November 11, 2025 • 10 mins
Leave it to the Ben and Skin show to conduct the most anticipated interview of the news cycle, as the young man who sat next to Patrick Dumont at the Mavs game in a Luka Lakers jersey zooms in to the show to explain what happened courtside last night.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Big news in Dallas Fort Worth today as the Mavericks
have parted ways with their general manager, Nico Harrison. And
it really is a tie in to what happened last night.
Is the Mavericks lost again at the AAC. But at
some point during the game, there was a young man.
I'll call him a kid because I'm an old man.
He's an eighteen year old and he was sitting next
(00:21):
to Patrick Dumont right there on the front row, and
he was wearing a Luca Lakers jersey. And I took
so much joy from that. I was like, I love it.
Look at this Patrick Dumont's at the game and the
guy sitting next to him as a huge Luca fan
in a Lakers jersey. Well, as details started emerging about
what that was, we quickly got in touch with the
(00:41):
parent of this young man who was there, and so
that has led us to this. We are now going
to interview the kid. I call him a kid because
I'm old The kid who sat next to Patrick Dumont
last night. His name is Nicholas Dickinson. He is a
freshman at SMU and ironically enough, he goes by Nico,
how are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Good? Good, good to see you.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, of the two nicos, I know you're having a
better day than the other one. That's probably safe to say.
So tell us what in the hell happened that put
you next to Patrick Dumont in a Lakers uniform?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
So I bought that Lakers jersey over the summer after
the Luca trade happened, and you know, after all the
jerseys started coming out and stuff, and I bought it
as a kind of protest because I knew I'd be
going to the Mats games this year, and I bought
it with going to the games in mind wearing the
Luca Lakers jersey as as a protest against the trade.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Okay, Now, I worked for the Maverick. So I'm sitting
opposite where you and Patrick Dumont were photographed together and everything.
So I didn't know it was going on until the
second half. So if you could kind of update us
on when did you sit down next to him, how
did you get there? How did all that come to be?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Right? I had I flipped Patrick off on Opening night
cause to get to my seats, I have to walk
past Patrick. So when we got blown out on Opening night,
as I was walking past them, I had some words
for him, and then I flipped them off.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
hold on, Nico, When you had words with him and
flipped him off, are you four feet away from him,
ten feet away from him, right in front of his face?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
When I spoke to him, I was directly in front
of him, maybe a foot away, And when I flipped
him off, I had walked away, probably twenty feet. I
was under the basket ish, okay, comparison to where he sits.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
And you can't listen, you can't cuss on the radio.
But did you cuss at this man?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I did not. I told him he was a modern genius.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Okay. So you said he's a modern genius, you smart ass.
You didn't say that.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I did.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I did.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I did sit that.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So did he respond to that?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah he did. He said thanks, I appreciate it, okay.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
And so you walked off, and then you were still
ir and you flipped the bird. Now, if that bird
was a NERF football and you threw it from however
far you were away, that he catched the football, was
the bird delivered?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It absolutely was. He was still looking at me whenever
I turned around and flipped them the bird and he
saw it, and yeah, no, he definitely saw it.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Okay, So now let's fast forward to last night. You know,
every time I've seen Patrick Dumont, he's had a lot
of security around him, and so I'm curious how you
got to just be sitting next to him in the
middle of a game. Did it start the half or
how'd all this come together?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I actually spoke to his security and told them that
I needed to apologize for flipping Patrick ass.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Okay, okay, I want to stop you there too, because
I want to know what was like this. A lot
of time has passed between now and the opening game,
and so is this your first time back to a game,
and why did you have to go talk to him?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
No, this is my this is I've been to one
game since opening night, I believe it was Oklahoma City,
and then I went last night and my dad said
that the next time I saw Patrick at a game,
I was required to apologize.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Good for your dad, I hope you understand that that's
the right thing, right.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, it was. It was immature. It was
a heat of the moment thing. I'm looking back on it.
It was I should not flip Patrick off.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Okay, but it's still you were You had your finger
on the pulse of the Metroplex when you did that.
I'm sure there's a lot of people that would call
you a brave hero for for doing that, but it's
obviously not the right thing to do. So here your
dad does the right thing. It says, hey, you're going
to go apologize to this man, and you sound like
a mature young man, so you're like, okay, I'm gonna
do it. So how did you go about getting past
(04:44):
the security and then what happened?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Uh? Yeah, So I my dad is friends with the
usher that does our seats all we all know.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Her, we all ever. Her name is Tammy Whenever.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
And when I was going to go walk up to Patrick,
I turned around and I looked at Tammy and I go,
I guess I have to go talk to Patrick now.
And the security actually heard me say that and said, no,
you're not allowed. And that's when I explained to him
the situation. And then his security walked up to Patrick
(05:19):
asked him if it was okay for me to come apologize,
and then Patrick said that he wanted me to sit
next to him.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Okay, this is too good. Let's carry this over all, right,
coming up next, let's find out what happened once Nico
Dickison sat down next to Patrick Dumont. We'll do it
next right here on the Eagle, Been and Skin Show
ninety seven point one The Eagle, We're right in the
middle of a conversation with a young man, Nico Dickison,
who's eighteen years old and sat next to Patrick Dumont
(05:45):
last night at the Maverick game. Now, Nico, we were
just talking about this about how long did you actually
sit down there next to mister Dumont? Probably around five minutes,
all right, Tammy's the conversation.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, So I sat down, and you know, if Patrick
had already been informed that that I was there to
apologize for flipping him the birds. So I sat down
and briefly apologized, and then we got to talking about
the Mavericks, and you know, we obviously touched on the
Luca trade, and I explained that I was a very
passionate fan.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I introduced myself to him.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I kind of gave him a little background around myself,
and yeah, we just we talked about the trade. I
talked a little bit about myself. He talked about his
hopes for the Mavericks and yeah, that was that was
the large part of the conversation.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Did he express regret about the trade, as if he
hated that it happened or was a bad decision, or
did he apologize for the trade? What was that all?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
What was that vibe he did?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yeah, he explained that he did what he did thinking
it was best for the franchise, but that looking back
on it, you know, we all make mistakes, and just
his mistake was broadcasting on an international level and you know,
affected a franchise deeply, and it is what it is.
We can't go back on it. But yeah, he expressed
(07:06):
regret for for the trade.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Did he ask you to call him Patrick? Did you
walk up and say, mister Dumont is like, no, by
all means call me Patrick.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
You know I probably should be calling him mister Dumont,
but no, I've I've just been calling him Patrick. He
didn't tell me to call him that, but you're you're right,
I should I should be calling him mister Dumont.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
No, it's it's it's fine. But my question is, did
you walk away from that exchange with him feeling better
about him or liking him or how do you feel
about all of it now?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I think I I honestly, before last night I hated Patrick.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Going into today, I like him.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
You got sugar deed. Would you consider going on a
second date?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah? I think.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
You know, maybe he was just saying the right things,
but I don't think so. I think I think he
he he. I think he has the math's best interest
at mine. You know, he cares about the fans, and
I think we'll be all right.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Did he did he tip his hand that he was
gonna part ways with Nico today at all?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
No?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I mean we had already kind of the mark Stein
headline had already kind of broken, so I didn't really
feel the need to touch on touch on it that much.
I felt like it was already a foregone conclusion by
the time I was sitting next to him. And from
what I've been told, the decision was actually made in
a pregame meeting with Mark Cuban and Rick.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, well that's actually in the mark Stein article today,
So you were told really good information there.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Nico.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Hey, let me ask you, but you know, before we
let you go, how do you feel today as a
Maverick fan moving forward.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Oh, I think it's the I think it's the first
step to you know, rebuilding, rebuilding what we had eighteen
months ago. And I think it's the second day besides
winning the draft lottery. I think it's the second day
since February first that you know, the Mavericks organization has
had a lot of positivity around it. So I'm I'm
really happy, and I think it's I think it's the
(09:04):
first and most important step towards the bright feature for
the Mavericks.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
One last thing, was it it all weird when you
told mister Dumont that your name was.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Nico, I introduced myself as Nicholas.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Okay, good, good move. Yeah, well man, it's very impressive.
I like every part of this. I like the bird,
I like the giving him speak in your mind. I
like the dad work here circling back with you, having
you apologize. I like the fact that you did it,
you went and apologize, and I like the way that
he received the apology. It sounds like it's just a
(09:35):
good story all around. So thank you for taking the
time to jump on the Benskin Show.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, no problem, anytime.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
All right, there, he goes Nico Dickison, The kid who
sat next to Patrick Dumont at the game last night. Incredible.
Get I don't know any other radio show that had
the balls to book that kid on their show. Only
a rock station would do such a thing. Ben, Yeah,
I think that's a feel good story in every way.
I mean, I'm glad he I'm glad he did it.
In some ways, it was disrespectful and inappropriate, but it
(10:02):
echoes how we all feel here in Dallas Fort Worth.
And then at the same time, it's good to come
back and clean up a mistake it say hey, sorry
about that. And I like that it was well received
by Patrick Dumont. And I like that your average eighteen
year old feels comfortably comfortable calling a fifty something year
old billionaire Patrick, right.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I mean, it's just like the world is changing all
around us. I just think that's exceptional parenting. I would
hope that I would send my kiddo right back in
there to apologize if they did such a thing as well.
Absolutely so, really really well done. All right, Coming up next,
where do the Mavericks go from here? We got the
weekly weekday update. Let's just take a look at where
the Mavericks are going to go? From here. We'll do
that next
Big news in Dallas Fort Worth today as the Mavericks
have parted ways with their general manager, Nico Harrison. And
it really is a tie in to what happened last night.
Is the Mavericks lost again at the AAC. But at
some point during the game, there was a young man.
I'll call him a kid because I'm an old man.
He's an eighteen year old and he was sitting next
(00:21):
to Patrick Dumont right there on the front row, and
he was wearing a Luca Lakers jersey. And I took
so much joy from that. I was like, I love it.
Look at this Patrick Dumont's at the game and the
guy sitting next to him as a huge Luca fan
in a Lakers jersey. Well, as details started emerging about
what that was, we quickly got in touch with the
(00:41):
parent of this young man who was there, and so
that has led us to this. We are now going
to interview the kid. I call him a kid because
I'm old The kid who sat next to Patrick Dumont
last night. His name is Nicholas Dickinson. He is a
freshman at SMU and ironically enough, he goes by Nico,
how are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Good? Good, good to see you.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, of the two nicos, I know you're having a
better day than the other one. That's probably safe to say.
So tell us what in the hell happened that put
you next to Patrick Dumont in a Lakers uniform?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
So I bought that Lakers jersey over the summer after
the Luca trade happened, and you know, after all the
jerseys started coming out and stuff, and I bought it
as a kind of protest because I knew I'd be
going to the Mats games this year, and I bought
it with going to the games in mind wearing the
Luca Lakers jersey as as a protest against the trade.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Okay, Now, I worked for the Maverick. So I'm sitting
opposite where you and Patrick Dumont were photographed together and everything.
So I didn't know it was going on until the
second half. So if you could kind of update us
on when did you sit down next to him, how
did you get there? How did all that come to be?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Right? I had I flipped Patrick off on Opening night
cause to get to my seats, I have to walk
past Patrick. So when we got blown out on Opening night,
as I was walking past them, I had some words
for him, and then I flipped them off.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
hold on, Nico, When you had words with him and
flipped him off, are you four feet away from him,
ten feet away from him, right in front of his face?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
When I spoke to him, I was directly in front
of him, maybe a foot away, And when I flipped
him off, I had walked away, probably twenty feet. I
was under the basket ish, okay, comparison to where he sits.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
And you can't listen, you can't cuss on the radio.
But did you cuss at this man?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I did not. I told him he was a modern genius.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Okay. So you said he's a modern genius, you smart ass.
You didn't say that.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I did.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I did.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I did sit that.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So did he respond to that?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah he did. He said thanks, I appreciate it, okay.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
And so you walked off, and then you were still
ir and you flipped the bird. Now, if that bird
was a NERF football and you threw it from however
far you were away, that he catched the football, was
the bird delivered?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It absolutely was. He was still looking at me whenever
I turned around and flipped them the bird and he
saw it, and yeah, no, he definitely saw it.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Okay, So now let's fast forward to last night. You know,
every time I've seen Patrick Dumont, he's had a lot
of security around him, and so I'm curious how you
got to just be sitting next to him in the
middle of a game. Did it start the half or
how'd all this come together?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I actually spoke to his security and told them that
I needed to apologize for flipping Patrick ass.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Okay, okay, I want to stop you there too, because
I want to know what was like this. A lot
of time has passed between now and the opening game,
and so is this your first time back to a game,
and why did you have to go talk to him?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
No, this is my this is I've been to one
game since opening night, I believe it was Oklahoma City,
and then I went last night and my dad said
that the next time I saw Patrick at a game,
I was required to apologize.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Good for your dad, I hope you understand that that's
the right thing, right.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, it was. It was immature. It was
a heat of the moment thing. I'm looking back on it.
It was I should not flip Patrick off.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Okay, but it's still you were You had your finger
on the pulse of the Metroplex when you did that.
I'm sure there's a lot of people that would call
you a brave hero for for doing that, but it's
obviously not the right thing to do. So here your
dad does the right thing. It says, hey, you're going
to go apologize to this man, and you sound like
a mature young man, so you're like, okay, I'm gonna
do it. So how did you go about getting past
(04:44):
the security and then what happened?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Uh? Yeah, So I my dad is friends with the
usher that does our seats all we all know.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Her, we all ever. Her name is Tammy Whenever.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
And when I was going to go walk up to Patrick,
I turned around and I looked at Tammy and I go,
I guess I have to go talk to Patrick now.
And the security actually heard me say that and said, no,
you're not allowed. And that's when I explained to him
the situation. And then his security walked up to Patrick
(05:19):
asked him if it was okay for me to come apologize,
and then Patrick said that he wanted me to sit
next to him.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Okay, this is too good. Let's carry this over all, right,
coming up next, let's find out what happened once Nico
Dickison sat down next to Patrick Dumont. We'll do it
next right here on the Eagle, Been and Skin Show
ninety seven point one The Eagle, We're right in the
middle of a conversation with a young man, Nico Dickison,
who's eighteen years old and sat next to Patrick Dumont
(05:45):
last night at the Maverick game. Now, Nico, we were
just talking about this about how long did you actually
sit down there next to mister Dumont? Probably around five minutes,
all right, Tammy's the conversation.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, So I sat down, and you know, if Patrick
had already been informed that that I was there to
apologize for flipping him the birds. So I sat down
and briefly apologized, and then we got to talking about
the Mavericks, and you know, we obviously touched on the
Luca trade, and I explained that I was a very
passionate fan.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I introduced myself to him.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I kind of gave him a little background around myself,
and yeah, we just we talked about the trade. I
talked a little bit about myself. He talked about his
hopes for the Mavericks and yeah, that was that was
the large part of the conversation.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Did he express regret about the trade, as if he
hated that it happened or was a bad decision, or
did he apologize for the trade? What was that all?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
What was that vibe he did?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yeah, he explained that he did what he did thinking
it was best for the franchise, but that looking back
on it, you know, we all make mistakes, and just
his mistake was broadcasting on an international level and you know,
affected a franchise deeply, and it is what it is.
We can't go back on it. But yeah, he expressed
(07:06):
regret for for the trade.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Did he ask you to call him Patrick? Did you
walk up and say, mister Dumont is like, no, by
all means call me Patrick.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
You know I probably should be calling him mister Dumont,
but no, I've I've just been calling him Patrick. He
didn't tell me to call him that, but you're you're right,
I should I should be calling him mister Dumont.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
No, it's it's it's fine. But my question is, did
you walk away from that exchange with him feeling better
about him or liking him or how do you feel
about all of it now?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I think I I honestly, before last night I hated Patrick.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Going into today, I like him.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
You got sugar deed. Would you consider going on a
second date?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah? I think.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
You know, maybe he was just saying the right things,
but I don't think so. I think I think he
he he. I think he has the math's best interest
at mine. You know, he cares about the fans, and
I think we'll be all right.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Did he did he tip his hand that he was
gonna part ways with Nico today at all?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
No?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I mean we had already kind of the mark Stein
headline had already kind of broken, so I didn't really
feel the need to touch on touch on it that much.
I felt like it was already a foregone conclusion by
the time I was sitting next to him. And from
what I've been told, the decision was actually made in
a pregame meeting with Mark Cuban and Rick.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, well that's actually in the mark Stein article today,
So you were told really good information there.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Nico.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Hey, let me ask you, but you know, before we
let you go, how do you feel today as a
Maverick fan moving forward.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Oh, I think it's the I think it's the first
step to you know, rebuilding, rebuilding what we had eighteen
months ago. And I think it's the second day besides
winning the draft lottery. I think it's the second day
since February first that you know, the Mavericks organization has
had a lot of positivity around it. So I'm I'm
really happy, and I think it's I think it's the
(09:04):
first and most important step towards the bright feature for
the Mavericks.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
One last thing, was it it all weird when you
told mister Dumont that your name was.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Nico, I introduced myself as Nicholas.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Okay, good, good move. Yeah, well man, it's very impressive.
I like every part of this. I like the bird,
I like the giving him speak in your mind. I
like the dad work here circling back with you, having
you apologize. I like the fact that you did it,
you went and apologize, and I like the way that
he received the apology. It sounds like it's just a
(09:35):
good story all around. So thank you for taking the
time to jump on the Benskin Show.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, no problem, anytime.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
All right, there, he goes Nico Dickison, The kid who
sat next to Patrick Dumont at the game last night. Incredible.
Get I don't know any other radio show that had
the balls to book that kid on their show. Only
a rock station would do such a thing. Ben, Yeah,
I think that's a feel good story in every way.
I mean, I'm glad he I'm glad he did it.
In some ways, it was disrespectful and inappropriate, but it
(10:02):
echoes how we all feel here in Dallas Fort Worth.
And then at the same time, it's good to come
back and clean up a mistake it say hey, sorry
about that. And I like that it was well received
by Patrick Dumont. And I like that your average eighteen
year old feels comfortably comfortable calling a fifty something year
old billionaire Patrick, right.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I mean, it's just like the world is changing all
around us. I just think that's exceptional parenting. I would
hope that I would send my kiddo right back in
there to apologize if they did such a thing as well.
Absolutely so, really really well done. All right, Coming up next,
where do the Mavericks go from here? We got the
weekly weekday update. Let's just take a look at where
the Mavericks are going to go? From here. We'll do
that next
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