him with this crap
o line and we'll make it work.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
By the way, see Cam Mooreton love what I think
I think Cam's a good quarterback, right, he's a great
court I think he could be great, but he's on
a eightbage there you go, franchise, That's what I mean,
garbage franchise fired. Mike Vrabel, who probably is the NFL
Coach of the Year, came right now. You could flip
a coin between him and Shane Steichen with the Colts.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Right now. There those are the odds on favorites for
the NFL Coach of the year.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Nobody, and I mean nobody including me had the Patriots
and Colts at the top of their division in Week ten,
just saying, all right, what was MG's pick of the day.
I missed it after I stepped away for a minute.
Loved this show and his takes. I will go over
on the Ravens Vikings over forty eight and a half.
Over forty eight and a half Ravens Vikings. Yeah, kids,
(33:18):
someone else just kind of hit you at that, He goes, yeap,
just go grab.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
A quarterback easy, ps. I just explained it. I know
you did. You did not know you did. But let's
go through these wrapping. We don't have much time.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
On I'm would just wrap with this one, all right,
terrible towels are going to take over LA. But I
still believe in the pick. So I picked the charges
miss to an a, I believe in your pick. Someone, No, no, no,
they're the better team to the better team. They are
the better freaking team. All right, I'll ed not disagreeing
(33:48):
with you. But how is Herbert better than Darnald? You
could argue Herbert is worse in big games than Darnald
with a slightly bigger sample size.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
By the way, good point. You're not wrong. You're not wrong.
If you could eat your favorite food the rec of
your life, would you get sick of it? Yeah, that's
what would happen with Susie Two. No, I don't think
I would get sick of her.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Ever, maybe you'll meet Susie Cortez and see, maybe you'll
meet the Susie Cortes is Seattle. She'll do us all
a favor and convince you not to come to work.
Uh uh huh mj drooling like a dog on live
radio like the dude's hosting the Bigger Dance on kJ
AHAR in the nineties.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Ha ha ha.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Doesn't Sposter have a crazy X, Yes he does. Hispanic
women are the most beautiful women. Ever, while they are
amongst them, they certainly are. I will not disagree with
that man.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Whoo wow.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Live in Miami for a year, not to mention five
in you, but you won't ever want to leave. You'll
have to go to a freaking a neck doctor because
your head is going to be spinning like an owl.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Uh, what's up? Mark?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Do you think the Mariners rumors floating around Tiger's pitcher
Schooble and two hitters from Tampa Bay? I don't know,
you know what I think Schooble. Someone said this last night,
and I'm gonna take their word. It wasn't Morosi. I'll
have to look it up. Someone says they believe that
Trek Scooble. Oh, here it is. Lauren Shahati from MLB
(35:10):
Network said he's gone.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
He's going to the Mets. So wow.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
And you know, Uncle Steve, is it like John Stanton?
If we had Uncle Steve Cohen that is here in Seattle.
Let me tell you something, that'd be like me waking
up every day next to Susie Cortes. It would be
pure bliss because Uncle Steve does not spare an expense.
You want, Juan Soto you got him. You want Senga,
(35:37):
you got him. And you want Trek Scooble, the Mets
will probably get him. That's what Uncle Steve Cohen does,
and that's why he's the richest owner, and he puts
everything back into his franchise everything.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Hey, I'm not lying to you.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
If Uncle Steve Cohen wants Josh Nayler, I got news
for you. Josh Nayler is gonna be singing. Meet the Mets,
Greet the Met step right up and see the Mets.
Bring your kids, bring your wife. Guarantee to have the
time of your life. Because the Mets are really sucking
(36:11):
the ball. Uncle Steve Cohen gets whoever he wants, and
he doesn't care about luxury tax or any of that
other crap. He wants to win a World Series title,
not just for himself and his beautiful wife Alex, but
for the Mets fans. That's the difference between Mets ownership
and others ownership, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Okay, all right, I ford astext.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
All right, takes some Mike Dugar and John Metler for
coming on today. I didn't know there was kind of
a thing Ian, not that you would really care so
ESPN excuse me, Penn Gaming used to have a deal
with Barstool. They parted ways, so Pen Gaming, pen Gaming exactly.
That's that sums up pretty much all you pretty much.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
So then they decide to get in a partnership with
ESPN bet and now they that just partner. So pen
Gaming has spent if get me the straight, they have
lost close to a billion dollars in the gambling space
on failed partnerships with Barstool and ESPN bets.
Speaker 7 (37:24):
Jesus with two pretty big entities that you wouldn't usually
see failure.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Hey, Pen Gaming man uh Ian forness M MJ in
the mid day. Well let's let's say, let's tell I
want no part of that. Well, that's true, but they
got money.
Speaker 7 (37:36):
Well apparently, but yeah, it seems like a failure though.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's not good. That's good.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I gotta ask you a question. I brought this up
at the beginning of the show, and I truly mean this,
uh of teams in the current spot, Ian, I want
you to think that the totality of the organization and
the window what do I mean by window four to
five years, that window that lesion of Boom had from
twenty twelve to twenty sixteen. So you got the four
(38:03):
to five year window. Who right now? I gave six.
I could be talked into eight. Who right now has
a good five year window set up as good or
actually not as good, better than the Seahawks. I said,
the Rams don't because I believe Matthew Stafford's done after
this season, so then they gotta go out and get
a new quarter.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
I don't think he's done because he just keeps playing
at such a high level. But h and they had
such a good draft last year. I would put Detroit
right there. Yeah, I got got that. I think Detroit
would be the first team that came to minus Detroit.
The Kansas City, Philadelphia, Kansas City, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
They got Mahomes and Reid. Come on, man, as long
as you got that year, right, I get that.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
You don't think.
Speaker 7 (38:46):
Canada they went three super Bowls in the last fine years,
I know, and another humming right now? I don't know,
you can't, I dude, Come, I guess, I guess, proved me,
I guess until they proved me wrong.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Yeah yeah, right, okay, Philly gotta get Philly. They're the ships. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Oh for sure, Okay, Detroit, you said Detroit. Yeah, okay,
three teams in the AFC, I say, Detroit in the
NFC might be right there, Like is the number one team? Okay,
Tampa Bay comparable, but they're in a good spot.
Speaker 7 (39:13):
Yeah, I mean I think they have some aging guys,
you know, like Godlin are aging. I think a couple
of guys in the defense are aging a little bit.
Don't know how much you know, Vida's got left, I
mean there's but yeah, he's pretty good. Yeah he's good,
He's fine. Yeah, no, and yeah, I mean I'll throw
them in there. I think they're okay, Chargers and Broncos. Okay,
(39:33):
I'm gonna go the opposite of the Chargers and prove
me wrong. Chiefs right, like, Okay, I'll say, you know what,
You guys get the benefit of doubt until you until
you don't. The Chargers are the opposite until you win
a playoff game. Justin Herbert, I'm not gonna include you
in any kind of list that makes you good.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Would the Chargers? Kind of with the Justin Herbert thing?
Are they the Oregon Ducks in the NFL? Well, the
Ducks have got to championship games.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
They have.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
They're true, and they've won playoff tam and stan Hllpregs
doesn't walking to that door, folks.
Speaker 7 (40:02):
No, So I would not put them in the category
of the orchandects. Think Deucks have more success in the postseason.
All right, how about so Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
But they don't have a defense.
Speaker 7 (40:12):
Yeah, but they've been hurt this year. I mean, your
best defensive lineman's out for the year. They've had dudes
missing at games. Lamar miss four weeks. I mean that's
a but you so you think they've a brighter window
in the Seattle I don't know. Oh you're saying, is
this based on brighter than Seattle?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yes, I'm talking about who are the teams the next
five years that have as good, if not better than Seattle.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
That's what I'm saying is that we got a pretty
good he Oh yeah, there's no doubt. I'll agree with
you that.
Speaker 7 (40:38):
Yeah, Okay, I think and I think you just have
to look at the NFC to be honest with you,
And I think if you look at the NFC, I
think Detroit's comparable LA sort of comparable. Forty nine ers
are okay because they got guys under contract, but was hurt.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
I know.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
But what they've done, what they've done is they've manipulated
the cap well enough to have superstars stay and they
fill in the blanks with nothing burgers and they've done
a good job with that.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
I'm gonna throw two more at you, obviously. Buffalo. Yeah,
they're on a defense, but they got Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Okay, and you might not yet you know, a larger
sample size, but this guy's having an MVP season and
they got the coach. They have their the successors to
their goats.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
New England Drake May.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
New England's well, I'm just that defense. The defense is
just the real deal. By the way, I think there's
buyer's remorse for Tennessee firing Vrabel.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Yeah, no, no, no, they know they hired Brian Collen. Oh,
they already fired him. Exactly exactly. What do you got
coming on?
Speaker 7 (41:30):
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Speaker 1 (41:45):
You know they used to bet on a Super Bowl.
What kool aid? I wonder what color suit? What color sportcoat?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Perfect court we're gonna smith to be wearing on Sunday.
He had an ugly Sherbert orange the last time, going
lime green. Oh here, I'll pull that one out, all right.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
The mayor cota next day
Back on MJ in the Midday with Christopher Kidd here
on Sports Radio ninety three to three KJRFM, Seattle sports leader,
the guy we speak to every week. He's there. He's
always there at Renton Lumen, you name it, on the road.
He went out to there at whatever they call it
now used to be known as FedEx Field. On Sunday Night,
Mike Dugar from The Athletic does a tremendous podcast with
(00:27):
our own Christopher Kids Seahawks Man to Man. Listen to
it wherever you find podcasts. So, Mike, before we get
to Rashichi heat and the trade and everything, I want
to get your thoughts on Sunday night overall, what was
your assessment of the Seahawks performance and it looked like
a major statement.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, yeah, I think the statement was just the time
of the game. You know, they've had some pretty some
good wins under mac MacDonald.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
But when you just do it in prime time for
the third year, and excuse me, for the third game
in a row, I think that you start to put
the league un notice there and not just like they'll
pun the into do power rankings on Tuesdays.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
You know, I just think the whole world is watching.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
That includes your opponents, includes other execs, just whatever, other
other coaches. Everyone is watching when you just put the
put the hurting on somebody you know on national TV.
So now they've won on what Monday night football, they
won on Thursday night football, They've won on Sunday night
football against the Commanders. I just I think that matters,
you know, I do. It matters for some markets more
(01:32):
than the others. You know, a city like Seattle, I
seem like Jacksonville, you know, the Chargers sometimes, particularly when
they were in San Diego. I just think that, you know,
you really got to show who you are when everyone's watching,
because the.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Reality is most people are not, you know, other than
like for fantasy.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Reasons, you know, when you play at you know, one
o'clock Pacific time on Sunday afternoons.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
So yeah, they dominated in a way that they've in
ways that have been pretty stable week to week.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
You know, Sam Donald throws it well, Jackson's always open,
you can't really score many points on this defense. Those
things are pretty constant every week. And the fact that
they continue to be a home road you know, Bucks
game notwithstanding, is a really good sign of where the
team is under Mike McDonald at where it's going.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I'm glad everyone got to see that Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Night, Mike, Sam Donald, you mention him. He like the
late great wrestler, mister perfect Kurt Heading. That's what he
was at halftime on Sunday night. He was just unbelievable.
Sixteen of sixteen, two hundred and eighty two yards, four
touchdowns and at that point a perfect QB rating of
one pin fifty eight point three. Two of those touchdowns
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going to Tory Horton, one to my guy from the
U Elijah Royal, catching his first touchdown in the NFL.
Sam Donald, I didn't have We had Lewis Rick on
Mike the day after the game and I asked him,
Sam Donald, MVP candidate and he said absolutely, Like, are
you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
So didn't have this on my Bengo card.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Mike and his level right now, when you look at
Sam Darnold, does he just continue to get better in
your eyes?
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I mean I think he and Kat Kubiak just continue
to get more comfortable with how teams are going to
attack them, you know, how they're going to try to
take away Jackson, particularly in the passing game. Obviously with
Sam that's where it's most important. I think that that
just stands out week to week. It's really hard to
fluster them. It took a really good Texans defense to
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do that even a little bit, and they still score
twenty seven points. You know, I'm the best defense of football.
So yeah, I mean MVP is gonna be tough. I
was looking at the odds. I think, I bet MGM
this is who we have a partnership with at the Athletics,
So I'm a company man here. I think he's like
fifth or sixth something like that. Guys like Stafford are
ahead of him. Drake may tak Lamar Jackson's creeping back
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in there, which doesn't surprise me. Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes
had the MVP battle up there in Buffalo on Sunday.
But the fact that Sam's in the conversation, I think
that that's really notable. You got to win the division though,
to win to win MVP, and that you look at
the standings, that is no guarantee because Matt Staffer, everything
that applies to Sam Donald and the Seahawks applies to
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Matt Stafford and those Rams.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Right now, two guys playing really really really a good ball.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Feeding their receivers, taking care of the football generally. But yeah,
Sam's playing about as good as anybody that I just named.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
When we look back at Sam Donald and last year
was his coming out party, but a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Including me, we had doubts.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Oh, Kevin O'Connell puppet, Kevin O'Connell's system quarterback.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Now we're seeing is it possible? Right now?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I'm thinking you juxtaposed? But forget about the numbers. I mean,
at one point last year, I believe the Vikings won
nine in a row, so they just had an historic
run last year. But Sam Donald himself, is it more
impressive what he's doing under Clint Kubiak then being in
that Kevin O'Connell ecosystem that just can produced successful results
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no matter who he puts it there, including JJ McCarthy.
Is it more impressive right now what Sam Donold's doing
this year than he was last year?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I don't know about more impressive, just because Kubiak system
kind of comes from the Shanahan, which kind of comes
from because Dad, which is it's a QB friendly system
just like Kevin O'Connell's is they just.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Go about it a little differently.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Kevin used to be an assistant under Sean McVay, who
runs a very QB friendly thing, which is why we've
seeing multiple cues. And Shawn's gone to the Super Bowl
with two different quarterbacks, right, you know of Stafford and Golf,
so two QB friendly systems. I think that the supporting
cast was better in Minnesota, although I think the supporting cast.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Is pretty good here too.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I think Sam just falls into a bucket several quarterbacks
to which just don't get the opportunity. You know, you
give him a guy who can get open. That guys
has like legit gravity like Jackson has, and you're give
him good pass protection or throw the ball on time.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I mean just generally there, I feel like there's a
lot of guys like.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
That, but they don't get put in the circumstances because
it's hard to field a good offensive line.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I think Jered Goff is very similar.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
You know, he's had like borderline MVP ish numbers before.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
You know, now on two different teams.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Why because he gets good offensive lines and then he
gets guys who can you know, get open at really
high levels. So I'm on rawan Detroit Cooper Cup and
Robert Woods in La So.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I think Sam falls into that too, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
And the problem is you get these guys who get
drafted so high and they get thrown into situations.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Where everything's bad.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
The old line's bad, sometimes the coach is bad, the
play callers bad, the receivers need to grow and develop,
and not everyone's equipped to just be thrown into that fire.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Sometimes it's like, Okay, I need to be iving the quarterback.
I need to be the last piece you plug in,
not one of the first ones.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
They're on the rebuild.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And I think that's where Sam is benefiting. And Baker
Mayfield I think has benefited from some of that in
Tampa as well. It's like they had the infrastructure, you
PLoP Baker in there, and what do you know, he
puts up borderline MVP numbers. You know, Jalen hurts the
same thing. He's not a guy who's probably carrying a
bad team. If you put a great offensive line in
front of him, in some good path catchers, well we'll.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Put up borderloinede MVP numbers. Dack too.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
So I think it's more so than whether it's impressive
in last year, which stands out It's like, this is.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
The lesson fans and GMS.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
And coaches to take away from Sam Donald's success and
Genoe Smith even before him in Seattle. The ecosystem has
to be strong for all of these guys, right with
the exception like Josh and Mahomes. The ecosystem needs to
be good, and when it is, there's a lot of
guys who can play good football.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I don't think the ecosystem needs to be great with Lamar.
I think Lamar can impost his will as well. I
think he's one of those guys that you put up
there with Mahomes and Josh Allen that he can make
things happen. I mean, yeah, it doesn't hurt to have
Mark Andrew's a Flowers, Derrick Henry, but you know, Lamar
is him. I mean, he's back, he's sorry. Like you said,
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in the MVP race, they're on the They were the
odds on favorite before they won. On Thursday night in Miami,
they were the odds on favorite who in the NFC
North and they had like five losses. So that tells
you the greatness that is Lamar Jackson. What else did
you glean from Sunday Night defensively, Leonard Williams is it
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is it possible that he's aging like a fine wine
like Kim Kardashian, he's getting better with age because I'm
looking at him right now and I'm like, he's starting.
I want to say, Warren Sap ninety nine Defensive Player
of the Year, but it's it's Warren Sap oh two thousand,
two thousand and one, two thousand and two, and we
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all know what happened at in two with number ninety nine.
He took him to a Super Bowl. So is Leonard
Williams right now? And can we.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Talk about him maybe being Defensive Player of the Year candidate?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, sure. I haven't looked at those those numbers.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I don't know who else is is in there, but yeah,
I mean, you got you gotta play on the on
a great defense for starters, so that'll limit that unfortunately.
Emphasis on unfortunately would eliminate someone like Miles Garrett, who
is easily playing the best ball any defender in the league,
but it's on one of the worst teams, uh in
the league. He signed up for that, so I don't
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feel that bad for him. But in terms of awards, yeah,
if you're scratching him out of there. Then yeah, that
leaves you with guys like Leonard, guys like the Forrest Buckner.
I quietly like a guy like Derrick Brown in Carolina's
playing super well. But yeah, Leo, the thing about these
one with defensive tackles right, how they can play into
their thirties, play at a high level is their their
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thing is that it's not predicated on speed and stuff
like that, and like just pure athleticism. It's really just
grown men ball that you're playing there.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
It is. I'm stronger than you.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I know tendencies. I can tell when your your center
is leaning this way that it's an outside and round.
I can tell when this happens that you know your
guard is pulling.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
All that stuff is just reps.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
You know, you could be thirty one and pick up
on that, thirty two and pick up on that.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
That's how Jay Reid's playing high level ball too.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
So I think, yeah, Leonard's Leonard's playing as well as
pretty much any defender outside.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Of Miles Garrett.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Jeffrey Simmons unfortunately probably gets wiped from that convo too
down in Tennessee because his team is also buns. You though,
he's playing really well. Will Anderson's playing good ball over
in Houston on the on the best defense in the league.
Jared Verus playing good ball again. But yeah, I think
Leonard very much like Sam.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
It's just right in the in the mix.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
The Seas actually have a lot of guys who are
just in the mix for the accolades. Jackson's in the
mix for Offensive Player of the Year. You know, Indie
fans will probably tell you it's Jonathan Taylor. But both
sides have a good argument, right, They're both just in
the mix, you know, and I think that's good. You know,
that's what that's what contenders look like. You know, even
though we mentioned that Lamar hasn't always had a great
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support and cast up there and still ball it out.
There's been multiple seasons where they've had like eight or
nine Pro Bowlers on those Raven squads, you know, between
special teams offense and defense. So it's like they have
a lot of guys who are in the mix.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You know, the Seahawks would.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Regularly in their heyday with Pete Carroll would have like
five six Pro bowlers, you know that and multiple guys
in the mix. And that's where the Seahawks are right now, Jacks, Like,
if Jackson is in there, I think Gray's Abel is
playing at a pro Bowl level. I think Ernest Jones,
hopefully his knee is okay, he's playing at a pro
Bowl level. Among NFC linebackers, I think Kobe Bryant is
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playing at a pro Bowl level.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Torey Horten's returning.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
The ball on punts at a pro bowl level. Like,
all these guys are in the mix, and that's why
the Seahawks are so good.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Mike Dugar from the Athletic also does this great podcast
with our own Christopher Kid every week Seahawks Man and Man.
These guys break down the film The All twenty two.
I can tell you that much. Jaysen, you mentioned him
just another day at the office, Mike. One thing, I
was a little upset on my player prop bet at Muckleshoe, CA.
See resort. He didn't get a touchdown. He had a
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touchdown I believe in like four straight games. But nonetheless,
eight catches on nine targets for one hundred and twenty
nine yards leads the NFL and receiving.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I threw out that big number. I threw out that
big number I know.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
A lot of people were like, I don't know, it's
a little, but he's got over nine hundred plus yards receiving.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
We're not even a halfway mark.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
We could be looking at the two k mark we
get down of week seventeen and all that. But JSN,
what can you say about him?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Mike?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And you did you truthfully? And I know you're nothing
but truthful. Before the season see him being this great.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
No, I knew he'd have the talent to just be
a really good receiver, you know, maybe borderline All Pro,
depending on who's healthy. I would have predicted like Pro Bowl,
just because I would have I forget how many receivers
make All Pro, but I would have just imagined and
penciling in Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase like right there
and shoot, they.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Still could be in that congo. So I thought it
would be hard for Jacks to get the volume.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I knew that the offense would be run heavy, so
I just didn't think he'd have the raw numbers to
be talking about being on pace for two k, which
he is on.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Pace for two thousand.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
But I think the reason he's the way he's doing
it is unsurprising to me, you know, having watched him
at Ohio State. I mean, I tell people when they
asked me about him these days, my first time watching
Jackson Smith and jig but play football was the Rose Bowl, Right,
we had three hundred and forty seven yards and like
three touchdowns or something. So when he puts up gaudy numbers,
the numbers don't necessarily take me aback, because the first
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time I saw him, I thought he was like football Jesus.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I was like, how is he doing this? Who is
this kid? All right? So I knew he had the talent.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And then when going back and watching his film at
Ohio State when they drafted him, I thought that their
oc was really creative with how they used him. It's
very similar to some of the stuff we're seeing now.
He wasn't just lining up outside the numbers and running
go balls and jumping over people.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You know, he was operating from the slot.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
He was operating from or from out of the backfield,
you know, like he's doing now. You know, he caught
a long ball from the backfield on Sunday night, you know,
the one that set.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Up their field goal.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I think before the first half that was out of
the backfield, you know, and it's just it's hard to
account for that. You know, what do you do when
Jackson lines up in the backfield next to Ken Walker?
Do you put a linebacker over there, you bring the
safety down, you have your nickel garden.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You know.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It kind of neutralizes teams that you know, like when
they go play Indianapolis, they line up Jackson the backfield.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
What are the Colts going to do with Sauce Gardner? Right,
they cut them up at the line. Well, okay, cool,
what Sauce at the line?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Well what if we.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Run it now?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Now Sauce is in the run fit, you know, like
I love I love Sauce. He shouldn't be in no
run fits, right, So no early downs. So I think
that it just creates this this math problem and this
personnel problem each week. And that's what I meant earlier
when I mentioned Koubiak, and those guys are doing a
good job kind of staying ahead of how teams are
going to attack them, because you know the conventional ways
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like oh, this guy is killing it, this receiver, We're
gonna put our best guy on him. We're gonna double him.
You can't double a guy from the slot that easily.
You can't double a guy from the backfield that easily.
You can't double a guy who motions across the formation
that easily. You know, the last guy from that was
on pace for two k I think it was Tyreek
Hill a couple of years ago. It was the same thing.
They're emotioning them, putting them in the backfield, and you
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just you just couldn't bracket that every week. So I
think that Jackson's skillset is very unique. Only a few
guys have it. And that's why every week, even though
the offense, excuse me, the defense dedicates all this time
to trying to stop them, they just don't.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Mike Dagar a excellent points by you, Rashid Shihed. That's
the deal that the Seahawks made yesterday. I like it,
Kid and I, you know, were on the air as
it happened, and I started to just digest it a
little much, a little too much over twenty four hours.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
And Mike a.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Fourth and a fifth rounder. I would have been cool
with a fifth rounder. Is that too much for a
guy who's a rental is a free agent at the
end of the year, or does that just make sense?
Under this is what John Schneider does, and we'll see
if he can fit in. If he does, we'll recite
him like Ernest Jones and Leonard Williams. Or did they
I don't know. I listened the national people that like
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they loved it a fourth and a fifth rounder like
Tory Horton was a fifth rounder. I mean, did they
give up too much for Rashichi eid or what did
you think about the deal?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah? I thought they kind of gave up a little
bit too much.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
First, if Cup is healthy, right, because then you neither
just made a cup your what you probably just made
cup like your third receiver, or you've just traded for
a third receiver, and you push Toy.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Horton down to your fourth receiver. And I don't agree
with doing any of that.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Like, I think that this really only makes a ton
of sense if cups they found out its hamstring, or
their fear at least that his hamstring is going to
be a long term problem, which and easy we could
thirty two years.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Old, I played a lot of ball, plays really hard.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
You know, if he has a bad handmaid has to
miss some time, that's perfectly understandable.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Julian loves on ir.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Now right, he hasn't played since I think September thirtieth,
So I get that. If that's the case, then yeah,
that's that's fine. I think they need a number three
in that case, and if they want Toy to stay
their number three, they want Shaheed to be the number three.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
That's cool. I think that all adds up.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
But otherwise they Yeah, they spent those draft picks. Whether
they're returning him or not, I guess to be could
create a logjam. They didn't need to create a logjam
at you know, but I think long term, you maybe
are introducing a scenario where he move on from Cup
because you can get out of his deal in February
and maybe just roll with Shaheed, Horton and JSN, you know,
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guys who would all be under thirty.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I think Tory just turns twenty three this month.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Jackson is twenty three and she needs twenty seven, so
you'd get a little younger, redistribute that money and go forward.
But I think the other part that why I thought
they paid a little more than I thought they would
have needed to, is they.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Only have four picks left. Mark. They got first round pick,
second round pick, third round pick, and sixth round pick
at twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
The last time they were this low one picks was
coming out of the twenty twenty season.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
They only had.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Four as well, and then they gave up one of
those to go get Gabe Jackson. Which is why that
twenty twenty one class, when he has three players and
as well as John Schneider's been drafting in the last
few years, it's just hard man with only four bytes
at the apple or three bytes at the apple, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
And I think that's where I looked at the compensation, like,
oh okay, like, what's what's wrong with cup? That was
the first thing. What's wrong with Cooper? Yeah, if you're.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Giving up two picks for a guy who's like your
number two maybe even your number three, you know, receiver.
So I'm agreeing with you on the compensation. Fineere she's
for what it's worth. I say, she's really good, Like
he will come in, he should impact them right away,
Like it wouldn't surprise me if his like first catch
with a touchdown. It really like he's a really good player.
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The talent is not the issue. But you know, you
don't look.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
At the trade just as the as the talent they acquired.
You have to give something up.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
What did you give up? And what's that worth it?
And I do think that's worth debating.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Mike Tugar and you kind of just broke it down.
They only have four picks in the next draft. I mean, Jesus,
the Jets have five first round picks in the next
two drafts. And now, Mike, what if after the season
Rieke Woland leaves compensatory pick there, maybe Boye mafe compensatory
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pick there.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, the comparatory picks get really tricky. You know.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
It's not as just simple as you lose a guy
he signs, you get a pick in the next draft,
which is what it would be like twenty twenty seven.
He has to sign for a certain amount Okay, he
has to play a certain amount of snaps, and then
you have to not sign as many guys as you
lose that factor into the competittory pick formula. For instance,
in this scenario, if they were to release cup Right,
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he would not factor into the compensatory pick formula if
he then goes and signs with someone for big money
because they released him, as opposed to let's say, can
Walker Reacan boy A all leave will even yes, and
they all go sign deals. You potentially could get fourth, fifth,
and sixth round compensatory picks in.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
If all three of those guys a sign big deals
or deals that have some value other than just minimums
and then be play a certain amount of snaps.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
That means they got to stay healthy as well the
next year, and then that's three guys you lose.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Right, You can't sign three guys in free agency yourself
because you cancel all those dudes out for the most part,
So compensatory stuff, it does happen, it doesn't matter, and
gms do think about that. The Ravens are famous for this,
but it's not guaranteed. It's not as simple as he
signs your heat. He walks signs with the Giants, gets
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thirteen million a year, So you get the fourth round
compensatory pick in twenty twenty seven. That can happen for sure,
but there's just no guarantee that that. There's a lot
of steps they gotta be taken before you get there.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I gotta tell you, I was actually relieved that they
did not.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Let go of Greek Wolland.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I think Greek Wollan is you just see the talent
and yeah, and by the way, I listen, that's a
BS penalty they called against him on Sunday night. Come on,
stop it. I'm a Miami Hurricane. Are you kidding me?
I grew up on that. It's the reason I fell
in love with the you, Mike. I mean, I grew
up on those teams where I mean we do gyrations
with the Blades brothers above people's heads. I mean, come on,
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he just stared at him and he got a penalty, Like,
get the hell out of here. I think Greek's gonna
make big plays down the stretch. I'm glad they held
on to him, and I think it's gonna bode well
after the deadline, Mike, does it change your mind?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
And here we are the Seahawks tied for first.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
With the Rams, huge game coming up a week from Sunday,
but they got another big game coming up on Sunday too.
We saw what the Cardinals did on Monday night in
Dallas to the Cowboys. So that being said, do you
feel now that the Seahawks today, Mike Dugard today are
the best team in the West? Are you still there's
a lot of football that needs to be proven before
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you go there.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, I think you can make an argument. I would
probably say the Rams and Seahawks are neck and neck.
They have things that may hold them back late in
the year. The Rams are pretty complete offensively. They run
the ball well enough like Super Elite or anything. This
isn't the Tom Gurley teams, but they do it enough
that it's a credible left hand, you know what I mean.
So you know, to make a boxing analogy, they can
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throw some jabs in there before Stafford and Puka and
Devanta hit you with the Haymaker right, So the Sea
don't have that. They are just Sam and Jacks is
their right hand and they just go their classic Mike
Tyson like the fight's over in a second because the
right hand is so strong, which is fine, but just
you watch boxing now. You can't just go in there
and knock the guy out in the third. It's not
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just how it works.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
You know. You've got to be able to get in
there and dance.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
A little bit and throw multiple punches. The Seahawks offense
does not throw multiple punches. And to make it bring
it back to football, they just throw the ball really
well and where they run the ball really poorly, and
that's just unsustainable. The Rams don't do that, where I
think that what makes them tied. Both the defenses are
really good. The Seahawks are quietly one of the best
special teams units in the NFL, depending on what Mexics
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you want to use. The Rams are like below average,
and that does matter. We're seeing it all year at
Mark where teams there, whether it's a misfield goal, a
blocked field goal. We see multiple teams win on blocked
field goals this year, whether it's pump returns, whether it's
teams not taking advantage of the kickoff rules, their kickoff
returners not knowing these new like zone rules where the
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ball needs to land, like special teams matter is quite
a bit. You know, Seahawks blew that game open on Sunday,
Brandon Peelee forces a fumble, you know, like special teams
matters a lot. And I think that's where that the
rams most obvious setback is, whereas the Seahawks their most
obvious setback is their running game. So I think they're
both neck and neck. They're equally flawed to.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Me, and yeah, I want I don't want to look
past the Cardinals. I'm glad you brought them up.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
No, I know, feisty team. Yeah, they're I'm a big
point differential guy. The Cardinals are.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Three and five, but they're plus nine. Yeah. I mean
they've outscored their.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Opponents by nine points this year and that's playing two
different quarterbacks, you know, So they're not a bad team.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
They're feisty.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I do think the Seahawks are gonna win on Sunday,
but I don't think it's a walk in the park.
And if they look too far ahead too the Rams,
the Cardinals will come in here.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
And beat them. I can guarantee you that.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, Hey, speaking of you know the U my former
classmate on Monday Night, it's all about getting better with age.
Kalays Campbell had two sacks on Monday Night against Dak Prescott.
So I mean, listen, you know, Big nine to three
is still there twenty years into the league in counting,
and he can still play at a high level. And
they're pretty tough defensively. I mean there are Jonathan Gannon
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coach defense, Mike Dugar obviously, you can listen to him
each here every week on MJ in the midday, and
he does a great job. Seahawks Man and Man Podcast
with Christopher Kidd from The Athletic Buy his book wherever
books are sold. Mike, I'll see you Sunday and we
will talk to you next week.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
My friend. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Tucky Le you got it, Mike Dagar, great spot. There By, Mike,
we will come back on the other side. What do
you say? Text of the Day four nine four five
one with Christopher Kidd. It's Mark James MJ in the
Midday Sports Radio ninety three three kJ RM from.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
The R and R Foundation Specialist broadcast studio. Now back
to MJ in the midday on your home for the
Huskies Cracking and the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three
point three kJ r FM.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Welcome back to MJ in the mid Day. I guess
I'll lead things off with voice non voice message. But
text four nine four five one. We got a few
earlier when MJ was discussing who are the teams in
the NFL that potentially could have a better future. I'd
add the Rams, Bill's Ravens, and even the Arizona Cardinals
(26:29):
now that it seems like they're giving up on Kyler Murray.
Also the Colts Hugh Millen has always said, don't count
out Daniel Jones and because he was behind a terrible
offensive line, and so far it seems to be true.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
The Cardinals, you had me up until the Cardinals, even
with Jacobe Prissett, they're not coming back in this division.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
This is the best division in football.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
They're actually probably the best last place team in the NFL,
but they're not coming back in this division.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
This division is a three team division.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
But he's talking about for the future though, like you earlier,
in the future.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
You trust Jacoby Brissett. That's you, that's your quarterback. In
the future.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Probably not, but they can probably just go get a quarterback.
Hit It's not easy to just go get one and
develop them. That's the thing that that's the thing I
love about Seattle. We've got the GM, we've got the
head coach.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
We've got now a quarterback in a system on offense,
we have the defense. We got it all, and then
we have just this. These guys are young. JSN what's
a twenty four. You know you've got Tory Horton is
a fifth rounder. There's so many great things here. I'll
put it this way.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
If they can get a Jared Goff in the draft
and they get an offensive line, they'll be okay.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
But it takes time to develop.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Jared Goff was and Jared Goff until he got to Detroit,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
He was actually solid with the Rams. He just they
did get to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
You know.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
I just being great around him too, though.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
It's like the Raven can't just you know, to quote
Rick Bettino when he would sit when he got all
pissed off because the Boston media is so negative despite
the fact that he was the worst coach in Celtic's history.
Not name mL Carr, Robert Parrish, isn't walking through that door, folks,
Kevin McHale's not walking through that door, folks. Larry Bird's
not walking through that door, folks. If they do, they're
(28:19):
gonna be gray and old. Well, I could say the
same thing about Baltimore. Ray Lewis isn't walking through that door, folks.
And Reed's not walking through that door, folks. Terrell Suggs
is not walking through that door, folks. And they do,
they're gonna be gray and old. And Ray I love you,
I love you fifty two. It's time to go home,
shave it all. Don't we wearing hats. Just dude, you
(28:39):
look great, bald, you will look great. I wish I
could go bald.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I wish I would look as great as you. Bald.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
You gotta go home, man, you gotta go home. You
gotta go home. It's just time to shave it.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Go home.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
That's what they say, you go home. You just gotta
shave it. I love Ray, but you gotta shave that thing.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Man.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
It's time.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
It's time.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
When you start, when your hairline starts getting to look
like Tony Kornheiser, Dick Fi Dall, it's time U MJ.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
I love you, bro.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But concerning Susie, I think you have a shallow how
thing happening?
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Oh really? Doctor? Do you think so? No? No, Well,
I'm just a normal guy.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I'm you know, I'm just somebody who appreciates the aesthetic
beauty of a goddess like Susie Cortes.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
More teams that potentially could have a brighter future. This
person says, Rams, Eagles, Bucks, bills, and Chiefs. I think
the only one that you didn't have with the RAM,
but I think everything else you covered right when you
made your selection, MJ.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
You had Bucks, Eagles, bills and Chiefs didn't have bills.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Oh you didn't have that only because their defense got
you their defense, And it's like it takes a long time. Now,
Bigdermott's a defensive type coach. He was a DC with
the Carolina Panthers, so I think he can get it fixed.
But you now they did to their credit, they drafted
every If you go back and look at their draft
last April, I think every pick was on defense. So
they're doing the right But now you got I mean,
(30:02):
Mike McDonald has taken Leonard Williams and Ernest Jones and
Mafe and Reeq and Emon Worrie and Spoon and he's
molded it into this freaking wrecking unit that is just
like I'll just tell you right now, you got about
six to seven organizations and that's about it. Who has
(30:22):
maybe as good, if not a brighter future than the Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
I won't quite say the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yet because I got to see a larger sample size
with Drake may although he's having an MVP type season.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
If you don't believe me, look at the numbers. Uh
true that?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Uh so this guy texted back Lauren Sanchez is the
team version of Susie Cortez. In hindsight, the Bumbum is
top shelf, though on Cortes ten out of ten, yes
she is. Oh my lord, I would be so happy.
I would be if I could wake up every day
with Susie Cortez. It's like I wish I could be
Lionel Messi, not to be the great, one of the
(30:57):
great soccer players of all time, just because Susie Cortes
would be knowing I could have her at any time
in my entire life. That's how much she loves Messi.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Kid, Come on, just get a quarterback. You havect like
it's easy.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
I know it's not, but I will say this, like
Lewis Riddick said, it depends on the infrastructure around you.
Sam Donald's a perfect example. He didn't have a good infrastructure.
He was in with the Jets, who are a disaster
then and now, and they're ruining another quarterback that we
think can throw the football. We look at justin Field
and say he's probably an, okay, a good quarterback, just
(31:34):
as you would Sam Donald, and he's proven that he
can be elite.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Sam Donald's proven he can be one of the top quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
But it really starts with the infrastructure in which you
build in. Because I mentioned if Sam has the good
old line, which it ain't been great in the run game,
but it's been elite in the pass protection. What is
Sam doing. He's looking like one of the top three
quarterbacks in the league. I think Kyler Murray he can
pass the sniff test. He's a good quarterback for whatever reason.
Though it's not working in Area Zona.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
But he's had a seven year sample size now, but
it's it's not working. But but it is, and I
think a lot of it is on him. Maybe it is.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
I haven't sat down and watched everything that he's done,
but I will say maybe he flourishes three years from
on a different team.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
So he could because the talents there.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
So I'm not saying it's easy to get a quarterback.
But I'll tell you this, if you build around the
quarterback as the Seahawks did, I think it'll work out
for a lot of teams. But they don't do that.
They say, oh, they got Mark James, the number one
guy coming in. We'll just draft him with this crap
o line and we'll make it work.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
By the way, see Cam Mooreton love what I think
I think Cam's a good quarterback, right, he's a great
court I think he could be great, but he's on
a eightbage there you go, franchise, That's what I mean,
garbage franchise fired. Mike Vrabel, who probably is the NFL
Coach of the Year, came right now. You could flip
a coin between him and Shane Steichen with the Colts.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Right now. There those are the odds on favorites for
the NFL Coach of the year.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Nobody, and I mean nobody including me had the Patriots
and Colts at the top of their division in Week ten,
just saying, all right, what was MG's pick of the day.
I missed it after I stepped away for a minute.
Loved this show and his takes. I will go over
on the Ravens Vikings over forty eight and a half.
Over forty eight and a half Ravens Vikings. Yeah, kids,
(33:18):
someone else just kind of hit you at that, He goes, yeap,
just go grab.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
A quarterback easy, ps. I just explained it. I know
you did. You did not know you did. But let's
go through these wrapping. We don't have much time.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
On I'm would just wrap with this one, all right,
terrible towels are going to take over LA. But I
still believe in the pick. So I picked the charges
miss to an a, I believe in your pick. Someone, No, no, no,
they're the better team to the better team. They are
the better freaking team. All right, I'll ed not disagreeing
(33:48):
with you. But how is Herbert better than Darnald? You
could argue Herbert is worse in big games than Darnald
with a slightly bigger sample size.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
By the way, good point. You're not wrong. You're not wrong.
If you could eat your favorite food the rec of
your life, would you get sick of it? Yeah, that's
what would happen with Susie Two. No, I don't think
I would get sick of her.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Ever, maybe you'll meet Susie Cortez and see, maybe you'll
meet the Susie Cortes is Seattle. She'll do us all
a favor and convince you not to come to work.
Uh uh huh mj drooling like a dog on live
radio like the dude's hosting the Bigger Dance on kJ
AHAR in the nineties.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Ha ha ha.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Doesn't Sposter have a crazy X, Yes he does. Hispanic
women are the most beautiful women. Ever, while they are
amongst them, they certainly are. I will not disagree with
that man.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Whoo wow.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Live in Miami for a year, not to mention five
in you, but you won't ever want to leave. You'll
have to go to a freaking a neck doctor because
your head is going to be spinning like an owl.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Uh, what's up? Mark?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Do you think the Mariners rumors floating around Tiger's pitcher
Schooble and two hitters from Tampa Bay? I don't know,
you know what I think Schooble. Someone said this last night,
and I'm gonna take their word. It wasn't Morosi. I'll
have to look it up. Someone says they believe that
Trek Scooble. Oh, here it is. Lauren Shahati from MLB
(35:10):
Network said he's gone.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
He's going to the Mets. So wow.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
And you know, Uncle Steve, is it like John Stanton?
If we had Uncle Steve Cohen that is here in Seattle.
Let me tell you something, that'd be like me waking
up every day next to Susie Cortes. It would be
pure bliss because Uncle Steve does not spare an expense.
You want, Juan Soto you got him. You want Senga,
(35:37):
you got him. And you want Trek Scooble, the Mets
will probably get him. That's what Uncle Steve Cohen does,
and that's why he's the richest owner, and he puts
everything back into his franchise everything.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Hey, I'm not lying to you.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
If Uncle Steve Cohen wants Josh Nayler, I got news
for you. Josh Nayler is gonna be singing. Meet the Mets,
Greet the Met step right up and see the Mets.
Bring your kids, bring your wife. Guarantee to have the
time of your life. Because the Mets are really sucking
(36:11):
the ball. Uncle Steve Cohen gets whoever he wants, and
he doesn't care about luxury tax or any of that
other crap. He wants to win a World Series title,
not just for himself and his beautiful wife Alex, but
for the Mets fans. That's the difference between Mets ownership
and others ownership, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Okay, all right, I ford astext.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
All right, takes some Mike Dugar and John Metler for
coming on today. I didn't know there was kind of
a thing Ian, not that you would really care so
ESPN excuse me, Penn Gaming used to have a deal
with Barstool. They parted ways, so Pen Gaming, pen Gaming exactly.
That's that sums up pretty much all you pretty much.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
So then they decide to get in a partnership with
ESPN bet and now they that just partner. So pen
Gaming has spent if get me the straight, they have
lost close to a billion dollars in the gambling space
on failed partnerships with Barstool and ESPN bets.
Speaker 7 (37:24):
Jesus with two pretty big entities that you wouldn't usually
see failure.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Hey, Pen Gaming man uh Ian forness M MJ in
the mid day. Well let's let's say, let's tell I
want no part of that. Well, that's true, but they
got money.
Speaker 7 (37:36):
Well apparently, but yeah, it seems like a failure though.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's not good. That's good.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I gotta ask you a question. I brought this up
at the beginning of the show, and I truly mean this,
uh of teams in the current spot, Ian, I want
you to think that the totality of the organization and
the window what do I mean by window four to
five years, that window that lesion of Boom had from
twenty twelve to twenty sixteen. So you got the four
(38:03):
to five year window. Who right now? I gave six.
I could be talked into eight. Who right now has
a good five year window set up as good or
actually not as good, better than the Seahawks. I said,
the Rams don't because I believe Matthew Stafford's done after
this season, so then they gotta go out and get
a new quarter.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
I don't think he's done because he just keeps playing
at such a high level. But h and they had
such a good draft last year. I would put Detroit
right there. Yeah, I got got that. I think Detroit
would be the first team that came to minus Detroit.
The Kansas City, Philadelphia, Kansas City, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
They got Mahomes and Reid. Come on, man, as long
as you got that year, right, I get that.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
You don't think.
Speaker 7 (38:46):
Canada they went three super Bowls in the last fine years,
I know, and another humming right now? I don't know,
you can't, I dude, Come, I guess, I guess, proved me,
I guess until they proved me wrong.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Yeah yeah, right, okay, Philly gotta get Philly. They're the ships. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Oh for sure, Okay, Detroit, you said Detroit. Yeah, okay,
three teams in the AFC, I say, Detroit in the
NFC might be right there, Like is the number one team? Okay,
Tampa Bay comparable, but they're in a good spot.
Speaker 7 (39:13):
Yeah, I mean I think they have some aging guys,
you know, like Godlin are aging. I think a couple
of guys in the defense are aging a little bit.
Don't know how much you know, Vida's got left, I
mean there's but yeah, he's pretty good. Yeah he's good,
He's fine. Yeah, no, and yeah, I mean I'll throw
them in there. I think they're okay, Chargers and Broncos. Okay,
(39:33):
I'm gonna go the opposite of the Chargers and prove
me wrong. Chiefs right, like, Okay, I'll say, you know what,
You guys get the benefit of doubt until you until
you don't. The Chargers are the opposite until you win
a playoff game. Justin Herbert, I'm not gonna include you
in any kind of list that makes you good.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Would the Chargers? Kind of with the Justin Herbert thing?
Are they the Oregon Ducks in the NFL? Well, the
Ducks have got to championship games.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
They have.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
They're true, and they've won playoff tam and stan Hllpregs
doesn't walking to that door, folks.
Speaker 7 (40:02):
No, So I would not put them in the category
of the orchandects. Think Deucks have more success in the postseason.
All right, how about so Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
But they don't have a defense.
Speaker 7 (40:12):
Yeah, but they've been hurt this year. I mean, your
best defensive lineman's out for the year. They've had dudes
missing at games. Lamar miss four weeks. I mean that's
a but you so you think they've a brighter window
in the Seattle I don't know. Oh you're saying, is
this based on brighter than Seattle?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yes, I'm talking about who are the teams the next
five years that have as good, if not better than Seattle.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
That's what I'm saying is that we got a pretty
good he Oh yeah, there's no doubt. I'll agree with
you that.
Speaker 7 (40:38):
Yeah, Okay, I think and I think you just have
to look at the NFC to be honest with you,
And I think if you look at the NFC, I
think Detroit's comparable LA sort of comparable. Forty nine ers
are okay because they got guys under contract, but was hurt.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
I know.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
But what they've done, what they've done is they've manipulated
the cap well enough to have superstars stay and they
fill in the blanks with nothing burgers and they've done
a good job with that.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
I'm gonna throw two more at you, obviously. Buffalo. Yeah,
they're on a defense, but they got Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Okay, and you might not yet you know, a larger
sample size, but this guy's having an MVP season and
they got the coach. They have their the successors to
their goats.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
New England Drake May.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
New England's well, I'm just that defense. The defense is
just the real deal. By the way, I think there's
buyer's remorse for Tennessee firing Vrabel.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Yeah, no, no, no, they know they hired Brian Collen. Oh,
they already fired him. Exactly exactly. What do you got
coming on?
Speaker 7 (41:30):
Corpus Fisko and join us this weekly visit one twenty
today and then the unofficial start of the weekend with
our guy Brandon Funston. Text in starting at one o'clock
on a second center with your questions for fantasy football.
Funston at two pm today, Factor Fiction and they were here.
From Jayden Schwartz from Daily power Play. Not a good
night last night for the hockey teams.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
You know they used to bet on a Super Bowl.
What kool aid? I wonder what color suit? What color sportcoat?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Perfect court we're gonna smith to be wearing on Sunday.
He had an ugly Sherbert orange the last time, going
lime green. Oh here, I'll pull that one out, all right.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
The mayor cota next day
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