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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Thank you for being part of the show.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I meany Ebert our audio disseminators or Shane Carter, and
of course Michael Bartlet, the producer of the program. Let's
get into some of the news of the day, and
that would be that Mike Brown is the new coach.
Former Spurs assistant UH and coached with Sacramento and Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I think was that it or is he playing some
place else too?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Off the top of my head, I can't think where
else did he coach.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
He was an assistant for Golden State for like a decade,
I think, right. But anyway, he's the new coach of
the New York Knicks. UH.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I guess he beat out James Brego for the job
and say Calves, Yeah, col Cleveland and and.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I think there's another one in there, but I can't remember.
I can't remember. I'm pretty sure there's another one in there.
I want to say Bucks, but I know that's not right.
He coached the Legas for two years.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Thank you. There we go, There we go. Yeah. Anyway,
I think this is as good. They're out of options.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
They obviously thought they could coach somebody else's coach.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
That didn't happen. But here's his timeline.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
He started out with the Spurs from two thousand and three,
assistant with Indiana three to five, coach the Cavaliers five
to ten, the Lakers from eleven to twelve, and there
was an associate head coach with Steve Kerr from sixteen
to twenty two, and the Kings for three years from
twenty two to twenty five. So I I am of
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the of the thought process, like a lot of people are,
that it is important for big market teams to have
some success. I don't think it's mandatory. I think the
Lakers have made that clear over the years that when
you beat them and they are good and those wins
are significant a matter, you feel better about the fact
that you beat those teams. It is amazing to me
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that a New York basketball team has not won a
championship in fifty three years. That is our fifty two.
I guess it'll be fifty three if they don't win
it next year. Seventy three. Yeah, so it is It
is amazing that a city, in a basketball crazed city
like New York has not had a champion for that long.
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They had their chances with Ewing in the eighties and nineties.
The Bernard King Nicks in the eighties weren't going to
be ever played a good enough defense to get past
Boston or eventually Chicago and Detroit. So it's just it
has been a very mismanaged organization for a long time,
and it's still very mismanaged. And James Dolan may be
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a great cable vision person and built that company, and
he was very influential in the creation of the Sphere
in Vegas, which I'm sure is making as much money
as it wants to every second of the day.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
But as a basketball.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Executive, he's too much of a fan and not enough
of an owner. And I understand in the last twenty
five thirty years what we've gotten are basketball fans who
are billionaires who become owners.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
It was one of the reasons why the whole.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Family got involved with the Spurs. But I think one
of the things if you go back to the NBA
lockout in ninety eight, I believe, and then again there
was a stoppage what twenty eleven twelve for a little bit.
We didn't lose any games, but we had a eleventh
hour deal getting done. Peter Holt was very involved as
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a part of the executive committee representing the owners on
getting those deals done. So while they were fans of
the game and their fandom is what led them to
spend their money on the Spurs. They were very astute
business people that understood how to run an organization and
how not to run one, and to also understand that
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as much of a fan as they are, they really
don't know anything about basketball talent, who's good and who's not.
I'm going to touch on this a little bit later,
but I'll use the example we threw out the last
couple of days, why don't the Spurs go after Duncan Robinson?
And when you look at the contract that Duncan Robinson
got and the compensation that Miami got for him in
the sign and trade, it basically is like, well, why
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couldn't the Spurs have done that? They had more assets
and they could have made a better package for them.
But somewhere in the Spurs organization they don't think Duncan
Robinson can help them, or they think the price of
Duncan Robinson is too much, or there's something that said.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
No, we don't want to get involved in that.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
It's the same reason why we didn't see them close
a deal for Kevin Durant and likely will not do
the same thing for a gy Honis move.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Here. They have a different plan, and.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
To a certain extent, NBA general managers are fantasy football
and basketball.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Players for real.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
It is kind of a I don't think there's an
exact science to it. But if you have a philosophy
and you understand what a player can and can not do,
and if that asset and the things that they don't
do well fit into your system, then you can have
an opportunity to.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Go after a player. You'll make that decision.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
It's why you and I are are lukewarm on Luke Hornett,
but they're not.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I think you're higher on Luke.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I just want a seven foot one guy on the
other side of the court. If he can breathe and
get rebounds, I'm okay. But they think they can use
him in some way to make them productive and get
them wins. They may be proven right or they may
be proven wrong, but they have an idea as to
what they want to do. And while he's never going
to be the sizzle factor that a lot of owners have.
The current ownership with the with Peter j and that
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whole family and his dad in the past when he
ran the team. They know to get out of the
way of the people that are running the team. And
too often the new breed of owners want to be
heavily and decision making when it comes to personnel, and
too often that doesn't work because they can't get their
(06:07):
fandom out of the way of the fact that this
guy can or cannot help us based on what our
philosophy is.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Well, and let me let me at least put a
little bit of correction on I don't mind the Luke
Cornett signing. I think it's I think it's a little
overpriced what they paid for him. I don't mind the
pick because again, we got the news yesterday as well
that we lost Sandro to Toronto. We needed another big
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and as we talk about it all the time, Charles
Bassie is still not a guaranteed to be back on
this team. He has a non guaranteed contract. He could
be back and he could be the greatest thing since
life spread. You know, you talked about him when he
was in college at Western Kentucky, dominating player. But the
problem in the past two years Charles cannot stay healthy
and there is only one. Until Luke Cornette was signed,
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there was only one player on this team that was
taller than six', ten and that's the.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Alien we. Needed other big.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
GUYS i would have preferred maybe The Luke cornett, signing
maybe to come to day and not be their very first.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Choice kind of.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
The POINT i want to make in comparison to what
is going on with The knicks is that we're as
frustrating it as is For. Spurs fans come trade deadline
and The spurs notoriously don't do. Anything, Yeah AND i
think a lot of times fans just want to see
a trade done for the sake of their being a. Trade, yeah,
well why do You you can't just Stand? Pat, well
they it worked out pretty well when they Stood pat
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all those.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Years, now, well, hey it, worked but it worked in
the trade.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Machine Any, yeah, yeah the trade machine says we can do,
It so why don't we do?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
It can't we do?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
This and so to, me that, is, uh just because
you're great at creating cable, vision Which James dolan, was
or great at creating an entertaining entertainment experience at the
sphere or whatever it is that you think you're good,
at doesn't necessarily mean that you can evaluate basketball, talent
(08:07):
AND i think the ownership groups that allow the people
that can evaluate talent to evaluate it tend to be
more consistently. Good, Occasionally i'll use Mattish bia for an. Example,
now Mattish bia is the owner of The. Sons he
played college basketball At Michigan. STATE i think in the
(08:29):
Tom izzo years. Ago for Tom, izzo he wasn't a major,
player but he was on the roster and he built
his capital financial group to whatever it was to make
him a billionaire to where he can go To phoenix
and buy a. Team and, now, well you, KNOW i
played basketball For Michigan. State THEREFORE i know about college.
Basketball So i'm going to go through coaches one at
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a time and start firing them and paying them even
though they're not. Working and, OH i like that. Player
he's got flash and sizzlo AND i saw him score
twenty in a college.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Game let's go draft.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Him AND i think that if you're not going to
allow your coaches and your channel managers to coach and general,
manage which is exactly What Jerry jones does In dallas
and is the, biggest the biggest flaw Of Jerry jones
is as he doesn't get out of the way and
allow people that know what they're doing more than he
does on the on the football field to be able
(09:20):
to do it because he wants to get all the
credit for the success and or the.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Failure, well BUT i also think That, jerry because like
you talked about it and we've we've heard it a few,
times Is jerry wants The cowboys to be you, know
the good old family, work you, know the mom and
pop Like colin wants to work with his. Kids, yeah
Like Colin cowhard keeps, saying The cowboys aren't an, organ it's.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
A, family it's a mom and.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Pop and he wants to be liked by all of
his players and things like. That he's a player's. Owner
we see a lot of times he gives guys that
maybe have a little bit of a rough past or
something like that a second chance in life and things like.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
THAT i started watching THE uh, Series, Man Jerry jones
has a cameo in. That AND i can't prove this
IF i ever got to meet the writers and. Everything
But jerry is basically telling one of the oil guys
who's about to die that he should spend the rest
of his life with his kids in the family and
make up for lost.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Time And jerry.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Goes on to say in the cameo that he has
in there that when he bought The, cowboys it wasn't
to be, rich and, yes he loved, football but it
was a way THAT i could assure that my kids
were going to come to work with me every, day
and he wanted the family atmosphere around. Him and my
guess is is that some screenwriter didn't write. That jerry
wrote that LIE i. Have that's that's from the heart
(10:40):
From jerry in a in a fictional.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Drama nobody in this, world maybe Besides, charlotte Tells jerry
what to, do, right and Maybe stephen a little Bit
Steve stephen. Directs stephen is good at suggesting something that
Becomes jerry's. Idea, yeah he tosses in those subliminal, Messages, Hey,
dad don't you think it would be a great?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Iat martin's a little bit more of a gamble Than Johnny.
Manziel let's go that. Direction what do you THINK i
think the best pick for?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
You? Dad you should pick this.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Guy That BUT i Think jerry basically wrote that line
or ad lib that line in that in that in that,
series on the on that scene in that. Series SO
i don't Fault jerry for, that but that still doesn't
get him off the hook for not hiring a football
guy to run football operations and to have a more
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hands on feel as to what you should how you should,
draft and who you should, pick and how you should
build your roster and who should. COACH i, mean if
you had The Kansas city general manager of each And
andy And Andy reid as your, coach they would get
the credit for. Winning you'd get the. Hardware Robert kraft
doesn't get get credit in The hunt family doesn't get
credit for winning championships because they don't mind the fact
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that they're sharing the spotlight with somebody. Else and, that
to me Is jerry's flaw a little. Bit is he
wants credit for all of. That BUT i think with The,
Knicks James, dowan Like, sizzle likes, splash likes to make a,
move AND i think he ran out of. OPTIONS i
don't Think Mike brown's a bad, coach, no BUT i
don't Think Mike brown is going to into The hall
Of fame. Either if he was allowed to coach long,
(12:15):
enough maybe he, would but everybody gets he gets uh
an antsy owner too quickly that moves on from, him
way too.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
QUICKLY i at.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Least like the higher because it is a respectable guy
within the organ within the business of THE, nba because
it's not some random assistant coach.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
That we don't really know.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
About like what was it the other, day the, guy
The nori guy or whatever his name, was Never, Reckon,
yeah something like. That and it may work for The,
knicks it may not work for The, knicks but at
least you have a respectable head of the snake With Mike.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Brown, yeah and the players will listen to. Him AND
i think the biggest thing that he has to do
is find an, eighth, ninth and tenth player to take
pressure off the other seven who play way too many
minutes in the regular season and are exhausted by the
time the playoffs coming.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
In, well they may have With San antonio's Own Jordan
clarkson reportedly going, there and then The french Guy yabaselli
to going there as, well you, know.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
But the fact is is you still have to play.
Them BUT i think The Mike brown hires a good.
ONE i don't know how Long James dollen will be
patient with them even if they're successful in. Winning AND
i think he's gotten to a situation where he's now
back in charge and they were better off when he
was not as. Involved and that's hard for people that
are billionaires to. Do they got great because and they
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made their money making tough decisions in a business, world
and unfortunately sports does not have the.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Same the principles are the.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Same but just because you can evaluate a salesperson or
you can evaluate a manager that's going to run your cable,
company doesn't mean you can tell me which player is
going to be better for your. Organization that's where coaches
and gms come. In and LIKE i, said we think
That Duncan robinson would have been a great fit for The.
Spurs obviously The spurs brass does, not and that's why
or doesn't think it's worth what the value of him
(14:08):
would be to get. Him Uh and and so they're
going and they're not dipping into that. Direction AND i
think that's one of the things that we have to
pay attention to with any team in any league is
are your coaches and general managers allowed to? Coach in
general manager and if they're just figureheads for the owner
to do whatever he wants with his. Toy they're usually
not very successful in the long, run.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Well at, Least and we'll finish this up real.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Quick in the circumstance with With detroit being the one
That Duncan, robinson it's going to be a sign and.
Trade detroit also had to pull the trigger because of
The Malik beasley, news so they're basically replacing Me Malik
beasley With Duncan robbers.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Whatever they kind of had to, overpay.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
And not that it's going to, happen but what happens
If Malik beasley's completely exonerated from all of. This now
you've got a free agent out there that everybody may
want this for a cheap.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Price not touching that one with a thousand.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yardstick, Andy, well if they come back and, go, hey
we messed, up there's no evidence now that's not the.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
CASE i think he's in big time hot.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Water But Malik beasley is a better basketball player Than
Duncan robinson.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
OVERALL i think where they's, smoke there's.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
FIRING i definitely think that The league would not Tell
detroit to stotton negotiations with somebody if they didn't already have.
Him it's a matter of how much they got on
him and how much they're going to be able to
get him to come clean as to whether or not
he's going to ever see the light of THE nba
again or. Not All, right one of the most impressive
halftime entertainment shows of all time had a spill last.
(15:38):
Night to my, knowledge it's never happened, before but we'll
talk about that.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
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