April 8, 2026 • 19 mins
📝 Episode Description
How does a seemingly ordinary relationship unravel into a tragedy that destroys three lives forever?
In this gripping episode of A Deep Dive With JB and Sandy, Sandy McIlree and JB Hager peel back the layers of the haunting case surrounding the murder of elite cyclist Moriah “Mo” Wilson—a rising star whose life was cut short during a visit to Austin. 🚴♀️💔
Through firsthand perspective and raw conversation, JB shares what it was like to watch the story unfold when he personally knew the killer and the guy caught in the middle. What begins as a discussion about a powerful Netflix documentary quickly becomes a chilling examination of jealousy, obsession, technology, and the irreversible consequences of one night’s decisions.
🔥 Key moments and insights include:
🗣️ Memorable moments from the episode:
Beyond the crime itself, JB and Sandy wrestle with a deeper question: how fragile our lives really are when emotions, ego, and technology collide. The conversation expands into other high‑profile Austin murder cases, exploring how quickly privilege, success, and normalcy can implode.
⚠️ This episode is emotional, unsettling, and deeply human—but impossible to ignore.
👉 If this episode moved you, make sure to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone who appreciates thoughtful, honest conversations about the stories that shape our world. Your support helps amplify these important deep dives. 🎙️⭐
How does a seemingly ordinary relationship unravel into a tragedy that destroys three lives forever?
In this gripping episode of A Deep Dive With JB and Sandy, Sandy McIlree and JB Hager peel back the layers of the haunting case surrounding the murder of elite cyclist Moriah “Mo” Wilson—a rising star whose life was cut short during a visit to Austin. 🚴♀️💔
Through firsthand perspective and raw conversation, JB shares what it was like to watch the story unfold when he personally knew the killer and the guy caught in the middle. What begins as a discussion about a powerful Netflix documentary quickly becomes a chilling examination of jealousy, obsession, technology, and the irreversible consequences of one night’s decisions.
🔥 Key moments and insights include:
- The emotional weight of watching a tragedy involving people from JB’s own cycling community
- A detailed breakdown of how digital footprints, ring cameras, and vehicle data told the real story
- The disturbing buildup to the murder—and the moment everything changed
- The bizarre and almost unbelievable escape attempt, international manhunt, and eventual capture
- Heart-wrenching reflections on Mo Wilson’s parents, her journals, and the promise of a life stolen too soon
🗣️ Memorable moments from the episode:
- “It was so hard to get your brain around—she just seemed like she had everything going for her.”
- “Three lives were ruined that night.”
- “It’s painful to watch… but it’s important.”
Beyond the crime itself, JB and Sandy wrestle with a deeper question: how fragile our lives really are when emotions, ego, and technology collide. The conversation expands into other high‑profile Austin murder cases, exploring how quickly privilege, success, and normalcy can implode.
⚠️ This episode is emotional, unsettling, and deeply human—but impossible to ignore.
👉 If this episode moved you, make sure to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone who appreciates thoughtful, honest conversations about the stories that shape our world. Your support helps amplify these important deep dives. 🎙️⭐
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is kind of an extra podcast of
the show. Sometimes there's a lot of stuff on the
radio show that by the way, if you haven't found it,
it's ninety eight one cave that we just need to
take a deeper dive into. And that's the beautiful thing
about podcast is you can take a deeper dive and
jab you're a good person to talk about this with
because you watched it.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Right, Tricia, I did watch it.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
It was good.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, I watched it too. It's the documentary about the
death of Mariah Wilson. Let me catch everybody up on
what that was. She was a professional cycler cyclist that
was I guess, just visiting Austin and.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
It was in between two big races.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, she made a friend that lived here.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
They sort of dated briefly.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I'm talking about the girl, oh that she met, the
girl that she moved in with. Oh god, yeah, yeah,
yea yeah. Who. I felt so.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Sorry for the one who found her.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
This is on Netflix, by the way. And she became
friends with a guy that you know, Colin, and it
seemed like just friends and ended up being her Collin's
ex girlfriend who had broken up with Kristin Armstrong. Caitlyn
Caitlyn excuse me, sorry, Kristin. Caitlyn Armstrong shot and killed
(01:10):
her and was convicted of murder and sentenced to ninety
years in prison. And Jabie, you know this, These.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
People, I don't, I don't know. I never met Mariah
Wilson who uh was killed, right, but everything about her
she was a promising rising star. And I haven't watched
the documentary yet.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I can't. You should watch it. It's as close as
you are to it, you'll know.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, But yeah, I know. I know Colin. I ride bikes.
I would see him at Grew Prides all the time.
I'd see him at Meteor Cafe all the time. He
was real into motorcycles too, and on they would do
Monday moto nights.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
He left her house the night of the murder auto motorcycle.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Right, yeah, And so i'd see him there and I'd
chat with him all the time. I've stayed in touch
with him a note here or there, but I haven't.
I haven't seen him in person since this all went down.
And I knew Caitlin too, the one who committed the murder.
She would be on some of these bike rides or
post bike rides or at that modem night she'd come
(02:10):
with Colin and I've sat down and had beers with
her a few times. Really, it's just when this went down,
I just it was so hard to get your brain
around because she just seemed like such a person that
just had everything going for like one just like it's
(02:30):
weird how there's hardly any pictures of her. It's like
I think the family sort of scraped the Internet of
her pictures when when they were looking for it. Yeah,
gorgeous dropped in. Gorgeous in person, very athletic, she could
ride a bike pretty well. She was not a professional,
but she could hang and she was in real estate
(02:51):
and a yoga instructor.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
And I'm just like the documentary said, she was very
like financially savvy, like a very.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Very business Yeah, and she was helping Colin get his
things going with business. He's very he's a craftsman. He
likes to do welding and automotive and all this stuff.
And you know, so Colin and Caitlin were dating for
a while. They were on a break, uh you know,
taking a break as a relationship, but then he started
(03:19):
it's kind of dialing up a relationship with Mariah. They
called her mo Mo, and that was sort of short lived.
You know, they were they're both gravel racers, which is
gained in popularity. They probably talked about it a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
It had.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Gravel racing is a big thing. Colin has won basically
a national championship, pretty much a world championship because the
biggest event in the world on gravel racing is in
Kansas every year, believe it or not. And he won that.
He was he was a big star. And they were
on break as a couple, and he and Moe kind
(03:54):
of got things going a little bit, dancing on having
a relationship, and then I think they decided it was
better to be friends.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah, I can tell you this. They showed the detective
questioning Colin and asked him, have you guys had sex?
And he's like no.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
He was very cooperative, he was yeah. But the tough
thing is, you know, this was let me finish how
it unfolded. So they decided Caitlin, who committed the murder,
They decided to get back together. Her and Colin. They
were living together and all this stuff, and Moe was
(04:31):
passing through town. There's a big gravel race in Waco,
kind of leading up to the one in Kansas, and
so after the race in Waco, she rented an airbnb
with her friend in East Austin and was going to
stay in Austin for just a little bit before going
to do kNs do some training. There's a good cycling
scene here. And then while Moe was in town, Colin
(04:54):
and Moe were secretly texting. Probably Mo probably didn't know
his secret. Colin was keeping it.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Hidden and had her name in his phone as a
different person. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, because he said Caitlyn would go through his phone.
She had all of his passwords and everything.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
So even though technically it wasn't cheating, it just wasn't welcome.
And anyone who's been in relationships knows sort of that boundary. Yeah,
my wife doesn't like this person I used to have
kind of a relationship with. You don't go there, right,
right right. So anyway, while Mo was in town, they
met up. He picked her up on the motorcycle. They
(05:32):
went to Poolberger like the bat.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
She showed video from that in the knog.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Wow, like it was on security camps.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Why yeah, while they were sitting there having dinner. It
showed him sitting there.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
And then unbeknownst to Colin Caitlyn, his living girlfriend was
following him.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah. Oh, they didn't say she was following.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
She was following. She could see their text in real
time because she was logged in on his computer. He
thought he was being sneaky because she was watching it
in real time and knew where he was at all
times and knew exactly she actually drove to the house
where Mariah was staying. She was she was cruising around,
(06:14):
circling around, waiting for him to drop her.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Unbeknownst to her. Well, there's tracking of her phone that
was circling around there later later in the court in
the trial, and her car had data in it.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, there was a system in the car that I
guarantee you she didn't know about that. And this, for instance,
digital footprint there. They dug into it and found out
everything where that car was.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
It's like a black box. Exactly did you talk about
with airplanes. It has a history of the car, which
I didn't know that exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I didn't neither. I didn't neither.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Also, her car was on ring doorbell cameras, ye, circling
in the neighborhood. She kicked her Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I mean before she committed the crime. She drove around
the block. She pulled over. She thought about it. It's
kind of like, you know, now, going into a strip
club alone. You kind of sit there for a minute,
make sure is this what I really want to do?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
You know?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Sure, it's the same thing.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Where it's a nice dark corner.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I hope no one sees me going in by myself,
you know what I mean? But anyway, back this is yeah,
she anyway, I kind of interrupted you. So she was that.
Caitlyn was kind of following Colin. Colin they went out.
Was it after the pool Burger that Colin dropped her off?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
And that's when Caitlyn show right after.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
He dropped her off on the moto and where was
this East Austin East Austin Airbnb? And it was like
a back alley.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
But where her friend lives. She was staying with a
friend who lived in that apartment.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, oh got yeah, I thought it was an aa
we had a backhouse yeah yeah, yeah, the back house.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
And so as soon as he dropped her off, Caitlyn
went in there and just point blank confronted. Did you
the audio?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
No? They did not play it. I wish they would have.
I wanted to hear it.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
The audio of the of the gun and of screaming.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
They didn't hear it.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I've seen that in a different documentary.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Horrible. It was two shots and some scream screaming, and
two shots, a pause, and this is according to the
prosecuting attorney, a pause and a final shot right in
the heart first, Yeah, shot her. Yeah, wow, I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Know, it's it's the whole thing is just so sad,
so sad. Three lives ruined Colin. Colin posted something the
other day because the documentary came out. Some of the
hate mail he gets he's beginning hate mail, death threats. Uh,
he's a he's I mean, he he made it a
(08:46):
dating mistake. All guys have done.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
How many guys have done that? You're right, it's just
ended horribly.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
But he's a decent guy.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
You really, I mean, your heart, you know, feels for
any parent that loses a child. But when you kind
of get to know Moe's parents, I mean they're just
the nice, wonderful people, you know what I mean, and
just incredible.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
And she was smart too, Yeah, she really highly educated.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, I mean the dartmouth I think, Yeah, yeah, but
her parents were just I mean, being a parent when
you start, when you watch stuff like that, you just
if you can put yourself into their place, I don't
know how you go on if you lose a kid.
I just it was just incredible. So more about this
(09:37):
the part that I kind of forgot about the documentary
again it's on Netflix. Reminded me of it. Caitlin's at
Travis County Jail right, awaiting, awaiting escape, the escape at
the doctor's office. Yeah, forever, I thought. So. She made
up some excuses they couldn't put leg irons on her
leg shackles while she was at the doctor. She had
(09:59):
some injury, some something she made up, but they didn't
even have handcuffs on her when they and they said,
as soon as she got out of that doctor's office,
she bolted.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah, there's video of her running away.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And they show it and you forget it was very
Keystone coppish. Yeah, because the officer that was chasing her
falls down while trying to run up.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I shouldn't left.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
She got a mile away. She got away a mile
and then they they got her again. They like, now
we glossed over her fleeing the country to Costa Rica
with uh. So it was interesting because they were of course,
obviously you're checking the person's passport to see if it's
been used. She used her sisters. She went to New York,
(10:48):
I think upstate somewhere and got her sister's passport. She
looks a lot like her sister, so I can see
how she got away with it. And then she cruised
to Costa Rica and how they caught her.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
They did an ad for a yoga instructor and she applied.
I know it is a while.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I saw a different documentary the police officers who were
there in the town she was in, and they checked
all the different places they thought she could be. Then
one of their last ditch efforts was to put the
yoga instructor ad in and they waited and waited, and
literally the day that she showed up was the day
that they were like, well, this isn't going to work.
We're going to leave later tonight. And she ended up
(11:27):
showing up that day before they leave. She had dyed
her hair, she had a nose job.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, I had some plastic surgery because it's very distinct redhead.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Do you guys think that she thought she could run forever.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, you're right, she must have the other part. Did
they talk about her selling her car at CarMax?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, they have video of that too. Wow video, I
just got cash. Yeah, she could take to what's up
being because.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
They were looking for that car too, which had a
very distinct bike rack on it.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Right now. Being an acquaintance of Colin, what's up with
him and the little dog? I mean, he's got a
I think believe it's a docs. And the reason I
bring this up is it was very unusual to see
him walking out of the courthouse after being a witness
in the in the trial carrying a little dog. I've
never seen anybody with a dog at the courthouse.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Is it a I don't know for sure. When he
wasn't It must be because he completely isolated himself for
some time. He's He's like, you didn't hear from him?
I sent him a couple of notes here and there.
I'd get a message back from him. I don't know
him real well. I don't want to mislead people, but
he didn't have the dog with him all the time
(12:38):
prior to this incident, and I think he was literally
he moved to Lockhart. He's on his own. He does
some great work. He started restoring old vintage trailers and
now now he's building like what do they call him,
these overland trucks and stuff and putting Mercedes diesels and
(13:01):
he makes some Wow. He's just an amazing talent with fabricating, welding, woodwork.
Can play a mean guitar. He's that guy's I remember.
But before all this, I was like, what a renaissance
man this guy can I can see why women would
just fall for him. Great athlete, good looking guy. Yeah,
(13:23):
can make things, yeah, can play music. Yeah, he's just
a he's a decent guy. And he's just now it's
all he's reliving it all again, you know, since this
documentary came out.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a good watch. It's painful to
watch at times. It's sad. I mean it's really really sad.
And they read a lot of most jourtle She jurnled
a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, I know, Trisha, you always freak out of the
people I know. To the director. I know the director too,
Marina Zenovich.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
She did the Lands thirty for thirty, so I spent
some time with her, you know, the year before that,
came out.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Well, you were in that.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I wasn't in it.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
You were in something I saw, Okay, you.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Were I wasn't in that thirty for thirty.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Huh. But maybe that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, she did a good job. She did
a great job with this documentary.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
It was very She did the Robin Williams Robin Williams.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, so that's what you said.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I can't watch that. I just I just loved Robin
Williams so much.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I watched it.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
It was good.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
It was tough.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah. I think she did the Duke Lacrosse thirty for
thirty as well.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
That deal. Those kids got screwed that girl, oh the
lacrosse guy. Yeah, that girl made up that whole story.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
They got crucified.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, ruined their lives over bullshit. I mean, just yeah, unbelievable, crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
The I need to watch it. It's it's tough though.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, I'm sure it's close to home for you.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, you know, I mean, I just was. I was
wrecked thinking about all of them.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
You know, I'm waiting and I've listened to the podcast
of the The Eric mand Story. Yeah, because I knew
Eric very well.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, our kids were in school together. I'd see him
all the time.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah. I played a lot of golf with Eric Mand
at Austin Country Club.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
And if you don't know that story, you know the
name Eric Mand from the car family. Yeah, the huge
and he was third generation. Yeah, taking the reins there
a bit, but murdered for hire. He had a he
had a flaying out of town and then they were
(15:37):
going to extort her and her boyfriend were going to
extort money from him. Yeah, and I mean caught dead
to rights, murder for hire.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I mean they've got they had everything on him. Everything.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
The two guys he hired, or two of the three
guys he hired, turned on him, set him up. On
the day he got got arrested. Yeah, they called him.
They the two guys had been arrested and they were
in the police station and called Eric Mand. The police
are listening in when Eric Mond gave another order to
have somebody taken out.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, those two things, the two stories we just talked about,
happened pretty close to each other. And I was sitting
there going two people I know just went away for
life for murder. Yeah, it kind of freaked me out.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
The deal with Eric is just I mean to do
two things. One, just tell your wife and get a divorce. Yeah,
come on, eat that bag of crap.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
You know what I mean, she might not even divorce you, right,
you just don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Just do that. The other thing is, dude, you had
a maid. You know how much money they were paying
him three hundred grand a month a month, Yeah, three
hundred grand a month to do nothing. They didn't want
him at the dealership. Yeah, screwed.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
And he lived by acc Yeah, the rock course on.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
The seventeenth I believe, the seventeenth hole.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
I think it was like a four million dollar house.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
They had it made, He had it made, didn't.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Have to hit it a lick. Just hang out at
Austin country club.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Man, it's the power of nookie. Man, It just losses
and guys are stupid.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Guys are dumb.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Always goes back to a girl.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Then, yeah, we to my buddy Jim Swayer always said,
he always said, you can trace every problem the history
of mankind, every problem back to a woman.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
But it's it's not their fault. It's just stupidity of men. Yeah,
I can't think straight.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, So that was that happened. Those both those things
took place within six months of each other. And I'll
never ever ever drive by the Wonder World exit down
in San Marcos without thinking of Eric Brocat. That's that's
where they stopped. Don That's right, they were driving back
from the mand ranch in South Texas deer hunting truck.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
You had another privilege.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, how'd you like to be his buddy that was
riding with him? I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I'm just like, what's happening right now?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
You're get out of the car with guns drawn by
federal officers.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, and not too long after Eric, I think before
he was convicted. Maybe, I don't know, before after the trial.
His family again, three generations of being huge dealers car
dealers in Austin sold the grape. You don't see the
name Mond done anything anymore.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
You know, the brands didn't want him to own it anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I think the owner's name was ruined.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Right. It's a franchise and there's rules. Yeah, you know
what I mean, there's probably a conduct clause exactly so
they and they sold it for a ton, but not
near what it was worth. I mean fractions on the
dollar of how much they could have gotten for it.
But it's crazy. I just that story ate me up
when it happened, and it just couldn't get enough. And
(18:42):
by the way, Texas Monthly did a really good podcast
about the Mond case. It's called The Problem with Eric.
Really well done, really really well done, if you want
to check that out. So this is kind of fun.
Wedn't do this again sometime, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
A little insight thing. We can go a little bit
longer and in depth.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah podcast, so yeah, then we can on the radio, correct,
So check back. We'll let you know when we do
these types of extras, all right, in depth investigation.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, it makes sure it's a music for it.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Listen to us on the radio too, every morning from
six until ten. We are ninety eight one kvet
All right, this is kind of an extra podcast of
the show. Sometimes there's a lot of stuff on the
radio show that by the way, if you haven't found it,
it's ninety eight one cave that we just need to
take a deeper dive into. And that's the beautiful thing
about podcast is you can take a deeper dive and
jab you're a good person to talk about this with
because you watched it.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Right, Tricia, I did watch it.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
It was good.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, I watched it too. It's the documentary about the
death of Mariah Wilson. Let me catch everybody up on
what that was. She was a professional cycler cyclist that
was I guess, just visiting Austin and.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
It was in between two big races.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, she made a friend that lived here.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
They sort of dated briefly.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I'm talking about the girl, oh that she met, the
girl that she moved in with. Oh god, yeah, yeah,
yea yeah. Who. I felt so.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Sorry for the one who found her.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
This is on Netflix, by the way. And she became
friends with a guy that you know, Colin, and it
seemed like just friends and ended up being her Collin's
ex girlfriend who had broken up with Kristin Armstrong. Caitlyn
Caitlyn excuse me, sorry, Kristin. Caitlyn Armstrong shot and killed
(01:10):
her and was convicted of murder and sentenced to ninety
years in prison. And Jabie, you know this, These.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
People, I don't, I don't know. I never met Mariah
Wilson who uh was killed, right, but everything about her
she was a promising rising star. And I haven't watched
the documentary yet.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I can't. You should watch it. It's as close as
you are to it, you'll know.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, But yeah, I know. I know Colin. I ride bikes.
I would see him at Grew Prides all the time.
I'd see him at Meteor Cafe all the time. He
was real into motorcycles too, and on they would do
Monday moto nights.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
He left her house the night of the murder auto motorcycle.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Right, yeah, And so i'd see him there and I'd
chat with him all the time. I've stayed in touch
with him a note here or there, but I haven't.
I haven't seen him in person since this all went down.
And I knew Caitlin too, the one who committed the murder.
She would be on some of these bike rides or
post bike rides or at that modem night she'd come
(02:10):
with Colin and I've sat down and had beers with
her a few times. Really, it's just when this went down,
I just it was so hard to get your brain
around because she just seemed like such a person that
just had everything going for like one just like it's
(02:30):
weird how there's hardly any pictures of her. It's like
I think the family sort of scraped the Internet of
her pictures when when they were looking for it. Yeah,
gorgeous dropped in. Gorgeous in person, very athletic, she could
ride a bike pretty well. She was not a professional,
but she could hang and she was in real estate
(02:51):
and a yoga instructor.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
And I'm just like the documentary said, she was very
like financially savvy, like a very.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Very business Yeah, and she was helping Colin get his
things going with business. He's very he's a craftsman. He
likes to do welding and automotive and all this stuff.
And you know, so Colin and Caitlin were dating for
a while. They were on a break, uh you know,
taking a break as a relationship, but then he started
(03:19):
it's kind of dialing up a relationship with Mariah. They
called her mo Mo, and that was sort of short lived.
You know, they were they're both gravel racers, which is
gained in popularity. They probably talked about it a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
It had.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Gravel racing is a big thing. Colin has won basically
a national championship, pretty much a world championship because the
biggest event in the world on gravel racing is in
Kansas every year, believe it or not. And he won that.
He was he was a big star. And they were
on break as a couple, and he and Moe kind
(03:54):
of got things going a little bit, dancing on having
a relationship, and then I think they decided it was
better to be friends.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah, I can tell you this. They showed the detective
questioning Colin and asked him, have you guys had sex?
And he's like no.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
He was very cooperative, he was yeah. But the tough
thing is, you know, this was let me finish how
it unfolded. So they decided Caitlin, who committed the murder,
They decided to get back together. Her and Colin. They
were living together and all this stuff, and Moe was
(04:31):
passing through town. There's a big gravel race in Waco,
kind of leading up to the one in Kansas, and
so after the race in Waco, she rented an airbnb
with her friend in East Austin and was going to
stay in Austin for just a little bit before going
to do kNs do some training. There's a good cycling
scene here. And then while Moe was in town, Colin
(04:54):
and Moe were secretly texting. Probably Mo probably didn't know
his secret. Colin was keeping it.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Hidden and had her name in his phone as a
different person. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, because he said Caitlyn would go through his phone.
She had all of his passwords and everything.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
So even though technically it wasn't cheating, it just wasn't welcome.
And anyone who's been in relationships knows sort of that boundary. Yeah,
my wife doesn't like this person I used to have
kind of a relationship with. You don't go there, right,
right right. So anyway, while Mo was in town, they
met up. He picked her up on the motorcycle. They
(05:32):
went to Poolberger like the bat.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
She showed video from that in the knog.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Wow, like it was on security camps.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Why yeah, while they were sitting there having dinner. It
showed him sitting there.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
And then unbeknownst to Colin Caitlyn, his living girlfriend was
following him.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah. Oh, they didn't say she was following.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
She was following. She could see their text in real
time because she was logged in on his computer. He
thought he was being sneaky because she was watching it
in real time and knew where he was at all
times and knew exactly she actually drove to the house
where Mariah was staying. She was she was cruising around,
(06:14):
circling around, waiting for him to drop her.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Unbeknownst to her. Well, there's tracking of her phone that
was circling around there later later in the court in
the trial, and her car had data in it.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, there was a system in the car that I
guarantee you she didn't know about that. And this, for instance,
digital footprint there. They dug into it and found out
everything where that car was.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
It's like a black box. Exactly did you talk about
with airplanes. It has a history of the car, which
I didn't know that exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I didn't neither. I didn't neither.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Also, her car was on ring doorbell cameras, ye, circling
in the neighborhood. She kicked her Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I mean before she committed the crime. She drove around
the block. She pulled over. She thought about it. It's
kind of like, you know, now, going into a strip
club alone. You kind of sit there for a minute,
make sure is this what I really want to do?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
You know?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Sure, it's the same thing.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Where it's a nice dark corner.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I hope no one sees me going in by myself,
you know what I mean? But anyway, back this is yeah,
she anyway, I kind of interrupted you. So she was that.
Caitlyn was kind of following Colin. Colin they went out.
Was it after the pool Burger that Colin dropped her off?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
And that's when Caitlyn show right after.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
He dropped her off on the moto and where was
this East Austin East Austin Airbnb? And it was like
a back alley.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
But where her friend lives. She was staying with a
friend who lived in that apartment.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, oh got yeah, I thought it was an aa
we had a backhouse yeah yeah, yeah, the back house.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
And so as soon as he dropped her off, Caitlyn
went in there and just point blank confronted. Did you
the audio?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
No? They did not play it. I wish they would have.
I wanted to hear it.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
The audio of the of the gun and of screaming.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
They didn't hear it.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I've seen that in a different documentary.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Horrible. It was two shots and some scream screaming, and
two shots, a pause, and this is according to the
prosecuting attorney, a pause and a final shot right in
the heart first, Yeah, shot her. Yeah, wow, I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Know, it's it's the whole thing is just so sad,
so sad. Three lives ruined Colin. Colin posted something the
other day because the documentary came out. Some of the
hate mail he gets he's beginning hate mail, death threats. Uh,
he's a he's I mean, he he made it a
(08:46):
dating mistake. All guys have done.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
How many guys have done that? You're right, it's just
ended horribly.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
But he's a decent guy.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
You really, I mean, your heart, you know, feels for
any parent that loses a child. But when you kind
of get to know Moe's parents, I mean they're just
the nice, wonderful people, you know what I mean, and
just incredible.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
And she was smart too, Yeah, she really highly educated.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, I mean the dartmouth I think, Yeah, yeah, but
her parents were just I mean, being a parent when
you start, when you watch stuff like that, you just
if you can put yourself into their place, I don't
know how you go on if you lose a kid.
I just it was just incredible. So more about this
(09:37):
the part that I kind of forgot about the documentary
again it's on Netflix. Reminded me of it. Caitlin's at
Travis County Jail right, awaiting, awaiting escape, the escape at
the doctor's office. Yeah, forever, I thought. So. She made
up some excuses they couldn't put leg irons on her
leg shackles while she was at the doctor. She had
(09:59):
some injury, some something she made up, but they didn't
even have handcuffs on her when they and they said,
as soon as she got out of that doctor's office,
she bolted.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah, there's video of her running away.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And they show it and you forget it was very
Keystone coppish. Yeah, because the officer that was chasing her
falls down while trying to run up.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I shouldn't left.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
She got a mile away. She got away a mile
and then they they got her again. They like, now
we glossed over her fleeing the country to Costa Rica
with uh. So it was interesting because they were of course,
obviously you're checking the person's passport to see if it's
been used. She used her sisters. She went to New York,
(10:48):
I think upstate somewhere and got her sister's passport. She
looks a lot like her sister, so I can see
how she got away with it. And then she cruised
to Costa Rica and how they caught her.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
They did an ad for a yoga instructor and she applied.
I know it is a while.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I saw a different documentary the police officers who were
there in the town she was in, and they checked
all the different places they thought she could be. Then
one of their last ditch efforts was to put the
yoga instructor ad in and they waited and waited, and
literally the day that she showed up was the day
that they were like, well, this isn't going to work.
We're going to leave later tonight. And she ended up
(11:27):
showing up that day before they leave. She had dyed
her hair, she had a nose job.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, I had some plastic surgery because it's very distinct redhead.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Do you guys think that she thought she could run forever.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, you're right, she must have the other part. Did
they talk about her selling her car at CarMax?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, they have video of that too. Wow video, I
just got cash. Yeah, she could take to what's up
being because.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
They were looking for that car too, which had a
very distinct bike rack on it.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Right now. Being an acquaintance of Colin, what's up with
him and the little dog? I mean, he's got a
I think believe it's a docs. And the reason I
bring this up is it was very unusual to see
him walking out of the courthouse after being a witness
in the in the trial carrying a little dog. I've
never seen anybody with a dog at the courthouse.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Is it a I don't know for sure. When he
wasn't It must be because he completely isolated himself for
some time. He's He's like, you didn't hear from him?
I sent him a couple of notes here and there.
I'd get a message back from him. I don't know
him real well. I don't want to mislead people, but
he didn't have the dog with him all the time
(12:38):
prior to this incident, and I think he was literally
he moved to Lockhart. He's on his own. He does
some great work. He started restoring old vintage trailers and
now now he's building like what do they call him,
these overland trucks and stuff and putting Mercedes diesels and
(13:01):
he makes some Wow. He's just an amazing talent with fabricating, welding, woodwork.
Can play a mean guitar. He's that guy's I remember.
But before all this, I was like, what a renaissance
man this guy can I can see why women would
just fall for him. Great athlete, good looking guy. Yeah,
(13:23):
can make things, yeah, can play music. Yeah, he's just
a he's a decent guy. And he's just now it's
all he's reliving it all again, you know, since this
documentary came out.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a good watch. It's painful to
watch at times. It's sad. I mean it's really really sad.
And they read a lot of most jourtle She jurnled
a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, I know, Trisha, you always freak out of the
people I know. To the director. I know the director too,
Marina Zenovich.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
She did the Lands thirty for thirty, so I spent
some time with her, you know, the year before that,
came out.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Well, you were in that.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I wasn't in it.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
You were in something I saw, Okay, you.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Were I wasn't in that thirty for thirty.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Huh. But maybe that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, she did a good job. She did
a great job with this documentary.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
It was very She did the Robin Williams Robin Williams.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, so that's what you said.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I can't watch that. I just I just loved Robin
Williams so much.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I watched it.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
It was good.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
It was tough.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah. I think she did the Duke Lacrosse thirty for
thirty as well.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
That deal. Those kids got screwed that girl, oh the
lacrosse guy. Yeah, that girl made up that whole story.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
They got crucified.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, ruined their lives over bullshit. I mean, just yeah, unbelievable, crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
The I need to watch it. It's it's tough though.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, I'm sure it's close to home for you.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, you know, I mean, I just was. I was
wrecked thinking about all of them.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
You know, I'm waiting and I've listened to the podcast
of the The Eric mand Story. Yeah, because I knew
Eric very well.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, our kids were in school together. I'd see him
all the time.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah. I played a lot of golf with Eric Mand
at Austin Country Club.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
And if you don't know that story, you know the
name Eric Mand from the car family. Yeah, the huge
and he was third generation. Yeah, taking the reins there
a bit, but murdered for hire. He had a he
had a flaying out of town and then they were
(15:37):
going to extort her and her boyfriend were going to
extort money from him. Yeah, and I mean caught dead
to rights, murder for hire.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I mean they've got they had everything on him. Everything.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
The two guys he hired, or two of the three
guys he hired, turned on him, set him up. On
the day he got got arrested. Yeah, they called him.
They the two guys had been arrested and they were
in the police station and called Eric Mand. The police
are listening in when Eric Mond gave another order to
have somebody taken out.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, those two things, the two stories we just talked about,
happened pretty close to each other. And I was sitting
there going two people I know just went away for
life for murder. Yeah, it kind of freaked me out.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
The deal with Eric is just I mean to do
two things. One, just tell your wife and get a divorce. Yeah,
come on, eat that bag of crap.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
You know what I mean, she might not even divorce you, right,
you just don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Just do that. The other thing is, dude, you had
a maid. You know how much money they were paying
him three hundred grand a month a month, Yeah, three
hundred grand a month to do nothing. They didn't want
him at the dealership. Yeah, screwed.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
And he lived by acc Yeah, the rock course on.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
The seventeenth I believe, the seventeenth hole.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
I think it was like a four million dollar house.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
They had it made, He had it made, didn't.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Have to hit it a lick. Just hang out at
Austin country club.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Man, it's the power of nookie. Man, It just losses
and guys are stupid.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Guys are dumb.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Always goes back to a girl.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Then, yeah, we to my buddy Jim Swayer always said,
he always said, you can trace every problem the history
of mankind, every problem back to a woman.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
But it's it's not their fault. It's just stupidity of men. Yeah,
I can't think straight.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, So that was that happened. Those both those things
took place within six months of each other. And I'll
never ever ever drive by the Wonder World exit down
in San Marcos without thinking of Eric Brocat. That's that's
where they stopped. Don That's right, they were driving back
from the mand ranch in South Texas deer hunting truck.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
You had another privilege.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, how'd you like to be his buddy that was
riding with him? I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I'm just like, what's happening right now?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
You're get out of the car with guns drawn by
federal officers.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, and not too long after Eric, I think before
he was convicted. Maybe, I don't know, before after the trial.
His family again, three generations of being huge dealers car
dealers in Austin sold the grape. You don't see the
name Mond done anything anymore.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
You know, the brands didn't want him to own it anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I think the owner's name was ruined.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Right. It's a franchise and there's rules. Yeah, you know
what I mean, there's probably a conduct clause exactly so
they and they sold it for a ton, but not
near what it was worth. I mean fractions on the
dollar of how much they could have gotten for it.
But it's crazy. I just that story ate me up
when it happened, and it just couldn't get enough. And
(18:42):
by the way, Texas Monthly did a really good podcast
about the Mond case. It's called The Problem with Eric.
Really well done, really really well done, if you want
to check that out. So this is kind of fun.
Wedn't do this again sometime, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
A little insight thing. We can go a little bit
longer and in depth.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah podcast, so yeah, then we can on the radio, correct,
So check back. We'll let you know when we do
these types of extras, all right, in depth investigation.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, it makes sure it's a music for it.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
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