Ep 19 - Exposing the evil behind a potential abortion amendment in November

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Episode Transcript

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Well, Jack, we know oneof the hottest contested and back and forth.
You know, you call it controversial, but things that are is going
on here in the state of Ohiothat we are going to be presented with.
And if you break this down,we're going to have two elections coming
up. We're going to have anAugust special election to decide whether or not

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to change the constitution to make itso that you have to have sixty percent
in order to amend the constitution that'llbe codified. And then also we know
that there's going there's a strong pushto get quote unquote abortion codified here in
the state of Ohio. And amongstUS conservatives and amongst us people who have

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fight for the unborn, that fightfor life, this is a very important
topic and really, I think thefirst time on Saving Liberty we really deep
dive into the abortion issue as itstands in Ohio. Jack, life liberty,
the pursuit of happiness. Life issomething that we are blessed with and

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unless there are outlier mitigating circumstances,we ought to honor life liberty in the
ability to make choices and have personalagency over our lives and the lives that
we bring into this world is absolutelyAmerican, it's absolutely godly and it should

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absolutely be protected. And Amy Natosiis going to join us tonight. She's
spokeswoman for Protect Women Ohio. Andyou go, well, Jack, where
are you going? That was apretty hard pivot. Well, Protect Women
Ohio is the group pulling back thecurtain on what's in the proposed constitutional amendment

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that mainstream media and abortionists claim simplycodifies abortion. Well, Protect Women Ohio
has shown that groups behind the amendmentare going to rob parents of liberty.
They are going to rob human life, not for outliers, but for some
pretty disgusting stuff. So before weget into that, Amy Natosi, welcome

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to the Saving Liberty Podcast. Thankyou for having me, Jack. I'm
looking forward to discussing this important issuewith you all. Amy. Let's let's
break it down. Let's let's getto the heart of the issue. Explain
to me why the abortion quote unquoterights activists are saying that this they're only

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looking to merely codify abortion in thestate of Ohio for women who absolutely need
it, and that there you know, it is a you know, fundamental
right that they believe, even thoughwe know there is no fundamental right to
it. It doesn't exist in theSupreme Court has ruled such. But what

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is the deceitfulness in the way thatthey are presenting this Because I think for
a lot of women, they justhear, oh, okay, protect healthcare,
da, da, da da.I don't think people amy are really
aware of what's actually underneath this andbehind it. And can you kind of
expose that for us here and tellus how they're being deceitful in the language

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that they're using right now? Yeah? Absolutely, So you mentioned the deceitfulness
they're using in trying to get thisinitiative on the ballot in November and get
it past. And I'll tell youfirst hand, I've experienced this. I
was out shopping the other week andsomebody came up to me with the petition

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collecting signatures for this amendment, andthey were trying to tell me that what
this would do is reinstate Roe v. Wade, which is just an outrageous
argument. This amendment has no bearingon United States Supreme Court decisions. It
cannot overturn dabs and bring back Rowv. Wade, And it is not

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about a woman's right to choose.What this amendment is is an all out
assault on parental rights. It wouldallow your underage daughter to obtain an abortion
without getting your consent or even notifyingyou about it. It goes even further
and would allow your minor to obtaingender reassignment procedures without you knowing about it
or giving your permission, So yourkid can get hormone blockers and sterilization procedures

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and full on gender reassignment surgery withoutyour permission. This amendment not only you
know. They're saying it protects awoman's right to abortion. It goes so
much further than that. It removesall protections for the unborn, and it
will allow for painful, weight termabortions all the way up until the moment
of birth. And it also harmswomen. It removes the common sense health

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and safety protections we currently have inplace for women who do choose to have
an abortion, Ohio. So it'sputting women's lives at risk, it's putting
me on born at risk, andit's completely eviscerating your rights as a parent.
When you try to change the constitution, it is incumbent upon a free
press to be there and to bebrokers of truth for people who are otherwise

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working earning a living, especially nowwith inflation where it is, and trying
to get caught up, get theirkids caught up on education that they may
have missed out on because of badgovernment policy over the past three years.
But I'm not going to digress there. But it's incumbent upon the press to
be brokers of truth. And I'mnot an attorney amy, but I've read

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the proposed amendment. A couple ofthings stand out to me. One is
they don't use they the creators ofthe proposed amendment don't use the word woman.
They use the word person. Andthey talk about abortion. Essentially they
put rails around it. But thenthey open this huge door by talking about

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abortion to protect not only a person'slife but their health. Let's jump off
on that one, the life,but then also including this term health.
And I want you to address whatthe State House News Bureau refuses to address
when they say, well, there'snothing in this proposed amendment that would allow

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a woman to have abortion and abortionup to the ninth month for any reason.
Yeah, So a couple of thingsyou hit on their jack. You
know, the ACLU, the AmericanCivil Liberties Union, which we know was
one of the most extremist, dangerousorganizations in the country wrote this amendment language,
and they're bankrolling it and coming intoOhio with unlimited funds. And so

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the ACLU and the press, we'veheard them say time and time again,
No, this amendment has nothing todo with children, It has nothing to
do with parental content, it hasnothing to do with sex changes. Well,
let's look at what the amendment doessay. It says that this would
protect an individual's reproductive decisions. Theword woman is nowhere in this amendments.

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The word adult is nowhere in thisamendment. There is no mention anywhere in
here of age. We know,an individual is simply a single person.
So your thirteen year old daughter isan individual. Your ten year old son
who might be struggling with gender dysphoriais an individual. And so this really
applies to those miners who might belooking to obtain these life altering decisions,

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and it cuts their parents, thosewho care about the most, out of
their decisions. And to your secondpoint you brought up here, you know,
the amendment appears to set guardrails aroundabortion. It says that it is
up to a abortionist to determine thepoint of viability and that they cannot perform

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an abortion after the unborn reaches apoint of viability. But there's a major
issue here. They don't define whatviability is. So you could have abortionists
deciding that a thirty nine or evenforty week old child is not viable and
that it's acceptable to perform a painfullate term abortion on there. And you
know, Jack, I know we'vehad this conversation about what health means within

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the context of this amendment too.It says that an abortionist can perform a
late term abortion to protect a woman'shealth, but it doesn't define health,
and so we're not just talking physicalhealth here. We are talking about a
woman's mental health, her social health, her financial health. So you could
have an abortionist who says, youknow, having this child will put financial

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strain on you and will strain yoursocial life, and you know, might
cause you some anxiety, which isyour mental health, and so sure,
let's perform an abortion on this healthy, forty week child. So these loopholes
are huge, and we're not talkingabout them enough. So I thank you
for bringing attention to this issue.Can you explain how if this has passed

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on the November ballot. It wouldoverride the the six weeks the heartbeat band
whatever you want bill or whatever youwhatever you want to call it, that
was signed into law by Governor Dawine. I think people are you know,
think, well, this is asettled issue here in the state of Ohio.
This is what the governor declared,the legislature approved it. You know,

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how can they go around that?Can you can you explain the actual
mechanics for people of you know howthis November ballot issue would completely destroy and
dismantle everything that we fought to getput into place and that you know to
begin with. Absolutely, So thisamendment would completely tie the hands of our

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legislators and our governor and even youknow, our attorney general who's responsible for
enforcing these protections on the unborn.It would completely handicap them and they would
be unable to protect women and theunborn going forward. So constitutional amendments trump
laws that are already on the books. They also stop the legislators from being

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able to pass future protections. Andwe know this because one of the attorneys
who actually wrote this amendment, anACLU attorney, was quoted in the press
as saying that if this passes,this amendment would and should trump current laws
on the books and the ability topass future legislation regarding abortion and protections for

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the unborn. And so this istaking the ability away from lawmakers to do
their jobs. And as we know, you know, the Constitution is our
founding document, that's our framework forhow we govern. That's not a place
where we set policy. So itis so wrong that we are taking one
of the biggest policy issues of ourtime and taking it out of the hands

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of our elective legislators who are responsiveto their constituents, and we're saying you
don't have a say in this now. We're not going to have committee hearings
on this, We're not going tohave expert testimony, Your constituents aren't going
to have a say anymore. No, no, no, this is just
in the Constitution permanently now going forward. And so this is an incredibly dangerous

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game we're playing when we're taking policyout of the hands of our elected body
and putting it in the Constitution whereit will live forever. Essentially, it
subverts the will of the people inthe sense of if we have an election
and someone overwhelmingly wins you know,the governorship or you know, the majority

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of Ohiolands say we're going to havea concern povative you know, both houses
of the legislature. I mean,it's really not basically it does. Essentially,
it is undermining that and saying itdoes, it no longer matters.
So it doesn't matter what you want, doesn't matter what the vast majority you

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know, or the majority of thepeople in the state of Ohio want,
because we got this into the constitution, good luck and it's sorry, nothing
you can do about it. Imean that that is in and of itself
a slap in the face of howour republic was founded. Absolutely, and
you know that's why it's so importantthat we have this August election that you

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mentioned earlier, which would up thethreshold for passing constitutional amendments in Ohio.
And what we are seeing here is, you know, this group of Ohioans
coming together to protect our constitution,urging a yes vote on Issue one to
keep outside interests out of our foundingdocument. You know, and this directly

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ties into this abortion amendment, thisanti parent amendment that we'll be voting on
this November. Because if we stickwith what we have right now, this
fifty percent threshold that just invites outof state special interests into our state to
spend limited funds to buy their wayinto our constitution and to go around our

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constituents, the Ohioans. And sowe you know, we're seeing that right
now. The ACLU was coming inhere and they're trying to buy their way
into our constitution, and they're tryingto attack parental rights and remove all protections
for the unborn and put women's healthat risk by doing so. And so
that's why it's so critical that wehave this yes vote on Issue one in

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August and vote down this ballant initiativecome November. I had a chance to
talk with Secretary of State frankle Rosetoday on the Windsor report, and I
said to him, the fact thatthe press refuses to cover things fairly is
further evidence of the need to havesweeping, broad consensus to change the constitution
to avoid what you just said,groups pulling a money truck up to the

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state House and partnering with a marketingfirm to craft a message, knowing,
knowing darn well that media will coverfor them, and what's going to happen
is we're going to look back ifwe don't change this threshold in August to
sixty percent, we put at riskthis November radical Amendment passing. We're going

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to look back five years from nowand we're going to go what in haities
did we do? And I'm gonnatell you why, And just please,
you know, bear with me fora minute. I want to read.
I want to read the amendment.Part of it. It states every individual
has a right to make and carryout one's own reproductive decisions, including but

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not limited to. By the way, I'm not a lawyer, but including
but not limited to means that therewill be other things included in this.
And then it lists contraception and fertilitytreatment, pregnancy, continuing one's pregnancy,
miscarriage, and abortion. Let mejust let me just put this out there
if and I know for a factthat precedent already is that a child at

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twelve years old must give mom andor dad approval for the parents to see
their medical records. And I've readthe legal advice that attorneys are giving school
districts when they're saying, look,you can keep stuff from parents if you
think so all of that to saythis, there will be a time.
If this amendment passes, where littleJohnny at twelve or thirteen years old goes

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to someone and decides that he wantsto take puberty blockers and then maybe later
get his genitalia lopped off, that'sa reproductive decision. You can't tell me
that it's not a reproductive decision.And if this amendment passes, that will
be something that ends up in thecourts, because it's going to be something

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that happens. And it goes toyour point, Amy about why it's so
important to move that threshold from fiftyto sixty percent because you might you might
full fifty one percent of the people. I don't think you're going to full
sixty percent of the people. Howdo you see this through your lens right
now? What are potential voters saying? And do you think first of all,

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that November at fifty percent would pass. Yeah, so, Jack,
what we're hearing on the ground rightnow is you know, we have canvassers
out every day who are talking tovoters on the ground, hearing their concerns
firsthand and talking to them and educatingthem on what this amendment would do.

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And thank you for reading that portionof the amendment, because that is so
important, and that's what oftentimes isbeing overlooked is you know, this amendment
is being billed as a protection forabortion, but if you read it,
you're right. It's a catch allfor all reproductive decisions. So any procedure,
any sort of medication you take thattouches your reproductive organs and your ability

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to reproduce is protected under this amendment. So anything changing your gender, any
sort of sex change, any force, sterilization, any hormone blockers, all
that affects your reproduction. So absolutelysex changes would be covered in this amendment.
And so when our canvassers are outtalking to voters and educating them on

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that language, voters have been utterlyshocked. And I'll tell you, even
self proclaimed pro choice voters, whenthey learn what this amendment will do,
they say, there's no way they'revoting for this amendment. Come November,
They're voting no on it. Youknow, they realize this goes so far
beyond a woman's right to choose.And when they hear that this allows for

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painful, weight term abortions paid forby taxpayers, by the way, and
when this removes their rights as aparent, when this goes after the health
and safety of women. They're notgoing to stand for it, and they're
going to vote no in November.Amy, I hate to put you on
the spot. I want to pointsomething out out because you said it.
I think it's important you said paidfor by taxpayers. Can you explain that

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to our audience? Yeah? Soanother Really, this amendment is just so
full of dangerous language. Do wehave enough time to go through it?
Another dangerous part of this amendments Itsays it would forbid any law that would
burden or interfere with an individual's reproductivedecision. So burden has been interpreted a

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number of ways across the country indifferent court cases, and one of the
ways it's been interpreted is that thefinancial strain of getting an abortion is a
burden. So, you know,if we're saying you can't pose any burden
to somebody obtaining an abortion or reproductivedecisions, then certainly finances plays into that.

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Right. So now we're opening upthe door for health insurance to have
to call for this procedure and fortaxpayers to have to cover these things.
So, now, if you're opposedto your dollars going towards this you're gonna
lose your saying it. You're you'rehard earned dollars to go towards paying for
something that you object to. Imean, I guess I never thought i'd

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see the day that you we wouldhave to fight this hard to not have
Essentially, not only if you wantit, children cast you know, chemically
cast rating and mutilating themselves, butdoing it without their parents' knowledge or consent,

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and doing it on our our taxpayerdime, doing it on the on
the money we pay taxes for.It's I don't know how, I don't
know why or how far we've fallendown this hole. Uh, this this
this rabbit hole of insanity. Butamy on it from a practical standpoint,
because we always talk about in ourpromo we offer practical applical solutions. So

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for you know, give us thepractical applicable uh solution to how can we
what kind of resources are they're outthere? What can we do just on
our own? I know, Iknow protect or protect women. Ohio is
doing their thing. You guys arecanvassing. But you know someone listening to
this podcast, You know somebody listens, uh, you know, just to

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to to radio and conservative voices withoutthe state, within the state of Ohio,
what what resource, what abilities canwe do? And and is there
maybe um uh, like a misinformationtalking point to say, this is why
you're being lied to, this ishow you're being lied to. Here's what's
really in it. Because I thinkif you educate, like you said,

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the most important thing is even whenpro choice people find out the gory details
of this, they're a gasp.So what can we do just the average
person here in a state of Ohio, how can we help get this message
out? Yeah? Absolutely so.One of the biggest things we need to
do is make sure your friends,your family members, your neighbors are registered

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to vote this November. You know, this is a quote unquote off your
election. We don't have a presidentialrace at the top of the ticket,
we don't have congressional races going onright now, and so it's so easy
for people to sit back and thinkthere's nothing important that's going to be on
the ballot. And it is socritical that we are talking to our neighbors,

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our friends who we know are alignedwith us, who would be totally
opposed to this amendment and the acluse extreme agenda coming into our state and
making sure they are registered to vote. And it's so easy to register to
vote in Ohio. You know,you mentioned you had secretary laws on your
show. So many resources are availablejust on a line you don't even you
know, if you just need tochange for your voter registration address, that's

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not even something you have to doin person. You can just do it
online. So check in with thosearound you, make sure they're registered,
make sure they know this is onthe ballot this November, that this is
not a throwaway election with nothing important. There is so much at stake right
now. If we want to keepOhio conservative and space for the unborn and

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for women, and just make sureyou're educating yourself and those around you.
You know, I'd encourage everybody tovisit protect women Ohio dot com. There
are tons and tons of resources onthere. Again protect Women Ohio dot com.
It outlines what this amendment would do. If people feel so inclined and
have it on their hearts to donate, there's a way to do that online

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because we know that ACLU is goingto be coming at us with everything they
have. There's links to our socialmedia channels, which is the easiest and
most freeway to spread information and influencethose around you, So make sure you're
sharing on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and you know, anytime we have
a ballot initiative education and the mostimportant thing we can do is registering our

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friends and getting them educated on whatthis does. And don't let anybody sit
home on election day in November.I'm curious, Amy, have you have
you taught to anybody pushing this fromthe other side? I mean, have
you have they confronted you and protectwomen Ohio? And And I don't know.
I'm just cure. I want toget into the mind of this because

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it just it violates every natural orderknown to man kind. And I have
they explained why they think, youknow, getting gender quote unquote that this
made up? By the way,I love how they just literally make up
new words gender affirming. Care whathas anyone from the other side articulated to

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you why they include that in allthis? To me, it doesn't make
sense other than the fact that it'sit's literally just an open war for the
hearts and mind of our children.I don't get it. You're right,
and you know, no, theyhaven't explained where they're coming from, because
up until this point, the ACLUis saying that this amendment has nothing to

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do with sex changes and that thisdoesn't do anything to attack parental rights,
which is just amazing because we walkedthrough all this language. I mean,
it is so clear that this takesaway a parents' rights to be involved in
the most important decisions their children willface. It's so clear that this removed

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all protections for the unborn. It'sso clear that this allows for sex changes.
But they've realized that Ohioans won't standfor this, and so now they're
out there saying no, no,this is just about abortion. This is
just about a woman's right. Solet me me share this with you.
This is something that's really interesting wesaw come out of Florida recently. The
ACLU is now peddling a similar ballotinitiative in Florida, and the language is

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almost identical to Ohios except they addedin this line, if you'll bear with
me, they wrote, this amendmentdoes not change the legislature's constitutional authority to
require notification to a parent or guardianbefore a miner has an abortion. So
the ACLU went ahead in Florida andchanged the ballot language to say that parental

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consent and notification will still be protected. And that's because they've realized what a
mistake they made in Ohio. Theyrealized that they reached too far, too
fast, and that Ohioans will notstand for their parental rights being stripped away.
And this is such an issue forthem now because people are waking up

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to what this amendment does. They'rewaking up to how danger it is for
their rights as a children, ortheir rights as parents and their minor children.
And so now the ACLU is tryingto change course in other states.
So just that language difference is sotelling, and it shows us what we've
known all along, which is thatthe amendment they wrote in Ohio will take
away your rights as parents. I'mgoing to make it really simple. It's

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November. It's November, Yes,in August, no, and November.
And if someone says, well,I need to see the receipts, listen
to this whole podcast and go checkout the language that Amy just read.
That is telling the fact that inOhio they are intellectually dishonest enough to deny

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the fact that parents' rights are underattack and will be taken. You don't
think that's true, then why didthey put the language that they did in
Florida. It's November. Yeah,yeah, And Amy, I just want
to ask, is there anything wehaven't hit, anything we haven't covered in
the twenty seven, twenty eight monthshalf hour we've spent together. Is there

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anything else you want to reiterate ortell the Saving Liberty Podcast listeners, because
I think this has been one ofthe most incredibly important and enlightening conversations we've
done on this podcast. And Ijust I can't thank you enough, but
I just give you the final wordhere. Yeah. Absolutely, you know,

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as if we haven't given listeners enoughreason to vote no in November,
the final piece I'll leave you withthat is so important and is I don't
think it's getting enough attention in thisamendment, is that it protect anybody who
assists somebody getting an abortion. Sowhat this means is that people can now

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take your daughter, your underage daughter, to go get an abortion without you
knowing about it, and they're completelysafe in doing so. There's no questions,
asks asked. They'll face no penaltiesfor taking your daughter without your remission.
And this is so dangerous because whatwe could have now is an older

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male of forty year old soccer coachwho's engaged in an inappropriate, illegal relationship
with your daughter could now go takeher to get an abortion without you knowing
about it and cover his tracks.This means that we could see sex traffickers
from other states coming to Ohio becausethey know they can get their victim and
abortion with no questions asked. Sothis is really opening the door to dangerous

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practices that will now bring more predatorsto our state and make the job of
our law enforcement officials more difficult togo after these predators who are targeting our
kids. And so as if thereweren't enough reasons to vote no on this
in November, I mean, youjust just consider that the fact that this
protects anybody who takes your child toget an abortion, and it's just incredible

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what this amendment will do with pastand threat it will pose to our families
and our kids. I call thatkidnapping. You take my child without my
knowledge or consent, I call thatkidnapping. And you know a lot of
us will argue that's what the SecondAmendment is for as well, to protect
give parents the right to protect theirchildren at all costs. But Amy Natosi,

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thank you so much again. Ifyou have anybody has any questions,
you need materials, you want tolearn some more, you can go to
protect Women ohio dot com and checkout their socials. Push their socials out
through your socials to help spread themessage. If we all just do this
a little bit, it can exponentiallymake a difference, because literally, our

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children's future is at stakes. SoAmy, thanks for helping us save liberty
tonight, and we appreciate you.Thank you so much for helping us spread
the message.