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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When you need wisdom and advice. Seek out a guru
when you need wisdom and advice about remodeling and design.
Lock on and listen right now to Nick the construction Guru.
Here is award winning remodeling expert Nick Kerzner.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Stock eleven thirty WSN. Good morning, Nick the Construction Group.
I am so excited. I have guru virgins here today,
first time show. I have John and Liz name here
from Namy Construction, and we are going to be talking
about because you guys are so active in Nary about
the fall remodeling show on October sixteenth and seventeenth.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Right, uh ninety.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I just looked at the you know what I just
looked at. I came in here, I was driving in
and I saw the billboard. Okay, and I swear it
said the sixteenth and the seventeenth. But thanks for correcting me.
That's why I keep yeah. Yeah, it's well, you know,
my eyes aren't as good as when I'm wearing sunglasses.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Tell us a little bit about about your business. First.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
We are a design, buildery modeling firm. I started the
business back in nineteen ninety six, so next year will
be our twentieth or thirtieth annivers which president then I
am president?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Who was President of the United State?
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Then?
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Oh my god, I have no idea, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Because that really puts it into perspective when people think
ninety six doesn't sound that long agoing to me, But
it's a lot it is.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
It is a long time. Yeah, yeah, we'll have to
look that up to see who actually was President's Teddy
Teddy Roosevelt.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
But yea find out.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
But yeah, we're growing, and you know, it's good to
be on the show. You know, everything's going well. We
just bought a new building in uh Franklin on Saint
Martin's Road, so we're working on that. And well, you know,
you and I met.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I think we met at the shows, I believe so.
And we have been kind of fixtures at Mary for
a long time. And you guys have been involved probably
I think it's one of the biggest committees at NAIRY
is the show committee.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
You guys take care of all the shows.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Right correct, Yep, we do the home improvement shows, the
spring and the Fall show. I got involved in that
a long time ago, and then they asked me to
be the chairman and I took over in December right
before COVID hit and twenty was at twenty two, I
try and forget it, I know, and it was like,
(02:45):
you know, we had our spring show and then COVID
hit the fan, and it was like, oh my gosh,
what did I get myself involved in? You know, this
is the worst time to be the chairman of the show.
But you know, we made it through. We had all
of our shows, we downsized, we protected the public, and
we did what we needed to do to keep on going.
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And I mean basically that's what you have to do
when you own any kind of business. I know, I
just keep chugging along.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And so now, Liz, you're going to be taken over eventually, Yes, yeah,
at Naming Construction.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
So tell us a little bit about your history.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
I've been when I was a little kid, I'd go
on job sites. He'd go check on job sites and
I was right there wanting to go with him. And
then when I was five or six, I tiled our
bathroom at our house, and then I've always had a
nick Ford and then eleven year old as when I
was eleven, I taught Eagle Scouts how to drywall wow
blood drywall, and they didn't want to listen to me
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because I'm a little eleven year old girl telling them
what to do.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
They go to John.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
And you know what's funny about that, being an old
guy in the business, women have really stepped up to
the plate in this business. And you know, at first
I was a little apprehensive. I honestly, you know, us old.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Chauvin's guy, that's right.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
But then you know, I watched the competitions with the
different schools, and I remember the year that the girls
won and the guys roll walking around with her. It
was I forget what school it was, do you remember?
Speaker 5 (04:13):
No, it was all girls. Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It was all girls, women, carpenters, designers, all of that.
So and now it's not uncommon.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I bet it's.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
It's close to probably fifty percent women owned businesses now, right.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Which is excellent. I mean, we need to get more
involved more young people in general. Yeah, you know, and
I know Narry is very involved in the Next Gen
Trade Challenge, which is a high school competition, and we're
involved in that, and they're going to have a deal
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in the Spring Show.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
Right spring show, They're going to have kind of like
a playground area where different high schools are going to
be building different stuff. So I know some are making
like a full play gym like set, some are building
cornhole b like cornhole, they're making an aerondack chairs and
there's all going to be a nice little seated area in.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
That's a competition, correct, ye, So there's there's criteria.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
We did one last year where they all made greenhouses,
but we realized some high schools aren't set up as
better as others, so we want to make it kind
of more fair for them. So they're all doing building
stuff that's more adequate for what they're capable of.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
But they all have.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Different criteria that they have to meet, and then there's
nary members judge them, and then there's they get judged
and there's winners and if you want.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
To if you want to learn more about that, I
know Narry Foundation does the scholarships and things like that,
and we maybe talk about that on another show because
that's a real important introduction to.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
The traides for people.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And you know, today a college education just isn't as
valuable as it used to be.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Today. It's the trades are where it's going to be.
There's no two ways about it. You can't make robots
and AI that do that yet.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
That's very true. Well, and not every young person is
cut out for college, nor do they want to go
to college, and we find that all the time. You know,
we've been involved in the high schools, in the apprenticeship programs,
and Liz has been involved with them, and I mean
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that's the future of our industry.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It's all tied in focusing on all of that. Tell
me a little bit now. The dates of the show.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Again October eighteenth, noon to eight, Saturday October nineteen ten
to seven, and Sunday, October twenty nine to five. And
I know on Sunday, the last two hours of it
is free, so there's no cost to get in. Just
so it's during the Packer game, so non football fans
have a little more better reason to come in, and
you can walk around and not be too busy because
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there's a packer.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Well what a great idea you guys came up with
with that, Yeah, because that was usually a time when
things kind of died down a little bit, right, And
how much do you say? How much is it to
get into the show?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Now?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Eight dollars.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
You can go online at Narrymlwaukee dot org. Slash Fall
show and it's eight dollars online and then ten dollars
at the door, and then adults sixty plus or eight
dollars at the door and free admission for children ages
seventeen and younger, and then veterans, active duty military, first
responders and medical personnel show an idea and they have
free admissions.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
They've always done that respected the first ross absolutely. What
are the highlights of the show list this year?
Speaker 6 (07:20):
The big one is there we are doing a whole
area about a basement and we're going to showcase different
things you can do in a basement.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
You know what, the we had that.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Big flood, a lot of basements got ruined, and in
the Midwest, basements are a big things. So having different
I know there's going to be like a sauna, a bar,
of course, because you're in the Midwest. You can't have
a basement without a bar, a home theater, which has
been new like kind of up and coming. More people
are doing that, and then like a play space, but
then also showing generators and egress windows, and then also
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ever Dry will have stuff there that will show you
how to kind of protect your basement, but then also
know what you're looking at to looking for when looking
at your basements, see water damage and how to fix
it the best.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Now there's a whole section dedicated to Yes.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
There, I think it's forty by eighty or there's a
big space, so it's all we're kind of going to
break it up so you can see the different rooms.
But then different NARRY members are putting together the different
areas as well, so all NARRY members are kind of
getting involved.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
To me, you can kind of walk through this simulated basement,
you know, and get some ideas of what can be done. No,
we haven't put it together yet.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Oh you haven't.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Okay, the bar is gonna look great because I just
we're building that, so it's good. But and then we're
also actually having a wall with jerseys from the different
high schools to promote the next train challenge in the
next show.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
So yeah, So, I mean a lot of times we
go out and we talk to customers and they're like, well,
what can we do in our basement? And my answer
is what do you wanted to? Guy? Absolutely these days,
I mean before it was paneling on the wall and
some carpet and you called it a day. And now
our philosophy is let's make the basement look and feel
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like the rest of your house.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Well, I know, you know back in the day, and
just because you brought it up. When we started doing
basements and some of the older houses, the problem was
with the carpeting and the paneling. You had that musty smell.
There was that moist you know. Today, there's so many
different systems that can take care of all of that.
I have absolutely even when they started coming up with
the radon, radon systems actually helped dry out basements too.
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So there's all kinds of things. And the reason I
bring that up, John and Liz is because I think
that a lot of people look at their basement they go, ah,
this really isn't conducives about doing anything with You'd be
surprised what you can do, even in an old like
I did one in West Allie Low headroom yep. Turned
out beautiful. It creates a whole new living space. You
don't have to go through the hassle of a permit
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for an addition. With an egress windows you brought up, Liz,
you can add a bedroom. There's all kinds of things
you can do and there'll be contractors at the Nry
show to talk about what the possibilities are even for
an older basement.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Right absolutely, I mean everybody, well I shouldn't say everybody,
but you know, ninety nine percent of the homes in
Wisconsin do have basement and a lot of times that space.
If you have fifteen hundred square feet of a home upstairs,
you have that fifteen hundred in the basement, and why
not utilize that space. You can actually, you know, double
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the size of your home just by finishing off that basement.
And like you said, it is a lot more monetarily
efficient to do that than adding fifteen hundred score foot
in an addition, right right, I agree.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
So outside of the basement stuff, what else are we
going to see at the show? Do you guys have
some some flavors of who's going to be there.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Well, there's a wide variety of Nary members and there's
some other nonnary members. But I mean, if you're coming
there to look for, you know, any tight of remodeling, kitchens, bathrooms,
there'll be some electricians and heating contractors and plumbing and
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flooring and just a wide variety sighting and roofing and absolutely.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Anything that anywhere you can touch your house.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Someone there can interior, exterior absolutely yep.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
And landscaping, so any part of your house there will
be someone there that can do something.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
So a major remodel or a minor remodel. This is
a good show to come to.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Absolutely, it's a smaller show than our spring show, but
this is going to give you an opportunity to walk
around and connect with people and actually, you know, make
those connections and you know, figure out who you want
to work with. There's a lot of good contractors. I mean,
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come in and talk to us. We're in Booth three
twenty five. And if it's something that we don't personally do,
we can send you in the right direction to see
there's other.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
John keep trying to bring up such a good point
because part of it is, you know, on the Internet,
you don't get to talk and get the communication style
of the contractor. Here at the Nary Show, you're gonna
be able to do that. Let's we're gonna take a
short break and when we come back, we'll tell you
again the dates of the show, and then I want
to talk about why it's advantageous to do business with
a NARY member. Fair enough, absolutely all right, News talk
eleven thirty W. I s N we would return after
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these messages. HU just talk eleven thirty WS and returning
from break. It's Nick the construction Guru.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
If you're thinking about a remodeling project. I say it
in every show, get a few opinions. Make one of
those hours. We'd love to come out and talk to
you about a home renovation. Whether it's a small job
or a big I guess it's no job too big
or small.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
We do them good or not at all. That's how
we say it.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Absolutely. I tell customers we'll come out, we'll put one
window in your house, we'll do a drywall repair, and
if you need a thousand square foot edition, we can
do that.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
And then yeah, anything between.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
And you know, this is the thing with I don't
know if it's all Nary members, but the Narry members
that I talk to, you start that relationship with a
customer I'm doing. I'm doing a ninth ninth project for
a client right now. I've known them since I was
a young man, and you do. And that's why I look.
I look for, you know, auto mechanics that are family
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run businesses because like like with you guys, that generation
the next generation's coming up, and they know what to
expect and they know the.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Quality of the guy absolutely.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
So I wanted when we went on break, John Liz,
I wanted to talk a little bit about why a
NARY member. I want to make sure that people understand
what they get from a NARY member that they don't
get from the other guys. Because there's a lot of
companies out there that are just starting up. Some are good,
some maybe not so good. But why does why does
somebody want to deal with a member of the National
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Association of the Rena Honey Industry.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Well, with dealing with a NARY member, you're going to
have that knowledge right up front that you're talking to
somebody who knows what they're doing. NARY members are vetted,
there's a rigorous plan that they have to go through,
there's criteria that they have to meet, you know, and
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by dealing with a NARY member, you're going to have
that organization actually cover your back as a consumer, because
if you do have a problem or an issue neary
will help you resolve that.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Well.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
And you know, Nick, We've always had jobs. Not every
job goes perfectly. You run into some problems, but it's
how you address those problems. That makes the difference.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
You know, and the other thing NARY does. And again,
I always a lot of people say, what's NEARRY. It's
the National Association of the Remodeling Industry. Chris Agner's been
kicking me in the teeth or not saying it that
way because he wants people to know who it is.
But and Chris was a national president and I think
he's been on the show several times. But also protects
the contractors from the standpoint that there's certified remodelers that
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go through additional training, there's all kinds of meetings for contractors.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
To go to LARN.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I know that I get to live vicariously through other
people's problems because I'm on the ethics committee, so I
get to see some of the things not to do
in some of the solutions that work and don't work.
So members of NARY have kind of a shoe in
And I know this. I know you appreciate this because
Narry's been a big part of your training too.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Hasn't it.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Oh yeah, I've been. I've been going to Narry show
since I was born. But kind of imagine that really literally, I'm.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
Twenty four years old. I probably have forty eight Narry
shows under my belt.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
So we go to Disney World, you take your kids
to the Narry show.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I'm kidding.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Well, we would have a routine when they were in school.
I'd pick them up from school. My wife Diane was
at the show running the booth. We would stop at
Sammy's and we'd get a snack, and then we would
go to the Narry show and.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Sam and I would be doing our homework in the
booth while our parents are running the show.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
So isn't that funny?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
You know, It's that's the life of owning your own
business and you make it work. And consequently, I mean,
she's been involved and now she's involved in the home
show committees, and it's funny to listen at the committee
shows or the show committees, i should say, and they're
talking about, well, you know we used to have you know,
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years ago home deeople had the kids could build bird houses,
and she'd chime in, well, I remember building one of
those bird houses, and the other members are looking at
her like, really.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You know what's funny is that the boomers are are dying.
It's going away, Okay, it's just the way it is
and we're talking and the ones that aren't that are tired.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
So the new generations coming in and they're coming in
with a completely different communication style, completely different eyes on
ideas on marketing. And I think that's going to be
evidence that this show, because I've been to a lot
of shows, but we've never had an area dedicated to
one part of We did something on home theaters many
years ago, but this is this is going to show
you not only home theaters but pretty much everything you
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can do. Is there a fitness room in there?
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Two, there's a craft room, there's a home theater, there's
like a turf area that's like kind of a play
like playroom for kids, and then egress and a sauna
is going to be there.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
And then so the sauna area would be something to
be connected to fitness too.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Absolutely. You know you can put a golf simulator in
the basement and there's I mean just it's the sky
is opening a wine cellar. What do you want to done?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I just think do you think that you know, you
talked about COVID, John, do you think a lot of
this I've noticed it. I want to see if you
did and I'm going to kind of give it away,
but I noticed that people are spending a lot more
time on backyard areas, basements and creating an area where
they can stay at home rather than go to an
entertainment complex. Like. The kitchens today are so and I
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know you see this. We always put ranges in you
you put in a thirty inch range. Today they're putting
in these high BTU cookers, absolutely, deep fryers, all kinds
of things are going in the kitchen because people are
staying Homey, it's back to home, right it is?
Speaker 5 (18:14):
You know, And I don't know how many primary bathrooms
and suites that we've done, you know that have more
of a spa feel to it than you know, just
a shower and a sink. And you know, the sky
is the limit.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
We do dictatory modeling projects. List who in the family.
Who is it?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
That's still John, I'm still.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
I mean the customers, It depends, but I don't even
know for more women.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
For me, I agree one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Sometimes the guys will be like, yeah, that I want
this kind of idea, but it's always for me.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
If it's a garage, a basement, it's the guy running.
But otherwise, because you bring up the bathroom, you know
today the wife is saying, no, I want this. You know,
they used to get that little vanity where they tuck
under there and try and put their makeup on. Today
you have five or six different types of lighting in
a bathroom for different makeup applications. Same thing with the kitchen.
You have stations for coffee, you have a station for
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cooking preparation, all of that stuff. The women are really
getting involved. I think a lot of that's driven by HGTV,
right absolutely. But the nice thing about this is you're
going to be able to talk to contractors that do
it all and specialty. I know, even like protecting gutters
from leaves. There's going to be a bunch of guys
there that do that. Replacement windows, as you said, is
the exterior remodels, roofing, siding, windows, doors, all that kind
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of stuff. Do you guys have a sampling of who
else is going to be there.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
I know, IQ Automation they're doing the home in home
theater and they do more spark systems and all that stuff,
which is always everyone wants to know about that. So
I know, hell, he's doing the theater in the basement area.
But I know he'll have a booth as well, which
is always good, right.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I know that now it's you know, it used to
be a rich man's sport. I say, Man, I don't
mean that rich person's for automation. Home automation opening up
the drapes at a certain time. Today, that's all affordable
for homeowners certainly. I mean, you can run your entire house,
or at least Liz can. I can't because.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
I'm not that confident in my phone's abilities. You know,
I still use my phone to make phone calls and
text stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Now you lose your phone, and you lose all your medical.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Records, everything, your whole life is gone. But yeah, I mean,
you know we're moving in that direction. And hey, John,
we've moved well, we have, like you are correct, You
are correct. You know we are already there.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And to your point and to the point of not
only the show but your company. Now you have fresh
blood in there, and you know, there's the old ways
that are still very valuable how we do things, the
discipline it takes to do the work. But the new
stuff that the younger generations are getting to with home automation, lighting,
new appliances, all of that kind of stuff. My wife
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is doing selections now, Lynn, so she's she's ten years
younger than me. Lucky me, right, yep, absolutely, that would
have been a crime years ago. But anyway, you know,
she has completely different ideas on kitchen and lighting and
things like that. And I'm sure that Liz is bringing
that too. And you're thinking, you hate to say it
because you kind of want to be in control, but hey,
that's a.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Good You're right, that's a good idea.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
And even automation with computers as far as running the
business and being more efficient, right.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Well, there are so many more products out there, I know,
you know to do all of hers. It is. I
mean thirty years ago when we started, there was less
choices for consumers, which made our life a little easier.
But now there's so many more choices and you really
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do need to keep up with those.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
That's going to see a lot of those at the show.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Absolutely. I mean there's a lot of displays out of tops.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Let's go through some of it.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Countertops, windows, windows, doors. The window and door thing is
it used to be double hungs and slidess. Now there's
so many different kinds of windows, so many even bath fans.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
There's bath fans. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
It's insane to me that pick up the humidity and say, okay,
it's time to go on, lose a humidity, time to
go off. Energy saving products, right, absolutely, toilets that you
can flush a bowling ball down pretty much, right, Oh.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Yeah, yeah, they have all kinds of different systems.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
You're going to see plunders in an antiques store.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Soon, yeah, me and you both in the same store. Yeah, yeah,
but yeah, I mean we are moving in a positive direction.
And there are a lot of products out there, and
a lot.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Of products too.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
They're more expensive, but they're going, but they're going a
lot longer. Like like LVP flooring. I always tell people,
before this floor wears out, you're.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Not going to like it anymore.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
It's just it's going to change as far as color
and this and that. Hey, let's give out the information again.
We're running up against the clock here, but.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
An airy home shows Friday October eighteenth, noon to eight pm,
Saturday October nineteen, ten am to seven pm, Sunday October
twentieth nine or ten am to five pm, with the
last two hours being free in Mission three to five
pm is free in mission on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Awesome. That's great.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
And don't forget first threes, ponders and vets. You get
in free.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
That's something I've always respected. They've done that forever they
have and it's great. Real quick, give yourselves a shot
here too, because you're building a new new Audien.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
We have a new showroom that we're putting together. We
bought a building on Saint Martin's Road in Franklin and
we're just the drywallers are working on it right now,
so it's going to take a while before we move
into it.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
But yeah, you got to do everybody else's projects before exactly.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
And you've been around since ninety six.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Nineteen ninety six we started. If you don't, if you forget,
Greg looked it up. Bill Clinton was president. Okay, remember that,
Yes I do. I can hardly walk now. I mean
that's how long. It's well, Hey three, say hey you guys,
thanks for coming in on a Sunday spending some time
with the Guru.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
We got to get you on here again.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Thanks for having us. I'd love to be it. It's
always you know, it's good to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Nick all Right, News Talk eleven thirty WSN will will
return next week
When you need wisdom and advice. Seek out a guru
when you need wisdom and advice about remodeling and design.
Lock on and listen right now to Nick the construction Guru.
Here is award winning remodeling expert Nick Kerzner.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Stock eleven thirty WSN. Good morning, Nick the Construction Group.
I am so excited. I have guru virgins here today,
first time show. I have John and Liz name here
from Namy Construction, and we are going to be talking
about because you guys are so active in Nary about
the fall remodeling show on October sixteenth and seventeenth.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Right, uh ninety.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I just looked at the you know what I just
looked at. I came in here, I was driving in
and I saw the billboard. Okay, and I swear it
said the sixteenth and the seventeenth. But thanks for correcting me.
That's why I keep yeah. Yeah, it's well, you know,
my eyes aren't as good as when I'm wearing sunglasses.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Tell us a little bit about about your business. First.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
We are a design, buildery modeling firm. I started the
business back in nineteen ninety six, so next year will
be our twentieth or thirtieth annivers which president then I
am president?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Who was President of the United State?
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Then?
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Oh my god, I have no idea, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Because that really puts it into perspective when people think
ninety six doesn't sound that long agoing to me, But
it's a lot it is.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
It is a long time. Yeah, yeah, we'll have to
look that up to see who actually was President's Teddy
Teddy Roosevelt.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
But yea find out.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
But yeah, we're growing, and you know, it's good to
be on the show. You know, everything's going well. We
just bought a new building in uh Franklin on Saint
Martin's Road, so we're working on that. And well, you know,
you and I met.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I think we met at the shows, I believe so.
And we have been kind of fixtures at Mary for
a long time. And you guys have been involved probably
I think it's one of the biggest committees at NAIRY
is the show committee.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
You guys take care of all the shows.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Right correct, Yep, we do the home improvement shows, the
spring and the Fall show. I got involved in that
a long time ago, and then they asked me to
be the chairman and I took over in December right
before COVID hit and twenty was at twenty two, I
try and forget it, I know, and it was like,
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you know, we had our spring show and then COVID
hit the fan, and it was like, oh my gosh,
what did I get myself involved in? You know, this
is the worst time to be the chairman of the show.
But you know, we made it through. We had all
of our shows, we downsized, we protected the public, and
we did what we needed to do to keep on going.
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And I mean basically that's what you have to do
when you own any kind of business. I know, I
just keep chugging along.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And so now, Liz, you're going to be taken over eventually, Yes, yeah,
at Naming Construction.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
So tell us a little bit about your history.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
I've been when I was a little kid, I'd go
on job sites. He'd go check on job sites and
I was right there wanting to go with him. And
then when I was five or six, I tiled our
bathroom at our house, and then I've always had a
nick Ford and then eleven year old as when I
was eleven, I taught Eagle Scouts how to drywall wow
blood drywall, and they didn't want to listen to me
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because I'm a little eleven year old girl telling them
what to do.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
They go to John.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
And you know what's funny about that, being an old
guy in the business, women have really stepped up to
the plate in this business. And you know, at first
I was a little apprehensive. I honestly, you know, us old.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Chauvin's guy, that's right.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
But then you know, I watched the competitions with the
different schools, and I remember the year that the girls
won and the guys roll walking around with her. It
was I forget what school it was, do you remember?
Speaker 5 (04:13):
No, it was all girls. Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It was all girls, women, carpenters, designers, all of that.
So and now it's not uncommon.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I bet it's.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
It's close to probably fifty percent women owned businesses now, right.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Which is excellent. I mean, we need to get more
involved more young people in general. Yeah, you know, and
I know Narry is very involved in the Next Gen
Trade Challenge, which is a high school competition, and we're
involved in that, and they're going to have a deal
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in the Spring Show.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
Right spring show, They're going to have kind of like
a playground area where different high schools are going to
be building different stuff. So I know some are making
like a full play gym like set, some are building
cornhole b like cornhole, they're making an aerondack chairs and
there's all going to be a nice little seated area in.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
That's a competition, correct, ye, So there's there's criteria.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
We did one last year where they all made greenhouses,
but we realized some high schools aren't set up as
better as others, so we want to make it kind
of more fair for them. So they're all doing building
stuff that's more adequate for what they're capable of.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
But they all have.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Different criteria that they have to meet, and then there's
nary members judge them, and then there's they get judged
and there's winners and if you want.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
To if you want to learn more about that, I
know Narry Foundation does the scholarships and things like that,
and we maybe talk about that on another show because
that's a real important introduction to.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
The traides for people.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And you know, today a college education just isn't as
valuable as it used to be.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Today. It's the trades are where it's going to be.
There's no two ways about it. You can't make robots
and AI that do that yet.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
That's very true. Well, and not every young person is
cut out for college, nor do they want to go
to college, and we find that all the time. You know,
we've been involved in the high schools, in the apprenticeship programs,
and Liz has been involved with them, and I mean
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that's the future of our industry.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It's all tied in focusing on all of that. Tell
me a little bit now. The dates of the show.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Again October eighteenth, noon to eight, Saturday October nineteen ten
to seven, and Sunday, October twenty nine to five. And
I know on Sunday, the last two hours of it
is free, so there's no cost to get in. Just
so it's during the Packer game, so non football fans
have a little more better reason to come in, and
you can walk around and not be too busy because
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there's a packer.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Well what a great idea you guys came up with
with that, Yeah, because that was usually a time when
things kind of died down a little bit, right, And
how much do you say? How much is it to
get into the show?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Now?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Eight dollars.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
You can go online at Narrymlwaukee dot org. Slash Fall
show and it's eight dollars online and then ten dollars
at the door, and then adults sixty plus or eight
dollars at the door and free admission for children ages
seventeen and younger, and then veterans, active duty military, first
responders and medical personnel show an idea and they have
free admissions.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
They've always done that respected the first ross absolutely. What
are the highlights of the show list this year?
Speaker 6 (07:20):
The big one is there we are doing a whole
area about a basement and we're going to showcase different
things you can do in a basement.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
You know what, the we had that.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Big flood, a lot of basements got ruined, and in
the Midwest, basements are a big things. So having different
I know there's going to be like a sauna, a bar,
of course, because you're in the Midwest. You can't have
a basement without a bar, a home theater, which has
been new like kind of up and coming. More people
are doing that, and then like a play space, but
then also showing generators and egress windows, and then also
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ever Dry will have stuff there that will show you
how to kind of protect your basement, but then also
know what you're looking at to looking for when looking
at your basements, see water damage and how to fix
it the best.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Now there's a whole section dedicated to Yes.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
There, I think it's forty by eighty or there's a
big space, so it's all we're kind of going to
break it up so you can see the different rooms.
But then different NARRY members are putting together the different
areas as well, so all NARRY members are kind of
getting involved.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
To me, you can kind of walk through this simulated basement,
you know, and get some ideas of what can be done. No,
we haven't put it together yet.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Oh you haven't.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Okay, the bar is gonna look great because I just
we're building that, so it's good. But and then we're
also actually having a wall with jerseys from the different
high schools to promote the next train challenge in the
next show.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
So yeah, So, I mean a lot of times we
go out and we talk to customers and they're like, well,
what can we do in our basement? And my answer
is what do you wanted to? Guy? Absolutely these days,
I mean before it was paneling on the wall and
some carpet and you called it a day. And now
our philosophy is let's make the basement look and feel
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like the rest of your house.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Well, I know, you know back in the day, and
just because you brought it up. When we started doing
basements and some of the older houses, the problem was
with the carpeting and the paneling. You had that musty smell.
There was that moist you know. Today, there's so many
different systems that can take care of all of that.
I have absolutely even when they started coming up with
the radon, radon systems actually helped dry out basements too.
(09:30):
So there's all kinds of things. And the reason I
bring that up, John and Liz is because I think
that a lot of people look at their basement they go, ah,
this really isn't conducives about doing anything with You'd be
surprised what you can do, even in an old like
I did one in West Allie Low headroom yep. Turned
out beautiful. It creates a whole new living space. You
don't have to go through the hassle of a permit
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for an addition. With an egress windows you brought up, Liz,
you can add a bedroom. There's all kinds of things
you can do and there'll be contractors at the Nry
show to talk about what the possibilities are even for
an older basement.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Right absolutely, I mean everybody, well I shouldn't say everybody,
but you know, ninety nine percent of the homes in
Wisconsin do have basement and a lot of times that space.
If you have fifteen hundred square feet of a home upstairs,
you have that fifteen hundred in the basement, and why
not utilize that space. You can actually, you know, double
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the size of your home just by finishing off that basement.
And like you said, it is a lot more monetarily
efficient to do that than adding fifteen hundred score foot
in an addition, right right, I agree.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
So outside of the basement stuff, what else are we
going to see at the show? Do you guys have
some some flavors of who's going to be there.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Well, there's a wide variety of Nary members and there's
some other nonnary members. But I mean, if you're coming
there to look for, you know, any tight of remodeling, kitchens, bathrooms,
there'll be some electricians and heating contractors and plumbing and
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flooring and just a wide variety sighting and roofing and absolutely.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Anything that anywhere you can touch your house.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Someone there can interior, exterior absolutely yep.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
And landscaping, so any part of your house there will
be someone there that can do something.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
So a major remodel or a minor remodel. This is
a good show to come to.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Absolutely, it's a smaller show than our spring show, but
this is going to give you an opportunity to walk
around and connect with people and actually, you know, make
those connections and you know, figure out who you want
to work with. There's a lot of good contractors. I mean,
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come in and talk to us. We're in Booth three
twenty five. And if it's something that we don't personally do,
we can send you in the right direction to see
there's other.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
John keep trying to bring up such a good point
because part of it is, you know, on the Internet,
you don't get to talk and get the communication style
of the contractor. Here at the Nary Show, you're gonna
be able to do that. Let's we're gonna take a
short break and when we come back, we'll tell you
again the dates of the show, and then I want
to talk about why it's advantageous to do business with
a NARY member. Fair enough, absolutely all right, News talk
eleven thirty W. I s N we would return after
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these messages. HU just talk eleven thirty WS and returning
from break. It's Nick the construction Guru.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
If you're thinking about a remodeling project. I say it
in every show, get a few opinions. Make one of
those hours. We'd love to come out and talk to
you about a home renovation. Whether it's a small job
or a big I guess it's no job too big
or small.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
We do them good or not at all. That's how
we say it.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Absolutely. I tell customers we'll come out, we'll put one
window in your house, we'll do a drywall repair, and
if you need a thousand square foot edition, we can
do that.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
And then yeah, anything between.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
And you know, this is the thing with I don't
know if it's all Nary members, but the Narry members
that I talk to, you start that relationship with a
customer I'm doing. I'm doing a ninth ninth project for
a client right now. I've known them since I was
a young man, and you do. And that's why I look.
I look for, you know, auto mechanics that are family
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run businesses because like like with you guys, that generation
the next generation's coming up, and they know what to
expect and they know the.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Quality of the guy absolutely.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
So I wanted when we went on break, John Liz,
I wanted to talk a little bit about why a
NARY member. I want to make sure that people understand
what they get from a NARY member that they don't
get from the other guys. Because there's a lot of
companies out there that are just starting up. Some are good,
some maybe not so good. But why does why does
somebody want to deal with a member of the National
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Association of the Rena Honey Industry.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Well, with dealing with a NARY member, you're going to
have that knowledge right up front that you're talking to
somebody who knows what they're doing. NARY members are vetted,
there's a rigorous plan that they have to go through,
there's criteria that they have to meet, you know, and
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by dealing with a NARY member, you're going to have
that organization actually cover your back as a consumer, because
if you do have a problem or an issue neary
will help you resolve that.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Well.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
And you know, Nick, We've always had jobs. Not every
job goes perfectly. You run into some problems, but it's
how you address those problems. That makes the difference.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
You know, and the other thing NARY does. And again,
I always a lot of people say, what's NEARRY. It's
the National Association of the Remodeling Industry. Chris Agner's been
kicking me in the teeth or not saying it that
way because he wants people to know who it is.
But and Chris was a national president and I think
he's been on the show several times. But also protects
the contractors from the standpoint that there's certified remodelers that
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go through additional training, there's all kinds of meetings for contractors.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
To go to LARN.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I know that I get to live vicariously through other
people's problems because I'm on the ethics committee, so I
get to see some of the things not to do
in some of the solutions that work and don't work.
So members of NARY have kind of a shoe in
And I know this. I know you appreciate this because
Narry's been a big part of your training too.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Hasn't it.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Oh yeah, I've been. I've been going to Narry show
since I was born. But kind of imagine that really literally, I'm.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
Twenty four years old. I probably have forty eight Narry
shows under my belt.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
So we go to Disney World, you take your kids
to the Narry show.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I'm kidding.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Well, we would have a routine when they were in school.
I'd pick them up from school. My wife Diane was
at the show running the booth. We would stop at
Sammy's and we'd get a snack, and then we would
go to the Narry show and.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Sam and I would be doing our homework in the
booth while our parents are running the show.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
So isn't that funny?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
You know, It's that's the life of owning your own
business and you make it work. And consequently, I mean,
she's been involved and now she's involved in the home
show committees, and it's funny to listen at the committee
shows or the show committees, i should say, and they're
talking about, well, you know we used to have you know,
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years ago home deeople had the kids could build bird houses,
and she'd chime in, well, I remember building one of
those bird houses, and the other members are looking at
her like, really.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You know what's funny is that the boomers are are dying.
It's going away, Okay, it's just the way it is
and we're talking and the ones that aren't that are tired.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
So the new generations coming in and they're coming in
with a completely different communication style, completely different eyes on
ideas on marketing. And I think that's going to be
evidence that this show, because I've been to a lot
of shows, but we've never had an area dedicated to
one part of We did something on home theaters many
years ago, but this is this is going to show
you not only home theaters but pretty much everything you
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can do. Is there a fitness room in there?
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Two, there's a craft room, there's a home theater, there's
like a turf area that's like kind of a play
like playroom for kids, and then egress and a sauna
is going to be there.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
And then so the sauna area would be something to
be connected to fitness too.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Absolutely. You know you can put a golf simulator in
the basement and there's I mean just it's the sky
is opening a wine cellar. What do you want to done?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I just think do you think that you know, you
talked about COVID, John, do you think a lot of
this I've noticed it. I want to see if you
did and I'm going to kind of give it away,
but I noticed that people are spending a lot more
time on backyard areas, basements and creating an area where
they can stay at home rather than go to an
entertainment complex. Like. The kitchens today are so and I
(18:00):
know you see this. We always put ranges in you
you put in a thirty inch range. Today they're putting
in these high BTU cookers, absolutely, deep fryers, all kinds
of things are going in the kitchen because people are
staying Homey, it's back to home, right it is?
Speaker 5 (18:14):
You know, And I don't know how many primary bathrooms
and suites that we've done, you know that have more
of a spa feel to it than you know, just
a shower and a sink. And you know, the sky
is the limit.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
We do dictatory modeling projects. List who in the family.
Who is it?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
That's still John, I'm still.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
I mean the customers, It depends, but I don't even
know for more women.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
For me, I agree one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Sometimes the guys will be like, yeah, that I want
this kind of idea, but it's always for me.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
If it's a garage, a basement, it's the guy running.
But otherwise, because you bring up the bathroom, you know
today the wife is saying, no, I want this. You know,
they used to get that little vanity where they tuck
under there and try and put their makeup on. Today
you have five or six different types of lighting in
a bathroom for different makeup applications. Same thing with the kitchen.
You have stations for coffee, you have a station for
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cooking preparation, all of that stuff. The women are really
getting involved. I think a lot of that's driven by HGTV,
right absolutely. But the nice thing about this is you're
going to be able to talk to contractors that do
it all and specialty. I know, even like protecting gutters
from leaves. There's going to be a bunch of guys
there that do that. Replacement windows, as you said, is
the exterior remodels, roofing, siding, windows, doors, all that kind
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of stuff. Do you guys have a sampling of who
else is going to be there.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
I know, IQ Automation they're doing the home in home
theater and they do more spark systems and all that stuff,
which is always everyone wants to know about that. So
I know, hell, he's doing the theater in the basement area.
But I know he'll have a booth as well, which
is always good, right.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I know that now it's you know, it used to
be a rich man's sport. I say, Man, I don't
mean that rich person's for automation. Home automation opening up
the drapes at a certain time. Today, that's all affordable
for homeowners certainly. I mean, you can run your entire house,
or at least Liz can. I can't because.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
I'm not that confident in my phone's abilities. You know,
I still use my phone to make phone calls and
text stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Now you lose your phone, and you lose all your medical.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Records, everything, your whole life is gone. But yeah, I mean,
you know we're moving in that direction. And hey, John,
we've moved well, we have, like you are correct, You
are correct. You know we are already there.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And to your point and to the point of not
only the show but your company. Now you have fresh
blood in there, and you know, there's the old ways
that are still very valuable how we do things, the
discipline it takes to do the work. But the new
stuff that the younger generations are getting to with home automation, lighting,
new appliances, all of that kind of stuff. My wife
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is doing selections now, Lynn, so she's she's ten years
younger than me. Lucky me, right, yep, absolutely, that would
have been a crime years ago. But anyway, you know,
she has completely different ideas on kitchen and lighting and
things like that. And I'm sure that Liz is bringing
that too. And you're thinking, you hate to say it
because you kind of want to be in control, but hey,
that's a.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Good You're right, that's a good idea.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
And even automation with computers as far as running the
business and being more efficient, right.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Well, there are so many more products out there, I know,
you know to do all of hers. It is. I
mean thirty years ago when we started, there was less
choices for consumers, which made our life a little easier.
But now there's so many more choices and you really
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do need to keep up with those.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
That's going to see a lot of those at the show.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Absolutely. I mean there's a lot of displays out of tops.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Let's go through some of it.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Countertops, windows, windows, doors. The window and door thing is
it used to be double hungs and slidess. Now there's
so many different kinds of windows, so many even bath fans.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
There's bath fans. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
It's insane to me that pick up the humidity and say, okay,
it's time to go on, lose a humidity, time to
go off. Energy saving products, right, absolutely, toilets that you
can flush a bowling ball down pretty much, right, Oh.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Yeah, yeah, they have all kinds of different systems.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
You're going to see plunders in an antiques store.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Soon, yeah, me and you both in the same store. Yeah, yeah,
but yeah, I mean we are moving in a positive direction.
And there are a lot of products out there, and
a lot.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Of products too.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
They're more expensive, but they're going, but they're going a
lot longer. Like like LVP flooring. I always tell people,
before this floor wears out, you're.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Not going to like it anymore.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
It's just it's going to change as far as color
and this and that. Hey, let's give out the information again.
We're running up against the clock here, but.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
An airy home shows Friday October eighteenth, noon to eight pm,
Saturday October nineteen, ten am to seven pm, Sunday October
twentieth nine or ten am to five pm, with the
last two hours being free in Mission three to five
pm is free in mission on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Awesome. That's great.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
And don't forget first threes, ponders and vets. You get
in free.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
That's something I've always respected. They've done that forever they
have and it's great. Real quick, give yourselves a shot
here too, because you're building a new new Audien.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
We have a new showroom that we're putting together. We
bought a building on Saint Martin's Road in Franklin and
we're just the drywallers are working on it right now,
so it's going to take a while before we move
into it.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
But yeah, you got to do everybody else's projects before exactly.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
And you've been around since ninety six.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Nineteen ninety six we started. If you don't, if you forget,
Greg looked it up. Bill Clinton was president. Okay, remember that,
Yes I do. I can hardly walk now. I mean
that's how long. It's well, Hey three, say hey you guys,
thanks for coming in on a Sunday spending some time
with the Guru.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
We got to get you on here again.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Thanks for having us. I'd love to be it. It's
always you know, it's good to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Nick all Right, News Talk eleven thirty WSN will will
return next week
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