The murder trial of an Aurora dentist takes another surreal turn, as one of his daughters testifies that she received a letter from his fellow inmate instructing her how to create a 'deep fake' video on the dark web of her mother saying she asked him to order her poisonous substances online to commit suicide/
Richard Holtorf provides an update on his quest to be vice chair of the Colorado Republican Party.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The second daughter told a completely different story about a
different episode. She described getting a phone call from the
jail from her father who asked her to come down
and bail another inmate out. He told her the inmate
was a cousin of hers. She didn't know this person,
but she has a big family and so she said
it was believable. She bailed this man out and he
handed her a letter from her father. It asked her
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to buy a burner laptop and create a deep fake
video that would show her now dead mother saying that
she got James Craig to order these poisons and that
she took them herself. He described how she should use
the dark web to make this happen and how she
should destroy the laptop afterwards. Instead of doing any of that,
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that second daughter took the letter to police.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
This is following up on our conversation from yesterday with
Stephan Tubbs, who was a patient of this Aurora dentist.
James Craig, now on trial for murder of his wife
in the hopes of pursuing an affair with a woman
who says they hadn't even gotten hot and heavy yet
not really not beyond just kind of words and messages
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and exchanging things like that. So he saw that as
an off ramp to off his wife. And then you
hear those diabolical details that the scheming, the planning, the
thought like how muny watch too many movies or something
following up on the right side of Hollywood. There he
wanted his daughter to bail out this other inmate, who
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then carried a note that the dentist the father wrote
that instructed her to get some kind of laptop that
would later be destroyed to create some deep fake video
using the dark web of her mother, the deceased wife,
saying on video, and why would she say this on
video under what circumstance? What let's say, let's just play
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this out. A suicidal woman sit down and go, you
know what, I don't want my husband to be blame
for this, but I'm going to poison myself slowly and torturously.
I might add with these additives to these drinks I've
been having. And I want people to know that this
was all part of my plan to kill myself, not
my husband's. He did nothing to do with I told
him to order the poisons and put them in my drinks.
(02:13):
Like this makes absolutely no sense. This is beyond the
realm of sheer insanity. This is why I say, I
don't even know why that's a defense, because if you
think this through, anybody who would do this categorically and
automatically and inherently is insane. James Craig, Jim Craig, is
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Stephan Tubbs knew him is insane. There's no sane person
that would do this. Is BTK sane? Was Jeffrey Dahmer sane?
Was Ted Bundy sane? I mean, in some ways, maybe functionally,
but diabolical, narcissistic sociopaths that have no empathy. I mean
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there's a pattern here to serial killers or people that
kill in general or do so under such cold blooded
circumstance answers. And that's what Jim Craig did there. That
was Kevin Vaughan nine News reporting. And I think there
was another detail that I wanted to get to here.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I think this is it, Kim.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
When the first daughter got on the stands from her
first words, she was in tears, and many people in
the courtroom were in tears. There's a large contingent of
family and friends that are here to support them. But
she also seemed to smile when she turned to look
at her father. When a prosecutor asked her to identify
him and to say what he was wearing, she made
a joke about not being able to say what color
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his tie was. The second daughter was of a completely
different demeanor, very stoic, very matter of fact, and really
did not show emotion as she was going through this.
You know, this incredible testimony that goes to one of
the other charges he faces, which is that he tried
to get other people to fabricate evidence live for him
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and kill witnesses.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
What a difficult day for those young women and those
you know their children.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
All right, thank you, Kevin.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
What is he in the mafia trying to get witnesses killed?
I want you to talk to this guy, get him
the shut up. But if you know what I mean,
to make him go away? What the Kelly? How do
you react to everything you've heard?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
These poor daughters, these two girls that had to go
up on the stand and testify against their father.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
So my first question is he finally discovered or I
guess he did discover that a burner laptop exists, because
he certainly didn't do that when he researched how to
kill and poison his wife on his office laptop. But
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now he's instructing his daughter.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
That's a good.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Point to get a burner laptop and try to frame
his his wife her mother into some sort of a
suicide attempt with cyanide and arsenic. You got to be kidding,
made Come on, come on, how do we have the
ages of these.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Girls by two?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I don't know if I know that Nine News in
the reporting. I respect this. Kevin Vaughan chose not to
identify them.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
Yeah, you can't show him on camera if they're definitely
under eighteen.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
So let's just assume that it's.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
Terrible that they had to do this, And doesn't he
have three other children that are much younger, So they're
living without a mother, they don't have a father who
knows what their future is going to hold. So this
entire case is just totally crazy on the on the
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surface of it.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
But do we know is his defense insanity?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
No? I don't believe. So his defense is that the
wife was suicidal.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
Okay, So that is so he's basically trying to prove
like he's basically trying to introduce reasonable doubt.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Alternate theories. Yeah, this is typical from a defense. I mean,
everybody's entitled to a vigorous defense.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I get that.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I just don't think it's a very good or effective defense.
When okay, let's this is a little dark, but we'll
go down this road. A man, if he's thinking about
killing himself, how does he.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Normally do it?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
It'd be a gunshot usually to the head is kind
of number one, I think.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Methodically.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Oh yeah, men are much more likely to shoot themselves.
Women will cut their wrists and yes.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Bleed out that way.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Or the overdose on pills, like some kind of massive
overdose on pills, they kind of go to sleep. Never
have I ever thought a person would torture themselves to
death slowly, methodically with arsenic and old lace and whatever else.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And then he would put a video out.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I mean, this doesn't add up even as an alternative theory.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
Now, and this guy obviously has not watched twenty twenty
forty eight hours or Dateline Quick.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
I do religiously.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Has been an episode yet, or I'm sure it will be.
It's happening in real time.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
I guess sure.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
I haven't seen it yet, because I would be talking
about about it right, But I just it's it stupefies
me that he really honestly wrote a letter, asked his
daughter out to.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
The letter that wasson, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
And so many it was a lie, anomalous theories that
go on.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
This guy, Jim Craig lies to breathe. It just comes
out of him pathologically. And you know a lot of
people like that probably, but not murderers that this murderer is.
But just can you imagine being Stephan Tubbs and watching
all this unfold coming on and talking to me about it.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Well, I actually talked him off the air. I'm like,
this dude gave you nitrous.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah, and he's not gonna kill Stephen Tubbs.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Thank got well still, I mean he's he had to
give it to other patients. He had to give You know,
Nova Kane, good lord, you know you're talking to genophobiac.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
So I know that that's why you're a good person
on this topic. So be proud, Aurora.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Another reason why you're in the news building on the
whole Solomon Gallagan fiasco over the last week and then
before that, the fifteen year old illegal alien taking the
life of Caitlin Weaver. Aurora doing great, You're doing great
out there. You forgetting the other one. Yeah, Cinndia ed Romero, Aurora,
keep it going, keep it going. You have a roll here,
another local story here. Have you encountered road rage? An
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increase in that out there? People cutting you off, tailgating you,
flipping you the bird, doing stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yes or no?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Quick answer, because I gotta get to this. Yeah, okay,
I think I've seen a or aggressive driving. Let's start there.
And here's CBS Colorado four on a couple of different
incidences and one in particular.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Drug distracted and reckless. The state says those are the
top causes of crashes in Colorado.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
Given that the average American spends two hundred and ninety
three hours behind the whill every year, chances are you've
encountered at least one.
Speaker 8 (08:59):
If not all, of these dangers.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
Tonight, your reporters are introducing us to two Colorado families
impacted by dangerous and deadly driving.
Speaker 8 (09:08):
Your reporter Gabrielle Vidol tracking.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
A young father killed by a teenage drunk driver.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
First, the story of another father, now recovering from a
violin road rage attack. Your reporter, an Oratory Mason, shares
his story and the search for those who hurt him.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Tori, where was that again, Karen Lee? Oh it's Aurora.
Oh Man.
Speaker 9 (09:30):
Well, guys, you know, when it comes to aggressive drivers,
you expect maybe honking a hand gesture out the window,
but it typically ends there. In Colorado, we've seen road
rage escalate into murder. This father says he's grateful to
be okay, but he's worried about the next person.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
This driver gets angry.
Speaker 8 (09:46):
With I'm hoardful you, Claudia, I thankful? Lucky.
Speaker 9 (09:50):
Isn't what you'd call a man with stables in his head,
dried blood on his car, but he is fortunate. The
bat used to beat him wasn't Wooden, I wasn't Shark's
We conceal his identity. On July eighth, he encountered an
aggressive driver. They were tailgating, speeding, swerving. He could see
four people in the car.
Speaker 8 (10:09):
I was thinking, what really, what are you doing, guys,
because it's a strange.
Speaker 9 (10:13):
That car eventually pulled up next to him at the
corner of Peoria and Alameda. The people inside were yelling
threats and insulting words. He got out of his car
to take a photo for police.
Speaker 8 (10:23):
I just open my door and stamp near my car.
Speaker 9 (10:26):
That's when he says two people got out and began
to assault him in traffic and they just stopped.
Speaker 8 (10:32):
That mean so that was in shock. I understand they
was trying to look me down.
Speaker 9 (10:37):
Realizing this were enough, one occupant went back to the car.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
A woman inside handed him a bat.
Speaker 9 (10:44):
Photos after the assault showed the strength of their swings,
his shirt still covered with blood.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
We have seen instances leading up to shootings.
Speaker 9 (10:52):
With road rage. Agent Longshore says, do not engage. If
you can't snap a photo, try to remember details.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
We have technology in place that might be able to
find the wheel or.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
A sticker or a bumper sticker on the car.
Speaker 9 (11:06):
This father hopes police can find them soon before. Another
passenger is next at.
Speaker 8 (11:11):
Bat going to respect for charl that I'm to be kind.
Speaker 9 (11:14):
Ror police is currently reviewing the photo that victim sent in.
Anyone who might recognize the people in that photo or
the car is asked to come forward. We're live an
Aurora Tory Mason covering.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Colorado First Ry Tory, I got a question right out
of the gate here. As a former baseball player, you
said he was lucky it was not.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
A wooden bat.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I've listened to that a couple of times. Out he
was lucky it wasn't a wooden bat. What kind of
bat was it? Cause, if you're going to ask me,
I don't want to be beaten by either one. But
if I want to be beaten by a wooden bat
or a graphite composite aluminum bat, I would take the
wooden bat. Now was this a whi football bat? What
kind of bat are we talking about here? So that's
my first question. My other observation here, Kelly, if you
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listen to this whole story, what stands out to you
about what happened? The sequence of events as was described.
And I feel very bad for this man that was attacked.
But what stood out to you real quick?
Speaker 5 (12:05):
What's an assault weapon?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Well, okay, abat is obviously what stood out to me
was never, should you ever exit your vehicle out of
the car under these circumstances. And I say, even if
you're armed, don't do it because you draw your weapon
in public. I mean, now you're open up that whole
can of words though, the whole training and I've talked
about this with Alicia Garcia or the Second Syndicate and
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Leland Conway who teaches these courses, and Laura Carnal is,
you do not engage.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
You shoot as a last resort.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
If you can disengage, if you can GTFO, then you GTFO.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Now he wanted to get a photo. I get that.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I get that this group that they might hurt somebody else,
and I appreciate that logic. But we have cell phones
now where you can just real surreptitiously go to camera mode.
Get ready, lift it up just about the windshield, click
on the right on this license plate. You don't have
to open your car door, stand up, make yourself off
a target. They might have shot him right there and
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go I'm taking your photo.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
And also he might have been mistaken for an actual
being culpable.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Well that it just it escalates the situation in mind
view unnecessarily.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And again it's not his fault.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
This was not provoked by him, But you control how
you respond to a situation like that, and you don't
want to agitate these maniacs any further. And so that
was really what stood out to me. But again, this
is Aurora. What the hell is happening in Aurora? It's
mad Max beyond Thunderdome.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Well you also had the Aurora Theater shooting.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Well that goes way back, but.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Yeah, so that kind of set the stage. Yeah, I would.
I don't think that you're I think you're correct. Your
analogy is pretty spot on Mad Max Beyond Thunderston, you know,
escape from New York kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I think that makes.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Daniel Jorinsky Tina Turner from that film, So I think
it's a mad Gibson, right, he was in the original
Mad Max, Is he and Beyond Thunderdoor?
Speaker 9 (14:03):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yes, okay, yes, yes, so.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
We gotta we gotta cast that role. I vote for
maybe Johnny Fapps, john Fabricatory.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Oh yeah, that would be good. Maybe George Brockler.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Well he's not there anymore, he doesn't have jurisdiction anymore.
He would, but they remember they cut off what is
now the twenty third, which Doug co but for us,
you and me, Yeah, Amy Padden.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Would Amy Patten prosecute these people?
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Oh please?
Speaker 6 (14:29):
She's going to give them probation and you know, be
fearful that you know they're illegals in here, and you
know they don't she can't take away their food stamps.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I bet she'll find a way to prosecute the guy
that stood up out of his car and took the picture.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Somehow it's his fault. Victim blames you know what.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
Good call?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, Amy Padden gotta go.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
And there's a petition out there if you live in
Aurora in that jurisdiction in the eighteenth judicial Daniel Durwinsky
has a petition for you to sign to recall Amy Padden,
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(16:27):
I've been told he might be out in a field somewhere,
not sure exactly. Let's check in with him right now.
He's a candidate for Colorado GOP vice chair that vote
coming up on Monday.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Richard, welcome back, and where are you right now?
Speaker 10 (16:41):
Well, I have to tell on myself. I'm on I
seventy six, driving back to the ranch.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Huh.
Speaker 10 (16:48):
And I've got a trailer behind me, and I've got
a steel horse on the back.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
That sounds awesome.
Speaker 10 (16:55):
It's a Harley Davison Electric Lde. So I got my
new bike for Sturgist. So here we go.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Well, he's ready, Richard Holdsorf. He is definitely not just
all hat no cattle. Plenty of cattle to back that up.
In fact, he's got one right there in the form
of a Harley as well.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Richard.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
We spoke before about you announcing your candidacy for GOP
vice chair here in Colorado. That vote's coming up. Now
take us through. Let's let's look at the lay of
the land right now between you. Any other competitors in
the field, How many others and who are they?
Speaker 10 (17:30):
Well, there's only two other people that I know of. Okay,
there's a mister Hampton and a mister Feeling. And I
don't think either of them are solid candidates or even
competitive at this time. I just don't think they're the
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right person. And the reason I say that is because
I'm the right person. I've got the strategic vision. I
want to unify the I want to rebuild the party.
I want to build bridges not burn bridges. I want
to bring common sense back to the state Goop.
Speaker 8 (18:08):
I want to.
Speaker 10 (18:09):
Mend fences, not cut fences. And the end of the day,
I want Colorado Republicans to win again. And we can
do this in this state with the right messaging, with
the right training, with the right positive message, because people
want Colorado to beat Colorado again. We've gone so far
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to the long progressive, socialist minded left, and we all
want to come back to the middle. And I want
to be a part of helping Colorado Republicans serve Colorado's electorate.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Richard Holdorf joining us on a steel horse. He rides
right now, heading back to the ranch. I appreciate his
time in joining us here on Ryan schuling not live now, Richard.
One of the points of order here that I want
to address with you. We talked about this a little
bit the last time, too. Was the previous vice who
had been elected resigned rather quickly back in May, Darryl Feelin,
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citing that he had been sidelined in some ways by
current chair Britta Horne.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Now I know Britta. I like Britta.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I talked to her all the time. I think one
important factor here that we need to do, and you
talked about it is uniting the party, pulling in the
same direction, not that you'd be, you know, a lap
dog for Britta, but that you would be on the
same page, and maybe you bring things up, but you
do it in a constructive way where you disagree.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You find a way.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Is that the relationship you think you have with Britta Horn?
Has she endorsed anybody in this race?
Speaker 10 (19:35):
She hasn't endorsed anybody. And I'm a hundred percent sure
she's not going to endorse anybody because she has to
work with whoever the State Central Committee selects as the chair.
And we don't know that vote's going to happen on Monday, yep,
seven pm. It's going to be a virtual meeting of
the State Central Committee and it's you know, Invine only,
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So we got to kind of deal with that elect
it deciding. So she really can't and she knows that
I've told her. Can we talk. We have a professional relationship.
She listens to me with with what when Darryl was there,
they didn't have the synergy and the relationship required to
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work as a team. And you have to be a
teammate and a team member and know your place in
the team based on the position. If it's a football
team and on the fullback, I'm not gonna hike, take
the hiked ball and try to throw a pass to
the to the hand of the receiver. I'm gonna take
the ball up the middle when the balls handed to me.
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And I don't think Darryl was quite in sync with
the role and responsibility of the vice chair. As a
number two, you have to work under the chair and
be a team member that helps the chair and the
state party succeed, as a good mentor, as a good advisor,
as a good team member, and a player. And I'm
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one hundred percent sure I can build that relationship with her.
We already have a good relationship, even though I ran
against her in March and she beat me. I'm the
one that said, hey, Britta, I'm gonna help you because
I got a lot of votes and if I give
you my votes, you win. And she remembers that, and
she appreciates that, and we've talked about that. So but
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I want I want one thing. I want the Republican
Party to come together, to unify and to serve Colorado
as a leading party that brings solutions to Colorado, to
help Colorado's citizens lower property taxes, you know, lower the
cost of living, lower the price of houses, make it
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easier and more affordable in this state for everybody, make
it safer. Those are things that we're going to be
working with candidates, and we're going to recruit and build
bring candidates for that are going to bring solutions to
Colorado that we need, and that's for the state of Colorado.
So I think brendan al were just buying together. I
think we'll compliment each other and we can be a
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team of teams. Some of these other candidates are way
out there and left field, or some of these other
candidates like to tamp people down instead of lifting them up.
You've got to lift people up and get the fenest
out of people, not trying to beat them down like
some people do on Rhino Watch.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, I'm not a fan of that either.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Douglas County Businessman executive Coach Mark Hampton is a preeminent
candidate in this field. Along with our guests Richard Holdtorf,
and Hampton has been endorsed by Representative Lauren Bobert, the
rest of the congressional delegation here in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
On the Republican side.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
All three have endorsed Richard Holdtorf that's Jeff Heard, Jeff Crank,
Gabe Evans, that's a pretty good compliment of very competent conservatives.
And Jeff Hurd is a guy that had to navigate
a tough race in a narrow field in the third
against a highly funded a candidate and Adam Fresh. So
when you look at maybe people, there are factions in
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the Republican Party, and I would call them fractions as well,
And that's part of the problem.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Richard.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
You know that as well as I do, and bring
this party together, and they hear maybe some people on
the far right conservatives who are embedded in that view point,
and they want to be principled.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
But I'm a guy.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
I want a practical, pragmatic approach. I know you support
that as well, But without sacrificing those principles, how can
you assure, you know, rock solid, rock ribbed, deep red
conservatives that you're still their guy when you're talking about
bringing the party to the middle.
Speaker 10 (23:34):
Well, the first thing we have to do is we
have to review what are our core principles, and we
have to have those in front of us all the time.
So we don't lose our weight under you know, candidate recruiting,
candidate development, candidate training. We're going to do that. We're
also going to share that if I'm elected, I'll be
a part of this leadership team that's going to share
that with all the sitting legislators statewide, and we can
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forward that and remind our national legislators too that these
are our core principles and we need to hold these
deer and close to us because we know politics is
complicating and it's difficult to navigate, so we have to
start with that. We also have to say that, you know,
in politics, in public policy developments, there are compromises and
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sometimes you have to find middle ground. You have to
give and take a little bit. It isn't all one
way or the other. If we want it to be
all one way far right ruby read right, guess what,
We'll continue to be a super minority. We will not
set public policy in the state of Colorado, and the
Democrats and the progressive Left will continue to run this
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date whatever direction they want to, and we will fight
from afar and fight in places, but we will never
be able to make changes to policy until we get
one of the houses, or we get some statewide offices
like the Governor's office, which is possible. We have to
be realists and understand that. But we can't just beat
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ourselves up and forgetting that.
Speaker 11 (25:07):
The real enemy of Colorado and Colorado citizens as the
far left, progressive woke, very far socialist, Marxist left. That's
the most that's the biggest.
Speaker 10 (25:23):
Danger to Colorado and the United States. Right now. Look
what's happening in New York City. Oh yeah, We've got
a mayoral candidate that is a communist and he's winning.
What is going on? This is America. We're a capitalist
form of economic structure. We're republic. Communism doesn't work, and socialism,
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it's little sister, doesn't work. And the problem with socialism,
as somebody much more intelligent and famous than me, once said,
the problem with socialism as eventually you run out of
other people's money. And I think that was Margaret Thatcher.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
But you check into that one hundred percent, right.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
The Great Maggie Thatcher, prime Minister of the United Kingdom
during the eighties and a close friend and confidant of
President Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
The Great ronaldis Maximus, as Rushlinbach.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Called him, Richard Holdtorf. He's a candidate for Colorado's GOLP
vice chair. That vote coming up with the Central Committee
on Monday. We'll keep tabs on how that goes, Richard,
and check back in with you after.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Thanks for joining us here today.
Speaker 10 (26:27):
That'd be great. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 8 (26:28):
Sir, You've got it.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Richard Holdtorf joining us here on Ryan Schuling Live. Our
Friday Fool of the Week is announced. Kelly is taling
the votes.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
You still have time to submit your vote at five
seven seven three nine. We've had votes all over the board,
including those that are outside our list of finalists. Joy
Reid getting several votes. We'll keep those coming in. That's fine,
that's fine. Scott mcfarlande CBS News. Hees PTSD from the
Trump assassination to he does because the Trump supporters they
were coming for him and he had to take some
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kind of trauma leave Representative Jamie Raskin fumbling in an
answer when asked by Joe Scarborough why Dens didn't call
for the Epstein files to be released while Joe Biden
was president. Paula Kerger, PBS President, decides she's going to
hide behind Daniel Tiger on accusations of political bias, and
when she asks other people for examples, they have a
really hard time coming up with.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Those examples, except we don't.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
There are many examples and it doesn't take that much
time or effort to find them. So those are the finalists.
We accept votes for any including Jared Polis. Send them one,
send them all five, seven seventy three nine, wrapping up
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time once again for another edition of Trump's hot Takes,
charting the forty seven president's epic interactions with a fake
news media.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 8 (29:15):
Yeah, we work hard.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
It's a very important actor genius act. They named it
after me, and I want to thank you. I want
to thank you. This is a hell of an act.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
This classic Trump right there, squeaking the libs. Oh my god,
he thinks he's a very stable genius. Yeah he does.
And he's just gonna joke about it. Simply fantastic. What
a way to send you in your weekend. You're welcome,
You're welcome, all of Colorado. Closing things out of Ryan
shuling live. Kelly's laughing. That's a good sign. She's tallied
the votes for our Friday fool the week Our votes
(29:49):
were all over.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
The place there, Kelly, they are.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
But we do have a winner.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Okay, who's that? Okay I have to I have to.
You said there was a tie.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Come on, there was a tie. But I am the typer.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Jeez, queen, yes, queen, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Yes it is the CBS Scott big.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Far Oh yeah, this is classic. Just give it a listen.
This guy, he's so important. Won't somebody think of the journalists?
When the president was almost assassinated in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 12 (30:18):
For those of us there, it was such a horror
because you saw an emerging America and it wasn't the shooting, Chuck,
this was I got diagnosed with PTSD, but in forty
eight hours, I haven't.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Put on trauma leave.
Speaker 12 (30:34):
Not because I think of the shooting, but because you
could you saw it in the eyes, the reaction to
the people.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
They were coming for us. If he didn't jump up
with this pist, they were going to come.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Kill I know, come kill you. I mean this sounds
a lot like the whole Charlottesville hoax.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Rage come on out of their necker. That's why I
ran for president. Very five people on both sides. That's
this where that's coming from.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
Well did that trauma like stuff come with complete castration?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Well, that's what I'm saying exactly. First of all, that
didn't happen. Don't believe a word. Secondly, if it did
happen to Scott McFarlane's CBS News, no way in a
thousand years would yours truly admit that publicly, like, oh
my god, I know the president almost died and then
his head clipped by a bullet. But I was afraid
of his supporters. But I had trauma, and I needed
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to take trauma. Ly get out of here. That's an
old timer that might be in the running for Fool
of the year. That is so ridiculous, so file.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
That one away. Write that note down.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Kelly Scott McFarland's CBS News Full of the Week doesn't
do you justice, Pal, You're at least fool of the month,
and you're probably maybe fool of the year.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
That I'll do it for us from here for now.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
My thanks to Christian Tote and Richard Holtor for joining
us Kellica chair as well. I'll talk to you on
Monday here on Ryan Schuling Live.
The second daughter told a completely different story about a
different episode. She described getting a phone call from the
jail from her father who asked her to come down
and bail another inmate out. He told her the inmate
was a cousin of hers. She didn't know this person,
but she has a big family and so she said
it was believable. She bailed this man out and he
handed her a letter from her father. It asked her
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to buy a burner laptop and create a deep fake
video that would show her now dead mother saying that
she got James Craig to order these poisons and that
she took them herself. He described how she should use
the dark web to make this happen and how she
should destroy the laptop afterwards. Instead of doing any of that,
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that second daughter took the letter to police.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
This is following up on our conversation from yesterday with
Stephan Tubbs, who was a patient of this Aurora dentist.
James Craig, now on trial for murder of his wife
in the hopes of pursuing an affair with a woman
who says they hadn't even gotten hot and heavy yet
not really not beyond just kind of words and messages
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and exchanging things like that. So he saw that as
an off ramp to off his wife. And then you
hear those diabolical details that the scheming, the planning, the
thought like how muny watch too many movies or something
following up on the right side of Hollywood. There he
wanted his daughter to bail out this other inmate, who
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then carried a note that the dentist the father wrote
that instructed her to get some kind of laptop that
would later be destroyed to create some deep fake video
using the dark web of her mother, the deceased wife,
saying on video, and why would she say this on
video under what circumstance? What let's say, let's just play
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this out. A suicidal woman sit down and go, you
know what, I don't want my husband to be blame
for this, but I'm going to poison myself slowly and torturously.
I might add with these additives to these drinks I've
been having. And I want people to know that this
was all part of my plan to kill myself, not
my husband's. He did nothing to do with I told
him to order the poisons and put them in my drinks.
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Like this makes absolutely no sense. This is beyond the
realm of sheer insanity. This is why I say, I
don't even know why that's a defense, because if you
think this through, anybody who would do this categorically and
automatically and inherently is insane. James Craig, Jim Craig, is
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Stephan Tubbs knew him is insane. There's no sane person
that would do this. Is BTK sane? Was Jeffrey Dahmer sane?
Was Ted Bundy sane? I mean, in some ways, maybe functionally,
but diabolical, narcissistic sociopaths that have no empathy. I mean
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there's a pattern here to serial killers or people that
kill in general or do so under such cold blooded
circumstance answers. And that's what Jim Craig did there. That
was Kevin Vaughan nine News reporting. And I think there
was another detail that I wanted to get to here.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I think this is it, Kim.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
When the first daughter got on the stands from her
first words, she was in tears, and many people in
the courtroom were in tears. There's a large contingent of
family and friends that are here to support them. But
she also seemed to smile when she turned to look
at her father. When a prosecutor asked her to identify
him and to say what he was wearing, she made
a joke about not being able to say what color
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his tie was. The second daughter was of a completely
different demeanor, very stoic, very matter of fact, and really
did not show emotion as she was going through this.
You know, this incredible testimony that goes to one of
the other charges he faces, which is that he tried
to get other people to fabricate evidence live for him
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and kill witnesses.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
What a difficult day for those young women and those
you know their children.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
All right, thank you, Kevin.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
What is he in the mafia trying to get witnesses killed?
I want you to talk to this guy, get him
the shut up. But if you know what I mean,
to make him go away? What the Kelly? How do
you react to everything you've heard?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
These poor daughters, these two girls that had to go
up on the stand and testify against their father.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
So my first question is he finally discovered or I
guess he did discover that a burner laptop exists, because
he certainly didn't do that when he researched how to
kill and poison his wife on his office laptop. But
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now he's instructing his daughter.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
That's a good.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Point to get a burner laptop and try to frame
his his wife her mother into some sort of a
suicide attempt with cyanide and arsenic. You got to be kidding,
made Come on, come on, how do we have the
ages of these.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Girls by two?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I don't know if I know that Nine News in
the reporting. I respect this. Kevin Vaughan chose not to
identify them.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
Yeah, you can't show him on camera if they're definitely
under eighteen.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
So let's just assume that it's.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
Terrible that they had to do this, And doesn't he
have three other children that are much younger, So they're
living without a mother, they don't have a father who
knows what their future is going to hold. So this
entire case is just totally crazy on the on the
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surface of it.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
But do we know is his defense insanity?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
No? I don't believe. So his defense is that the
wife was suicidal.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
Okay, So that is so he's basically trying to prove
like he's basically trying to introduce reasonable doubt.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Alternate theories. Yeah, this is typical from a defense. I mean,
everybody's entitled to a vigorous defense.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I get that.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I just don't think it's a very good or effective defense.
When okay, let's this is a little dark, but we'll
go down this road. A man, if he's thinking about
killing himself, how does he.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Normally do it?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
It'd be a gunshot usually to the head is kind
of number one, I think.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Methodically.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Oh yeah, men are much more likely to shoot themselves.
Women will cut their wrists and yes.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Bleed out that way.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Or the overdose on pills, like some kind of massive
overdose on pills, they kind of go to sleep. Never
have I ever thought a person would torture themselves to
death slowly, methodically with arsenic and old lace and whatever else.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And then he would put a video out.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I mean, this doesn't add up even as an alternative theory.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
Now, and this guy obviously has not watched twenty twenty
forty eight hours or Dateline Quick.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
I do religiously.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Has been an episode yet, or I'm sure it will be.
It's happening in real time.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
I guess sure.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
I haven't seen it yet, because I would be talking
about about it right, But I just it's it stupefies
me that he really honestly wrote a letter, asked his
daughter out to.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
The letter that wasson, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
And so many it was a lie, anomalous theories that
go on.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
This guy, Jim Craig lies to breathe. It just comes
out of him pathologically. And you know a lot of
people like that probably, but not murderers that this murderer is.
But just can you imagine being Stephan Tubbs and watching
all this unfold coming on and talking to me about it.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Well, I actually talked him off the air. I'm like,
this dude gave you nitrous.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah, and he's not gonna kill Stephen Tubbs.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Thank got well still, I mean he's he had to
give it to other patients. He had to give You know,
Nova Kane, good lord, you know you're talking to genophobiac.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
So I know that that's why you're a good person
on this topic. So be proud, Aurora.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Another reason why you're in the news building on the
whole Solomon Gallagan fiasco over the last week and then
before that, the fifteen year old illegal alien taking the
life of Caitlin Weaver. Aurora doing great, You're doing great
out there. You forgetting the other one. Yeah, Cinndia ed Romero, Aurora,
keep it going, keep it going. You have a roll here,
another local story here. Have you encountered road rage? An
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increase in that out there? People cutting you off, tailgating you,
flipping you the bird, doing stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yes or no?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Quick answer, because I gotta get to this. Yeah, okay,
I think I've seen a or aggressive driving. Let's start there.
And here's CBS Colorado four on a couple of different
incidences and one in particular.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Drug distracted and reckless. The state says those are the
top causes of crashes in Colorado.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
Given that the average American spends two hundred and ninety
three hours behind the whill every year, chances are you've
encountered at least one.
Speaker 8 (08:59):
If not all, of these dangers.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
Tonight, your reporters are introducing us to two Colorado families
impacted by dangerous and deadly driving.
Speaker 8 (09:08):
Your reporter Gabrielle Vidol tracking.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
A young father killed by a teenage drunk driver.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
First, the story of another father, now recovering from a
violin road rage attack. Your reporter, an Oratory Mason, shares
his story and the search for those who hurt him.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Tori, where was that again, Karen Lee? Oh it's Aurora.
Oh Man.
Speaker 9 (09:30):
Well, guys, you know, when it comes to aggressive drivers,
you expect maybe honking a hand gesture out the window,
but it typically ends there. In Colorado, we've seen road
rage escalate into murder. This father says he's grateful to
be okay, but he's worried about the next person.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
This driver gets angry.
Speaker 8 (09:46):
With I'm hoardful you, Claudia, I thankful? Lucky.
Speaker 9 (09:50):
Isn't what you'd call a man with stables in his head,
dried blood on his car, but he is fortunate. The
bat used to beat him wasn't Wooden, I wasn't Shark's
We conceal his identity. On July eighth, he encountered an
aggressive driver. They were tailgating, speeding, swerving. He could see
four people in the car.
Speaker 8 (10:09):
I was thinking, what really, what are you doing, guys,
because it's a strange.
Speaker 9 (10:13):
That car eventually pulled up next to him at the
corner of Peoria and Alameda. The people inside were yelling
threats and insulting words. He got out of his car
to take a photo for police.
Speaker 8 (10:23):
I just open my door and stamp near my car.
Speaker 9 (10:26):
That's when he says two people got out and began
to assault him in traffic and they just stopped.
Speaker 8 (10:32):
That mean so that was in shock. I understand they
was trying to look me down.
Speaker 9 (10:37):
Realizing this were enough, one occupant went back to the car.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
A woman inside handed him a bat.
Speaker 9 (10:44):
Photos after the assault showed the strength of their swings,
his shirt still covered with blood.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
We have seen instances leading up to shootings.
Speaker 9 (10:52):
With road rage. Agent Longshore says, do not engage. If
you can't snap a photo, try to remember details.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
We have technology in place that might be able to
find the wheel or.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
A sticker or a bumper sticker on the car.
Speaker 9 (11:06):
This father hopes police can find them soon before. Another
passenger is next at.
Speaker 8 (11:11):
Bat going to respect for charl that I'm to be kind.
Speaker 9 (11:14):
Ror police is currently reviewing the photo that victim sent in.
Anyone who might recognize the people in that photo or
the car is asked to come forward. We're live an
Aurora Tory Mason covering.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Colorado First Ry Tory, I got a question right out
of the gate here. As a former baseball player, you
said he was lucky it was not.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
A wooden bat.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I've listened to that a couple of times. Out he
was lucky it wasn't a wooden bat. What kind of
bat was it? Cause, if you're going to ask me,
I don't want to be beaten by either one. But
if I want to be beaten by a wooden bat
or a graphite composite aluminum bat, I would take the
wooden bat. Now was this a whi football bat? What
kind of bat are we talking about here? So that's
my first question. My other observation here, Kelly, if you
(11:52):
listen to this whole story, what stands out to you
about what happened? The sequence of events as was described.
And I feel very bad for this man that was attacked.
But what stood out to you real quick?
Speaker 5 (12:05):
What's an assault weapon?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Well, okay, abat is obviously what stood out to me
was never, should you ever exit your vehicle out of
the car under these circumstances. And I say, even if
you're armed, don't do it because you draw your weapon
in public. I mean, now you're open up that whole
can of words though, the whole training and I've talked
about this with Alicia Garcia or the Second Syndicate and
(12:28):
Leland Conway who teaches these courses, and Laura Carnal is,
you do not engage.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
You shoot as a last resort.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
If you can disengage, if you can GTFO, then you GTFO.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Now he wanted to get a photo. I get that.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I get that this group that they might hurt somebody else,
and I appreciate that logic. But we have cell phones
now where you can just real surreptitiously go to camera mode.
Get ready, lift it up just about the windshield, click
on the right on this license plate. You don't have
to open your car door, stand up, make yourself off
a target. They might have shot him right there and
(13:02):
go I'm taking your photo.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
And also he might have been mistaken for an actual
being culpable.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Well that it just it escalates the situation in mind
view unnecessarily.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And again it's not his fault.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
This was not provoked by him, But you control how
you respond to a situation like that, and you don't
want to agitate these maniacs any further. And so that
was really what stood out to me. But again, this
is Aurora. What the hell is happening in Aurora? It's
mad Max beyond Thunderdome.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Well you also had the Aurora Theater shooting.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Well that goes way back, but.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Yeah, so that kind of set the stage. Yeah, I would.
I don't think that you're I think you're correct. Your
analogy is pretty spot on Mad Max Beyond Thunderston, you know,
escape from New York kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I think that makes.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Daniel Jorinsky Tina Turner from that film, So I think
it's a mad Gibson, right, he was in the original
Mad Max, Is he and Beyond Thunderdoor?
Speaker 9 (14:03):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yes, okay, yes, yes, so.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
We gotta we gotta cast that role. I vote for
maybe Johnny Fapps, john Fabricatory.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Oh yeah, that would be good. Maybe George Brockler.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Well he's not there anymore, he doesn't have jurisdiction anymore.
He would, but they remember they cut off what is
now the twenty third, which Doug co but for us,
you and me, Yeah, Amy Padden.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Would Amy Patten prosecute these people?
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Oh please?
Speaker 6 (14:29):
She's going to give them probation and you know, be
fearful that you know they're illegals in here, and you
know they don't she can't take away their food stamps.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I bet she'll find a way to prosecute the guy
that stood up out of his car and took the picture.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Somehow it's his fault. Victim blames you know what.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
Good call?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, Amy Padden gotta go.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
And there's a petition out there if you live in
Aurora in that jurisdiction in the eighteenth judicial Daniel Durwinsky
has a petition for you to sign to recall Amy Padden,
the useless, feckless district attorney in the eighteenth a timeout.
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He's a candidate for Colorado GOP vice chair that vote
coming up on Monday.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Richard, welcome back, and where are you right now?
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Huh.
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That sounds awesome.
Speaker 10 (16:55):
It's a Harley Davison Electric Lde. So I got my
new bike for Sturgist. So here we go.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Well, he's ready, Richard Holdsorf. He is definitely not just
all hat no cattle. Plenty of cattle to back that up.
In fact, he's got one right there in the form
of a Harley as well.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Richard.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
We spoke before about you announcing your candidacy for GOP
vice chair here in Colorado. That vote's coming up. Now
take us through. Let's let's look at the lay of
the land right now between you. Any other competitors in
the field, How many others and who are they?
Speaker 10 (17:30):
Well, there's only two other people that I know of. Okay,
there's a mister Hampton and a mister Feeling. And I
don't think either of them are solid candidates or even
competitive at this time. I just don't think they're the
(17:51):
right person. And the reason I say that is because
I'm the right person. I've got the strategic vision. I
want to unify the I want to rebuild the party.
I want to build bridges not burn bridges. I want
to bring common sense back to the state Goop.
Speaker 8 (18:08):
I want to.
Speaker 10 (18:09):
Mend fences, not cut fences. And the end of the day,
I want Colorado Republicans to win again. And we can
do this in this state with the right messaging, with
the right training, with the right positive message, because people
want Colorado to beat Colorado again. We've gone so far
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to the long progressive, socialist minded left, and we all
want to come back to the middle. And I want
to be a part of helping Colorado Republicans serve Colorado's electorate.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Richard Holdorf joining us on a steel horse. He rides
right now, heading back to the ranch. I appreciate his
time in joining us here on Ryan schuling not live now, Richard.
One of the points of order here that I want
to address with you. We talked about this a little
bit the last time, too. Was the previous vice who
had been elected resigned rather quickly back in May, Darryl Feelin,
(19:04):
citing that he had been sidelined in some ways by
current chair Britta Horne.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Now I know Britta. I like Britta.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I talked to her all the time. I think one
important factor here that we need to do, and you
talked about it is uniting the party, pulling in the
same direction, not that you'd be, you know, a lap
dog for Britta, but that you would be on the
same page, and maybe you bring things up, but you
do it in a constructive way where you disagree.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You find a way.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Is that the relationship you think you have with Britta Horn?
Has she endorsed anybody in this race?
Speaker 10 (19:35):
She hasn't endorsed anybody. And I'm a hundred percent sure
she's not going to endorse anybody because she has to
work with whoever the State Central Committee selects as the chair.
And we don't know that vote's going to happen on Monday, yep,
seven pm. It's going to be a virtual meeting of
the State Central Committee and it's you know, Invine only,
(19:57):
So we got to kind of deal with that elect
it deciding. So she really can't and she knows that
I've told her. Can we talk. We have a professional relationship.
She listens to me with with what when Darryl was there,
they didn't have the synergy and the relationship required to
(20:18):
work as a team. And you have to be a
teammate and a team member and know your place in
the team based on the position. If it's a football
team and on the fullback, I'm not gonna hike, take
the hiked ball and try to throw a pass to
the to the hand of the receiver. I'm gonna take
the ball up the middle when the balls handed to me.
(20:38):
And I don't think Darryl was quite in sync with
the role and responsibility of the vice chair. As a
number two, you have to work under the chair and
be a team member that helps the chair and the
state party succeed, as a good mentor, as a good advisor,
as a good team member, and a player. And I'm
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one hundred percent sure I can build that relationship with her.
We already have a good relationship, even though I ran
against her in March and she beat me. I'm the
one that said, hey, Britta, I'm gonna help you because
I got a lot of votes and if I give
you my votes, you win. And she remembers that, and
she appreciates that, and we've talked about that. So but
(21:25):
I want I want one thing. I want the Republican
Party to come together, to unify and to serve Colorado
as a leading party that brings solutions to Colorado, to
help Colorado's citizens lower property taxes, you know, lower the
cost of living, lower the price of houses, make it
(21:45):
easier and more affordable in this state for everybody, make
it safer. Those are things that we're going to be
working with candidates, and we're going to recruit and build
bring candidates for that are going to bring solutions to
Colorado that we need, and that's for the state of Colorado.
So I think brendan al were just buying together. I
think we'll compliment each other and we can be a
(22:07):
team of teams. Some of these other candidates are way
out there and left field, or some of these other
candidates like to tamp people down instead of lifting them up.
You've got to lift people up and get the fenest
out of people, not trying to beat them down like
some people do on Rhino Watch.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, I'm not a fan of that either.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Douglas County Businessman executive Coach Mark Hampton is a preeminent
candidate in this field. Along with our guests Richard Holdtorf,
and Hampton has been endorsed by Representative Lauren Bobert, the
rest of the congressional delegation here in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
On the Republican side.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
All three have endorsed Richard Holdtorf that's Jeff Heard, Jeff Crank,
Gabe Evans, that's a pretty good compliment of very competent conservatives.
And Jeff Hurd is a guy that had to navigate
a tough race in a narrow field in the third
against a highly funded a candidate and Adam Fresh. So
when you look at maybe people, there are factions in
(23:00):
the Republican Party, and I would call them fractions as well,
And that's part of the problem.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Richard.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
You know that as well as I do, and bring
this party together, and they hear maybe some people on
the far right conservatives who are embedded in that view point,
and they want to be principled.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
But I'm a guy.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
I want a practical, pragmatic approach. I know you support
that as well, But without sacrificing those principles, how can
you assure, you know, rock solid, rock ribbed, deep red
conservatives that you're still their guy when you're talking about
bringing the party to the middle.
Speaker 10 (23:34):
Well, the first thing we have to do is we
have to review what are our core principles, and we
have to have those in front of us all the time.
So we don't lose our weight under you know, candidate recruiting,
candidate development, candidate training. We're going to do that. We're
also going to share that if I'm elected, I'll be
a part of this leadership team that's going to share
that with all the sitting legislators statewide, and we can
(23:58):
forward that and remind our national legislators too that these
are our core principles and we need to hold these
deer and close to us because we know politics is
complicating and it's difficult to navigate, so we have to
start with that. We also have to say that, you know,
in politics, in public policy developments, there are compromises and
(24:20):
sometimes you have to find middle ground. You have to
give and take a little bit. It isn't all one
way or the other. If we want it to be
all one way far right ruby read right, guess what,
We'll continue to be a super minority. We will not
set public policy in the state of Colorado, and the
Democrats and the progressive Left will continue to run this
(24:40):
date whatever direction they want to, and we will fight
from afar and fight in places, but we will never
be able to make changes to policy until we get
one of the houses, or we get some statewide offices
like the Governor's office, which is possible. We have to
be realists and understand that. But we can't just beat
(25:02):
ourselves up and forgetting that.
Speaker 11 (25:07):
The real enemy of Colorado and Colorado citizens as the
far left, progressive woke, very far socialist, Marxist left. That's
the most that's the biggest.
Speaker 10 (25:23):
Danger to Colorado and the United States. Right now. Look
what's happening in New York City. Oh yeah, We've got
a mayoral candidate that is a communist and he's winning.
What is going on? This is America. We're a capitalist
form of economic structure. We're republic. Communism doesn't work, and socialism,
(25:48):
it's little sister, doesn't work. And the problem with socialism,
as somebody much more intelligent and famous than me, once said,
the problem with socialism as eventually you run out of
other people's money. And I think that was Margaret Thatcher.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
But you check into that one hundred percent, right.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
The Great Maggie Thatcher, prime Minister of the United Kingdom
during the eighties and a close friend and confidant of
President Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
The Great ronaldis Maximus, as Rushlinbach.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Called him, Richard Holdtorf. He's a candidate for Colorado's GOLP
vice chair. That vote coming up with the Central Committee
on Monday. We'll keep tabs on how that goes, Richard,
and check back in with you after.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Thanks for joining us here today.
Speaker 10 (26:27):
That'd be great. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 8 (26:28):
Sir, You've got it.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Richard Holdtorf joining us here on Ryan Schuling Live. Our
Friday Fool of the Week is announced. Kelly is taling
the votes.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
You still have time to submit your vote at five
seven seven three nine. We've had votes all over the board,
including those that are outside our list of finalists. Joy
Reid getting several votes. We'll keep those coming in. That's fine,
that's fine. Scott mcfarlande CBS News. Hees PTSD from the
Trump assassination to he does because the Trump supporters they
were coming for him and he had to take some
(26:57):
kind of trauma leave Representative Jamie Raskin fumbling in an
answer when asked by Joe Scarborough why Dens didn't call
for the Epstein files to be released while Joe Biden
was president. Paula Kerger, PBS President, decides she's going to
hide behind Daniel Tiger on accusations of political bias, and
when she asks other people for examples, they have a
really hard time coming up with.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Those examples, except we don't.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
There are many examples and it doesn't take that much
time or effort to find them. So those are the finalists.
We accept votes for any including Jared Polis. Send them one,
send them all five, seven seventy three nine, wrapping up
and sending you into your weekend after this on Ryan
Schuling Live moving in or moving out, either way and
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Speaker 2 (27:47):
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charting the forty seven president's epic interactions with a fake
news media.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 8 (29:15):
Yeah, we work hard.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
It's a very important actor genius act. They named it
after me, and I want to thank you. I want
to thank you. This is a hell of an act.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
This classic Trump right there, squeaking the libs. Oh my god,
he thinks he's a very stable genius. Yeah he does.
And he's just gonna joke about it. Simply fantastic. What
a way to send you in your weekend. You're welcome,
You're welcome, all of Colorado. Closing things out of Ryan
shuling live. Kelly's laughing. That's a good sign. She's tallied
the votes for our Friday fool the week Our votes
(29:49):
were all over.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
The place there, Kelly, they are.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
But we do have a winner.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Okay, who's that? Okay I have to I have to.
You said there was a tie.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Come on, there was a tie. But I am the typer.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Jeez, queen, yes, queen, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Yes it is the CBS Scott big.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Far Oh yeah, this is classic. Just give it a listen.
This guy, he's so important. Won't somebody think of the journalists?
When the president was almost assassinated in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 12 (30:18):
For those of us there, it was such a horror
because you saw an emerging America and it wasn't the shooting, Chuck,
this was I got diagnosed with PTSD, but in forty
eight hours, I haven't.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Put on trauma leave.
Speaker 12 (30:34):
Not because I think of the shooting, but because you
could you saw it in the eyes, the reaction to
the people.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
They were coming for us. If he didn't jump up
with this pist, they were going to come.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Kill I know, come kill you. I mean this sounds
a lot like the whole Charlottesville hoax.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Rage come on out of their necker. That's why I
ran for president. Very five people on both sides. That's
this where that's coming from.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
Well did that trauma like stuff come with complete castration?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Well, that's what I'm saying exactly. First of all, that
didn't happen. Don't believe a word. Secondly, if it did
happen to Scott McFarlane's CBS News, no way in a
thousand years would yours truly admit that publicly, like, oh
my god, I know the president almost died and then
his head clipped by a bullet. But I was afraid
of his supporters. But I had trauma, and I needed
(31:26):
to take trauma. Ly get out of here. That's an
old timer that might be in the running for Fool
of the year. That is so ridiculous, so file.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
That one away. Write that note down.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Kelly Scott McFarland's CBS News Full of the Week doesn't
do you justice, Pal, You're at least fool of the month,
and you're probably maybe fool of the year.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
That I'll do it for us from here for now.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
My thanks to Christian Tote and Richard Holtor for joining
us Kellica chair as well. I'll talk to you on
Monday here on Ryan Schuling Live.
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