October 30, 2025 • 10 mins
"Is Jerry Jones more invested in oil than in fixing the Cowboys' defense?"That’s the question that kicks off a wild ride on this Devil’s Night edition of The Ben and Skin Show, where Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina “Little Baby Cornbread” Ray bring the chaos, comedy, and candid sports takes you crave.From KT’s evil laugh triggered by the mere mention of “Devil’s Night,” to Christina’s failed attempt to summon the same spooky spirit, the crew dives headfirst into Halloween antics, costume confusion, and the absurdity of Jerry Jones’ latest Wall Street Journal quote:“There’s $100 billion present value with gas out there… That’s why I’m talking to you on the telephone rather than trying to fix our defense.”Wait, what?! The Cowboys’ GM just admitted he’s more focused on oil money than football? The gang breaks it down with biting wit, insider speculation on Will McClay’s future, and a hilarious comparison to Jerry West’s front office journey.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
No place for hiding, baby, no place to run. You
pull the trigger of my love gun.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's good. That is really.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Good with et with I show your dog booming it
be except with simple pursuing it. Hold out Shaw shaking
through the sewer, Dude, now what chilling at the eagle? Yeah,
we're doing it. Do your clocking on the dock. Got
(00:30):
a habit for my house or don't?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Sat is how we're starting to getting rattic.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Show that enough, multiply like a radit tune in, so out,
creak it up, beat the habit.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm on, I.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Hang out with my friends, rocking on the radio, my
hole throwing on boy skin in his.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Talking on the radio. It's time to do this sponse again.
Ballad we go, Katie, Christine.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Ah, Yes, all up on your radio. It's the world
famous Ben and Skin Show ninety seven point one The Eagle,
Ben Rogers, Jeff skin Wade, Kevin K. T. Turner and
Christina Little Baby corn Bread Ray all hands on deck. Yeah,
already thrown off. Yeah, already thrown off. But we'll fight
(01:27):
through it and we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's a very.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Important show today because it's the Devil's Night.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, your affairs in order? Which affairs the affairs that
you're having. I dang it, Now I gotta admit to
them all? Which ones? Which? Yeah? Which one specifically?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Yeah, it's like trying a different Maybe you're drinking another beer.
Maybe it was one that we weren't invested in. Oh
I do that, Yeah, that'd be dumb thing to do.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Time to admit to the cours light consumption? Do you
know that?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Like? Uh, you know how like if you tickle a
dog's temmy like waggon's tail, it can't help it, you know,
And it's almost like a doctor hits your knee and
your knee pops out or whatever. And uh, I love
how anytime you say those words you get the evil
laugh from kt.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Abbs all of us about devils. N it's the devil's night.
It happens, Christina, Let's see if it works if you
said it's the devil's night. No, okay, you don't respect women.
It's the devil's night. It's just it's a confusing thing.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
She is a woman, she has a right to speak,
she can vote, she can drive a car less at
not quite as well as weekend, not this morning.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
But oh man, man does.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Not bog everyone down with my car issues. Yeah, let's
save that for three forty four. Hey, is the Devil's
Night spelled with a K? He's worse, He said the words.
Oh he thinks I'm a woman. Let me try it.
You do drink a lot of Starbucks. The Devil's Night.
(03:09):
Come on, you didn't do it. You guys aren't in
the spirit. I thought it made you do the least. Oh, okay,
I'm here.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
It's the Devil's Night, so only he triggers himself, Yeah,
because you get in the right cadence. Are you speaking
of being in the spirit? Have you worked out your
costume yet? For all this, Ben was like he pulled
out pom poms three weeks ago that said Halloween on
It started shaking him and demanding that we were a
(03:35):
costume and we're twenty four hours within the window and
he hadn't figured it out yet.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I've got a game that might help you out. Okay,
good When are we playing? It's partially inspired by your issues?
Four o'clock?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Okay at four o'clock? Okay, good man. I love Halloween.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And like I love the I love people putting out
you know, big things in their yard. My wife loves
doing that, giant skeletons or blow up things or whatever.
And I love stores that buy into the theme, Like
I got my haircut at Floyd's ninety nine and they'll
having a contest between the stores to see who can
decorate it the most. You know, Are they all dressed
up as Floyd from the Andy Griffith Show.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
That would be a good bit, every one of them.
One old person that walks in would get it. Everyone
else be like, I don't understand. Is this on TikTok?
Is this on k Star in the late eighties?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Okay, so yesterday something happened that really, to me feels
a lot like an asteroid is gonna hit the earth,
and then we don't talk about it till like the
fifth segment. I think we're all just so sick of
Jerry Jones and the way he runs the Cowboys that
(04:44):
it's just washing over us. That he had a quote
in the Wall Street Journal that basically is the smoking
gun for anybody out there who still had any doubt
that running the Cowboys is not the top priority for Jerry,
you know, being the day to day GM and all
those things. He had a quote in the Wall Street
Journal where he said there's one hundred billion present value
(05:05):
with gas out there. The eighty three year old billionaire
said in an interview, that's why I'm talking to you
on the telephone rather than trying to fix our defense
with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
They have the.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Second worst or worst defense in all of football. And
he is the general manager. And he's basically saying, I'm
doing this interview with the Wall Street Journal about all
this money that's out there with gas. That's why I
don't even care about my terrible defense. He does not care,
like this is all just a circus for him to
(05:39):
make more money.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Cows. God, it's so good to hear from you. Have
you been You've been doing good. It's great to hear
your voice. She's busy. Yay hi, thank you, thank you.
It's good to have you miked up.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
It's so true. I love it. Thank you. I would
ever lie to you. Alexis wait to choke? Hold on?
Speaker 6 (06:04):
That escalated quickly, escalated, so quickly. Her he so fast.
You're right, She's not a thing people say to each other.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Very ready to go. I've known you for twenty seconds,
will you choke me.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Uh so, yeah, man, Jerry said the part that usually
swims around in his brain.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
He said that part out loud. We should expect this
behavior more and more. Oh yeah, I mean this is
this is what this is. I mean, I feel like
we've seen in the last eighteen months almost a completely
different Jerry. But I would say that it's right on
par with the age of most Americans when they start
(06:46):
behaving this way, just more outwardly, and it's just right
on par with the you know, the it tracks as
I guess what it would say, like we've all known forever,
he's not running personnel, well, he's it's Will McClay and
even but he is the decider and so he can
force anything and he will stick his pelvis out and
make sure they know it's his call. And I've heard
(07:08):
some speculation that Will McLay at some point will want
to go somewhere else so he can really run it
and not be overseen by the Joneses. And the Joneses
are guys who let anybody in the room. So hey,
let's get this defensive coordinator that'll be here for one season,
and let's get him to weigh in on who we
should draft. And so I've heard speculation from people that
(07:29):
know Will McLay that he's not really fully in charge.
It's great to have him, but this isn't like he
may want to go somewhere else so he can really
be in charge. Yeah, no, that could be. And god,
he's been here, what doing He's been in this role
for fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Over thirteen fourteen years.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah, and you know, that's a really long time for
anybody to be in any sports front office. I mean,
even like I always think about the great Jerry West.
It was with the Lakers for so long, and he
is with Memphis, and he is with Golden State, he
was with the Clippers. I mean, it's pretty common for
those guys to move around. So you know, ultimately all
of these the vast majority of the teams that we
(08:09):
root for or just they're run by owners.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And some owners are better.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
About letting the front office people run things than others.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Some are super involved.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
We've had I can't speak really too well to the Rangers,
but I just know what the Mavericks and the Cowboys,
we've had very involved owners as long as we've been
doing sports talk radio.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, and the Rangers right, you said the MAVs, the
Cowboys and the Ranger. I don't have a good feel
for Ray Davis other than he says we can't spend
this and we can't spend that.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Absolutely, and that's that's everything.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Yeah, But like I meant in terms of like guys
thinking they know personal.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Oh right, trying to pick the players and stuff. Yeah,
I mean I've.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Heard lot we all have bad and your owners out
front or if he's hiding in the shadows, if your
team's bad, those guys can't really win, you know what
I'm saying, Like if the outfront over is like very
easy when things are good or bad, the guy who's
in the shadows, it's great when you win a World Series,
but the three years before that we were bitching about him.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Right, But you're a k T.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
You're a fan of the Packers, and obviously they're unique
in the way that they're structured. But when you look
at the Dallas Cowboys and how dysfunctional their leadership is,
and you like, how many teams around the league would
have their GM say, yeah, I can't focus on fixing
our defense.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I'm making all this money and oil and gas. It's
one hundred percent the opposite.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
For the Packers, I'll just say that, like their general
manager when he drafted Jordan Love, the head coach did
not know that was happening.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
It's like here, I'm the one who's picking the players here.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Just just like that, and that's all he spends time on.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
He goes to college games. Hard job, you should be
focused on it.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Oh sucks, never getting better, and you're never gonna be
able to take the keys away from him. He's gonna
drive into a wall at like five miles an hour.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
And that's when you're gonna get the key. At least
we're gonna win the Olympics this year. Yep.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
All right, coming up next, Skin, where are you gonna
take us in things? Skin is tracking? This is one
of my favorite quotes I've ever heard in sports.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Next,
No place for hiding, baby, no place to run. You
pull the trigger of my love gun.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's good. That is really.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Good with et with I show your dog booming it
be except with simple pursuing it. Hold out Shaw shaking
through the sewer, Dude, now what chilling at the eagle? Yeah,
we're doing it. Do your clocking on the dock. Got
(00:30):
a habit for my house or don't?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Sat is how we're starting to getting rattic.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Show that enough, multiply like a radit tune in, so out,
creak it up, beat the habit.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm on, I.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Hang out with my friends, rocking on the radio, my
hole throwing on boy skin in his.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Talking on the radio. It's time to do this sponse again.
Ballad we go, Katie, Christine.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Ah, Yes, all up on your radio. It's the world
famous Ben and Skin Show ninety seven point one The Eagle,
Ben Rogers, Jeff skin Wade, Kevin K. T. Turner and
Christina Little Baby corn Bread Ray all hands on deck. Yeah,
already thrown off. Yeah, already thrown off. But we'll fight
(01:27):
through it and we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's a very.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Important show today because it's the Devil's Night.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, your affairs in order? Which affairs the affairs that
you're having. I dang it, Now I gotta admit to
them all? Which ones? Which? Yeah? Which one specifically?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Yeah, it's like trying a different Maybe you're drinking another beer.
Maybe it was one that we weren't invested in. Oh
I do that, Yeah, that'd be dumb thing to do.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Time to admit to the cours light consumption? Do you
know that?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Like? Uh, you know how like if you tickle a
dog's temmy like waggon's tail, it can't help it, you know,
And it's almost like a doctor hits your knee and
your knee pops out or whatever. And uh, I love
how anytime you say those words you get the evil
laugh from kt.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Abbs all of us about devils. N it's the devil's night.
It happens, Christina, Let's see if it works if you
said it's the devil's night. No, okay, you don't respect women.
It's the devil's night. It's just it's a confusing thing.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
She is a woman, she has a right to speak,
she can vote, she can drive a car less at
not quite as well as weekend, not this morning.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
But oh man, man does.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Not bog everyone down with my car issues. Yeah, let's
save that for three forty four. Hey, is the Devil's
Night spelled with a K? He's worse, He said the words.
Oh he thinks I'm a woman. Let me try it.
You do drink a lot of Starbucks. The Devil's Night.
(03:09):
Come on, you didn't do it. You guys aren't in
the spirit. I thought it made you do the least. Oh, okay,
I'm here.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
It's the Devil's Night, so only he triggers himself, Yeah,
because you get in the right cadence. Are you speaking
of being in the spirit? Have you worked out your
costume yet? For all this, Ben was like he pulled
out pom poms three weeks ago that said Halloween on
It started shaking him and demanding that we were a
(03:35):
costume and we're twenty four hours within the window and
he hadn't figured it out yet.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I've got a game that might help you out. Okay,
good When are we playing? It's partially inspired by your issues?
Four o'clock?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Okay at four o'clock? Okay, good man. I love Halloween.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And like I love the I love people putting out
you know, big things in their yard. My wife loves
doing that, giant skeletons or blow up things or whatever.
And I love stores that buy into the theme, Like
I got my haircut at Floyd's ninety nine and they'll
having a contest between the stores to see who can
decorate it the most. You know, Are they all dressed
up as Floyd from the Andy Griffith Show.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
That would be a good bit, every one of them.
One old person that walks in would get it. Everyone
else be like, I don't understand. Is this on TikTok?
Is this on k Star in the late eighties?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Okay, so yesterday something happened that really, to me feels
a lot like an asteroid is gonna hit the earth,
and then we don't talk about it till like the
fifth segment. I think we're all just so sick of
Jerry Jones and the way he runs the Cowboys that
(04:44):
it's just washing over us. That he had a quote
in the Wall Street Journal that basically is the smoking
gun for anybody out there who still had any doubt
that running the Cowboys is not the top priority for Jerry,
you know, being the day to day GM and all
those things. He had a quote in the Wall Street
Journal where he said there's one hundred billion present value
(05:05):
with gas out there. The eighty three year old billionaire
said in an interview, that's why I'm talking to you
on the telephone rather than trying to fix our defense
with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
They have the.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Second worst or worst defense in all of football. And
he is the general manager. And he's basically saying, I'm
doing this interview with the Wall Street Journal about all
this money that's out there with gas. That's why I
don't even care about my terrible defense. He does not care,
like this is all just a circus for him to
(05:39):
make more money.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Cows. God, it's so good to hear from you. Have
you been You've been doing good. It's great to hear
your voice. She's busy. Yay hi, thank you, thank you.
It's good to have you miked up.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
It's so true. I love it. Thank you. I would
ever lie to you. Alexis wait to choke? Hold on?
Speaker 6 (06:04):
That escalated quickly, escalated, so quickly. Her he so fast.
You're right, She's not a thing people say to each other.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Very ready to go. I've known you for twenty seconds,
will you choke me.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Uh so, yeah, man, Jerry said the part that usually
swims around in his brain.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
He said that part out loud. We should expect this
behavior more and more. Oh yeah, I mean this is
this is what this is. I mean, I feel like
we've seen in the last eighteen months almost a completely
different Jerry. But I would say that it's right on
par with the age of most Americans when they start
(06:46):
behaving this way, just more outwardly, and it's just right
on par with the you know, the it tracks as
I guess what it would say, like we've all known forever,
he's not running personnel, well, he's it's Will McClay and
even but he is the decider and so he can
force anything and he will stick his pelvis out and
make sure they know it's his call. And I've heard
(07:08):
some speculation that Will McLay at some point will want
to go somewhere else so he can really run it
and not be overseen by the Joneses. And the Joneses
are guys who let anybody in the room. So hey,
let's get this defensive coordinator that'll be here for one season,
and let's get him to weigh in on who we
should draft. And so I've heard speculation from people that
(07:29):
know Will McLay that he's not really fully in charge.
It's great to have him, but this isn't like he
may want to go somewhere else so he can really
be in charge. Yeah, no, that could be. And god,
he's been here, what doing He's been in this role
for fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Over thirteen fourteen years.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah, and you know, that's a really long time for
anybody to be in any sports front office. I mean,
even like I always think about the great Jerry West.
It was with the Lakers for so long, and he
is with Memphis, and he is with Golden State, he
was with the Clippers. I mean, it's pretty common for
those guys to move around. So you know, ultimately all
of these the vast majority of the teams that we
(08:09):
root for or just they're run by owners.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And some owners are better.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
About letting the front office people run things than others.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Some are super involved.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
We've had I can't speak really too well to the Rangers,
but I just know what the Mavericks and the Cowboys,
we've had very involved owners as long as we've been
doing sports talk radio.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, and the Rangers right, you said the MAVs, the
Cowboys and the Ranger. I don't have a good feel
for Ray Davis other than he says we can't spend
this and we can't spend that.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Absolutely, and that's that's everything.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Yeah, But like I meant in terms of like guys
thinking they know personal.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Oh right, trying to pick the players and stuff. Yeah,
I mean I've.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Heard lot we all have bad and your owners out
front or if he's hiding in the shadows, if your
team's bad, those guys can't really win, you know what
I'm saying, Like if the outfront over is like very
easy when things are good or bad, the guy who's
in the shadows, it's great when you win a World Series,
but the three years before that we were bitching about him.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Right, But you're a k T.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
You're a fan of the Packers, and obviously they're unique
in the way that they're structured. But when you look
at the Dallas Cowboys and how dysfunctional their leadership is,
and you like, how many teams around the league would
have their GM say, yeah, I can't focus on fixing
our defense.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I'm making all this money and oil and gas. It's
one hundred percent the opposite.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
For the Packers, I'll just say that, like their general
manager when he drafted Jordan Love, the head coach did
not know that was happening.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
It's like here, I'm the one who's picking the players here.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Just just like that, and that's all he spends time on.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
He goes to college games. Hard job, you should be
focused on it.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Oh sucks, never getting better, and you're never gonna be
able to take the keys away from him. He's gonna
drive into a wall at like five miles an hour.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
And that's when you're gonna get the key. At least
we're gonna win the Olympics this year. Yep.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
All right, coming up next, Skin, where are you gonna
take us in things? Skin is tracking? This is one
of my favorite quotes I've ever heard in sports.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
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