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Speaker 1 (00:04):
I want to kind of go over to school. I
want to go into a headline that caught me off.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
What are you? What are you thinking?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I want to talk a little Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Oh, former Sooner?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah, former sooner? Whatever?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Are you talking about? The trademark? Yeah, controversy those of
you wondering, have you been surprised about the amount of
people that have never heard George Garvin? No, which is
crazy because he's.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
It's all these it's all these dumb sports beat writers
that are like in their twenties and they don't do research.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Called one out on Twitter today.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Well the thing is is, like you do your research, Eve,
if you didn't see someone play, you can still be
aware of an all time great bro. You know.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
It's funny because in my garage I have an autograph
picture of the Iceman. Okay, and he's sitting on that
throne and you know, and it says yeah, and his
signature has in it Iceman. Caleb Williams wants to be
known as the Iceman.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I guess yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
They so him and as they looking try to trade
about you win something that they tried to trademark that
nickname and obviously it's caught in a lot of flak
one because it's really hard to trademark a nickname, just
because just about anybody can remember when Johnny Manzel tried
this year ago. Yes, he tried to trademark Johnny football.
And now people are come back in that. George Gerbin
has basically been like grand followed into that because he
(01:18):
has been known as the Iceman for almost fifty years
that I don't know when the nickname the Iceman actually
was given to George, but he played in the seventies,
so he can just assume it's been about fifty years
that he's at least had this nickname. They had a
commercial with him last year, him sitting on that same
ice thrown commercial.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yes, he's doing the ice cream in basketball.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
He is widely known as Iceman. And the thing is
is like it's a very easy nickname to ward and
just and anybody can honestly be called iceman. That's not
my problem. I had no problem with Kayla Williams, like
if if people just called him that, naturally.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
He first of all wins something.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Well, the thing is, I don't mind when people give
when people like hand me down nicknames. My thing is,
you want to try and monetize off of that. Someone
else has already had that nickname for much longer. But
here's my thing.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, and this is where look, George is the Iceman.
When I grew up, it was the Iceman. It wasn't
George Gervin, it was Iceman. It was the finger roll, right.
Tony Parker got that little finger roll learning from the Iceman.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
And my thing is is that he was in the
league for a while. Caleb's been in here for what
three seasons? Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
No too, this will be his third.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Bro. Let me tell you something, win something, win something.
Stop being the center of attention, you know. And I
love all the Chicago haters, by the way, right because
they've been on social media, they've been on well, nobody
knows who George is, right, nobody knows who. That's what
they sound like to me. I mean, Chicago fans are different.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Caleb Williams is the next of Tom Brady. Right, Chicago
bears that everyone goes back.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Caleb Williams is the man.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Before we go back to that real quick, I want
to shot at my nephew stayed again, his his his
his team took down his team. The eighteen thirty six
Rough Friers took down Impact Baseball. They take on number
one Showtime Garcia next later on today in their tournament.
So shout out to State and them. I hope they
scored forty runs. I wasn't given the score, but I'm
not impressive. I hope they go Belt to Ask regardless.
But back to the Iceman thing here is that I
(03:20):
think Caleb Williams and we can agree his first year
was obviously below expectations. Second year he was at least
MVP esque level. That the night and day comparison for
first year the second year was great. Right, we can
acknowledge he did better in the second year. It's not
so much that beginning. Just ignore and nickname that's been
that's been given to someone for soul.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Did he go to the Super Bowl? Has he taken
Chicago to a championship game?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
He won the He I'm not here to campaign for caleboys.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I am I'm here to go against it.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
He's done nothing, and the thing is like, I've done nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Did he win the m v P.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Well, even if he did, would that would that mean
he could have Here's my thing, what what could Caleb
Williams that he could take the nickname from George Gervin.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Nothing. He's not allowed to do anything.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
And that's the thing. Here's my thing, here's my thing. Yeah,
Caleb Williams. Just stick with Caleb Williams. Okay, that that's
the bottom line. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Have you heard that Caleb Williams's comments about it?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
What did he say? Okay, so this apparently was a tweet.
So I'm not gonna say who tweeted out the first one.
And this caused him to respond because I don't want
to give that person like free press. But Caleb Williams
responded with a picture of the Dictionary definition of the
word steel, and then above it he said, I don't
care about where your fandom stands. I was trying to
(04:40):
give you and everyone else the benefit of the doubt,
but about knowing about knowing business and being smart about it.
But I guess not foolish me. And I'm also not
going to fist the rest of that word. Enjoy the podcast. Essentially,
he's going this, I'll minimalize it. Like this, he has
combating every major figure that is coming for him as
to why he doesn't deserve this nickname, let alone, and
trying to trademark it, and I think if it was
(05:02):
just one of those things like someone handed him. Remember
Matt Ryan, they called him Mattie Ice, no one. No
one had a problem with that because he didn't nickname himself.
I don't remember anyone calling Kayleb Williams iceman at all.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
No, I don't know. It's because he did this. He's
tried to one time.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
And what I'm doing for people on radio MS rubbing
your arms like your cold, like your ice.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
You can't manifest a nickname. It has to be given
to you.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
The lame, the lamest nicknames are those the one you're
trying to give.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yourself, the big fundamental like I mean, national games come
to you, the dream like I came to dreams. What
I hate about Caleb Williams, honestly, like I'm glad he
actually transferred out of OU is that he's cry baby
for one. Number two, I don't care about your stats.
(05:50):
I don't care if you're not winning for me, you're
not anything for me. You're the Charles Barkley of the NFL. Okay,
I don't like Charles Barkley because he knocks on my city.
But you can sit up there on your podium. But
let the nickname come to you, because right now you're
an over to me. You know, you haven't done anything,
Chicago Bear fans, chill out. You guys haven't been relevant
(06:13):
for a while. Oh well, we went to the super
Bowl in two thousand and eight. How'd that work out
for you?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Did you lose? I think you lost. Well.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I think it's natural for fans to want to back
their players, But I also think that especially Chicago with facts,
a place like Chicago which has like which in the
nineties dominated basketball with some guy na name or his
role air iness another naturally given nickname. By the way,
he has like thirty nicknames. But no, but he didn't
try and trademark those. No thing he trademarked was the silhouette.
(06:42):
And that's fine because he put that on all his
stuff and it became billions. And and again I don't
remember anyone just calling him iceman. That that, to me
is worse than just the trademark he's trying to manifest
in himself.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
It's that's lame. It's a joke. It's an absolute joke
that it makes headlines. And then I love the the young'ins.
I'm gonna call you young'ins you know, and feel free to
call up, by the way, if you don't like what
we're talking about. He you know, just it's nonsense. It's
Caleb Williams being dumb. Honestly, Caleb, you're dumb.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
You know. If you want me to go into.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
A Chicago sports beat show and the way I'm gonna talk, Hey, Caleb, Yeah,
why don't you focus on throwing the football right now?
Why don't you focus on the offseason and not worry
about a nickname. Why don't you get us to the
Promised Land again? Because I don't think you're gonna be
able to do it in your back to back because
you remember his first year when he was getting sacked
and all those quarterbacks were coming up to him, CJ.
(07:41):
Stroud being one of them, Hey, head up, and he
was just not listening to anybody. The way he comes
off as a player, Shane is somebody that I would
never want on my team.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
You're very emotional about some of these guys. You gotta
take a stuff less personal, man.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
It's about it's about how you present yourself. This dude
thinks he can do that. Yeah, bro, that's like having
a podcast is not doing any work for it.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
That's most podcasts, right, It's like.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Putting your name like, Hey, I need my name out
there because I'm doing a podcast. Why don't you do
the work? Caleb, do the work. That's all I'm saying.
I'm off that PODIU.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, let's going on a different podium. Must you want
to talk a little golfers talk talker Woods. I want to. Yeah,
I need to talk about something that they noticed after
So we talked about a little bit on Andy Show
on Friday, but they released the mugshots after the show.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
We need we need to.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Get into some speculation. You want to speculate a little bit.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
We go to speculate a bit.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Let's do that and try to stay on the road
or an excellent fanatics I taking seven to sixty
I want to kind of go over to school. I
want to go into a headline that caught me off.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
What are you? What are you thinking?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I want to talk a little Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Oh, former Sooner?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah, former sooner? Whatever?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Are you talking about? The trademark? Yeah, controversy those of
you wondering, have you been surprised about the amount of
people that have never heard George Garvin? No, which is
crazy because he's.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
It's all these it's all these dumb sports beat writers
that are like in their twenties and they don't do research.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Called one out on Twitter today.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Well the thing is is, like you do your research, Eve,
if you didn't see someone play, you can still be
aware of an all time great bro. You know.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
It's funny because in my garage I have an autograph
picture of the Iceman. Okay, and he's sitting on that
throne and you know, and it says yeah, and his
signature has in it Iceman. Caleb Williams wants to be
known as the Iceman.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I guess yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
They so him and as they looking try to trade
about you win something that they tried to trademark that
nickname and obviously it's caught in a lot of flak
one because it's really hard to trademark a nickname, just
because just about anybody can remember when Johnny Manzel tried
this year ago. Yes, he tried to trademark Johnny football.
And now people are come back in that. George Gerbin
has basically been like grand followed into that because he
(01:18):
has been known as the Iceman for almost fifty years
that I don't know when the nickname the Iceman actually
was given to George, but he played in the seventies,
so he can just assume it's been about fifty years
that he's at least had this nickname. They had a
commercial with him last year, him sitting on that same
ice thrown commercial.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yes, he's doing the ice cream in basketball.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
He is widely known as Iceman. And the thing is
is like it's a very easy nickname to ward and
just and anybody can honestly be called iceman. That's not
my problem. I had no problem with Kayla Williams, like
if if people just called him that, naturally.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
He first of all wins something.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Well, the thing is, I don't mind when people give
when people like hand me down nicknames. My thing is,
you want to try and monetize off of that. Someone
else has already had that nickname for much longer. But
here's my thing.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, and this is where look, George is the Iceman.
When I grew up, it was the Iceman. It wasn't
George Gervin, it was Iceman. It was the finger roll, right.
Tony Parker got that little finger roll learning from the Iceman.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
And my thing is is that he was in the
league for a while. Caleb's been in here for what
three seasons? Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
No too, this will be his third.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Bro. Let me tell you something, win something, win something.
Stop being the center of attention, you know. And I
love all the Chicago haters, by the way, right because
they've been on social media, they've been on well, nobody
knows who George is, right, nobody knows who. That's what
they sound like to me. I mean, Chicago fans are different.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Caleb Williams is the next of Tom Brady. Right, Chicago
bears that everyone goes back.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Caleb Williams is the man.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Before we go back to that real quick, I want
to shot at my nephew stayed again, his his his
his team took down his team. The eighteen thirty six
Rough Friers took down Impact Baseball. They take on number
one Showtime Garcia next later on today in their tournament.
So shout out to State and them. I hope they
scored forty runs. I wasn't given the score, but I'm
not impressive. I hope they go Belt to Ask regardless.
But back to the Iceman thing here is that I
(03:20):
think Caleb Williams and we can agree his first year
was obviously below expectations. Second year he was at least
MVP esque level. That the night and day comparison for
first year the second year was great. Right, we can
acknowledge he did better in the second year. It's not
so much that beginning. Just ignore and nickname that's been
that's been given to someone for soul.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Did he go to the Super Bowl? Has he taken
Chicago to a championship game?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
He won the He I'm not here to campaign for caleboys.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I am I'm here to go against it.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
He's done nothing, and the thing is like, I've done nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Did he win the m v P.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Well, even if he did, would that would that mean
he could have Here's my thing, what what could Caleb
Williams that he could take the nickname from George Gervin.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Nothing. He's not allowed to do anything.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
And that's the thing. Here's my thing, here's my thing. Yeah,
Caleb Williams. Just stick with Caleb Williams. Okay, that that's
the bottom line. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Have you heard that Caleb Williams's comments about it?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
What did he say? Okay, so this apparently was a tweet.
So I'm not gonna say who tweeted out the first one.
And this caused him to respond because I don't want
to give that person like free press. But Caleb Williams
responded with a picture of the Dictionary definition of the
word steel, and then above it he said, I don't
care about where your fandom stands. I was trying to
(04:40):
give you and everyone else the benefit of the doubt,
but about knowing about knowing business and being smart about it.
But I guess not foolish me. And I'm also not
going to fist the rest of that word. Enjoy the podcast. Essentially,
he's going this, I'll minimalize it. Like this, he has
combating every major figure that is coming for him as
to why he doesn't deserve this nickname, let alone, and
trying to trademark it, and I think if it was
(05:02):
just one of those things like someone handed him. Remember
Matt Ryan, they called him Mattie Ice, no one. No
one had a problem with that because he didn't nickname himself.
I don't remember anyone calling Kayleb Williams iceman at all.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
No, I don't know. It's because he did this. He's
tried to one time.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
And what I'm doing for people on radio MS rubbing
your arms like your cold, like your ice.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
You can't manifest a nickname. It has to be given
to you.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
The lame, the lamest nicknames are those the one you're
trying to give.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yourself, the big fundamental like I mean, national games come
to you, the dream like I came to dreams. What
I hate about Caleb Williams, honestly, like I'm glad he
actually transferred out of OU is that he's cry baby
for one. Number two, I don't care about your stats.
(05:50):
I don't care if you're not winning for me, you're
not anything for me. You're the Charles Barkley of the NFL. Okay,
I don't like Charles Barkley because he knocks on my city.
But you can sit up there on your podium. But
let the nickname come to you, because right now you're
an over to me. You know, you haven't done anything,
Chicago Bear fans, chill out. You guys haven't been relevant
(06:13):
for a while. Oh well, we went to the super
Bowl in two thousand and eight. How'd that work out
for you?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Did you lose? I think you lost. Well.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I think it's natural for fans to want to back
their players, But I also think that especially Chicago with facts,
a place like Chicago which has like which in the
nineties dominated basketball with some guy na name or his
role air iness another naturally given nickname. By the way,
he has like thirty nicknames. But no, but he didn't
try and trademark those. No thing he trademarked was the silhouette.
(06:42):
And that's fine because he put that on all his
stuff and it became billions. And and again I don't
remember anyone just calling him iceman. That that, to me
is worse than just the trademark he's trying to manifest
in himself.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
It's that's lame. It's a joke. It's an absolute joke
that it makes headlines. And then I love the the young'ins.
I'm gonna call you young'ins you know, and feel free to
call up, by the way, if you don't like what
we're talking about. He you know, just it's nonsense. It's
Caleb Williams being dumb. Honestly, Caleb, you're dumb.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
You know. If you want me to go into.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
A Chicago sports beat show and the way I'm gonna talk, Hey, Caleb, Yeah,
why don't you focus on throwing the football right now?
Why don't you focus on the offseason and not worry
about a nickname. Why don't you get us to the
Promised Land again? Because I don't think you're gonna be
able to do it in your back to back because
you remember his first year when he was getting sacked
and all those quarterbacks were coming up to him, CJ.
(07:41):
Stroud being one of them, Hey, head up, and he
was just not listening to anybody. The way he comes
off as a player, Shane is somebody that I would
never want on my team.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
You're very emotional about some of these guys. You gotta
take a stuff less personal, man.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
It's about it's about how you present yourself. This dude
thinks he can do that. Yeah, bro, that's like having
a podcast is not doing any work for it.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
That's most podcasts, right, It's like.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Putting your name like, Hey, I need my name out
there because I'm doing a podcast. Why don't you do
the work? Caleb, do the work. That's all I'm saying.
I'm off that PODIU.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, let's going on a different podium. Must you want
to talk a little golfers talk talker Woods. I want to. Yeah,
I need to talk about something that they noticed after
So we talked about a little bit on Andy Show
on Friday, but they released the mugshots after the show.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
We need we need to.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Get into some speculation. You want to speculate a little bit.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
We go to speculate a bit.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Let's do that and try to stay on the road
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