July 9, 2024 • 23 mins
Dave and Josh mix it up on Kevin Costner's latest film plus their top 3.
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Now Finehard Media presents the Dave RiggardsPodcast. The Dave Rigors Podcast looking forward
to a fourth of July weekend.Have you ever done illegal fireworks? I've
never wanted to touch him. Ialways think I'll be the guy that loses
his finger. Yeah, I've donehim. In fact, I when I
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was a kid in Illinois, weused to do him quite a bit.
Firecrackers, black cats, eighties,the works, we did them all.
Yeah. If you were a ifyou were a loser, all you had
were punks, you know, whichis basically just a stick that glowed and
he'd tirl it around at night andhe would look like a swirly thing,
right right. We had snakes,punks, all kinds of crap. I
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remember being ten years old and myparents we got to a fireworks thing like
an hour and a half early,and I was sitting there thinking, why
are we here so early? Andfireworks aren't even that exciting. I don't
know, even at ten, Iwas just kind of like, whatever,
didn't really didn't do it for you, huh. We never as a kid
growing up in outside Chicago, wenever went to where the fireworks were coming
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from. To this day, Icould not tell you where the fireworks were
coming from, like at my house. Now I know they come from the
high schools around my house. Ihave no idea where they come from,
because my father would always take usto this parking lot on this street.
We just get in the car.He'd drive us this parking lot, this
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crummy little field, and we couldsee the fireworks mostly, you could see
about three quarters of them. Thebottom quarter was below the horizon because we
were so far away, and we'dwatch it that way. And I remember
thinking, what a what a dirty, lousy, cheap ass way that is
to watch fireworks. And now Ido the exact same thing. I don't
go and the high school that doesthe fireworks in my neighborhood is a half
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a mile down the road, andI don't want any thing to do with
going all the way the hell downthere. Did you know you just scrossed
for like thirty seconds. I sawboth of us freeze up for a second.
There you you looked like Joe Biden. You were like, literally you
it's my tribute. It's my tributeto the to the debate. You got
any did you watch that? Doyou have any thoughts on that? Why
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didn't you rate that for me?As Josh Bored, the pre eminent Southern
California movie reviewer, what was yourfeeling you're rating on that little I would
give it five stars for the entertainmentvalue. I have to think Trump's people
were saying, how were you ableto stay so composed and not just you
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know, like he had that onelittle dig where he says, I don't
know what he said there. Idon't think he knows what he said.
What's got me just absolutely I don'tknow what to do with this. I
don't know what to do. Iam blown away by the people who are
blown away, the people who thatnight saw that debate and when, oh
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my god, what happened? Andthe next day and for the next forty
oh my god, what happened?It is like nothing happened. This is
what it's been for the last year. Where have you been. Was it
a surprise to you? Well,yeah, because you know, when he
did the State of the Union,we thought he was going to do this,
and he actually sounded halfway decent,even if what he wasn't saying was
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accurate. All the time, hewas able to talk for forty five forty
eight minutes or whatever. So Ithought it would be a lot like that.
I didn't think it'd be this badit was. I mean, you
know when he did the State ofthe Union and he was hopped up on
goofballs, you know that. Comeon, there's no about that. Did
you ever see the Saturday Night Livebit where you know, I might have
been Joe Episcopo playing Reagan and he'smeeting with people like girl Scouts and he's
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like, oh, well, thesegirl Scout cookies are great. I like
jelly beans. You know. He'sthat bubbling old idiot. And once the
kids leave behind the scenes, you'relike, all right, we're gonna invade
that. And he's like really sharpand he's doing these things and he knows
all the facts, the figures.I thought that was a brilliant bit.
Listen. I want to say somethingto our our friends who watched this.
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Josh Board made such a nice offerto me just a couple of days ago.
He says, Hey, I'm gonnago watch Horizon the I'm not putting
a thumbs up. You're doing whatBill Clinton did when he said I did
not have sex with that woman.But for some reason he showed his thumb
because his people said it's bad topoint, so he kept doing the thumbs
This must be a thing that Ido that triggers that thumbs up. Let
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me see you do it. Tryand do a thumbs up. I think
you got to hold it for asecond. Well, I think maybe it's
the person running the meeting, andsince you're the one running the meeting,
you don't get one. Yeah,that makes a little more sense. I
got the thumbs up. You wantto see my other trick, I can
go like that. This is whatI saw the debab there you go right
there? Nice? Yeah. Andthen seriously, before we started recording,
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I did all kinds of gestures tostill like to see if it was gonna
did it all nice, all thestuff? Nothing happened. Whatever. Anyway,
Josh invited me to come see thenew Kevin Coster movie Horizon. I
wanted to go so badly, butyou gave me two nights, and I
was busy both nights. I couldn'tgo see it. And I wanted to
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because even though the movie is gettingit's getting shitty reviews and it's it's doing
badly, I suspect I would haveliked it just because I love westerns.
I love Kevin Costner, and Ithink I would have enjoyed it in spite
of what the general population is saying. So thank you for inviting me.
I knew when I was writing toyou, I can't make it. You're
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like, he never goes out,so whatever. I was like, imagine
what he's saying to his wife rightnow. And he turned me down again.
But I did. I definitely didwant to go. But I'm anxious
to hear your review. This movie, Horizon, which I just found out
today, is part one of fourmovies. Well, it was supposed to
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be. The second one is alreadygonna be released next month. The problem
is the third one just started filming, and if this one doesn't do well
at the box office and it's notcritically praised, I don't think the studios
are gonna release it. They're gonnasay, hey, we know you put
thirty eight million of your own moneyinto it, We don't care. You
better be putting in a lot morebecause we're not gonna finish this. I
fell asleep hearing about twenty five minutesof it. But the scenes were all
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shot beautifully. Obviously, the cinematographyis great, and it's nice to look
at the places they shot, butit seemed like a lot of stories that
were edited haphazardly. I think theyprobably edited it from a four hour movie
to a three hour movie. Andbecause of that, I think sometimes when
you're making the movie, you don'trealize, well, if you cut this
scene out, it's not gonna makesense to people watching what this character's doing
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because he's the one that was involvedand he knows what that character is doing.
If that makes any sense at all, Yeah, it does. So
the actors are all great. Iwas really surprised with Luke Wilson how great
he was. And yeah and soh. So, you know, the
cast was good and cost does wellwith westerns. But you know, I've
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never been a fan of westerns anyway, so this didn't. This didn't do
anything to make me become more ofa fan. I have no problem with
a three hour movie if it's great. And but what what they did with
this movie is they made television forthe movie. That's what they did.
They made a mini series. Thisis basically a mini series. So that's
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the problem I have with it.It didn't feel like a movie. Well,
how many stars are you giving it? I'm going to give it two
stars out of five. But Ithink I'm being generous. Yeah, why
are you being generous? Well,because I people always ask me how I
determine the amount of stars, andI determined it by how entertained I was,
and I'm not so sure I wastwo stars out of five entertained you
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fell asleep for half an hour.You fell asleep, and that's two.
I don't I don't like this,Josh. I know I do mention that.
I will mention that when I writethe review up, because I don't
think it's fair to not mention that, you know. Roger Ebert once did
a review of a movie he onlystayed for eleven minutes. I think it
was called Brown Bunny, and everybodygave him crap and he said, hey,
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I said, I only stayed foreleven minutes, so you can't give
me crap. And I said,you're a professional crit So then he went
back and watched it again and said, I made the right decision by leaping
after eleven minutes. Yeah, doyou movie critics with your star? Do
you guys all suck at math?Are you terrible at math? Because I
noticed the diceiest, the most challengingyou get is a half a star?
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Right? Exactly? Do you everventure into three quarters of a star?
No? Because if something is thatclose all round up, I'll give the
studio the benefit of the doubt thatthey You are a generous guy, aren't
you. All Right? Well,I'm sorry that this Horizon movie isn't going
to do so well, but that'snot going to stop us from having a
lot of film with Kevin Coster.Today. We're gonna celeb right, one
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of my favorite actors, that's forsure. And I've been lucky enough to
interview him a couple of times.I think he's a good guest. He's
an interesting guy to talk to.I like his movies. And we're gonna
have a cigar or we're gonna talkabout our three favorite Kevin Coster movies here
today, and I guess Horizon isnot gonna make the list. Huh exactly,
But I want to have you makea cigar bet with me, okay
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before we do our lists. Yep, but you can tell me what cigar
you're smoking first. Okay. Ihave a special edition Romeo and is it
Juliette or Julietta? I never know. I think it might be Julietta.
I don't know Julietta. It's aneighteen seventy five Romeo, and Julietta still
has got a paper on there rightthere, eighteen seventy five. That's old.
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Yeah, it isn't that nice.Uh. This is one of my
favorite brands, Romeo. They theyrarely let me down. So that's what
I'm gonna have today. How aboutyou? I'm gonna have an AJ Fernandez
New World because it felt like aCostner thing, a New World the West.
They're going out west to you know, State claims. That's a manly
dark one. So it's almost it'salmost like a black cigar. And I
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heard the darker the leaf, it'sstronger, but I never really noticed that.
So they've always frightened me. That'salmost as dark. Hold it up
to your shirt. Yeah, that'sthat's hardcore, buddy, And you know
my shirt. Since we're talking aboutKevin Costner movies, I figured the demographic
for us today is AARP. Whynot? So here's the cigar bet,
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and I want you to do yourlist first, but I will bet you
one cigar that you cannot guess oneof the Kevin Coster movies on my the
one of them that I'm gonna haveon my list, and I'll give you
a hint that it was nominated forthree Oscars, one of them being in
a big, a big award.So it's not just sound engineering. Okay,
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it's a specific movie I want tosee if you can guess, and
I'll bet you a cigar. I'llgive you three guesses and you won't guess
it. Okay. Uh so I'massuming it's not gonna be one of the
standard Do I get any kind ofa hint of the Oscar thing? Did
nothing for me? Well? TheOscar thing should tell you people have heard
of it. Every person on theplanet has heard of this movie. Is
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it because he's barely in it?Yeah, you're screwing up the bet,
now, that's what it is.It's because oh he's in. Now that's
right, he's in. Okay,the bets off because now now we've gotten
too far in the weeds. Forgetit, Like is it like Molly's Game
or something like that? That wasgood, but we'll forget the bet.
We'll just do it when it's onmy list. Okay, let's hear your
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list, all right? Uh?Well, I chose three movies that feature
and star Kevin Coster. You knowyou're a Kevin Costner fan. You want
to see these, And uh,I'm going to open up with one that
we've talked about extensively here on twoAsholes at the Movies, and uh,
that is open range because if youlike great acting and you like westerns,
you've got Kevin Costner and Robert Duval. And first of all, any movie
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that Robert Duvall is in, ifit was a two star movie, it's
going to become three stars just byhaving Duval in it. Kevin plays this
guy, Charlie Waite with his buddyRobert Duval. These outlaw bad guys have
killed their friend and so they're ona revenge tour against these desperadoes who are
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holding a town kind of hostage.It's almost a little bit like The Magnificent
Seven. It's just a little bitlike that. But it's terrific. It's
written, directed, stars Kevin Costner. He has said to me personally and
many times it's his favorite movie thathe's ever done. I don't know if
that is still true today with HorizonOut, but it's a fantastic western.
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You know you once said on theair and I thought this was really funny.
You said there's never been a rocksong or song in general that you
liked or that got better because aharmonica was in it. You hated harmonica's
and I thought that was funny.So I'm not a big fan of harmonica's,
but you, being a big fanof Westerns, I have to think
that you like the harmonica when it'sin the Western because it adds to the
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vibe. I like Western harmonica music. I don't like harmonica music in rock
and roll. If I can quoteCharlie Harper to you from Two and a
half Men, there is an episodewhere Steven Tyler moves in next door to
him and is carrying on making alot of racket. He's scatting and singing
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and playing his harmonica and keeping Charlieawake all night, And finally Charlie's like,
hey, how about a pause forthe cause? Can you keep it
down? And Steven Tyler is like, people love me in my harmonica,
and Charlie, I thought, veryprecisely responded, they love you, they
tolerate your harmonica. That's good.So Open Range is my first of three
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picks. Who is going to bea perfect world? Do you know this,
Josh Bord is that the Clint Eastwoodone. Clint Eastwood directed and co
stars in A Perfect World where KevinCosner from nineteen ninety three by the plays
Butch Haynes, who is an escapedprison convict and it's his highjinks as he
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is on the run from the lawand he has a little boy that he's
taken hostage with him, and it'sit's a little dark, it's you know,
it's it's not a fun movie.I think it's set in the nineteen
fifties and Kevin Costner is not agood guy in this movie. Yeah.
I remember. That's one of thefirst movies where I saw a scene in
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the trailer and in the trailer yousee Kevin cost like half asleep and he's
really sweaty and money is flying byhis face. And I remember saying to
myself that the trailer, they justgave something away, because you don't sleep
with money flying by your face unlessyou were just shot holding a bag of
money or something and you're laying thereto die and the money's going everywhere,
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and that's exactly what it was inthe movie, and it pissed me off.
I'm like, why didn't trailer needto show that? That's number two,
number three on my list of KevinCoster movies. I gave you a
western, I gave you a nineteenfifties period piece on a runaway, and
number three, I'm going to giveyou a more current day drama called Let
Him Go with Diane Lane. Youknow this movie. It doesn't sound familiar
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by the title. Twenty twenty isthe year it came out Let Him Go.
And this is a dark movie.It is Kevin cost playing a grandfather
and he wants to get his grandsonback. Diane Lane and Kevin cost have
made a trip out to get theirgrandson. Oh and it's kind of a
western, a modern day western.They call it a noir Western, Yeah,
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but it's really only because it's inMontana or Nebraska or something like that.
There's no cowboy action in this thing. It's heroics, that's for sure.
And it is dark, it's gritty, and I thought it was a
terrific movie, one of his absolutebest. So I tried to give you
one from all sorts of different genresright there, Let Him Go from twenty
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twenty, and a lot of peoplelove Diane Lane, so those are.
I like to let him go.It was good three movies right there.
I think you cannot go wrong anytimeyou're looking for a good movie. So,
you know, when we're talking KevinCostner, you know Steve Poltz,
a friend of yours and a friendof mine. He's a you know here
actor. He dated Jewel briefly,and there was all these rumors of Jewel
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dating Kevin Costner for about a monthand a half. Right now, all
of a sudden, he's come outand said, no, nope, we're
just friends. And it's always funnywhen people make these declarations. But I'd
like to know if he really wasdating or I don't know why I care.
I just like gossipy hollow You justa nosy rosie is what it is.
Yeah, all right, let mehear Josh Bord's three favorite Kevin Coster
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movies. I told you before,this is one of my favorites. And
for the longest time, Kevin Costnersaid this was the best movie he ever
did, apparently except until he didOpen Range. Yeah, but even after
he did Dance with the Wolves,he said this was his best Dan Dango.
It was his first starring role withJudd Nelson. It made a whoppe
ninety one thousand dollars at the boxoffice. Steven Spielberg saw this guy Kevin
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Reynolds student film at USC and said, I'll finance it if you want to
make a feature, and they andhe did, and Steven Spielberg produced it
and it's great. And Kevin Costerliked this movie so much that he ended
up doing two more movies with thedirector, water World and Robin Hood.
Both of those were These were threenot successful movies. Yeah, but fan
Dango was great. The music wasgreat. It starts with Elton John Saturday
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Nights all Right for Fighting. Itends with Blind faiths Can't Find My Way
Home. It's a great movie unlessyou're one of the producers who's trying to
get his money back. Then oh, exactly great because that one didn't make
any money. And Judd Nelson playsa nerd, and to prove that nerd
wow, he decides he'll jump outof an airplane because he's afraid of heights.
This scene with the guy who's stonetaking him up on the airplane is
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one of the funniest scenes in movie. His it's hysterical, all right,
Fandango The next movie I'm gonna pickis the one I wanted to make the
bet with you because it was nominatedfor Best Picture and two other nominations.
The soundtrack went double platinum. Doyou know the movie not yet? The
Big Chill? Oh yeah? Sowhat poor Kevin Costner? This would have
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been his first big role, andthey edited out all his scenes. All
his scenes got it out because he'sthe guy who kills himself that causes the
reuniting of these college friends. Kevin, he's the body and so really all
you see of Kevin Costner in itis his hand in the casket. That's
all you see, right. ButI just wanted to pick it because I
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thought, why pick Bullderham in thesemovies we've talked about a million times,
and I love the upside of angerof another baseball movie. I didn't want
to go down this path of somebodysaying didn't they talk about this two episodes
ago? So I thought, I'mgonna go Big Chill and win a cigar
from Dave, which I ended upnot winning. The last movie on my
list is definitely going to be onethat you love if you've seen it out
with Sean Young and Gene Hackman,great movie and I just loved it.
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And it's always Hackman, just likeDuval. Yeah, oh yeah, he's
in He makes that movie fifty percentbetter just by being in it. Yeah.
They were roommates for a while backand back before they made it.
Who was what? Who was GeneHackman, Robert Daval. Yeah, they
were roommates, and I think DustinHoffman even living with him briefly. So
the three of those guys, Okay, all right, exactly. This guy
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that I played racquetball with, Iswear every time there was a movie with
a twist, you couldn't shut himup for two months agoing people should have
seen that coming. People should haveseen that, you know, and with
no way out, he said,people should have seen it coming. Kevin
cost Is drinking Stoley vodka all thetime. That's the Russian vodka. What
why would people see that coming?I mean they wouldn't and they didn't and
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no one did. No one sawit coming. That was a great twist
on that movie. Sean Young,Sean this was the movie that Sean Young
rocketed to start him on and theninstantly I guess went, you know,
crazy and hard to work with andicult and all that other kind of stuff.
But that's a terrific movie. Lovethat movie. Yeah. I especially
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liked the douchey, nerdy little assistantto Gene Hacken. Now Gene Hackman plays
like a senator or something in thismovie. I barely remember. He might
have been even a cabinet secretary,but some big, big level American politician,
and he has this irritating, slimy, douchebag little assistant who plays his
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role so well, so very well. That's a great movie, Yeah,
it is. And it's funny howwhen people talk about Kema Coster movies that
one seems to go, you know, like, I mean, it's not
like people are sitting around talking aboutChemick Coster movies, but you think they're
gonna say, oh, Untouchables andthis and that, Like you don't really
hear that movie talked about very often. I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
there's there's believe me, there areso many movies that we didn't include.
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We did not include Dances with Wolves. Okay, do you want to
tell me why you didn't include possiblythe man's most successful movie ever? Why
did you not include Dances with Wolves? I liked it, but I didn't
love it. I mean, Ithink I liked Field the Dreams better.
You know what what gets me?But I think Dances Was with Wolves was
a great movie. And the soundtrackis spectacular, the music the whole thing,
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and I love the movie. Butthe one thing that bugs me about
it is there's a lot of narratingby Kevin Costner in the movie, and
he's reading his diary. You know, this man has he has won his
own assignment. He says, son, you did a great job in the
Civil War. Where would you liketo go? And he says, I
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want to go out west. Sothey send him out to be an explorer
frontierman, and he's recording all ofhis exploits and so all the narrating by
Kevin Costner in the movie is himreading out of a diary, which sounds
like reading, as it should,but it just the pace of it grates
on me. That's a very goodpoint. And you know, it's funny
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you mentioned his reading because have younoticed over the last like five years or
so, his voice is getting alittle rfk rfk on on us. The
Yellowstone thing is an affectation. That'snot what well know. He's in interviews,
he sounds that way too. Yeah, it's he's putting that on.
Believe me, he doesn't sound likethat. He doesn't growl like that in
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real life. No, No,we didn't use tin Cup. We didn't
do The Bodyguard. I mean,these are some big movies. We didn't
do Field of Dreams, we didn'tdo Bulderham, we didn't do all these
big hits. What's wrong with us? How come we didn't choose those?
Are they too obvious? They tooeasy? I didn't care so much for
the Bodyguard. I think his haircutwas bugging me. But I do like
that. This sounds like you're tryingto get an extra picks this time,
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Dave. No, I'm I'm.I am hearing our audience going, we're
the big movies and we didn't choosethem. Gotcha, I got you.
We didn't choose the big movies.All right, very good. Listen,
next time we get together here ontwo Ashles at the movies, we're gonna
answer your questions. We have beencollecting questions that you've been writing to us,
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Now Finehard Media presents the Dave RiggardsPodcast. The Dave Rigors Podcast looking forward
to a fourth of July weekend.Have you ever done illegal fireworks? I've
never wanted to touch him. Ialways think I'll be the guy that loses
his finger. Yeah, I've donehim. In fact, I when I
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was a kid in Illinois, weused to do him quite a bit.
Firecrackers, black cats, eighties,the works, we did them all.
Yeah. If you were a ifyou were a loser, all you had
were punks, you know, whichis basically just a stick that glowed and
he'd tirl it around at night andhe would look like a swirly thing,
right right. We had snakes,punks, all kinds of crap. I
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remember being ten years old and myparents we got to a fireworks thing like
an hour and a half early,and I was sitting there thinking, why
are we here so early? Andfireworks aren't even that exciting. I don't
know, even at ten, Iwas just kind of like, whatever,
didn't really didn't do it for you, huh. We never as a kid
growing up in outside Chicago, wenever went to where the fireworks were coming
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from. To this day, Icould not tell you where the fireworks were
coming from, like at my house. Now I know they come from the
high schools around my house. Ihave no idea where they come from,
because my father would always take usto this parking lot on this street.
We just get in the car.He'd drive us this parking lot, this
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crummy little field, and we couldsee the fireworks mostly, you could see
about three quarters of them. Thebottom quarter was below the horizon because we
were so far away, and we'dwatch it that way. And I remember
thinking, what a what a dirty, lousy, cheap ass way that is
to watch fireworks. And now Ido the exact same thing. I don't
go and the high school that doesthe fireworks in my neighborhood is a half
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a mile down the road, andI don't want any thing to do with
going all the way the hell downthere. Did you know you just scrossed
for like thirty seconds. I sawboth of us freeze up for a second.
There you you looked like Joe Biden. You were like, literally you
it's my tribute. It's my tributeto the to the debate. You got
any did you watch that? Doyou have any thoughts on that? Why
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didn't you rate that for me?As Josh Bored, the pre eminent Southern
California movie reviewer, what was yourfeeling you're rating on that little I would
give it five stars for the entertainmentvalue. I have to think Trump's people
were saying, how were you ableto stay so composed and not just you
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know, like he had that onelittle dig where he says, I don't
know what he said there. Idon't think he knows what he said.
What's got me just absolutely I don'tknow what to do with this. I
don't know what to do. Iam blown away by the people who are
blown away, the people who thatnight saw that debate and when, oh
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my god, what happened? Andthe next day and for the next forty
oh my god, what happened?It is like nothing happened. This is
what it's been for the last year. Where have you been. Was it
a surprise to you? Well,yeah, because you know, when he
did the State of the Union,we thought he was going to do this,
and he actually sounded halfway decent,even if what he wasn't saying was
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accurate. All the time, hewas able to talk for forty five forty
eight minutes or whatever. So Ithought it would be a lot like that.
I didn't think it'd be this badit was. I mean, you
know when he did the State ofthe Union and he was hopped up on
goofballs, you know that. Comeon, there's no about that. Did
you ever see the Saturday Night Livebit where you know, I might have
been Joe Episcopo playing Reagan and he'smeeting with people like girl Scouts and he's
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like, oh, well, thesegirl Scout cookies are great. I like
jelly beans. You know. He'sthat bubbling old idiot. And once the
kids leave behind the scenes, you'relike, all right, we're gonna invade
that. And he's like really sharpand he's doing these things and he knows
all the facts, the figures.I thought that was a brilliant bit.
Listen. I want to say somethingto our our friends who watched this.
(04:08):
Josh Board made such a nice offerto me just a couple of days ago.
He says, Hey, I'm gonnago watch Horizon the I'm not putting
a thumbs up. You're doing whatBill Clinton did when he said I did
not have sex with that woman.But for some reason he showed his thumb
because his people said it's bad topoint, so he kept doing the thumbs
This must be a thing that Ido that triggers that thumbs up. Let
(04:29):
me see you do it. Tryand do a thumbs up. I think
you got to hold it for asecond. Well, I think maybe it's
the person running the meeting, andsince you're the one running the meeting,
you don't get one. Yeah,that makes a little more sense. I
got the thumbs up. You wantto see my other trick, I can
go like that. This is whatI saw the debab there you go right
there? Nice? Yeah. Andthen seriously, before we started recording,
(04:53):
I did all kinds of gestures tostill like to see if it was gonna
did it all nice, all thestuff? Nothing happened. Whatever. Anyway,
Josh invited me to come see thenew Kevin Coster movie Horizon. I
wanted to go so badly, butyou gave me two nights, and I
was busy both nights. I couldn'tgo see it. And I wanted to
(05:16):
because even though the movie is gettingit's getting shitty reviews and it's it's doing
badly, I suspect I would haveliked it just because I love westerns.
I love Kevin Costner, and Ithink I would have enjoyed it in spite
of what the general population is saying. So thank you for inviting me.
I knew when I was writing toyou, I can't make it. You're
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like, he never goes out,so whatever. I was like, imagine
what he's saying to his wife rightnow. And he turned me down again.
But I did. I definitely didwant to go. But I'm anxious
to hear your review. This movie, Horizon, which I just found out
today, is part one of fourmovies. Well, it was supposed to
(06:02):
be. The second one is alreadygonna be released next month. The problem
is the third one just started filming, and if this one doesn't do well
at the box office and it's notcritically praised, I don't think the studios
are gonna release it. They're gonnasay, hey, we know you put
thirty eight million of your own moneyinto it, We don't care. You
better be putting in a lot morebecause we're not gonna finish this. I
fell asleep hearing about twenty five minutesof it. But the scenes were all
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shot beautifully. Obviously, the cinematographyis great, and it's nice to look
at the places they shot, butit seemed like a lot of stories that
were edited haphazardly. I think theyprobably edited it from a four hour movie
to a three hour movie. Andbecause of that, I think sometimes when
you're making the movie, you don'trealize, well, if you cut this
scene out, it's not gonna makesense to people watching what this character's doing
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because he's the one that was involvedand he knows what that character is doing.
If that makes any sense at all, Yeah, it does. So
the actors are all great. Iwas really surprised with Luke Wilson how great
he was. And yeah and soh. So, you know, the
cast was good and cost does wellwith westerns. But you know, I've
(07:09):
never been a fan of westerns anyway, so this didn't. This didn't do
anything to make me become more ofa fan. I have no problem with
a three hour movie if it's great. And but what what they did with
this movie is they made television forthe movie. That's what they did.
They made a mini series. Thisis basically a mini series. So that's
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the problem I have with it.It didn't feel like a movie. Well,
how many stars are you giving it? I'm going to give it two
stars out of five. But Ithink I'm being generous. Yeah, why
are you being generous? Well,because I people always ask me how I
determine the amount of stars, andI determined it by how entertained I was,
and I'm not so sure I wastwo stars out of five entertained you
(07:51):
fell asleep for half an hour.You fell asleep, and that's two.
I don't I don't like this,Josh. I know I do mention that.
I will mention that when I writethe review up, because I don't
think it's fair to not mention that, you know. Roger Ebert once did
a review of a movie he onlystayed for eleven minutes. I think it
was called Brown Bunny, and everybodygave him crap and he said, hey,
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I said, I only stayed foreleven minutes, so you can't give
me crap. And I said,you're a professional crit So then he went
back and watched it again and said, I made the right decision by leaping
after eleven minutes. Yeah, doyou movie critics with your star? Do
you guys all suck at math?Are you terrible at math? Because I
noticed the diceiest, the most challengingyou get is a half a star?
(08:37):
Right? Exactly? Do you everventure into three quarters of a star?
No? Because if something is thatclose all round up, I'll give the
studio the benefit of the doubt thatthey You are a generous guy, aren't
you. All Right? Well,I'm sorry that this Horizon movie isn't going
to do so well, but that'snot going to stop us from having a
lot of film with Kevin Coster.Today. We're gonna celeb right, one
(09:00):
of my favorite actors, that's forsure. And I've been lucky enough to
interview him a couple of times.I think he's a good guest. He's
an interesting guy to talk to.I like his movies. And we're gonna
have a cigar or we're gonna talkabout our three favorite Kevin Coster movies here
today, and I guess Horizon isnot gonna make the list. Huh exactly,
But I want to have you makea cigar bet with me, okay
(09:20):
before we do our lists. Yep, but you can tell me what cigar
you're smoking first. Okay. Ihave a special edition Romeo and is it
Juliette or Julietta? I never know. I think it might be Julietta.
I don't know Julietta. It's aneighteen seventy five Romeo, and Julietta still
has got a paper on there rightthere, eighteen seventy five. That's old.
(09:41):
Yeah, it isn't that nice.Uh. This is one of my
favorite brands, Romeo. They theyrarely let me down. So that's what
I'm gonna have today. How aboutyou? I'm gonna have an AJ Fernandez
New World because it felt like aCostner thing, a New World the West.
They're going out west to you know, State claims. That's a manly
dark one. So it's almost it'salmost like a black cigar. And I
(10:05):
heard the darker the leaf, it'sstronger, but I never really noticed that.
So they've always frightened me. That'salmost as dark. Hold it up
to your shirt. Yeah, that'sthat's hardcore, buddy, And you know
my shirt. Since we're talking aboutKevin Costner movies, I figured the demographic
for us today is AARP. Whynot? So here's the cigar bet,
(10:26):
and I want you to do yourlist first, but I will bet you
one cigar that you cannot guess oneof the Kevin Coster movies on my the
one of them that I'm gonna haveon my list, and I'll give you
a hint that it was nominated forthree Oscars, one of them being in
a big, a big award.So it's not just sound engineering. Okay,
(10:48):
it's a specific movie I want tosee if you can guess, and
I'll bet you a cigar. I'llgive you three guesses and you won't guess
it. Okay. Uh so I'massuming it's not gonna be one of the
standard Do I get any kind ofa hint of the Oscar thing? Did
nothing for me? Well? TheOscar thing should tell you people have heard
of it. Every person on theplanet has heard of this movie. Is
(11:09):
it because he's barely in it?Yeah, you're screwing up the bet,
now, that's what it is.It's because oh he's in. Now that's
right, he's in. Okay,the bets off because now now we've gotten
too far in the weeds. Forgetit, Like is it like Molly's Game
or something like that? That wasgood, but we'll forget the bet.
We'll just do it when it's onmy list. Okay, let's hear your
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list, all right? Uh?Well, I chose three movies that feature
and star Kevin Coster. You knowyou're a Kevin Costner fan. You want
to see these, And uh,I'm going to open up with one that
we've talked about extensively here on twoAsholes at the Movies, and uh,
that is open range because if youlike great acting and you like westerns,
you've got Kevin Costner and Robert Duval. And first of all, any movie
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that Robert Duvall is in, ifit was a two star movie, it's
going to become three stars just byhaving Duval in it. Kevin plays this
guy, Charlie Waite with his buddyRobert Duval. These outlaw bad guys have
killed their friend and so they're ona revenge tour against these desperadoes who are
(12:16):
holding a town kind of hostage.It's almost a little bit like The Magnificent
Seven. It's just a little bitlike that. But it's terrific. It's
written, directed, stars Kevin Costner. He has said to me personally and
many times it's his favorite movie thathe's ever done. I don't know if
that is still true today with HorizonOut, but it's a fantastic western.
(12:41):
You know you once said on theair and I thought this was really funny.
You said there's never been a rocksong or song in general that you
liked or that got better because aharmonica was in it. You hated harmonica's
and I thought that was funny.So I'm not a big fan of harmonica's,
but you, being a big fanof Westerns, I have to think
that you like the harmonica when it'sin the Western because it adds to the
(13:03):
vibe. I like Western harmonica music. I don't like harmonica music in rock
and roll. If I can quoteCharlie Harper to you from Two and a
half Men, there is an episodewhere Steven Tyler moves in next door to
him and is carrying on making alot of racket. He's scatting and singing
(13:24):
and playing his harmonica and keeping Charlieawake all night, And finally Charlie's like,
hey, how about a pause forthe cause? Can you keep it
down? And Steven Tyler is like, people love me in my harmonica,
and Charlie, I thought, veryprecisely responded, they love you, they
tolerate your harmonica. That's good.So Open Range is my first of three
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picks. Who is going to bea perfect world? Do you know this,
Josh Bord is that the Clint Eastwoodone. Clint Eastwood directed and co
stars in A Perfect World where KevinCosner from nineteen ninety three by the plays
Butch Haynes, who is an escapedprison convict and it's his highjinks as he
(14:07):
is on the run from the lawand he has a little boy that he's
taken hostage with him, and it'sit's a little dark, it's you know,
it's it's not a fun movie.I think it's set in the nineteen
fifties and Kevin Costner is not agood guy in this movie. Yeah.
I remember. That's one of thefirst movies where I saw a scene in
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the trailer and in the trailer yousee Kevin cost like half asleep and he's
really sweaty and money is flying byhis face. And I remember saying to
myself that the trailer, they justgave something away, because you don't sleep
with money flying by your face unlessyou were just shot holding a bag of
money or something and you're laying thereto die and the money's going everywhere,
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and that's exactly what it was inthe movie, and it pissed me off.
I'm like, why didn't trailer needto show that? That's number two,
number three on my list of KevinCoster movies. I gave you a
western, I gave you a nineteenfifties period piece on a runaway, and
number three, I'm going to giveyou a more current day drama called Let
Him Go with Diane Lane. Youknow this movie. It doesn't sound familiar
(15:18):
by the title. Twenty twenty isthe year it came out Let Him Go.
And this is a dark movie.It is Kevin cost playing a grandfather
and he wants to get his grandsonback. Diane Lane and Kevin cost have
made a trip out to get theirgrandson. Oh and it's kind of a
western, a modern day western.They call it a noir Western, Yeah,
(15:41):
but it's really only because it's inMontana or Nebraska or something like that.
There's no cowboy action in this thing. It's heroics, that's for sure.
And it is dark, it's gritty, and I thought it was a
terrific movie, one of his absolutebest. So I tried to give you
one from all sorts of different genresright there, Let Him Go from twenty
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twenty, and a lot of peoplelove Diane Lane, so those are.
I like to let him go.It was good three movies right there.
I think you cannot go wrong anytimeyou're looking for a good movie. So,
you know, when we're talking KevinCostner, you know Steve Poltz,
a friend of yours and a friendof mine. He's a you know here
actor. He dated Jewel briefly,and there was all these rumors of Jewel
(16:27):
dating Kevin Costner for about a monthand a half. Right now, all
of a sudden, he's come outand said, no, nope, we're
just friends. And it's always funnywhen people make these declarations. But I'd
like to know if he really wasdating or I don't know why I care.
I just like gossipy hollow You justa nosy rosie is what it is.
Yeah, all right, let mehear Josh Bord's three favorite Kevin Coster
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movies. I told you before,this is one of my favorites. And
for the longest time, Kevin Costnersaid this was the best movie he ever
did, apparently except until he didOpen Range. Yeah, but even after
he did Dance with the Wolves,he said this was his best Dan Dango.
It was his first starring role withJudd Nelson. It made a whoppe
ninety one thousand dollars at the boxoffice. Steven Spielberg saw this guy Kevin
(17:11):
Reynolds student film at USC and said, I'll finance it if you want to
make a feature, and they andhe did, and Steven Spielberg produced it
and it's great. And Kevin Costerliked this movie so much that he ended
up doing two more movies with thedirector, water World and Robin Hood.
Both of those were These were threenot successful movies. Yeah, but fan
Dango was great. The music wasgreat. It starts with Elton John Saturday
(17:34):
Nights all Right for Fighting. Itends with Blind faiths Can't Find My Way
Home. It's a great movie unlessyou're one of the producers who's trying to
get his money back. Then oh, exactly great because that one didn't make
any money. And Judd Nelson playsa nerd, and to prove that nerd
wow, he decides he'll jump outof an airplane because he's afraid of heights.
This scene with the guy who's stonetaking him up on the airplane is
(17:57):
one of the funniest scenes in movie. His it's hysterical, all right,
Fandango The next movie I'm gonna pickis the one I wanted to make the
bet with you because it was nominatedfor Best Picture and two other nominations.
The soundtrack went double platinum. Doyou know the movie not yet? The
Big Chill? Oh yeah? Sowhat poor Kevin Costner? This would have
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been his first big role, andthey edited out all his scenes. All
his scenes got it out because he'sthe guy who kills himself that causes the
reuniting of these college friends. Kevin, he's the body and so really all
you see of Kevin Costner in itis his hand in the casket. That's
all you see, right. ButI just wanted to pick it because I
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thought, why pick Bullderham in thesemovies we've talked about a million times,
and I love the upside of angerof another baseball movie. I didn't want
to go down this path of somebodysaying didn't they talk about this two episodes
ago? So I thought, I'mgonna go Big Chill and win a cigar
from Dave, which I ended upnot winning. The last movie on my
list is definitely going to be onethat you love if you've seen it out
with Sean Young and Gene Hackman,great movie and I just loved it.
(19:03):
And it's always Hackman, just likeDuval. Yeah, oh yeah, he's
in He makes that movie fifty percentbetter just by being in it. Yeah.
They were roommates for a while backand back before they made it.
Who was what? Who was GeneHackman, Robert Daval. Yeah, they
were roommates, and I think DustinHoffman even living with him briefly. So
the three of those guys, Okay, all right, exactly. This guy
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that I played racquetball with, Iswear every time there was a movie with
a twist, you couldn't shut himup for two months agoing people should have
seen that coming. People should haveseen that, you know, and with
no way out, he said,people should have seen it coming. Kevin
cost Is drinking Stoley vodka all thetime. That's the Russian vodka. What
why would people see that coming?I mean they wouldn't and they didn't and
(19:48):
no one did. No one sawit coming. That was a great twist
on that movie. Sean Young,Sean this was the movie that Sean Young
rocketed to start him on and theninstantly I guess went, you know,
crazy and hard to work with andicult and all that other kind of stuff.
But that's a terrific movie. Lovethat movie. Yeah. I especially
(20:10):
liked the douchey, nerdy little assistantto Gene Hacken. Now Gene Hackman plays
like a senator or something in thismovie. I barely remember. He might
have been even a cabinet secretary,but some big, big level American politician,
and he has this irritating, slimy, douchebag little assistant who plays his
(20:33):
role so well, so very well. That's a great movie, Yeah,
it is. And it's funny howwhen people talk about Kema Coster movies that
one seems to go, you know, like, I mean, it's not
like people are sitting around talking aboutChemick Coster movies, but you think they're
gonna say, oh, Untouchables andthis and that, Like you don't really
hear that movie talked about very often. I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
there's there's believe me, there areso many movies that we didn't include.
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We did not include Dances with Wolves. Okay, do you want to
tell me why you didn't include possiblythe man's most successful movie ever? Why
did you not include Dances with Wolves? I liked it, but I didn't
love it. I mean, Ithink I liked Field the Dreams better.
You know what what gets me?But I think Dances Was with Wolves was
a great movie. And the soundtrackis spectacular, the music the whole thing,
(21:17):
and I love the movie. Butthe one thing that bugs me about
it is there's a lot of narratingby Kevin Costner in the movie, and
he's reading his diary. You know, this man has he has won his
own assignment. He says, son, you did a great job in the
Civil War. Where would you liketo go? And he says, I
(21:38):
want to go out west. Sothey send him out to be an explorer
frontierman, and he's recording all ofhis exploits and so all the narrating by
Kevin Costner in the movie is himreading out of a diary, which sounds
like reading, as it should,but it just the pace of it grates
on me. That's a very goodpoint. And you know, it's funny
(22:00):
you mentioned his reading because have younoticed over the last like five years or
so, his voice is getting alittle rfk rfk on on us. The
Yellowstone thing is an affectation. That'snot what well know. He's in interviews,
he sounds that way too. Yeah, it's he's putting that on.
Believe me, he doesn't sound likethat. He doesn't growl like that in
(22:23):
real life. No, No,we didn't use tin Cup. We didn't
do The Bodyguard. I mean,these are some big movies. We didn't
do Field of Dreams, we didn'tdo Bulderham, we didn't do all these
big hits. What's wrong with us? How come we didn't choose those?
Are they too obvious? They tooeasy? I didn't care so much for
the Bodyguard. I think his haircutwas bugging me. But I do like
that. This sounds like you're tryingto get an extra picks this time,
(22:45):
Dave. No, I'm I'm.I am hearing our audience going, we're
the big movies and we didn't choosethem. Gotcha, I got you.
We didn't choose the big movies.All right, very good. Listen,
next time we get together here ontwo Ashles at the movies, we're gonna
answer your questions. We have beencollecting questions that you've been writing to us,
(23:06):
and you still have time to dothem right here on Facebook. Send
us your question, anything that youwant us to answer. We've figured out
the answer to one thing right away. We know where that thumbs up is
coming from. So if you've gotone, submit it here right here on
Facebook and we'll answer it next time. We know the best question might get
tickets to Quicksilver Messenger service, isthat right? Oh okay? Or you
(23:30):
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