January 30, 2026 • 20 mins
Oklahoma Sooners play-by-play broadcaster Toby Rowland joins Craig in advance of the weekend's two rivalry matchups in men's and women's basketball.
They break down why Porter Moser's team has struggled to win in close games, the benefits and drawbacks of their three-point shooting guards, and what kind of challenge Vic Schaefer's team can expect at Moody Center on Sunday afternoon.
They break down why Porter Moser's team has struggled to win in close games, the benefits and drawbacks of their three-point shooting guards, and what kind of challenge Vic Schaefer's team can expect at Moody Center on Sunday afternoon.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
All right, we welcome you back here on this Friday
afternoon here on thirteen hundred zero.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Who you're hitting us back with here, Jake?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
One of my favorite Oklahoma artists, Turnpike Triubadors seven and seven.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
There you go, all right, very good, and it's a
great lead in to one of my favorites. I was
just talking about this in the prior segment. One of
my favorite people, I said. The play by play voice
of the Oklahoma Sooners, Toby Roland said there, I.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Said it, Yeah, one of my favorites. I was trying to.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Explain to Hero how us in that broadcast fraternity have
a lot of shared experiences that have absolutely nothing to
do with the teams we broadcast, and so that's that's
where that kind of bond kind of develops. And thank
you for hopping on this afternoon. But that's that's kind
of where it is centered, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, there's a there's a camaraderie among the broadcasting fraternity,
and you know, it's this is a job for us.
As much as we want our teams to win, there's
a production and an execution element to it and everything
that we have to do to get our jobs done so,
whether it's sharing information about how you're going to get
a football broadcast out, or frequencies or travel or whatever
(01:25):
the case may be, what restaurants you should eat in
on a Friday night when you're on the road. Yeah,
we through the years certainly become we grow great friendships
among the broadcast fraternity. Now I was able to shake
off everybody in the Big twelve except for you, and
you followed me to this new life.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
So you and I are still stuck together forever.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I did mention the words inextricably linked, so you're right, right,
and and we had a whole brand new wealth of friends.
Some of the some guys we had known for a while. Anyway,
we had known several of the broadcast I've known Andrew
Monica a long time, the Texas HA and M play
by play voice.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
But we got to know somebody.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
And here is here's an absolute perfect example of what
you're just talking about. So Wednesday night, Texas is playing
at Auburn. My first time to do a game at
Neville Arena. Nice arena, nice building, and speaking of nice guys,
Andy Bertram used to play by play voice of the
Auburn Tigers, and he came over and we were chatting,
and he expressed a lot of concern about their effects
(02:28):
feed microphone or effects feed cabling, because we always all
looked for that kind of stuff anyway, and he said
it might not be there tonight. They're working on it.
He said, it's out for us too, he said, And
sure enough it didn't work. But we had, you know,
we had had the court side of Mike like we
used to always do anyway, and so it worked out fine.
But the best thing he said to me came after
(02:50):
the game and Auburn had won the game and everything,
but he came over to me and said, listen, he
knew that I was getting ready to.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Get in a car and drive five hours to Gainsville.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I did the women's game last night at Florida, and
it's just easier to do it that way. I dink away, drive,
then fly home with the team and then fly back
and all that stuff. It's just easier to hop in
the car and go. So he said, he said, so
you're going to Florida and I said yeah. He goes,
all right, let me tell you something, he said, because
we just made that trip and we drove last weekend.
He and his broadcast team drove because it was a
(03:25):
Saturday afternoon game in Gainesville, and they left on Friday.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It's about a five hour drive. And he said, I
got to.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Tell you your GPS is going to direct you onto
and he named a couple of highways in the US
eighty two and Georgia Highway five twenty for about a
little over one hundred miles, and that's going through basically
the countryside of southwestern Georgia over to the center. And
he said, I'm here to tell you until no, no, no,
(03:54):
He said, that's definitely the best way to go, as
long as you're driving the speed limit, he said, or
close to. He said, be very careful all the way
until you get to Tifton, where you hop on ice
ice seventy five for the last.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
One hundred and fifty miles down the Gainsmall.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
He said, because I'm here to tell you from Columbus
Georgia to Tifton, going through all they going through Dawson,
all these little places, he said, you're going to see
law enforcement officials of various types sitting in the median
on the side.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
They're just begging to pull somebody over.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
And he said, just the kind of valuable information we
share amongst each other.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
No, yeah, and he who knows how much money he
saved you.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Untold him ounts Because I'm here to tell you. As
I drove through the night, I think I hit allbody
around midnight and all this stuff. And I was going
through I counted no less than six various law enforcement
officials and agencies represented on the highway. Some were just
quietly sitting down in the median somewhere on the side
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just he said.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Some are rolling.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Uh but yeah, words, he said. He said, there are
a host of speed traps on that road.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Just be careful. So I owe him for that. So
you're right.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I mean, those are the kinds of things, the tips
we give one another. You and I are at the
point where, in large measure we get on planes and
fly with the team.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And and and do that.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I'm worried. I'm worried about you just listening to tell
that story. Are you going to be able to call
this game tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
What are we doing to take care of the cough
situation here?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Oh, it's my annual cough thing, you know, it said,
that's that thing that comes in from November to.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
About March and uh.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And then it take a little medication for it and
knocks it out for the game and it's okay, it's good.
Oh yeah, I mean it magically appears. It was a
little later this year. Normally, it magically appears about mid November.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
This this time, it started popping up in December, and
then it goes away right.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
About mid baseball season.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I think, and and and I've had it checked out
by doctors. There's nothing there. It's just it's just a cough.
You know, lungs are clear, everything's good. It just it
pops up because.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
You do five hundred games a year.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Well you know, and some of it is allergy based too.
That we have a really bad seater piling down here.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
So as long as you got control of it, I
feel good about. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
There, we know what you're doing. There we go all right, So.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Let's talk about these two frustrated basketball teams, because uh,
you know, it's it's been a little bit of a
roller coaster of lake for Texas lost the first two,
won their next.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Two, and then uh, and then.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Now have struggled again and come off a loss for Oklahoma.
I feel like the word snake bit doesn't even you
know accurately and fairly describe what Porterboter's team has gone through.
When I look not only at the results, I've watched
a lot of the actions of the games and seen
all these one possession games and Arkansas is an example
(06:56):
of it the other night. What what do you think
is the common thing if there is one that's happened
that has snake bit in Oklahoma during these conference games.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
You know a popular thing that we say, Teddy Layman,
my football broadcast partner, and I like to say is
that winning is a skill, and you.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Don't just stumble into wins.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And a lot of times in these close games, and
we play so many close games in conference play, you
get down to the final three minutes or so and
it's a one possession game, and one team's going to
make the big shots and one team's not, and it
becomes contagious. We've all been around teams where they just
believe they're going to find a way to make that
(07:41):
shot late, get that big base hit late in a
baseball game. And then we've been around teams and this
is an example for Oklahoma this year, where it just
feels like everybody's looking at each other waiting for the
other shoot a fall like we're in this thing. Maybe
they even have a lead late, but they just know
the other team's going to hit a big shot against them,
and it becomes intagous the other way. That's what's happened
(08:02):
with this team. Had to play very well down at
Texas A and m lost late. Didn't play well in
the last three or four minutes. They were up eleven
against Alabama at halftime, had a lead late against Alabama,
Bama hit big shots to beat them. The Missouri game
a week ago Saturday, just an absolute heart ripper outer
(08:23):
where they had a three point lead at the end
of regulation. Missouri hits a forty foot three pointer, descend
it to overtime. Oklahoma's up to and overtime Mark Mitchell
dribbles all the way down the floor and hits a
three pointer at the buzzer to beat them. Had that
game won twice and a twenty seven percent three point.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Shooter beats them.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
And then the Arkansas game on Tuesday night, They're up
two after Nigel Pack hit a three with a minute
twenty seven to go and never scored again.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Arkansas scored the last six.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
So they just keep finding a way to lose for
their opponents keep finding a way to win all of
these close games against them. They're one in seven and
are ten points or so away in crucial moments from being.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Five and three.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
But that's not an excuse or anything, because you've got
to find a way to win those games, and so
that's been a real bugaboo. I think there are some
things to like about this Oklahoma team. They have a
very talented veteran backcourt with Xavier Brown and Nigel Pack,
Tay Davis and darry On Reed.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Transferred in this year. They've played very well for them.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Mowigee, their big man has been spotty, but when he's
played well, he's been brilliant. They're not super deep, but
there's enough talent there to win games in the sec
They have not executed well in the final two or
three minutes of these close contests.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Here's something that I've come across as well that folks
have brought up, and it might or might not apply
to either of these teams, but it might in some
form that in this day and age of nil and
transfer portal, you have almost entirely new roster makeups, at
(10:02):
least in terms of the key players on an annual basis,
that glue in chemistry sometimes suffers as a result of that.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I mean, you name some incredibly talented players.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
My gosh, we you and I both watched Nigel back
when he's playing a case state before you even went
to Miami, and then Xavier Brown obviously, and Darien Reed
we saw him on Alabama's Elite eight Team of Year ago.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Tay Davis played at Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I mean, good, good players on that is it possible
sometimes that the chemistry, even as much as they see
each other every day and work and practice every day
in game in game out, sometimes that that winning chemistry
might elude a team. Sometimes I get that feeling about
the long runs in some games.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, I think that's completely accurate. And we're going to
see that fluctuate wildly with everybody across collegian athletics, especially
in basketball when you've got such a small roster and
everybody we play, Craig, when you're filling out that pregame
spot erboard or you're doing your notes, everybody we play
in the SEC has what two or three guys back
(11:08):
maybe from the year before. Yeah, and maybe not some
teams have like one guy back from the year, and
so it's such churn, such complete turnover from year to
year that some years it's gonna hit, it's gonna click,
everything's gonna.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Work perfectly, and some years it's just not.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
And you have the best of intentions. It seems like
on paper that it should work, and for whatever reason,
whether it's chemistry or injury or whatever.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
It just doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
And so I think there's gonna have to be an
acknowledgment of that, especially in basketball that you know, we
got eighty percent of our roster is new this year
compared to last. Maybe it's the Final four team, and
maybe it's a team that misses the tournament.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
It's just hard to know.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Toby Roland Sooner's played by play voice visiting with this
year on thirteen hundred The Zone. I want to go
back to Nigel Pack for a moment and get your
thoughts on the contributions he's made. As I mentioned, you
and I have been doing the longer and he don't
even have to be doing it that long to see
when he was contributing to Kansas State and appeared nine
games from Miami a year ago as well. But that's
the world we live in now with the players that
(12:15):
we see through what we just discussed there. But how
about your thoughts on what Nigel gives Porter and the Sooners.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I sure like him in a red uniform more than
a purple one. Yeah, I can tell you that he
absolutely killed us when he was at Kansas State. A
very mature, delightful young man. You can tell he has
played a ton of college basketball, and he is a
veteran and he's been around for a while. He's just
(12:47):
he seems like an extra assistant coach. That's how much
of an old head he is. And he's obviously incredibly talented.
His range is limitless and when he gets hot, and
like he has been the last couple of games, he's
I think one of the best weapons in the SEC.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I mean he's he can.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Go out to thirty feet, it's an incredibly quick release.
Arkansas faceguarded in the entire second half wherever he went,
and he still hit a couple of big threes against him.
He can be a bit of a liability on the
other end because of his size at times, but he'll
fight you in works hard. He still gets three and
a half rebounds a game at five, ten, and it's
the shooting weapon is among the best in all of
(13:29):
the sport.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
And so you just gotta you know when he's on.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
When he hits one or two early sooner fans get
pretty excited because they know that could mean that four, five,
six more could follow.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Absolutely, you know, I got a chuckle. And again this
is out of that same file we're talking about. And
when I was looking at the game notes, the ou
Gay notes, I was looking and I was reading about
Xavier Brown, and I thought, well, when I first saw
on there, I thought he sounds familiar. Then I look
and I'm like, oh, I know this dude. It last
year playing it at Saint Joe's and almost single handedly
(14:04):
beat Texas long words managed to win the game. It
was an early season tournament game in Brooklyn and he
had a the game and all he was was first
team All A tenant Saint Joe's a year ago. So
it's an excellent, good compliment the pack, isn't he Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
They work great together.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
He's crafty, not going to play above the rim, but
excellent getting to the bucket and can finish with either hand.
He can shoot the three, he can shoot the mid range. Again,
he's not super big, he's six'. One he's good at
kind of jumping the other direction to get his shot
off when he gets down into the, trees and both
those guys they need him to. Score you, know thirty
(14:47):
thirty five points a game combined out of the two
of them is what they need to be. Successful the
problem they've ran into is a Couple xavier has to
play so many. Minutes they just can't afford to have
him off the. COURT i, mean he's the guy they
trust most with the ball in his. Hands nigel can
play a little, Point Kay davis will play a little point,
forward But Xavier brown is the guy that they need
(15:10):
the basketball in his, hands especially in the second. Half
he's the top three throw shooter in the. Conference and
when you've got, us you, know two small, guards one's
five to ten and one six.' one they have ran
into several situations, this year especially in, conference play where,
bigger guards, you know there's a bunch of you guys
got some two there's a bunch of, sixty three six
four sixty five guards out there in. The league we'll
(15:32):
just back them into, the post and That forces oklahoma to,
double team and it starts the merry go round. After
that so, they're little which has been a detriment. At
times but they can go, get buckets that's. For Sure
And xavier brown's the. Leading scorer he does, it Quietly
not nigel tends. To be, you Know when nigel hits thirty,
foot threes it's, eye popping it's It Makes sports center
(15:54):
a lot. Of times we'll get to the end of
the Night And xavier brown will have scored twenty two
points and My Partner kevin HENRY and i look at
each other and say, that TRUE like i can't, be
right can't like it's. So quiet he gets there, very
quietly but he's he's a.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Bucket getter texas and oh you play tomorrow At The
Lloyd noble Center in norman one o'clock here on the
zone for that twelve thirty.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Year time let me get a quick question from.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Quick TALK because i know you obviously have kept up.
With it and it's A Big texas oh, you weekend
where as they say, up there Oh you. Texas weekend
it's a big weekend overall Because the sooner women will
be down Here on sunday to take On The texas
Women ESPN's College game day will be here all, that
STUFF and i tell Everybody About aleah chabez because she's
(16:39):
been had a pretty special freshman Campaign.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
For Oklahoma For, Jenny, barnja.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah it's true freshman Out, of lubbock number one recruit
in the country out of high school.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
And dynamic.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Her overtime Period Against south carolina and that big Win
the sooner's got about a week ago was one of
the best performances that we've ever seen. Around here she
had fifteen points in overtime to help beat Number Two.
South carolina that's what she's capable. Of doing she can
put up a bunch of points in. A hurry she's
a tremendous three, point shooter very fast in the. Open
(17:15):
floor she's a. True freshman so you'll see games or
periods of games where she'll kind of disappear and, you'll Say,
Where's chavez and then you'll See other knights or parts
of the game where she just takes over and goes
for thirty and looks like a First Team. All american
so she needs to work on her consist consistency a.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Little bit but, You.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Know oklahoma likes to play high tempo and she is
the perfect quarterback for that style. Of play they Still Have,
peyton bearholtz they Still Have reagan beers and pretty much
all the weapons that they had last year when they
Were a sweet, sixteen Team but chavez is the difference
and the player that they feel like could help them
get farther. This season that gotta be a. Great game
(17:57):
i'm looking forward to both matchups between. Those teams maybe
there'll be more than two.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
This.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Year, Yeah yeah Texas Played south carolina four times. Last
year they played them twice already, this year so it
certainly happens IN.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
The sec quick, up date.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Bring us up to date on our Good Friends kip
johnson and what sooner baseball will, look like because we
are just around the corner.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
From that happening two weeks from the day With.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
The, OPENERS yeah i am very excited about. This team
is similar to what we said, about basketball so much
turn so many new faces that it takes us even
after the season, gets Going sometimes craig two or three
weeks to kind of get familiar with everybody and get
any kind of an idea of how good the team.
(18:39):
MIGHT be i think they did a tremendous job through
the transfer portal beefing up their batting lineup. This year that,
the hitters that was where they lacked. Last year they
had front line pitching that could match anybody in the
conference With the, witherspoon twins but they didn't score, runs
enough and so they really made an effort to beef
(18:59):
up their line went and got a Couple of Juco
all american Catchers and dayton the Chance brock is Out
of illinois and several. Other bats They Got jason, Walks
Back jackson willets, his back AND so i think the
lineup is gonna, be better maybe. Significantly better we'll see about.
THE arms i think the feeling In sooner land is.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
In skip.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
We, trust yeah you don't know who it's gonna. Be
Yet The mercurious brothers have COME. From unlv one of
them is the, true freshman the other TRANSFERRED, from UNLV
and i THINK probably lj is going to Be their friday.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Night guy.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
We'll see rarick Came from texas from, you guys and
there's A chance i think he fits into the. Equation
somewhere but it's gonna, be uh it's gonna take. A
while i think before we are able to settle in
and see just How good oklahoma's gonna be On the diamond.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
This year and it'll be the same thing obviously with The,
long worns even though they stop start by being ranked
in the. Top ten but as we, both know that's
a process it'll take time. To, UNFOLD hey i appreciate
you doing This and i'll be up there. This evening
look forward to see AT the. Lnc tomorrow can't wait to, see,
You brother. Safe travels. Thank you That Is, toby rowland
play by play voice Of The. Oklahoma sooners We have
(20:07):
inconceivable coming up next on sports radioing in thirteen Under.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
The zone
All right, we welcome you back here on this Friday
afternoon here on thirteen hundred zero.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Who you're hitting us back with here, Jake?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
One of my favorite Oklahoma artists, Turnpike Triubadors seven and seven.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
There you go, all right, very good, and it's a
great lead in to one of my favorites. I was
just talking about this in the prior segment. One of
my favorite people, I said. The play by play voice
of the Oklahoma Sooners, Toby Roland said there, I.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Said it, Yeah, one of my favorites. I was trying to.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Explain to Hero how us in that broadcast fraternity have
a lot of shared experiences that have absolutely nothing to
do with the teams we broadcast, and so that's that's
where that kind of bond kind of develops. And thank
you for hopping on this afternoon. But that's that's kind
of where it is centered, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, there's a there's a camaraderie among the broadcasting fraternity,
and you know, it's this is a job for us.
As much as we want our teams to win, there's
a production and an execution element to it and everything
that we have to do to get our jobs done so,
whether it's sharing information about how you're going to get
a football broadcast out, or frequencies or travel or whatever
(01:25):
the case may be, what restaurants you should eat in
on a Friday night when you're on the road. Yeah,
we through the years certainly become we grow great friendships
among the broadcast fraternity. Now I was able to shake
off everybody in the Big twelve except for you, and
you followed me to this new life.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
So you and I are still stuck together forever.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I did mention the words inextricably linked, so you're right, right,
and and we had a whole brand new wealth of friends.
Some of the some guys we had known for a while. Anyway,
we had known several of the broadcast I've known Andrew
Monica a long time, the Texas HA and M play
by play voice.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
But we got to know somebody.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
And here is here's an absolute perfect example of what
you're just talking about. So Wednesday night, Texas is playing
at Auburn. My first time to do a game at
Neville Arena. Nice arena, nice building, and speaking of nice guys,
Andy Bertram used to play by play voice of the
Auburn Tigers, and he came over and we were chatting,
and he expressed a lot of concern about their effects
(02:28):
feed microphone or effects feed cabling, because we always all
looked for that kind of stuff anyway, and he said
it might not be there tonight. They're working on it.
He said, it's out for us too, he said, And
sure enough it didn't work. But we had, you know,
we had had the court side of Mike like we
used to always do anyway, and so it worked out fine.
But the best thing he said to me came after
(02:50):
the game and Auburn had won the game and everything,
but he came over to me and said, listen, he
knew that I was getting ready to.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Get in a car and drive five hours to Gainsville.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I did the women's game last night at Florida, and
it's just easier to do it that way. I dink away, drive,
then fly home with the team and then fly back
and all that stuff. It's just easier to hop in
the car and go. So he said, he said, so
you're going to Florida and I said yeah. He goes,
all right, let me tell you something, he said, because
we just made that trip and we drove last weekend.
He and his broadcast team drove because it was a
(03:25):
Saturday afternoon game in Gainesville, and they left on Friday.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It's about a five hour drive. And he said, I
got to.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Tell you your GPS is going to direct you onto
and he named a couple of highways in the US
eighty two and Georgia Highway five twenty for about a
little over one hundred miles, and that's going through basically
the countryside of southwestern Georgia over to the center. And
he said, I'm here to tell you until no, no, no,
(03:54):
He said, that's definitely the best way to go, as
long as you're driving the speed limit, he said, or
close to. He said, be very careful all the way
until you get to Tifton, where you hop on ice
ice seventy five for the last.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
One hundred and fifty miles down the Gainsmall.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
He said, because I'm here to tell you from Columbus
Georgia to Tifton, going through all they going through Dawson,
all these little places, he said, you're going to see
law enforcement officials of various types sitting in the median
on the side.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
They're just begging to pull somebody over.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
And he said, just the kind of valuable information we
share amongst each other.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
No, yeah, and he who knows how much money he
saved you.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Untold him ounts Because I'm here to tell you. As
I drove through the night, I think I hit allbody
around midnight and all this stuff. And I was going
through I counted no less than six various law enforcement
officials and agencies represented on the highway. Some were just
quietly sitting down in the median somewhere on the side
(04:58):
just he said.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Some are rolling.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Uh but yeah, words, he said. He said, there are
a host of speed traps on that road.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Just be careful. So I owe him for that. So
you're right.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I mean, those are the kinds of things, the tips
we give one another. You and I are at the
point where, in large measure we get on planes and
fly with the team.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And and and do that.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I'm worried. I'm worried about you just listening to tell
that story. Are you going to be able to call
this game tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
What are we doing to take care of the cough
situation here?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Oh, it's my annual cough thing, you know, it said,
that's that thing that comes in from November to.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
About March and uh.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And then it take a little medication for it and
knocks it out for the game and it's okay, it's good.
Oh yeah, I mean it magically appears. It was a
little later this year. Normally, it magically appears about mid November.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
This this time, it started popping up in December, and
then it goes away right.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
About mid baseball season.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I think, and and and I've had it checked out
by doctors. There's nothing there. It's just it's just a cough.
You know, lungs are clear, everything's good. It just it
pops up because.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
You do five hundred games a year.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Well you know, and some of it is allergy based too.
That we have a really bad seater piling down here.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
So as long as you got control of it, I
feel good about. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
There, we know what you're doing. There we go all right, So.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Let's talk about these two frustrated basketball teams, because uh,
you know, it's it's been a little bit of a
roller coaster of lake for Texas lost the first two,
won their next.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Two, and then uh, and then.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Now have struggled again and come off a loss for Oklahoma.
I feel like the word snake bit doesn't even you
know accurately and fairly describe what Porterboter's team has gone through.
When I look not only at the results, I've watched
a lot of the actions of the games and seen
all these one possession games and Arkansas is an example
(06:56):
of it the other night. What what do you think
is the common thing if there is one that's happened
that has snake bit in Oklahoma during these conference games.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
You know a popular thing that we say, Teddy Layman,
my football broadcast partner, and I like to say is
that winning is a skill, and you.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Don't just stumble into wins.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And a lot of times in these close games, and
we play so many close games in conference play, you
get down to the final three minutes or so and
it's a one possession game, and one team's going to
make the big shots and one team's not, and it
becomes contagious. We've all been around teams where they just
believe they're going to find a way to make that
(07:41):
shot late, get that big base hit late in a
baseball game. And then we've been around teams and this
is an example for Oklahoma this year, where it just
feels like everybody's looking at each other waiting for the
other shoot a fall like we're in this thing. Maybe
they even have a lead late, but they just know
the other team's going to hit a big shot against them,
and it becomes intagous the other way. That's what's happened
(08:02):
with this team. Had to play very well down at
Texas A and m lost late. Didn't play well in
the last three or four minutes. They were up eleven
against Alabama at halftime, had a lead late against Alabama,
Bama hit big shots to beat them. The Missouri game
a week ago Saturday, just an absolute heart ripper outer
(08:23):
where they had a three point lead at the end
of regulation. Missouri hits a forty foot three pointer, descend
it to overtime. Oklahoma's up to and overtime Mark Mitchell
dribbles all the way down the floor and hits a
three pointer at the buzzer to beat them. Had that
game won twice and a twenty seven percent three point.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Shooter beats them.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
And then the Arkansas game on Tuesday night, They're up
two after Nigel Pack hit a three with a minute
twenty seven to go and never scored again.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Arkansas scored the last six.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
So they just keep finding a way to lose for
their opponents keep finding a way to win all of
these close games against them. They're one in seven and
are ten points or so away in crucial moments from being.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Five and three.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
But that's not an excuse or anything, because you've got
to find a way to win those games, and so
that's been a real bugaboo. I think there are some
things to like about this Oklahoma team. They have a
very talented veteran backcourt with Xavier Brown and Nigel Pack,
Tay Davis and darry On Reed.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Transferred in this year. They've played very well for them.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Mowigee, their big man has been spotty, but when he's
played well, he's been brilliant. They're not super deep, but
there's enough talent there to win games in the sec
They have not executed well in the final two or
three minutes of these close contests.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Here's something that I've come across as well that folks
have brought up, and it might or might not apply
to either of these teams, but it might in some
form that in this day and age of nil and
transfer portal, you have almost entirely new roster makeups, at
(10:02):
least in terms of the key players on an annual basis,
that glue in chemistry sometimes suffers as a result of that.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I mean, you name some incredibly talented players.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
My gosh, we you and I both watched Nigel back
when he's playing a case state before you even went
to Miami, and then Xavier Brown obviously, and Darien Reed
we saw him on Alabama's Elite eight Team of Year ago.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Tay Davis played at Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I mean, good, good players on that is it possible
sometimes that the chemistry, even as much as they see
each other every day and work and practice every day
in game in game out, sometimes that that winning chemistry
might elude a team. Sometimes I get that feeling about
the long runs in some games.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, I think that's completely accurate. And we're going to
see that fluctuate wildly with everybody across collegian athletics, especially
in basketball when you've got such a small roster and
everybody we play, Craig, when you're filling out that pregame
spot erboard or you're doing your notes, everybody we play
in the SEC has what two or three guys back
(11:08):
maybe from the year before. Yeah, and maybe not some
teams have like one guy back from the year, and
so it's such churn, such complete turnover from year to
year that some years it's gonna hit, it's gonna click,
everything's gonna.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Work perfectly, and some years it's just not.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
And you have the best of intentions. It seems like
on paper that it should work, and for whatever reason,
whether it's chemistry or injury or whatever.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
It just doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
And so I think there's gonna have to be an
acknowledgment of that, especially in basketball that you know, we
got eighty percent of our roster is new this year
compared to last. Maybe it's the Final four team, and
maybe it's a team that misses the tournament.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
It's just hard to know.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Toby Roland Sooner's played by play voice visiting with this
year on thirteen hundred The Zone. I want to go
back to Nigel Pack for a moment and get your
thoughts on the contributions he's made. As I mentioned, you
and I have been doing the longer and he don't
even have to be doing it that long to see
when he was contributing to Kansas State and appeared nine
games from Miami a year ago as well. But that's
the world we live in now with the players that
(12:15):
we see through what we just discussed there. But how
about your thoughts on what Nigel gives Porter and the Sooners.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I sure like him in a red uniform more than
a purple one. Yeah, I can tell you that he
absolutely killed us when he was at Kansas State. A
very mature, delightful young man. You can tell he has
played a ton of college basketball, and he is a
veteran and he's been around for a while. He's just
(12:47):
he seems like an extra assistant coach. That's how much
of an old head he is. And he's obviously incredibly talented.
His range is limitless and when he gets hot, and
like he has been the last couple of games, he's
I think one of the best weapons in the SEC.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I mean he's he can.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Go out to thirty feet, it's an incredibly quick release.
Arkansas faceguarded in the entire second half wherever he went,
and he still hit a couple of big threes against him.
He can be a bit of a liability on the
other end because of his size at times, but he'll
fight you in works hard. He still gets three and
a half rebounds a game at five, ten, and it's
the shooting weapon is among the best in all of
(13:29):
the sport.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
And so you just gotta you know when he's on.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
When he hits one or two early sooner fans get
pretty excited because they know that could mean that four, five,
six more could follow.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Absolutely, you know, I got a chuckle. And again this
is out of that same file we're talking about. And
when I was looking at the game notes, the ou
Gay notes, I was looking and I was reading about
Xavier Brown, and I thought, well, when I first saw
on there, I thought he sounds familiar. Then I look
and I'm like, oh, I know this dude. It last
year playing it at Saint Joe's and almost single handedly
(14:04):
beat Texas long words managed to win the game. It
was an early season tournament game in Brooklyn and he
had a the game and all he was was first
team All A tenant Saint Joe's a year ago. So
it's an excellent, good compliment the pack, isn't he Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
They work great together.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
He's crafty, not going to play above the rim, but
excellent getting to the bucket and can finish with either hand.
He can shoot the three, he can shoot the mid range. Again,
he's not super big, he's six'. One he's good at
kind of jumping the other direction to get his shot
off when he gets down into the, trees and both
those guys they need him to. Score you, know thirty
(14:47):
thirty five points a game combined out of the two
of them is what they need to be. Successful the
problem they've ran into is a Couple xavier has to
play so many. Minutes they just can't afford to have
him off the. COURT i, mean he's the guy they
trust most with the ball in his. Hands nigel can
play a little, Point Kay davis will play a little point,
forward But Xavier brown is the guy that they need
(15:10):
the basketball in his, hands especially in the second. Half
he's the top three throw shooter in the. Conference and
when you've got, us you, know two small, guards one's
five to ten and one six.' one they have ran
into several situations, this year especially in, conference play where,
bigger guards, you know there's a bunch of you guys
got some two there's a bunch of, sixty three six
four sixty five guards out there in. The league we'll
(15:32):
just back them into, the post and That forces oklahoma to,
double team and it starts the merry go round. After
that so, they're little which has been a detriment. At
times but they can go, get buckets that's. For Sure
And xavier brown's the. Leading scorer he does, it Quietly
not nigel tends. To be, you Know when nigel hits thirty,
foot threes it's, eye popping it's It Makes sports center
(15:54):
a lot. Of times we'll get to the end of
the Night And xavier brown will have scored twenty two
points and My Partner kevin HENRY and i look at
each other and say, that TRUE like i can't, be
right can't like it's. So quiet he gets there, very
quietly but he's he's a.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Bucket getter texas and oh you play tomorrow At The
Lloyd noble Center in norman one o'clock here on the
zone for that twelve thirty.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Year time let me get a quick question from.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Quick TALK because i know you obviously have kept up.
With it and it's A Big texas oh, you weekend
where as they say, up there Oh you. Texas weekend
it's a big weekend overall Because the sooner women will
be down Here on sunday to take On The texas
Women ESPN's College game day will be here all, that
STUFF and i tell Everybody About aleah chabez because she's
(16:39):
been had a pretty special freshman Campaign.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
For Oklahoma For, Jenny, barnja.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah it's true freshman Out, of lubbock number one recruit
in the country out of high school.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
And dynamic.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Her overtime Period Against south carolina and that big Win
the sooner's got about a week ago was one of
the best performances that we've ever seen. Around here she
had fifteen points in overtime to help beat Number Two.
South carolina that's what she's capable. Of doing she can
put up a bunch of points in. A hurry she's
a tremendous three, point shooter very fast in the. Open
(17:15):
floor she's a. True freshman so you'll see games or
periods of games where she'll kind of disappear and, you'll Say,
Where's chavez and then you'll See other knights or parts
of the game where she just takes over and goes
for thirty and looks like a First Team. All american
so she needs to work on her consist consistency a.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Little bit but, You.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Know oklahoma likes to play high tempo and she is
the perfect quarterback for that style. Of play they Still Have,
peyton bearholtz they Still Have reagan beers and pretty much
all the weapons that they had last year when they
Were a sweet, sixteen Team but chavez is the difference
and the player that they feel like could help them
get farther. This season that gotta be a. Great game
(17:57):
i'm looking forward to both matchups between. Those teams maybe
there'll be more than two.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
This.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Year, Yeah yeah Texas Played south carolina four times. Last
year they played them twice already, this year so it
certainly happens IN.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
The sec quick, up date.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Bring us up to date on our Good Friends kip
johnson and what sooner baseball will, look like because we
are just around the corner.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
From that happening two weeks from the day With.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
The, OPENERS yeah i am very excited about. This team
is similar to what we said, about basketball so much
turn so many new faces that it takes us even
after the season, gets Going sometimes craig two or three
weeks to kind of get familiar with everybody and get
any kind of an idea of how good the team.
(18:39):
MIGHT be i think they did a tremendous job through
the transfer portal beefing up their batting lineup. This year that,
the hitters that was where they lacked. Last year they
had front line pitching that could match anybody in the
conference With the, witherspoon twins but they didn't score, runs
enough and so they really made an effort to beef
(18:59):
up their line went and got a Couple of Juco
all american Catchers and dayton the Chance brock is Out
of illinois and several. Other bats They Got jason, Walks
Back jackson willets, his back AND so i think the
lineup is gonna, be better maybe. Significantly better we'll see about.
THE arms i think the feeling In sooner land is.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
In skip.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
We, trust yeah you don't know who it's gonna. Be
Yet The mercurious brothers have COME. From unlv one of
them is the, true freshman the other TRANSFERRED, from UNLV
and i THINK probably lj is going to Be their friday.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Night guy.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
We'll see rarick Came from texas from, you guys and
there's A chance i think he fits into the. Equation
somewhere but it's gonna, be uh it's gonna take. A
while i think before we are able to settle in
and see just How good oklahoma's gonna be On the diamond.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
This year and it'll be the same thing obviously with The,
long worns even though they stop start by being ranked
in the. Top ten but as we, both know that's
a process it'll take time. To, UNFOLD hey i appreciate
you doing This and i'll be up there. This evening
look forward to see AT the. Lnc tomorrow can't wait to, see,
You brother. Safe travels. Thank you That Is, toby rowland
play by play voice Of The. Oklahoma sooners We have
(20:07):
inconceivable coming up next on sports radioing in thirteen Under.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
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