November 10, 2025 • 6 mins
“Was Paul McCartney secretly replaced by a lookalike after a fatal car crash?”On this episode of The Ben and Skin Show, Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray crack open Christina’s Cookie Jar to explore one of the most bizarre and enduring music conspiracies of all time: the infamous “Paul is Dead” rumor.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's time of pop the Crazier has It's from Christina's
Kookie Jar.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Christine Jobs.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The last week, Paul McCartney published a book. It's called Wings,
The Story of a Band on the Run, And in
that book he addressed the rumors of his death that
started back in the late sixties, the whole Paul is
dead rumors. Now, before we get into that, he said,
Now that over half a century has passed since those
(00:49):
truly crazy times, he said, I'm starting to think that
those rumors were more accurate than I thought at the time.
In so many ways, I was dead, he said, a
twenty seven year old about to become an ex beatle.
I was drowning in a sea of legal and personal
rows that were just zapping his energy, and he needed
a complete life makeover.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Interesting, So in a way he was dead.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Interesting for him to finally acknowledge that dead.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, was this the whole deal with walking across the
crosswalk Barefoot Abbey Road?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, that was supposedly a sign of it. There was
a bunch of stuff that ties into it.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
That's what I wanted to get into. So the Abbey
Road stuff I was aware of, like Benja said, him
walking barefoot, he had a cigarette in his right hand,
not is left, because he's left handed, and people were
speculating that not only is Paul dead, but he's got
a stand in. They're faking us out, they're not telling
us the truth. But were you guys aware of all
these Sergeant Pepper clues of him being dead.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I'd have to hear him again. They may ring a
bell once you start going through them.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Okay, Well, first off, this was all started in a
college newspaper where the headline was clues hint at Beetle
death and is.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
One of these from when I'm sixty four?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Well you're talking about the music lyrics?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Possibly, okay, And so not only was this in a
college newspaper, it was picked up by the London Daily Mirror,
and that's really what started and going. You had to
call her call in at to a radio station like
have you heard about these rumors? And he played it
and then it just took on from there. But I
brought it in my Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Heart Band album.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I was wondering why this was saying, because I.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Want you guys to actually see the cover as we
go through these billion times Okay, so we're gonna start
with the back of it. The back cover, Ben, tell
me what you see.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Oh, okay, you see three beatles looking forward and one
beatle looking backwards.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
That's Paul with his back turn.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Right, Paul has his back turn. That's one of the
clues that he's passed away.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
In a different colored Oh, I guess they're all wearing
different colors.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Okay. And then if you open it, Ben, there's a
little patch on Paul McCartney's suit there and what are
the initials?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Oh you see oh on his left sleep ye? Opp okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
It is supposed to be opp but people thought it
said OPD, which stood for officially officially pronounced dead. But
it is opp Ontario Provincial Police, not what you guys said.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So were they doing this on purpose?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Kind of like Taylor Swift, this.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Was all I think. This is just people looking into
things that weren't actually true.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I think this is the same reason Ron was talking
about that piece missing in the chair that you could
put opioids into. I didn't think people go back and
start attaching meaning to things because they're different.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
But also this was before the internet too, which is
really mind blowing. To me, this is before Reddit and stuff,
you know, So I'm like, how bored are you to
just look at this cover and think of all of
these insane things? Okay, so on the front of the
cover there's more because you'll see that they're to the side,
like I'm not talking about the colorful one of the Beatles,
(04:07):
to the side. They're dressed in suits, and Ringo looks
very very sad, and Skin whose hand is on Ringo's
shoulder as he's looking very very sad.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
That looks like it's John. Oh, Paul coming around his
shoulder in a different colored suit.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Is that what's going on?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So Paul is consoling him from beyond the grave. And
then people are saying that Ringo is looking at a grave.
I'm assuming it's the yellow flowers down there that look
like a base.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Oh yeah, the flowers do look like a bass a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Oh yeah, that was so crazy but actually kind of
cool in a way.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
And then, like you said, Skin about the hidden messages,
which there's a whole segment I could do about that, Kat,
you sent me some stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I might do that later this week.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
But the one I remember is the strawberry Fields Forever
where people thought John Lennon was saying I buried Paul
when he said, no, I'm just saying I'm very bored.
I'm not. I'm not saying I buried anyone.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
So yeah, I just thought those were really really cool.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
That's good. And the idea was that he was in
a car car crash.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Right, Yeah, So that started like sixty six. I believe
someone started the rumor that, hey, we heard Paul was
in a car accident.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Is he okay?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And that actually picked up so much scene that they
had called someone had called the Beatles manager at the time,
Brian Epstein, Yes, and he was like, Uh, Paul is
sitting right by me right now. I don't know what
you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
He's fine.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And they thought the rumors had gone away until that
newspaper thing picked back up.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I guarantee you there are people that still believe he's dead.
Really just bite the fact. They had a whole other career,
did things with Michael Jackson, Like, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
He's doing great though, right, I think he pretty kick
ass for it. Oh fantastic.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
One of the biggest music conspiracies of old time detailed
in Christina's Cookie Jar. All right, coming up at five
o'clock we cussed the Cowboy. You won't believe what Jerry
Jones put in a contract for one of his players.
But we're three minutes away from the today game, so
I don't miss it.
It's time of pop the Crazier has It's from Christina's
Kookie Jar.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Christine Jobs.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The last week, Paul McCartney published a book. It's called Wings,
The Story of a Band on the Run, And in
that book he addressed the rumors of his death that
started back in the late sixties, the whole Paul is
dead rumors. Now, before we get into that, he said,
Now that over half a century has passed since those
(00:49):
truly crazy times, he said, I'm starting to think that
those rumors were more accurate than I thought at the time.
In so many ways, I was dead, he said, a
twenty seven year old about to become an ex beatle.
I was drowning in a sea of legal and personal
rows that were just zapping his energy, and he needed
a complete life makeover.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Interesting, So in a way he was dead.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Interesting for him to finally acknowledge that dead.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, was this the whole deal with walking across the
crosswalk Barefoot Abbey Road?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, that was supposedly a sign of it. There was
a bunch of stuff that ties into it.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
That's what I wanted to get into. So the Abbey
Road stuff I was aware of, like Benja said, him
walking barefoot, he had a cigarette in his right hand,
not is left, because he's left handed, and people were
speculating that not only is Paul dead, but he's got
a stand in. They're faking us out, they're not telling
us the truth. But were you guys aware of all
these Sergeant Pepper clues of him being dead.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I'd have to hear him again. They may ring a
bell once you start going through them.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Okay, Well, first off, this was all started in a
college newspaper where the headline was clues hint at Beetle
death and is.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
One of these from when I'm sixty four?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Well you're talking about the music lyrics?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Possibly, okay, And so not only was this in a
college newspaper, it was picked up by the London Daily Mirror,
and that's really what started and going. You had to
call her call in at to a radio station like
have you heard about these rumors? And he played it
and then it just took on from there. But I
brought it in my Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Heart Band album.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I was wondering why this was saying, because I.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Want you guys to actually see the cover as we
go through these billion times Okay, so we're gonna start
with the back of it. The back cover, Ben, tell
me what you see.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Oh, okay, you see three beatles looking forward and one
beatle looking backwards.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
That's Paul with his back turn.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Right, Paul has his back turn. That's one of the
clues that he's passed away.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
In a different colored Oh, I guess they're all wearing
different colors.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Okay. And then if you open it, Ben, there's a
little patch on Paul McCartney's suit there and what are
the initials?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Oh you see oh on his left sleep ye? Opp okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
It is supposed to be opp but people thought it
said OPD, which stood for officially officially pronounced dead. But
it is opp Ontario Provincial Police, not what you guys said.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So were they doing this on purpose?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Kind of like Taylor Swift, this.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Was all I think. This is just people looking into
things that weren't actually true.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I think this is the same reason Ron was talking
about that piece missing in the chair that you could
put opioids into. I didn't think people go back and
start attaching meaning to things because they're different.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
But also this was before the internet too, which is
really mind blowing. To me, this is before Reddit and stuff,
you know, So I'm like, how bored are you to
just look at this cover and think of all of
these insane things? Okay, so on the front of the
cover there's more because you'll see that they're to the side,
like I'm not talking about the colorful one of the Beatles,
(04:07):
to the side. They're dressed in suits, and Ringo looks
very very sad, and Skin whose hand is on Ringo's
shoulder as he's looking very very sad.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
That looks like it's John. Oh, Paul coming around his
shoulder in a different colored suit.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Is that what's going on?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So Paul is consoling him from beyond the grave. And
then people are saying that Ringo is looking at a grave.
I'm assuming it's the yellow flowers down there that look
like a base.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Oh yeah, the flowers do look like a bass a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Oh yeah, that was so crazy but actually kind of
cool in a way.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
And then, like you said, Skin about the hidden messages,
which there's a whole segment I could do about that, Kat,
you sent me some stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I might do that later this week.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
But the one I remember is the strawberry Fields Forever
where people thought John Lennon was saying I buried Paul
when he said, no, I'm just saying I'm very bored.
I'm not. I'm not saying I buried anyone.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
So yeah, I just thought those were really really cool.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
That's good. And the idea was that he was in
a car car crash.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Right, Yeah, So that started like sixty six. I believe
someone started the rumor that, hey, we heard Paul was
in a car accident.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Is he okay?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And that actually picked up so much scene that they
had called someone had called the Beatles manager at the time,
Brian Epstein, Yes, and he was like, Uh, Paul is
sitting right by me right now. I don't know what
you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
He's fine.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And they thought the rumors had gone away until that
newspaper thing picked back up.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I guarantee you there are people that still believe he's dead.
Really just bite the fact. They had a whole other career,
did things with Michael Jackson, Like, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
He's doing great though, right, I think he pretty kick
ass for it. Oh fantastic.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
One of the biggest music conspiracies of old time detailed
in Christina's Cookie Jar. All right, coming up at five
o'clock we cussed the Cowboy. You won't believe what Jerry
Jones put in a contract for one of his players.
But we're three minutes away from the today game, so
I don't miss it.
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