November 12, 2025 • 6 mins
The gang shares an incredible clip from their Haymaker Presents.. sit-down with Dirk Nowitzki, where he opens up about coaching his son, teaching Holger drills, and why mastering fundamentals beats chasing flashy step-back threes. Skin even connects Dirk’s advice to the greatest shot in Mavs history—that left-handed layup against Miami in the Finals.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bin and skin Show ninety seven point one The Eagle.
Thanks for hanging out with us today. Let's get into
the Sydney Sweeney conversation here in fifteen minutes, everyone is
talking about her best thing that she performs with. Is
that the best way to word this things things plural. Yeah,
we'll get into those and we'll enjoy them. What Hey,
(00:21):
you'll have a chance to win nine inch nails tickets
sometime during the show today and all week long. Be listening,
have the very cool iHeart app and you'll have your
chance to win. But right now it's time for this.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Skinny track, another edition of things Sin is tracking.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
All right, Ben, You and I came from the sports
talk world and we drug little kt with us, came
here to the Eagle. But for the longest time, we
did tons of sports talk and we're kind of getting
some opportunities to do that again outside of what we
do here on the Eagle with the little thing we're
doing called Haymaker, and we've been blasting it out there.
No doubt people have seen that. We launched it on
(01:02):
Monday with a long sit down interview with Dirt Novisky.
Now you and I did that interview with dirt before
the season started and before he was getting ready to
go off and do the Amazon thing. And so we've
been putting out these clips on our social media and
there are things that I forgot that we talked about.
Have you enjoyed seeing all this stuff come out?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Absolutely? It's especially like him talking about why he doesn't
want to be a GM or be in a front office.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Pretty timely, very timely.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
And there is one thing that came across my timeline
because I had forgotten about it, and I'm going to
play this, and it was Dirk talking about coaching being
being a mentor to other players, and it inevitably led
to him talking about watching his son play basketball.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Won't you play that clip?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Christina?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah? I mean I always said I'm gonna get some
time away here from hoops, but at some point of
my kids start, I think that'll be a cool way
to get back into it. And it's only getting there.
Mactually just started here and in the spring season actually,
and see, I think he's got the bug now loves it.
(02:11):
I mean, he still does his tennis and he played
a little bit of soccer again still, but he is
the first one to get the basketball bug. And so
it's been fun being around uh And you know, I
take him to the court every now and then and
we'll do some Hulger exercises. I said, now, you've got
to spin first before you do that move. Or he
(02:32):
was to do this step back. I was like, no,
lefty layup ten in a row. You're not going to
do a step back here if you can make a
lefty layup. So I'm putting them through some of the
Holger drills. And that's it's a fun way to obviously
for me now to get more involved in basketball.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
All right, So I've got my thoughts on that. I
was gonna see if you're hearing that made you think
of anything in particular.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
No, I mean, it just makes me love Dirk even
more and I love you know, him sharing being a dad.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
We saw it at the tennis event and they played doubles,
Dirk and one of his kids against Nash and one
of his kids, and it's just really really special to
hear that. And when I hear him talking about make
your lefty layups, I think about the one he made
against the Heat and the finals, you know, And.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
That's where I'm going with this. I think that's the
greatest shot in Dirk's history is that layup, left handed
layup to secure the or that was at the end
of game two.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
It comeback is the big comeback. That's when he looked
up and he's like, what did that go? Is this real?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah? And so that shot. So he's talking about his
son and all these kids they watch you know, Dame
or whoever, and they wanted to shoot step back threes, right,
And if you go watch an amateur game like middle
school or high school or whatever, like I remember going
back to Burtner a couple of years ago and watching
them play Lake Islands and I was watching, going, oh
(03:55):
my god, these poor coaches, like this is the spawn
of stuff Curry. This is what these kids are doing now?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
All right?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
And even now I'll flip on a WNBA game and
it's changed so much over the last four or five years,
Like there are so many step back threes it's astonishing.
But Dirk didn't shoot step back threes. Dirk shot the
one legged fade away, which, if you know the history
of it, that was not a shot that Holger taught him.
(04:23):
Holger did not want him shooting the one legged fade away.
He wanted him shooting hook shots and different things, but
Dirt just developed that naturally. But that's his version of
the step back three, a way to get a player
off balance and shoot a shot that they can't get to. Okay,
he just normally did it kind of in the elbow area. Well,
(04:44):
what he's talking about about his son wanting to go
and shoot a bunch of step back three, He's like, no, no, no, no, no,
we're not doing that until you have these other components
of your game down net first, because once you have
those things down, then you have and then you can
go to things. And the whole reason that Dirk got
(05:05):
that left handed layup is because Chris Bosh played him
for the step back. That's what Bosh thought was coming.
Dirk read it and hit him with a left handed layup.
And so I'm not sure that that's what Dirk is
specifically telling us there. But I had the same thought
that Ben had, where I'm like, man, you do all
this work and do all these things so that when
(05:28):
you're in the moment and it matters most, it's muscle
memory and you have counters, and you've done all that
work over and over and over and over and over
and it's beautiful to get in the gym and just
play and hoist, step back threes and just do whatever
you want. But man, if you do all that work first,
it all pays off for you in the end. And
(05:49):
hearing him describe that, just imparting all of that into
his son and whether or his son doesn't even know
why now it's not registering with him, but that's an
amazing legacy.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Man, God, so good. It's so good, man, And many
thanks to all of the powers that be at iHeart
for allowing us to do this, because you know, we
don't want to. We're doing a unique show right now
and we're digging this show. We're loving it. But we
also want to get back to our sports roots in
some of those long form interviews. So Heymaker gives us
that chance to sit down with Dirt and talk for
(06:19):
an hour.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
We're not going to have Dirt commercial free for an
hour on the Eagle. It doesn't make sense. But we
still want to do those things. So those of you
that enjoy when we do sports talk, you can check
that stuff out there as well. Ben and Skin Show
ninety some point one, The Eagle coming up next. Let's
talk about the Sydney Sweeney controversy. In fact, let's look
at him. We'll do that next
Bin and skin Show ninety seven point one The Eagle.
Thanks for hanging out with us today. Let's get into
the Sydney Sweeney conversation here in fifteen minutes, everyone is
talking about her best thing that she performs with. Is
that the best way to word this things things plural. Yeah,
we'll get into those and we'll enjoy them. What Hey,
(00:21):
you'll have a chance to win nine inch nails tickets
sometime during the show today and all week long. Be listening,
have the very cool iHeart app and you'll have your
chance to win. But right now it's time for this.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Skinny track, another edition of things Sin is tracking.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
All right, Ben, You and I came from the sports
talk world and we drug little kt with us, came
here to the Eagle. But for the longest time, we
did tons of sports talk and we're kind of getting
some opportunities to do that again outside of what we
do here on the Eagle with the little thing we're
doing called Haymaker, and we've been blasting it out there.
No doubt people have seen that. We launched it on
(01:02):
Monday with a long sit down interview with Dirt Novisky.
Now you and I did that interview with dirt before
the season started and before he was getting ready to
go off and do the Amazon thing. And so we've
been putting out these clips on our social media and
there are things that I forgot that we talked about.
Have you enjoyed seeing all this stuff come out?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Absolutely? It's especially like him talking about why he doesn't
want to be a GM or be in a front office.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Pretty timely, very timely.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
And there is one thing that came across my timeline
because I had forgotten about it, and I'm going to
play this, and it was Dirk talking about coaching being
being a mentor to other players, and it inevitably led
to him talking about watching his son play basketball.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Won't you play that clip?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Christina?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah? I mean I always said I'm gonna get some
time away here from hoops, but at some point of
my kids start, I think that'll be a cool way
to get back into it. And it's only getting there.
Mactually just started here and in the spring season actually,
and see, I think he's got the bug now loves it.
(02:11):
I mean, he still does his tennis and he played
a little bit of soccer again still, but he is
the first one to get the basketball bug. And so
it's been fun being around uh And you know, I
take him to the court every now and then and
we'll do some Hulger exercises. I said, now, you've got
to spin first before you do that move. Or he
(02:32):
was to do this step back. I was like, no,
lefty layup ten in a row. You're not going to
do a step back here if you can make a
lefty layup. So I'm putting them through some of the
Holger drills. And that's it's a fun way to obviously
for me now to get more involved in basketball.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
All right, So I've got my thoughts on that. I
was gonna see if you're hearing that made you think
of anything in particular.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
No, I mean, it just makes me love Dirk even
more and I love you know, him sharing being a dad.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
We saw it at the tennis event and they played doubles,
Dirk and one of his kids against Nash and one
of his kids, and it's just really really special to
hear that. And when I hear him talking about make
your lefty layups, I think about the one he made
against the Heat and the finals, you know, And.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
That's where I'm going with this. I think that's the
greatest shot in Dirk's history is that layup, left handed
layup to secure the or that was at the end
of game two.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
It comeback is the big comeback. That's when he looked
up and he's like, what did that go? Is this real?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah? And so that shot. So he's talking about his
son and all these kids they watch you know, Dame
or whoever, and they wanted to shoot step back threes, right,
And if you go watch an amateur game like middle
school or high school or whatever, like I remember going
back to Burtner a couple of years ago and watching
them play Lake Islands and I was watching, going, oh
(03:55):
my god, these poor coaches, like this is the spawn
of stuff Curry. This is what these kids are doing now?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
All right?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
And even now I'll flip on a WNBA game and
it's changed so much over the last four or five years,
Like there are so many step back threes it's astonishing.
But Dirk didn't shoot step back threes. Dirk shot the
one legged fade away, which, if you know the history
of it, that was not a shot that Holger taught him.
(04:23):
Holger did not want him shooting the one legged fade away.
He wanted him shooting hook shots and different things, but
Dirt just developed that naturally. But that's his version of
the step back three, a way to get a player
off balance and shoot a shot that they can't get to. Okay,
he just normally did it kind of in the elbow area. Well,
(04:44):
what he's talking about about his son wanting to go
and shoot a bunch of step back three, He's like, no, no, no, no, no,
we're not doing that until you have these other components
of your game down net first, because once you have
those things down, then you have and then you can
go to things. And the whole reason that Dirk got
(05:05):
that left handed layup is because Chris Bosh played him
for the step back. That's what Bosh thought was coming.
Dirk read it and hit him with a left handed layup.
And so I'm not sure that that's what Dirk is
specifically telling us there. But I had the same thought
that Ben had, where I'm like, man, you do all
this work and do all these things so that when
(05:28):
you're in the moment and it matters most, it's muscle
memory and you have counters, and you've done all that
work over and over and over and over and over
and it's beautiful to get in the gym and just
play and hoist, step back threes and just do whatever
you want. But man, if you do all that work first,
it all pays off for you in the end. And
(05:49):
hearing him describe that, just imparting all of that into
his son and whether or his son doesn't even know
why now it's not registering with him, but that's an
amazing legacy.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Man, God, so good. It's so good, man, And many
thanks to all of the powers that be at iHeart
for allowing us to do this, because you know, we
don't want to. We're doing a unique show right now
and we're digging this show. We're loving it. But we
also want to get back to our sports roots in
some of those long form interviews. So Heymaker gives us
that chance to sit down with Dirt and talk for
(06:19):
an hour.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
We're not going to have Dirt commercial free for an
hour on the Eagle. It doesn't make sense. But we
still want to do those things. So those of you
that enjoy when we do sports talk, you can check
that stuff out there as well. Ben and Skin Show
ninety some point one, The Eagle coming up next. Let's
talk about the Sydney Sweeney controversy. In fact, let's look
at him. We'll do that next
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