July 11, 2025 • 39 mins
Weekly segment featuring Deborah Flora and Christian Toto in-studio with a conservative eye on the entertainment industry, focusing on a culture shift away from woke ideology in music, film, and television.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The world's changing, Clark, and the questions are getting louder.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Is the Superman threat?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Superman requires immediate action.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
First thought it.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
About seven feet tall, but it has been growing.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
People were going to die.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
My father once told me, it's not about what you
can do, Clark, it's about what.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You choose to do.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
That's why I choose to protect this world.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Are you ready? Oh yeah, everyone has a weakness Superman.
All we have to do is find it.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
You got a cold man.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Look what.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Luther is going to hurt people. I have to stop him.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Superman is actually a refugee an immigrants.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
They're trying to to equate those things.
Speaker 6 (01:14):
Together, which I think is ridiculous because of the current
politicization of that situation. James Gunn is not the kind
of guy who's going to put an American flag in
his front yard during Fourth of July, and that's the
kind of guy you need to be to create Superman.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I did not like this movie at all. Every man
in this movie is weak, and he cries Chris, there
is one silver lining here which I think you touched.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
On dresses, short skirts, high heels, cleavage.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Thank you James Gunn for that.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
Hollywood's has been trying to remove masculinity for it seems
like the last decade. Once again, it needs to be
white Boy Summer to bring people back to the box office.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
The trailer followed by you heard Dean Kane, who of
course famously portrayed Superman himself, along with Pierce Morgan in
a panel of others talking about Superman. It has caused
quite a ruckus on the American pop culture landscape because
of comments by director James Gunn joining me in studio
for their opinions. Debra Flor, Award winning filmmaker and host
(02:12):
of the Hollywood and Toto podcast and hub of Hollywoodtoto
dot Com. Christian Toto. Christian, you've written about the film.
You've seen the film, right, Okay, so let's start with
you and get your thoughts on what you just heard
and what you just saw with.
Speaker 7 (02:26):
The movie introducing Not So Superman. It's very, very, very weak.
Oh no, listen, I always put the politics and the
banter aside. When I go into a movie theater. I want,
I really want everything to be good. That's that's kind
of why I became a film critic. So the film
itself is very weak, it's dis jointed. It's amateurcia times, clumsy,
weak storytelling devices, cringeworthy subplots.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
On the plus side, David.
Speaker 7 (02:50):
Korn's with the New Superman looks the part, acts the part,
He's got the gravitas, well done. I think Nicholas Holt
does the best he can as Lex Luthor, but the
role is so poorly written. Again, and even Rachel brought
the hand. Is Lois Lane, fine good actress. I thought
there was decent chemistry between her and Superman, but they
introduce their relationships and they go, oh, we don't need anymore,
let's just put aside. We'll punt it to the end
of the story. So lots and lots of flaws.
Speaker 8 (03:13):
Well, absolutely, And I have to say I have not
seen it yet, but our son has, and he's kind
of the demographic for this.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
And one of the things that he pointed.
Speaker 8 (03:21):
Out that I've had I've definitely heard about the film
is James Gunn, obviously well known for Guardians at the Galaxy.
He said it is more like Guardians of the Galaxy
than it is like a Superman movie, but not as
clever or original. In other words, just kind of gets
very silly. In the bottom line of it all, and
I don't think it is as politicized as many people say.
But one thing I do have to take a little
(03:43):
bit of you know, tac with here, is that in
twenty twenty one DC, the comic books themselves change Superman's
slogan from truth Justice in the American Way to Truth
Justice and a Better Tomorrow. The branding for this movie
is Truth, Justice and the Human Way. And I think
you know, if you're going to tell this story, it
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is uniquely American.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
It's like taking.
Speaker 8 (04:06):
Captain America and making him somehow kind of a morphous
general human whatever. But when you say and the Human Way,
I think it shows how lost the focus of this
movie is from the start, because if you're saying the
human way the history of humankind prior to the United
States of America's monarchs and slavery, there is something unique
about saying the American way. And when you shy away
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from that, and when James gun goes out of his
way to say this is a movie about an immigrant.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Granted, yeah it could be, but why say that.
Speaker 8 (04:37):
I mean, the realities can cause let me just not
do the job of making a movie without automatically trying
to say something about they'll make them more popular in
the inside of Hollywood at the party on Friday night
than trying to attract half of America that perhaps you
just turned off by this.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I hear the Human Way and I think of George
Costanz and Seinfeld the Human Fund. Your name just sounds
fraudulent and phony. But you brought out the point, so
we'll go right to that sound bite. Here's Dean Kin
following up. He did an interview with Alec Lace about
this very issue that the subject matter, the slogan airing
behind it, and the backing away of stars from not
(05:18):
just Superman, but also as we witnessed over the last
year or so, Captain America, Captain America.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
We have Superman to say, they take out the true
justice in the American way.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
We have a Captain America who says, hey, he's really
not all about America, and you're like, what are we
doing here?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
These are iconic figures that are great for the country
and they're taking them away.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
I listen on my ex bio it says truth, justice
in the American Way.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Why Warner Brothers let that labs? I'll never know. Now.
Stephen L. Miller, who will be appearing on this program.
He's read Steeves. He is hosted the Versus Media podcast,
and he'll join me to start hour number two. Kind
of picking up on this conversation. But he reposted this
Christian and I thought it was an excellent point made
by somebody who responded to him named John. It says
Superman Cannon does not identify as an alien or immigrant.
(06:03):
He's always fully assimilated and considers himself a citizen of
Earth in a the United States. He has barely any
knowledge of Krypton other than what he was told, but
considers mon Pa Kent. His real parents is adoptive parents.
Where Kansas right, Smallville right?
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Or what?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, that's it. He's a kid from Kansas. Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
I mean this whole conversation should be sort of a
super geeky, you know, debate you're having at twelve midnight
and you've eaten too many hot wings, like.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
That's where That's where this conversation belongs.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
But James Gunn bless his heart, came up with this
several days before his massive movie opens. He opened this
can of worms. I just can't understand it. The theories
I've heard that I could share that I think are interesting.
As one, he knows the movie's not very good, so
he's doing a little bit damage control to he knows
the movie's not very good and he wants to get
in the good.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Graces of his fellow liberals once more.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Or even he's going to get more protection from the
media now because the media is seeing this as a
Superman versus Maga situation, so the framing from the media
will be more kind.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Those are just the or he's just done.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
And then listen, if you make a movie that hinges
on an entire universe of films and you get political
at the eleventh hour, that is the definition of stupid.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Sorry, it just is just is well come back to that.
I spoke with filmmaker Greg Rabiedo earlier this week, and
he had an interesting take on kind of the metaphorical
sense of what he picked up on with the film.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
So I was interested in both the reboot, which really
goes back to the origin of Superman, but then places
them essentially in today element, today's society, today's issues, and
frames it much more, I mean, thinly veiled, let's face it,
essentially of a he's an immigrant, he's misunderstood, he's just
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trying to slip out his dreams and protect the vulnerable,
and Luther aka Trump is evil and must be stopped.
And when I heard the we're all going to die
in the trailer, actually, I immediately thought of Chuck Schumer, who
seems to be pressing that button, you know, every other
day with everything, that we're all going to die if
(08:14):
the one big beautiful bill is pass We're all going
to die.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Now. You brought this point up, Debra, and that is
when I watched the original Superman. At least as we
know as kids in the late seventies, Christopher even the
starring role, and then other actors portrayed younger versions of
Clark Kent at that time. He appears in Kansas, He's
raised by this family, he goes to high school, he's
you know, kind of hiding his super powers. And that's
(08:37):
what really is his fear of either fitting in or
not fitting And it's not that he's an immigrant or
he's an illegal alien. It's that he's a totally different
kind of life form and if that's exposed, well, that's
going to make him a target.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
Well, I also think both in the original one that
you were to us talking about, but also the Man
of Steel one. I actually thought they did something very interesting.
He's growing up in Kansas. He doesn't see his difference
with his fellow's students as anything about his origin.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
It's the fact that he's a sensory difference.
Speaker 8 (09:06):
I mean, he's got superhering, he's got supervision, he's he's
got super strength, and that kind of disconnect, and that
is much more interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It really is.
Speaker 8 (09:15):
What is different about him is not how he identifies
or his values, which was written as the American values,
was his self reliance. It is helping one another. It
is kindness that I do appreciate least gun pointed to.
But it is much more interesting to examine this individual
growing up in America, in Kansas, identifying with his parents.
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But what is different about him his abilities? How does
he control how different he is? And in the movie
with Man of Steel, it creates a super bond with
his mom, who he just sees as his mom because
she's the one that helps him through, helps him deal
with what I actually thought was more interesting having a
daughter who's autistic. What if someone is sensorly different, how
do they handle that as a youngster? And then what
(09:57):
is the right time to let people know you're different.
And there was that moment in Man of Steel where
Kevin Costner says, it's not time to show everybody who
you are.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I wish he had and died saving the dog.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
I'm tired of that.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I love dogs, but that was silly, but he just.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
It was more about when do you come out and
show you're different, and how do you deal with what
really makes him unique, which is that he's from another planet.
That's it not identifying as a different culture.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And the timing of when these characters were created, way
back when yesteryear Christian and what American society and our
culture was like back then, whether it was Batman or
Captain America or Superman, there was this ethos of American pride,
of us coming together and fighting the Nazis and the
Japanese and World War Two. There was the sense of
rallying around the flag. As to why there was a
(10:43):
Captain America, as to why Superman fought for the American way.
How did we degrade from that to where we are
right now.
Speaker 7 (10:50):
Well, part of it, you could say, well, Hollywood wants
to appease the foreign market, so oft this movie is
in China, this movie's different countries. We need those dollars too,
But you know, I have to double check the numbers.
But I think Top Gun Maverick was a pretty all
American movie. I know it was a huge hit here.
I have to double check on the where there was
controversy about the patch on.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, but and that was sort of settled quickly too.
I think that.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
But but generally speaking, I don't think at a foreign audience,
pain wherever they're from, are going to look at this
film and say, well, he's an American base, I'm not
going to watch it. Or maybe if the character at
one point says truth justice in America way, they're not
going to storm out of the theater. I think people
are kind of more mature than that. So I think
that kind of pandering just doesn't make any sense. It
(11:33):
is very reflective of the philosophy of the filmmakers. James
Gunn is on the far left, so I'm not surprised
by that. But you know, that's it's another opportunity lost.
I mean, they could have reclaimed that thing, you know,
made some new friends and and kind of been a
nice way to.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Kind of have it more exclusive.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
I mean, is there a liberal person who's going to
hear that phrase and think, oh my gosh, I'm not
going to see this movie.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I don't think so. I could be wrong, but I
don't think so. From the filmmaker perspective, which Deborah has
and your husband Jonathan as well. Working for Disney, as
we've discussed many times, I asked filmmaker Greg Robbido about
why a director might feel so bold to do as
what James Gunn did, which says, no, this is woke,
and it's about being an illegal alien. It's pro immigrant,
it's anti Trump, it's all of that, and why he
(12:16):
would be so bold is to alien night half his audience.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
It's interesting, isn't it. Years ago, there's no way a
director or actor would come out and boldly essentially, I
think you hit it perfectly in your intro, essentially, come
out and alien ate half the audience and still say
that's okay. I don't care because the core audience maybe
we made it for I'm trying to own.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
It's almost like a.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Politician talking to his or her base. They have no
interest in compromising or getting the other side, I guess
to feel good about them or maybe even get their vote.
They just want to get as many of their own
baths out to vote. I almost feel that way. We're
getting that way with movies with some of these directors
who alien ate half. But I guess it works for
them as long as their core base comes out in
(13:02):
the numbers they need them to come out.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
And Deborah, why do that? It's just not smart business.
Isn't the whole point of a summer blockbuster to bring
all of an audience together and try to maximize its appeal.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
Absolutely, And we were talking Christian I before the show started.
The burden on a movie like this to make money.
I mean, by the end of the day, it's probably
at least three hundred million dollars, and then you add
even more on top of it. It has to make
seven hundred million dollars to see any sort of profit.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
So it's it's really crazy.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
But it shows first of all, the insular nature of Hollywood.
People are so in a silo there that they do
think a little bit more about how their buddies are
going to look at them. Did they get you know,
virtue signing, bonus points, all of that sort of thing.
But you know, the other thing that really gets me
is and I think this is this is what I'm
so tired of. I just have to say, we have
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a lot to be so proud of as Americans. Americans,
I mean, when you think about World War Two going in, Yeah,
we were a little late getting in, but we stopped
one of the worst, just horrific periods of history. We
have people that prosper because of the nature of what
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America represents. Know that people aren't better than other human beings,
but I think it's time for a little bit of pride.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I think it's interesting.
Speaker 8 (14:18):
One of my favorite lines out of the earlier Captain
America in Marvel movies, when they didn't get this woke.
I'll never forget when he woke up from his sleep,
he puts on his stars and stripes and he says
to Phil Coulson, you know, aren't the stars and stripes
a little old fashioned? And fill agent Coulson says to him, Well,
with what's going on, I think we can use a
little old fashion, And they pressed into that with Captain America.
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They made fun of the fact that he didn't swear,
but he ended up being the leader at the end
because he represented the best of America. Other cultures get celebrated,
and I think leftist Hollywood likes to mean America and
create this moral equivalency between cultures and that is not
historically accurate.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Debrah Floor, who you just heard, word winning filmmaker in
her own right, and Christian Tooto Hollywood and Toto dot
com also alongside this one really got to me. And
it's something that you sent me, Christian. And there's also
addendum that I am, but I don't know who the
reporter was for a variety, but it's this notion of
kind of getting off on tweaking Trump supporters, Maga, the
far right. You know, it's kind of cheap heat they
(15:22):
call it in the pro wrestling world. Here's Sean Gunn,
the brother ne'er dowell brother. I think, who is this
guy of James Gunn talking about Maga being tweaked by this.
Speaker 9 (15:34):
Your boss, your brother talked about Superman being an immigrant,
and now Maga has already upset that he's called.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Superman an immigrant. I wanted to get your reaction, you know.
Speaker 10 (15:48):
My reaction to that is that it is exactly what
the movie is about. I think that, like, we support
our people, you know, we love our immigrants, We love
yes Superman is an immigrant, and yes, the people that
we support in this country are immigrants. And if you
(16:11):
don't like that, then you're not American. People who say
no to immigrants are against the American way, They're against
what the American dream.
Speaker 11 (16:21):
Is all about.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Truth, justice, and the American absolutely never mind the fact
that they continue to conflate legal immigrants with illegal aliens.
But Christian, you brought that to my attention your thoughts,
I just don't believe it.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
Maybe shouldn't drink before the red carpet, I think that's
part from That's what I was thinking. And he's literally
sabotaging his brother's project. That reporter, dripping with sarrocasm, met
by Shawn gun dripping with even more sorcasm. The conflation
there is just so maddening, and they can't defend themselves.
That's why they conflate. They can't have a league, they
can't have a coaching conversation about immigration right now, so
(16:55):
they do that. The film is not about immigration illegal otherwise,
it's about a super hero. It's just absurd. The reporter
was clearly baiting Sehn Gunns. He took the bait and
ran with it. Nathan Fillian, who's also in the movie,
is charming in the film. He just said, hey, it's
a movie, Like he just brushed off, like that's what
you should do. Hey, we're having fun here.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
It's a movie.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
That's how you promote a movie. The people here are
not in their homes with their wives and children because
of X, Y or Z. They're promoting a movie and
they can't help but alienate people.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
It's fascinating to make. Christian brought up Nathan Phillion, Deborah,
I'll have your respond to this clip. I happen to
grab it. Same reporter from Variety.
Speaker 9 (17:33):
James has said that Superman is an immigrant story, that
it is political. Maga today was getting a little upset
that he called.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Superman an immigrant. I wanted to get your reaction. Somebody
needs a hug. It's just a movie, guys, movie, it
was just a movie. Gon injected this into the conversation.
We didn't do it. We're reacting to it. Nathan Fillian
portrays a guy Gardner in the film. Never hear it
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as it's your fault for noticing.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Oh goodness, Gracie. Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
I don't actually care James Gunn's politics, but I do
care that it is pushed upon us. I think what
stands out to me about Sean Gunn's comment is we
love our people, And what he's basically saying is he
has he considers our people, though people who are making
this and with this to be illegal aliens, more than
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your fellow citizens who just want to go and see
a good story that actually celebrates some of the good
aspects of America. And by the way, it's a comic book.
Can we just go back to having something that is
not politicized. This is the other thing you know that
Christian said is it's dumbfounding. We used to be able
to come together as Americans at sporting events.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
They were not politicized.
Speaker 8 (18:51):
You'd have a Democrat, say nature Republican rooting for the
home team. You could go to movies that brought us
together because they're out the human experience, not the human way,
but the human experience, and you brought people together the
point to basically say, these are our people, the illegal immigrants,
but not the rest of America, over half who voted
(19:11):
for the current president.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
It's just it's so frustrating. I missed just good movies
that you can just enjoy. You can just watch and enjoy.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
And I would have been rooting James gunn On if
he had done that.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
We wanted to like it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
We wanted to like it for the audience.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Thumbs down, I guess from Christian Toto. All right, now,
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of the Week. One of them is going to sound
like an echo if you were with us before the break.
Drunk on the red carpet is later through life just injecture,
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injecture and speculation. Although I believe it to be accurate
from our own CT. It's Sean gun again. This reminds
me of like, you know, Billy Carter, like the brother
why is he there? Why is he a thing?
Speaker 7 (21:34):
Well, he has a tiny microscopic role in the film, right,
it's a cameo of a camera.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
His game was Sean Jones. Would he have gotten? Said? Okay,
so writing his brother's coattails into the political Leviathan, here's
Sean Gunn on Superman as an immigrant.
Speaker 9 (21:53):
Your boss, your brother talked about Superman being an immigrant,
and now Maga there's already upset that he's called Superman
an immigrant.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I wanted to get Jerry. I want that got to
be Fool of the Week, rinsh.
Speaker 10 (22:06):
You know my reaction to that is that it is
exactly what the movie is about. I think that, like,
we support our people, you know, we love our immigrants.
We love Yes, Superman is an immigrant, and yes the people,
the people that we support in this country are immigrants.
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And if you don't like that, then you're not American.
People who say no to immigrants are against the American way.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
They're against what the American dream is all about. Truth,
justice and the American right. Absolutely, Okay, as the son
of an immigrant. I can tell you that the immigrants
dream is to come to this country, Deborah and become. Oh,
I don't know, an American citizen.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
It's why they come here in the first place.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
I've never met anyone who's come here and come to
America because they think it stinks, you know, because it's
so bad, because you know, I had it better where
I was, or there's twenty five other countries I could
go to. They come here because the things that are
in our founding documents have created the greatest opportunity for prosperity,
for freedom, for flourishing, for living your.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Life the way you would.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
I got to repeat what I said before the break,
Sean guns saying our people, Sean, I guess I'm not
your people because I am for borders and having a nation.
You know, a nation without borders is no nation at all.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
So there, christ I got to go back to this
point about the human way, the human fund, as I said,
you know, we're citizens of the world. No we're not.
That's what Dever just said. We're a nation with borders,
with a language, with culture, as Michael Savage says. And
I've adopted that mentality because if you lose that you
don't have a country. It's what Donald Trump said on
the campaign trail. If you don't have that, you don't
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have a country. He was right.
Speaker 7 (23:55):
What's interesting here a couple of think. First of all,
the guns shot themselves in the foot with these times,
I still have from John on drastic a five for
fighting using that. Also, listen, there's two things going on.
One they're making it political, which I think is a mistake.
But two, more specifically, what James Gunn said is screw
you or screw them about those who disagree, and what
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Seawn Gunn said, you're not American. So it's it's one
thing to state a political philosophy, and we could agree
or disagree with all adults here, but then to go
to the extra level and say screw you or you're
un American. It gets nasty. And they just don't realize
they're in the marketing business. When they're on the red carpet,
they're talking about the movie that's I want to mention
that because it listen't they're Americans.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
They can say what they want. It's free speech.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
I get it, but it's practically dumb and it's indescribably stupid.
When they insult people insult. They don't just say I
think this movie is about X. Good God bless them.
They can say what they want. Then they say, oh,
you don't like to screw you.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Sewn Gunn, brother of Superman director James Gunn our first
nominee for our Friday Fool of the Week, our next one.
I know, low Hanging Fruit. It's the view. But this
panelist in particular had several submissions for consideration that Kelly
sent me and I narrowed it down to this one.
See if you can pick up on why it's Anna Navarro.
Speaker 12 (25:12):
This is about making America white again and other rising
everybody who is an immigrant be goes.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Just think about this.
Speaker 12 (25:21):
At the same time that they are rounding up Latino immigrants,
brown immigrants, they are opening up the doors for white
South Africaners going from a non exsistent genocide and so no,
this is about I think, one, deporting people in two
scaring people out of this country. That is why he said,
you know, he has sent people to a gulag and
(25:44):
Al Salvador disappeared them a gulag where people only leave
if they're dead. That is why he's using military personnel.
In in La, to go into parks where children are playing,
to terrorize that Christian.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
If one enters my abode, my residents uninvited, unwanted. I
want to scare them into leaving. They're not welcome there,
and I don't want to enable that behavior. So Anna
Navarro is saying that these deportations are about making America white again.
There's somebody lies in that uncle. I didn't even know
(26:18):
where it.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
Start to debunk them, I will say, you know, that's
like rhetoric from twenty seventeen. Trump's a rasist, blah blah blah.
You know, all we've seen since them is his ability
to expand the voter base to more people of color.
The Latino support for him has been off the charts
in recent months. And the fact that you just look
at his cabinet, it's people of color, it's women, it's
(26:39):
all the people that he allegedly.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Hates so much.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
He can't stand them, and he wants to chase them away. Right,
All he does is hire them, and all he does
is befriend them, and all he does is have them
on stage of them, and only does is shake their
hands and spread the love. It's just it's twenty seventeen,
stop it and just stop it.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
What strikes me too, Deborah, is, like Christian has said,
many people who are in this country who are of
varying shades of whatever color, that are legal immigrants are
voting for Donald Trump in numbers like we haven't seen before.
And people of color, I hate that term, but whatever,
highest numbers since Richard Nixon in nineteen sixty. Why if
he's such a bad guy.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
Because they came here because they like America. By the way,
getting back to the original, you know, it is interesting
because when you see these protests that happen, you know,
for let's say, the illegal immigrants, what areas are they
actually devastating. They're devastating the very areas that many of
these people that have come from other countries or minorities
or as she would say, brown Americans are living in.
(27:36):
They're destroying their their places of businesses, their homes, all
of that. But by the way, I do think Anna
Navara is not actually woke enough because if she's referring
to South American, she should excuse me from South Africa.
She should call them African Americans because they really.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Are regardless of skin color.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
Literally, it's so it's just a I'm so tired of
the lack of any journalistic integrity. You say, people the
gulags where they send them in El Savador to never
be heard from again. They literally now feel like they
can say absolutely anything without any shred of evidence.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Then again, it's the view.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
And how about seven eight to nine year olds being
discovered working at an illegal marijuana plant on ice bus,
then that's okay.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
Well, and by the way, if you really care about
those children that we are brought in and by the way,
they were completely let go under the Biden administration down
at the border because they didn't want pictures of children
being held. I know people right now that are working
desperately to find tens of thousands, if not hundreds of
thousands of children who were released into probably some kind
(28:41):
of trafficking. If you really care about those children, then
where were you during the Biden administration?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Sean gunn Anna Navarro, and our third nominee is the
chair of the DNC. This seems like a layup. This
seems really simple. It's a slam dunk, whatever basketball terminology
you want to use. And Ken Martin gets a little square.
She when asked whether or not zoron Mumdannie refusing to
condemn the term globalized the into fada is a problem,
It's not.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
What about concerns from some of your Jewish colleagues, in
particular about him not outright condemning the phrase globalized the
into fada in a recent interview, some of your Jewish
colleagues have said that could be very disturbing, potentially dangerous.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 11 (29:22):
You know, there's no candidate in this party that I
agree one hundred percent of the time with. To be
honest with you, there's things that I don't agree with
mom Donnie that he said. But at the end of
the day, I always believe as a Democratic Party chair
in Minnesota for the last fourteen years and now the
chair of the DNC, that you win through addition. You
win by bringing people into your coalition. We have conservative Democrats,
(29:44):
we have centrist Democrats, we have labor progressives like me,
and we have this new brand of Democrat which is
the leftist and we win by bringing people into that coalition.
And at the end of the day, for me, that's
the type of party we're going to lead. We are
a big ten par party. Yes, it leads to dissent
and debates, and there's differences of opinions on a whole
host of issues.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
But we should.
Speaker 11 (30:06):
Celebrate that as a party and recognize at the end
of the day, we're better because of it.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Better.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
It's a big tent party, Christian they welcome in the
anti semi to want to eradicate Israel from the map.
Got to have them in the Democratic Party. It's just amazing.
How do you even go there?
Speaker 7 (30:21):
My gosh, we're talking full of the month, maybe full
of the year's situation.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, big tent. Listen.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
I love to term big ten and I think the
Republicans had done a great job with that big ten philosophy.
But when you accept the preaching anti semits into your tent,
that seems like an issue. It might make the other
people a little uncomfortable, and maybe it's morally a bit wobbly.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Well, absolutely, and I think it's iran and actually a
little troubling that the head of the DNC is now
co opting Reagan's big tent, because the whole point of
that is it's a big tent if your tent polls
are firmly in the Constitution, which means you can't have
in that tent a group of people that want to
kill the other group of people. You can't have people
who believe in the Intifada in the same place that
(31:04):
say that, you know, Israel is a great Satan and
so is American and they should be wiped out the
face of the earth sitting next to Jewish people. I mean,
a big tent does not look like that. You have
to to come into the tent agree that everybody has
a right to exist and live with the same freedoms
as the other person.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
It's you know, it's moronic.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Ken Martin, just welcoming everybody into it.
Speaker 7 (31:26):
And by the way, I do appreciate that that was
a tough question that the journalist asked direct and doesn't
you know what, and the answer was instructed. That's exactly
how a journalistic exchange should be. And in a very
similar way, I checked her. This next one is a
plot twist because yes, for the first time, President Trump
is a nominee ooh cool of the week, Here we
(31:48):
go your.
Speaker 13 (31:49):
Memo and released yesterday, and jeffreystee put in less lingering
mysteries of One of the biggest ones is whether he
ever worked for a American or Foreign Intelligence Agency.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
The former leader secretary who is Miami.
Speaker 13 (32:03):
He was attorney Alex alligiedly said that he did for
intelligence agency.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
So could you resolve whether.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Or not you did?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And also can you see why there was a minute
missing from the gel House seat on an Yeah?
Speaker 14 (32:16):
Sure, but I just sent her up a little lot
of it. Are you still talking about Jeffrey at Epstein?
This guy's been talked about for years. You're asking we
have Texas, we have this, we have all of the
things which and are people still talking about this guy
that's created.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
That is unbelievable? Do you want to waste the time
and then you can feel like answered.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I don't mind answering.
Speaker 15 (32:41):
I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on
at Epstein at a time like this where we're having
some of the greatest success and also tragedy with what
happened in Texas.
Speaker 14 (32:51):
It just seems like a desecration.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
But you go ahead. Debra's a lot of character, no
topic off limits usually for Donald Trump, and he tries
to punt this one. Odd Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:01):
I think here's what's most disturbing to me about this
is because, first of all, the reason why people are
talking about Jeffrey Epstein is because the promise of this
new administration was that justice would be done. Things that
were swept under the carpet, that were never looked into
would come to light. It doesn't matter if someone who's
as much of a quote unquote creep as the President said,
(33:23):
whether it was a few years ago, what he did
was horrendous, and there was a promise that at last.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Justice would be done.
Speaker 8 (33:31):
The worst part about this, too, is because Pam Bondy
and the administration in this case was either completely wrong
when she said the list was on her desk or
it is being covered up. Either way, the concern is this,
the public confidence that justice will be done, that there
isn't a two tier justice for the rich and the
(33:53):
wealthy versus everyone else has been eroded once again, and
that's that's disturbing.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
And now Axios report Christian that there is such a
fissure between Dan Bongino, Deputy Director of the FBI, and
Attorney General Pam Bondi over this issue whether or not
to release these I gotta believe Dan is pro releasing
more information. Bondi, for whatever reason, is not doing or
not willing to do it, and he says the qording
to this report, he's leaving unless she goes your thoughts.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
Yeah, it's not good in any stretch. I've always liked
and respected Dan Bongino, and when he took this role
and left this empire, this media empire he had, there's
such a massive undertaking and such a sacrifice, so I
have to kind of trust where he goes from here.
It almost seems like this new administration came in they
(34:40):
had good intentions, and piece by piece by piece, they
realize that for whatever reason, I can't figure it out,
nor can anyone else.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Apparently there's something in here we can't share.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
As all the promises they made, all the rhetoric they shared,
but they should have been very careful in every step
of the way. And that initial giving the influences those
binders was just an absolute clown show. I don't mean
to insult. The Washington Post op ed about clowns and trust.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Something for another day. Just google that and giggle all
the way through the weekend. Oh, President Trump putting himself
into the mix there along with Sean Gunn, Anna Navarro
and Ken Martin the DNC chair not good company for
DJT We'll let Deborah Flora and Christian Toto steal it
during the break and we come back. We'll get their
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Speaker 7 (36:57):
You've got to get all this fifties cornball got your head.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
It's a whole new ballgame on campus these days. And
they call it PC PC politically correct.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
And it's not just politics, it's everything.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
It's what you eat, it's what you wear, and it's
what you say.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
If you don't watch yourself, you can get in a
buttload of trouble.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
For instance, right, here's girls. Yeah, now you don't those
are women? Call them girls? No popu figs. Save the whales.
Heays in the military. Now they freed him already.
Speaker 13 (37:32):
Those women, right, those are women, Tom, But those are women.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Those are women, Tom, Those are women. As that's for
nineteen ninety four PCU. Jeremy Piven is James Drowse Andrews
and the aspiring young freshman Tom Lawrence played by Chris Young.
I see you reference this movie a lot, Christian, so
I wanted to give it to the people there. But
it seems apropos right now because you look back at
even the summers of the two thousands and the raunchy romp,
(38:00):
the R rated comedies, old school wedding crashers, et cetera,
tropic thunder being another one, and we've gotten away from that.
We need a white boy summer. That's what that guy earlier.
Yeah right.
Speaker 7 (38:10):
I don't know I'm going to go that far, but
I will say that movie was ahead of its time.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
It did not do well.
Speaker 7 (38:14):
It was, I guess more or less a flop, but
it really did predict the cultural shifts, the winds that
were blowing. And by the way, from my book Virtue Bombs,
one of the things that someone on social media sent
to me years ago, and I put it in the
book was Ciskel and Ebert, the Great Ciskel and Ebert.
We're talking about political correctness when it comes to writing
film reviews. And they were so aghast at the concept,
(38:36):
at what it did, at what it would force people
to do, and it was like a time capsule that gosh,
wish we had that time back, because I listen, I
am a film critic.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
I follow my friends in this arena, and a lot
of them are woke, and a lot of them will.
Speaker 7 (38:48):
Judge movies harshly if they don't have enough diversity, if
they don't have this, they don't have that, they have
their own messaging.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
It's fascinating. Quickly, your vote for Fool the Week?
Speaker 7 (38:56):
I like the edge Trump in there because he deserved it. Sadly,
I hate to say that on a Navarro just packing
in the misdirection alies and forgever.
Speaker 8 (39:04):
Yes, it has to be Ken Martin from the DNC,
because you cannot have a big tent where people are
going to try to kill someone else in the big tent.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
That does not work. Probably quickly, who's your vote, Anna Navarro?
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Okay, well then we can't too that the third one.
We'll do that when we come back. Stephen L Miller
straight Ahead,
The world's changing, Clark, and the questions are getting louder.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Is the Superman threat?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Superman requires immediate action.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
First thought it.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
About seven feet tall, but it has been growing.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
People were going to die.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
My father once told me, it's not about what you
can do, Clark, it's about what.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You choose to do.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
That's why I choose to protect this world.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Are you ready? Oh yeah, everyone has a weakness Superman.
All we have to do is find it.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
You got a cold man.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Look what.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Luther is going to hurt people. I have to stop him.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Superman is actually a refugee an immigrants.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
They're trying to to equate those things.
Speaker 6 (01:14):
Together, which I think is ridiculous because of the current
politicization of that situation. James Gunn is not the kind
of guy who's going to put an American flag in
his front yard during Fourth of July, and that's the
kind of guy you need to be to create Superman.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I did not like this movie at all. Every man
in this movie is weak, and he cries Chris, there
is one silver lining here which I think you touched.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
On dresses, short skirts, high heels, cleavage.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Thank you James Gunn for that.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
Hollywood's has been trying to remove masculinity for it seems
like the last decade. Once again, it needs to be
white Boy Summer to bring people back to the box office.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
The trailer followed by you heard Dean Kane, who of
course famously portrayed Superman himself, along with Pierce Morgan in
a panel of others talking about Superman. It has caused
quite a ruckus on the American pop culture landscape because
of comments by director James Gunn joining me in studio
for their opinions. Debra Flor, Award winning filmmaker and host
(02:12):
of the Hollywood and Toto podcast and hub of Hollywoodtoto
dot Com. Christian Toto. Christian, you've written about the film.
You've seen the film, right, Okay, so let's start with
you and get your thoughts on what you just heard
and what you just saw with.
Speaker 7 (02:26):
The movie introducing Not So Superman. It's very, very, very weak.
Oh no, listen, I always put the politics and the
banter aside. When I go into a movie theater. I want,
I really want everything to be good. That's that's kind
of why I became a film critic. So the film
itself is very weak, it's dis jointed. It's amateurcia times, clumsy,
weak storytelling devices, cringeworthy subplots.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
On the plus side, David.
Speaker 7 (02:50):
Korn's with the New Superman looks the part, acts the part,
He's got the gravitas, well done. I think Nicholas Holt
does the best he can as Lex Luthor, but the
role is so poorly written. Again, and even Rachel brought
the hand. Is Lois Lane, fine good actress. I thought
there was decent chemistry between her and Superman, but they
introduce their relationships and they go, oh, we don't need anymore,
let's just put aside. We'll punt it to the end
of the story. So lots and lots of flaws.
Speaker 8 (03:13):
Well, absolutely, And I have to say I have not
seen it yet, but our son has, and he's kind
of the demographic for this.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
And one of the things that he pointed.
Speaker 8 (03:21):
Out that I've had I've definitely heard about the film
is James Gunn, obviously well known for Guardians at the Galaxy.
He said it is more like Guardians of the Galaxy
than it is like a Superman movie, but not as
clever or original. In other words, just kind of gets
very silly. In the bottom line of it all, and
I don't think it is as politicized as many people say.
But one thing I do have to take a little
(03:43):
bit of you know, tac with here, is that in
twenty twenty one DC, the comic books themselves change Superman's
slogan from truth Justice in the American Way to Truth
Justice and a Better Tomorrow. The branding for this movie
is Truth, Justice and the Human Way. And I think
you know, if you're going to tell this story, it
(04:04):
is uniquely American.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
It's like taking.
Speaker 8 (04:06):
Captain America and making him somehow kind of a morphous
general human whatever. But when you say and the Human Way,
I think it shows how lost the focus of this
movie is from the start, because if you're saying the
human way the history of humankind prior to the United
States of America's monarchs and slavery, there is something unique
about saying the American way. And when you shy away
(04:29):
from that, and when James gun goes out of his
way to say this is a movie about an immigrant.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Granted, yeah it could be, but why say that.
Speaker 8 (04:37):
I mean, the realities can cause let me just not
do the job of making a movie without automatically trying
to say something about they'll make them more popular in
the inside of Hollywood at the party on Friday night
than trying to attract half of America that perhaps you
just turned off by this.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I hear the Human Way and I think of George
Costanz and Seinfeld the Human Fund. Your name just sounds
fraudulent and phony. But you brought out the point, so
we'll go right to that sound bite. Here's Dean Kin
following up. He did an interview with Alec Lace about
this very issue that the subject matter, the slogan airing
behind it, and the backing away of stars from not
(05:18):
just Superman, but also as we witnessed over the last
year or so, Captain America, Captain America.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
We have Superman to say, they take out the true
justice in the American way.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
We have a Captain America who says, hey, he's really
not all about America, and you're like, what are we
doing here?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
These are iconic figures that are great for the country
and they're taking them away.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
I listen on my ex bio it says truth, justice
in the American Way.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Why Warner Brothers let that labs? I'll never know. Now.
Stephen L. Miller, who will be appearing on this program.
He's read Steeves. He is hosted the Versus Media podcast,
and he'll join me to start hour number two. Kind
of picking up on this conversation. But he reposted this
Christian and I thought it was an excellent point made
by somebody who responded to him named John. It says
Superman Cannon does not identify as an alien or immigrant.
(06:03):
He's always fully assimilated and considers himself a citizen of
Earth in a the United States. He has barely any
knowledge of Krypton other than what he was told, but
considers mon Pa Kent. His real parents is adoptive parents.
Where Kansas right, Smallville right?
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Or what?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, that's it. He's a kid from Kansas. Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
I mean this whole conversation should be sort of a
super geeky, you know, debate you're having at twelve midnight
and you've eaten too many hot wings, like.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
That's where That's where this conversation belongs.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
But James Gunn bless his heart, came up with this
several days before his massive movie opens. He opened this
can of worms. I just can't understand it. The theories
I've heard that I could share that I think are interesting.
As one, he knows the movie's not very good, so
he's doing a little bit damage control to he knows
the movie's not very good and he wants to get
in the good.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Graces of his fellow liberals once more.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Or even he's going to get more protection from the
media now because the media is seeing this as a
Superman versus Maga situation, so the framing from the media
will be more kind.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Those are just the or he's just done.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
And then listen, if you make a movie that hinges
on an entire universe of films and you get political
at the eleventh hour, that is the definition of stupid.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Sorry, it just is just is well come back to that.
I spoke with filmmaker Greg Rabiedo earlier this week, and
he had an interesting take on kind of the metaphorical
sense of what he picked up on with the film.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
So I was interested in both the reboot, which really
goes back to the origin of Superman, but then places
them essentially in today element, today's society, today's issues, and
frames it much more, I mean, thinly veiled, let's face it,
essentially of a he's an immigrant, he's misunderstood, he's just
(07:53):
trying to slip out his dreams and protect the vulnerable,
and Luther aka Trump is evil and must be stopped.
And when I heard the we're all going to die
in the trailer, actually, I immediately thought of Chuck Schumer, who
seems to be pressing that button, you know, every other
day with everything, that we're all going to die if
(08:14):
the one big beautiful bill is pass We're all going
to die.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Now. You brought this point up, Debra, and that is
when I watched the original Superman. At least as we
know as kids in the late seventies, Christopher even the
starring role, and then other actors portrayed younger versions of
Clark Kent at that time. He appears in Kansas, He's
raised by this family, he goes to high school, he's
you know, kind of hiding his super powers. And that's
(08:37):
what really is his fear of either fitting in or
not fitting And it's not that he's an immigrant or
he's an illegal alien. It's that he's a totally different
kind of life form and if that's exposed, well, that's
going to make him a target.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
Well, I also think both in the original one that
you were to us talking about, but also the Man
of Steel one. I actually thought they did something very interesting.
He's growing up in Kansas. He doesn't see his difference
with his fellow's students as anything about his origin.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
It's the fact that he's a sensory difference.
Speaker 8 (09:06):
I mean, he's got superhering, he's got supervision, he's he's
got super strength, and that kind of disconnect, and that
is much more interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It really is.
Speaker 8 (09:15):
What is different about him is not how he identifies
or his values, which was written as the American values,
was his self reliance. It is helping one another. It
is kindness that I do appreciate least gun pointed to.
But it is much more interesting to examine this individual
growing up in America, in Kansas, identifying with his parents.
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But what is different about him his abilities? How does
he control how different he is? And in the movie
with Man of Steel, it creates a super bond with
his mom, who he just sees as his mom because
she's the one that helps him through, helps him deal
with what I actually thought was more interesting having a
daughter who's autistic. What if someone is sensorly different, how
do they handle that as a youngster? And then what
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is the right time to let people know you're different.
And there was that moment in Man of Steel where
Kevin Costner says, it's not time to show everybody who
you are.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I wish he had and died saving the dog.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
I'm tired of that.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I love dogs, but that was silly, but he just.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
It was more about when do you come out and
show you're different, and how do you deal with what
really makes him unique, which is that he's from another planet.
That's it not identifying as a different culture.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And the timing of when these characters were created, way
back when yesteryear Christian and what American society and our
culture was like back then, whether it was Batman or
Captain America or Superman, there was this ethos of American pride,
of us coming together and fighting the Nazis and the
Japanese and World War Two. There was the sense of
rallying around the flag. As to why there was a
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Captain America, as to why Superman fought for the American way.
How did we degrade from that to where we are
right now.
Speaker 7 (10:50):
Well, part of it, you could say, well, Hollywood wants
to appease the foreign market, so oft this movie is
in China, this movie's different countries. We need those dollars too,
But you know, I have to double check the numbers.
But I think Top Gun Maverick was a pretty all
American movie. I know it was a huge hit here.
I have to double check on the where there was
controversy about the patch on.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, but and that was sort of settled quickly too.
I think that.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
But but generally speaking, I don't think at a foreign audience,
pain wherever they're from, are going to look at this
film and say, well, he's an American base, I'm not
going to watch it. Or maybe if the character at
one point says truth justice in America way, they're not
going to storm out of the theater. I think people
are kind of more mature than that. So I think
that kind of pandering just doesn't make any sense. It
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is very reflective of the philosophy of the filmmakers. James
Gunn is on the far left, so I'm not surprised
by that. But you know, that's it's another opportunity lost.
I mean, they could have reclaimed that thing, you know,
made some new friends and and kind of been a
nice way to.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Kind of have it more exclusive.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
I mean, is there a liberal person who's going to
hear that phrase and think, oh my gosh, I'm not
going to see this movie.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I don't think so. I could be wrong, but I
don't think so. From the filmmaker perspective, which Deborah has
and your husband Jonathan as well. Working for Disney, as
we've discussed many times, I asked filmmaker Greg Robbido about
why a director might feel so bold to do as
what James Gunn did, which says, no, this is woke,
and it's about being an illegal alien. It's pro immigrant,
it's anti Trump, it's all of that, and why he
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would be so bold is to alien night half his audience.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
It's interesting, isn't it. Years ago, there's no way a
director or actor would come out and boldly essentially, I
think you hit it perfectly in your intro, essentially, come
out and alien ate half the audience and still say
that's okay. I don't care because the core audience maybe
we made it for I'm trying to own.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
It's almost like a.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Politician talking to his or her base. They have no
interest in compromising or getting the other side, I guess
to feel good about them or maybe even get their vote.
They just want to get as many of their own
baths out to vote. I almost feel that way. We're
getting that way with movies with some of these directors
who alien ate half. But I guess it works for
them as long as their core base comes out in
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the numbers they need them to come out.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
And Deborah, why do that? It's just not smart business.
Isn't the whole point of a summer blockbuster to bring
all of an audience together and try to maximize its appeal.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
Absolutely, And we were talking Christian I before the show started.
The burden on a movie like this to make money.
I mean, by the end of the day, it's probably
at least three hundred million dollars, and then you add
even more on top of it. It has to make
seven hundred million dollars to see any sort of profit.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
So it's it's really crazy.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
But it shows first of all, the insular nature of Hollywood.
People are so in a silo there that they do
think a little bit more about how their buddies are
going to look at them. Did they get you know,
virtue signing, bonus points, all of that sort of thing.
But you know, the other thing that really gets me
is and I think this is this is what I'm
so tired of. I just have to say, we have
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a lot to be so proud of as Americans. Americans,
I mean, when you think about World War Two going in, Yeah,
we were a little late getting in, but we stopped
one of the worst, just horrific periods of history. We
have people that prosper because of the nature of what
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America represents. Know that people aren't better than other human beings,
but I think it's time for a little bit of pride.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I think it's interesting.
Speaker 8 (14:18):
One of my favorite lines out of the earlier Captain
America in Marvel movies, when they didn't get this woke.
I'll never forget when he woke up from his sleep,
he puts on his stars and stripes and he says
to Phil Coulson, you know, aren't the stars and stripes
a little old fashioned? And fill agent Coulson says to him, Well,
with what's going on, I think we can use a
little old fashion, And they pressed into that with Captain America.
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They made fun of the fact that he didn't swear,
but he ended up being the leader at the end
because he represented the best of America. Other cultures get celebrated,
and I think leftist Hollywood likes to mean America and
create this moral equivalency between cultures and that is not
historically accurate.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Debrah Floor, who you just heard, word winning filmmaker in
her own right, and Christian Tooto Hollywood and Toto dot
com also alongside this one really got to me. And
it's something that you sent me, Christian. And there's also
addendum that I am, but I don't know who the
reporter was for a variety, but it's this notion of
kind of getting off on tweaking Trump supporters, Maga, the
far right. You know, it's kind of cheap heat they
(15:22):
call it in the pro wrestling world. Here's Sean Gunn,
the brother ne'er dowell brother. I think, who is this
guy of James Gunn talking about Maga being tweaked by this.
Speaker 9 (15:34):
Your boss, your brother talked about Superman being an immigrant,
and now Maga has already upset that he's called.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Superman an immigrant. I wanted to get your reaction, you know.
Speaker 10 (15:48):
My reaction to that is that it is exactly what
the movie is about. I think that, like, we support
our people, you know, we love our immigrants, We love
yes Superman is an immigrant, and yes, the people that
we support in this country are immigrants. And if you
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don't like that, then you're not American. People who say
no to immigrants are against the American way, They're against
what the American dream.
Speaker 11 (16:21):
Is all about.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Truth, justice, and the American absolutely never mind the fact
that they continue to conflate legal immigrants with illegal aliens.
But Christian, you brought that to my attention your thoughts,
I just don't believe it.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
Maybe shouldn't drink before the red carpet, I think that's
part from That's what I was thinking. And he's literally
sabotaging his brother's project. That reporter, dripping with sarrocasm, met
by Shawn gun dripping with even more sorcasm. The conflation
there is just so maddening, and they can't defend themselves.
That's why they conflate. They can't have a league, they
can't have a coaching conversation about immigration right now, so
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they do that. The film is not about immigration illegal otherwise,
it's about a super hero. It's just absurd. The reporter
was clearly baiting Sehn Gunns. He took the bait and
ran with it. Nathan Fillian, who's also in the movie,
is charming in the film. He just said, hey, it's
a movie, Like he just brushed off, like that's what
you should do. Hey, we're having fun here.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
It's a movie.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
That's how you promote a movie. The people here are
not in their homes with their wives and children because
of X, Y or Z. They're promoting a movie and
they can't help but alienate people.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
It's fascinating to make. Christian brought up Nathan Phillion, Deborah,
I'll have your respond to this clip. I happen to
grab it. Same reporter from Variety.
Speaker 9 (17:33):
James has said that Superman is an immigrant story, that
it is political. Maga today was getting a little upset
that he called.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Superman an immigrant. I wanted to get your reaction. Somebody
needs a hug. It's just a movie, guys, movie, it
was just a movie. Gon injected this into the conversation.
We didn't do it. We're reacting to it. Nathan Fillian
portrays a guy Gardner in the film. Never hear it
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as it's your fault for noticing.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Oh goodness, Gracie. Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
I don't actually care James Gunn's politics, but I do
care that it is pushed upon us. I think what
stands out to me about Sean Gunn's comment is we
love our people, And what he's basically saying is he
has he considers our people, though people who are making
this and with this to be illegal aliens, more than
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your fellow citizens who just want to go and see
a good story that actually celebrates some of the good
aspects of America. And by the way, it's a comic book.
Can we just go back to having something that is
not politicized. This is the other thing you know that
Christian said is it's dumbfounding. We used to be able
to come together as Americans at sporting events.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
They were not politicized.
Speaker 8 (18:51):
You'd have a Democrat, say nature Republican rooting for the
home team. You could go to movies that brought us
together because they're out the human experience, not the human way,
but the human experience, and you brought people together the
point to basically say, these are our people, the illegal immigrants,
but not the rest of America, over half who voted
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for the current president.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
It's just it's so frustrating. I missed just good movies
that you can just enjoy. You can just watch and enjoy.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
And I would have been rooting James gunn On if
he had done that.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
We wanted to like it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
We wanted to like it for the audience.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Thumbs down, I guess from Christian Toto. All right, now,
that's Superman at the abuse in theaters today when we
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And it's time for our nominees for our Friday Fool
of the Week. One of them is going to sound
like an echo if you were with us before the break.
Drunk on the red carpet is later through life just injecture,
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injecture and speculation. Although I believe it to be accurate
from our own CT. It's Sean gun again. This reminds
me of like, you know, Billy Carter, like the brother
why is he there? Why is he a thing?
Speaker 7 (21:34):
Well, he has a tiny microscopic role in the film, right,
it's a cameo of a camera.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
His game was Sean Jones. Would he have gotten? Said? Okay,
so writing his brother's coattails into the political Leviathan, here's
Sean Gunn on Superman as an immigrant.
Speaker 9 (21:53):
Your boss, your brother talked about Superman being an immigrant,
and now Maga there's already upset that he's called Superman
an immigrant.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I wanted to get Jerry. I want that got to
be Fool of the Week, rinsh.
Speaker 10 (22:06):
You know my reaction to that is that it is
exactly what the movie is about. I think that, like,
we support our people, you know, we love our immigrants.
We love Yes, Superman is an immigrant, and yes the people,
the people that we support in this country are immigrants.
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And if you don't like that, then you're not American.
People who say no to immigrants are against the American way.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
They're against what the American dream is all about. Truth,
justice and the American right. Absolutely, Okay, as the son
of an immigrant. I can tell you that the immigrants
dream is to come to this country, Deborah and become. Oh,
I don't know, an American citizen.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
It's why they come here in the first place.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
I've never met anyone who's come here and come to
America because they think it stinks, you know, because it's
so bad, because you know, I had it better where
I was, or there's twenty five other countries I could
go to. They come here because the things that are
in our founding documents have created the greatest opportunity for prosperity,
for freedom, for flourishing, for living your.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Life the way you would.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
I got to repeat what I said before the break,
Sean guns saying our people, Sean, I guess I'm not
your people because I am for borders and having a nation.
You know, a nation without borders is no nation at all.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
So there, christ I got to go back to this
point about the human way, the human fund, as I said,
you know, we're citizens of the world. No we're not.
That's what Dever just said. We're a nation with borders,
with a language, with culture, as Michael Savage says. And
I've adopted that mentality because if you lose that you
don't have a country. It's what Donald Trump said on
the campaign trail. If you don't have that, you don't
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have a country. He was right.
Speaker 7 (23:55):
What's interesting here a couple of think. First of all,
the guns shot themselves in the foot with these times,
I still have from John on drastic a five for
fighting using that. Also, listen, there's two things going on.
One they're making it political, which I think is a mistake.
But two, more specifically, what James Gunn said is screw
you or screw them about those who disagree, and what
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Seawn Gunn said, you're not American. So it's it's one
thing to state a political philosophy, and we could agree
or disagree with all adults here, but then to go
to the extra level and say screw you or you're
un American. It gets nasty. And they just don't realize
they're in the marketing business. When they're on the red carpet,
they're talking about the movie that's I want to mention
that because it listen't they're Americans.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
They can say what they want. It's free speech.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
I get it, but it's practically dumb and it's indescribably stupid.
When they insult people insult. They don't just say I
think this movie is about X. Good God bless them.
They can say what they want. Then they say, oh,
you don't like to screw you.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Sewn Gunn, brother of Superman director James Gunn our first
nominee for our Friday Fool of the Week, our next one.
I know, low Hanging Fruit. It's the view. But this
panelist in particular had several submissions for consideration that Kelly
sent me and I narrowed it down to this one.
See if you can pick up on why it's Anna Navarro.
Speaker 12 (25:12):
This is about making America white again and other rising
everybody who is an immigrant be goes.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Just think about this.
Speaker 12 (25:21):
At the same time that they are rounding up Latino immigrants,
brown immigrants, they are opening up the doors for white
South Africaners going from a non exsistent genocide and so no,
this is about I think, one, deporting people in two
scaring people out of this country. That is why he said,
you know, he has sent people to a gulag and
(25:44):
Al Salvador disappeared them a gulag where people only leave
if they're dead. That is why he's using military personnel.
In in La, to go into parks where children are playing,
to terrorize that Christian.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
If one enters my abode, my residents uninvited, unwanted. I
want to scare them into leaving. They're not welcome there,
and I don't want to enable that behavior. So Anna
Navarro is saying that these deportations are about making America white again.
There's somebody lies in that uncle. I didn't even know
(26:18):
where it.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
Start to debunk them, I will say, you know, that's
like rhetoric from twenty seventeen. Trump's a rasist, blah blah blah.
You know, all we've seen since them is his ability
to expand the voter base to more people of color.
The Latino support for him has been off the charts
in recent months. And the fact that you just look
at his cabinet, it's people of color, it's women, it's
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all the people that he allegedly.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Hates so much.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
He can't stand them, and he wants to chase them away. Right,
All he does is hire them, and all he does
is befriend them, and all he does is have them
on stage of them, and only does is shake their
hands and spread the love. It's just it's twenty seventeen,
stop it and just stop it.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
What strikes me too, Deborah, is, like Christian has said,
many people who are in this country who are of
varying shades of whatever color, that are legal immigrants are
voting for Donald Trump in numbers like we haven't seen before.
And people of color, I hate that term, but whatever,
highest numbers since Richard Nixon in nineteen sixty. Why if
he's such a bad guy.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
Because they came here because they like America. By the way,
getting back to the original, you know, it is interesting
because when you see these protests that happen, you know,
for let's say, the illegal immigrants, what areas are they
actually devastating. They're devastating the very areas that many of
these people that have come from other countries or minorities
or as she would say, brown Americans are living in.
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They're destroying their their places of businesses, their homes, all
of that. But by the way, I do think Anna
Navara is not actually woke enough because if she's referring
to South American, she should excuse me from South Africa.
She should call them African Americans because they really.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Are regardless of skin color.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
Literally, it's so it's just a I'm so tired of
the lack of any journalistic integrity. You say, people the
gulags where they send them in El Savador to never
be heard from again. They literally now feel like they
can say absolutely anything without any shred of evidence.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Then again, it's the view.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
And how about seven eight to nine year olds being
discovered working at an illegal marijuana plant on ice bus,
then that's okay.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
Well, and by the way, if you really care about
those children that we are brought in and by the way,
they were completely let go under the Biden administration down
at the border because they didn't want pictures of children
being held. I know people right now that are working
desperately to find tens of thousands, if not hundreds of
thousands of children who were released into probably some kind
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of trafficking. If you really care about those children, then
where were you during the Biden administration?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Sean gunn Anna Navarro, and our third nominee is the
chair of the DNC. This seems like a layup. This
seems really simple. It's a slam dunk, whatever basketball terminology
you want to use. And Ken Martin gets a little square.
She when asked whether or not zoron Mumdannie refusing to
condemn the term globalized the into fada is a problem,
It's not.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
What about concerns from some of your Jewish colleagues, in
particular about him not outright condemning the phrase globalized the
into fada in a recent interview, some of your Jewish
colleagues have said that could be very disturbing, potentially dangerous.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 11 (29:22):
You know, there's no candidate in this party that I
agree one hundred percent of the time with. To be
honest with you, there's things that I don't agree with
mom Donnie that he said. But at the end of
the day, I always believe as a Democratic Party chair
in Minnesota for the last fourteen years and now the
chair of the DNC, that you win through addition. You
win by bringing people into your coalition. We have conservative Democrats,
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we have centrist Democrats, we have labor progressives like me,
and we have this new brand of Democrat which is
the leftist and we win by bringing people into that coalition.
And at the end of the day, for me, that's
the type of party we're going to lead. We are
a big ten par party. Yes, it leads to dissent
and debates, and there's differences of opinions on a whole
host of issues.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
But we should.
Speaker 11 (30:06):
Celebrate that as a party and recognize at the end
of the day, we're better because of it.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Better.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
It's a big tent party, Christian they welcome in the
anti semi to want to eradicate Israel from the map.
Got to have them in the Democratic Party. It's just amazing.
How do you even go there?
Speaker 7 (30:21):
My gosh, we're talking full of the month, maybe full
of the year's situation.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, big tent. Listen.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
I love to term big ten and I think the
Republicans had done a great job with that big ten philosophy.
But when you accept the preaching anti semits into your tent,
that seems like an issue. It might make the other
people a little uncomfortable, and maybe it's morally a bit wobbly.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Well, absolutely, and I think it's iran and actually a
little troubling that the head of the DNC is now
co opting Reagan's big tent, because the whole point of
that is it's a big tent if your tent polls
are firmly in the Constitution, which means you can't have
in that tent a group of people that want to
kill the other group of people. You can't have people
who believe in the Intifada in the same place that
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say that, you know, Israel is a great Satan and
so is American and they should be wiped out the
face of the earth sitting next to Jewish people. I mean,
a big tent does not look like that. You have
to to come into the tent agree that everybody has
a right to exist and live with the same freedoms
as the other person.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
It's you know, it's moronic.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Ken Martin, just welcoming everybody into it.
Speaker 7 (31:26):
And by the way, I do appreciate that that was
a tough question that the journalist asked direct and doesn't
you know what, and the answer was instructed. That's exactly
how a journalistic exchange should be. And in a very
similar way, I checked her. This next one is a
plot twist because yes, for the first time, President Trump
is a nominee ooh cool of the week, Here we
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go your.
Speaker 13 (31:49):
Memo and released yesterday, and jeffreystee put in less lingering
mysteries of One of the biggest ones is whether he
ever worked for a American or Foreign Intelligence Agency.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
The former leader secretary who is Miami.
Speaker 13 (32:03):
He was attorney Alex alligiedly said that he did for
intelligence agency.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
So could you resolve whether.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Or not you did?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And also can you see why there was a minute
missing from the gel House seat on an Yeah?
Speaker 14 (32:16):
Sure, but I just sent her up a little lot
of it. Are you still talking about Jeffrey at Epstein?
This guy's been talked about for years. You're asking we
have Texas, we have this, we have all of the
things which and are people still talking about this guy
that's created.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
That is unbelievable? Do you want to waste the time
and then you can feel like answered.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I don't mind answering.
Speaker 15 (32:41):
I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on
at Epstein at a time like this where we're having
some of the greatest success and also tragedy with what
happened in Texas.
Speaker 14 (32:51):
It just seems like a desecration.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
But you go ahead. Debra's a lot of character, no
topic off limits usually for Donald Trump, and he tries
to punt this one. Odd Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:01):
I think here's what's most disturbing to me about this
is because, first of all, the reason why people are
talking about Jeffrey Epstein is because the promise of this
new administration was that justice would be done. Things that
were swept under the carpet, that were never looked into
would come to light. It doesn't matter if someone who's
as much of a quote unquote creep as the President said,
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whether it was a few years ago, what he did
was horrendous, and there was a promise that at last.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Justice would be done.
Speaker 8 (33:31):
The worst part about this, too, is because Pam Bondy
and the administration in this case was either completely wrong
when she said the list was on her desk or
it is being covered up. Either way, the concern is this,
the public confidence that justice will be done, that there
isn't a two tier justice for the rich and the
(33:53):
wealthy versus everyone else has been eroded once again, and
that's that's disturbing.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
And now Axios report Christian that there is such a
fissure between Dan Bongino, Deputy Director of the FBI, and
Attorney General Pam Bondi over this issue whether or not
to release these I gotta believe Dan is pro releasing
more information. Bondi, for whatever reason, is not doing or
not willing to do it, and he says the qording
to this report, he's leaving unless she goes your thoughts.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
Yeah, it's not good in any stretch. I've always liked
and respected Dan Bongino, and when he took this role
and left this empire, this media empire he had, there's
such a massive undertaking and such a sacrifice, so I
have to kind of trust where he goes from here.
It almost seems like this new administration came in they
(34:40):
had good intentions, and piece by piece by piece, they
realize that for whatever reason, I can't figure it out,
nor can anyone else.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Apparently there's something in here we can't share.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
As all the promises they made, all the rhetoric they shared,
but they should have been very careful in every step
of the way. And that initial giving the influences those
binders was just an absolute clown show. I don't mean
to insult. The Washington Post op ed about clowns and trust.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Something for another day. Just google that and giggle all
the way through the weekend. Oh, President Trump putting himself
into the mix there along with Sean Gunn, Anna Navarro
and Ken Martin the DNC chair not good company for
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Speaker 7 (36:57):
You've got to get all this fifties cornball got your head.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
It's a whole new ballgame on campus these days. And
they call it PC PC politically correct.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
And it's not just politics, it's everything.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
It's what you eat, it's what you wear, and it's
what you say.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
If you don't watch yourself, you can get in a
buttload of trouble.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
For instance, right, here's girls. Yeah, now you don't those
are women? Call them girls? No popu figs. Save the whales.
Heays in the military. Now they freed him already.
Speaker 13 (37:32):
Those women, right, those are women, Tom, But those are women.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Those are women, Tom, Those are women. As that's for
nineteen ninety four PCU. Jeremy Piven is James Drowse Andrews
and the aspiring young freshman Tom Lawrence played by Chris Young.
I see you reference this movie a lot, Christian, so
I wanted to give it to the people there. But
it seems apropos right now because you look back at
even the summers of the two thousands and the raunchy romp,
(38:00):
the R rated comedies, old school wedding crashers, et cetera,
tropic thunder being another one, and we've gotten away from that.
We need a white boy summer. That's what that guy earlier.
Yeah right.
Speaker 7 (38:10):
I don't know I'm going to go that far, but
I will say that movie was ahead of its time.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
It did not do well.
Speaker 7 (38:14):
It was, I guess more or less a flop, but
it really did predict the cultural shifts, the winds that
were blowing. And by the way, from my book Virtue Bombs,
one of the things that someone on social media sent
to me years ago, and I put it in the
book was Ciskel and Ebert, the Great Ciskel and Ebert.
We're talking about political correctness when it comes to writing
film reviews. And they were so aghast at the concept,
(38:36):
at what it did, at what it would force people
to do, and it was like a time capsule that gosh,
wish we had that time back, because I listen, I
am a film critic.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
I follow my friends in this arena, and a lot
of them are woke, and a lot of them will.
Speaker 7 (38:48):
Judge movies harshly if they don't have enough diversity, if
they don't have this, they don't have that, they have
their own messaging.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
It's fascinating. Quickly, your vote for Fool the Week?
Speaker 7 (38:56):
I like the edge Trump in there because he deserved it. Sadly,
I hate to say that on a Navarro just packing
in the misdirection alies and forgever.
Speaker 8 (39:04):
Yes, it has to be Ken Martin from the DNC,
because you cannot have a big tent where people are
going to try to kill someone else in the big tent.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
That does not work. Probably quickly, who's your vote, Anna Navarro?
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Okay, well then we can't too that the third one.
We'll do that when we come back. Stephen L Miller
straight Ahead,
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