February 2, 2026 • 24 mins
With this morning's UIL Realignment release, DCTF Editor-in-Chief Greg Tepper joins the show to share his reactions and takeaways from the new districts and regions for 2026-27.
They break down the non-district scheduling implications at play, why Austin ISD schools should be happy with the draw, discuss the chain reactions leading to Leander ISD moving regions, and share some of the potentially exciting postseason matchups we could see in the near future.
They break down the non-district scheduling implications at play, why Austin ISD schools should be happy with the draw, discuss the chain reactions leading to Leander ISD moving regions, and share some of the potentially exciting postseason matchups we could see in the near future.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here on a Monday afternoon on sports Radio AM thirteen
under the Zone. This is groundog day, It's realignment day,
and so sometimes the two seemed to go hand in hand.
With that, we are always pleased to be joined by
the editor in chief of Dave Campbell's Texas Football magazine,
Greg Tepper, who joins us. And we like to really
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be able to pick TAP's brain at the most crazy
hypnotic times of year, and this one certainly counts as
one of those, except we only get it every other year, right.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Tip, Yeah, today is a real sickos holiday, you know
what I mean. If you're if you're if you're like me,
and you're like, I'm just gonna speak for Craig. If
you're like Craig, today is a holiday. Today is a
big day because you've got UIL realignment and it's it's
I think one of the things that I love about
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UIL realignment. It is one of the very very very
few days on the Texas high school football calendar and
the Texas high school athletic calendar that impacts every single
ui L team every single time.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Now, you know, some of these teams.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Not a whole lot to say, you know, we we
didn't didn't move all that much, but you had so
many different changes and so many teams impacted by.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Today that you just don't have that.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Like even when the playoffs roll around, that's only about
you know, a little more than half the teams that
are that that that are involved. This is every single
team is waiting until nine am. And but yeah, those
final five minutes, I think those final five minutes, you
can bottle that anxiety in those rooms and people it
gets kind of quiet among the you know, the normally
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coaches are shooting the breeze and then suddenly kind of
the volume lowers.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Because everybody knows Hochi's it's coming.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
And so yeah, I love relignment. Relignment is is manna
from heaven as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, and uh, down in these parts and for folks
who who want to see, I always equate this scene
to the one if you've ever seen the moving trading
places with the stock exchange thing where they're going back
and forth. Uh that that the coaches once the packets
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the boxes are broken open and it's on the screens
and the packets are are are presented, the guys start
seeing what districts they're in and then the mad scramble
ensues for non district play and what opponents for schedules,
And what I was heard was the common phrase that
was repeated around here down in these parts was a
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comment to Galen Zimmerman, the head coach at Dripping Springs.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Don't look at us. We're not playing you.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And I would imagine, uh, you know, for schools like
Gunkan Villain de Soto and some of the else at
Lake Carrol, it's probably the same kind of challenge.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
We a lot of a lot of guys with not
a lot of eye contact made with them today. You
know what I mean, You don't You don't want to
catch you don't want to catch the wrong guy looking
at you, because otherwise you know you're gonna you know,
you're gonna end up playing a Week three game against
a team that might kick your tail. But yeah, that's
what I think is one of the things that is
really remarkable about today is for every team, literally every team,
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some of them have a pretty good idea based on geography,
but for every team, they're waiting to see what that
number is, which is how many teams are in your district,
and that can vary wildly, and there's some teams that
I think have every reason to be excited about their
their number, and there's some teams that I think have
reason to be.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Upset, Like, for example, you go out.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I think one of the headlines in Class six A
is in the Little Southwest Conference District's two six A
where if you didn't know, Wolford's Friendship out of the
Lubbock area is no longer a six A program. They're
dropping down. They open up a new school Friendship Memorial.
So as a result, there's only five teams out there.
Midland Midland leg S seem to be Midland League in Odessa, Odessa, Premian,
San Angelo Central. The UIL opted instead of drawing one
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or two other teams into that district, decide to leave
that alone and say, okay, you guys get a five
team district. That seems well and good. Oh hey, cool,
you get four. You know, the four teams make the playoffs.
I got an eighty percent shot to make the playoffs.
Basically have to win one district game to get in.
But then you consider these guys have to go out
and find six non district games, including theoretically a week
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six non district game win. Nobody's looking for that, and
certainly nobody in that neck of the woods around their
size is looking for it.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
So that's one of the things I think is interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
The other thing on the other side of it, you
take a look at South Oakcliff, South oak Cliff, I'm
slew over my shoulder here. They play in a kind
of famous they overmatch their district.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I don't think it's really, you know, unfair to say that.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
And so that is why South Oakcliffe really relish is
scheduling not tough non district game. You may remember they
beat North Shore in the opener and then they lost
to Dunkinville by a touchdown later that week later in
the non district They like that because it.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Battle tests them well.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
The UIL threw an extra team in there in Mesquite
po tit, which functionally costs them a non district game,
And so there's always That's one thing that every team
is looking for is just the number of non district
games they've got to find. And I know we've had
some games that were kind of written in pencil that
had to get scratched off because we're not the district.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Alignment didn't line up bigger, bigger story statewide. Statewide, the
Sodos dropped to five A or Alitos move up to
six A.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
It's probably Alito's moves to six A, just because it's
kind of been one of the things we've been waiting for.
They've been such a powerhouse there in the five A
ranks to finally move up from an enrollment perspective, not
the least of which reason is that the six A
number drops, the six A cutoff number drops, and so
as a result, you know, Alito now moving up to
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class six A for the first time.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
How do they fare? I think that's kind of always
been the.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
If you want to say, if there's any knock on
the most decorated UIL eleven man program, I would be, oh, well, yeah,
you're playing in A five A. Well, now they're moving
up to six A, I would say. I think they
got a fairly decent draw. It could have been a
lot worse for them. They land with the Arlington is
SD schools instead of with potentially North Crowley, potentially you know,
other outstanding programs out there in in THEFW metroplex. The
DeSoto one is obviously big news because you have a
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six A State champ dropping down to five A. But
remember this was one of the things we've been through
the past couple of years. You know, last year the
Sota turned into five A number, but they opted up.
I think that we had Claude Mathis on our show,
on our relignment show today, the head coach at De
Soto and and he kind of thinks what I think,
which is like, I don't know if it's gonna get
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a whole lot easier for them.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I mean, they're in a difficult district.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
They're bringing Cedar Hill in Lancaster with them, They're gonna
be dropping a Lothian and some in Mansfield schools.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
It's a it's a tough district. So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I think that that for Aldo to be doing it
for the first time, I think is big news.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
You know, one thing is is going to be really
interesting is down here, the big the big water cooler
topic down here. No doubt is that. I think it's
the first time ever there are three six A districts
in the Greater Austin Central Texas area. I had doctor
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Jamie Harrison on I said, when was the last time
the largest classification. I mean, if you go back to
pre nomenclature changing days. When they just started calling five
A six A the largest classification. When's the last time
that you had three five A districts in the Greater
Austin Central Texas area, And he says, I'm inclined to
say never.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I don't think he's ever had because of the enrollment.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
But like all things that start from a trickle down,
it starts with Rouse, Leander, Cedar Park, and East fore
All moving up.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
To six A.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Also, I can't remember the last time the Leander ID
and the Round Rock ISD were not in the same district.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
But the math doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
So the down from that is you've got the Round
Rock schools in with Westlake Lake Travis there with those
five and then it creates a third district. And I'm
here to tell you the AISD six A coaches have
to be dancing in the streets because you've got Austin,
You've got Akins, you got Bowie Hayes moving up to
six A, YOUTA, Johnson Dell Valley and Dripping Springs all
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in twenty six six A, And as a bonus tap,
you've got twenty four and twenty five are in different regions,
so it's mathematically possible for Vandergrit to play Westlake first
state championship.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
You hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I think Austin is actually the chaos central of six
A alignment this year because of what exactly you just
laid out. Obviously, there's so many trickle down effects. Obviously
you mentioned Land, your IC and their growth. They're all
those teams moving up there. But what I think is
absolutely fascinating is let's go back and trickle down even
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because you're right. Suddenly there's an Austin an Austin area
district in Region three, which is functionally the Houston region, right, I.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Mean it's where and by the way I said I
said state champions I meant say state semi final.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
It could be in in regions three and four.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
And and so you can have you will now have
an Austin an Austin district in the essentially the Houston region.
Is the way that I would think about it. That's
absolutely fascinating. And the reason it happened is because and
this is the kind of stuff I love because of Houston,
ID Because Houston I SD for the first time in
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what maybe forever, doesn't have a six A district they don't.
So as a result, well a spot opened up in
Region three, somebody's got to fill it, and so that
ended up going to Leander Ice. And so, yeah, you're
exactly right. Suddenly Vandergrift and Drew Sanders is going to
be playing, you know, potentially a first round playoff game.
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Not potentially he won't be playing for a first round
playoff game against Si Fair ISD, you know, in the
Houston area. And so it is a absolutely fascinating drawing.
And again I think it's a perfect manifestation of that
trickle down that it all has to fit together. And
when you have a team like Houston Lamar being one
of the most consequential teams in cluss in Texas high
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school football, that's how you get the team in Austin
Area district in Region four. And I think you're three
other and I think you're absolutely right, by the way,
among the biggest winners in realignment, I would say would
be the entirety of District twenty six to sixth A
dripping springs a chief man of them, but Austin ID
as well.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
It's got to feel really good about this draw.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, you know, it's going to be interesting with west
Lake and Lake Travison with the five round rock schools
again and in visiting with Hank Carter, what that means
is for him, it's twofold.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
One.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
He doesn't have a district game against Ripping Springs. Two,
he doesn't have to travel to the Metroplex as he's
done past for years to play schools like Rock Wall
and Arlington Martin. So guess who's playing non district week one?
Lake Travis and Drip How about that? Yeah, I mean yeah,
I mean why not?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Now? Now you can sign it up.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
It's kind of like I believe South Oak Cliff and
Richmond Randall are going to play in non district play
because which is a rematch of the time game, Because
why not? I mean, you know, you're not necessarily relevant
to each other, at least as relevant to each other
as you would be. And obviously that is a perfect
example of we'd love to meet again. That would mean
that things have gone pretty well for us if we
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were to play again. But I think that that you're right,
that is why these this realignment, and it goes even deeper.
We've tried to tell people like whenever you pull out
the realignment.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Of course, you're gonna look for where your team is.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You look at your district, but zoom out, zoom ount
and look at the by district matchup is zoom out
and look at what region you're in, because you know,
go ask some of these teams the difference between District
sixteen and District seventeen. I mean, go ask some of
these teams marked the difference between eight, District eight and
District nine as they saw today. Go ask Stevenville, the
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reigning four A Division one state champs, what the difference
is between what their district was last year, which I
think was District five.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Now they're in District twelve.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
They will be playing on the they will play be
playing potentially a first round playoff game against El Campo.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Okay, like, go draw that out.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
There were some geographic whackiness, certainly, and obviously a lot
of it centralized on the central part of the of
the state because they can kind of go every which way.
You know, it's hard to put a team in El
Paso anywhere other than the Region one. But this was certainly,
from a regional perspective, a pretty remarkable.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Realignment.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Wrap your mind around the prospect of a district game
between steven Ville and Gerald.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Oh my gosh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I mean there's there's a couple. I'll tell you the
other one. And my coworker, Ashley Pikele is not none
too pleased about this. If you saw their raw, Lano
is heading out to play Wall in the Concho Valley.
I mean, go basically like go go draw that out.
There's a couple of them. And again, you know, if
you take a look at the maps, they actually do
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you gotta look at the maps kind of in totality.
That's I think. The biggest thing is that if you
the more you zoom in, the less sense it will make.
But the more you zoom out, you see, Okay, well
these things fit together. Not to here tell you that
the UIL is perfect, and the UIL won't claim to
be perfect. But I will say that some of these,
some of these kind of strange bedfellows, I think is
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one of them.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I'll give you another example.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Maybe the longest travel in a three eight is gonna
be a chief among them. Sweet Water is playing Kermit
in district play. Go go throw that into Google Maps.
Sweet Water to Kermit. Kurmit is basically in New Mexico. Uh,
it is gonna be. There's gonna be some well travel
going on. But I think these especially West SEXUS three.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Folks are used to it.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, talking re alignment. Greg Chepper of day Can Texas
Football Magazine, I want to roll back to five A
Division one again. You got another one of those, as
I call it, CUSP situations there the dividing line between
regions three and four, and you got another deal where
you theoretically for the Greater Austin area could have a
state semifinal. Georgetown is in district trub but also college
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Station's in there a and m Kansol is in there. Hey,
you got those in there. And in thirteen, what what's
sending shockwaves around the area The Taco shack Ball which
is now of course the Shoal Creek Showdown is now
a district game again as it was for many years,
and so no more season opener at How's Park for
Anderson and McCallum.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
That'll come in district, play well and respectfully, that's the
way it should be. That should be a district game.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's my that's my if, if im my brothers and
I know that's not how the UIL draws it up,
but I think that should be a district game. But
I think that that is absolutely remarkable. Now, look, you
know you mentioned District thirteen is no picnic for them
to be lumped in with San Antonio teams, most notably
two time defending five A to Desalin State champs Misson
Valley in there. But you know, as a small token
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of appreciation, you know, of getting thrown into that district,
you do get to have a district game.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
That'll be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
And I do think you're right, people should pay attention
to that kind of College Station, Georgetown, Flugerville, Kilean district
there in District twelve, because if you're right, that's right
on the cusp and.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
You could easily easily.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Just kind of snap your fingers and see them flowing
floating over to Region four. I think that there's there
was a lot of consternation there as far as where
that line.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Was going to be. But I think that you know,
the UIL's got.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
To draw lines somewhere in College Station, at least in
the five A and four A levels. Tends to be
where you get these cuts. Tends to be like someone's
got to be on this side of line, and someone's
got to be on the other side of the line. I'll
give you another example of it is if you take
a look at at Marlin. Marlin is in a reason
four there in two a division one. If you were
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to scroll up and look on the other side of it,
I mean, you've got teams that are pretty near there,
like Reesel is in this region two.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
You know, like there's if.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You start digging into it, you'll see some a little
bit of geographic whackiness here, just because the un travel
line somewhere and and and in the end, some teams
are gonna be on one side and some teams are
gonna be the other, even if they are relatively local
with each other.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I've always said the Brian College stationery and I meant
to sincerely kind of falls on the fault line, as
I'd like to say. Now long worn fans will take
that to mean something entirely different.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
But that's another story. The the UH and.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Then and then the other thing I was gonna ask
you about, you know, with with all of this happening,
and and you mentioned UH clearly in five A division
one as we were talking about the two time defending
state champion Smithson Valley in the district with Anderson McCallum
and Cedar Creek and Birdie Champion and Layman and Lockhart
and Maynor and Sageane mayn A dropping down from six
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A is Yeah, Maynor was in a tough district and
so they dropped the five A and and look who
they're staring at in district play. But then you could
you could visualize, couldn't you a semi final between Weiss
and and UH in Smithson Valley or A and M
consolidated or Georgetown and Smithson Valley in the state semi final?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Oh? I think you absolutely could. I think you absolutely could.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I've I've had people tell me Austin area coaches tell
me they think Slugerville Weiss is the is the is
the most talented Austin team UH in the state, regardless
of classification. And I think you take a look at
the playmakers they've got, they're gonna be a real problem.
And you're exactly right that district there, you know, you
add in a Georgetown into what was already kind of
a loaded triumvirate there of College Station, Fligerville, wess And and Consolidated.
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That's gonna be fun and what I think is going
to be absolutely fascinating. Again, the more you zoom out,
the more interesting it gets. Go look at their by
district matchup in District eleven, where you've got Richmond Randall,
Iowa Colony Engleton a good friends would program Victoria East
had to go.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
It's going to be traveled.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I mean, this is a that's a fun region that
is going to have some really that eleven and twelve
by district matchup, I think it's going to be a
lot of fun. And I'll throw in one more team
kind of from that Greater Austin area that I think
is looking at a realignment and say, well, what do
we do wrong?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Take a look at what happened to Liberty Hill.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Liberty Hill swings over to Region four, okay over in
the District thirteen and their reward their reward. Now, I
think this is my opinion right here from the jump,
I would say that Region four is probably a little
more manageable than Region three.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
That's that's where I sit right here on February second.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, but your reward is you're gonna get Alimo Heights,
Bernie and New bron Folds in district play. New bron
Foles was a ten. It was a team that was
a regional semifinalist last year in five a D one
dropping down and there's suddenly, I mean, Liberty Hill caught
the brunt of this. In my opinion, I think they
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got a pretty, you know, usually a little bit more improved,
but brutal district draw. That's going to be a dog
fight there in thirteen to five eighty two.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, some folks might point to the fact that there
were quote unquote expansion teams in there in Long Creek
from New Brompolos and the new Legacy Ranch School in there,
but you got to but in mentioning, okay, give you
those two, but you're gonna be stuck with burning New
Bronfels and Alamo Heights.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
And that's Memorial as well.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Best Memorials had great Best Memorials had a kids to
Ohio State is a running back at one point not
too long ago. The other thing is, you know, you
mentioned those two new programs there that they're gonna be
drawing with with Legacy Ranch there in Liberty Hill and
New Bronfls Long Creek, it'll be easy to say, Okay, well,
those are easy wins.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I think that we have entered an era here in
Texas high school football where you can necessarily rule out
some of these new kind of burgeoning programs up and
getting some teams because we've now seen it enough across
the state of Texas that those young programs come hungry
and they come ready to play.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I mean, think about when Brock started up football. Two
years into it, they're a state titleist. And then and
then obviously you mentioned Richmond Randall. That's another quick starter
UH type thing. So Katie Peyton, Katie Pete.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Won the state championship in their early days.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yep, yep, absolutely final thought here, how about UH in
five a D two in Region one District four, Salina
moving up. UH It's all it makes for quick road
trips when you've you've got the Frisco is SD kind
of splintering up for the first time in a while,
and you've got the you've got those UH four schools there,
but the new Prosper school Richland in there with UH
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and UH five Frisco schools, and then Solna's in there
with Anna and Dennison.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
It is a nineteen district, so you got to be
ready right out of shoot. Basically you're playing, you know,
your third game of the year is a game that matters.
And you're right, you've got some box office games there
between Salina, uh and Panther Creek, Frisco who had a
really really nice year last year. Uh, you know, Frisco Emerson,
who've seen play deep at times. I'm pretty high on
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Dennison there kind of coming down from Texoma. And then
you're right, Prosper Richland is a program that you know,
the last new profper team, Prosper Walnut Grove was a
quick starter, and so we know that's a talent rich
part of the state.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
It is.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
It is going to be really fascinating to see a
lot of those some kind of some of these new
new blood, right you know, Frisco, Panther Create, Frisco Emerson,
Prosper Richland, you know, and then you've got some old
old blood like like Salina and Frisco and Dennison. You've
kind of got an interesting kind of pedigree mix there,
which I think will make for a fun uh kind
of jaunt through a District four or five envision chill
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and here's the final.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Uh, make my head explode fact for an og uh
Here for me, when I was in college at North Texas, Uh,
where I cut my teeth on doing play by play
was doing Pilot Point football in their glory days in
the early eighties, and and then in basketball for one
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year I was the voice of both the Crumb Bobcats
and the Ponder Lions. Now they were both back then
one A schools had no football, tiny little schools who
had a bloodthirst. Uh, just incredible rivalry six miles apart
on farm to market one fifty six. They both grew,
they went their separate race. Well guess what, they're both
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for A Division two schools and they're both in the
same district, Crumb and Ponder the rivalries back maybe.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, yeah, there's been a little bit of growth there,
I'll say that much.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah, you're you're exactly right.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
You know who would have thought that back then?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
You know, you look at some of the teams, think
about them being in the district with Gainesville.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
That is a crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Thought for for folks who have covered high school football,
you know long enough. But this is a yeah, it's
a It's always fun because one of the other things
that you get if you cover Texas high school football
as nerdly as we do is you get to learn
like the demographic shifts across the state. You get to
learn like where the states grow, where the state of shrinking.
Where you know these things, And it's one of those
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it's one of those byproducts of covering the sport like
this that you get to understand like, oh, actually, like
that west side of Houston's actually growing really significantly. Oh yeah,
by the way, the DFW Metroplex suburbs are really grown.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Lander.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Lander is a perfect example of Like, that's an example
of understanding where the growth is.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And it makes for a fun realignment day like today,
no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Hey, I appreciate you doing it, and we're we're both
in for a lot of fun in the in the
months to come.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
So I have fun sorting all this out. Oh yeah,
I've I'm gonna go. I need to stop looking at
it now.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I've looked at it like all day and I need to, like,
I need to get my brain a break.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But I know what I'm going to be dreaming about tonight.
I know that. There you go, Thanks teb.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
By guys, all right, that's Greg Tapper, editor in chief
of Dave Campbell's Texas Football magazine.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, we both know down on this. I did a.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Television show every realignment, so that's every other year on
the even years from nineteen ninety four were all the
way through two years ago.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
This first time.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I haven't done one since nineteen ninety because the television
component went away. Now Victory Plus may bring it back
now that they're new to the game. So it was
different for me, but it was interesting looking at it
from the outside end. All Right, we'll be back to
some more basketball talk here on thirteen Hunder of the Zone.
Here on a Monday afternoon on sports Radio AM thirteen
under the Zone. This is groundog day, It's realignment day,
and so sometimes the two seemed to go hand in hand.
With that, we are always pleased to be joined by
the editor in chief of Dave Campbell's Texas Football magazine,
Greg Tepper, who joins us. And we like to really
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be able to pick TAP's brain at the most crazy
hypnotic times of year, and this one certainly counts as
one of those, except we only get it every other year, right.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Tip, Yeah, today is a real sickos holiday, you know
what I mean. If you're if you're if you're like me,
and you're like, I'm just gonna speak for Craig. If
you're like Craig, today is a holiday. Today is a
big day because you've got UIL realignment and it's it's
I think one of the things that I love about
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UIL realignment. It is one of the very very very
few days on the Texas high school football calendar and
the Texas high school athletic calendar that impacts every single
ui L team every single time.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Now, you know, some of these teams.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Not a whole lot to say, you know, we we
didn't didn't move all that much, but you had so
many different changes and so many teams impacted by.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Today that you just don't have that.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Like even when the playoffs roll around, that's only about
you know, a little more than half the teams that
are that that that are involved. This is every single
team is waiting until nine am. And but yeah, those
final five minutes, I think those final five minutes, you
can bottle that anxiety in those rooms and people it
gets kind of quiet among the you know, the normally
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coaches are shooting the breeze and then suddenly kind of
the volume lowers.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Because everybody knows Hochi's it's coming.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
And so yeah, I love relignment. Relignment is is manna
from heaven as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, and uh, down in these parts and for folks
who who want to see, I always equate this scene
to the one if you've ever seen the moving trading
places with the stock exchange thing where they're going back
and forth. Uh that that the coaches once the packets
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the boxes are broken open and it's on the screens
and the packets are are are presented, the guys start
seeing what districts they're in and then the mad scramble
ensues for non district play and what opponents for schedules,
And what I was heard was the common phrase that
was repeated around here down in these parts was a
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comment to Galen Zimmerman, the head coach at Dripping Springs.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Don't look at us. We're not playing you.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And I would imagine, uh, you know, for schools like
Gunkan Villain de Soto and some of the else at
Lake Carrol, it's probably the same kind of challenge.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
We a lot of a lot of guys with not
a lot of eye contact made with them today. You
know what I mean, You don't You don't want to
catch you don't want to catch the wrong guy looking
at you, because otherwise you know you're gonna you know,
you're gonna end up playing a Week three game against
a team that might kick your tail. But yeah, that's
what I think is one of the things that is
really remarkable about today is for every team, literally every team,
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some of them have a pretty good idea based on geography,
but for every team, they're waiting to see what that
number is, which is how many teams are in your district,
and that can vary wildly, and there's some teams that
I think have every reason to be excited about their
their number, and there's some teams that I think have
reason to be.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Upset, Like, for example, you go out.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I think one of the headlines in Class six A
is in the Little Southwest Conference District's two six A
where if you didn't know, Wolford's Friendship out of the
Lubbock area is no longer a six A program. They're
dropping down. They open up a new school Friendship Memorial.
So as a result, there's only five teams out there.
Midland Midland leg S seem to be Midland League in Odessa, Odessa, Premian,
San Angelo Central. The UIL opted instead of drawing one
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or two other teams into that district, decide to leave
that alone and say, okay, you guys get a five
team district. That seems well and good. Oh hey, cool,
you get four. You know, the four teams make the playoffs.
I got an eighty percent shot to make the playoffs.
Basically have to win one district game to get in.
But then you consider these guys have to go out
and find six non district games, including theoretically a week
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six non district game win. Nobody's looking for that, and
certainly nobody in that neck of the woods around their
size is looking for it.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
So that's one of the things I think is interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
The other thing on the other side of it, you
take a look at South Oakcliff, South oak Cliff, I'm
slew over my shoulder here. They play in a kind
of famous they overmatch their district.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I don't think it's really, you know, unfair to say that.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
And so that is why South Oakcliffe really relish is
scheduling not tough non district game. You may remember they
beat North Shore in the opener and then they lost
to Dunkinville by a touchdown later that week later in
the non district They like that because it.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Battle tests them well.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
The UIL threw an extra team in there in Mesquite
po tit, which functionally costs them a non district game,
And so there's always That's one thing that every team
is looking for is just the number of non district
games they've got to find. And I know we've had
some games that were kind of written in pencil that
had to get scratched off because we're not the district.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Alignment didn't line up bigger, bigger story statewide. Statewide, the
Sodos dropped to five A or Alitos move up to
six A.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
It's probably Alito's moves to six A, just because it's
kind of been one of the things we've been waiting for.
They've been such a powerhouse there in the five A
ranks to finally move up from an enrollment perspective, not
the least of which reason is that the six A
number drops, the six A cutoff number drops, and so
as a result, you know, Alito now moving up to
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class six A for the first time.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
How do they fare? I think that's kind of always
been the.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
If you want to say, if there's any knock on
the most decorated UIL eleven man program, I would be, oh, well, yeah,
you're playing in A five A. Well, now they're moving
up to six A, I would say. I think they
got a fairly decent draw. It could have been a
lot worse for them. They land with the Arlington is
SD schools instead of with potentially North Crowley, potentially you know,
other outstanding programs out there in in THEFW metroplex. The
DeSoto one is obviously big news because you have a
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six A State champ dropping down to five A. But
remember this was one of the things we've been through
the past couple of years. You know, last year the
Sota turned into five A number, but they opted up.
I think that we had Claude Mathis on our show,
on our relignment show today, the head coach at De
Soto and and he kind of thinks what I think,
which is like, I don't know if it's gonna get
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a whole lot easier for them.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I mean, they're in a difficult district.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
They're bringing Cedar Hill in Lancaster with them, They're gonna
be dropping a Lothian and some in Mansfield schools.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
It's a it's a tough district. So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I think that that for Aldo to be doing it
for the first time, I think is big news.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
You know, one thing is is going to be really
interesting is down here, the big the big water cooler
topic down here. No doubt is that. I think it's
the first time ever there are three six A districts
in the Greater Austin Central Texas area. I had doctor
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Jamie Harrison on I said, when was the last time
the largest classification. I mean, if you go back to
pre nomenclature changing days. When they just started calling five
A six A the largest classification. When's the last time
that you had three five A districts in the Greater
Austin Central Texas area, And he says, I'm inclined to
say never.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I don't think he's ever had because of the enrollment.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
But like all things that start from a trickle down,
it starts with Rouse, Leander, Cedar Park, and East fore
All moving up.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
To six A.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Also, I can't remember the last time the Leander ID
and the Round Rock ISD were not in the same district.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
But the math doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
So the down from that is you've got the Round
Rock schools in with Westlake Lake Travis there with those
five and then it creates a third district. And I'm
here to tell you the AISD six A coaches have
to be dancing in the streets because you've got Austin,
You've got Akins, you got Bowie Hayes moving up to
six A, YOUTA, Johnson Dell Valley and Dripping Springs all
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in twenty six six A, And as a bonus tap,
you've got twenty four and twenty five are in different regions,
so it's mathematically possible for Vandergrit to play Westlake first
state championship.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
You hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I think Austin is actually the chaos central of six
A alignment this year because of what exactly you just
laid out. Obviously, there's so many trickle down effects. Obviously
you mentioned Land, your IC and their growth. They're all
those teams moving up there. But what I think is
absolutely fascinating is let's go back and trickle down even
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because you're right. Suddenly there's an Austin an Austin area
district in Region three, which is functionally the Houston region, right, I.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Mean it's where and by the way I said I
said state champions I meant say state semi final.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
It could be in in regions three and four.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
And and so you can have you will now have
an Austin an Austin district in the essentially the Houston region.
Is the way that I would think about it. That's
absolutely fascinating. And the reason it happened is because and
this is the kind of stuff I love because of Houston,
ID Because Houston I SD for the first time in
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what maybe forever, doesn't have a six A district they don't.
So as a result, well a spot opened up in
Region three, somebody's got to fill it, and so that
ended up going to Leander Ice. And so, yeah, you're
exactly right. Suddenly Vandergrift and Drew Sanders is going to
be playing, you know, potentially a first round playoff game.
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Not potentially he won't be playing for a first round
playoff game against Si Fair ISD, you know, in the
Houston area. And so it is a absolutely fascinating drawing.
And again I think it's a perfect manifestation of that
trickle down that it all has to fit together. And
when you have a team like Houston Lamar being one
of the most consequential teams in cluss in Texas high
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school football, that's how you get the team in Austin
Area district in Region four. And I think you're three
other and I think you're absolutely right, by the way,
among the biggest winners in realignment, I would say would
be the entirety of District twenty six to sixth A
dripping springs a chief man of them, but Austin ID
as well.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
It's got to feel really good about this draw.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, you know, it's going to be interesting with west
Lake and Lake Travison with the five round rock schools
again and in visiting with Hank Carter, what that means
is for him, it's twofold.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
One.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
He doesn't have a district game against Ripping Springs. Two,
he doesn't have to travel to the Metroplex as he's
done past for years to play schools like Rock Wall
and Arlington Martin. So guess who's playing non district week one?
Lake Travis and Drip How about that? Yeah, I mean yeah,
I mean why not?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Now? Now you can sign it up.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
It's kind of like I believe South Oak Cliff and
Richmond Randall are going to play in non district play
because which is a rematch of the time game, Because
why not? I mean, you know, you're not necessarily relevant
to each other, at least as relevant to each other
as you would be. And obviously that is a perfect
example of we'd love to meet again. That would mean
that things have gone pretty well for us if we
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were to play again. But I think that that you're right,
that is why these this realignment, and it goes even deeper.
We've tried to tell people like whenever you pull out
the realignment.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Of course, you're gonna look for where your team is.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You look at your district, but zoom out, zoom ount
and look at the by district matchup is zoom out
and look at what region you're in, because you know,
go ask some of these teams the difference between District
sixteen and District seventeen. I mean, go ask some of
these teams marked the difference between eight, District eight and
District nine as they saw today. Go ask Stevenville, the
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reigning four A Division one state champs, what the difference
is between what their district was last year, which I
think was District five.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Now they're in District twelve.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
They will be playing on the they will play be
playing potentially a first round playoff game against El Campo.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Okay, like, go draw that out.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
There were some geographic whackiness, certainly, and obviously a lot
of it centralized on the central part of the of
the state because they can kind of go every which way.
You know, it's hard to put a team in El
Paso anywhere other than the Region one. But this was certainly,
from a regional perspective, a pretty remarkable.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Realignment.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Wrap your mind around the prospect of a district game
between steven Ville and Gerald.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Oh my gosh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I mean there's there's a couple. I'll tell you the
other one. And my coworker, Ashley Pikele is not none
too pleased about this. If you saw their raw, Lano
is heading out to play Wall in the Concho Valley.
I mean, go basically like go go draw that out.
There's a couple of them. And again, you know, if
you take a look at the maps, they actually do
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you gotta look at the maps kind of in totality.
That's I think. The biggest thing is that if you
the more you zoom in, the less sense it will make.
But the more you zoom out, you see, Okay, well
these things fit together. Not to here tell you that
the UIL is perfect, and the UIL won't claim to
be perfect. But I will say that some of these,
some of these kind of strange bedfellows, I think is
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one of them.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I'll give you another example.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Maybe the longest travel in a three eight is gonna
be a chief among them. Sweet Water is playing Kermit
in district play. Go go throw that into Google Maps.
Sweet Water to Kermit. Kurmit is basically in New Mexico. Uh,
it is gonna be. There's gonna be some well travel
going on. But I think these especially West SEXUS three.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Folks are used to it.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, talking re alignment. Greg Chepper of day Can Texas
Football Magazine, I want to roll back to five A
Division one again. You got another one of those, as
I call it, CUSP situations there the dividing line between
regions three and four, and you got another deal where
you theoretically for the Greater Austin area could have a
state semifinal. Georgetown is in district trub but also college
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Station's in there a and m Kansol is in there. Hey,
you got those in there. And in thirteen, what what's
sending shockwaves around the area The Taco shack Ball which
is now of course the Shoal Creek Showdown is now
a district game again as it was for many years,
and so no more season opener at How's Park for
Anderson and McCallum.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
That'll come in district, play well and respectfully, that's the
way it should be. That should be a district game.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's my that's my if, if im my brothers and
I know that's not how the UIL draws it up,
but I think that should be a district game. But
I think that that is absolutely remarkable. Now, look, you
know you mentioned District thirteen is no picnic for them
to be lumped in with San Antonio teams, most notably
two time defending five A to Desalin State champs Misson
Valley in there. But you know, as a small token
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of appreciation, you know, of getting thrown into that district,
you do get to have a district game.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
That'll be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
And I do think you're right, people should pay attention
to that kind of College Station, Georgetown, Flugerville, Kilean district
there in District twelve, because if you're right, that's right
on the cusp and.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
You could easily easily.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Just kind of snap your fingers and see them flowing
floating over to Region four. I think that there's there
was a lot of consternation there as far as where
that line.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Was going to be. But I think that you know,
the UIL's got.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
To draw lines somewhere in College Station, at least in
the five A and four A levels. Tends to be
where you get these cuts. Tends to be like someone's
got to be on this side of line, and someone's
got to be on the other side of the line. I'll
give you another example of it is if you take
a look at at Marlin. Marlin is in a reason
four there in two a division one. If you were
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to scroll up and look on the other side of it,
I mean, you've got teams that are pretty near there,
like Reesel is in this region two.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
You know, like there's if.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You start digging into it, you'll see some a little
bit of geographic whackiness here, just because the un travel
line somewhere and and and in the end, some teams
are gonna be on one side and some teams are
gonna be the other, even if they are relatively local
with each other.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I've always said the Brian College stationery and I meant
to sincerely kind of falls on the fault line, as
I'd like to say. Now long worn fans will take
that to mean something entirely different.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
But that's another story. The the UH and.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Then and then the other thing I was gonna ask
you about, you know, with with all of this happening,
and and you mentioned UH clearly in five A division
one as we were talking about the two time defending
state champion Smithson Valley in the district with Anderson McCallum
and Cedar Creek and Birdie Champion and Layman and Lockhart
and Maynor and Sageane mayn A dropping down from six
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A is Yeah, Maynor was in a tough district and
so they dropped the five A and and look who
they're staring at in district play. But then you could
you could visualize, couldn't you a semi final between Weiss
and and UH in Smithson Valley or A and M
consolidated or Georgetown and Smithson Valley in the state semi final?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Oh? I think you absolutely could. I think you absolutely could.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I've I've had people tell me Austin area coaches tell
me they think Slugerville Weiss is the is the is
the most talented Austin team UH in the state, regardless
of classification. And I think you take a look at
the playmakers they've got, they're gonna be a real problem.
And you're exactly right that district there, you know, you
add in a Georgetown into what was already kind of
a loaded triumvirate there of College Station, Fligerville, wess And and Consolidated.
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That's gonna be fun and what I think is going
to be absolutely fascinating. Again, the more you zoom out,
the more interesting it gets. Go look at their by
district matchup in District eleven, where you've got Richmond Randall,
Iowa Colony Engleton a good friends would program Victoria East
had to go.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
It's going to be traveled.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I mean, this is a that's a fun region that
is going to have some really that eleven and twelve
by district matchup, I think it's going to be a
lot of fun. And I'll throw in one more team
kind of from that Greater Austin area that I think
is looking at a realignment and say, well, what do
we do wrong?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Take a look at what happened to Liberty Hill.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Liberty Hill swings over to Region four, okay over in
the District thirteen and their reward their reward. Now, I
think this is my opinion right here from the jump,
I would say that Region four is probably a little
more manageable than Region three.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
That's that's where I sit right here on February second.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, but your reward is you're gonna get Alimo Heights,
Bernie and New bron Folds in district play. New bron
Foles was a ten. It was a team that was
a regional semifinalist last year in five a D one
dropping down and there's suddenly, I mean, Liberty Hill caught
the brunt of this. In my opinion, I think they
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got a pretty, you know, usually a little bit more improved,
but brutal district draw. That's going to be a dog
fight there in thirteen to five eighty two.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, some folks might point to the fact that there
were quote unquote expansion teams in there in Long Creek
from New Brompolos and the new Legacy Ranch School in there,
but you got to but in mentioning, okay, give you
those two, but you're gonna be stuck with burning New
Bronfels and Alamo Heights.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
And that's Memorial as well.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Best Memorials had great Best Memorials had a kids to
Ohio State is a running back at one point not
too long ago. The other thing is, you know, you
mentioned those two new programs there that they're gonna be
drawing with with Legacy Ranch there in Liberty Hill and
New Bronfls Long Creek, it'll be easy to say, Okay, well,
those are easy wins.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I think that we have entered an era here in
Texas high school football where you can necessarily rule out
some of these new kind of burgeoning programs up and
getting some teams because we've now seen it enough across
the state of Texas that those young programs come hungry
and they come ready to play.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I mean, think about when Brock started up football. Two
years into it, they're a state titleist. And then and
then obviously you mentioned Richmond Randall. That's another quick starter
UH type thing. So Katie Peyton, Katie Pete.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Won the state championship in their early days.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yep, yep, absolutely final thought here, how about UH in
five a D two in Region one District four, Salina
moving up. UH It's all it makes for quick road
trips when you've you've got the Frisco is SD kind
of splintering up for the first time in a while,
and you've got the you've got those UH four schools there,
but the new Prosper school Richland in there with UH
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and UH five Frisco schools, and then Solna's in there
with Anna and Dennison.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
It is a nineteen district, so you got to be
ready right out of shoot. Basically you're playing, you know,
your third game of the year is a game that matters.
And you're right, you've got some box office games there
between Salina, uh and Panther Creek, Frisco who had a
really really nice year last year. Uh, you know, Frisco Emerson,
who've seen play deep at times. I'm pretty high on
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Dennison there kind of coming down from Texoma. And then
you're right, Prosper Richland is a program that you know,
the last new profper team, Prosper Walnut Grove was a
quick starter, and so we know that's a talent rich
part of the state.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
It is.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
It is going to be really fascinating to see a
lot of those some kind of some of these new
new blood, right you know, Frisco, Panther Create, Frisco Emerson,
Prosper Richland, you know, and then you've got some old
old blood like like Salina and Frisco and Dennison. You've
kind of got an interesting kind of pedigree mix there,
which I think will make for a fun uh kind
of jaunt through a District four or five envision chill
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and here's the final.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Uh, make my head explode fact for an og uh
Here for me, when I was in college at North Texas, Uh,
where I cut my teeth on doing play by play
was doing Pilot Point football in their glory days in
the early eighties, and and then in basketball for one
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year I was the voice of both the Crumb Bobcats
and the Ponder Lions. Now they were both back then
one A schools had no football, tiny little schools who
had a bloodthirst. Uh, just incredible rivalry six miles apart
on farm to market one fifty six. They both grew,
they went their separate race. Well guess what, they're both
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for A Division two schools and they're both in the
same district, Crumb and Ponder the rivalries back maybe.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, yeah, there's been a little bit of growth there,
I'll say that much.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah, you're you're exactly right.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
You know who would have thought that back then?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
You know, you look at some of the teams, think
about them being in the district with Gainesville.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
That is a crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Thought for for folks who have covered high school football,
you know long enough. But this is a yeah, it's
a It's always fun because one of the other things
that you get if you cover Texas high school football
as nerdly as we do is you get to learn
like the demographic shifts across the state. You get to
learn like where the states grow, where the state of shrinking.
Where you know these things, And it's one of those
(23:03):
it's one of those byproducts of covering the sport like
this that you get to understand like, oh, actually, like
that west side of Houston's actually growing really significantly. Oh yeah,
by the way, the DFW Metroplex suburbs are really grown.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Lander.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Lander is a perfect example of Like, that's an example
of understanding where the growth is.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And it makes for a fun realignment day like today,
no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Hey, I appreciate you doing it, and we're we're both
in for a lot of fun in the in the
months to come.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
So I have fun sorting all this out. Oh yeah,
I've I'm gonna go. I need to stop looking at
it now.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I've looked at it like all day and I need to, like,
I need to get my brain a break.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But I know what I'm going to be dreaming about tonight.
I know that. There you go, Thanks teb.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
By guys, all right, that's Greg Tapper, editor in chief
of Dave Campbell's Texas Football magazine.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, we both know down on this. I did a.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Television show every realignment, so that's every other year on
the even years from nineteen ninety four were all the
way through two years ago.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
This first time.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I haven't done one since nineteen ninety because the television
component went away. Now Victory Plus may bring it back
now that they're new to the game. So it was
different for me, but it was interesting looking at it
from the outside end. All Right, we'll be back to
some more basketball talk here on thirteen Hunder of the Zone.
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