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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:01):
But right now it's time for this. This thing is big,
all right. We all liked it, right.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
The HBO documentary about yacht rock is a Bill Simmons production,
The Music Box, Me and Christine.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
They finally got to it last night. I know you
guys saw it over the break.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Do you guys know those other Music Box documentaries? Have
you seen any of those? I haven't got there yet.
There's one that's really good about Atlantis Morsat. There's one
about like Woodstock ninety nine. That one, Yeah, yeah, watch
that one. Yeah, they're all good. I mean they do
a good job with that. Yeah, I thought that. I
thought they I thought it was great. In the first
three minutes, you're pulled in just of how they're using
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yacht rock and showing pop culture references to make fun
of it. My favorite line this is in the first
five minutes too, was quest left saying, yacht rock for
me growing up was there whenever I wanted it and
whenever I didn't want it. I was like, that have
a perfect description of how I feel about yacht rock too.
It was just so for people of mine and Ben's age,
it was everywhere and it was. It was what they
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played on the radio when they weren't playing disco. You know,
disco got crazy popular, mainly because of the Saren Night
Fever soundtrack. It just took it to another level. And
so when they were playing for pop music, when they
were playing fast music, when they were playing disco, when
they were playing everything else, they were playing yacht rock
or the occasional ballad like Debbie Boon or something like that.
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But that's what pop music was in the late seventies.
It was disco, yacht rock, and ballads. And are we
talking about seventy seven to eighty two. I think that's
kind of the sweet spot. You can make arguments that
yacht rock kind of got it going in seventy five,
seventy four somewhere in there. But like when it's everywhere
and they kind of have one particular song that, you know,
I'm sure Kati will bring up that made it go everywhere.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
That was probably seventy eight or somewhere in there. What'd
you think Christina is a rocker? I uh no, I
loved it.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
So I didn't like yacht rock until probably a few
years ago, but now I love what a fool believes
and so one of my favorite parts of the entire
documentary was the behind the scenes, like how the songs
were written, and also real quick side note because Chrisopher
Cross love him now. I thought it was funny that
he said ride like the wind. He's like, we were
on a road trip. I took some mascid and then
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there were the lyrics and it's like this huge hit.
I thought that was hilarious. Anyway, he looked weird. I
was like, I never knew what he looked like. And
then seeing him, I go, wait a minute, is that
Luke colmbs. No, that's that's what he's singing. That's what
his boys sign sounds like. But yeah, I really enjoyed
the stories behind these huge songs that I've heard forever.
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And then also it was really just like an old
an ode to the studio musician, because the studio musician
never really gets they never really get the attention that
they deserved. They are the people who are the badasses
who go in the studio and make sure it all
sounds crisp and clean.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
They don't go out on tour.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
So that was cool, and you know, the steely dang
guy all getting together and Toto especially like, oh wait,
we can all do this ourselves and not hire someone cool. Okay,
So yeah, I loved it. I was fascinated the whole
time to.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
The Toto story is great. It is because there's geniuses. Yeah,
those guys are great and a lot and three of
them were brothers. And the guy who really broke out
was the drummer. He was getting studio work, he was
playing on Steee Dan and all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
But Toto very much was a studio project.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And it's also you know, if you look at those guys,
none of them are particularly hip looking, you know, and
so they're not like rock stars or anything. But I
think if people know Toto, they know Rosanna and they
know Africa. But there was you know, there was Toto
hits that were more quote unquote yacht rock before me.
You know that Toto four record. I think Ben and
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I are probably eleven when it came out, and.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
It was everywhere.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
That's the old Africa, Africa and Rosanna both Okay, because
yeah they were they were. That was a great story.
I loved he hearing that that it was almost like
a throwaway song. Yeah, they didn't think it was going
to be big and then it was massive and the
lyrics were so half assed, so random.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
They didn't know. It's kind of half ass too.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Nobody had any idea what the Serengetti desert was.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
But I don't know what he was saying about, but
he was very passionate about it.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
It was very worldly.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
But it was white guys, the whitest guys ever singing
about Africa.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I think it wasn't until the video came out that
they're like, oh wait, we just culturally appropriated something. We
weren't even gonna put it on the album though, like
we didn't think about it.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
It was the last song on the album. I think
there's a couple of things.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Obviously, Michael McDonald largely the star of this, I think,
although there's a lot of there's a lot of moving
parts here. But the idea that the term yacht rock
came from comedians making a web series before YouTube existed,
and blew my mind.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
You have no idea.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, the term didn't exist until that web series and
me and Ben were talking about this earlier today on
the super Soaker if you ever check out our YouTube channel.
But the way that those guys, those comedians discovered that
music and came up with that term is very much
something that I used to spend a lot of time
in the nineties doing. I would go to half price
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books and records, or I would go to a thrift
store whatever, and I would find if a record cover
looked interesting to me, I would turn it over and
start reading the credits, and then if I recognize names
of engineers or producers or session musicians, I'd be like, Oh,
that guy's dope. I bet this dollar record's good. And
so I would buy a lot of records that were
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one dollar, two dollars, three dollars based on the credits
and the year and the record label. And that's how
those guys discovered this concept in their head of what
yacht rock was, and that whole web series was, Oh
my god, Michael McDonald's like on every one of these records,
and Perco's playing drums on everyone, And so they created
this funny series. If you ever go watch it, it's
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really funny based on looking at the back of records.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Which is to me, yeah, I thought that was really cool.
It was.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
It also was pretty fascinating, just the whole catching lightning
in a bottle aspect of it because it was so hot,
and if you just had the same musicians and you
put Michael McDonald on it, somehow you were going to
have a number one hit in America and then poof,
it was gone overnight. And then some of those guys
never found any level of success at all after that.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Ever again there's music videos.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, music videos kill it because those guys weren't hippolis. Yeah,
there's one really cool thing that happens at the end,
and we won't give it away, but about as these
guys get older, you know who made it who died off.
Kenny Loggins had a whole second life as a guy
that did you know, I hated.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
All those songs in the eighties like footloas dude.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
I loved Cat, I loved him. I loved Footloose, and
I love Caddy Shack. Well, that's different.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
That was That was probably nineteen eighty and that's what
launched him into that realm. But I'm all right is
pretty much on the tail end of the yacht rock spectrum.
But like when he's doing top Gun and Footloose and
all that I.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Couldn't I could create. Footloose was so good.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I mean, danger Zone every high school band played that. Yeah,
it probably does, you know. I again, I could be
wrong on this. The guy that he did Danger Zone
with is Georgie Moroder, who is the father of electronic disco,
which is the Donna Summers song I Feel Love that
you've heard a million times. That's an Italian guy working
with an arpeggiated synthesizer.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah, dude, it's it's a terrible song that I love.
It's so awesome, so magic. You went to the Danger Zone? Yeah,
I went took the highway there.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, no stopping on the highway when you go to
the danger And that was interesting, Like Michael McDonald's in
there talking like I didn't think I was pretty much
okay with I had a good career in the seventies
early eighties and we'll see what's next life.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
That's like, yeah, that was mind blowing. I mean, you
cut you off.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
But him saying it was kind of tough to get work.
He didn't really know if anything was secure, And I'm like,
Michael McDonald was in a spot where he wasn't sure
what was gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Made me feel better about myself. I believe he was
actually selling tires for a while, rotating them, you know,
doing all of it. You know it's uh hip hop
thing hits and there you go. Yeah, they their life
comes back because people are sampling them. You know what's
funny too, is like our buddy Chuck Cooperstein that is
the play by play voice of the Dallas Mavericks that
you'll hear tonight. He likes Southern rock like that's his jam.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
So for a guy like Coop, Michael McDonald ruined the
Doobie Brothers. For a guy like me, Michael McDonald made
the Doobie Brothers listenable. Why he was he joined them later,
He joined them late, and he actually joined them because
uh Jeff Skunk Baxter recommended Michael McDonald to the Doobie
Brothers because he had worked with him on Steelee Dan stuff,
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and so he.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Learned their music right quick.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
But you can hear like it's like a like a
seismic event. When he joins the band, their sound changes overnight,
like old Doovie Brothers is China Grove, Like you guys
know that song chick It that doesn't sound like minute
by minute or what a Fool Believes or any of
that stuff. And he was the lead singer, or they
alternated so they had different singers. But when he came
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in and now is the thing too, that like when
I went back, you know, you have memories of the.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Stuff as you as a kid.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
But then when they brought the yacht Rock Channel on
satellite radio and I started red listening to this stuff
all over again.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
And that's when I started joking.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
That Michael McDonald was the most important white man in
America from nineteen seventy seven to nineteen eighty two, because
if you put on the yacht Rock Channel, he will
be on three out of every four songs.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I am not exaggerating. Like they even talked about song
steal Away where like they were just imitating him.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Is in the title, and so quest love.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Is he like the ambassador, one of the keepers of
yacht rock or what he's got some ultimate playlist?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I think, yeah, that was part of it.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
But I think also he fancies himself like a music
historian of all different kinds of things. And he has
a podcast he does and he had Michael McDonald on
it about five or six years ago.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Is really good.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
But that guy, do you guys know who Thundercat is
that they argued, I know the name, I don't know.
Thundercat is a part of this whole La jazz soul
revival movie. Like he does stuff with Eric Abadu. Okay,
and if you've ever heard Kumasi washing for the Strokes
and the Chili Peppers, Yeah, he's an extraordinary bass player.
But he and they showed him doing that song you
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did with Michael McDonald and Kenny Loggins. But they kind
of pump new life back into it. It's like a rediscovery.
Same thing with Warren g sampling it or whatever. It's
just a rediscovery of what this great music was that
time forgot and then you bring it back. You're like, man,
that stuff is really really cool. So anyways, thumbs up
all around. It's on HBO Max plus HBO. Yup, that's
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not a real app that's gonna do it for today.
Thank you for hanging with us. Don't forget. Later we
have Dallas Mavericks basketball against the Memphis Grizzlies. It's the
Emirates Cup. It's a big deal. We got an hour
of k Ray playing music. But I'll never forget that
time that Kevin Turner got to go to that Strokes
Thundercat concert. He took the microphone and he said bank
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people who know how to code think they can do
some stuff, boy, and that got the crowd.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Wild k Ray is next right here on the Eagle.
Here you going well, but I gotta take a poop