The Line Change Podcast Episode 2 - Thom Cunningham & Brian Ortega

It's an Oscar's preview edition of The Line Change. Jon Jansen is joined by two of the best Oscar's handicappers Thom Cunningham (@_TJKC_) and Brian Ortega (@BrianOrtegaLV) to go over the odds!

-Process of finding bets for the Oscar's
-Precursor awards before the Oscar's
-Oscar's voting habits and trends
-How many awards will Oppenheimer win?
-Bets you can still place now
-Dune Part Two Oscar's 2025 projections
-Movies to look out for in 2024

Episode Transcript

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It is episode number two of theLine Change podcast right here at iHeartRadio,
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it. This is though an Oscar'sedition of The Line Change. So I
had to get two guys. Iasked my good friend Adam Rosenberger. You

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guys know, I said, Adam, you know everyone, give me your
best movie. And he gave meTom Cunningham. You see him all with
the glasses looking it with the QueenCity. What do we got there?
Queen City? Jack? Oh?Nice? And then he also said to
me to hit up Brian or Taking. You guys, by the way,
have a podcast which I will talkwith you about. So Tom, first

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introduce yourself what you got going onwhere they can find because you do a
lot of movie stuff. Yeah,well I'm Tom, and you know,
I guess the title that you couldjust associate me with at this point is
just a sports betting and OSCARS bettinganalyst. And yeah, I've kind of
been all over the places Vegas Insider, Gambling, dot Com, sportsbook review.
So yeah, I'm really excited todive into this. You know,

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Brian, I forecast this for literallytwelve months of right here, we're ready
for a Sunday. Yeah, what'sthe what's the name of the podcast?
It is called Tom box Office Betting. That's right, box Office Bets.
I always forget the title, andI was the one who came up with
it, and I feel so badabout it. Yeah, we don't have

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to forget the name of their ownpodcast. I love that. Yeah,
we got a lot going on,that is true, Jack Is and you
also, I think you're a Visaright now. I saw your article for
these odds over at Visa. Thankyou. Yeah, so I am basically
the resident oscar person over at Visinso I get to sort of write whenever
I can for that one. I'mregulated to just movie stuff though, so

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I do movie stuff for there,and then I also sort of send a
lot of the stuff over to DraftKingsNetwork on their website for their sort of
pop culture movie stuff as well.So if usually focused around betting, but
I also produce stuff for their regularsports shows as well. Yeah, so
there's a lot to get into,obviously with the Oscars and the big one
Oppenheimer. I'm sure we're going togo deep into that because thirteen nominations I

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saw the line change is sponsored byCutsports Betting, so cut dot com social
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on in a few episodes next week, but they do have a total up
of eight and a half wins forOppenheimer at the Oscar, So I do
want to discuss that. But firstbefore we do that, this is a
long game. This isn't or theOscars you just look it up a week

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before and you kind of figure itout. We're doing this way ahead of
time. Award season started a fewmonths ago. So when does this When
do the odds start to come intoplay for you? And I'll start with
you tom of when these odds firstcome up, and when you start to
feel the market is kind of atits best, because I don't feel like
right now is the place to dowell. I should say that it depends

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on what category. So typically theBest Picture will be the only odds that
appear first for a few months,and it could be anywhere from as early
as May to June or July.And then you might get Best Director odds
as well. Those are probably thetwo markets that open first. A few
months will go by, you mightget Actor Actress around end of August,

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maybe September, and then you'll getBest Supporting Actor and Actress, and then
the rest of the odds typically won'tcome out until nominations are revealed, but
in some cases that has been provento be not true. As a screenplay
odds have been out early in thepast, so really just the main categories
come out early in the year,and then as the year progresses, then

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you know, we trickle down withmore markets opening. Yeah, and what's
the thought process with that? AndI'll go with this one, Brian,
because we don't have really anything likethis in sports. Usually we bet before
the game and then it happens,and then you know it bets cash out.
This is a little bit different.We do have award season though,
in like the NBA. NBA hastheir awards MVP. Is it like that,

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How would you kind of describe whatit's like to bet the oscars in
your process of finding these bets throughoutthe year. Definitely, so I would
one hundred percent agree with that.So this year, I think they came
out around July. Was this likethe general nominations that Tom is talking about,
But it is like betting an awardsmarket because you're really not betting.
Some of it is handicapping the actualplay on the field, and some of

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it is also handicapping the voters whovote on this thing. So it's good
to know sort of past history ofhow they like to vote and also sort
of figure out when these movies comeout, because then you have to figure
out I use this example on adifferent show that let's just say that Patrick
Mahomes and Lamar Jackson played early inthe season, and then let's just say
Lamar Jackson got one over on PatrickMahomes. But then Patrick Mahomes has a

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great end of the season. Hemight have a better run at the end
of the season because he played atthe right time, it's fresh in the
voter's minds when they have to bet. So you have to look at it
kind of how you bet these futuresmarkets, and half of it is being
a fan of said sport or saidmovies. If you will, you kind
of forecast what movies are going tobe big that year and then sort of
get your game plan of who youthink, sort of power rank who you

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think is going to be good thatyear, and also contend in the awards
markets. Now we'll get into,obviously the process of the Oscars, because
there's what nine thousand plus voters andthere are some movies because I think the
one that everybody pointed to a moviethat got nominated that really shouldn't have or
at least two actresses in the movieNah Yah gets nominations and everybody's like,

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what on earth is Naya doing here? But that's the Oscars get those movies.
So what what are some Oscars ticks? What are the trends, What
are some habits that they have interms of not only getting these nominated but
then eventually picking winners. Brian,I'll start with you on that. Yeah,
I think one of them is definitelygoing to be the biopick that's sort
of like the sort of tired thingthat everybody hates. I love biopicks,

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so I'm totally for it. Butagain, it's very paint by numbers,
and many biopicks kind of go wrong. Like you saw Marlee not Marley?
Is it called Marley? Oh?Was one love Bob Bob Marley? Yeah?
And like people who really enjoyed BobMarley enjoyed the movie, but it
was really panned just because they didn'treally enjoy the critics didn't enjoy the film
itself. So people like them,but sometimes they can go wrong, but

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that's one of them. Period piecesare also really big. So for example,
Poor Things is not really like aperiod piece, but it does take
place in a time period and it'ssort of, you know, different and
unique. So I think we havea very diverse set of you know,
nominees here, but that is definitelyone. Also, you have a lot
of legacy people like Robert Downey Junior. You also have the ladies from Naiad

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Jodi Foster, who I think deserveswell. I think she should have deserved
a nomination. But that's one thingto look at as those sort of legacy
actors and also like Nolan is alegacy director who hasn't won yet, so
you have to have those storylines sortof mapped out going into the season.
Yeah, any oscar voting habits tomthat you have observed, I mean,

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it really depends on what category you'relooking at. And so Brian mentioned period
pieces, those typically clean up costumedesign. Any movies that deal with fashion
Missus Harris Goes to Paris last yearat Cruella was another one, those do
pretty well with costume design as well. Sticking with Poor Things, I think
the production design also with period piecesdoes pretty well. The fact that Poor

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Things kind of ties in period pieces, along with the uniqueness of its world,
is really going to help production design. I think actually it was the
underdog, and I'm pretty sure itpassed Barbie in production design is now the
favorite, which is pretty impressive consideringthe production design of Barbie Land alone phenomenal.
So for me, it does dependon the category. I know,
for cinematography, Brian and I talkabout this a lot. The camera nerds

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love when you utilize black and white, and when you look at Oppenheimer,
they did that pretty phenomenally. Imean there's a lot that Nolan did well
with that movie. But the cinematographynerds really kind of, you know,
love that style, and so it'slittle things you have to look for within
certain categories and you kind of haveto start thinking, Okay, how are
the camera you know, cameramen thinkingabout cinematography, how are the costume designers

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thinking about costume designs? And Iwill also say with makeup design, typically
movies that take you through a character'sentire life the eyes of Tammy Fay Maestro,
they do well with makeup design becauseyou are using a lot of prosthetics
and makeups and designs to basically movea character through their life. And so
those are things I would look for, But again, it does come down

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to the specific category that you're lookingat. You know what's funny about all
of that you just said is Oppenheimerhas every single one of those pieces like
Zheimer just feels like an encapsulation ofeverything. And the thing is, I
don't know if Nolan did that onpurpose. Nolan's just a very good director
and I think creates very good moviemoments, very good movie set pieces,
and it's just it encapsulates everything.I think what you just said the period

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pieces, the fact that he doeshave the he has Killie Murphy, going
through so many years of Robert Oppenheimer'slife, all of that stuff. So
Oppenheimer thirteen nominations for a reason.Before I get into that, because I
Oppenheimer is gonna, I think,take up some of this a lot of
this discussion. But leading up toI think the other thing we look for
is when award season starts, arewhat certain awards are we looking for ahead

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of time? So what awards giveyou a good indication of what might be
going strong or have momentum heading intothe oscars? Brian, you want to
take this with the SAgs. Ohyes, so yes, So you have
to look at a lot of theprecursors. But honestly, we me and
Tom have been looking at this fromearly in the season. Once you start

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getting into the critics awards like theLas Vegas Like Critics Awards Guild and the
Los Angeles Awards Guild, you haveto look at those ones just to kind
of see just take the temperature,you know, put your finger in the
water, see what's going on.But you have to have your own intuition
about how this is gonna go,Like when I saw Killers of the Flower
Moon, which came out in Ican't remember when Killers of Flower and actually

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came out, it was October,that's right. I just felt like Lily
Gladstone was gonna be a big partof that film, and she her odds
moved astronomically. So you do seethese trailers come out and you say,
okay, that person, I cansee them maybe having a big contribution.
Obviously, I thought that Margot Robbiewould get a nomination for Best Actress.

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She didn't, but more so becauseshe's sort of the center of the film.
It's so much money, how couldthey leave her out? So I
do look and see how they're performing, and then you go from there.
But again this year, it happensso much so early with Oppenheimer kind of
going in kind of took up alot of the air out of the room
for Best Picture, Best Director,Best Actor. That you kind of didn't

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get that this year, which usuallyit happens later in the season. But
I don't know, it's it's it'sa very interesting thing to track. Brian.
What's the what's the stat with theSAG winner for is it Best Actress
or Best Best Supporting actress. SoI know for Best support I think for
Best Supporting Actress, in the lastten years, they've matched up ten for
ten SAG winner. Yeah. Yeah, and the more reason for that is

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she Yeah, so that that happensquite a bit. I did a lot
of that. That stat is actuallyfrom last year because I remember Debo's it
was either last year the year before. Oh no, that sorry, that
was Jamie Lee Curtis last year,but she also won a SAG and then
she ended up winning the Oscar andshe was not the favorite. So that's
a very good indication. But thisyear for Best Actress. We'll get into

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this a little bit later. Thereis a very unique stat to talk about,
so unless you guys want to talkabout it now, I will say
there are some precursor shows that youwant to avoid, and I think the
Golden Globes and probably the Bath Doseswould be two that you probably shouldn't look
too much into the results because thevoting pool is very different. It's very
international based, and I think thiskind of goes right into the animated film

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market. If you were to tellme that Spider Man across the Spider Verse
and Boy Heron are going up atit in the BAFTAs, I would probably
take Boy Heron because it's a muchmore international flavor and flair, and that's
just the voting panel. With theAcademy of Awards, it's much more domestic
voting, and so for this awardshow the Oscars, I would think I
would probably lean Spider Man more becauseit just has much more domestic flair than

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Boy Heron. So I do think, yeah, I think the international award
shows are probably ones you best avoidof all the award shows before the Oscars
actually take place. You I thinkanimation is a good category for kind of
what you guys saying of habits,because Japanese animated films don't get a lot
of love. It's usually Disney Pixarstuff. It's usually the children's stuff.

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If it's a mature Japanese film,high on me as acci only as one
award. I mean, Azaki isconsidered one of the best directors, and
I think this is one of hisbest movies. But you're right, as
much as I love The Boy andthe Hair and Spider Man Spider Verse,
I'm that's easily I think a onethat the Oscars would fall in love with,
and it's this cartoonist styled, stilla little bit mature, but still

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for kids. So yeah, Icompletely agree with that. So let's start
off with the big one. Oppenheimerhas thirteen nominations, and Brian, I
know you wrote about this a lot, so I'll start with you first on
this one. Is what are welooking at here with Oppenheimer? Because to
me, it does feel like thismovie is going to dominate and not just

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six maybe seven awards. I thinkwe could be getting close to ten award
wins, and the surprises you're goingto see, I think are just going
to be Oppenheimer in like the secondarycategories. How how much do you think
Oppenheimer is going to dominate the Oscars? Sure? So this is one of
the years that I'm okay with itjust dominating because it's my favorite film of
the year. I've gone through yearswhere my favorite movie didn't win anything and

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I just left super pissed off.I mean, last year, everything everwhell
at once, I absolutely hated thatmovie. I didn't get it. I
watched it four times, never understoodit, but I understood it was gonna
win. So you just have togo in knowing this. But I think
so you hung up something on Twitter, which was an over under eight and
a half, which I think isthe perfect number because I think ten is

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gonna be a stretch for it toget there. But I think the category
is it's gonna, you know,clean up on is Best Picture, Best
Director, Best Actor, Supporting Actor, Cinematography, sound, original score.
What else do we have? Ithink is that eight? I think I
got to eight. Editing? Dowe get the editing? Oh? And
editing of course, because editing andBest Picture that's always a correlated one.

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So typically this is just for youknow, learning to handicap this. If
you think that your best picture isgonna win, you probably should go ahead
and bed and best editing as well, because that typically goes hand in hand.
But I think they're gonna have troublein the Obviously they're not gonna win
Best Actress, which was Emily Blunt, So that's one that's gonna go down.
And then also the adapted screenplay,it's close, that's the one that's

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gonna get you over eight and ahalf. I'm kind of going back and
forth. Yeah, So that's theone that you have to keep your eyeball
on because I think it's plus twohundred at the moment, it's right behind
American Fiction, which is minus twofifty the favorite, which I did see
that this sort of like stuck outto me as I was writing the article
for this particular category, adapted Screenplayand this one. I think a lot
of people think there's three options,Barbie Oppenheimer and American Fiction. American Fiction

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has won this category for most ofthe awards season. They won at the
Baftis, which again doesn't always matchup. It's not a, you know,
a big thing. But the thingthat I took away from that is
is that if any place on thisyou know, precursor trail was Oppenheimer gonna
win Adapted Screenplay, it would havebeen at the Bathtis. You have a
British director who won for Best PictureBest Director at the Baptis and could not

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win in the adapted Screenplay category,which I think is a huge deal.
It also won at the Golden Globes, which again we don't use as a
huge precursor, but with all ofthe Golden Globes having all of those nominees
in it, including the comedy onesbecause sorry, not comedy but original and
adapted and American Fiction came out ontop. I think that says something to

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it being the favorite, so rightnow I think it should be a bigger
favorite. But right now it's minustwo fifty, which I know we don't
like betting chalk, but that's probablyone of the nicer chalkier plays. I
think, are you gonna you're gonnahave to bet chalk if you are betting
the Oscars, Like if you're givingadvice on betting the Oscars, I mean,
especially for this year, I guessit would be you're gonna have to
bet some chalk, right, Yeah, unless you got these right at the

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open, which I got Anatomy atthe Fall right at the open plus one
and seventy five, and it feltit felt really good about it. Yes,
yea Best Original Screenplay. I gotit at a solid number and that's
what. Yeah. I think it'slike minus two to seventy five or something.
But I don't know. How doyou guys feel about Oppenheimer's chances of
getting over eight and a half becauseI think that's a great number, eight

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eight and a half, and Ithink I think the under was plus one
hundred. I would take that allday, to be honest. Oh,
the under plus hundred Yeah, SoI was thinking under because initially I got
to I got to at least seventhat I felt really comfortable going, Yes,
they are going to win that.And then there's a there's a few
like adapted screenplay that I'm just notsure. So yeah, I would,

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I would probably go under. Butthere is a part of me again that
the academy. I know all theprecursors are there, but the Academy is
just going to absolutely fall in lovewith this movie. This is everything everything
I don't want to do, everything, everywhere, all everything, all was
everything you look for in an Oscarmovie that would be considered either Oscar bait
or what oscars are looking for.Oppenheimer has absolutely all of it. And

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I think there was a chance thatthey could, but I think for the
most part, yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't feel comfortable because I just
I see seven that I really likein the other So I think it's I
think the number is I think ateight is the number. So you'd probably
go under eight and a half.Yeah, we got We actually got Anatomy
of a Fall at plus two seventyfive and Oppenheimer at plus one hundred in

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the screenplay, categories, So youknow, if you want to ride with
Oppenheimer and adapted for plus value,I mean, that's really the only category
I see where you can get valuefor it at this point. So you
know, I don't mind taking ashot on it. It is the best
movie of the year, and I'mpretty sure the screenplay has gone to the
best movie of the year the lasttwo years. I know everything everywhere once
I want a screenplay yep, Soyou know I don't. I don't hate

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that. I think your your sevenlocks are best score. It's going to
clean up best score easily, BestPicture, Director, Actor, supporting Actor,
Film, editing, and cinematography.I think those are locks. I
would say best sound, but Isaw the Zone of Interest and it going
from plus six fifty to plus onefifty, and the sound is so key
to the story. It doesn't workwithout the sound, and so I think

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it's fair to consider that questionable.And then adapted screenplay. Obviously you guys
touched on too, So I thinkeither way you look at it, it's
under eight and a half. Yeah, looks that way to me. I
do want to go to the otherbest original screenplay because Anatomy of Fall started
to have this rise, and Iwas so mad because it happened at the
Golden Globes, where I think themomentum for Anatomy of a Fall started.

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I was like, Past Lives isthe one that's going to actually a bold
prediction. They're gonna win a fewawards. Past Lives is like this under
not underrated, but I think it'sgoing to win more than you think.
And it flipped on. The Anatomyof a Fall ended up taking that spot.
It's had a lot of momentum,and the other one was The Holdovers.
To me, those are the twothat can be sneaky here because they're

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both really good origional screenplays, andI think they're pretty close. I know
Anatomy of a Fall ends up beinga bigger favorite, but they've been pretty
close with original screenplay. And everybodythat's been talking about at least one long
shot and one value are Paul Giamattiand Sandra Hueler. Do these two movies
have any legs for some of thisin some of the other big categories,
especially when it comes to Best Actoror Best Actress. These are the two

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I feel like that could be sneaky. Are there any other ones? Movies?
That you feel kind of sneaky aboutbecause it doesn't feel like there are
and there are many this year,those are the only two. What identify
is if it happens, those wouldbe it. Yeah, I don't.
I don't think Giamatti is gonna getthe NOD over three hours of Murphy playing
a guy's life for a disgruntled teacher. You know, I don't want to
sound like that guy. I thinkGiamatti is fine with the nomination, but

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to actually lift the award over Murphyand quite frankly, even the other nominees,
you know, you know, Iloved Domingo and Rustin, I loved
Cooper and Maestro, so like Giamatidid a good job, you know,
don't get me wrong. I'm justnot sure the character is as complex or
you know, was on screen asmuch, you know, as Murphy.

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And I think Murphy is just ashoe and to win that award and then
I like cooler, like I likeher Anatomy of a Fall, but it's
a two horse race for Best Actressesbetween Stone. Yeah, I agree,
And I think that's what I mean, that's really what we're doing, Like
we basically whittle all these things downto if we can get it to a
two horse race, that's fantastic.Like Best Actress category is kind of what

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we want at least going into intothe night where there's a little bit of
uncertainty. But yeah, I don'tthink Paul Giamatti is gonna lift it over
Celia Murphy because I think he would. He needed to win the SAG and
he didn't. And I think it'sKillian's night for sure. So there's not
gonna be many surprises. I don'tthink maybe we could get come in the
secondary categories. There could be somesurprises, but it seems like Oppenheimer is

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going to basically run the table forthe top categories and the only one really
is Best Actress. This is flipped. Lily Gladstone got some late I think
wins in award season and flip theodds and now Emma Stone, who was
the favorite, ends up being plusone twenty five. I saw Lily Gladstone
at the start of February she wasI think plus one twenty So this is

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flipped. Has this flipped for you? Do the odds make a difference for
you? Guys in this? Howare we looking? Because this is one
of the more interesting two horse races. Would think Brian's looking good at Gladstone.
I hedged them Stone and Gladstone earlyin the year because that was the
smart play. But I think,Brian, you didn't hedge them, did
you, Brian? I will.I'm gonna get emastone here at plus one

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sixty five. I had Lily Gladstoneat plus three hundred, so I felt
really good. I know that's nota big number, but for these it
kind of is. But I gotLily Gladstone pretty early, like before Kills
the Flarerman came out, and thenonce it popped man, I started seeing
stuff go back and forth, andI knew that sag Night was going to
be a huge deal. Like thatwas the only award that I was really
like on pins and needles, andthen hearing Lily Gladstone, it was it

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was almost like I won the award. And the thing is, you don't
want any money. You don't wantany money for winning the NFC Championship game,
but you have to get to thebig game. And we got a
shot. So now she's at minustwo fifty and emas Stone's at plus one
sixty five. I would feel reallygood about headging on Emma Stone. She
has the whole storyline of her gettingher fourth nominations to be her second Oscar

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if she can win, If LilyGladstone wins, she's gonna be the first
Native a Native American to win inthe Best Actress category, So she has
that sort of storyline as well.And a lot of these things are storylines.
And I don't know I'm gonna ridewith Lily Gladstone to on Sunday nice.
I do like that. Yeah,emmastone, I think should have want.
I thought that was that was almostguarantee for me because she was such

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a a more of a focal pointof that story. She was that story,
and Lily Gladstone has a big part, but it was it was still
from the perspective of Leonardo DiCaprio's character, and Lily Gladstone just had this big
part in it. So I mighthave put it over for Emma. But
John, did you see A thousandand one? By a chance? You
know? I did see A thousandand one? I think I did see
that with Tianna Taylor. Yeah,I did see that. Yep, I

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saw her. I like Tanna Taylorthis year, but she didn't get nominated
it's okay. She was very good. I didn't like the movie itself.
I thought the narrative kind of collapsedon itself by the end. It had
some weird twists that I thought didn'twork. But Tianna Taylor was very good.
She was She was a big partof that movie and a very good
part of that movie. The onethe only part I really liked. I
think. One one other category thatI was kind of surprised that it took

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the favorite was visual effects. GodDyla minus one is like this Underdog story.
It came out, everybody went,holy bleep, a Godzilla movie that's
really good. Had a lot ofyou know, had a lot of human
elements in it, just this greathuman grounded story with this big monster just
at the at the top of it. So it was great and I didn't

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think though that it would end upnot this underdog story now becoming the favorite
over the Creator, which felt likesuch a slam dunk. It was a
terrible movie though. It was sucha slam dunk. Win visual effects because
of some of the achievements that Ithink that they made during that just fell
apart. Though, is god Dylaminus one should that be the favorite?
Are we looking at that as thatis now the favorite and should be for

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can I can I put my chestBrian? Yeah. When it opened at
plus one twenty on January twenty fourthfor Best Visual Effects, I said,
take it, hop on it asquickly as you can. So I've seen
maybe one Godzilla movie before this movie, and I was kind of irritated that
Oppenheimer did not get shortlisted for BestVisual Effects and Godzilla did, and it

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irritated me because I thought Oppenheimer hadgreat visual effects. And it also irritated
me because it meant I had togo see a Godzilla movie in a theater.
So when I went into the theaterand I saw the movie, I
came out of the theater. Iwanted to stand up and clap at the
end of it. I didn't,but I wanted to. And I will
honestly say, it's probably outside ofyour Oppenheimer and you know, some of
your Best Picture nominees. It's oneof the best movies you have to experience

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in a movie theater, for sure. So I think it's justified now as
the favorite. We got it atplus one twenty and so yeah, we'll
hopefully hit on that on Sunday Guy. I also jumped on it at plus
one twenty as well, feeling thesame way that I think Oppenheimer was snubbed,
using the word snubbed. But itshould have been in the visual effects

(25:56):
category, making it what fourteen nominationswhich ties the record, which you know
it'll have to deal with thirteen,I guess. But I jumped on Gonzilla
minus one at plus one twenty andthen it started winning all the visual effects
guilds and now it's at minus twohundred with The Creator at plus one thirty.
I do agree the Creator looks reallycool. It felt like something new
and fresh before you know, Junetwo came out and then it just wiped

(26:18):
the floor with every other movie.But I mean, I think the Creator
did fall apart at the end aswell. So I jumped on it.
So I'm really excited to be onthat with Tom. So hopefully that's that's
the one that raises the roof overon Sunday, real quick, John.
The visual effects are usually broken upinto two different things, computer generated and
practical, And for those that don'tknow, I mean computer generates pretty self

(26:38):
explanatory practical as man made, solike fire Wind, water, you know,
things like that and Godzilla MIAs wantto utilize both forms of visual effects
to perfection throughout the movie. SoI think that's you know, if you're
looking at it from like a scientificor you know, you know something on
paper, that's what you would lookat. And so yeah, I think
it's a worthy winner. Anything withthe short films. I checked out any

(27:00):
of the short films, so Iwas gonna just kind of lean on YouTube
for that. I feel like therewould be some value in this just because
it's a category that you know,not everybody's paying attention to the short films.
It's the long ones. It's Oppenheimer'sand Barbies and maestros, but short
films are the one market. Thisis like betting a mid major college basketball
team, like nobody. The market'snot sharp, so you can maybe find

(27:22):
some value, but you also haveto be watching these teams and you have
to know kind of how it's goingto be played out. Any short film
odds that you guys like or anythingwith these two categories. I I did
so much research that I watched twotrailers last night. Oh that's all.
I was good. So I watchedit was for Best Animated short we have

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War is Over inspired by the musicof John and Yoko. I'm assuming that
is the famous John Lennon and YokoOno minus one twenty five and Letters to
a Pig, which is plus oneto ten. I'm like, oh,
that's pretty short, odds, letme go look at that. So I
couldn't watch the whole thing online unfortunately, but I have to say War is
Over probably looked the best and hadthe coolest story, so I was like,
yeah, it probably should be thefavorite, but Letters to the let

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us to a Pig not my thing. It felt very a lot more sort
of Japanese style, so I waslike, oh, this is like an
interesting category, Like I would maybelayel one twenty five because I like it.
I just thought it looked good atleast in the trailer, so kind
of this is sort of like aVincent chase things from The Entourage, where
you're just like, I'm gonna sellyou on this trailer, and that's basically
what happens. So I think Waris over Looked kind of good, but

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other than that, not really.But I don't know if you gave today.
I do have like a tip though, for these for these shorts,
because a few years ago. Imean it was minus two to fifty,
but we did hit Riz and Medsthe Long Goodbye. I think for live
action short, and when you lookat a live action short, you actually
have believe it or not. AWes Anderson movies starringay Cover bash. But

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the problem is that it's minus sevenhundred to win. It's to win.
But the point is, if youcan get into this market early enough,
look for big names in you know, it's kind of like big fish small
pond per se, like Gonzaga andthe WCC. You know, you have
these like big you know, baddiesin these smaller markets that are just dominating.

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And a lot of the voters,you know, they might not even
watch all five shorts. I meanthey should, but they might. They
might just say, oh, BenAtt, Coummerbatch and Wes Anderson is in
that. I'll watch it. Theylike and they say, boom, there's
my vote. So you know,I think that proved a little true with
rizamed minus two fifty a few yearsago. He just ran away with this
market best live action short. Sothat's something I may be looking for,
uh, you know, down theroad for other oscars kind of get into

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that market early look for big names. So John, I don't know how
big you are in me and Tomare really big into this. But original
song, how do you feel aboutoriginal song category? There's no way they
take it away from Billy Outlay.There's a way, actually, you think,
So there's a way. I'm notsaying it's a dunk or is it

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something else? Well, okay,so she just won two years ago,
so that you know they might wantto buffer it a bit. She should
win. But to me, JohnBatisse has a lot of obviously great value.
He's was it plus twenty five hundredand look, Judas Black Messiah won
Best Song at twenty five to onenot too long ago. And we've talked
about how hard it is the forecastbest Song because musicians are voting and it's

(30:26):
very difficult to understand what they thinkis a best song, what the criteria
is. And I think with JoonBatisse, what the song is, what
him and his wife have gone through, and I think the fact that he
is so loved by the peers,which are the voters in the music industry,
I think there's a chance that hemight take it. I'm not saying
he will, but if you havecouch change or house money, and you're

(30:48):
just looking for a long shot becauseall the values gone in this event.
You know, why not write withJean Batisse. He's beloved by his peers,
Billie Eilish just won a few yearsago, and the story, yeah,
and the story behind the song.So I think there's some key things
to look at for a potential upsetfor Best Song. Yeah. I like
that because the best song that's obviouslyI don't think many people watch American Symphony,

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especially compared to something like Barbie,so that that is something right you
can sneak in again something that justhasn't been watched. I just it's gonna
be hard because that that song theyeven played me No and Billie Eilish is
so big and it's a great song. And I just know that probably when
they do the Best Actress, they'regoing to play this song during yet,

(31:33):
like they're going, this is thisis the one, Like this is the
song that that encapsulates everything Barbie wasand everything it was for women, and
it does that, and I thinkit's so powerful that it's gonna be hard
to take away. But I thinkyou do have you have a good point
there and not many people watch AmericanSymphony. It's something that's kind of flying
under the radar. And yes,it's a music movie with John Baptiste writing
the lyrics for it and stuff.So yet Brian called Billie Eilish when the

(31:56):
movie came out, So you did, I did. I was like,
Oh, yeah, that's gonna bethe Best Picture nomination. But then also
like, so I did say that, and I do think it's probably gonna
win at minus seven to fifty.The big sort of like nail in the
coffin for my other pick, whichI'll explain the second was when it won
Best Song for a Motion Picture atthe Grammys, and I was like,
oh, yeah, we're done.We're just done zo. But I do

(32:17):
have a ticket for I'm Just Ken, which will be performed live at the
Oscars. I have it at Ithink plus four plus five hundred something around
there. I think it's plus fourhundred. So hopefully it wins. But
I think this being in the middleof the movie and it's actually this is
a whole thing that kind of comesinto play with you talking about original song,
that you want it to be apart of the film, not just

(32:37):
like at the end credits which honestly, like What Was I Made For was
kind of the tail end of themovie. But anyways, I'm just ken.
I think it's gonna be awesome.And again, Billy Eilish has already
won one. Maybe they want tojust spread the wealth around and give it
to Mark Ronson, who's Lady Gaga'smusic supervisor. And maybe like they just
wanted to get Billy Eilish there tosing because then you know people like Billy

(32:59):
Eilish. But I'm just kN I'mriding with it at plus four hundred,
but I think what was I madeFor will win? Nice. Yeah,
I'm with what I Was made for? Again. See, I'm thinking that
they do it at the Oscars becausethe end of Barbie is the montage of
all these these little girls and playinghis kids and growing up, and it
was just there was the whole moviein one song, and I thought it
was absolutely phenomenal. But a coupleof good ones there. The last one

(33:21):
specific category I want to go throughand then we'll kind of go just into
what you guys do have for somebets actor in a supporting role, and
then we talked about it a littlebit, but does Robert Downey Jr.
Is this locked up? Is thisis locked up? As I know,
Devine Joy Randolph, that one's over, that one's completely done. But for
Best Supporting Actor and Best Supporting Roleis Robert Downey Junior. Kind of also

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a lot for you guys. Yeah, And I think I think justice is
being served for Best Supporting Actress forme and Brian at least, I mean
last year, I mean, StephanieHugh should have won Best Supporting Actors.
I'll just go ahead and say it. And when we when we reviewed the
Holdovers, we both said, well, there's your winner for Best Supporting Actresses,
Divine Joy Randolf. She opened atplus six hundred I'm sorry, plus

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one sixty six hundred, plus onesixty. But she was an underdog to
Daniel Brooks for the color purple.And now you see the odds for Divine
Joy Randolf. So I don't know. I think for Brian and I this
is like served justice in this BestSupporting Actress market this year. For Supporting
Actor, Yeah, it's it's over. It's down. H yeah, yeah,
yeah, down, he's got it. I mean I thought Mark Ruffalo

(34:29):
was gonna put up a little bitmore of a fight just because Yeah,
like he's kind of, you know, he's a quintessential supporting role in that
character, and he does push BellaBaxter to like different stages of her sort
of adulthood. But it just seemslike everybody was just charmed by Robert Downey
Jr. Ryan Gossling felt kind oflike uninterested in like doing any like promotions

(34:50):
for Barbie. He's always seems likehe's kind of putting it off, which
I think voters don't like. SoI think people are throwing his name in
there. I don't think he hasany shot. It's Robert Downey Jr.
Yeah, and de Niro did reallywell, so I'm glad he got nominated
over Charles Milton. And then alsoI will say just a shout out to
Glenn Howardson for BlackBerry because I thoughtthat was Yeah, he was he was

(35:12):
very good guy. I wasn't asin love with that movie as everyone else.
I did really like it, andGlenn Howardton and J. J.
Buchell were too awesome. Kind ofdifferent performances for them and they absolutely shit,
So I loved it. I wishSterling K. Brown was getting a
little bit more love because I thoughthe was a part of American fiction.
Lejitimately good but yeah good and everythinghe does he really is. It was

(35:37):
five minutes of Black Panther. Hestole the scene. He's so good.
So what I'll just get into thebets, then we'll wrap up sort of
the oscars, and then I dowant to talk about some movies for next
year, and also a movie thatcame out very recently that we all watched
that I want to talk about withyou guys. But just final bets,
what you do have and what betsmaybe some people can make right now that

(35:59):
are on the board. Mostly withyour bets. Well, okay, I
mean there's not a lot you canmake now. Again, I think adapted
screenplay, Oppenheimer's perfectly fine, bestsounds, Zone of Interest is fine,
it never went away, best songis fine. But again these are all
you know, these are unlikely tohit. Just keep that in mind.
So, I mean, honestly,if you're looking at the only value I

(36:19):
think that's worth definitely hitting right nowis Godzilla minus one for best visual effects.
But again, you know, wesay this all the time, this
is a market. You have tobet early. You can't wait until you
know the weekend of the oscars.You have to bet as early as possible.
You know, Brian and I werelaying down bets in August, that's
how early we start. And wegot Oppenheimer. He probably got a better
price, but I got that plusone fifty, Murphy Best Actor minus one

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twenty five, Downey Junior minus onetwenty five, Devine Joy Randolph plus one
sixty. So you really have toattack this market early. But if you're
looking at something right now, gowith some of the value plays. We've
gone over already. Otherwise, GodzillaMIAs one is probably your cheapest favorite likely
to win. Yeah, I'm similarto Tom like you got in Oppenheimer actually

(37:04):
kind of late, to be honest, where we got it at like plus
one twenty five when I should havegot it at like plus four hundred or
something of that nature. But whatcan you do. You get lost in
the sauce a little bit when you'regetting ready for stuff. But my big
one is Lily Gladstone at plus threehundred. I also hedge, and I
have I'll hedge and get m aStone at like plus one fifty one sixty
five something of that nature. ButLily Gladstone, I'm also like looking off

(37:24):
my phone. Here anatomy of theFall at plus one seventy five. That's
the one that I have. Stillthink that's a still that's an interesting bet
if you go with Oppenheimer at thispoint, if you want to go for
some you know, plus value.I think Oppenheimer might have a shot and
adapted, but again we'll see howit goes. And then other little things
that I have Godzilla minus one plusone twenty. And then also I did

(37:46):
sprinkle Poor Things for Best Costume Design, which I'm really excited to see where
that one goes. We didn't reallyhit like production design, hairstyling or costume
design, but costume design poor Things. Right now plus one hundred, Barbie's
at minus one fifty. Barbie hasalmost zero momentum going into the Oscars.
Really, I forgot to ask youguys about that, because I saw a

(38:07):
number of three and a half oscarsfor Barbie. It's really got it's got
nothing. Yeah, it's under that. Yeah, because really the only thing
that I think it might win isbest Song is a shoe win. So
that's one. And then you havethese production design and costume design categories where
Barbie is a very slight favorite minusone fifty. That is not a lot

(38:27):
of space between you and the nextperson. It just feels like Poor Things
is kind of like, you know, the New England Patriots versus Falcons super
Bowl, like it's coming, youknow, and it's going to take over
at some point. I'm a Falconfan, so I can say that production
design Poor Things is now minus twohundred. Even last week you could still
get it at plus one ten,so that overtook Barbie. And the one
other sort of interesting one that Ihave is for makeup and hairstyling for Poor

(38:52):
Things over Maestro. I think thisis going to be a close race.
Maestro is minus one seventy five.A lot of people are saying that that's
gonna win, but you never know. Sometimes you get the momentum, and
a lot of people didn't really likeenjoy Maestro. In terms of who's voting
for this, are some people didI've been reading a lot of those,
like like anonymous ballots. But poorThings at plus one twenty five may not

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be a bad stretch for uh,makeup and hairstyling, So poor Things and
all the design categories is what I'msaying. I don't know if this happened
by accident or not. I wasirritated by the because there's so many good
movies this year, but these samefive movies are nominated in both production and
costume design, and that that justbugs me a little bit because there are
too many movies. Yeah, toomany good movies for that to happen.

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So, yeah, that's interesting.Yeah, I didn't think about that.
Wow. So I do want tomove forward into potentially next year's Oscars because
we got to look ahead to this. Now we're still a few months away
from really looking at any odds,but we had one movie that is probably
going to be a big name goinginto it, Dune Part two. Tom.
I know you do this with yourWhen you see a movie, you
end up writing about it. Sowhat prospects does this have for next year's

(39:58):
Oscars? What categories do? Howmuch time do we have? Honestly,
I mean so first, right offthe bat, I'll say it was better
than the first one, and Ithink it has a better chance to win
Best Picture than the first one.Now, the first one was nominated for
Best Picture, it didn't win,and it's because it was very confusing.
If you didn't read the books,you have no idea, what's going on?

(40:19):
You're trying to look up words becauseyou don't know what they mean while
the movie's going on. By thetime the second one comes around, I
think they understood that, and Ithink they dialed it back and they gave
it a much more flowing and familiarnarrative that a lot of people could.
I'll sit there and say, youdon't even need to see the first one
to enjoy and follow the second one. You could just go into the second
one blind. So quite frankly,I think it's going to clean up a

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lot. It should clean up itdid in the first movie. Best sound,
best visual effects, a lot ofsecondary stuff. It's very rare we
get this heavyweight of a film thisearly in the year, and I love
that we get it because we nowhave a measuring stick for the rest of
the year with a movie to compareit to. So we're very fortunate.
Last year, the first movie wehad a forecast was ant Man Lost Quantumnia.

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So this is a giant leap abovethat. Yes it is. Your
thoughts are not so. I actuallyI after watching the movie, I watched
them all Thursday preview. I wasso inspired that I could not watch anything
else on TV, because it justfelt everything was not even up to the
class of what I just watched.And then I wrote ro ro Road wrote
on my laptop and I pumped outa quick like first thoughts for DraftKings Network.

(41:27):
You can go read it if youwant. But I did list out
some of the possible categories for nextyear's Oscars. I think I was a
little bit too like, you know, high on it right when it happened
fourteen I give it fourteen nomination fow. Yeah, so I did kind of
tone it down after thinking about alittle bit that best score. Hans Zimmer

(41:49):
won best Score for the first one, and they tend not to like to
reward score for a sequel because you'reusing a lot of the same themes from
the first one. So maybe theywon't get nominated for Scoore, but got
it for all the other ones,all the Big Five, Best Picture,
Best Director, Best Actor for TimothyShalomey. I think Timoley Shallomey was great
in the film. I think thatButler was phenomenal as well. He was

(42:10):
so good. And I thought TimothyShallomey, I was like, yeah,
like I know he's a star,but then him doing being able to do
Willy Wonka and then open a moviethat everybody thought they were gonna hate,
and then comes in and does anddoes you know the timmy thing and does
doing part two in the second halfof that film where he becomes the leader
where you just want to run througha brick wall and the guy's like one

(42:30):
hundred and fifteen pounds soaking wet.I'm behind this guy. This is this
is our Leo, this is themovie's Wonka because I thought that, I
said, this guy just played Wonka. Now he's playing this like this guy's
he's an underrated he might be oneof the best actors. He was great.
He's already been really fantastic movies beforethis, but now he's getting the
larger scale but still a movie likeDune. You get the large scale but

(42:52):
still room to be an actor thatat the Oscars love so yeah, I
do love it the best. ButI saw it in Imax last night,
and when he is going out tothe edge and it's got all the U
the entire army underneath him. Itjust that that shot behind him was that.
That's yeah, Dennis Villen, He'sgonna he's really gonna be tough.
To beat I think for best directYeah, he's yeah, he's gonna be

(43:15):
tough. That was phenomenal. Imean that was that was some of the
best work I've seen in a longtime. Yeah. I just couldn't get
over the scale of the production.And I've also watched a bunch of behind
the scenes stuff. I'm like,how can you do this? Like it's
just what's real? What's fake?Which is a great question to ask if
you're watching a movie this big.I'm like, how is like that a
real dune or is that like youknow, CG. Yeah, is that

(43:36):
a real set? Exactly? It'slike, how did they get how did
they get off? Is the greatestquestion ever asked about this match. I
think it'll open you know, heprobably somewhere in three digits at plus value.
I mean, you're not gonna seeanything open at myas Valley for Best
Picture. That's just crazy. So, you know, I I think it's
worth taking a flyer on as soonas Best Picture odds come out for twenty
twenty five. Yeah, and andjust to like sort of use this as

(43:57):
like a measuring stick, I justrewatched Titanic because you know, why not
that came out in February, Sothat movie came out in February of that
whatever year it was good, Ithink ninety seven, and it won the
ninety eight Oscars. So it ispossible for a movie to come out this
early and just be dominant. Andthat movie, I believe owns the ties
the record for a number of awards, which is eleven. So it's very

(44:20):
possible that this movie is just anotherjuggernaut. And I just have to say,
Christopher Nolan, lucky that Dune Parttwo did not come out last year.
Oh okay, I like that littlelittle shots fired a Christopher Nolan there.
Dennis Dennis is right behind you,big guy. So I some other
movies that we can anticipate, SoI think one of the big Oscar ships

(44:42):
for next year, just looking atpotential prospects bomb June Ho'es movie Mickey seventeen.
I think it got delayed into nextyear, so it doesn't that might
be close of whether or not itis qualified for next year's Oscars or comes
out in time for that one.Are there any other movies you're anticipating?
Gladiator two is a big one.We do have an a Winehouse biopic coming
out, so we know the musicbiopicks are big any anticipating movies that you're

(45:06):
looking ahead. I mean, wegot way too many sequels. It's a
record number of sequels I believe thatcome out this year. So I mean,
I think the Bike Riders got pushedback, if I'm not mistaken Butler
and Tom Hardy and that might beone you want to watch. It's gonna
be this year and then so itwas a pushback from last year to this
year, and I am jacked forthat one. We'll go ahead, and
Shirley that's for Gina King, right, I'm not sure Shirley is another one

(45:29):
with Netflix coming out, so youknow there's a few. But look Kung
Fu Panda four of Animated Market that'sprobably the next one up on my list.
But I'm I'm most jacked up aboutBike Riders, Like I was excited
for it last year to come out. But Bike Riders looks so good.
It has all the pedigree to whereI think it's it's not going to contend
and say like the best maybe notbest director, maybe not best you know,

(45:52):
like below the line stuff. Butthey have so many good acting performances
in it, like Austin Butler andTom hardy. I think that's I think
it's gonna be one of those caseswhere Timothy Shallamy has to go up against
Austin Butler and best actor, whichwould be very interesting. What's working for
Bike Riders is Austin Butler's dry justkeeps happening. Obviously, for Elvis that
was that was big for him.I didn't really like Elvis all that much,

(46:14):
but he was phenomenal in it.And then he goes something like Dune
right after and is this completely otherpart. I think everybody is just infatuated
by Austin Butler. It's kind oflike we're getting movie stars again, Like
big movie stars happening. It reallyfeels like it, doesn't it, Yes,
it does. Yeah, yeah,I wrote about that in the article.
I was like, it's the returnof the movie stars like we didn't

(46:35):
have, Like I think we missedout in the twenty tens with all the
superhero movies where you have, youknow, all the superheroes. But now
you get guys who can actually act, and you get this catalyst of a
film that's Dune Part two with allthe actors all in kind of the same
age range that this is the future, this is the future of movie stars.
This is your new Leo's, thisis your new Brad Pitts, this

(46:55):
is your new Julia Roberts. Theseare the ones that are gonna take us
to the next level. And Idon't want to mention to Paul Mascal.
He's getting momentum too. He's gonnabe in Gladiators too. That's another one
I would probably be. Yeah,I liked him. And what was that
that movie where he neglects his daughteron vacation where he nominated that was a
great movie, And uh yeah,I will say that. I think like

(47:20):
if you were giving a Calder Trophy, like a Rookie of the Year to
anyone, I think it would beShamlay. I mean, he's just he's
on the rise. I would liketo see maybe implement an award like who
had the best year? So like, you know, you know, like
Coleman Domingo, you know, colorpurple and rusting, like you know,
he just he deserves some sort ofpraise for killing it in two different movies

(47:43):
and two different performances. So thatwould be nice if maybe they expanded.
And one last movie I do wantto ask about two. Joker Part two
is coming out. I feel likewhen it first came out it was big.
After that it kind of got mixed. Everybody kind of mixed feelings on
it. It's it's not one thatseems like it's age that well, I
guess, or at least as timegone on, everybody loved it as much

(48:04):
as they did when it opened.What are your guys thoughts as we're getting
into because it's too great actors,actors. I don't know why I said
it like that, watching Phoenix andLady Gaga, so they're big actors and
actresses in this movie that was bigwhen it first came out a few years
ago or however long it came out. But it just feels like Joker is
kind of in a weird place nowwith people. I don't know how you
guys feel about that. Anticipating itfor this year, yeah, I think.

(48:27):
I mean the whole it has somany interesting factors that go into it
that obviously it's a sequel for theJoker. People enjoyed that whole. People
love the Joker character, for one, so people are going to show up.
People also love Lady Gaga. Theysaw in Stars Born, which was
great, but then they saw inyou know her other Italian movies, which
she wasn't that great in. Butit's interesting to see how she's gonna tackle

(48:49):
I think it's is it Carly Quinnis the character that she's gonna be playing,
I forget what the main character.But it's also gonna be a musical,
which is gonna be so weird.So I think that is an interesting
aspect of this field. Yeah,I don't know if that'll help it,
because you have to if a sequelis going to be like on the same
level as the first one, it'sgot to be as good or better.

(49:12):
And you know, doing Part twoobviously was better. I'm not sure this
one will be better than the firstone. I mean, we'll see,
you know, we have to reviewit and see actually what it brings to
the table. But it's tough forsequels to do that. And I think
also, you know, the factthat it is a musical it might throw
people the wrong way. So we'llsee. But I'm not I'm going to
leave my expectations. Do I thinkof it like Avatar too, you know,

(49:35):
like it could you know, andit might turn some heads and it
might get a nomination or two,but it probably won't deliver the way the
first one did like it might getthe Best Song nomination since it's a musical,
but it won't get Best Picture orActor act or something like the Return
of the movie Musicals. Wanka cameout early this year, right, there
was a bit of a musical wegot was a sub You think so well,

(49:55):
if Lololand couldn't win against Moonlight,I think music have no future because
I heard you earlier. I heardyour I heard you earlier on your radio
show that Moonlight turned you on tomovies. And I have to say,
one of the most disappointing moments ofmy oscar watching career was watching La La
Land lose to Moonlight. And Ihave refused to watch Moonlight ever since.

(50:16):
But maybe it's time for a rewatchto so but no, it's all good,
but I wanted to touch that.It's just so funny how there are
musicals coming out because we had MeanGirls, Wicked's gonna come out, and
Joker, and yet studio executives arelike, yeah, we don't really like
musicals. So I love musicals,me musicals, all that, musicals,
But studio execs are like, don'tsay that word, don't say musical.

(50:37):
That's so true. They don't advertiseit. It's like they had they had
Wicked for the Super Bowl. Theyhad the you know, the commercial zero
singing. It's like barely any ofthe songs in it. Unless you're Spielberg
doing West Side Story remake, thensure, yeah, well Steven Spielberg.
So that was an awesome adaptation ofthat. It was very good. All

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right. I can talk movies waytoo long with you guys, so I'm
gonna end it here. Thank youso much again. Tom. Where can
everybody find you and all your stuff? Discord TikTok Twitter, it's the same
handle name at Underscore TJKC Underscore andBrian and you guys can find me Brian
Ortega LV. That's my Twitter,and then you can find any of my
writings on DraftKings Network as well asVisin dot Com during Oscar season, but

(51:22):
for the rest of the year DraftKingsNetwork for movie reviews. I love this.
This is gonna happen again. Idon't know if it's gonna happen sometime
sooner in August or whenever odds comeout. I don't know. This is
fantastic. I can't wait for theOscars. It's gonna be a great time.
That is it for the Line Changeagain. You can follow us at
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