November 10, 2025 • 6 mins
“Would you ever trade Micah Parsons to a division rival if it cost you a first-round pick in 2028?”On this episode of The Ben and Skin Show, Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray tackle the wildest Cowboys revelations yet—from locker room leadership drama to a shocking contract clause that could change the future of the NFC East.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Cowboy Surprise. Do you guys think the Cowboys should have
kept DeMarcus Lawrence. Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I don't remember the money involved, and I was probably
at the time thinking he was washed a little bit,
but I have I did talk to someone with a
former player who still dialed in with the team and
was like, man, losing him hurt a lot in terms
of the leadership in the locker room. And I don't
know how much value you place on that. Some people do,
some people don't, and as hard as outsiders to understand,
(00:43):
but they were just saying, man, he with regard to Micah,
I think he helped a lot with kind of the
circus around Micah. I think he regulated that and I
don't think they were on the titus of terms. So
I think losing him hurt the culture and hurt the
locker room a little bit. But I'm not saying they
should have paid whatever money. Okay, Well, what I was
going to say is, and I don't know how much
money he got either. I don't disagree with a single
(01:05):
thing you just said. However, I don't think that's a
reason to pay At that point in his career. That's
about the time when a defensive Lineman becomes a mercenary
and he goes and helps a team when it's I mean,
we saw it with the other great DeMarcus in Dallas
Cowboys history going to Denver, right to go be with
(01:26):
von Miller, Like that's what happens. He was great for
a long time, but you don't need to keep pumping
high money into guys when they get their thirties. That's
you're supposed to have that pipeline churning.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
The deal was three at thirty two to go to Seattle,
and it looks like you could get out of it
pretty easily without too much. Again, maybe after twenty twenty six,
but he had two touchdowns yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
It's the reason I brought it up for the Seahawks.
Why was he playing on offense? He was playing on defense.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
That's the story. The Seattle Seahawks did too. Jacoby Brissett
and the Arizona Cardinals. What the Cowboys could not do
to them, got to the quarterback just wrecked the whole
show and prove that Jacoby Brissett's not that great.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, I was wondering about that, like what's gonna happen
with Kyler Not because they basically said it's Brissette's job
and their franchise quarterback over there is all five two
of them going, wait what.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
They're moving on from Kyler? He plays too much call
of duty? And how good is Seattle? They're kind of awesome, okay?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
And no one wants to say that Sam Donald and
Daniel Jones are quarterbacking the two best teams in the league. Yeah,
that might be what's happening. The local receiver, oh, Jackson
Smith and Jicky maybe the best receiver in football.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
There's no reason, though, for everyone to act like it's
crazy that Sam Donald and Daniel Jones are good, because
they were supposed to be good and it's not that
uncommon for quarterbacks and bad situations. You know what's hard
on a young quarterback Being on a team that sucks
like that ain't easy. So a guy like Dak was
(02:58):
able to walk into an amazing situation with no expectations.
Guys that are picked in the top three that go
to horrible teams.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
They were going, why is this guy so well?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I mean, he doesn't know the league yet and there's
a guy in his nuts as soon as he snaps
the ball. That's hard to be good. And we're way
too quick to give up on those guys. Yeah. Oh
he's a bust, right, So you know, I don't think
it's outrageous that these guys are good.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
In better football situation.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Twenty twenty two Carolina Panthers are quite a story because
they had six starts from Baker Mayfield, six starts from
Sam Darnold, and five starts from a guy named PJ.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Walker, who just a guy.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
But you know, they don't end up there, and they
bounce around to two or three other places and they
stick somewhere.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I mean, Daniel Jones is not that surprising to me
because he got out of New York. In the minute
you get out of New York, things go really good.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
There were things that when we played the Giants, there
were things that he would do. I'd be like, my god,
he's got a lot of ability and then he'd turn
around and make it a horrible throw whatever. But he
is so athletic and made some ridiculous throws, So I
don't think it's that he's good.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
So we do have Packers and Eagles for Monday Night
Football tonight. And it's a little uh ironic because the
story that dropped yesterday was about a poison pill clause
that was put in the Cowboys trade when they traded
Michael Parsons. So the idea is that if the Packers
were to try to move Michael Parsons at any point
(04:22):
before twenty twenty eight, if they moved him to a
team in the division, the Eagles is who were all thinking, clearly,
if they tried to move him in the division, then
the Packers would owe Dallas their twenty twenty eight first
round draft pick.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
That's interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
So obviously the Packers would not trade him to the Giants, Eagles,
or Washington Commanders unless they got back a lot more
but in return. Also it was used on Kenny Clark.
So if the Cowboys traded Kenny Clark to an NFC
North team Packers, Bears, Lions, Vikings, they would owe the
(04:57):
Packers their twenty twenty eight first round pick. So you
just cross your fingers and hope that Jerry remembers that
this class happens and they don't do something crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
That's funny if even if he's traded back to the Packers,
because I'm like, I wanted to trade him back to
the Packers. I thought that might actually work at the deadline.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I mean, I guess now knowing this now, it wouldn't
have worked. But like the idea of him ending up
back in Green May makes a lot of sense. I
don't see how you have sixty million dollars in your
defensive tackles next year. No, and that's what you would
have if you have Kenny Clark. Oh so Digie Zooa
and Quentin Williams you had me.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
But also you could restructure Kenny Clark Steele if he
wanted to be a Dallas cowboy. His agent, his agent
probably wants him on the open market. But man, I've
been thinking a lot about your suggestion of playing a
three four just because of the types of players that
we have. I think that, I mean, you obviously have
to have a defensive coordinator that would be into that,
(05:51):
but I think like those are three really good players.
I don't think you would get run on and when
the beauty of the three four is that you the
quarterback never really knows where the outside pass rush is
coming from. Like Ezeraku would be a badass three four linebacker.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Ezerraku, Sam Williams, Dante Fowler, James Houston all would be
great three four and you know who would have been
a good three fourtyfn Vincent would have been marsha On Neeland,
which sucks.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
And I that's the whole thing too.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Like eriflus could, is he gonna make a big change
in a bye week? I don't know, And especially given
like something like that happens too, it doesn't wonder if
it makes you stop your plans for a second on
making some big changes. But Cowboys next Monday night against
the Las Vegas we have Packers Eagles tonight.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
All right, coming up next?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
How your privacy could be violated while Christmas shopping this year,
that's
Cowboy Surprise. Do you guys think the Cowboys should have
kept DeMarcus Lawrence. Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I don't remember the money involved, and I was probably
at the time thinking he was washed a little bit,
but I have I did talk to someone with a
former player who still dialed in with the team and
was like, man, losing him hurt a lot in terms
of the leadership in the locker room. And I don't
know how much value you place on that. Some people do,
some people don't, and as hard as outsiders to understand,
(00:43):
but they were just saying, man, he with regard to Micah,
I think he helped a lot with kind of the
circus around Micah. I think he regulated that and I
don't think they were on the titus of terms. So
I think losing him hurt the culture and hurt the
locker room a little bit. But I'm not saying they
should have paid whatever money. Okay, Well, what I was
going to say is, and I don't know how much
money he got either. I don't disagree with a single
(01:05):
thing you just said. However, I don't think that's a
reason to pay At that point in his career. That's
about the time when a defensive Lineman becomes a mercenary
and he goes and helps a team when it's I mean,
we saw it with the other great DeMarcus in Dallas
Cowboys history going to Denver, right to go be with
(01:26):
von Miller, Like that's what happens. He was great for
a long time, but you don't need to keep pumping
high money into guys when they get their thirties. That's
you're supposed to have that pipeline churning.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
The deal was three at thirty two to go to Seattle,
and it looks like you could get out of it
pretty easily without too much. Again, maybe after twenty twenty six,
but he had two touchdowns yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
It's the reason I brought it up for the Seahawks.
Why was he playing on offense? He was playing on defense.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
That's the story. The Seattle Seahawks did too. Jacoby Brissett
and the Arizona Cardinals. What the Cowboys could not do
to them, got to the quarterback just wrecked the whole
show and prove that Jacoby Brissett's not that great.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, I was wondering about that, like what's gonna happen
with Kyler Not because they basically said it's Brissette's job
and their franchise quarterback over there is all five two
of them going, wait what.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
They're moving on from Kyler? He plays too much call
of duty? And how good is Seattle? They're kind of awesome, okay?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
And no one wants to say that Sam Donald and
Daniel Jones are quarterbacking the two best teams in the league. Yeah,
that might be what's happening. The local receiver, oh, Jackson
Smith and Jicky maybe the best receiver in football.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
There's no reason, though, for everyone to act like it's
crazy that Sam Donald and Daniel Jones are good, because
they were supposed to be good and it's not that
uncommon for quarterbacks and bad situations. You know what's hard
on a young quarterback Being on a team that sucks
like that ain't easy. So a guy like Dak was
(02:58):
able to walk into an amazing situation with no expectations.
Guys that are picked in the top three that go
to horrible teams.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
They were going, why is this guy so well?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I mean, he doesn't know the league yet and there's
a guy in his nuts as soon as he snaps
the ball. That's hard to be good. And we're way
too quick to give up on those guys. Yeah. Oh
he's a bust, right, So you know, I don't think
it's outrageous that these guys are good.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
In better football situation.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Twenty twenty two Carolina Panthers are quite a story because
they had six starts from Baker Mayfield, six starts from
Sam Darnold, and five starts from a guy named PJ.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Walker, who just a guy.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
But you know, they don't end up there, and they
bounce around to two or three other places and they
stick somewhere.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I mean, Daniel Jones is not that surprising to me
because he got out of New York. In the minute
you get out of New York, things go really good.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
There were things that when we played the Giants, there
were things that he would do. I'd be like, my god,
he's got a lot of ability and then he'd turn
around and make it a horrible throw whatever. But he
is so athletic and made some ridiculous throws, So I
don't think it's that he's good.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
So we do have Packers and Eagles for Monday Night
Football tonight. And it's a little uh ironic because the
story that dropped yesterday was about a poison pill clause
that was put in the Cowboys trade when they traded
Michael Parsons. So the idea is that if the Packers
were to try to move Michael Parsons at any point
(04:22):
before twenty twenty eight, if they moved him to a
team in the division, the Eagles is who were all thinking, clearly,
if they tried to move him in the division, then
the Packers would owe Dallas their twenty twenty eight first
round draft pick.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
That's interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
So obviously the Packers would not trade him to the Giants, Eagles,
or Washington Commanders unless they got back a lot more
but in return. Also it was used on Kenny Clark.
So if the Cowboys traded Kenny Clark to an NFC
North team Packers, Bears, Lions, Vikings, they would owe the
(04:57):
Packers their twenty twenty eight first round pick. So you
just cross your fingers and hope that Jerry remembers that
this class happens and they don't do something crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
That's funny if even if he's traded back to the Packers,
because I'm like, I wanted to trade him back to
the Packers. I thought that might actually work at the deadline.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I mean, I guess now knowing this now, it wouldn't
have worked. But like the idea of him ending up
back in Green May makes a lot of sense. I
don't see how you have sixty million dollars in your
defensive tackles next year. No, and that's what you would
have if you have Kenny Clark. Oh so Digie Zooa
and Quentin Williams you had me.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
But also you could restructure Kenny Clark Steele if he
wanted to be a Dallas cowboy. His agent, his agent
probably wants him on the open market. But man, I've
been thinking a lot about your suggestion of playing a
three four just because of the types of players that
we have. I think that, I mean, you obviously have
to have a defensive coordinator that would be into that,
(05:51):
but I think like those are three really good players.
I don't think you would get run on and when
the beauty of the three four is that you the
quarterback never really knows where the outside pass rush is
coming from. Like Ezeraku would be a badass three four linebacker.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Ezerraku, Sam Williams, Dante Fowler, James Houston all would be
great three four and you know who would have been
a good three fourtyfn Vincent would have been marsha On Neeland,
which sucks.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
And I that's the whole thing too.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Like eriflus could, is he gonna make a big change
in a bye week? I don't know, And especially given
like something like that happens too, it doesn't wonder if
it makes you stop your plans for a second on
making some big changes. But Cowboys next Monday night against
the Las Vegas we have Packers Eagles tonight.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
All right, coming up next?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
How your privacy could be violated while Christmas shopping this year,
that's
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