February 16, 2026 • 40 mins
Ghislaine asks for clemency, a congressman tells ICE officials they are going to hell , and NBC gets caught fibbing again about the Trump Administration. It is hard to tell these days which way is up in our "did they really just say that" clips from this week.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Glaine asked for clemency. A congressman tells Ice officials they're
going to hell, and NBC gets caught fibbing again about
the Trump administration. It's hard to tell these days which
way is up in our Did they really just say that?
Clips from this week. I'm Nancy Shack, I'm Jeff Brown,
this is news.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Bite, I'm the Questions Amendment ran Sidon.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Let me ask you some questions that you may be
able to answer. Mister Lions, do you consider yourself a
religious man?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yes, ma'am?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Oh, yes, okay, Well, how do you think judgment Day
will work for you? With so much blood on your hands?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I'm not going to entertain that question.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Oh okay, of course not. Do you think you're going
to hell? Mister Lions?
Speaker 5 (00:51):
There is the Vice President jd Events right, those are
not Those are a lot of boves for him, whistling Jerry.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Some applause, some applause. She said, here, here's the thing.
Thought that that was the opening ceremonies from uh the
Milan courtina. And you know it's funny. I had a
I have a millennial board op in the show I work.
And he turned to me and said, how long has
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Malan been called Milan Courtina Like, uh, it's not, you know,
it's that's it's two cities.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Complete and they're separated by like hundreds of miles.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
They are they are indeed, so I was like, no, no, no, no.
But in any event, that was the opening ceremonies. And
this was the NBC people saying how the vice president
and wife made an appearance and that there were in
their words, there were the crowd was booing.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
In an individual sport, what an honor for her.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
There's the vice president jd events. Those are not a
lot of boobs for him, whistling Jerry supper clause.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Here's the problem. There were other people there besides the
two mcs, and they're like, there was no I heard
nobody going. And a matter of fact, if you listen
to the natural sound of the opening ceremony that don't
have them on them. Tell me where you hear they're buying.
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That sounds like a pretty happy crowd to me.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
It's also all about the base apparently over.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
There it is. It is. Indeed you did, but that's
you know, it's and I suppose people can say it's
a matter of you know, interpretation, but the problem is
that NBC has a bad track record of doing edits
and misrepresenting things, and they did it again, and you
think they would have learned by now that it's going
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to backfire, because in this day and age, when everybody
has an iPhone and everybody has the ability to record everything,
that you can't fib because you're going to get caught immediately,
and they have a huge credibility issue.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And that's a lesson that we as a public will
never learn. By the way, No, we'll never learn that.
And because it doesn't, it doesn't serve any purpose to
learn it, because the important thing is to record it
and be able to speak whatever you need to say
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and ripped apart.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
They will pee on you and tell you it's raining
and you say, but I just here's a video of
you peeing on me, and they still they'll still design
then still deny it. So it's it's to use a
very overused phrase, it's gaslighting. It's like, no, I didn't that.
I just have a tape of you saying that, No
I didn't say that, as I mean, that's the response
you get these days, and I find it disheartening in
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regard to the Olympics, because I thought the Olympics was
a politics free zone and you could just enjoy sport
for sport, and you know, a globalization that did not
include oh you are you are economy. So seriously, I
get called naive all the time, so I was really
surprised with NBC. I was also surprised with one of
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the US freestyle skaters or skiers sorry Hunter hess who
decided in his US uniform to get up and say this.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
It brings up makesed the emotions to represent the US
right now. I think it's a little hard. There's obviously
a lot going on that I'm not the biggest fan of,
and I think a lot of people aren't. Just because
I'm wearing the flag doesn't mean I represent everything that's
going on in the US.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I don't think it's the best time in the world
world to when you're sitting there, the big US flag
on your chest in USA across your back, to start
bashing the United States. First of all, who cares you're
a millennial freestyle skier. I'm lucky that you know what
you know what a vote is. To be honest with you,
this is the first you saw the story. This is
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the first generation that's more stupid than the generation before them.
And yet he thinks that this was an appropriate use
of a stuy.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Yeah, but so, I mean, here's the devil's advocate here.
Nothing wrong with what he's saying.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
No, except he's bashing his country saying I don't like
what's going on there. Okay, fine, but this is not
the appropriate place to do that as a political statement.
Maybe not, but don't do it here.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Would he make that extemporaneously or was he asked?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
He made it extemporaneously, and he was sorry for it
because social media landed on him, with both of you
saying if you're not comfortable you're representing the United States
as a whole, then don't compete.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Would say, I would say that I would agree with
that sentiment because that was the wrong place to, uh,
to get on your soapbox. But you know, I would
also tell you that if somebody had asked him a
question what it means to him or along that that
ilk and then he went on that tie raid, that's different.
I'm like, I'm all all in.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I don't have a problem with that. I agree with you,
it was extemporaneous, and I'll granted I don't, and he
was sorry for it and said later he took it
back and said I should not have done that, and
which was appropriate.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
By the way, I have a disclaimer about the Olympics
because I don't want to say I'm I just I
don't get into the Olympics for some reason until until
like the final days of the games, when everybody's been
talking about it, and then I watch and I'm like, wow,
I've been missing out on this. Yes, it happens every
time it's summer Olympics, Winterlin.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
You can't bring itself to watch.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I just can't for whatever. I don't know what it is,
because I'm a creature, a creature of routine, right, yeah,
you can't change. Yeah, And so when I get into
something like that, I normally come in late to the
party and wish that I had been the whole time.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Well, just as a disclaimer, if you like hockey, I
think you should be watching the team. I know they
are kicking ass, I know business and I actually I'm
generally not a hockey fan, nor do I watch female
hockey games, to be honest.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
With you, because what I can't take my eyes off, yeah,
is freaking curling.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Well that is hypnotic. For some reason, I know nothing
about curling. I know nothing how how how this works.
I have no idea how the scoring works. But for
some reason I will put it on and just sit
there and stare at forty four pound rocks going into
a target.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
It's amazing and I think there are a lot of
people who do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I have no idea, you know what it is.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
And one of the things for me is like it's
the only Olympic sport that I could ever hope to
take part in. Well, it's because right now, without pawing,
I'm pretty good at it. Even without having played the sport.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I think you could do it too. I think it's
it's one of the few sports that age doesn't matter,
nor does conditioning enter into it.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
You just have to be able to push that stone.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
And shout at the bron guy. So it's that's all
you need to do, and it's just it's fascinating. I
think you should be good at like billiards or pool
or something. I think that probably helps with just the idea.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
That and I'm not really that good at it on
either of those, but but curling I think I could.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I think I could too, And actually I wouldn't mind
like taking curling lessons.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
It's probably very difficult.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Probably My guess is it is. My guess is it is.
But to go back briefly to miss our hause there,
I still don't put him in the same category that
I put I don't know if you've seen the Chinese
skier who's originally from San Francisco, who was born and
bred in San Francisco, a wealthy family, went to top
schools and all the rest, and decided she went to
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ski for China. And she's gotten out there and bashed
the US and the Trump administration everything else without actually
turning around and looking at her host country, China, who
is killing wigurs. And you know, I have no idea
what human rights are. That's fine, but Donald Trump is
the devil incarnate. That in particular I find appalling.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
So yeah, But I mean to get back to the
whole political aspect, I think we we are all naive
because it's been going on for decades. I mean, was
it back in the nineteen sixties, the whole black power
Oh yeah, yeah, So I mean that's it's been an element.
Politics obviously played a role in nineteen seventy two. Yeah,
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with the Israel. Oh my god, Yeah, that terrible. That's
a great documentary. I was going to bring that. Yeah,
I just saw that.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I saw it too, and I thought it was tremendous, fascinating,
absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Yeah that it was fascinating. But at any rate, so.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
It goes right, it goes right to your point exactly.
But it seems to me that while politics has always
been an element here or there, it seems like people
seem to have lost the sense of what's appropriate. And
I mean, this is not a kid who's out there
going Black Power or you know, Jesse Owens standing up
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there in front of Nazi Germany. This is, in fact,
our Jim or Thorne. This is in fact, just no
sense of what's appropriate, what isn't appropriate. And it's not
just at the Olympics. I've seen it and a few
other things as well. Nowhere more apparent than in a
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House a congressional hearing this week in front of the
Committee that deals with Department of Health and Security, where
Acting ICE Director Todd Lyons was asked by Representative Lamonica
mc ivor, who everybody must remember as the as the
congresswoman who assaulted ice officers, and herself was arrested for that,
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and I don't think that. I think she's still under
some kind of ethical investigation by the House Ethics Committee.
But this is her exchange with Todd Lane this week.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Let me ask you some questions that you may be
able to answer. Mister Allons, do you consider yourself a
religious man?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Yes, ma'am?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Oh, yes? Okay, Well, how do you think judgment day
will work for you? With so much blood on your hands?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I'm not going to entertain that question.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Okay, of course not. Do you think you're going to hell? Misterllions,
I'm not going to end.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
How many General Lady will suspend, the General Lady will suspend.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Chairman as a Generallady will suspend.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
As I said, the issues we're debating here are important
to ones that members feel deeply about.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Thank you, Mile.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Vigorous disagreement is part of the legislative process. Members are
reminded that we must adhere to establish standards of decorum
and debate. The witnesses are here voluntarily, and I will
continue remind continue remind members that while oversight is important,
aggressively attacking those witnesses personally is inappropriate and not in
keeping with the traditions of our committee.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Mister Sherman, I'm just asking a question.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
She's just asking a question.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
You know, she's not the UH could speak demigration in
her voice. It just is like, you know, no, that's
not a place for it. You know, whether or not
you agree or support the actions of immigration agents or
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the comments that come from todd Lyons who used to
run the Boston office, whether or not you buy into
any of that, getting into a personal belief and asking,
you know, and putting your own personal you know, spin
on on on culpability in h in what agents are doing?
(12:44):
What kind of question is that?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, it's irresponsible. And that's a member of Congress. This
isn't a reporter, This isn't a social situation. This is
a member of Congress at a house hearing. It is
reprehensible and she should at least speak correcting.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
But even if I mean, that's not I would argue
that it's not even an appropriate question for a reported
wast No.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Probably no, no, it isn't.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
But I'm just saying even a lower level of responsibility
is not appropriate. Never Mind, she's a member of Congress
and then on top of her, we had Congressman shre
Sanadar of Michigan again speaking to lions, and also the
commissioner of the Border, Border Patrol.
Speaker 8 (13:24):
Director Lyons and Commissioner Scott. Do you think President Trump
will pardon you and your boss, Christine Home before he
leaves office, just like he has for insurrectionists and his
political allies. Do you believe President Trump will pardon you?
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Because go ahead.
Speaker 9 (13:50):
I'm not going to speak on behalf of President Trump,
but I'll tell you I signed up for this job
to protect America, and I'm very proud of the service
that I provide, and I don't need a pardon from anybody.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So, while not as obnoxious as are you going to Hell?
Still up there?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
What has he been accused of?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I mean, is there being an ice officer?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah? So, I mean that doesn't that's not a pardonable offense.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Isn't it? Well apparent according to the contest.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
This is what I mean. This has been again, this
type of stuff has been going on ever since. You know,
really Sumner was beaten by a cane, right, but I
mean this has been this is no there. You know,
we tend to look back at at colonial times and
through the Civil War. As I don't mean this but
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is we've romanticized it, you know. I mean it's sort
of we look back and we say, you know, we
look at it and say, we've you know, we've come
so far as a nation from those early days when
time and again our reputation as Americans is has been
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proven kicking people. We're very good at kicking people out,
Native Americans, the the Japanese following World War Two.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Oh, we didn't kick them out. We rounded them up, rounded.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Them up, but isolate, you know what I mean. That's
the thing. We do it over and over again.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Well, hopefully we learn a little bit each time.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I don't whether we do. We don't apply it going
forward because we do it over and over again. You know,
all of these things have played out before Greenland three
times in the past. We've tried to take that island.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Maybe, But I think the problem that we have with
the Congressman now is they're not looking to actually gather information.
They're not looking to make any situation better. They're looking
for clickbait. That's all they're looking for now. And that's
what you just saw in mac Iver And that's what
you see in shreathanad or it's it's at end. There's
another one too. And if they can't just ask an
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outrageous question, they lie. They lie like a rug. And
there's a beautiful there's a beautiful example.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
This.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
This is Eric Swalwell, Okay, who I'm not sure knows
the truth if it came up and bit them. But
this is his question to ICE director Todd Lyons.
Speaker 10 (16:11):
A six year old child battling stage four cancer has
been deported and it turns out he was a US citizen.
People are running through the fields where they work, people
who've gone to the streets as allies have been shot
and publicly executed. It's a decision to stay on at
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this point, and considering your honorable service in the past,
and the dishonorable acts that those who have worked for
you have conducted, and the disgraceful statements that the leadership
above you have said, you now have a decision. Will
you stand with the kids who you're supposed to protect
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or will you side with the killers bringing terror to
our streets? Mister Lyons, will you resign from ICE?
Speaker 9 (17:00):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (17:00):
Sorry, well why not?
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Because, sir, that child that you're showing right there the
men and women advice took care of him when his
father abandoned him in ram time has expired.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
He so a couple things there.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
The most important part to gather from that is that
the time has expired.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yes, there you go. Don't answer my question.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Never will never know because the time is expired.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
First of all, you know, they were showing that the
kid whose father ran away and then then the mother
would refuse to come and get the child, so Ice
actually took the kid in to protect him till they
could find other members of the family who would take him.
Nobody was arresting the child. That was complete missrepresentation on
the child with cancer who was quote deported. He wasn't deported.
His illegal alien parents were deported, and they said we
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want to take him with us because they said he
can stay. He's an American citizen. You have family here,
he can stay here. They said, no, no, we want to
take him with us. Nobody was deporting a cancer riddled
child I was an American. That did not happen. So
and and when we get to the issue of people
being executed, that of course is so thing. There's under
investigation between those two people. I think who It's horrific
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that both Pretty and Renee Good were killed, absolutely horrific.
But whether they were executed or not is I think
a really misuse of the English language in this case.
But there are open investigations into what happened. I think
both of those people had weapons. I think they were
put in bad situations by bad advice, and you may
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have had In fact, I think you did have trigger
happy ice agents, especially with Pretty. But he you win.
We said this before you play stupid games, you win
stupid prizes. And so that's basically what happened there. That
was a complete misrepresentation of what has happened. And why
did he do it? He didn't do it because he
has fun going out there lying. He maybe he does,
I don't know, but I think it's all about clickbait.
(18:49):
Let me get the clickbait. I need to have those
eyes on me on social media.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
This is a lowest common denominator work, yes, because you
know Donald Trump in television, the lowest common denominator wins
the ratings, right because that the theory is that you
have attracted so many people by by going to the
lowest common denominator that you can't help to have a
ratings win. The same applies in politics because the first thing, yes,
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because the the the the risk reward level is much higher.
But Gavin Newsome, the first thing you hear about him
is that he doesn't have nationwide name recognition and the
with with the with the lowest common denominator. And until
he can reach that, until anybody can reach that, nobody
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can be on a par with the man who's in
the Oval office room. Now he's P. T.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Barnum exactly he is. He is connecting with people.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Correct, And that's the secret sauce and and the whole
idea of you know, appealing to the lowest content. The
the risk on that from a political standpoint is that
a lot of people choose to form their own opinions
from the worst possible news quote unquote news sources that
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they can get that aren't news, right, And so when
you talk about clickbait, that becomes news to them and
they you know, that's and it's a vicious circles and
the circle is leading to taking us down the dream.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
And I think what happened too is to exactly your point,
with Donald Trump being the great communicator and being able
to grab as many people as possible, because, to be
honest with you, I don't think he does it deliberately.
I think that's who he is. He just gets out
there and says what he thinks. It's kind of free association,
which is fascinating in the president of the United States
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because we've never seen that before and it's just like,
oh my god, did he just say he and you
are drawn into it. I think Democrats or anybody who's
opposed to him, whether it be Republicans or Democrats, are
so desperate to get that kind of connection with people
that they do things like you just saw. Like you,
they do things like mc ivor did, saying are you
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going to hell? Or are you going to be pardoned?
Or lie about a situation. They do it because they
think that's what Donald Trump does, and so they think
that that's the key. The problem is they're not Donald Trump,
and so it just makes them look crazy. It makes
him look more of who he is. It makes them
look crazy.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
But crazy or not. There are people out there who
see that and say, yeah, this is my headline for
the day.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, But the problem is that's a smaller and smaller
group of people. And that's what you saw with Donald
Trump getting elected is that the Democrats desperation did not
translate into votes, and it's still not translating into votes.
And you see it in various issues. For instance, voter ID.
They thought he's a racist, They're racist, and then discovered
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that eighty three percent of the American people said no,
we like voter ID, and so all of a sudden, well,
he's going to nationalize the elections. The voter ID thing
went on the back burner and because nobody could defend it.
And you see it also with the Epstein files, which
kills me every single time. Nowhere is it more apparent
that Democrats are desperate than in regard to the Epstein files.
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This week, Julane Maxwell gave a deposition, sort of gave
a deposition because every single thing that she said had
the exact same response.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
Ms.
Speaker 11 (22:31):
Maxwell, were you a close friend and confidant of Jeffrey Epstein?
Speaker 12 (22:36):
I would like to answer your question, but on the
Advice and Council I respectually declined to answer this question
and any related questions.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
So that's basically what she said over and over and
over again. And the DEM's response to that was cover up.
There's a cover up on the Epstein files. It's being
covered up. And in this particular case, this is Democrat Rep.
Melanie Stansbury at a presser saying the US is engaged
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in a massive cover up.
Speaker 13 (23:12):
There are now at least nine or ten other countries
across the world that have opened investigations or forced their
leaders to step down because of their mere association with
Jeffrey Epstein. And the United States government is engaged in
an active cover up of the largest sex trafficking scandal
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and influence peddling scandal in the history of the United States.
And Donald Trump is right at the center of it.
And the person who is living to provide the evidence,
who knows what is going on, is trying to invoke
the fifth to buy her clemency.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
So, okay, the whole thing about the fifth of buyer
clemency is absolutely correct.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
I was going to say it's absolutely correct, and you
know what, I would do the exact same thing.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
But Donald truv being at the center of it got
news for you. This is Julie K. Brown of the
Miami heralds.
Speaker 14 (24:04):
It was right after that story broke in Palm Beach
that the Trump called the pomp Beach police chief, who
he knew, well, because you know Trump, Trump knew a
lot of people on pomp Beach, including the chief, and
made this comment to the effect that you know, everyone knew. First,
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he wanted to thank the police for finally stopping him,
because again Epstein was finally arrested at this time, and
then said everybody knew. And he also goes on to
describe how the or to tell the police to really
take a good look at at Maxwell because she was
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sort of the quote unquote operative and she was evil.
And he also mentioned that he had been in some
kind of a space with Epstein and a bunch of
teenage girls. It bothered him, and he said, I got
the quote, I got the hell out of there.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
So, I mean, here's the thing she's talking about, a
phone call from two thousand and six. Right, he turned
in Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell in two thousand and six.
And can I point out for you one millionth time,
the Democrats controlled the DOJ and the Epstein files for
more than four years and most recently the four years
that Joe Biden was in office, they did nothing, nothing
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with the Epstein files. And there are many Democrats listed,
yet I don't see anybody saying Joe Biden was at
the center of the Epstein files, or that maybe Bill
Clinton was considering the fact that he went, I think
it's seventeen times to Epstein Island. So it's for them
to claim here's the center of it. He's hiding things.
You had them, you had the files, you did nothing
with them. You have lost all credibility. And it just
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shows how deranged they are that they think people will now.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Buy you know, there is the possibility that this is
an extreme stroke of genius and exhibits the visionary that
a lot of people say that Donald Trump is who
back in two thousand and six may have begun the
first stages of the cover up.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
By turning in Epstein and Maxwells for the police.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Sure, because he was he was associated with There are
many There are many people who were associated with Jeffrey Epstein,
both before and after, right before and after he was
convicted as a sex offender, and up until and after
he was again facing those charges.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
However, before that phone call, a couple of things happened. One,
he threw Epstein out of mar A Lago for being
a predator on his employees who were younger women, and
By the way, Virginia Giuffrey says, under no circumstances was
Donald Trump ever involved in any of those people, and
she had no reason to lie given the fact that
she was getting ready to shuffle off this mortal coil.
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So he is I absolutely to cry. Any effort to
say he's the center of anything, plans.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
His way back saying that he is the center of it.
I'm just saying that I don't think he began to
plot for distance himself from this guy. Stopped started back
in two thousand and six.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Actually sorted before then.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Were the nobody at that point knew the depths of it.
The circumstances of Epstein's death to me still don't make
a lot of sense. No, I just I get offline
here because you know the whole To me, the whole
thing could easily be be settled with an official I guess, investigation,
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release the fine whatever. However you want to take a
look at. You want to get somebody who gets to
the bottom and looks into exactly who should be, if
anybody should be charged in this thing. What was going
on with Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I don't disagree, And you know what I'm saying, is
to keep claiming that Donald Trump is the center when
he there are a lot of people, including Donald Trump,
who before they knew what Jeffrey Epstein was, we're involved
with Jeffrey Epstein, Trump included. But when he figured it out,
he said, uh uh, get out of here, and he
turned them over to the police. But there are many
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people after that who even knew that. Still, those are
the people that you have to look at, and those
are the people that the Democrats refuse to look at.
And my whole point of this was they had the
freaking files and did nothing.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
So for them to now turn around and say Trump
is hiding stuff but this is bizarre.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
But again, this is water under the bridge now because
because until you have an investigation that officially puts this
quote unquote to bed, you are always going to have.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
But you have the documents. Now, you have three million
pages of documents.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
You really don't you really don't.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
There are something you don't have, but not very.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Many's okay, So, but that's different than.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
There are six names that are redacted.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
But it's different than having somebody in an investigative responsibility
to an independent council. However you want to look at
whoever comes up with this investigation rather than throwing it
open to the public for their own interpretation. Because that's
what's going to happen. You're going to constantly have finger
pointing in the name game.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
And you know what you are because Jeffrey Epstein is
dead and gill Maxwell and Gillen Maxwell is trying to
sell her testimony and you've never done it.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
As much as I could never listen to that woman's voice.
If I hear it again, it'll be too soon. But
you know what I mean. But I just I just think.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I think it's never going to happen.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
You're probably gets people, You're probably too right to.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Look at it. It's it's it's getting ready to tear
down the British monarchy. It's already done it too, is
it the Norwegian Norway? Or did Denmark? Denmark?
Speaker 4 (29:44):
And that's precisely why there is not an efficient.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
That's exactly why and why there will never be and
but but but in my opinion, absolutely it deserves to be.
It's never going to be one and two even though
we have all this information, even though you have evidence
that Donald Trump, once you figure it out what was
going on, that Epstein said, Ah, out of here, get
away from me. I think that even with that, the
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point that I'm trying to make is that the Democrats
have no rights to say he is the center of something.
This is another example of them lying, another example of
them trying to pull a red herring across their own issues,
given the fact that they had these documents and they
themselves did not unredact them or put them out even
though they had them. So for me, for have any
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of them say that Donald Trump is responsible or Donald
Trump is the center of a cover up is bizarre
because they sat on them themselves.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
But that's what you're going to get until this either
fades into somebody's distant memory or until but you know again,
I mean, Donald Trump is a lightning rod, you know,
from both sides.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
But the problem is that they people he is a
lightning rod. And the problem is that people think it's
okay to lie about them. Think it's up.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Yeah, h exactly now.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
And that's and it's showed me how crazy they are.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
But that's that should prove what happens when you have
a low base of UH.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
To go back to your earlier point, I think that's
absolutely correct. I think it's absolutely correct, so kind of
in line with what we just said. We end each
week with a truth or troll, and this week the
truth or troll is Marty Baron, former Washington Post executive editor,
former Boston Globe editor. We know him very very well
in New England. As a matter of fact, he was
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at the Helm during Boston Globes Glory Days when it
exposed the church, the church sex scandal, and that was
completely up to them. Brilliant, brilliant job. He was new
editor at the time, and just he is, in fact, was,
in fact, because he's retired, a brilliant newspaper editor. He
was in Miami, he was in Boston, and he ended
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up up the Washington Post. I grew up with the
Washington Post. Knew Catherine Graham, you know, been to the
Post many times, new Ben Bradley and friends and so forth.
Washington Post was a main stable of my being interested
in issues and politics growing up because it was my
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hometown newspaper. It has fallen apart and they've just laid
off four hundred people. And in the past few years,
maybe past decade, it went from being something that I
thought rivaled in New York times to being a partisan newspaper,
and I think all newspapers now have picked aside and
(32:32):
they are partisan, which I find very sad. So it's
hard to trust what you read. You tend to have
to read two or three different papers in order to
really get an accurate account of something. But Marty barn
came out with a very bizarre statement in my opinion,
and I want to know if people think it's he
actually believes it, or is he just making excuses and
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controlling So in this particular case, he suggests that the
problem that the Washing Post is having because they were
are you ready for this too soft on Donald Trump?
Speaker 11 (33:06):
Eleven days before the presidential election in twenty twenty four,
they killed an editorial for there was endorsing Kamala Harris.
He said the paper wouldn't endorse ever again for president,
and hundreds of thousands of subscribers canceled at that time,
aggravating the financial problems that they had. Subsequent to that,
he did all sorts of things that made things even worse,
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peering at the inauguration on the stage with Donald Trump,
buying the Millennia so called documentary for an exorbitant price,
buying the right, Amazon buying the rights to The Apprentice,
and Amazon had bought the rights to the Millennia's documentary
as well, and then completely changing the opinion pages so
that essentially they have no columnists who are really left
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of center, and they're very deferential to Trump, and I
think they lack a moral a moral core, and so
so all of that has driven subscribers away.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Now, so the question is does he really think that
or is he just trying to make an excuse for
the for the death of the newspaper essentially, because it
is not It's not even a shadow of what it
used to be. But my point with Marty would be,
first of all, Marty is extraordinarily liberal, but you never
saw that in his earlier papers like The Miami or
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Boston Globe. You never saw that his politics were completely
out of the newspaper right, which I respected greatly at
the Washington Post. That was not true At the Washington Post.
The paper crept more and more and more and more left.
It wasn't just giving you the news.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
It was well you you know, did it or did
politics and society itself become more extreme? Because when that happens,
when you have when the right goes way to the
right and the left goes way to the left. You know,
you kind of expose the people who are in the
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middle sometimes sometimes, So I think that maybe Marty Baron
may have been Ah, you know, of course we all
change over a period of time, but he may have
been a victim of the times.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
He might have been.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
But you know, I I all I will tell you
is that, you know, you know, for anybody who runs
a in the media, who runs a newspaper like Jeff Bezos,
to be making public appearances with the president, it's bad.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Look, it's just a completely bad luck. But the issues
with the Washington Post did not start when Donald Trump,
you know, ran the second time. They started way before them.
And I want to give you an example. And from
twenty twenty, the you know, they did a they used
to do four pinocchios. They would they would rate you know,
things with pinocchio's. You know, are they lying on the nut?
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The laptop story got four pinocchios for pinocchio noses from
the Washing Post. We now know that it was absolutely
true that the it was Hunter Biden's laptop, what was
on it, what the New York Post reporter was on.
It was on it, and it was completely and utterly
a cover up. Yet the Washington Post gave it for
Pinocchio's so they were weighing in and switching and giving
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emphasis and support to the progressive left wing party of
the Democratic Party before before the twenty twenty eleven.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
That's what happens when you blur the lines between reporting
the news and giving an opinion, and Pinocchio in that case,
is giving an opinion an opinion, and when.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
You do that, it was put out as a news story.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
This was not. This was not And I think there's
there's a lot of that that goes on in this
world today. I agree for a number of reasons.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
But that, to me sure is why the Washington Post
started to lose credibility, and that is the basis of
why that they're in trouble today, is because they gave
away their credibility in order to help one candidate win
over another. It wasn't just a you know, the editorial
page going hey, you know, we think this guy should win.
Every newspaper does that. This was insidious and they did
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it with alacrity, and so it was to me that
is why it wasn't because they were kind to Donald
Trump that is now putting a shine on a sneaker
after the fact. It was because they gave away their
credibility much earlier. So I think Marty Baron is very
well aware of this, and I think he's trolling and
making excuses at this point. Okay, that's that's my opinion.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Yeah, I mean he makes a no, it sounds to
me like, well, I think there, you know, I mean,
when you consider the life's work of Marty Baron and
you see right, okay, and you consider, you know, the
environment in which he conducted his life's work towards the
end of his arc. What I just had laid out
was that that the nation as itself has gone to
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extremes right and left. And you know, Marty may have
strayed from his inner mission from the beginning of his
career to the end of his career. And he's retired now,
so he's able to relax those standards a little bit.
But you you tendency, you have a tendency to move
within the political spectrum over your act to your career.
But when you're exposed on the left and right like
that and you stay more or less in the middle,
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your misgivings and your missteps because we all make them
are highlighted, and so I think that there's a lot
of truth in his statement there. But I also see
your point in that he is I mean, I don't
see it that way, but I see how you could
see it that way.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I have great respect for Marty Baron. I think he
was one of the great newspaper guys in our country.
But I think he was infected with Trump dysphorius syndrome
near the end of his career. Well movie said, I
think the Washington Post was exhibited that particular illness, because
that's what it is. And then I think he's still
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in the grips of it, as are a lot of
Democrats and liberals are so horrified by Donald Trump. They
don't understand that more than half the people in this
country actually resonate with Donald Trump and are tired of
being lied to and pushed about and treated by people
who patronize them and tell them they're stupid and think
that they are less than they are. And I think
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that's what Trump dysphoria is, and people have to get
over it, because I mean, I grew up a Democrat
in a Republican Washington, D C. With Ronald Reagan behind,
you know, And I got to tell you my parents
had friends who were Democrats and Republicans. I never saw
the vitriol that I see now. And I grew up
in Washington, D C. And which is the home of vitriol,
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and I didn't see it. And that is something that
has developed.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
But just remember this has all happened before, and it
will happen in the United States, and it will happen again.
I mean every every seventy or eighty years if you've
watched No.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Because that's that's one of their themes. That happened before,
and it will happen.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Oh yeah, But I mean every seventy eighty years in
this country we go through we have a moment, yeah,
and we're having a moment.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
I think that's a great way to end it. I
think that's perfect. So thank you everybody for listening. We
have we put up a new podcast every Mondays, so
check back next week and see what new offerings we have. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Bite, I'm the Questions Amendment ran Sidon.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Let me ask you some questions that you may be
able to answer. Mister Lions, do you consider yourself a
religious man?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yes, ma'am?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Oh, yes, okay, Well, how do you think judgment Day
will work for you? With so much blood on your hands?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I'm not going to entertain that question.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Oh okay, of course not. Do you think you're going
to hell? Mister Lions?
Speaker 5 (00:51):
There is the Vice President jd Events right, those are
not Those are a lot of boves for him, whistling Jerry.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Some applause, some applause. She said, here, here's the thing.
Thought that that was the opening ceremonies from uh the
Milan courtina. And you know it's funny. I had a
I have a millennial board op in the show I work.
And he turned to me and said, how long has
(01:23):
Malan been called Milan Courtina Like, uh, it's not, you know,
it's that's it's two cities.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Complete and they're separated by like hundreds of miles.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
They are they are indeed, so I was like, no, no, no, no.
But in any event, that was the opening ceremonies. And
this was the NBC people saying how the vice president
and wife made an appearance and that there were in
their words, there were the crowd was booing.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
In an individual sport, what an honor for her.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
There's the vice president jd events. Those are not a
lot of boobs for him, whistling Jerry supper clause.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Here's the problem. There were other people there besides the
two mcs, and they're like, there was no I heard
nobody going. And a matter of fact, if you listen
to the natural sound of the opening ceremony that don't
have them on them. Tell me where you hear they're buying.
(02:43):
That sounds like a pretty happy crowd to me.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
It's also all about the base apparently over.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
There it is. It is. Indeed you did, but that's
you know, it's and I suppose people can say it's
a matter of you know, interpretation, but the problem is
that NBC has a bad track record of doing edits
and misrepresenting things, and they did it again, and you
think they would have learned by now that it's going
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to backfire, because in this day and age, when everybody
has an iPhone and everybody has the ability to record everything,
that you can't fib because you're going to get caught immediately,
and they have a huge credibility issue.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And that's a lesson that we as a public will
never learn. By the way, No, we'll never learn that.
And because it doesn't, it doesn't serve any purpose to
learn it, because the important thing is to record it
and be able to speak whatever you need to say
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and ripped apart.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
They will pee on you and tell you it's raining
and you say, but I just here's a video of
you peeing on me, and they still they'll still design
then still deny it. So it's it's to use a
very overused phrase, it's gaslighting. It's like, no, I didn't that.
I just have a tape of you saying that, No
I didn't say that, as I mean, that's the response
you get these days, and I find it disheartening in
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regard to the Olympics, because I thought the Olympics was
a politics free zone and you could just enjoy sport
for sport, and you know, a globalization that did not
include oh you are you are economy. So seriously, I
get called naive all the time, so I was really
surprised with NBC. I was also surprised with one of
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the US freestyle skaters or skiers sorry Hunter hess who
decided in his US uniform to get up and say this.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
It brings up makesed the emotions to represent the US
right now. I think it's a little hard. There's obviously
a lot going on that I'm not the biggest fan of,
and I think a lot of people aren't. Just because
I'm wearing the flag doesn't mean I represent everything that's
going on in the US.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I don't think it's the best time in the world
world to when you're sitting there, the big US flag
on your chest in USA across your back, to start
bashing the United States. First of all, who cares you're
a millennial freestyle skier. I'm lucky that you know what
you know what a vote is. To be honest with you,
this is the first you saw the story. This is
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the first generation that's more stupid than the generation before them.
And yet he thinks that this was an appropriate use
of a stuy.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Yeah, but so, I mean, here's the devil's advocate here.
Nothing wrong with what he's saying.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
No, except he's bashing his country saying I don't like
what's going on there. Okay, fine, but this is not
the appropriate place to do that as a political statement.
Maybe not, but don't do it here.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Would he make that extemporaneously or was he asked?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
He made it extemporaneously, and he was sorry for it
because social media landed on him, with both of you
saying if you're not comfortable you're representing the United States
as a whole, then don't compete.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Would say, I would say that I would agree with
that sentiment because that was the wrong place to, uh,
to get on your soapbox. But you know, I would
also tell you that if somebody had asked him a
question what it means to him or along that that
ilk and then he went on that tie raid, that's different.
I'm like, I'm all all in.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I don't have a problem with that. I agree with you,
it was extemporaneous, and I'll granted I don't, and he
was sorry for it and said later he took it
back and said I should not have done that, and
which was appropriate.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
By the way, I have a disclaimer about the Olympics
because I don't want to say I'm I just I
don't get into the Olympics for some reason until until
like the final days of the games, when everybody's been
talking about it, and then I watch and I'm like, wow,
I've been missing out on this. Yes, it happens every
time it's summer Olympics, Winterlin.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
You can't bring itself to watch.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I just can't for whatever. I don't know what it is,
because I'm a creature, a creature of routine, right, yeah,
you can't change. Yeah, And so when I get into
something like that, I normally come in late to the
party and wish that I had been the whole time.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Well, just as a disclaimer, if you like hockey, I
think you should be watching the team. I know they
are kicking ass, I know business and I actually I'm
generally not a hockey fan, nor do I watch female
hockey games, to be honest.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
With you, because what I can't take my eyes off, yeah,
is freaking curling.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Well that is hypnotic. For some reason, I know nothing
about curling. I know nothing how how how this works.
I have no idea how the scoring works. But for
some reason I will put it on and just sit
there and stare at forty four pound rocks going into
a target.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
It's amazing and I think there are a lot of
people who do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I have no idea, you know what it is.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
And one of the things for me is like it's
the only Olympic sport that I could ever hope to
take part in. Well, it's because right now, without pawing,
I'm pretty good at it. Even without having played the sport.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I think you could do it too. I think it's
it's one of the few sports that age doesn't matter,
nor does conditioning enter into it.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
You just have to be able to push that stone.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
And shout at the bron guy. So it's that's all
you need to do, and it's just it's fascinating. I
think you should be good at like billiards or pool
or something. I think that probably helps with just the idea.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
That and I'm not really that good at it on
either of those, but but curling I think I could.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I think I could too, And actually I wouldn't mind
like taking curling lessons.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
It's probably very difficult.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Probably My guess is it is. My guess is it is.
But to go back briefly to miss our hause there,
I still don't put him in the same category that
I put I don't know if you've seen the Chinese
skier who's originally from San Francisco, who was born and
bred in San Francisco, a wealthy family, went to top
schools and all the rest, and decided she went to
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ski for China. And she's gotten out there and bashed
the US and the Trump administration everything else without actually
turning around and looking at her host country, China, who
is killing wigurs. And you know, I have no idea
what human rights are. That's fine, but Donald Trump is
the devil incarnate. That in particular I find appalling.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
So yeah, But I mean to get back to the
whole political aspect, I think we we are all naive
because it's been going on for decades. I mean, was
it back in the nineteen sixties, the whole black power
Oh yeah, yeah, So I mean that's it's been an element.
Politics obviously played a role in nineteen seventy two. Yeah,
(09:31):
with the Israel. Oh my god, Yeah, that terrible. That's
a great documentary. I was going to bring that. Yeah,
I just saw that.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I saw it too, and I thought it was tremendous, fascinating,
absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Yeah that it was fascinating. But at any rate, so.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
It goes right, it goes right to your point exactly.
But it seems to me that while politics has always
been an element here or there, it seems like people
seem to have lost the sense of what's appropriate. And
I mean, this is not a kid who's out there
going Black Power or you know, Jesse Owens standing up
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there in front of Nazi Germany. This is, in fact,
our Jim or Thorne. This is in fact, just no
sense of what's appropriate, what isn't appropriate. And it's not
just at the Olympics. I've seen it and a few
other things as well. Nowhere more apparent than in a
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House a congressional hearing this week in front of the
Committee that deals with Department of Health and Security, where
Acting ICE Director Todd Lyons was asked by Representative Lamonica
mc ivor, who everybody must remember as the as the
congresswoman who assaulted ice officers, and herself was arrested for that,
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and I don't think that. I think she's still under
some kind of ethical investigation by the House Ethics Committee.
But this is her exchange with Todd Lane this week.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Let me ask you some questions that you may be
able to answer. Mister Allons, do you consider yourself a
religious man?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Yes, ma'am?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Oh, yes? Okay, Well, how do you think judgment day
will work for you? With so much blood on your hands?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I'm not going to entertain that question.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Okay, of course not. Do you think you're going to hell? Misterllions,
I'm not going to end.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
How many General Lady will suspend, the General Lady will suspend.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Chairman as a Generallady will suspend.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
As I said, the issues we're debating here are important
to ones that members feel deeply about.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Thank you, Mile.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Vigorous disagreement is part of the legislative process. Members are
reminded that we must adhere to establish standards of decorum
and debate. The witnesses are here voluntarily, and I will
continue remind continue remind members that while oversight is important,
aggressively attacking those witnesses personally is inappropriate and not in
keeping with the traditions of our committee.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Mister Sherman, I'm just asking a question.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
She's just asking a question.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
You know, she's not the UH could speak demigration in
her voice. It just is like, you know, no, that's
not a place for it. You know, whether or not
you agree or support the actions of immigration agents or
(12:20):
the comments that come from todd Lyons who used to
run the Boston office, whether or not you buy into
any of that, getting into a personal belief and asking,
you know, and putting your own personal you know, spin
on on on culpability in h in what agents are doing?
(12:44):
What kind of question is that?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, it's irresponsible. And that's a member of Congress. This
isn't a reporter, This isn't a social situation. This is
a member of Congress at a house hearing. It is
reprehensible and she should at least speak correcting.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
But even if I mean, that's not I would argue
that it's not even an appropriate question for a reported
wast No.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Probably no, no, it isn't.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
But I'm just saying even a lower level of responsibility
is not appropriate. Never Mind, she's a member of Congress
and then on top of her, we had Congressman shre
Sanadar of Michigan again speaking to lions, and also the
commissioner of the Border, Border Patrol.
Speaker 8 (13:24):
Director Lyons and Commissioner Scott. Do you think President Trump
will pardon you and your boss, Christine Home before he
leaves office, just like he has for insurrectionists and his
political allies. Do you believe President Trump will pardon you?
(13:48):
Because go ahead.
Speaker 9 (13:50):
I'm not going to speak on behalf of President Trump,
but I'll tell you I signed up for this job
to protect America, and I'm very proud of the service
that I provide, and I don't need a pardon from anybody.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So, while not as obnoxious as are you going to Hell?
Still up there?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
What has he been accused of?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I mean, is there being an ice officer?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah? So, I mean that doesn't that's not a pardonable offense.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Isn't it? Well apparent according to the contest.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
This is what I mean. This has been again, this
type of stuff has been going on ever since. You know,
really Sumner was beaten by a cane, right, but I
mean this has been this is no there. You know,
we tend to look back at at colonial times and
through the Civil War. As I don't mean this but
(14:39):
is we've romanticized it, you know. I mean it's sort
of we look back and we say, you know, we
look at it and say, we've you know, we've come
so far as a nation from those early days when
time and again our reputation as Americans is has been
(14:59):
proven kicking people. We're very good at kicking people out,
Native Americans, the the Japanese following World War Two.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Oh, we didn't kick them out. We rounded them up, rounded.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Them up, but isolate, you know what I mean. That's
the thing. We do it over and over again.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Well, hopefully we learn a little bit each time.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I don't whether we do. We don't apply it going
forward because we do it over and over again. You know,
all of these things have played out before Greenland three
times in the past. We've tried to take that island.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Maybe, But I think the problem that we have with
the Congressman now is they're not looking to actually gather information.
They're not looking to make any situation better. They're looking
for clickbait. That's all they're looking for now. And that's
what you just saw in mac Iver And that's what
you see in shreathanad or it's it's at end. There's
another one too. And if they can't just ask an
(15:55):
outrageous question, they lie. They lie like a rug. And
there's a beautiful there's a beautiful example.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
This.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
This is Eric Swalwell, Okay, who I'm not sure knows
the truth if it came up and bit them. But
this is his question to ICE director Todd Lyons.
Speaker 10 (16:11):
A six year old child battling stage four cancer has
been deported and it turns out he was a US citizen.
People are running through the fields where they work, people
who've gone to the streets as allies have been shot
and publicly executed. It's a decision to stay on at
(16:31):
this point, and considering your honorable service in the past,
and the dishonorable acts that those who have worked for
you have conducted, and the disgraceful statements that the leadership
above you have said, you now have a decision. Will
you stand with the kids who you're supposed to protect
(16:52):
or will you side with the killers bringing terror to
our streets? Mister Lyons, will you resign from ICE?
Speaker 9 (17:00):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (17:00):
Sorry, well why not?
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Because, sir, that child that you're showing right there the
men and women advice took care of him when his
father abandoned him in ram time has expired.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
He so a couple things there.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
The most important part to gather from that is that
the time has expired.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yes, there you go. Don't answer my question.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Never will never know because the time is expired.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
First of all, you know, they were showing that the
kid whose father ran away and then then the mother
would refuse to come and get the child, so Ice
actually took the kid in to protect him till they
could find other members of the family who would take him.
Nobody was arresting the child. That was complete missrepresentation on
the child with cancer who was quote deported. He wasn't deported.
His illegal alien parents were deported, and they said we
(17:43):
want to take him with us because they said he
can stay. He's an American citizen. You have family here,
he can stay here. They said, no, no, we want to
take him with us. Nobody was deporting a cancer riddled
child I was an American. That did not happen. So
and and when we get to the issue of people
being executed, that of course is so thing. There's under
investigation between those two people. I think who It's horrific
(18:05):
that both Pretty and Renee Good were killed, absolutely horrific.
But whether they were executed or not is I think
a really misuse of the English language in this case.
But there are open investigations into what happened. I think
both of those people had weapons. I think they were
put in bad situations by bad advice, and you may
(18:27):
have had In fact, I think you did have trigger
happy ice agents, especially with Pretty. But he you win.
We said this before you play stupid games, you win
stupid prizes. And so that's basically what happened there. That
was a complete misrepresentation of what has happened. And why
did he do it? He didn't do it because he
has fun going out there lying. He maybe he does,
I don't know, but I think it's all about clickbait.
(18:49):
Let me get the clickbait. I need to have those
eyes on me on social media.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
This is a lowest common denominator work, yes, because you
know Donald Trump in television, the lowest common denominator wins
the ratings, right because that the theory is that you
have attracted so many people by by going to the
lowest common denominator that you can't help to have a
ratings win. The same applies in politics because the first thing, yes,
(19:20):
because the the the the risk reward level is much higher.
But Gavin Newsome, the first thing you hear about him
is that he doesn't have nationwide name recognition and the
with with the with the lowest common denominator. And until
he can reach that, until anybody can reach that, nobody
(19:42):
can be on a par with the man who's in
the Oval office room. Now he's P. T.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Barnum exactly he is. He is connecting with people.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Correct, And that's the secret sauce and and the whole
idea of you know, appealing to the lowest content. The
the risk on that from a political standpoint is that
a lot of people choose to form their own opinions
from the worst possible news quote unquote news sources that
(20:11):
they can get that aren't news, right, And so when
you talk about clickbait, that becomes news to them and
they you know, that's and it's a vicious circles and
the circle is leading to taking us down the dream.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
And I think what happened too is to exactly your point,
with Donald Trump being the great communicator and being able
to grab as many people as possible, because, to be
honest with you, I don't think he does it deliberately.
I think that's who he is. He just gets out
there and says what he thinks. It's kind of free association,
which is fascinating in the president of the United States
(20:45):
because we've never seen that before and it's just like,
oh my god, did he just say he and you
are drawn into it. I think Democrats or anybody who's
opposed to him, whether it be Republicans or Democrats, are
so desperate to get that kind of connection with people
that they do things like you just saw. Like you,
they do things like mc ivor did, saying are you
(21:07):
going to hell? Or are you going to be pardoned?
Or lie about a situation. They do it because they
think that's what Donald Trump does, and so they think
that that's the key. The problem is they're not Donald Trump,
and so it just makes them look crazy. It makes
him look more of who he is. It makes them
look crazy.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
But crazy or not. There are people out there who
see that and say, yeah, this is my headline for
the day.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, But the problem is that's a smaller and smaller
group of people. And that's what you saw with Donald
Trump getting elected is that the Democrats desperation did not
translate into votes, and it's still not translating into votes.
And you see it in various issues. For instance, voter ID.
They thought he's a racist, They're racist, and then discovered
(21:54):
that eighty three percent of the American people said no,
we like voter ID, and so all of a sudden, well,
he's going to nationalize the elections. The voter ID thing
went on the back burner and because nobody could defend it.
And you see it also with the Epstein files, which
kills me every single time. Nowhere is it more apparent
that Democrats are desperate than in regard to the Epstein files.
(22:16):
This week, Julane Maxwell gave a deposition, sort of gave
a deposition because every single thing that she said had
the exact same response.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
Ms.
Speaker 11 (22:31):
Maxwell, were you a close friend and confidant of Jeffrey Epstein?
Speaker 12 (22:36):
I would like to answer your question, but on the
Advice and Council I respectually declined to answer this question
and any related questions.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
So that's basically what she said over and over and
over again. And the DEM's response to that was cover up.
There's a cover up on the Epstein files. It's being
covered up. And in this particular case, this is Democrat Rep.
Melanie Stansbury at a presser saying the US is engaged
(23:10):
in a massive cover up.
Speaker 13 (23:12):
There are now at least nine or ten other countries
across the world that have opened investigations or forced their
leaders to step down because of their mere association with
Jeffrey Epstein. And the United States government is engaged in
an active cover up of the largest sex trafficking scandal
(23:32):
and influence peddling scandal in the history of the United States.
And Donald Trump is right at the center of it.
And the person who is living to provide the evidence,
who knows what is going on, is trying to invoke
the fifth to buy her clemency.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
So, okay, the whole thing about the fifth of buyer
clemency is absolutely correct.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
I was going to say it's absolutely correct, and you
know what, I would do the exact same thing.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
But Donald truv being at the center of it got
news for you. This is Julie K. Brown of the
Miami heralds.
Speaker 14 (24:04):
It was right after that story broke in Palm Beach
that the Trump called the pomp Beach police chief, who
he knew, well, because you know Trump, Trump knew a
lot of people on pomp Beach, including the chief, and
made this comment to the effect that you know, everyone knew. First,
(24:24):
he wanted to thank the police for finally stopping him,
because again Epstein was finally arrested at this time, and
then said everybody knew. And he also goes on to
describe how the or to tell the police to really
take a good look at at Maxwell because she was
(24:45):
sort of the quote unquote operative and she was evil.
And he also mentioned that he had been in some
kind of a space with Epstein and a bunch of
teenage girls. It bothered him, and he said, I got
the quote, I got the hell out of there.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
So, I mean, here's the thing she's talking about, a
phone call from two thousand and six. Right, he turned
in Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell in two thousand and six.
And can I point out for you one millionth time,
the Democrats controlled the DOJ and the Epstein files for
more than four years and most recently the four years
that Joe Biden was in office, they did nothing, nothing
(25:23):
with the Epstein files. And there are many Democrats listed,
yet I don't see anybody saying Joe Biden was at
the center of the Epstein files, or that maybe Bill
Clinton was considering the fact that he went, I think
it's seventeen times to Epstein Island. So it's for them
to claim here's the center of it. He's hiding things.
You had them, you had the files, you did nothing
with them. You have lost all credibility. And it just
(25:45):
shows how deranged they are that they think people will now.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Buy you know, there is the possibility that this is
an extreme stroke of genius and exhibits the visionary that
a lot of people say that Donald Trump is who
back in two thousand and six may have begun the
first stages of the cover up.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
By turning in Epstein and Maxwells for the police.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Sure, because he was he was associated with There are
many There are many people who were associated with Jeffrey Epstein,
both before and after, right before and after he was
convicted as a sex offender, and up until and after
he was again facing those charges.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
However, before that phone call, a couple of things happened. One,
he threw Epstein out of mar A Lago for being
a predator on his employees who were younger women, and
By the way, Virginia Giuffrey says, under no circumstances was
Donald Trump ever involved in any of those people, and
she had no reason to lie given the fact that
she was getting ready to shuffle off this mortal coil.
(26:54):
So he is I absolutely to cry. Any effort to
say he's the center of anything, plans.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
His way back saying that he is the center of it.
I'm just saying that I don't think he began to
plot for distance himself from this guy. Stopped started back
in two thousand and six.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Actually sorted before then.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Were the nobody at that point knew the depths of it.
The circumstances of Epstein's death to me still don't make
a lot of sense. No, I just I get offline
here because you know the whole To me, the whole
thing could easily be be settled with an official I guess, investigation,
(27:37):
release the fine whatever. However you want to take a
look at. You want to get somebody who gets to
the bottom and looks into exactly who should be, if
anybody should be charged in this thing. What was going
on with Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I don't disagree, And you know what I'm saying, is
to keep claiming that Donald Trump is the center when
he there are a lot of people, including Donald Trump,
who before they knew what Jeffrey Epstein was, we're involved
with Jeffrey Epstein, Trump included. But when he figured it out,
he said, uh uh, get out of here, and he
turned them over to the police. But there are many
(28:10):
people after that who even knew that. Still, those are
the people that you have to look at, and those
are the people that the Democrats refuse to look at.
And my whole point of this was they had the
freaking files and did nothing.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
So for them to now turn around and say Trump
is hiding stuff but this is bizarre.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
But again, this is water under the bridge now because
because until you have an investigation that officially puts this
quote unquote to bed, you are always going to have.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
But you have the documents. Now, you have three million
pages of documents.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
You really don't you really don't.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
There are something you don't have, but not very.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Many's okay, So, but that's different than.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
There are six names that are redacted.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
But it's different than having somebody in an investigative responsibility
to an independent council. However you want to look at
whoever comes up with this investigation rather than throwing it
open to the public for their own interpretation. Because that's
what's going to happen. You're going to constantly have finger
pointing in the name game.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
And you know what you are because Jeffrey Epstein is
dead and gill Maxwell and Gillen Maxwell is trying to
sell her testimony and you've never done it.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
As much as I could never listen to that woman's voice.
If I hear it again, it'll be too soon. But
you know what I mean. But I just I just think.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I think it's never going to happen.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
You're probably gets people, You're probably too right to.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Look at it. It's it's it's getting ready to tear
down the British monarchy. It's already done it too, is
it the Norwegian Norway? Or did Denmark? Denmark?
Speaker 4 (29:44):
And that's precisely why there is not an efficient.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
That's exactly why and why there will never be and
but but but in my opinion, absolutely it deserves to be.
It's never going to be one and two even though
we have all this information, even though you have evidence
that Donald Trump, once you figure it out what was
going on, that Epstein said, Ah, out of here, get
away from me. I think that even with that, the
(30:09):
point that I'm trying to make is that the Democrats
have no rights to say he is the center of something.
This is another example of them lying, another example of
them trying to pull a red herring across their own issues,
given the fact that they had these documents and they
themselves did not unredact them or put them out even
though they had them. So for me, for have any
(30:32):
of them say that Donald Trump is responsible or Donald
Trump is the center of a cover up is bizarre
because they sat on them themselves.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
But that's what you're going to get until this either
fades into somebody's distant memory or until but you know again,
I mean, Donald Trump is a lightning rod, you know,
from both sides.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
But the problem is that they people he is a
lightning rod. And the problem is that people think it's
okay to lie about them. Think it's up.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Yeah, h exactly now.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
And that's and it's showed me how crazy they are.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
But that's that should prove what happens when you have
a low base of UH.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
To go back to your earlier point, I think that's
absolutely correct. I think it's absolutely correct, so kind of
in line with what we just said. We end each
week with a truth or troll, and this week the
truth or troll is Marty Baron, former Washington Post executive editor,
former Boston Globe editor. We know him very very well
in New England. As a matter of fact, he was
(31:29):
at the Helm during Boston Globes Glory Days when it
exposed the church, the church sex scandal, and that was
completely up to them. Brilliant, brilliant job. He was new
editor at the time, and just he is, in fact, was,
in fact, because he's retired, a brilliant newspaper editor. He
was in Miami, he was in Boston, and he ended
(31:50):
up up the Washington Post. I grew up with the
Washington Post. Knew Catherine Graham, you know, been to the
Post many times, new Ben Bradley and friends and so forth.
Washington Post was a main stable of my being interested
in issues and politics growing up because it was my
(32:12):
hometown newspaper. It has fallen apart and they've just laid
off four hundred people. And in the past few years,
maybe past decade, it went from being something that I
thought rivaled in New York times to being a partisan newspaper,
and I think all newspapers now have picked aside and
(32:32):
they are partisan, which I find very sad. So it's
hard to trust what you read. You tend to have
to read two or three different papers in order to
really get an accurate account of something. But Marty barn
came out with a very bizarre statement in my opinion,
and I want to know if people think it's he
actually believes it, or is he just making excuses and
(32:54):
controlling So in this particular case, he suggests that the
problem that the Washing Post is having because they were
are you ready for this too soft on Donald Trump?
Speaker 11 (33:06):
Eleven days before the presidential election in twenty twenty four,
they killed an editorial for there was endorsing Kamala Harris.
He said the paper wouldn't endorse ever again for president,
and hundreds of thousands of subscribers canceled at that time,
aggravating the financial problems that they had. Subsequent to that,
he did all sorts of things that made things even worse,
(33:28):
peering at the inauguration on the stage with Donald Trump,
buying the Millennia so called documentary for an exorbitant price,
buying the right, Amazon buying the rights to The Apprentice,
and Amazon had bought the rights to the Millennia's documentary
as well, and then completely changing the opinion pages so
that essentially they have no columnists who are really left
(33:51):
of center, and they're very deferential to Trump, and I
think they lack a moral a moral core, and so
so all of that has driven subscribers away.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Now, so the question is does he really think that
or is he just trying to make an excuse for
the for the death of the newspaper essentially, because it
is not It's not even a shadow of what it
used to be. But my point with Marty would be,
first of all, Marty is extraordinarily liberal, but you never
saw that in his earlier papers like The Miami or
(34:25):
Boston Globe. You never saw that his politics were completely
out of the newspaper right, which I respected greatly at
the Washington Post. That was not true At the Washington Post.
The paper crept more and more and more and more left.
It wasn't just giving you the news.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
It was well you you know, did it or did
politics and society itself become more extreme? Because when that happens,
when you have when the right goes way to the
right and the left goes way to the left. You know,
you kind of expose the people who are in the
(35:00):
middle sometimes sometimes, So I think that maybe Marty Baron
may have been Ah, you know, of course we all
change over a period of time, but he may have
been a victim of the times.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
He might have been.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
But you know, I I all I will tell you
is that, you know, you know, for anybody who runs
a in the media, who runs a newspaper like Jeff Bezos,
to be making public appearances with the president, it's bad.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Look, it's just a completely bad luck. But the issues
with the Washington Post did not start when Donald Trump,
you know, ran the second time. They started way before them.
And I want to give you an example. And from
twenty twenty, the you know, they did a they used
to do four pinocchios. They would they would rate you know,
things with pinocchio's. You know, are they lying on the nut?
(35:46):
The laptop story got four pinocchios for pinocchio noses from
the Washing Post. We now know that it was absolutely
true that the it was Hunter Biden's laptop, what was
on it, what the New York Post reporter was on.
It was on it, and it was completely and utterly
a cover up. Yet the Washington Post gave it for
Pinocchio's so they were weighing in and switching and giving
(36:08):
emphasis and support to the progressive left wing party of
the Democratic Party before before the twenty twenty eleven.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
That's what happens when you blur the lines between reporting
the news and giving an opinion, and Pinocchio in that case,
is giving an opinion an opinion, and when.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
You do that, it was put out as a news story.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
This was not. This was not And I think there's
there's a lot of that that goes on in this
world today. I agree for a number of reasons.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
But that, to me sure is why the Washington Post
started to lose credibility, and that is the basis of
why that they're in trouble today, is because they gave
away their credibility in order to help one candidate win
over another. It wasn't just a you know, the editorial
page going hey, you know, we think this guy should win.
Every newspaper does that. This was insidious and they did
(36:58):
it with alacrity, and so it was to me that
is why it wasn't because they were kind to Donald
Trump that is now putting a shine on a sneaker
after the fact. It was because they gave away their
credibility much earlier. So I think Marty Baron is very
well aware of this, and I think he's trolling and
making excuses at this point. Okay, that's that's my opinion.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Yeah, I mean he makes a no, it sounds to
me like, well, I think there, you know, I mean,
when you consider the life's work of Marty Baron and
you see right, okay, and you consider, you know, the
environment in which he conducted his life's work towards the
end of his arc. What I just had laid out
was that that the nation as itself has gone to
(37:40):
extremes right and left. And you know, Marty may have
strayed from his inner mission from the beginning of his
career to the end of his career. And he's retired now,
so he's able to relax those standards a little bit.
But you you tendency, you have a tendency to move
within the political spectrum over your act to your career.
But when you're exposed on the left and right like
that and you stay more or less in the middle,
(38:04):
your misgivings and your missteps because we all make them
are highlighted, and so I think that there's a lot
of truth in his statement there. But I also see
your point in that he is I mean, I don't
see it that way, but I see how you could
see it that way.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I have great respect for Marty Baron. I think he
was one of the great newspaper guys in our country.
But I think he was infected with Trump dysphorius syndrome
near the end of his career. Well movie said, I
think the Washington Post was exhibited that particular illness, because
that's what it is. And then I think he's still
(38:46):
in the grips of it, as are a lot of
Democrats and liberals are so horrified by Donald Trump. They
don't understand that more than half the people in this
country actually resonate with Donald Trump and are tired of
being lied to and pushed about and treated by people
who patronize them and tell them they're stupid and think
that they are less than they are. And I think
(39:07):
that's what Trump dysphoria is, and people have to get
over it, because I mean, I grew up a Democrat
in a Republican Washington, D C. With Ronald Reagan behind,
you know, And I got to tell you my parents
had friends who were Democrats and Republicans. I never saw
the vitriol that I see now. And I grew up
in Washington, D C. And which is the home of vitriol,
(39:28):
and I didn't see it. And that is something that
has developed.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
But just remember this has all happened before, and it
will happen in the United States, and it will happen again.
I mean every every seventy or eighty years if you've
watched No.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Because that's that's one of their themes. That happened before,
and it will happen.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Oh yeah, But I mean every seventy eighty years in
this country we go through we have a moment, yeah,
and we're having a moment.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
I think that's a great way to end it. I
think that's perfect. So thank you everybody for listening. We
have we put up a new podcast every Mondays, so
check back next week and see what new offerings we have. Meanwhile,
you can contact us on x at news Byte three
or on Facebook at news Bite. Have a great week.
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