July 1, 2025 • 33 mins
Jimmy Sengenberger joins Ryan with his latest for The Denver Gazette.
https://gazette.com/opinion/epic-ruling-vindicates-a-colorado-judge-jimmy-sengenberger/article_8929cee0-f662-4acb-9ad8-c0600544dc72.html
Then, Rep. Gabe Evans (R, CO-8) joins Ryan prior to the hopeful passage of President Trump's 'Big, Beautiful Bill' upon it returning to the U.S. House from the Senate prior to the Independence Day holiday.
https://gazette.com/opinion/epic-ruling-vindicates-a-colorado-judge-jimmy-sengenberger/article_8929cee0-f662-4acb-9ad8-c0600544dc72.html
Then, Rep. Gabe Evans (R, CO-8) joins Ryan prior to the hopeful passage of President Trump's 'Big, Beautiful Bill' upon it returning to the U.S. House from the Senate prior to the Independence Day holiday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Donald Trump commenting on is Zoran or Zorhan?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I think it's Zorn Mamdani, the Democrat nominee for New
York City mayor. And you heard Ron De Santis, governor Florida.
There they were at Alligator Alcatraz getting a long singing
out of the same hymnal DeSantis dysanct anonius and President
Trump there the winning continues, with Alligator Alcatraz, the big
beautiful bill earning passage today through the Senate, albeit with
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some changes that may be poison pills for the House.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
So we go back to the drawing.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Board there, but still fairly likely that we might be
able to get this to the President's desk by Independence
Day July fourth.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Here we are on July one.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Now there will be some negotiating behind the scenes the
House Freedom Caucus, a lot of the more moderate Republicans
from New York and California that want to keep their
state and local tax deductions SALT as it's known, and
then everybody in between that's committed I think to pulling
in the same direction getting this across the finish line,
which would include, in my opinion, all four Republican representatives
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in the US House from the state of Colorado. Jeff
heard in the third, Gabe Evans in the eighth, Lauren
Bobert in the fourth, and Jeff cranked down in the fifth.
And they've all been stalwart, you know, in support of
Trump and the Trump agenda. And this bill is a
big step in that direction. And it passes by virtue
of a tie breaking vote from Vice President Vance earlier today.
(01:28):
Also earlier today, down in the swamp of the Everglades,
the Alligator Alcatraz grand opening. The President was there for
that and he had this humorous statement to make about it.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Agent Hole should note that this is air conditioned facility.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
So if any of the news plays are keeping him
out in the hocke human South Florida, that is wrong.
It's probably sick. You good bring here to be on.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Hey, Biden wanted me in here.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Okay, he wanted me.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
It didn't work.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Out that way, but he wanted me in here.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Now, some people think he said that son of a bee,
but I think he said that son of a goat.
You got to go back and hear the audio. You
can hear there's a little bit of background noise in there.
But either way, he's got a sense of humor about it,
and I think that's a healthy thing for America. You know,
if Donald Trump can roll with the punches like he
has literally, then why can't the rest of us five seven, seven,
(02:18):
three nine year text? I want to go back. I
can't believe we missed this and it slipped through the cracks.
But Senator Michael Bennett, Uh, he got into a shotting
match with the Scott Bessant, Bennett versus Bessent. Now this
is from June twelfth. Again, how did I miss this?
But he decides to go on this rampage and as
Comrade Kyle says, he's like a cicada. He comes out
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every thirteen years.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
This must be that year we did not get here
if we inherited this physical situation that I believed.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Well, you inherited from Donald Trump?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
That was your you did, yes, you did? You inherited
from Donald trumb He's the first to come back after
a four year hiatus after we know exactly what the
last tax cuts did, which was blowed a massive hole
in our deficit of dead. You can't sit here and
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lie about that.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
It's true. The data.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Do you point a phrase, The data shows.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
The that's result. The math shows that that is the result.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
No one on this side of the isle admits anymore
or or claims anymore that they didn't blow a huge
hole in the deficit.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
They did.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And now you're here saying to the American people, let's
double down on that.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
A counselor Mackie comparison. Leland and I used to joke about.
It is so spot on or okay, okay, you can't
just sit here and lie.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So he goes all Ted Cruz on Scott Messett. But
he's not done. He's not done.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
We're gonna give tax cuts for the wealthy.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
We are going to.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Give tax cuts again to the wealthiest people in America,
and we are going to finance it on the backs
of the sons and daughters of teachers and firefighters and
police officers all over this country because we can't pay
for it, because the Treasury Secretary and discovered somehow that
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domestic distruction spending is only fifteen percent of the budget
and therefore you can't balance it there.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So he's turning up the volume. I'll have it be known.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
The firefighters, the police officers he's talking about, you know who.
One hundred percent of those unions that represent those hard
workers in the front lines for us every day. Do
you know who they voted for, who they represented, who
they endorsed Donald Trump? And it wasn't just that Scott Bessen.
He sits there and he takes it. Bennett's rant and
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raving and hooton hollering, and Bessy just calmly delivers the
dagger and body bags Bennett here figuratively, rhetorically.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
So we had a referendum on November fifth. I agree
with you your side, boss, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And a higher decimin rare.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Democrat who doesn't blame Donald Trump for winning.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I'm sad, he one. I don't blame your level. Don't
come here in your statements. Go ahead, have veracity. Go ahead, Michelle.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
What higher decibel level does not give your statements more voracity?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
My statements are true. If that's the word is that's
what you mean by veracity. My statements are true. You
blew a massive hole in the deficit when your predecessor
was sitting here.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Under Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
And so the question is, and we think it's something
better to do with the money, then this money.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Then drive up interest rates, lose money.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
By borrowing money from our kids. So the richest people
in America can get a tax to when they don't
need it.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
That is the reality of your own the Democrats.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Have you believe that these billionaires they just collect money
and they sit on it like Scrooge McDuck duck tails,
and they don't reinvest in the economy, and they don't
build businesses and create jobs, and they don't make the
economy churn, and they don't invest in Wall Street, and
they don't make it. This is foolishness, obviously, But Michael
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Bennett just tko at the hands of Scott Besson there,
speaking of which our next guest, now, I believe he'll
have a sense of humor about this, but there is,
and I'll play it maybe sometime, maybe tomorrow. William Shatner
gets into it with a producer and this is some
famous audio footage in which he's trying to cut this
promo for a space themed show and he reads through
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it and he thinks he's done well. Then the producer
steps in, like Zach Mike to me and says, oh,
mister Shatner, could you put a little more emphasis on
this word? And it goes south from there in a hurry.
Howard Stern lampooned it, and Jimmy Sangenberger put himself right
in the crosshairs for William Shatner, and Bill was a
little kinder to Jimmy despite setting him straight.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You got to hear this.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
You're coming to Fan Expo Denver. I've been there the
last few years, very excited to have you. When you
go to a convention like this, what does that mean
to you personally and professionally and in particular as well,
what role have they really had over the last coming
up next year, sixty years in helping to keep Star
Trek not just alive.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
But thriving.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Okay, so you know what that's called. That's called a
compound question.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
It is See, I'm trying to narrow in a couple
of a million questions.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
I don't know where to start. I don't know, Jimmy,
let me talk. That's part of the interview. I don't
know where to start to answer that question. What does
it mean to me? I did these comic cons because
I meet the fans and I've just come off. For example,
this weekend, I was in Taekwonderoga, Upstate New York, which
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holding Chiptok claws. That's an Indian term for like a conversation.
And I'd be in front of and I did this
seven or eight times this weekend, and be in front
of an audience of fifty sixty seventy people and start
a conversation like what do you do and why do
you do that? And so many incredible things happen between
the fans and myself. It's gotten to the point where
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the fans in Taekwonderoga come to Taekwonderoga because they've heard
but an extraordinary time. That hour hour and a half
that we have between me and the fans of the
audience is an extraordinary eye opening time in terms of revelation.
And that's what I just did this weekend. I will
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do that this coming weekend on a limited basis. I
think once on Thursday, for I'm not sure where. I'll
stand in front of the audience and tell stories or
take questions and provoke and invoke the audience's response. And
I mean, we have a great time. And then I'll
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sign autographs and while I'm signing, I'll talk, and then
there's pictures, and then there's all these other people not me,
but addressed him, costumes, walking around and it's just joyful time.
So I heard your audience. Come down to the comic
on on Thursday and Friday and Friday, and I'll be
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there and I'd love to see y'all, folks.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
The legendary William Shatner turns ninety four years old in March.
Did you hear him just now? Joe Biden is twelve
years younger than William Shatner at eighty two. How do
you explain that difference. Let's turn to Jimmy Sangenberger and
ask him. Jimmy, what a thrill of a lifetime they're
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getting to interview Captain Kirk.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
You know what, to be gently corrected by Captain Kirk himself.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Is one of the great memories of my life. We
gotta tell you that, thanks brother. Then yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
How do you explain how sharp he was? He followed
your question? You asked them this as he found a
compound question, a two parter, and he took it apart
in parts. He talks about this Indian word for conversations.
He's in tykon to roga. He's describing what he's going
to do at comic Con.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
This guy's ninety.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Four, Well, exactly.
Speaker 8 (10:15):
That's the thing. He's just as sharp as can be.
I remember seeing him one a month or so ago.
He was on Fox News.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
With Jesse Waters yep, and remember.
Speaker 8 (10:25):
It was all the discussion about, you know, Trump wanting
to make Shannon of the fifty first state, and there's
Shatner redirecting the conversation and saying something to the effective
lives in the United States should become Canada's eleventh province.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
It was just sheer, brilliant.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
But I asked him another question related to his role
of Captain Kirk, and he turns it into a segway
directly going to an album he's producing another one of
it because he loves to produce these musical albums, and
he's putting out manages as brilliantly with a Masterstrokes sadway
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directly to promoting one of his upcoming projects. I mean,
it is remarkably impressive and as a vague Star Trek fan,
it was an incredible treat to get the interview on
alongside Manny Connell and Koa Yesterday.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
He's a rock it man. William Shatner an epic interview.
If you can listen to the whole thing online podcast forum.
But Jimmy Singerberg able to line that one up and
Comic Con coming up?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
When is that again?
Speaker 8 (11:29):
Fan expro Denver is this Thursday through funding. Yes, Shatner
will be. He'll be doing photographs of folks and autographs
and will also be, as he said, speaking and answering
questions on Friday at noon. I'll definitely be there, and
I think we're going to see somebody who is going
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to be as fluid and answering audience questions in person
as you just heard him with me.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
He's phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And that's this week on holiday week, and you need
some plans there you go Comic Con, William Shattner, Captain Kirk,
Jimmy Sanglenberger, he'll be there. You can follow him an
ex at Saying Center, sengng Center, ce on Ter. His
latest for the denverg is that entitled epic ruling vindicates
a Colorado judge. Jimmy, take us from there and what
should we know about it?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
So this is interesting.
Speaker 8 (12:19):
Last week, you'll remember the big case that everybody was
going in the media apoplectic. Oh my gosh, how in
the world could they go after birthright citizenship in the
US Supreme Court on a case that.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Had nothing to actually do with.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
The question of birthright citizenship and the Fourteenth Amendment and
instead had everything to do with this trend in recent
yearged toward nationwide for universal injunctions, where a lot of
times a plaintiff will forum shop looking around for a
court that they can go to in a state that's
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going to be more in this case right now in particular,
originally for the courts, or maybe more conservative, depending and
they'll find that that court in the US district court
system that will.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Help them be able to get a.
Speaker 8 (13:12):
Stop to something say that President Trump is doing, whether
that's an executive order on birthright citizenship or on saying
immigration enforcement. Which brings me to something really interesting. You'll remember, Ryan,
I was in court in March of bring and hearing
that happened with a US District judge Daniel Domenico, was
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a case brought by Denver Public.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Schools against the Department of Homeland Security trying.
Speaker 8 (13:43):
To stop them from basically enforcing immigration laws in Denver
by acting as though a Trump policy regarding schools was
substantially different from a Biden policy. And to make a
long story short, the column is really about how Judge
Domenico approached rejecting the requests from DPS for not just
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an injunction for Denver schools, but for enforcement across the country,
essentially setting up sanctuary zones in cities all across the nation.
And the judge, Judge Domenico, said no, I'm very hesitant
in general on injunction, the nationwide injunction, and he gained
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some words of caution that basically were reflected in the
majority six to three decision written by US Supreme Court
Justice Aiming Cone Barrett last week. And I just found
it really interesting the corollaryan connection with this Colorado case
where a judge here got it right.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Jimmy Segeberg gets it right in his article you can
read more about it. Epic ruling vindicates a Colorado judge
in the Denver and again on X He's a good
follow at Saying Center, SCNNG Center, CeON t Er Jimmy,
great stuff as always, especially the highlight clips from William
shattn or the thrill of a lifetime.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Thanks for sharing that with us too.
Speaker 8 (15:14):
Hey yeah, absolutely right, and wait a second, Wait a second,
I got a gig coming up.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, Well tell us more about it quickly?
Speaker 9 (15:21):
Can we plug that.
Speaker 8 (15:24):
The Jimmy Junior Blues Band will be performing this Independence
Day weekend on Saturday night, so you got your Fourth
of July plan stick with them. But the next evening
come out to Golden in the Zone Bar and Grill
in the Zone Bar and gro We're playing from seven
to eleven pm. Very excited to be out. It's our
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first gig. We did that pro police rally, Ryan, you're
at that one a couple months back. We've been lining
up some gigs for the summer and fall, and that
kicks off this Saturday in the Zone and then we'll
also be on Day three pm July twenty seventh, we
will be at the Genesee Cub and.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Barbecue as well.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
So some good times coming with the Jimmy Junior Blues Band.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
The weather heats up and so does the music. Jimmy Sangenberger,
My thanks. It always frequent fill in host for me
right here on this program. And when we come back,
Representative Gabe Evans, if you missed that conversation about the
big beautiful bill, it's coming your way in two parts
as Ryan Schuling Live continues after.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
This No this sucks.
Speaker 10 (16:35):
I mean, we're debating a bill that's gonna cut healthcare
for sixteen million people.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
It's going to give a.
Speaker 10 (16:41):
Tax break to you know, massively wealthy people who don't
need any more money. They're gonna be kids who go
hungry because of this.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Building is the.
Speaker 10 (16:48):
Biggest reduction in you know, Nutritian benefits for kids in
the history of the country. I mean, this is the
most deeply immoral piece of legislation that I've ever voted
on in my entire time I'm in Congress. We're obviously
going to continue to offer these amendments, try to.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Make it better.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Give you.
Speaker 10 (17:04):
So far, not a single one of our amendments, not
a single one of our amendments try to make the
bill better, has passed. But we'll be here all day,
probably all night, giving Republicans the chance over and over
and over again to putting down the tax bets for
the corporations, or to make life a little bit more
less miserable for hungry kids, or maybe don't throw as
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many people off of health care, maybe don't close so
many rural hospitals. It can be a long day and.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
A long night when Democrat dimwit Senator Chris Murphy from
Connecticut is against it and says things like this sucks
and that the big beautiful bill is the quote most
deeply immoral piece of legislation he's ever voted on.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Well, then that's how you know.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
It's good, Ryan schuling live back with you here, launching
you into your Independence Day holiday coming up later this week,
and joining us now. He is a man who has
served in many capacities for a k including in our
armed forces, including as a police officer, including in the
General Assembly, and now in Congress representing Congressional District eight
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in Colorado. Representative Gate Evans Gate, thank you so much
for taking the time.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
All he is good to be hon with you, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, absolutely, And I just want you to respond to
what you heard there from Senator Murphy. Is this the
most deeply immoral piece of legislation that he's ever voted on?
Speaker 11 (18:28):
Oh, it's fear mongering at its finest. Here's what the
bill actually does. It gives tax breaks in Colorado. This
is a Colorado specific number. It gives tax breaks to
the bottom eighty five percent of wage journers in Colorado.
It puts for the average Colorado family of four over
two thousand dollars back in their pockets through these tax breaks.
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It takes care of our small businesses, so not the
big corporations. It takes care of our small businesses by
making sure that their tax rate doesn't go up above
what the big corporate tax rate is. This thing secures
the border so that we can get the cartels and
the criminals and the gang bangers who have been terrorizing Colorado.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Keep in mind, Colorado.
Speaker 11 (19:08):
Is ranked this year the second most dangerous state in
the country, in large part because of the sanctuary state
policies that have welcomed all of these foreign criminals here.
Like Trendy Aragua, which has set up Denver, Colorado is
their national headquarters. It secures the border, It gives resources
to make sure our communities are safe, and it protects
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medicaid for the people who need it most. If you're pregnant,
you're a kid, if you have disabilities, if your elderly,
guess what, you're not.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Involved in this bill.
Speaker 11 (19:37):
The only people from a medicaid perspective involved in this
bill are illegal immigrants getting tax payer money. People who
are able bodied, working, aged, and who won't work for
their free, taxpayer funded healthcare or people who are ineligible
for the benefit in the first place, except Biden paid
them to stay home and wouldn't let states kick him
off the rolls. Those are the only people that are
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involved on the Medicaid side.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
So if we reverse engineer that Congressman Evans what Senator
Murphy and many other Democrats, you know, they're trying out
these same talking points. What they're saying is the very
people you just described, So these fifteen million, sixteen million
that are going to lose health coverage that he is arguing,
in fact, in favor of those able bodied, working age
folks to stay on these medicare Medicaid services. That illegal aliens,
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in fact, yes, should be receiving healthcare although they are
not citizens of the United States, and these people that
you're talking about, there are no exceptions for Democrats as
to who should be able to go to the government
trough and receive these goodies.
Speaker 11 (20:41):
Right, Let's no further than what's happened here in the
state of Colorado, where the federal government has asked we
call it Hickpuff Healthcare Policy and Finance is the full name.
That is the state agency that administers Medicaid. The federal
government has asked the State of Colorado for information about
who's actually getting beat benefits in the State of Colorado
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right now is dragging their feet. They don't want to
turn it over because they know there's a bunch of
illegal immigrants and people who are not eligible for this benefit,
this taxpayer funded healthcare.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
That are on the rolls.
Speaker 11 (21:12):
And so you know, in the sanctuary state of Colorado,
they're doubling down on giving taxpayer money to illegal immigrants.
And the people who get hurt are again the people
for whom Medicaid was created, disabled people, kids, pregnant women, elderly.
These are the people that we are fighting to protect
to make sure that they don't get cut in line
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and have their resources stolen away by ineligible people, illegal immigrants,
or people who are able bodied, working, aged and won't
work part time. I should add it's a part time
requirement in the bill.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Congressman Gabe Evans joining us as they are preparing to
vote on the big beautiful bill in the Senate now
they're considering amendments. A lot of these, as Senator Murphy
pointed out, are being offered up by Democrats. But I
don't know that there's going to be a lot of
changes made to where the bill stands right now, Caroline
Lovett addressing the same points that Gabe was just making.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
And this is where I'm going with.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
The question for Gabe is why is it the Republicans
have such a harder time closing ranks, staying focused, hurting cats,
getting everybody on the same page. Doesn't seem like Democrats
fall off the way that Senator Tom Tillis has on
this issue, and he's a no vote.
Speaker 12 (22:22):
What if the White House's response to Senator Tillis's criticism
articulated from the set of floor yesterday in which you
said passing the Big Beautiful bill would betray President Trump's
promise to protect.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Medicaid, Well, he is just wrong.
Speaker 9 (22:38):
And the President and the vast majority of Republicans who
are supportive of this legislation are right. This bill protects Medicaid,
as I laid out for you, for those who truly
deserve this program, the needy, pregnant women, children, sick Americans
who physically cannot work. And what it does is it
ensures that able bodied Americans who can work or twenty
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hours a week are actually doing so. And that will
therefore strengthen and protect those benefits for Americans who need it,
as well as cutting out the waste, fraud and abuse,
as well as getting one point four million illegal aliens
off of the program. So all of those measures are
actually going to protect it for those who need it.
That's the President's position, and that's what this bill does,
and that's why Republicans need to vote for it and
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get it to the president.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah. So if Senator Tom Tillis is journing the Democrats
here again, they are endorsing that, Yes, there should be waste,
fraud and abuse when it comes to these programs. Yes
we should pay for illegal aliens to be on the programs. Yes,
able bodied, working age Americans should be able to just
sit at home and collect these benefits without contributing to
our economy and our society. First question out of this, one,
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Representative Evans, is why there is you know, kind of
this discord within the party. And it's only a few members,
but it might be enough, as we know, a balance
of power in the House being as narrow as it is,
your voted so important. But you know your colleague, Representative
Thomas mass See is fundamentally against it and virtually every
spending bill we see till us coming out if we
ran Paul arguing against it, why is it in your mind?
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Do you think that Republicans have a harder time coming
together on issues like these?
Speaker 11 (24:12):
Yeah, just a couple of quick thoughts for you, Republicans.
We are the Party of free and independent thought, and
so that means Republicans tend to, you know, we look
at these things a little bit more deeply. We don't
just how the party line, because we are the Party
of free thought. But I'd also point out that there's
been five times already in this Congress where a lot
of the pundits said, I don't know if the Republicans
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are going to be able to hang together and get
it done. And guess what, every single time we've got
it done. We're five and zero right now. Starting with
the speaker vote. People didn't think we'd have a speaker.
Guess what, we got a speaker on the first vote.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
And then going through.
Speaker 11 (24:45):
The Continuing Resolution to keep the Government funded, which by
the way, also cut seven billion dollars out of federal
spending first cr in I can't remember how long that's
actually cut money. And then all of the big votes
with this big Beautiful bill. So we're just making sure
that we're doing our due diligence that it's a good policy.
But we're going to deliver this thing the same way
we've delivered five other victories before when folks didn't think
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we were going to get it.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Done and more straight ahead.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Part two of my conversation with Representative Gabe Evans of
the eighth Congressional District about the Big Beautiful Bill. When
we come back after this on Ryan Schuling Live, Dave
EM's joining US eighth Congressional District, they will wait on
passage of the Big Beautiful Bill through the Senate and
then with whatever changes come back to the House, then
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you guys will have to sign off on it a
final time before it goes to the President's desk, if
I have that right, and Gabe, are there any changes?
I know you're keeping close eyes on this. Has there
been anything done to the bill? We saw that there
were some Medicaid exceptions that were maybe going to be
cut off the table and that Senator John Thun was
trying to work his way through that.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Are there any no goes for you as.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It pertains to anything that the Senate might add or
subtract from the bill.
Speaker 11 (26:00):
Big things to remember with the Senate is, even though
we have a majority in the Senate, we being Republicans,
we don't have a filibuster proof majority. So we have
fifty three votes in the Senate, but you need sixty
to overcome the filibuster. And so the Senate parliamentarian is
who's sitting there deciding, is you know, are these provisions
that are in the bill either subject to the filibuster
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and therefore you need sixty votes to get it passed,
or do these things pass under the rules of the
Senate reconciliation process and there they only need a simple majority.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
And so we've seen some some.
Speaker 11 (26:33):
Provisions that unfortunately got stripped out by the Senate parliamentarian,
specifically around states like Colorado that give taxpayer money to
illegal immigrants. And so those are some of the things
that the Senate Republicans are working through trying to figure
out how do they either add those back in in
a way that passes that it's called the Bird rule,
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passes the burg rule, and therefore they can be passed
with a simple majority.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
And there's a.
Speaker 11 (27:00):
There's emotion that's actually happening right now. Right before I
jumped on, I was watching this on social media. It
sounds like there's a vote that's being forced right now
by Republicans upper down vote that says, should we continue
we being the federal government, Should the federal government continue
to subsidize taxpayer funded payments to states that give that
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tax payer money to illegal immigrants?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And again it's before the Senate as we speak, and
Representative Gabe Evans kind enough to join us with his
thoughts on this. Should this get across the finish line?
Gabe and Caroline Lovett has already said, yeah, we expect
that to happen by the Independence Day holiday. And President
Trump has encouraged you guys to stay on the job,
to not take any time off, to not leave early
on vacation.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Let's get this through. We know Vice.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
President Vance was able to lean on Senator Lisa Murkowski.
Her vote's always kind of up for grabs. It seems
like she might be a yes on this, at least
she was to get it through to a vote through cloture,
like you stated, and then coming back to the House
with Speaker John and you kind of briefly mentioned him
and being able to pull this all together in the
wake of a lot of people on the outside going, yeah,
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I don't know if that's going to happen, and yet
he's getting it done, like you said, five and oh
on that front. So in your mind, should this all
come together? And I think you and I are both
confident that it will. Who deserves the most credit in
making that happen?
Speaker 11 (28:20):
Oh, this is this is a team effort, you know.
But if I was going to name any one particular name,
you know, I would say that Speaker Johnson has been
working on this for well over a year. The first
time I met him, he believed, you know, firmly that
God was going to give Republicans the House, the Senate,
and the presidency. And so since, like again, since the
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first time I met him, he's been talking about laying
the groundwork to get something like this done in the
event that Republicans, as they do now, controlled the House,
the Senate, and the presidency.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I just saw this post now from Elon Musk, and
I want to read it to you how you respond
to it, because this echoes some of the sentiments we've
heard from Representative Thomas Many as well. And I get it,
you know, the Republican party wants to be a fiscally
conservative party, at least those that are in your shoes
Senator Ran Paul in the Senate and Massey himself.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
And there's many people that would like to cut spending.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
But it's difficult to do, especially a bill of this
size and scope. But Musk says, quote, it is obvious
with the insane spending of this bill, which increases the
debt ceiling by a record five trillion dollars, that we
live in a one party country, the porky pig Party.
Time for a new political party that actually cares about
the people. That from Elon Musk, how would you respond
to those criticisms? Congressman evans that this is a porculus package.
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There's too many kind of carve outs, that sort of thing.
We've talked a little bit about the salt exceptions for
the big blue states like New York and California for
state and local taxes.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
How would you respond to that?
Speaker 11 (29:48):
So, if you use actual math to analyze this bill,
at the very worst, this bill is deficit neutral. The
best case scenario, this bill actually cuts about two trillion
dollars in the federal deficit. And here's why. The federal
deficit is really two things. It's how much revenue is
the federal government bringing in, and then it's also how
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much spending is occurring. So this bill cuts spending. But
the other thing that this bill does is because it
cuts red tape and it lowers taxes, even though the
government is taking in less money from each individual person
or business because taxes are getting cut. Turns out that
actually turbo charges the economy, and so the GDP, the
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gross domestic product as a whole, grows and the government
brings in more revenue even though across the board taxes
are lower because of those pro business and pro growth policies.
And so the problem with folks that say that this
bill adds to the deficit is they are using a
one point eight percent annual growth factor for the economy.
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If you go back and you look at history, the
US has averaged between two and a half and three
percent annual growth factor. And then when you have good,
positive pro business policies like in this bill, we actually
get closer to four percent. So if you just use
the historical average for annual economic growth in the United States,
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this bill is deficit neutral. If you get the turbocharged
economy that we're all anticipating that we saw in Trump's
first term when they cut taxes the first time. This
bill is actually deficit reducing by a couple of trillion dollars.
The problem is the official entity in Washington, DC that
does that math is staffed significantly by either known registered
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Democrats or Democrat donors, and they're not giving the math
a fair shake. They're saying that the economy is going
to grow at a slower rate because of all of
these tax breaks, and we know that's just not what happens.
You cut taxes, you cut red tape, the economy grows.
This bill actually is probably going to end up the
deficit reducing.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Couldn't agree more. It happened before, it'll happen again.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
My view of the same as the congressman, is get
this through, get it into action, get that economy churning.
You'll see the results, and then the Republicans will have
momentum going from there with a robust economy, jobs being created,
and everything goes along with it. Final question, Gabe, always
appreciate your time. How will you be spending the Independence
Day holiday.
Speaker 8 (32:18):
Probably in Washington, d C?
Speaker 11 (32:19):
Setting this thing across the finish line. You know, we
know that the Senate's voting now. Once it comes back
to the House, we have to have a certain amount
of time for us to be able to look through
it and make sure we're up the seed on all
the changes that the Senate made. So we're, you know,
planning on being in Washington, d C. Until this thing
gets done.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Hard working, getting the job done for Colorado's eighth district.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Make sure to follow him on ex A. Rep.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Gabe Evans the congressman joining us on Ryan Schulding Live.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Gabe, thank you as always for your time. Enjoy the fourth.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Hopefully you've got everything done by then and you actually
can go out and celebrate the holiday.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Thanks so much always to be on with you, all.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Right, Representave Gabe Evans there and then we'll do it
for me from here for now.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Sheriff Steve Dreams filling in for Dan Camplis on the
Dan Campuss Show. Coming up next. I'll talk to you
again on Wednesday here on Ryan Shuling Live.
Donald Trump commenting on is Zoran or Zorhan?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I think it's Zorn Mamdani, the Democrat nominee for New
York City mayor. And you heard Ron De Santis, governor Florida.
There they were at Alligator Alcatraz getting a long singing
out of the same hymnal DeSantis dysanct anonius and President
Trump there the winning continues, with Alligator Alcatraz, the big
beautiful bill earning passage today through the Senate, albeit with
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some changes that may be poison pills for the House.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
So we go back to the drawing.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Board there, but still fairly likely that we might be
able to get this to the President's desk by Independence
Day July fourth.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Here we are on July one.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Now there will be some negotiating behind the scenes the
House Freedom Caucus, a lot of the more moderate Republicans
from New York and California that want to keep their
state and local tax deductions SALT as it's known, and
then everybody in between that's committed I think to pulling
in the same direction getting this across the finish line,
which would include, in my opinion, all four Republican representatives
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in the US House from the state of Colorado. Jeff
heard in the third, Gabe Evans in the eighth, Lauren
Bobert in the fourth, and Jeff cranked down in the fifth.
And they've all been stalwart, you know, in support of
Trump and the Trump agenda. And this bill is a
big step in that direction. And it passes by virtue
of a tie breaking vote from Vice President Vance earlier today.
(01:28):
Also earlier today, down in the swamp of the Everglades,
the Alligator Alcatraz grand opening. The President was there for
that and he had this humorous statement to make about it.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Agent Hole should note that this is air conditioned facility.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
So if any of the news plays are keeping him
out in the hocke human South Florida, that is wrong.
It's probably sick. You good bring here to be on.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Hey, Biden wanted me in here.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Okay, he wanted me.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
It didn't work.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Out that way, but he wanted me in here.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Now, some people think he said that son of a bee,
but I think he said that son of a goat.
You got to go back and hear the audio. You
can hear there's a little bit of background noise in there.
But either way, he's got a sense of humor about it,
and I think that's a healthy thing for America. You know,
if Donald Trump can roll with the punches like he
has literally, then why can't the rest of us five seven, seven,
(02:18):
three nine year text? I want to go back. I
can't believe we missed this and it slipped through the cracks.
But Senator Michael Bennett, Uh, he got into a shotting
match with the Scott Bessant, Bennett versus Bessent. Now this
is from June twelfth. Again, how did I miss this?
But he decides to go on this rampage and as
Comrade Kyle says, he's like a cicada. He comes out
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every thirteen years.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
This must be that year we did not get here
if we inherited this physical situation that I believed.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Well, you inherited from Donald Trump?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
That was your you did, yes, you did? You inherited
from Donald trumb He's the first to come back after
a four year hiatus after we know exactly what the
last tax cuts did, which was blowed a massive hole
in our deficit of dead. You can't sit here and
(03:14):
lie about that.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
It's true. The data.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Do you point a phrase, The data shows.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
The that's result. The math shows that that is the result.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
No one on this side of the isle admits anymore
or or claims anymore that they didn't blow a huge
hole in the deficit.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
They did.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And now you're here saying to the American people, let's
double down on that.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
A counselor Mackie comparison. Leland and I used to joke about.
It is so spot on or okay, okay, you can't
just sit here and lie.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So he goes all Ted Cruz on Scott Messett. But
he's not done. He's not done.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
We're gonna give tax cuts for the wealthy.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
We are going to.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Give tax cuts again to the wealthiest people in America,
and we are going to finance it on the backs
of the sons and daughters of teachers and firefighters and
police officers all over this country because we can't pay
for it, because the Treasury Secretary and discovered somehow that
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domestic distruction spending is only fifteen percent of the budget
and therefore you can't balance it there.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So he's turning up the volume. I'll have it be known.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
The firefighters, the police officers he's talking about, you know who.
One hundred percent of those unions that represent those hard
workers in the front lines for us every day. Do
you know who they voted for, who they represented, who
they endorsed Donald Trump? And it wasn't just that Scott Bessen.
He sits there and he takes it. Bennett's rant and
(04:51):
raving and hooton hollering, and Bessy just calmly delivers the
dagger and body bags Bennett here figuratively, rhetorically.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
So we had a referendum on November fifth. I agree
with you your side, boss, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And a higher decimin rare.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Democrat who doesn't blame Donald Trump for winning.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I'm sad, he one. I don't blame your level. Don't
come here in your statements. Go ahead, have veracity. Go ahead, Michelle.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
What higher decibel level does not give your statements more voracity?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
My statements are true. If that's the word is that's
what you mean by veracity. My statements are true. You
blew a massive hole in the deficit when your predecessor
was sitting here.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Under Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
And so the question is, and we think it's something
better to do with the money, then this money.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Then drive up interest rates, lose money.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
By borrowing money from our kids. So the richest people
in America can get a tax to when they don't
need it.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
That is the reality of your own the Democrats.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Have you believe that these billionaires they just collect money
and they sit on it like Scrooge McDuck duck tails,
and they don't reinvest in the economy, and they don't
build businesses and create jobs, and they don't make the
economy churn, and they don't invest in Wall Street, and
they don't make it. This is foolishness, obviously, But Michael
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Bennett just tko at the hands of Scott Besson there,
speaking of which our next guest, now, I believe he'll
have a sense of humor about this, but there is,
and I'll play it maybe sometime, maybe tomorrow. William Shatner
gets into it with a producer and this is some
famous audio footage in which he's trying to cut this
promo for a space themed show and he reads through
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it and he thinks he's done well. Then the producer
steps in, like Zach Mike to me and says, oh,
mister Shatner, could you put a little more emphasis on
this word? And it goes south from there in a hurry.
Howard Stern lampooned it, and Jimmy Sangenberger put himself right
in the crosshairs for William Shatner, and Bill was a
little kinder to Jimmy despite setting him straight.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You got to hear this.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
You're coming to Fan Expo Denver. I've been there the
last few years, very excited to have you. When you
go to a convention like this, what does that mean
to you personally and professionally and in particular as well,
what role have they really had over the last coming
up next year, sixty years in helping to keep Star
Trek not just alive.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
But thriving.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Okay, so you know what that's called. That's called a
compound question.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
It is See, I'm trying to narrow in a couple
of a million questions.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
I don't know where to start. I don't know, Jimmy,
let me talk. That's part of the interview. I don't
know where to start to answer that question. What does
it mean to me? I did these comic cons because
I meet the fans and I've just come off. For example,
this weekend, I was in Taekwonderoga, Upstate New York, which
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holding Chiptok claws. That's an Indian term for like a conversation.
And I'd be in front of and I did this
seven or eight times this weekend, and be in front
of an audience of fifty sixty seventy people and start
a conversation like what do you do and why do
you do that? And so many incredible things happen between
the fans and myself. It's gotten to the point where
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the fans in Taekwonderoga come to Taekwonderoga because they've heard
but an extraordinary time. That hour hour and a half
that we have between me and the fans of the
audience is an extraordinary eye opening time in terms of revelation.
And that's what I just did this weekend. I will
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do that this coming weekend on a limited basis. I
think once on Thursday, for I'm not sure where. I'll
stand in front of the audience and tell stories or
take questions and provoke and invoke the audience's response. And
I mean, we have a great time. And then I'll
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sign autographs and while I'm signing, I'll talk, and then
there's pictures, and then there's all these other people not me,
but addressed him, costumes, walking around and it's just joyful time.
So I heard your audience. Come down to the comic
on on Thursday and Friday and Friday, and I'll be
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there and I'd love to see y'all, folks.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
The legendary William Shatner turns ninety four years old in March.
Did you hear him just now? Joe Biden is twelve
years younger than William Shatner at eighty two. How do
you explain that difference. Let's turn to Jimmy Sangenberger and
ask him. Jimmy, what a thrill of a lifetime they're
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getting to interview Captain Kirk.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
You know what, to be gently corrected by Captain Kirk himself.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Is one of the great memories of my life. We
gotta tell you that, thanks brother. Then yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
How do you explain how sharp he was? He followed
your question? You asked them this as he found a
compound question, a two parter, and he took it apart
in parts. He talks about this Indian word for conversations.
He's in tykon to roga. He's describing what he's going
to do at comic Con.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
This guy's ninety.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Four, Well, exactly.
Speaker 8 (10:15):
That's the thing. He's just as sharp as can be.
I remember seeing him one a month or so ago.
He was on Fox News.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
With Jesse Waters yep, and remember.
Speaker 8 (10:25):
It was all the discussion about, you know, Trump wanting
to make Shannon of the fifty first state, and there's
Shatner redirecting the conversation and saying something to the effective
lives in the United States should become Canada's eleventh province.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
It was just sheer, brilliant.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
But I asked him another question related to his role
of Captain Kirk, and he turns it into a segway
directly going to an album he's producing another one of
it because he loves to produce these musical albums, and
he's putting out manages as brilliantly with a Masterstrokes sadway
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directly to promoting one of his upcoming projects. I mean,
it is remarkably impressive and as a vague Star Trek fan,
it was an incredible treat to get the interview on
alongside Manny Connell and Koa Yesterday.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
He's a rock it man. William Shatner an epic interview.
If you can listen to the whole thing online podcast forum.
But Jimmy Singerberg able to line that one up and
Comic Con coming up?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
When is that again?
Speaker 8 (11:29):
Fan expro Denver is this Thursday through funding. Yes, Shatner
will be. He'll be doing photographs of folks and autographs
and will also be, as he said, speaking and answering
questions on Friday at noon. I'll definitely be there, and
I think we're going to see somebody who is going
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to be as fluid and answering audience questions in person
as you just heard him with me.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
He's phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And that's this week on holiday week, and you need
some plans there you go Comic Con, William Shattner, Captain Kirk,
Jimmy Sanglenberger, he'll be there. You can follow him an
ex at Saying Center, sengng Center, ce on Ter. His
latest for the denverg is that entitled epic ruling vindicates
a Colorado judge. Jimmy, take us from there and what
should we know about it?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
So this is interesting.
Speaker 8 (12:19):
Last week, you'll remember the big case that everybody was
going in the media apoplectic. Oh my gosh, how in
the world could they go after birthright citizenship in the
US Supreme Court on a case that.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Had nothing to actually do with.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
The question of birthright citizenship and the Fourteenth Amendment and
instead had everything to do with this trend in recent
yearged toward nationwide for universal injunctions, where a lot of
times a plaintiff will forum shop looking around for a
court that they can go to in a state that's
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going to be more in this case right now in particular,
originally for the courts, or maybe more conservative, depending and
they'll find that that court in the US district court
system that will.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Help them be able to get a.
Speaker 8 (13:12):
Stop to something say that President Trump is doing, whether
that's an executive order on birthright citizenship or on saying
immigration enforcement. Which brings me to something really interesting. You'll remember, Ryan,
I was in court in March of bring and hearing
that happened with a US District judge Daniel Domenico, was
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a case brought by Denver Public.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Schools against the Department of Homeland Security trying.
Speaker 8 (13:43):
To stop them from basically enforcing immigration laws in Denver
by acting as though a Trump policy regarding schools was
substantially different from a Biden policy. And to make a
long story short, the column is really about how Judge
Domenico approached rejecting the requests from DPS for not just
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an injunction for Denver schools, but for enforcement across the country,
essentially setting up sanctuary zones in cities all across the nation.
And the judge, Judge Domenico, said no, I'm very hesitant
in general on injunction, the nationwide injunction, and he gained
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some words of caution that basically were reflected in the
majority six to three decision written by US Supreme Court
Justice Aiming Cone Barrett last week. And I just found
it really interesting the corollaryan connection with this Colorado case
where a judge here got it right.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Jimmy Segeberg gets it right in his article you can
read more about it. Epic ruling vindicates a Colorado judge
in the Denver and again on X He's a good
follow at Saying Center, SCNNG Center, CeON t Er Jimmy,
great stuff as always, especially the highlight clips from William
shattn or the thrill of a lifetime.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Thanks for sharing that with us too.
Speaker 8 (15:14):
Hey yeah, absolutely right, and wait a second, Wait a second,
I got a gig coming up.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, Well tell us more about it quickly?
Speaker 9 (15:21):
Can we plug that.
Speaker 8 (15:24):
The Jimmy Junior Blues Band will be performing this Independence
Day weekend on Saturday night, so you got your Fourth
of July plan stick with them. But the next evening
come out to Golden in the Zone Bar and Grill
in the Zone Bar and gro We're playing from seven
to eleven pm. Very excited to be out. It's our
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first gig. We did that pro police rally, Ryan, you're
at that one a couple months back. We've been lining
up some gigs for the summer and fall, and that
kicks off this Saturday in the Zone and then we'll
also be on Day three pm July twenty seventh, we
will be at the Genesee Cub and.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Barbecue as well.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
So some good times coming with the Jimmy Junior Blues Band.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
The weather heats up and so does the music. Jimmy Sangenberger,
My thanks. It always frequent fill in host for me
right here on this program. And when we come back,
Representative Gabe Evans, if you missed that conversation about the
big beautiful bill, it's coming your way in two parts
as Ryan Schuling Live continues after.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
This No this sucks.
Speaker 10 (16:35):
I mean, we're debating a bill that's gonna cut healthcare
for sixteen million people.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
It's going to give a.
Speaker 10 (16:41):
Tax break to you know, massively wealthy people who don't
need any more money. They're gonna be kids who go
hungry because of this.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Building is the.
Speaker 10 (16:48):
Biggest reduction in you know, Nutritian benefits for kids in
the history of the country. I mean, this is the
most deeply immoral piece of legislation that I've ever voted
on in my entire time I'm in Congress. We're obviously
going to continue to offer these amendments, try to.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Make it better.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Give you.
Speaker 10 (17:04):
So far, not a single one of our amendments, not
a single one of our amendments try to make the
bill better, has passed. But we'll be here all day,
probably all night, giving Republicans the chance over and over
and over again to putting down the tax bets for
the corporations, or to make life a little bit more
less miserable for hungry kids, or maybe don't throw as
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many people off of health care, maybe don't close so
many rural hospitals. It can be a long day and.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
A long night when Democrat dimwit Senator Chris Murphy from
Connecticut is against it and says things like this sucks
and that the big beautiful bill is the quote most
deeply immoral piece of legislation he's ever voted on.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Well, then that's how you know.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
It's good, Ryan schuling live back with you here, launching
you into your Independence Day holiday coming up later this week,
and joining us now. He is a man who has
served in many capacities for a k including in our
armed forces, including as a police officer, including in the
General Assembly, and now in Congress representing Congressional District eight
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in Colorado. Representative Gate Evans Gate, thank you so much
for taking the time.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
All he is good to be hon with you, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, absolutely, And I just want you to respond to
what you heard there from Senator Murphy. Is this the
most deeply immoral piece of legislation that he's ever voted on?
Speaker 11 (18:28):
Oh, it's fear mongering at its finest. Here's what the
bill actually does. It gives tax breaks in Colorado. This
is a Colorado specific number. It gives tax breaks to
the bottom eighty five percent of wage journers in Colorado.
It puts for the average Colorado family of four over
two thousand dollars back in their pockets through these tax breaks.
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It takes care of our small businesses, so not the
big corporations. It takes care of our small businesses by
making sure that their tax rate doesn't go up above
what the big corporate tax rate is. This thing secures
the border so that we can get the cartels and
the criminals and the gang bangers who have been terrorizing Colorado.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Keep in mind, Colorado.
Speaker 11 (19:08):
Is ranked this year the second most dangerous state in
the country, in large part because of the sanctuary state
policies that have welcomed all of these foreign criminals here.
Like Trendy Aragua, which has set up Denver, Colorado is
their national headquarters. It secures the border, It gives resources
to make sure our communities are safe, and it protects
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medicaid for the people who need it most. If you're pregnant,
you're a kid, if you have disabilities, if your elderly,
guess what, you're not.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Involved in this bill.
Speaker 11 (19:37):
The only people from a medicaid perspective involved in this
bill are illegal immigrants getting tax payer money. People who
are able bodied, working, aged, and who won't work for
their free, taxpayer funded healthcare or people who are ineligible
for the benefit in the first place, except Biden paid
them to stay home and wouldn't let states kick him
off the rolls. Those are the only people that are
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involved on the Medicaid side.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
So if we reverse engineer that Congressman Evans what Senator
Murphy and many other Democrats, you know, they're trying out
these same talking points. What they're saying is the very
people you just described, So these fifteen million, sixteen million
that are going to lose health coverage that he is arguing,
in fact, in favor of those able bodied, working age
folks to stay on these medicare Medicaid services. That illegal aliens,
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in fact, yes, should be receiving healthcare although they are
not citizens of the United States, and these people that
you're talking about, there are no exceptions for Democrats as
to who should be able to go to the government
trough and receive these goodies.
Speaker 11 (20:41):
Right, Let's no further than what's happened here in the
state of Colorado, where the federal government has asked we
call it Hickpuff Healthcare Policy and Finance is the full name.
That is the state agency that administers Medicaid. The federal
government has asked the State of Colorado for information about
who's actually getting beat benefits in the State of Colorado
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right now is dragging their feet. They don't want to
turn it over because they know there's a bunch of
illegal immigrants and people who are not eligible for this benefit,
this taxpayer funded healthcare.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
That are on the rolls.
Speaker 11 (21:12):
And so you know, in the sanctuary state of Colorado,
they're doubling down on giving taxpayer money to illegal immigrants.
And the people who get hurt are again the people
for whom Medicaid was created, disabled people, kids, pregnant women, elderly.
These are the people that we are fighting to protect
to make sure that they don't get cut in line
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and have their resources stolen away by ineligible people, illegal immigrants,
or people who are able bodied, working, aged and won't
work part time. I should add it's a part time
requirement in the bill.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Congressman Gabe Evans joining us as they are preparing to
vote on the big beautiful bill in the Senate now
they're considering amendments. A lot of these, as Senator Murphy
pointed out, are being offered up by Democrats. But I
don't know that there's going to be a lot of
changes made to where the bill stands right now, Caroline
Lovett addressing the same points that Gabe was just making.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
And this is where I'm going with.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
The question for Gabe is why is it the Republicans
have such a harder time closing ranks, staying focused, hurting cats,
getting everybody on the same page. Doesn't seem like Democrats
fall off the way that Senator Tom Tillis has on
this issue, and he's a no vote.
Speaker 12 (22:22):
What if the White House's response to Senator Tillis's criticism
articulated from the set of floor yesterday in which you
said passing the Big Beautiful bill would betray President Trump's
promise to protect.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Medicaid, Well, he is just wrong.
Speaker 9 (22:38):
And the President and the vast majority of Republicans who
are supportive of this legislation are right. This bill protects Medicaid,
as I laid out for you, for those who truly
deserve this program, the needy, pregnant women, children, sick Americans
who physically cannot work. And what it does is it
ensures that able bodied Americans who can work or twenty
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hours a week are actually doing so. And that will
therefore strengthen and protect those benefits for Americans who need it,
as well as cutting out the waste, fraud and abuse,
as well as getting one point four million illegal aliens
off of the program. So all of those measures are
actually going to protect it for those who need it.
That's the President's position, and that's what this bill does,
and that's why Republicans need to vote for it and
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get it to the president.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah. So if Senator Tom Tillis is journing the Democrats
here again, they are endorsing that, Yes, there should be waste,
fraud and abuse when it comes to these programs. Yes
we should pay for illegal aliens to be on the programs. Yes,
able bodied, working age Americans should be able to just
sit at home and collect these benefits without contributing to
our economy and our society. First question out of this, one,
(23:45):
Representative Evans, is why there is you know, kind of
this discord within the party. And it's only a few members,
but it might be enough, as we know, a balance
of power in the House being as narrow as it is,
your voted so important. But you know your colleague, Representative
Thomas mass See is fundamentally against it and virtually every
spending bill we see till us coming out if we
ran Paul arguing against it, why is it in your mind?
(24:07):
Do you think that Republicans have a harder time coming
together on issues like these?
Speaker 11 (24:12):
Yeah, just a couple of quick thoughts for you, Republicans.
We are the Party of free and independent thought, and
so that means Republicans tend to, you know, we look
at these things a little bit more deeply. We don't
just how the party line, because we are the Party
of free thought. But I'd also point out that there's
been five times already in this Congress where a lot
of the pundits said, I don't know if the Republicans
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are going to be able to hang together and get
it done. And guess what, every single time we've got
it done. We're five and zero right now. Starting with
the speaker vote. People didn't think we'd have a speaker.
Guess what, we got a speaker on the first vote.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
And then going through.
Speaker 11 (24:45):
The Continuing Resolution to keep the Government funded, which by
the way, also cut seven billion dollars out of federal
spending first cr in I can't remember how long that's
actually cut money. And then all of the big votes
with this big Beautiful bill. So we're just making sure
that we're doing our due diligence that it's a good policy.
But we're going to deliver this thing the same way
we've delivered five other victories before when folks didn't think
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we were going to get it.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Done and more straight ahead.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Part two of my conversation with Representative Gabe Evans of
the eighth Congressional District about the Big Beautiful Bill. When
we come back after this on Ryan Schuling Live, Dave
EM's joining US eighth Congressional District, they will wait on
passage of the Big Beautiful Bill through the Senate and
then with whatever changes come back to the House, then
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you guys will have to sign off on it a
final time before it goes to the President's desk, if
I have that right, and Gabe, are there any changes?
I know you're keeping close eyes on this. Has there
been anything done to the bill? We saw that there
were some Medicaid exceptions that were maybe going to be
cut off the table and that Senator John Thun was
trying to work his way through that.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Are there any no goes for you as.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It pertains to anything that the Senate might add or
subtract from the bill.
Speaker 11 (26:00):
Big things to remember with the Senate is, even though
we have a majority in the Senate, we being Republicans,
we don't have a filibuster proof majority. So we have
fifty three votes in the Senate, but you need sixty
to overcome the filibuster. And so the Senate parliamentarian is
who's sitting there deciding, is you know, are these provisions
that are in the bill either subject to the filibuster
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and therefore you need sixty votes to get it passed,
or do these things pass under the rules of the
Senate reconciliation process and there they only need a simple majority.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
And so we've seen some some.
Speaker 11 (26:33):
Provisions that unfortunately got stripped out by the Senate parliamentarian,
specifically around states like Colorado that give taxpayer money to
illegal immigrants. And so those are some of the things
that the Senate Republicans are working through trying to figure
out how do they either add those back in in
a way that passes that it's called the Bird rule,
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passes the burg rule, and therefore they can be passed
with a simple majority.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
And there's a.
Speaker 11 (27:00):
There's emotion that's actually happening right now. Right before I
jumped on, I was watching this on social media. It
sounds like there's a vote that's being forced right now
by Republicans upper down vote that says, should we continue
we being the federal government, Should the federal government continue
to subsidize taxpayer funded payments to states that give that
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tax payer money to illegal immigrants?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And again it's before the Senate as we speak, and
Representative Gabe Evans kind enough to join us with his
thoughts on this. Should this get across the finish line?
Gabe and Caroline Lovett has already said, yeah, we expect
that to happen by the Independence Day holiday. And President
Trump has encouraged you guys to stay on the job,
to not take any time off, to not leave early
on vacation.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Let's get this through. We know Vice.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
President Vance was able to lean on Senator Lisa Murkowski.
Her vote's always kind of up for grabs. It seems
like she might be a yes on this, at least
she was to get it through to a vote through cloture,
like you stated, and then coming back to the House
with Speaker John and you kind of briefly mentioned him
and being able to pull this all together in the
wake of a lot of people on the outside going, yeah,
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I don't know if that's going to happen, and yet
he's getting it done, like you said, five and oh
on that front. So in your mind, should this all
come together? And I think you and I are both
confident that it will. Who deserves the most credit in
making that happen?
Speaker 11 (28:20):
Oh, this is this is a team effort, you know.
But if I was going to name any one particular name,
you know, I would say that Speaker Johnson has been
working on this for well over a year. The first
time I met him, he believed, you know, firmly that
God was going to give Republicans the House, the Senate,
and the presidency. And so since, like again, since the
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first time I met him, he's been talking about laying
the groundwork to get something like this done in the
event that Republicans, as they do now, controlled the House,
the Senate, and the presidency.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I just saw this post now from Elon Musk, and
I want to read it to you how you respond
to it, because this echoes some of the sentiments we've
heard from Representative Thomas Many as well. And I get it,
you know, the Republican party wants to be a fiscally
conservative party, at least those that are in your shoes
Senator Ran Paul in the Senate and Massey himself.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
And there's many people that would like to cut spending.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
But it's difficult to do, especially a bill of this
size and scope. But Musk says, quote, it is obvious
with the insane spending of this bill, which increases the
debt ceiling by a record five trillion dollars, that we
live in a one party country, the porky pig Party.
Time for a new political party that actually cares about
the people. That from Elon Musk, how would you respond
to those criticisms? Congressman evans that this is a porculus package.
(29:35):
There's too many kind of carve outs, that sort of thing.
We've talked a little bit about the salt exceptions for
the big blue states like New York and California for
state and local taxes.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
How would you respond to that?
Speaker 11 (29:48):
So, if you use actual math to analyze this bill,
at the very worst, this bill is deficit neutral. The
best case scenario, this bill actually cuts about two trillion
dollars in the federal deficit. And here's why. The federal
deficit is really two things. It's how much revenue is
the federal government bringing in, and then it's also how
(30:09):
much spending is occurring. So this bill cuts spending. But
the other thing that this bill does is because it
cuts red tape and it lowers taxes, even though the
government is taking in less money from each individual person
or business because taxes are getting cut. Turns out that
actually turbo charges the economy, and so the GDP, the
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gross domestic product as a whole, grows and the government
brings in more revenue even though across the board taxes
are lower because of those pro business and pro growth policies.
And so the problem with folks that say that this
bill adds to the deficit is they are using a
one point eight percent annual growth factor for the economy.
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If you go back and you look at history, the
US has averaged between two and a half and three
percent annual growth factor. And then when you have good,
positive pro business policies like in this bill, we actually
get closer to four percent. So if you just use
the historical average for annual economic growth in the United States,
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this bill is deficit neutral. If you get the turbocharged
economy that we're all anticipating that we saw in Trump's
first term when they cut taxes the first time. This
bill is actually deficit reducing by a couple of trillion dollars.
The problem is the official entity in Washington, DC that
does that math is staffed significantly by either known registered
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Democrats or Democrat donors, and they're not giving the math
a fair shake. They're saying that the economy is going
to grow at a slower rate because of all of
these tax breaks, and we know that's just not what happens.
You cut taxes, you cut red tape, the economy grows.
This bill actually is probably going to end up the
deficit reducing.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Couldn't agree more. It happened before, it'll happen again.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
My view of the same as the congressman, is get
this through, get it into action, get that economy churning.
You'll see the results, and then the Republicans will have
momentum going from there with a robust economy, jobs being created,
and everything goes along with it. Final question, Gabe, always
appreciate your time. How will you be spending the Independence
Day holiday.
Speaker 8 (32:18):
Probably in Washington, d C?
Speaker 11 (32:19):
Setting this thing across the finish line. You know, we
know that the Senate's voting now. Once it comes back
to the House, we have to have a certain amount
of time for us to be able to look through
it and make sure we're up the seed on all
the changes that the Senate made. So we're, you know,
planning on being in Washington, d C. Until this thing
gets done.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Hard working, getting the job done for Colorado's eighth district.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Make sure to follow him on ex A. Rep.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Gabe Evans the congressman joining us on Ryan Schulding Live.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Gabe, thank you as always for your time. Enjoy the fourth.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Hopefully you've got everything done by then and you actually
can go out and celebrate the holiday.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Thanks so much always to be on with you, all.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Right, Representave Gabe Evans there and then we'll do it
for me from here for now.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Sheriff Steve Dreams filling in for Dan Camplis on the
Dan Campuss Show. Coming up next. I'll talk to you
again on Wednesday here on Ryan Shuling Live.
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