May 19, 2023 • 29 mins
Dave combines two movie fans, himself and Josh Board from KOGO-AM, and lists. Lists are like social media crack! You can't help but want to see if your ideas measure up with the lists. Dave and Josh come up with the top 5 movies all guys must see. Listen as they debate and defend their choices. Do you agree? Give it a listen!
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No, no, I heard Mediapresents the Dave Rigards Podcast. Today.
On the Dave Ricards Podcast, Iam joined by Josh Board, who,
my goodness, how do I Howdo I classify all your qualifications? First
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of all, I discovered Josh onFacebook. I used to use a lot
of your emails on the DSc radioshow because I think you're a very funny
writer. Thank you. Do Iget residuals for that? You don't.
You don't get anything, all right, I don't get anything. You don't
get anything. And uh, Iknow that you have had lots of media
jobs and you do movie reviews onAre you on Cogo in the morning?
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Yep? Cogo Friday Mornings? Yepwith a Loadonna Harvey and ted Garcia and
ted Garcia who. By the way, have you talked to ted Garcia about
his movie career? Yeah? Helikes to bring up little clips of when
he, you know, plays anewscaster. Yeah, he's done some of
that stuff. He's got some goodstories. He asked him the next time
you talked to him, ask himto tell you the story about how he
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was trying to sell a house inthe middle of doing his lines on a
big time movie. It's a goodstory. That's funny. Yeah, it's
a good story. But today we'regoing to start a part one of a
two part feature that we're going todo today. And the first part that
Josh and I are going to talkabout are the five movies that any guy
should have seen. And we weregoing to come up with what by the
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time you're thirty whatever, you shouldhave seen him by now. If you
haven't seen him by now, you'rein disgrace and you need to see these
movies. And we will defend ourpicks. And we had originally talked about
this movie, this segment was goingto be a cigar in a movie.
Well, I like how you immediatelysaid defend your picks. Yeah, as
if you think I'm going to picka bunch of crap and you're gonna give
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me a hard time and vice versa, because sisterly possible. Well, cisk
Nieber used to say, we actuallyagree ninety percent of the time. People
just remember the five percent of thetime we fight. And you know those
guys or you knew those guys,I guess, yeah. Just Roger app
Well, one of those one ofthe stories involving Roger Ebert is coming up
one of the times that I disagreedwith Roderie. But we're getting ahead of
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ourselves. A Cigar in a Movie, Now, what that is is a
couple of guys talking about their favoritemovies while having a cigar. You would
think that a Cigar in a Moviewould be a perfect title for that,
but no, we came up withthe worst possible titles for this segment.
I'm ashamed to say that I cameup with sticks and flicks, which we're
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never going to use, which Ilove. I don't know why you're so
against that because it's garbage. It'sgarbage, but you know, it's nice
to just have a cigar and watchone of our favorite movies. And I
suspect that you are the kind ofguy who when one of your favorite movies
comes on, you can just sitdown. That's it. You're stuck.
You have to sit down and watchit. Yeah, And you know,
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one of the rare times I wasable to actually smoke a cigar with a
movie I had never seen Tombstone,and one of my cigar buddies just couldn't
believe that. And so about twoyears ago, we sat and smoke cigars
watching Tombstone. And that's really nicebecause I always think when you think of
smoking a cigar while watching a film, I think of de Niro and Cape
Fear. How we went into themovie theater lit up a cigar just to
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bug Nick Nolty in his family.Well, the cigar. I'm going to
enjoy it today. Because this isour first meeting. I chose out a
special cigar. I have this.Let me see, and I can't get
very close with it. The greenscreen and whatnot is gonna mess up.
I have a Monte Cristo. Thiswas given to me. This was gifted
to me by my friends. Setat resilient roofing and very small right there,
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you could see the words how Banna. So it's the real deal.
I'm smoking an Ashton Esquire given tome by a guy who's a cigar rep
at Ashton. He's a great guy, and I like Ashton. I like
putting Esquire by my name. Ifeel like a lawyer. All right,
So here we go. This isour choice. This is it. These
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are the five movies that every guyshould see. And if if you are
a guy and you haven't seen theseyet, we're judging you. We're taking
a shot at you. And Iwould like you to begin tell me you're
five. I'm gonna go with pulpfiction. Just because I'm wearing the shirt,
I figure I should start with that. That movie changed how films were
made. I mean, colleges starteddoing classes on it, filmmakers started doing
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things with nonlinear timelines, and peoplestarted realizing, basically, everything's been done
with a movie. You know,boy meets girl, boy loses girl,
Terrorists, assassins all you know,car chase things, but these are guys
that are hit men. They're goingfor a suitcase, and they're talking the
whole time, you know, soyou're you're interested in the dialogue. What's
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really interesting to me about pulp Fictionis it's one of my favorite movies,
but every time I talk about itwith people, I talk about all the
flaws in the movie, because Ithink that movie is filled with so many
flaws. Even though it's a greatfilm and one of the best movies ever
made. It doesn't make sense whatcould possibly be in that suitcase? Because
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if it's drugs, why is itlighting up gold? And why is everybody
so amazed to see it when theyopen it up it lights up? And
if and if it was gold,or something like that. Why would those
teenage guys have had it. Itwas like they were supposed to do something
with it. They didn't do dowhat they were supposed to do, So
that was a flaw. And youknow, I hate agreeing with Spike Lee
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because I think he's racist and he'san overrated filmmaker. But I kind of
agree with him about Tarantino using theN word because would he really say that
to Samuel Jackson, even if they'rehomies. I don't. I mean,
I grew up playing basketball, Ihad guys on my team that we were
close for years. I would neverthink of saying that word to him.
But I think Tarantino thought, well, that's what people do when you're close
with somebody. You're like the innercircle. And it does seem as an
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outsider. It seems like he doesuse it a lot because no one else
has the guts to do it,so he's going to do it anyway,
right, gets away with it.I'll tell you the Chainsaw and I went
on a mandate to see that movie. We were in Atlanta when that movie
came out, and it was allthe buzz. You've got to see pulp
fiction. So Chainsaw and I gohand in hand off to the movies in
Atlanta. We sat in this theaterwhere the air conditioning was broken in July
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in Atlanta, Georgia, and wesat there looking at each other, going
what is up with this movie?And I think we said at one point,
if something doesn't happen in the nextfive minutes, we're out of here.
And that's when Uma Thurman got theadrenaline pump in the chest and we
were on for the ride from thatmoment on. Okay, that's weird that
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you said if something doesn't happen,because the movie starts with something to happen.
There's a robbery that wasn't enough foryou. I don't know why we
were bored, because I've watched itdozens of times since and I was like,
what didn't hold our attention? Ilove it? What's next on your
list of five movies every guy mustsee? Okay, I'm picking Eternal Sunshine
of the Spotless Mind, which isprobably a title that couldn't fit on the
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marquee of the movie theaters. Oneof the things I wrote about this movie,
a BBC called me because the BigMovie magazine wrote the hundred best movies
of the twenty first century, andthey wanted my opinion on it, and
I don't know where they got myname or whatever from. So I did
the interview with them, and whenthey rattled off the list, it was
horrible. It was just a bunchof artsy movies that a bunch of critics
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like and nobody else likes. Andso I decided to write my own hundred
best movies of the twenty first centuryand it's on the Fox five website,
and I picked that as the numberone movie. I just thought it was
so innovative and interesting. Jim Careyshows that he can act instead of acting
like a crazy man, and Ithink it's interesting when actors do that.
You once told me how Robin Williamsyou could only take him in small doses
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when he does comedy, but he'sa great actor. And that's the same
with Jim Carey. When he acts, he can actually, you know,
play an Andy Kaufman or something likethat. And now, did you ever
see that movie. I've seen bitsand pieces of it, and that movie
for me, unfortunately falls into oneof those categories where I know a little
bit of the off screen backstory andit bugs me. I can't get it
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out on my head when I'm watchingit because I know that the direct chose
Jim Carrey. He wanted someone alittle bit more and more role. He
wanted Nick Cage to be the leadon that movie, someone a little more
rose, a little more dull.And it's like, why did you choose
the most energetic comedian of the twentyfirst century to play a dull guy?
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Why would you do that? Andthey struggled with that. They struggled through
the shooting of the movie to keepJim from doing what he does best,
which is ad lib and this directordidn't want any of that. The other
thing I didn't like about it again, this is I get into this weird
research thing, and it bugs methat this director ran into Jim Carrey.
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Jim had just got He's gone througha breakup, he was depressed, he
was down, and this director saidto him, now can you hold that
for a year? And Jim Carreysaid, that's how fucked up this business
is. That's what they want usto do. Yeah. I love it
when actors feel like they have todo that, Like, like, I
want to know if Judd Hirsch followeda taxi driver around for months before he
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did the show Taxi. I don'tthink it's necessary. You're sitting around having
coffee and you're pretending you pick upfairs. It's not that hard to do.
It seems in the twenty first centurythere are many actors who feel like
they really have to play pretend inthe role that they're portraying for at least
four weeks or something. But Ithink it's a terrific movie. It's a
good choice. What's number three foryou? And by the way, these
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aren't in order of my favorites oranything, it's just they are. Okay.
The Sting, I think it's aclassic. I remember when I was
a kid if I was born innineteen sixty nine, and I think that
movie came out in like seventy three, seventy four. When I would see
parts of it on TV. Thepiano, the Scott Joplin piano kind of
bugged me and I thought, oh, this is an old guys movie.
And I was about thirteen, andI sat down and watched it and it
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blew my mind, like and youknow, I get into weird things in
movies, Like Yes, Robert Redfordand Paul Newman are great. They're great
together. We all agree on that. But I love character actors, like
seeing Oh Charles Derning is the flatfoot cop and oh Ray Walston doing the
horse racing and Robert Shaw as thebad guy. People remember him and he
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was great. You know, hewrote that whole monologue about the US Indianapolis
in Jaws and just him always barkingat somebody in saying yea fla. And
it's just everything about the movie.And I think it holds up and I
think even young people today could watchit. And con movies are always good
because people don't see the con.Now. I hate to go down a
theme here, but that has abig flaw that bugs me. You know
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what it is? Okay, youremember the movie well enough that if I
bring this up, So the FBI, the fake FBI, grabs Charles Derning
because they need to get him offthe scent, and they say, look,
we got bigger fish to fry.We don't want you screwing it up
like blah blah blah, and theyget Robert Edford. Now, we as
the audience for the first time,don't realize Robert Redford's gonna turn on Paul
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Newman. And when he agrees toturn on Paul Newman. We think,
oh man, this is messed up. The next scene shows Paul Newman and
Robert Redford playing cards and Redford goes, what's wrong kid, you look nervous.
I mean once we go in andRobert Redford's like, no, blah
blah blah. Well we're watching thisgoing yeah, he's nervous because he's gonna
turn on you. That's a flawbecause in real life, Robert Redford Paul
Newman would have said, so,how did it go with the fake FBI
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and he said, oh yeah,he bought it hook line and sinker.
I think we're good, but I'mstill a little nervous because he's still a
copy, still has a gun.We don't know what he's gonna do.
What if he decides to talk tohis bosses or contact the FBI, you
know what I mean. They're reallyjust trying to trick the audience at that
point. I don't think that's fair. But it's still a perfect movie because
they and they do trick the audience, because you do feel like Robert Redford
is going to flip on a Newman. But of course the whole thing is
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a complete scam and at the endwhen you find out that they haven't actually
shot each other. It's a wonderfulsurprise at the end of the movie.
And kudos to Robert Redford in particular, who was able to overcome the stigma
that he was too pretty to bea good actor. I became a big
Robert Redford fan late in life.I didn't realize I didn't appreciate what a
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good actor he was. But he'sterrific. Love that guy. Well watch
the movie where he's stranded on theboat and you'll change your mind. That
I've seen it. I've seen it. Wasn't that boring. It's Redford's version
of Castaway. I didn't like it. Yeah, too boring. Well they
can't they can't all be great.They can't know what the critics like that
it got nominated, I think fora few things. Critics, you know,
they know, thank you what elseyou got. Um I'm gonna go
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with another old school seventies movie,Um, one Flew of the Cuckoo's Nest
that I think is a perfect movie, not an ensemblest Oh god, it's
great. I mean I think itwon Best Actor or Best Picture, Best
Director. Like all the five ofthe main Awards, and um, it's
funny. One scene I really likein that Roger Ebert mentions in one of
his books as being his favorite scene. It's when they're going to steal a
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boat from the dock and he says, well, we're from the local mental
institution. And when the camera showseach of the guys, he says,
that's doctor Cheswick, that's doctor BillyBibbott, you know. And they each
look like doctors, because doctors andcrazy people look the same. They have
beards, they have glasses that areaskew there, you know. So that's
just and I and that's I thinkthe first time we saw Nicholson really act
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crazy in a movie. I mean, he had acted like in Chinatown,
he was great and in last detailin these movies I think an easy writer.
He got a little bit weird drinkingand stuff. But this is the
first time we thought, oh,when he acts crazy, those eyebrows flare
and it's a lot of fun.The thing I remember the most about that
movie, again, it's not necessarilythe story that's happening, is just how
it affected me is that is oneof the very first movies that I remember
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being deeply affected by. The reallyprofoundly sad ending on that movie. I
mean, that really bothered me thatthey lobotomized Nicholson at the end of the
Yeah, yeah, that was weird. And you know, I remember with
that scene, I thought the directorshould have told Nicholson to tone it down
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a little bit because he kind oflike, I think, if you're a
lobotomized like he looked. I don'tknow. I just thought his facial expression
was weird there. But maybe youdon't tell Nicholson, who just got nominated
the year before for Chinatown, Heyyour expression here, maybe tone it down,
you know. And of course theiconic contribution of that movie to culture
is Nurse Ratchett, who I thinkalso she won Golden Globe or Oscar or
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both from ye if she won theOscar? Yeah yeah, all right,
what else? Unregiven By the way, we're not we're not arguing at all.
Oh, I know, I couldpick a bad movie and we can
know. I don't want you tounforgiven, I'm not the biggest fan of
westerns, and I think that youare a big fan of westerns. I
am. I just I as akid, my stepdad wanted to show me
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westerns. They're always in Black andWhite, and I hated the music and
the harmonica, and I just everythingabout Western's bugged me. But I found
that when there's a movie that's great, it doesn't matter what genre it is.
It could be a chick flick,it could be a horror movie.
If you do it well, it'sgonna be great. And Unforgiven blows me
away. Gene Hackman didn't want todo the movie. He thought it was
too violent, and then and thenClaes would talk him into it and he
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gets an oscar. I love stufflike that. Um, okay, So
I have two favorite scenes in thatI want to see if you could guess
what one of them would be.That's because Gene Hackman was the most violent
guy in that entire movie. Buttell me about your two favorite scenes.
One of them is when he wakesup from the fever after three days and
the prostitute who had been cut upis there and she's feeding him and she
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offers him a free one and heturns out. First of all, Dave,
anytime a woman offers you a freeone, that's isn't that the most
romantic gesture in the world? Buta touching scene that was it doesn't get
any bigger than that. And weall know prostitute wife whatever, there's no
such thing as a freaky one.And I love that he realizes he hurt
her feelings because she thinks because I'mscarred, and this is a guy that's
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this ruthless killer. He was analcoholic and he did bad things in life,
but he wants to make her feelbetter. I just that moved me
so much. And I especially lovethe scene after they killed, when the
kid realizes what it is to killsomebody, and he's shaken up and he's
still trying to act tough, butwe can see what's going on. Clint
Eastwood can see what's going on.Often the distance you see the woman riding
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up with their bounty. The cinematographyis beautiful and he's getting a lecture from
Clint Eastwood and the kids. JustI'm getting goosebumps just talking about it now.
Now, you had a face toface debate with the one and only
Roger Ebert about that because he didnot like Unforgiven. Yeah, and he
told me, well, I wasin a fight with my wife before I
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saw it, so I was ina bad place. But then after it
got all the Oscar nominations. Hethought, I think it got eleven nominations.
I think maybe nine. And hesaid he went to revisit it and
he liked it. And I'm like, how could a critic like, you
know, I don't like if Ihad a fight with my wife, seeing
a movie is a great escape.Yeah, I'm not sitting there stewing about
the fight. I'm now into thesecharacters. And what I also gave him
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a hard time about is one yearhe gave Congo and Anaconda thumbs up and
they were two of the worst moviesever and he's given unforgiven of thumbs down.
And it's just like it was amess for Roger. That a mess
for sure. All Right, Solet's see you have the Sting, One
Flew Over the Cougar's Nest, Unforgiven, pulp Fiction, Eternal Sunshine of the
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Spotless. Five movies. I can'targue with any of them. I really
like them. Yeah, all right, Well let's hear your list, all
right, my five So my story, my five list about five guys.
I'm trying to find five hero moviesbecause guys want to be hero. So
I'm gonna start you off with Gladiator, we've got Ridley Scott and Russell Crowe,
and that to me is just onetwo punch can't lose. You know
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what's funny about Gladiator. That's ona list for me of four movies I
have that I did not want tosee and I was with a group of
friends and I just thought this isgoing to be bad, and I ended
up loving it. And I thinkthe best part two is not the best
part one of them is Joaquin Phoenixis the villain because he's so bad.
When you have a sinister villain thatplays it a little cool instead of like
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Heath Ledger was great as the Joker. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we
get it, but when you goover the top like that, it's not
as fun. It's just somebody thatslightly does evil stuff. To me,
yeah, but when he when hemeets with Russell Crowe towards the end of
the movie and they're going to havetheir fight in front of all the Romans
and he's dabs him. I mean, when you have a bad guy in
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a movie who you really hate,like you hate Joaquin Phoenix, I think
he's terrific. And I also lovedthat when Russell Crowe was dying at the
end spoiler alert again, it showedhis dying again because he dies several times
almost in that movie, right,And I think, no matter what you
feel about if there's a heaven ora hell, if you're an atheist,
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you have to think that's beautiful becauseeven if you're an atheist, even if
there is no heaven, you canbe having visions like that as you're dying.
I thought that was just a beautifulending. And his whole quest of
the whole movie was to get backto his wife and his son. Yeah.
I like that for a guy movie. I think that's a good lesson
for guys to learn. So youlike movies about gladiators and I've seen grown
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men naked. Next up, I'mgoing to give you Casino Royale from two
thousand and six, and I'll tellyou why I love this movie. It
is the best Bond with Daniel Craig. It is the best Bond Girl with
Eva Green. It's got the bestBond opening credits, which is a an
iconic feature of the Bond movies.It's got the best Bond theme song by
Chris Cornell. It is the bestBond movie period. Okay, we're going
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to have our first fight. I'mgonna I'm gonna defeat your argument with one
word. That word is gold Finger. Wait? Is that two words?
No? One word Goldfinger? Yes? Um, Goldfinger is a better Bond
film. Now. I have problemswith Casino Royale because, first of all,
I liked it. I didn't likethe name Vesper. It sounds like
a scooter neither. I'm really pickywith Bond women names. One of the
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things Christmas. You remember, Bondmade fun of it the first time he
told She told it to him.Oh, your parents must have hated you.
Yeah. And then I didn't evenlike the name pussy Glory. That's
not even clever. But um,I thought, if I remember right,
that didn't have gadgets in it,did it? No? And this is
what I liked a Bond. Thisis all into the un It brought me
into the Bond universe. I mean, it's like this is a little bit
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more believable for me. My willingsuspension of disbelief was a lot more at
play here with the Daniel Craig Bondmovies. It wasn't his, and I
think kitchy. It seemed also alittle violent, like machete. There was
a machete. There was a timethat his balls were getting rapped by a
cement thing. I think after thattorture scene, Bond wouldn't be able to
sleep with any more women. Ithink the testicles are ruined at that point.
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It's pretty bad beating out a doctor. Pretty bad beating thingy, sir,
you're not a neurologist. I do. I do love that actor,
Mad's Michaelson in that he does amazingfilms. I mean, how great is
it to have a Bond villain whocries blood? Yeah? I want to
play poker with that guy. Allright? H Next up on my list
five movies that guys should see.By now you should have seen them.
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I wrote on my list my noteshere to Catch a Thief. But I
would accept any Carry Grant movie justbecause Carrie Grant is the ship. That's
it. That's all I feel.My question to you is, are you
an eighty three year old gentleman?Oh? Yeah, yes, absolutely,
was born an eighty three year oldguy and holding firm. You know,
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I never saw that it wasn't GraceKelly in it. Yeah, got beautiful
Grace Kelly and Carrie Grant. Youknow, I think i've only seen three
Carry Grant movies. Well tell mewhich ones, um, Well, one
of them was north By Northwest.It's great that that was the third best
Hitchcock not even the first best.Yeah, there's no debate. I mean
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Psycho and Vertigo are better. Imean, maybe you want to debate it.
I don't know. Um, Ican't remember there was another one I
saw. I don't I was akid. I do love him as an
actor. He's charming. Yeah,carry Grant to me. He just exemplifies
the old saying women want to bewith him, men want to be him.
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Carry Grant that for me. Imean, he just can't do anything
wrong. I read a list ofhis you know, greatest on down the
Line movies, and they had OperationPetticoat down at the bottom of that where
he's a submarine commander in World WarTwo. I love that movie and they
think it stinks. But then yousee list of his wives he did all
right, Diane Cannon, I mean, come on, open range, I'm
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gonna do a cowboy movie, awestern, because you are right, I
do love westerns, and in openrange this I'm going to I'm going to
toss out there for our listeners andviewers of this podcast. This may be
the one that more of our audiencehave not seen because it's not a mass
appeal movie. But you've got KevinCostner and Robert Duval together as a couple
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of cowboys who are not going totake the roughing up that their crew has
taken. Have you seen this one? I have not. But if I
would have known you're going to bringup that, and I'm gonna bring up
on forgiven, I would have broughta rolled cigarette instead of an Ashton cigar.
Right, nobody plays a cowboy ora baseball player better than Kevin Costner.
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He nails those and Duval is justa He's one of the best actors
of all times. You put himin anything, anything, anything, he
is one of those actors. I'llput happen in that role as well.
Right here, what he's in,whatever he's in, it's great. Those
two were actually roommates once. Yeah, that's right now. Kevin Coster will
tell you well, he actually toldme when I was talking to him.
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Nice snivel there one of many occasions. But that's his favorite work, that's
his favorite movie. Okay, waita second, this is blowing my mind
that you said that, not thatyou talk to him, but for years
he always said in interviews. AfterDances with Wolves came out, they said
it was this your best movie,and he said, no, it's Fan
Dango, and I love Fan Dango. I don't know if you ever saw
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that. It was his first starringrole. Like eighty one. Spielberg produced
it. These guys get drafted inVietnam and they decided to ditch the draft
and drive across country meeting women.But it's so interesting and funny. Well
that's his pick, and that's oneof his babies that I think he wrote
it. I know he directed,I know he stars in it. And
it's a terrific Western, and Ilove westerns. Like you said before,
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you hated these things because they werein black and white. I hate movies
when they're in color. If it'slike, forget it. I don't even
want to bother with it. Theman who shot Liberty Valence is one of
my all time favorite movies. Huh. I love the shootiest. I loved
High Noon and three ten to Yuma. That's about it. I can't do
any other westerns. Which three tento Yuma? Well, I didn't say
the original from the sixties. Soyeah, yeah, the original three ten
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to hum I think is from maybenineteen fifty. It's do you remember who's
in it? I think it's likesixty one. Um no, there's there's
a big name, but I can'tremember. Glenn Ford. Okay, Glenn
Ford is the original guy. Interesting. Did you like Stage Coach? I
love Stagecoach. I didn't like theremake with Anne Margaret and all that,
I bing Crosby as the drunk doctor. I like the original with John Yeah,
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Claire Trevor. Yeah, I left. Probably my favorite guy movie all
guys should see out and that isTo Kill a Mockingbird. And this has
very personal ties to me because mGreg repeck. Atticus Finch has the same
movements, the same voice, thesame mannerisms, the same behavior, everything
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in that movie and so many ofhis movies as my father, Oh man,
lucky do you Yeah? He couldhave been my father. My father
was exactly the way Atticus Finch wasin To Kill a Mockingbird. But I
love the whole story about how thelittle kids Scout and Jem It's weird how
they call their dad Atticus. Theynever really explain that in the movie.
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They never say why do they kidscall their father by the first name,
Like I can see a director justsaying, well, people will forget his
name or something dumb. I mean, it could be something as simple as
that. I don't know what itwas, but it's it does stick out
like a sore thumb. But Ilove how those two kids and they've got
a little friend who visits them forthe summer, and they go on this
adventure because the creepy scary neighbor wholives next door to them. And I
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had that in my neighborhood. Andat the end of the movie, the
creepy scary neighbor is the one whorescues and saves the lives of these two
children. Even though he is regardedas a monster in their little southern neighborhood,
he obviously adores these children in acool way. Nothing weird going on
there. And you know, hesaves the children and at the end he
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walks over to Jem's bed and hepets his hair. Jem has been knocked
out by the would be assassin.And again, do you remember who Boo
Radley is? Was it Lee Marvin? No, it is I'm pretty sure
it's the Welcome to movies. Robertduval is Boo Radley. Yeah, oh,
I think you're right. Yeah.I saw the movie when I was
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like nineteen. You know what Ilove about that movie is this. I
run into so many book snobs thatwant to tell you the book is better
than the movie, and I thinkthere's like three or four where the movie
is better. The world according togarp One Flow of the Cuckoo's Nest,
Sideways where they're drinking wine, andTo Kill a Mockingbird. I think those
movies are better than the book.And I'm not saying the book because Chop
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Liver. I mean, it's it'sa great By the way, you don't
happen to have a first edition copyof To Kill a Mockingbird, Dude,
I don't know. Oh damn,that'd be worth money. But anyway,
those are examples of no, amovie can be better. But I think
people just want to brag that theyread the book or that they're literate.
And I'm a read or I readwell for you, we all know how
to read. Come on, Iread. I read here on the internet.
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I don't read books. I readon the internet. If it's made
into a movie, there's no waythat a movie is not better than a
book, where on page thirty threedoes Arnold Schwarzenegger show up in a lightning
bolt naked beat some guys up,put on sunglasses and right away on a
Harley Davidson while George Thorogood plays badto the bone. We'll get that in
the book Give Me a Break.And I think Jim Gaffigan says it best
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when he says the movie is alwaysbetter because it's only an hour and a
half. Well, listen, Ithink we did good for our first part
here, okay, and hopefully wehave maybe planted a seed for someone to
say, I'm gonna go see that. I've never saw that movie, have
heard the title, I'm gonna gocheck that one out. This weekend,
on part two of my visit withJosh Board, who does movie reviews on
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the regular for you on AM sixhundred Cogo with Ted and LaDonna Mornings there
in San Diego Radio, we aregoing to reveal our five picks because we've
now done the movies that guys shouldsee, our five chick flicks that every
guy should feel okay about seeing.You know, it's interesting, I've always
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hated the term chick flicks because justas I told you, I don't like
westerns, but I rattled off abunch that I love. I feel that's
demeaning to women because a good romanceor whatever is still a good movie.
Yes, but there's no better termfor it, chick flicks. Just it's
an all encompassing term. I mean, people don't call like Schwarzenegger movies dick
flicks, do they? But theysay no? But I'm not against him.
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Whatever we want, but that's goingto be next time. When Josh
Board joins me here on the DaveRickards Podcast, it'll be the five chick
flicks, his picks and mine thatno guy should be afraid to watch.
So join us. Then you've beenlistening to the Dave Riggards Podcast. Stay
tuned for more episodes to come.To reach Dave for comments or suggestions for
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future podcast topics, email him atDave Rigards at iHeartMedia dot com. That's
d A V E R I cK A R D s at iHeartMedia dot
com. Dave Riggarts Podcast
No, no, I heard Mediapresents the Dave Rigards Podcast. Today.
On the Dave Ricards Podcast, Iam joined by Josh Board, who,
my goodness, how do I Howdo I classify all your qualifications? First
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of all, I discovered Josh onFacebook. I used to use a lot
of your emails on the DSc radioshow because I think you're a very funny
writer. Thank you. Do Iget residuals for that? You don't.
You don't get anything, all right, I don't get anything. You don't
get anything. And uh, Iknow that you have had lots of media
jobs and you do movie reviews onAre you on Cogo in the morning?
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Yep? Cogo Friday Mornings? Yepwith a Loadonna Harvey and ted Garcia and
ted Garcia who. By the way, have you talked to ted Garcia about
his movie career? Yeah? Helikes to bring up little clips of when
he, you know, plays anewscaster. Yeah, he's done some of
that stuff. He's got some goodstories. He asked him the next time
you talked to him, ask himto tell you the story about how he
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was trying to sell a house inthe middle of doing his lines on a
big time movie. It's a goodstory. That's funny. Yeah, it's
a good story. But today we'regoing to start a part one of a
two part feature that we're going todo today. And the first part that
Josh and I are going to talkabout are the five movies that any guy
should have seen. And we weregoing to come up with what by the
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time you're thirty whatever, you shouldhave seen him by now. If you
haven't seen him by now, you'rein disgrace and you need to see these
movies. And we will defend ourpicks. And we had originally talked about
this movie, this segment was goingto be a cigar in a movie.
Well, I like how you immediatelysaid defend your picks. Yeah, as
if you think I'm going to picka bunch of crap and you're gonna give
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me a hard time and vice versa, because sisterly possible. Well, cisk
Nieber used to say, we actuallyagree ninety percent of the time. People
just remember the five percent of thetime we fight. And you know those
guys or you knew those guys,I guess, yeah. Just Roger app
Well, one of those one ofthe stories involving Roger Ebert is coming up
one of the times that I disagreedwith Roderie. But we're getting ahead of
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ourselves. A Cigar in a Movie, Now, what that is is a
couple of guys talking about their favoritemovies while having a cigar. You would
think that a Cigar in a Moviewould be a perfect title for that,
but no, we came up withthe worst possible titles for this segment.
I'm ashamed to say that I cameup with sticks and flicks, which we're
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never going to use, which Ilove. I don't know why you're so
against that because it's garbage. It'sgarbage, but you know, it's nice
to just have a cigar and watchone of our favorite movies. And I
suspect that you are the kind ofguy who when one of your favorite movies
comes on, you can just sitdown. That's it. You're stuck.
You have to sit down and watchit. Yeah, And you know,
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one of the rare times I wasable to actually smoke a cigar with a
movie I had never seen Tombstone,and one of my cigar buddies just couldn't
believe that. And so about twoyears ago, we sat and smoke cigars
watching Tombstone. And that's really nicebecause I always think when you think of
smoking a cigar while watching a film, I think of de Niro and Cape
Fear. How we went into themovie theater lit up a cigar just to
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bug Nick Nolty in his family.Well, the cigar. I'm going to
enjoy it today. Because this isour first meeting. I chose out a
special cigar. I have this.Let me see, and I can't get
very close with it. The greenscreen and whatnot is gonna mess up.
I have a Monte Cristo. Thiswas given to me. This was gifted
to me by my friends. Setat resilient roofing and very small right there,
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you could see the words how Banna. So it's the real deal.
I'm smoking an Ashton Esquire given tome by a guy who's a cigar rep
at Ashton. He's a great guy, and I like Ashton. I like
putting Esquire by my name. Ifeel like a lawyer. All right,
So here we go. This isour choice. This is it. These
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are the five movies that every guyshould see. And if if you are
a guy and you haven't seen theseyet, we're judging you. We're taking
a shot at you. And Iwould like you to begin tell me you're
five. I'm gonna go with pulpfiction. Just because I'm wearing the shirt,
I figure I should start with that. That movie changed how films were
made. I mean, colleges starteddoing classes on it, filmmakers started doing
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things with nonlinear timelines, and peoplestarted realizing, basically, everything's been done
with a movie. You know,boy meets girl, boy loses girl,
Terrorists, assassins all you know,car chase things, but these are guys
that are hit men. They're goingfor a suitcase, and they're talking the
whole time, you know, soyou're you're interested in the dialogue. What's
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really interesting to me about pulp Fictionis it's one of my favorite movies,
but every time I talk about itwith people, I talk about all the
flaws in the movie, because Ithink that movie is filled with so many
flaws. Even though it's a greatfilm and one of the best movies ever
made. It doesn't make sense whatcould possibly be in that suitcase? Because
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if it's drugs, why is itlighting up gold? And why is everybody
so amazed to see it when theyopen it up it lights up? And
if and if it was gold,or something like that. Why would those
teenage guys have had it. Itwas like they were supposed to do something
with it. They didn't do dowhat they were supposed to do, So
that was a flaw. And youknow, I hate agreeing with Spike Lee
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because I think he's racist and he'san overrated filmmaker. But I kind of
agree with him about Tarantino using theN word because would he really say that
to Samuel Jackson, even if they'rehomies. I don't. I mean,
I grew up playing basketball, Ihad guys on my team that we were
close for years. I would neverthink of saying that word to him.
But I think Tarantino thought, well, that's what people do when you're close
with somebody. You're like the innercircle. And it does seem as an
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outsider. It seems like he doesuse it a lot because no one else
has the guts to do it,so he's going to do it anyway,
right, gets away with it.I'll tell you the Chainsaw and I went
on a mandate to see that movie. We were in Atlanta when that movie
came out, and it was allthe buzz. You've got to see pulp
fiction. So Chainsaw and I gohand in hand off to the movies in
Atlanta. We sat in this theaterwhere the air conditioning was broken in July
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in Atlanta, Georgia, and wesat there looking at each other, going
what is up with this movie?And I think we said at one point,
if something doesn't happen in the nextfive minutes, we're out of here.
And that's when Uma Thurman got theadrenaline pump in the chest and we
were on for the ride from thatmoment on. Okay, that's weird that
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you said if something doesn't happen,because the movie starts with something to happen.
There's a robbery that wasn't enough foryou. I don't know why we
were bored, because I've watched itdozens of times since and I was like,
what didn't hold our attention? Ilove it? What's next on your
list of five movies every guy mustsee? Okay, I'm picking Eternal Sunshine
of the Spotless Mind, which isprobably a title that couldn't fit on the
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marquee of the movie theaters. Oneof the things I wrote about this movie,
a BBC called me because the BigMovie magazine wrote the hundred best movies
of the twenty first century, andthey wanted my opinion on it, and
I don't know where they got myname or whatever from. So I did
the interview with them, and whenthey rattled off the list, it was
horrible. It was just a bunchof artsy movies that a bunch of critics
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like and nobody else likes. Andso I decided to write my own hundred
best movies of the twenty first centuryand it's on the Fox five website,
and I picked that as the numberone movie. I just thought it was
so innovative and interesting. Jim Careyshows that he can act instead of acting
like a crazy man, and Ithink it's interesting when actors do that.
You once told me how Robin Williamsyou could only take him in small doses
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when he does comedy, but he'sa great actor. And that's the same
with Jim Carey. When he acts, he can actually, you know,
play an Andy Kaufman or something likethat. And now, did you ever
see that movie. I've seen bitsand pieces of it, and that movie
for me, unfortunately falls into oneof those categories where I know a little
bit of the off screen backstory andit bugs me. I can't get it
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out on my head when I'm watchingit because I know that the direct chose
Jim Carrey. He wanted someone alittle bit more and more role. He
wanted Nick Cage to be the leadon that movie, someone a little more
rose, a little more dull.And it's like, why did you choose
the most energetic comedian of the twentyfirst century to play a dull guy?
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Why would you do that? Andthey struggled with that. They struggled through
the shooting of the movie to keepJim from doing what he does best,
which is ad lib and this directordidn't want any of that. The other
thing I didn't like about it again, this is I get into this weird
research thing, and it bugs methat this director ran into Jim Carrey.
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Jim had just got He's gone througha breakup, he was depressed, he
was down, and this director saidto him, now can you hold that
for a year? And Jim Carreysaid, that's how fucked up this business
is. That's what they want usto do. Yeah. I love it
when actors feel like they have todo that, Like, like, I
want to know if Judd Hirsch followeda taxi driver around for months before he
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did the show Taxi. I don'tthink it's necessary. You're sitting around having
coffee and you're pretending you pick upfairs. It's not that hard to do.
It seems in the twenty first centurythere are many actors who feel like
they really have to play pretend inthe role that they're portraying for at least
four weeks or something. But Ithink it's a terrific movie. It's a
good choice. What's number three foryou? And by the way, these
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aren't in order of my favorites oranything, it's just they are. Okay.
The Sting, I think it's aclassic. I remember when I was
a kid if I was born innineteen sixty nine, and I think that
movie came out in like seventy three, seventy four. When I would see
parts of it on TV. Thepiano, the Scott Joplin piano kind of
bugged me and I thought, oh, this is an old guys movie.
And I was about thirteen, andI sat down and watched it and it
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blew my mind, like and youknow, I get into weird things in
movies, Like Yes, Robert Redfordand Paul Newman are great. They're great
together. We all agree on that. But I love character actors, like
seeing Oh Charles Derning is the flatfoot cop and oh Ray Walston doing the
horse racing and Robert Shaw as thebad guy. People remember him and he
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was great. You know, hewrote that whole monologue about the US Indianapolis
in Jaws and just him always barkingat somebody in saying yea fla. And
it's just everything about the movie.And I think it holds up and I
think even young people today could watchit. And con movies are always good
because people don't see the con.Now. I hate to go down a
theme here, but that has abig flaw that bugs me. You know
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what it is? Okay, youremember the movie well enough that if I
bring this up, So the FBI, the fake FBI, grabs Charles Derning
because they need to get him offthe scent, and they say, look,
we got bigger fish to fry.We don't want you screwing it up
like blah blah blah, and theyget Robert Edford. Now, we as
the audience for the first time,don't realize Robert Redford's gonna turn on Paul
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Newman. And when he agrees toturn on Paul Newman. We think,
oh man, this is messed up. The next scene shows Paul Newman and
Robert Redford playing cards and Redford goes, what's wrong kid, you look nervous.
I mean once we go in andRobert Redford's like, no, blah
blah blah. Well we're watching thisgoing yeah, he's nervous because he's gonna
turn on you. That's a flawbecause in real life, Robert Redford Paul
Newman would have said, so,how did it go with the fake FBI
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and he said, oh yeah,he bought it hook line and sinker.
I think we're good, but I'mstill a little nervous because he's still a
copy, still has a gun.We don't know what he's gonna do.
What if he decides to talk tohis bosses or contact the FBI, you
know what I mean. They're reallyjust trying to trick the audience at that
point. I don't think that's fair. But it's still a perfect movie because
they and they do trick the audience, because you do feel like Robert Redford
is going to flip on a Newman. But of course the whole thing is
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a complete scam and at the endwhen you find out that they haven't actually
shot each other. It's a wonderfulsurprise at the end of the movie.
And kudos to Robert Redford in particular, who was able to overcome the stigma
that he was too pretty to bea good actor. I became a big
Robert Redford fan late in life.I didn't realize I didn't appreciate what a
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good actor he was. But he'sterrific. Love that guy. Well watch
the movie where he's stranded on theboat and you'll change your mind. That
I've seen it. I've seen it. Wasn't that boring. It's Redford's version
of Castaway. I didn't like it. Yeah, too boring. Well they
can't they can't all be great.They can't know what the critics like that
it got nominated, I think fora few things. Critics, you know,
they know, thank you what elseyou got. Um I'm gonna go
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with another old school seventies movie,Um, one Flew of the Cuckoo's Nest
that I think is a perfect movie, not an ensemblest Oh god, it's
great. I mean I think itwon Best Actor or Best Picture, Best
Director. Like all the five ofthe main Awards, and um, it's
funny. One scene I really likein that Roger Ebert mentions in one of
his books as being his favorite scene. It's when they're going to steal a
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boat from the dock and he says, well, we're from the local mental
institution. And when the camera showseach of the guys, he says,
that's doctor Cheswick, that's doctor BillyBibbott, you know. And they each
look like doctors, because doctors andcrazy people look the same. They have
beards, they have glasses that areaskew there, you know. So that's
just and I and that's I thinkthe first time we saw Nicholson really act
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crazy in a movie. I mean, he had acted like in Chinatown,
he was great and in last detailin these movies I think an easy writer.
He got a little bit weird drinkingand stuff. But this is the
first time we thought, oh,when he acts crazy, those eyebrows flare
and it's a lot of fun.The thing I remember the most about that
movie, again, it's not necessarilythe story that's happening, is just how
it affected me is that is oneof the very first movies that I remember
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being deeply affected by. The reallyprofoundly sad ending on that movie. I
mean, that really bothered me thatthey lobotomized Nicholson at the end of the
Yeah, yeah, that was weird. And you know, I remember with
that scene, I thought the directorshould have told Nicholson to tone it down
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a little bit because he kind oflike, I think, if you're a
lobotomized like he looked. I don'tknow. I just thought his facial expression
was weird there. But maybe youdon't tell Nicholson, who just got nominated
the year before for Chinatown, Heyyour expression here, maybe tone it down,
you know. And of course theiconic contribution of that movie to culture
is Nurse Ratchett, who I thinkalso she won Golden Globe or Oscar or
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both from ye if she won theOscar? Yeah yeah, all right,
what else? Unregiven By the way, we're not we're not arguing at all.
Oh, I know, I couldpick a bad movie and we can
know. I don't want you tounforgiven, I'm not the biggest fan of
westerns, and I think that youare a big fan of westerns. I
am. I just I as akid, my stepdad wanted to show me
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westerns. They're always in Black andWhite, and I hated the music and
the harmonica, and I just everythingabout Western's bugged me. But I found
that when there's a movie that's great, it doesn't matter what genre it is.
It could be a chick flick,it could be a horror movie.
If you do it well, it'sgonna be great. And Unforgiven blows me
away. Gene Hackman didn't want todo the movie. He thought it was
too violent, and then and thenClaes would talk him into it and he
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gets an oscar. I love stufflike that. Um, okay, So
I have two favorite scenes in thatI want to see if you could guess
what one of them would be.That's because Gene Hackman was the most violent
guy in that entire movie. Buttell me about your two favorite scenes.
One of them is when he wakesup from the fever after three days and
the prostitute who had been cut upis there and she's feeding him and she
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offers him a free one and heturns out. First of all, Dave,
anytime a woman offers you a freeone, that's isn't that the most
romantic gesture in the world? Buta touching scene that was it doesn't get
any bigger than that. And weall know prostitute wife whatever, there's no
such thing as a freaky one.And I love that he realizes he hurt
her feelings because she thinks because I'mscarred, and this is a guy that's
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this ruthless killer. He was analcoholic and he did bad things in life,
but he wants to make her feelbetter. I just that moved me
so much. And I especially lovethe scene after they killed, when the
kid realizes what it is to killsomebody, and he's shaken up and he's
still trying to act tough, butwe can see what's going on. Clint
Eastwood can see what's going on.Often the distance you see the woman riding
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up with their bounty. The cinematographyis beautiful and he's getting a lecture from
Clint Eastwood and the kids. JustI'm getting goosebumps just talking about it now.
Now, you had a face toface debate with the one and only
Roger Ebert about that because he didnot like Unforgiven. Yeah, and he
told me, well, I wasin a fight with my wife before I
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saw it, so I was ina bad place. But then after it
got all the Oscar nominations. Hethought, I think it got eleven nominations.
I think maybe nine. And hesaid he went to revisit it and
he liked it. And I'm like, how could a critic like, you
know, I don't like if Ihad a fight with my wife, seeing
a movie is a great escape.Yeah, I'm not sitting there stewing about
the fight. I'm now into thesecharacters. And what I also gave him
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a hard time about is one yearhe gave Congo and Anaconda thumbs up and
they were two of the worst moviesever and he's given unforgiven of thumbs down.
And it's just like it was amess for Roger. That a mess
for sure. All Right, Solet's see you have the Sting, One
Flew Over the Cougar's Nest, Unforgiven, pulp Fiction, Eternal Sunshine of the
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Spotless. Five movies. I can'targue with any of them. I really
like them. Yeah, all right, Well let's hear your list, all
right, my five So my story, my five list about five guys.
I'm trying to find five hero moviesbecause guys want to be hero. So
I'm gonna start you off with Gladiator, we've got Ridley Scott and Russell Crowe,
and that to me is just onetwo punch can't lose. You know
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what's funny about Gladiator. That's ona list for me of four movies I
have that I did not want tosee and I was with a group of
friends and I just thought this isgoing to be bad, and I ended
up loving it. And I thinkthe best part two is not the best
part one of them is Joaquin Phoenixis the villain because he's so bad.
When you have a sinister villain thatplays it a little cool instead of like
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Heath Ledger was great as the Joker. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we
get it, but when you goover the top like that, it's not
as fun. It's just somebody thatslightly does evil stuff. To me,
yeah, but when he when hemeets with Russell Crowe towards the end of
the movie and they're going to havetheir fight in front of all the Romans
and he's dabs him. I mean, when you have a bad guy in
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a movie who you really hate,like you hate Joaquin Phoenix, I think
he's terrific. And I also lovedthat when Russell Crowe was dying at the
end spoiler alert again, it showedhis dying again because he dies several times
almost in that movie, right,And I think, no matter what you
feel about if there's a heaven ora hell, if you're an atheist,
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you have to think that's beautiful becauseeven if you're an atheist, even if
there is no heaven, you canbe having visions like that as you're dying.
I thought that was just a beautifulending. And his whole quest of
the whole movie was to get backto his wife and his son. Yeah.
I like that for a guy movie. I think that's a good lesson
for guys to learn. So youlike movies about gladiators and I've seen grown
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men naked. Next up, I'mgoing to give you Casino Royale from two
thousand and six, and I'll tellyou why I love this movie. It
is the best Bond with Daniel Craig. It is the best Bond Girl with
Eva Green. It's got the bestBond opening credits, which is a an
iconic feature of the Bond movies.It's got the best Bond theme song by
Chris Cornell. It is the bestBond movie period. Okay, we're going
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to have our first fight. I'mgonna I'm gonna defeat your argument with one
word. That word is gold Finger. Wait? Is that two words?
No? One word Goldfinger? Yes? Um, Goldfinger is a better Bond
film. Now. I have problemswith Casino Royale because, first of all,
I liked it. I didn't likethe name Vesper. It sounds like
a scooter neither. I'm really pickywith Bond women names. One of the
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things Christmas. You remember, Bondmade fun of it the first time he
told She told it to him.Oh, your parents must have hated you.
Yeah. And then I didn't evenlike the name pussy Glory. That's
not even clever. But um,I thought, if I remember right,
that didn't have gadgets in it,did it? No? And this is
what I liked a Bond. Thisis all into the un It brought me
into the Bond universe. I mean, it's like this is a little bit
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more believable for me. My willingsuspension of disbelief was a lot more at
play here with the Daniel Craig Bondmovies. It wasn't his, and I
think kitchy. It seemed also alittle violent, like machete. There was
a machete. There was a timethat his balls were getting rapped by a
cement thing. I think after thattorture scene, Bond wouldn't be able to
sleep with any more women. Ithink the testicles are ruined at that point.
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It's pretty bad beating out a doctor. Pretty bad beating thingy, sir,
you're not a neurologist. I do. I do love that actor,
Mad's Michaelson in that he does amazingfilms. I mean, how great is
it to have a Bond villain whocries blood? Yeah? I want to
play poker with that guy. Allright? H Next up on my list
five movies that guys should see.By now you should have seen them.
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I wrote on my list my noteshere to Catch a Thief. But I
would accept any Carry Grant movie justbecause Carrie Grant is the ship. That's
it. That's all I feel.My question to you is, are you
an eighty three year old gentleman?Oh? Yeah, yes, absolutely,
was born an eighty three year oldguy and holding firm. You know,
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I never saw that it wasn't GraceKelly in it. Yeah, got beautiful
Grace Kelly and Carrie Grant. Youknow, I think i've only seen three
Carry Grant movies. Well tell mewhich ones, um, Well, one
of them was north By Northwest.It's great that that was the third best
Hitchcock not even the first best.Yeah, there's no debate. I mean
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Psycho and Vertigo are better. Imean, maybe you want to debate it.
I don't know. Um, Ican't remember there was another one I
saw. I don't I was akid. I do love him as an
actor. He's charming. Yeah,carry Grant to me. He just exemplifies
the old saying women want to bewith him, men want to be him.
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Carry Grant that for me. Imean, he just can't do anything
wrong. I read a list ofhis you know, greatest on down the
Line movies, and they had OperationPetticoat down at the bottom of that where
he's a submarine commander in World WarTwo. I love that movie and they
think it stinks. But then yousee list of his wives he did all
right, Diane Cannon, I mean, come on, open range, I'm
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gonna do a cowboy movie, awestern, because you are right, I
do love westerns, and in openrange this I'm going to I'm going to
toss out there for our listeners andviewers of this podcast. This may be
the one that more of our audiencehave not seen because it's not a mass
appeal movie. But you've got KevinCostner and Robert Duval together as a couple
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of cowboys who are not going totake the roughing up that their crew has
taken. Have you seen this one? I have not. But if I
would have known you're going to bringup that, and I'm gonna bring up
on forgiven, I would have broughta rolled cigarette instead of an Ashton cigar.
Right, nobody plays a cowboy ora baseball player better than Kevin Costner.
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He nails those and Duval is justa He's one of the best actors
of all times. You put himin anything, anything, anything, he
is one of those actors. I'llput happen in that role as well.
Right here, what he's in,whatever he's in, it's great. Those
two were actually roommates once. Yeah, that's right now. Kevin Coster will
tell you well, he actually toldme when I was talking to him.
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Nice snivel there one of many occasions. But that's his favorite work, that's
his favorite movie. Okay, waita second, this is blowing my mind
that you said that, not thatyou talk to him, but for years
he always said in interviews. AfterDances with Wolves came out, they said
it was this your best movie,and he said, no, it's Fan
Dango, and I love Fan Dango. I don't know if you ever saw
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that. It was his first starringrole. Like eighty one. Spielberg produced
it. These guys get drafted inVietnam and they decided to ditch the draft
and drive across country meeting women.But it's so interesting and funny. Well
that's his pick, and that's oneof his babies that I think he wrote
it. I know he directed,I know he stars in it. And
it's a terrific Western, and Ilove westerns. Like you said before,
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you hated these things because they werein black and white. I hate movies
when they're in color. If it'slike, forget it. I don't even
want to bother with it. Theman who shot Liberty Valence is one of
my all time favorite movies. Huh. I love the shootiest. I loved
High Noon and three ten to Yuma. That's about it. I can't do
any other westerns. Which three tento Yuma? Well, I didn't say
the original from the sixties. Soyeah, yeah, the original three ten
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to hum I think is from maybenineteen fifty. It's do you remember who's
in it? I think it's likesixty one. Um no, there's there's
a big name, but I can'tremember. Glenn Ford. Okay, Glenn
Ford is the original guy. Interesting. Did you like Stage Coach? I
love Stagecoach. I didn't like theremake with Anne Margaret and all that,
I bing Crosby as the drunk doctor. I like the original with John Yeah,
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Claire Trevor. Yeah, I left. Probably my favorite guy movie all
guys should see out and that isTo Kill a Mockingbird. And this has
very personal ties to me because mGreg repeck. Atticus Finch has the same
movements, the same voice, thesame mannerisms, the same behavior, everything
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in that movie and so many ofhis movies as my father, Oh man,
lucky do you Yeah? He couldhave been my father. My father
was exactly the way Atticus Finch wasin To Kill a Mockingbird. But I
love the whole story about how thelittle kids Scout and Jem It's weird how
they call their dad Atticus. Theynever really explain that in the movie.
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They never say why do they kidscall their father by the first name,
Like I can see a director justsaying, well, people will forget his
name or something dumb. I mean, it could be something as simple as
that. I don't know what itwas, but it's it does stick out
like a sore thumb. But Ilove how those two kids and they've got
a little friend who visits them forthe summer, and they go on this
adventure because the creepy scary neighbor wholives next door to them. And I
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had that in my neighborhood. Andat the end of the movie, the
creepy scary neighbor is the one whorescues and saves the lives of these two
children. Even though he is regardedas a monster in their little southern neighborhood,
he obviously adores these children in acool way. Nothing weird going on
there. And you know, hesaves the children and at the end he
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walks over to Jem's bed and hepets his hair. Jem has been knocked
out by the would be assassin.And again, do you remember who Boo
Radley is? Was it Lee Marvin? No, it is I'm pretty sure
it's the Welcome to movies. Robertduval is Boo Radley. Yeah, oh,
I think you're right. Yeah.I saw the movie when I was
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like nineteen. You know what Ilove about that movie is this. I
run into so many book snobs thatwant to tell you the book is better
than the movie, and I thinkthere's like three or four where the movie
is better. The world according togarp One Flow of the Cuckoo's Nest,
Sideways where they're drinking wine, andTo Kill a Mockingbird. I think those
movies are better than the book.And I'm not saying the book because Chop
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Liver. I mean, it's it'sa great By the way, you don't
happen to have a first edition copyof To Kill a Mockingbird, Dude,
I don't know. Oh damn,that'd be worth money. But anyway,
those are examples of no, amovie can be better. But I think
people just want to brag that theyread the book or that they're literate.
And I'm a read or I readwell for you, we all know how
to read. Come on, Iread. I read here on the internet.
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I don't read books. I readon the internet. If it's made
into a movie, there's no waythat a movie is not better than a
book, where on page thirty threedoes Arnold Schwarzenegger show up in a lightning
bolt naked beat some guys up,put on sunglasses and right away on a
Harley Davidson while George Thorogood plays badto the bone. We'll get that in
the book Give Me a Break.And I think Jim Gaffigan says it best
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when he says the movie is alwaysbetter because it's only an hour and a
half. Well, listen, Ithink we did good for our first part
here, okay, and hopefully wehave maybe planted a seed for someone to
say, I'm gonna go see that. I've never saw that movie, have
heard the title, I'm gonna gocheck that one out. This weekend,
on part two of my visit withJosh Board, who does movie reviews on
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the regular for you on AM sixhundred Cogo with Ted and LaDonna Mornings there
in San Diego Radio, we aregoing to reveal our five picks because we've
now done the movies that guys shouldsee, our five chick flicks that every
guy should feel okay about seeing.You know, it's interesting, I've always
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hated the term chick flicks because justas I told you, I don't like
westerns, but I rattled off abunch that I love. I feel that's
demeaning to women because a good romanceor whatever is still a good movie.
Yes, but there's no better termfor it, chick flicks. Just it's
an all encompassing term. I mean, people don't call like Schwarzenegger movies dick
flicks, do they? But theysay no? But I'm not against him.
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Whatever we want, but that's goingto be next time. When Josh
Board joins me here on the DaveRickards Podcast, it'll be the five chick
flicks, his picks and mine thatno guy should be afraid to watch.
So join us. Then you've beenlistening to the Dave Riggards Podcast. Stay
tuned for more episodes to come.To reach Dave for comments or suggestions for
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future podcast topics, email him atDave Rigards at iHeartMedia dot com. That's
d A V E R I cK A R D s at iHeartMedia dot
com. Dave Riggarts Podcast
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