UH Beats Texas Tech 69-65, Texans Back to Practice for Monday's Kick Off, Tyler Dunne Joins 790!

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is the morning Drive with Dad and Cole.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yeah, you of aged basketball went in last night sixty
nine sixty five over fourteenth ranked Texas Tech. So the
Kuks now two and oh in Big Twelve Conference play,
fourteen and one over all. Rockets back on the fur
tonight they're in Portland taking on the Blazers eight o'clock.
Rockets launch pad for that and the Texans gonna get

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back on the practice field getting ready for playoff game
number one of hopefully at least four this playoff season.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
And Cole, by the way, welcome back, Mio. Nice to
have you back. I'm not answering you until you call
it the right day. Now, then you can stay.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
You can stay silent for the next three hours and
silent the next three hours.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
I mean, you just debunked that. But that's okay.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Now you come from Jersia.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
I will for sure. I've done it the other day.
It's all good. I can ride solo. I got triple
ly here. You know, tripleli will will step in when
needed and everything else. I mean, do you know me,
by the way, do you do you know that I'm
somebody that can be able to fill a conversation all
by myself. I mean, it's it's something that at times

(01:18):
I'm not very proud of, but at least for this case,
it's very useful.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
So I've got that going for me.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
But anyway, so I'm not gonna give in to the terrorist demands.
So I mean, somebody's gonna budge person. It ain't gonna
be me. So a process of elimination here. But the
Texans now getting ready for the Steelers, and a little
bit of a concern is where we start this morning
because Jonathan and Alexander sharing this on Houston Chronicle dot

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com about deep balls that have been connected on the
last couple of weeks. And in the Chargers game, you
had Kamari Labster come out of the game and a
Quentin Johnson and downfield throw completed against Tremont Smith, and
I hope that this doesn't become a Tremont Smith thing, like, Okay,
he's not as good as Kamari Laster. I get it,

(02:09):
I get it, I understand, but also too at the
same time, it just goes to show you the value
of Kamari Laster. So you clearly don't have him last
week against the Colts and you saw what happened with
Alec Pearce at least a couple of other throws downfield.
So then it starts to beg the question, is this

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something defensively for the Texans that could start to do
them in And at least it does seem like you're
going to have Laster back this week, so hopefully that's
not really a concern. I mean, clearly he's not one
hundred percent, but Laster is also one of those guys
we played the audio for you before. Laster is one
of those guys that if he can remotely go, he's

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going to go. I mean, we're talking about a guy
here who in college when they knew that he was
going to come out for the draft, he knew that
he was going to come out for the draft, and
he had already declared all of that kind of stuff.
This was when Georgia did not make the national the
college football playoff that year, so they went and played
against Florida State and the Orange Bowl, and you had

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Kirby Smart telling him, hey, you know, Kamari, don't play.
You don't have to the only thing that can happen
to you is that you can get hurt. You don't
have anything to gain from playing in this game. And
he said, look, I tried to do the whole being
on the sideline, coaching up the guys, doing all of that.
I can't do it. I've got I've got to be
out there. I've got to play. So they of course

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to his wishes and he got out there and played.
So saying all that, you know, just to prove that
he's a guy that he wants to be out there,
he wants to go and I do think that we
will be seeing him out there on the field. And
he's somebody that you know, Cole's talked about that you know,
we've talked about.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Final came, I've talked about him so highly that I
believe he.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Is a top ten cornerback in the NFL, and that
you need we do your research. If you do not
think that he is a top seven cornerback in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Well, and that's the thing is I think that you know,
if there are any Kamari Lassiter, I guess doubters out there,
doubting doubting Lassiter's out there now, but if indeed there is,
I mean you have to also factor in that he's
the target, because you're not going to go after Derek

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Stanley junior. Now we say that instantly did give up
a touchdown to Pierce the other day.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
But yeah, but everyone give up a touchdown to Pierce
this season. It feels like, oh, I mean sure, but
I mean, you know, it's also though too. It's kind
of like, hey, you know, I remembered a few years
ago being in the Cardinals locker room and we were
all huddled around Patrick Peterson. He gave up a big
touchdown to at the time, Julio Jones, and somebody was like,

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you know, oh, man, you know you gave up that
big touchdown. And his line was saw young Award winners
give up home runs too. That's pretty much what it is.
Whenever somebody scores on a guy like like Derek Stein.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Yeah, it happens. I mean, listen, it's not that big
of a deal. It's shouldn't be that big of a deal.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
You were going up against a team that had a
quarterback that you were not preparing for, you hadn't seen
much film on him throughout the entire season, and a
wide receiver that's known for having a vertical presence. I mean,
he averaged twenty one point three yards per catch, during
the regular season. He was a stud when it came
to make it plays downfield. So every once in a
while you're gonna watch if somebody gets the better of you.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
And that is what happened.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
But what makes the Texans such a dangerous team, Dan
is that you got two with them. I mean, you
could throw it as much as you want Kamari Lasser's way.
Eventually he's gonna catch on. He's gonna get the bait,
he's gonna run it back, he's gonna make it pay.
He's gonna be the reason why you're sitting there and
asking why the hell did that make that throw? Like
everyone makes those type of dumb mistakes all the time.
But you gotta throw it his way because if you

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don't throw it his way, you throw it Stingley's way.
And if you throw its Stingley's way ninety nine percent
of the time, it's already bad news. So pick your poison,
and pick your poison. If you're Aaron Rodgers who whether
or not you want to admit it Texans fans and
seven one, three, five, seven nine, if you want to
get it on the phone lines. What's your early thoughts
on this game going into Monday night kickoff at seven
pm on ESPN. Aaron Rodgers is a good track record

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against the Texans. Now he's forty one, and trust me,
there are some limitations when it comes to this offense
for Pittsburgh. But there were limitations when he played against
the with the New York Jets and he still found
a way to score three touchdowns of that game.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Well, I think that also a lot of that too.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
If if we want to make the you know, season
the season comparison here is that. I mean, your defense
was not as good as this one has been this season,
but also too, I mean those were two games where CJ.
Stroud struggled mightily and your offense struggled. And I mean,
you know, just in terms of you know, the offensive
struggles at least last season, that was enough to be

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able to say, hey, Bobby slowk, you're no longer needed.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
And now here's Nick Kayley.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
But I mean it's with this Steelers team and you know,
talked about a lot, you know, the other day with
me and wexh when he was in here. I appreciate
wex for stepping in on Monday along with Ross villar
Reale and Aaron Wilson, So talking with all of those
guys about it, and then yesterday me and Gordy where
this is not a Steelers team that is going to
stretch the field on you.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yeah, I mean, how many deep how many.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Downfield throws did we really see Aaron Rodgers make on
Sunday night against Baltimore? I was gonna say, I mean,
the Calvin Austin touchdown pass was about the only one.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
And I mean that was what for what forty yards?

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Maybe?

Speaker 2 (07:26):
So there you go. I mean, so it wasn't even
that much of a downfield throw. It's just that they
were able to be able to get a nice little
pocket there in coverage where he was wide open and
he's able to walk into the end zone. So a
good play call by Arthur Smith.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
But at the same time, you are getting back DK
metcalf with does change some things. And the Texans in
their last four out of five games have given up
over three into yards through the year.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
I mean, and that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
I mean, friar Mouth is a decent enough, you know,
pass catching tight end, but he's not somebody that you
know is going to be like, who was it for
the Cardinals that that got that day. Yeah, Trey McBride,
I mean, you know even a little bit that you
saw from Brock Bowers and crew with the Raiders. I mean,
this is you know something that you know, at least

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personnel wise, of a group that I don't think necessarily
even concerns you at the least. And then I mean,
that's the thing you get pass Monday nights. I mean,
you've got Denver coming up. Is bo Nicks necessarily provide
that threat for do you have Denver? Or is it
just if everything goes according to plan?

Speaker 4 (08:26):
And it's that is true?

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Right?

Speaker 4 (08:28):
That is true?

Speaker 2 (08:29):
I mean you know so, I guess it does you know,
depend on if the Chargers go into They've got New
England England? Okay, so if the Chargers go into New
England and win, and I guess also to what happens
with Jacksonville and Buffalo, which, by the way, too, A
lot of people doubting Jacksonville for that one.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
A lot of people What do you mean are now
are you saying now they're doubting Jacksonville.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Where have you been for the last month?

Speaker 5 (08:53):
With me?

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, I mean, if you ask both you and Jacksonville
at least from the Jacksonville side. Yeah, everybody doubts them,
you know, because they're they're they're the team that that
never could, at least according to.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
The team that never will. That's the problem, and it's
not and they never could. Is that that's not gonna
happen this year. Josh Allen's gonna go on into EverBank
Stadium and there'll be an early depth on Sunday morning
for a team that people oversold this year.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Well, and it's also I saw this staff.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
I'm so excited for it.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
I think it was against playoff teams this year and
the Jags were five and three and the Texans were
formed four this year against playoff teams. And I had
also mentioned too that with the Jags that I was like,
I think the Texans have been tested, and I think.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Late in the season they had been.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
I mean, because you know, you've also got a Jacksonville
team that you know, they played the Colts twice. Uh,
they had to go to Arizona and use overtime to
beat the Cardinals, and you know, that was a closer
game than I think a lot of people expected for
that one. And I mean at times it was never
scary when the Texans played against the Cardinals, but you know,
you still had to be able to kind of get

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a little bit of late spacing in that when the
win by twenty. But I mean, just of all the
teams that are still out there, I don't necessarily look
at anybody as being a man that can be an issue.
Because the other thing is too, is the Texans have
not been as regular of a pass rush team that

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they had been in previous weeks LA notwithstanding the Chargers game,
they were able to do that. So I mean that's
the thing too, is this is a team that does
not blitzed very much. This is a team that clearly
I think it really comes down to a handful of
guys that you need to have them on the field.
Kamara Laster is one of those people. Isis al Shayer

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is one of those people. This defense is completely different
when you don't have Aziz al Shayer. I mean, I
think even too, Jalen Petrie to a certain point is
one of those guys. And I mentioned him yesterday Cole
of the underneath throws that we're gonna see. To Jalen
Warren and to Kenneth Gain will say you just.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Mentioned his name. That's the one you gotta worry about
kenn of Gainwilm.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
But still, I mean, the two guys that I think
are going to be the most important on defense on
Monday Night for the Texans wear number thirty nine and
number five Henry Toto and also u Jalen Petrie or
both of those guys, because you need downfield tacklers. You
need to be able to limit, you know, run after
the catch, and these are things that you know, those

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guys are really good at being able to do. They're
really good against the run, and they're really good in
some of those underneath throws of being able to limit
them to limited yardage.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Okay, but you just already want to start off with
this whole conversation being about the deep throws down the field.
The Texans don't have to worry about that, even with
DK Metcalf returning. I mean, the number one guy that
you have to be concerned with would be Marquez Valdes
Scandling at this standpoint. And I don't think that he
is going to be a dude that you're looking at
fifteen times a game that he's winning his one on
ones against twenty four or four for a game at twenty,

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So everything is just going to stay in front of you.
You already mentioned it. You got Jalen Petrie and you
got disease. Alsha, you're the safety position on what you
do now. With Kavon Wallas being released, which thank god
Texans finally said, hey, we saw thirty eight play he
dropped the easiest interception of a lifetime. He had a
bad pursuit to give him a touchdown run. Yeah, we
don't need that dude for the playoff run. Like thankfully,

(12:14):
we're good. Best to the lucky in your future endeavors.
Get the hell out of the building and don't let
to hit you on the way out. Whatever they do
at that safety position is gonna be really important because
you don't want to take away reps from what makes
Jalen Petrie such an elite player down low.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
But at the same time, do you feel like.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
They got to move him back because if you don't
have somebody that you feel confident in playing near the
line of scrimmage for I mean playing on the back
end versus someone playing near the line of scrimmage. But still,
this is not a game that you're gonna worry about.
The vertical passing attack. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers. He had two
hundred and ninety four passing yards against the Baltimore Ravens.
He also threw the football nearly fifty times. He's not
gonna throw out fifty times. He's gonna throw it about

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twenty eight to thirty one times in this game. You
gotta be able to not let him dink and dunk.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
You to death.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
To put yourself in a position where you're gonna force
some three and outs, you're gonna get them out of a
field goal range. Not like it matters, because Chris Boswell
can't even make a pat at this point.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
So you gotta feel good in that at that stand level.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
But this is more so going to be on the
incompetence of your offense not showing up in the second
and third quarter to let a team like Pittsburgh hang
around too close for comfort. The thing that I do fear,
and I think it's valid. We talk about veteranship all
the time, we talk about the value of being in
this position. Aaron Rodgers has been in this position on

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so many different occasions, just not with Pittsburgh. And no,
Pittsburgh's not as good as the team as Houston. They're
not nowhere near it. But we know the story about
a veteran quarterback going out in the sunset on a
fourth quarter comeback.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
You keep this thing close.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
All it takes is one big busted play in Pittsburgh's
right back in this game and momentum on their side.
Oh and by the way, I don't know if you
know this, Dan, Mike Tomins freaking elite when it comes
to mindy Night football. He's twenty three and two all time.
So there's a lot of things that you look at
from a Texan stand point, but the numbers, the metrics,
playing on the road for the first time, it's Pittsburgh.
You should win this game. Clearly, you should absolutely beat

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the brakes off of them. Nobody should be worried about
that standpoint. But there are some data points that need
to go back and say, now, this is where we
lost it. This where thing's right against us, This is
where it went south for us in a moment.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Well, I mean, hopefully for next Tuesday's show, we're not
seeing all of those things, because hopefully we're talking about
the Texans getting ready for the next rounds opponent.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
And that is true to what you brought up.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Is the lowest seed would face the Denver Broncos in
the following round. So of course that's depending on what
happens in Jacksonville against Buffalo and also too up in
New England with the LA Chargers. So we'll have an
idea of what's going to happen with those games already
once we get some Monday night.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
So we'll continue the Texans conversation.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
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it's the Morning Drive, Dan and Cole. Cole is back
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Speaker 6 (15:16):
Matthews, Cole Thompson. This is the Morning Drive with Dan
and Cole.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
We also have Ty Dunn from golongtv dot Com joining
us at a thirty. He'll hop on talk a lot
about Monday night and also just the wildcard round as
a whole. seOne three two two five seven ninety is
the way to get in. Colon mentioned it the Demico difference,
the Demico difference. So Demiko is just one of those guys.

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I mean, at least, you know, it's one of those things.
When we get into the hiring season in the NFL,
there's always different coaches and teams that are widely regarded
throughout the league. Like for the longest time, it was, Hey,
go to New England, get whoever out of New England,
and you know you're gonna be able to replicate exactly
what they have. You can't replicate what they have because

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they couldn't even replicate what they had once number twelve
left the building. So it was never the Patriots way.
It was the Tom Brady way. It truly was the
TB twelve method all along, and they fought against it,
and they pushed them away, and he ended up going
to Tampa Bay.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
And then all of a sudden, funny.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Ryming because you're doing a really good job of just
making a way, say, hey, Bay, you know you can
keep going Doctors as I like it.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
No, I mean, it was really unintentional, but it just
absolutely hit right there. So I just kept going with it.
But you know, there was never a Patriots way. I mean,
the Texans were one of numerous teams that found that out.
Some people, some people might even say that, you know
that the Texans are still finding it out, although I
mean no, despite despite his offensive line deficiencies in terms

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of being able to evaluate it and also be able
to find good players across the board at that spot,
Nickosio has done a hell of a job. So the
Texans might be one of those teams that teams are
going to look at and say, yeah, we need to
pluck off what they have.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
So what exactly do they need to pluck off?

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Well, I think that in terms of say the Demico
difference here, let's just take the Atlanta Falcons for example.
I don't know who they're going to hire for their
head coach, but at least one of the decisions that
they've made is bringing back a guy that was very
much a part of their best part of their history,
Matt Ryan and when he was there with Julio Jones,

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with Roddy Whites and with Tony Gonzalez.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
So he got the job. I mean, I think it's
going to happen.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Now there's multiple people interviewing for the job, Dan Well,
but there were also you know, a lot of you know,
different questions about is he's still going to continue to
do his TV work, which at first there was the
report that he would, and then yesterday I think it
was Tom Pelisera that came out and said, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
If Ryan's going to do this, he's going to live
in Atlanta full time and he's going to be fully
invested into this job. So we gotta go full dog
gottlig at this point. Well, I mean, at least you
know now, yeah, that was the problem. Me having you know,
mid takes on my sports radio show was getting in
the way of me coaching here at Wisconsin Green Bay.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Very clear, man, I mean you could see the difference
so far. They've won three games since he decided to
go ahead and step away.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Well there you go. So see that that was the
that was the problem.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Three win differential, and he can't be calling games and
can't be going and running a program either. Tom Brady
needs to learn that. Relying too, well, I mean, that's
it was funny too.

Speaker 7 (18:30):
I was.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
I was listening to Steve gottson Company. It's uh, you know,
John Wiener Stu Gotts from the Levatard show. Yeah, yeah,
does his own show. And somebody was joking about, you
know the fact that Tom Brady is going to be
involved in the head coaching search there with the Las
Vegas Raiders, and they were like, hey, Brady should just
take it over and then you know, still continue to

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call games, be the head coach, but then also be
on a random Minnesota Vikings game with Kevin Burkhardt. I mean,
you know, it seems like it.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Zoom is a fabulous tool.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Dan anything, Fine, Yeah, there you go, you got, you
got you know, like what is split screen there Brady
on the sidelines with the Raiders and then doing all that.
But the point where I'm going with the Matt Ryan
thing is I almost wonder if the Falcons look at
the Texans and the Texans the major reason that Demiko
Ryans was here was because he was here during the

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previous golden era of Texans football, the early twenty tens,
when you finally broke through, when you finally got into
the playoffs, when you actually had reason to believe that
this organization had turned the corner because you had had
so much alienation of your own fan base through Bill
O'Brien and then finally, once he got fired, you had

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a guy who was conditioned to love this city up
at a podium talking about how this organization had pushed
away their fan base, JJ Watt, And I mean he'd
even got to the point where JJ soured on this
organization and want it out, and so he went to Arizona.
I mean, you know, and then you well.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
He also wanted out because they were going through a
complete and total rebuild and he only had two years left.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Sure, so I mean a lot of different things feeding
into that. But then you know, of course the rebuild
David Cully and also Lovey Smith, where you knew exactly
what they were trying to do.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
And then that was.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
When they said, Okay, let's signal to our fans and
to everybody else that we're serious about getting back to winning.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Okay, we're going to take a major swing in the
in the draft.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Even before that, we're going to bring back a fan
favorite and a guy who seemingly is ready for the
chance to be a head coach.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
And that's exactly what they did with me.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
You said that they were bringing back a coach from
a guy who was a player during the Golden era. No,
they didn't. They brought back a guy who knows how
to be a part of a building process to where
you get to the highest level. The Golden era was
consistently making the playoffs and being a divisional round team
from twenty fourteen to twenty twenty. With Bill O'Brien, you

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had to go through an entire rebuild and get a
found date in place and be able to build a
culture and be able to have a rapport and understand
that these are the guys that are the non negotiables.
That was Gary Kubiak, and it culminated and eventually making
the playoffs in twenty eleven and then making a twelve
total twelve one season in twenty twelve, and then Tomiko
Ryans left in twenty twelve to go to Philadelphia. So

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he was here through the time period of we know
that we could be better than what we are, but
it's going to take a while.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
We got only down a new foundation.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
We've been brick by brick layering this to where we
understand what it's going to take to be a team
that can get to the next level. That was what
Tmiko Ryans is part of underneath Gary Kubiak. Because the
Golden the air to me is when you're constantly making
the playoffs, you're constantly viewed as the AFC South favorite,
you're constantly winning games, You're always going to have a
legit number one wide receiver, which you have with Andre,
but you had that more so with DeAndre. In my opinion,

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you were able to always be drafting in the twenties.
That was underneath Bill with with Tamika, what you did
was you got it right. And Demiko was a part
of a culture that got it right. They understood what
was going wrong underneath Don Capers, They understood what was
going wrong underneath Charlie Casherley. They understood that they were
swinging and missing when it came to the free agency

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and when it came to the draft, and when it
came to bringing in premier names in the offseason and
trying to go ahead and cel tickets and merchandising, and
they went about a complete and total three sixty spin
that initiated a more balanced identity for Houston long term.
And so like for Matt Ryan, like yeah, you can
go ahead and say we're gonna bring back the good

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old days, but like what you're doing is you're bringing
the field, good bag. You're bringing nostalgia. You're making it
to feel like, oh, well, we're having somebody who you know,
he won an MVP here, and we always had such
great revenue distribution and you know, we always had Champac stadiums,
and quarterback stability was at an all time peak. But
like the difference is is that Demko also was a
guy who had to put in the work and the
time and the effort as a coach to really be

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able to build an understanding of what it takes to
win from a coach's perspective versus a player's perspective. Bringing
in Matt Ryan is an executive. Yeah, he's gonna make
some decisions here and there, but he hasn't been inside
buildings and meetings in offices where he's having conversations about
what do we do when it comes to signing Kirk
Cousins to a four year deal and then trading on
up to go get a Michael Pennix. They haven't been

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in those conversations of well, what happens if we're on
the clock at pick number four and we need an
offensive lineman. But hell, we got this unicorn of a
player from Florida that does a little bit of everything,
and like that's kind of the difference here, is that, Yeah,
with the Texans, they were at rock bottom.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
They had to get somebody who could build that foundation.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Atlanta went eight and nine, they won for their last
five games. They just underwhelmed at.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
The start of the year, which is as tradition for
the Falcons.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Well, but also though too, I mean, he is going
to be involved in finding the next head coach, and
he is going to be involved in finding the next GM.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
And then also too, I.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Mean you mentioned I'm sure he's probably gonna be involved
in how they handle the Kirk Cousins situation.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
He's gonna be back next year. Well it probably so.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
The research of his contract. He's back next year.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
So I mean, you know exactly. But I mean this
is what teams tried to look for. I mean, and
we're going to talk about it a little bit later on.
And looking at the shield is there's one team where
their GM had to answer about the previous stop as
he was at and he was like, yeah, I got
to take away my bias from there because I think
I knew and he knew where people were going with that.

(24:18):
And if that means hiring this coach, then I would
probably say, yeah, fight your bias on that. But everybody
wants to be able to pluck from something else, and
everybody wants to be able to have that guy replicate
what they have been able to do there and bring
it to their place. And a lot of times too
now it seems like whenever it comes to head coaches.
I mean, I remember somebody asked me about Matt Burke,

(24:39):
and I said, I don't think we're going to get
the real fear of Matt Burke leaving and going somewhere else.
I think that this time next year, the defense continues
to do this, then he'll get some looks.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
That's fine, But like, okay, perfect example, and you wrote
this up. Just go back to like the Matt Ryan
and de Minka Ryan's conversation Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell gets
hired by the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Dan Campbell was a part of the losingest team in
franchise history Owen sixteen. The reason why you bring him
in is because of you're sick and tired of beating
being in the mediocrity. He's been able to get you
to that next level. Atlanta hasn't been mediocre. Atlanta's has
been underwhelming in my opinion, they haven't reached rock bottom.
The Lions reached rock bottom when they hired Matt Patricia

(25:22):
and they went about the Patriot way, which was a
really dumb move by the Ford family.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
They kind of went through a little bit of rock
bottom once they traded away Matt Ryan, and you had
to bring in Marcus Mariota and you had to kind
of retool the team that way.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
But you went for what a year and a half,
and then you brought in Kirk kassessment.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
It's going to be the solution.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
I mean to your point. I mean even during those times,
they were like seven and ten, so they weren't like
god all, you had one bet, but they weren't competitive.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
You had one bad year, it got to the number
four overall pick.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
You got a tight end that broke the single season
rookie record for most receiving yards and then proceeded to
be an underwhelming target for the next four years while
you still went seven to ten. And during that time period,
you got an all pro running back that is probably
going to get paid a bucket load this offseason and
well deserved it. You went and you thought that you
landed a franchise quarterback after signing a guy for a

(26:09):
long term, four year deal, and he got two really
good pass rushes in the process. Every single year.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
Seven and ten, seven and ten, the.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Lions and the Texans, they were at the pinnacle of
the down and dirty low. We cannot survive anymore. Why
are we even a franchise. Everyone is thrown on the
paper bags. Everybody is looking at us like we're a joke.
Everybody is looking at us like we are the laughingstock
of the league. We're wanting dumb with coaches. We're going
about it completely different. We're making these stupid signings in

(26:37):
the offseason that think that that's going.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
To be the reason we turned the corner. And so
what did they do?

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Both organizations said, let's go out and get somebody who
has been in this situation before. They understand what it's
going to take to fix this. But they also have
coaching experience. And that's the thing I think is going
to be really dire here. Like somebody mentioned over the weekend,
Philip Rivers being named for a head coaching position, Okay,
really cool to see that. Philip Rivers after five years

(27:02):
was able to come off the counch quite literally and
throw a football for two hundred and sixty yards in
a game. I'm not sitting here and hiring you as
a head coach because of you understand the quarterback position,
earn it in the NFL the way that Dan Campbell did,
the way that Demiko Ryans did, the way that Robert
Salad did, the way.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
That Mike McDaniel did, the way that everybody else did.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Just because of you have some experience of knowing a
position or a good relationship with the team does not
mean that you automatically should jump the gun over other
qualified candidates to be able to come on it because
of the vibes will be good inside the building.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Well, I mean, it's two things that are not easy
to find in the NFL, good head coaches and quarterbacks,
because I mean it seems like those are things that
some teams just almost never even find. But that's a
conversation that we can continue to have. You want to
join in someone three two one two five seven ninety. Again,
it's someone three two one two five seven ninety. The

(27:56):
Texans plays in the playoffs a sign of respect. We'll
discus us, right here. As we continue here in six
o'clock hour on the morning Drive with Dan and Coles
Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 6 (28:07):
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Speaker 3 (28:18):
It's a little bit of a sign of respect for
the Texans.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
I mean, I understand that a you know, massive part
of this is because it's the Steelers, and I don't
know necessarily what the priority is in terms of you know, networks.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Hey, you know, these are the games that we can
offer to you. What do you want? I will take
this one. What do you want?

Speaker 2 (28:36):
All right, We'll take that one, because I mean, you
are going to have all of their network partners involved
this weekend. Fox of course is going to be involved,
Prime Video is going to be involved, CBS, NBC, Peacock,
and then of course ABC and ESPN, which is of
course what the Texans are going to be on. But
at least, you know, for the ones that are not

(28:57):
the major too, CBS and Fox. Prime Video is gonna
get the Bears and Green Bay. I mean, that's gonna
draw good numbers because you've got two good fan bases there,
so you'll be able to grab that the LA market
will be there for the Chargers at New England. Same
deal there New England. Obviously, with their run of success
they have with the Super Bowls, they've still got a

(29:19):
strong following and obviously the LA market with the Chargers
be able to grab that.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
So that's what NBC gets.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
But I mean, at least with the Texans as we've
seen the last couple of seasons, now that there are
Sunday night games, I mean they do get a Thursday
night in there too, and then even a Monday night
or two where they are at least becoming enough of
a national TV draw. And you do have enough attractions

(29:48):
on this team where people want to watch c J. Stroud,
they want to watch Will Anderson Junior, they want to
watch Derek Stingley, they want to watch you know, Nico Collins.
I mean, you know, just this team as a whole
that people are interested enough to be able to put
eyes on it. So I think that that probably does
lead into them getting Monday nights. What's what do you
try to say here that I mean, I think that's

(30:08):
at least the Saturday right out of the.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
Gay saying game. You no longer having the first game
of the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
I think that as they continue to make the playoffs
and they continue to be a team that is competitive
year in year out, that they will find themselves off
of that list.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Do you want the honest answer? Do you want the
logical answer?

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Well, of course, honesty always were the show were the
show of honesty.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
No, it's not a respect for the Texans. It's a
disrespect for the Carolina Panthers. And it's a respect for
the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
No, And that's that's what And that's at least in
the immediate And I agree with the second part there,
because yeah, I mean, as soon as you saw the
Carolina Panthers get in there, then that's when you knew
that they were at that spot. And I'm not naive
to think that if the Texans and Jags were the
first round matchup.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
That would have been the Okay, maybe it wouldn't have
been the Saturday game, but it would have been the
Sunday noon game at least Bairmanham Okay.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
So, but I mean, at least you know, at that
point you could have said, all right, we're off of
being on that that that Saturday plateau that would seem
have been on all these years, let's flip it for
a second. What and even if you look at the
divisional round, for most of the years, they've been the
Saturday right out the.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Gate on that on that one too, No, they've been
the I thought they were the Saturday night game, wolve
was It's so a couple of years ago.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
I'm sure they were the Sunday game. And the year
before that they were Saturday. Ye, the first Saturday. Yeah,
they were the first Saturday. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Was it two years ago that they were? They were
the second Saturday. No, against Baltimore, they were the first Saturday,
say the first Saurday both years.

Speaker 8 (31:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Can I remember immediately leaving Astros fan Fest and listening
to the end of the first half before I headed
over to Toyota Center to do Rockets Launch Pad.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Okay, I thought that they was one, that they were
the second Saturday game. I knew that they were both
Saturday games, but I thought they were a second one. No,
But think about this for a second. What did Tampa
had won the division Tampa's a bigger cell than Carolina.
Does that change the narrative to where maybe if it
was say Jacksonville and Houston, that I still.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Think choice given to Bristol, and of course that's ESPN, Disney,
all of them, that they would have chosen the Steelers
over them. I think that that's that's the one where
they're like, we know that we're going to get a
good number because of Pittsburgh, because it's not only just
people up there in Pennsylvania. You got Steelers fans everywhere.
I'm like, one of my really good buddies who's born
and raised here is a diehard Steeler fan.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
A while and if you grew up a household filled
with Steelers fans, then you just follow where you're fanning.
Like like, that's the thing that like I will argue.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
With people when they say, oh, you can't be a fan.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
If you live in a different city, you can be
a fan. There better be a criteria behind it.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Here's the thing though, too, that a lot of people
and it's actually going to kind of come up a
little bit later because someone was brought up on the
show while you were out that I wanted to bring
back and get your thoughts on. But you have to remember,
with a lot of people who you know are in
not even Gen X whatever that that are boomers. Now
you have to remember that a lot of them grew

(32:58):
up in military households, and somebody brought this to our
attention years ago, that very thing. They were like, I'm
a military brat. So we got the Armed Forces network.
We either got the Cowboys or we got the Steelers.
My entire family were Cowboy fans. I wanted to be
a Steelers fan.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
But like, if you grew up in a household filled
with like Bears and you moved down to Jacksonville, Florida,
because I have a friend that is a huge Bears fan, well.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Then he could be like that kid in the NFL
dot com or the NFL shop commercial that you know
was like a fan of like numerous different teams.

Speaker 8 (33:25):
No, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
You can't do that. That's a cheating liar, and you
don't deserve to have happiness in your life. That's what
I'm saying. You are somebody who if you grew up
in a household that is all one team, but you
don't live near that team, but that was how you
were raised.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
Totally fine with it. I have no issue whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
So like Steelers fans, there wasn't a team in Houston
for over a decade and then you have a team
come on back in in two thousand and two, and
at that standpoint, some people were so burnt by the
Oilers leaving that they decided to go to a different team.
At that level, a lot of Steelers at that level,
a lot the Lions fans for the level. You know,
you talk about Titans fan they still exist in this area.

(34:03):
How many times have we gone to NRG Stadium and
we've seen the place. It feels like an away game
at times for the Texans, even though it's in their backyard.
So I mean like it's it's little things like that
that go such a long way of where a fandom goes.
I don't really care, but you are right, Steelers travel.
It's more of a respect for the Steelers that I

(34:24):
think it is for the Texans. If the Texans were
playing Jacksonville, or the Texans were playing against let's go
with Miami for that instance, or they were playing against
the Browns, they would have been a Saturday game. It's
not because of their respecting Houston. It's the fact that
they're respecting a fan base that they know that they're
gonna get ratings for a Monday night.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
I think a couple of years ago that was definitely
the case. I mean, you know that Browns game. But
I think that probably now with the Texans being in
the playoffs and you know, at least you know, the
league looking at it, and you know the network's looking
at it, being like, you know, all right, well they've
been a playoff team, so I mean, clearly they've got
enough of a following now, not only in their own
area but also to around the country of people who

(35:02):
know who they are, so we can move them on
and we can have them in a different spot.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
I'll push back. I'm gonna just be real.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Until this is a team that constantly is winning Super
Bowls and not at the highest level. When it comes
to television ratings, Pittsburgh brings in more ratings. I think
Baltimore brings in more ratings. They're gonna respect them more.
They are respecting the Texans. They could go three and
fourteen the year before the next season they're in the
playoffs because they know that that is going to travel
and that is going to sell for marketing purposes, they

(35:30):
will go. Houston will always be the Saturday game if
it's against a lacklesser team, an.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
NFL move made that was a surprise to some but
maybe not to others.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
We will discuss right here as we continue.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
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Speaker 1 (35:47):
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Speaker 2 (35:53):
I got a buddy of mine that does TV sports
up there in Baltimore, and we work together in my
previous stop, and he's a Baltimore guy, so kind of
like me getting the chance to come back home, he
had the same opportunity. And I just shot him a
text justice said bad move, and he wrote me.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Back, great move. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
I agree with them.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
And of course you know he has the logic too
of talking about Lamar Jackson and that maybe it's a
little bit of that relationship had just I guess maybe
stalled out and not like that there's like animosity between
the two. I don't think there's anything like that. It's
just maybe now it's kind of to a point where

(36:35):
the Ravens are like, all right, what do we want
to do. We want to win the AFC, we want
to get to the super Bowl, and you hadn't done
that in well over ten years now. I mean, it's
going on almost fifteen years since you won your last
Super Bowl, and since Lamar Jackson's gotten there, they've gotten
to an AFC Championship game, but they haven't had a
ton of playoff success.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
So maybe that's what it was.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
You have a two time MVP as your quarterback. You
constantly are in a to where you feel like you
are a front runner. You have a team that just
two years ago was the number one seed in the AFC.
You haven't won a Super Bowl in twelve years. You
constantly are finding yourself coming up short in the postseason.

(37:15):
And there's one position that's easy to replace, there's another
one that's almost impossible, which is why every three years
you watches the Cleveland Browns and for a while the
Arizona Cardinals, and for a moment the Texans thought they
were gonna be in this pathway. And you throw in
the Chicago Bears, and you throw in Potent, and you
throw in the Minnesota Vikings and the Atlanta Falcons at
this point because of the Michael Pennick Steel. If you

(37:35):
have a franchise quarterback, do what it takes to make
the franchise quarterback happy. It's a lot easier to move
off of John Harbaugh than to move off with the
li La Mar Jackson, and both are gonna end up
winning out of the steal because if the Ravens are
gonna get a fresh rebuild, they're gonna get an uplift,
They're gonna get a facelift.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
They're gonna they're gonna have like they're gonna.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Be the ones that are rebounding. They're gonna find the
nice little ten that's like in their inner twenties, and
they're gonna kick as when it comes to that standpoint.
That's gonna be fantastic, and they're gonna have a great
overall relationship and they're gonna be right back in the
conversation being a playoff team because of who they got
lee in the charge. But John Harbaugh is still a
top twelve coach in the NFL. John Harbaugh still is
one of the more respected men in the industry. If

(38:15):
John Harbaugh wants a job tomorrow, he's gonna get an interview.
Titans are gonna call him, the Cardinals are gonna call him,
the Giants are gonna call him. There's gonna be teams
that are flirting with the idea of firing their coach.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
To bring in John Harbaugh for an interview.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
So just because of after eighteen years, you're saying, well,
we need to change, we need to be able to
make a giant move that's gonna alter or shake up
the pathway. It doesn't mean it's bad. It just means
that it ran its course. Relationships happen this way all
the time, to where you realize, hey, we can still
be friends and we get still be civil when we
see each other out abound and doesn't have to be awkward,

(38:51):
but we're not meant to be doing this anymore. And
it got to a level of just frustration of you're
supposed to be better than what you were. And Harbaugh's
decisions over the last few years on who they drafted
in the first round, the unwillingness to move off of
Daniel Fallele, who's a terrible offensive lineman, making Zach Or
your defense coordinator because if you had a respect for

(39:11):
him as a player when that was your decision, led
to you, guys, nearly being out of the playoff conversation
in the beginning of December, and you were a kick
away from running it back and doing the exact same
thing I actually commend Baltimore for saying that enough is
enough and we need to get some some fresh life
in here.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
All I will say, though, is numerous times in the
history of not only the NFL, but I would say
that this is more of the case. In college, you
go chasing wins thinking that somebody is going to be
that much better.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
It usually does not turn out that way.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
But the difference is is that in college every two
or three years, you're switching your quarterback.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Is Lamar Jackson going anywhere.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
I mean, at least if you ask some people, they
think that he could be traded this off sea.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
He's not going anywhere. He's gonna be in Baltimore and season.
This is a move that's gonna keep them in Baltimore
next season. He signed to a long term extension. He's
gonna get paid whatever Eric Costa wants to offer him.
They're gonna move the mountains for him, They're gonna continue
to build around him. You have the quarterback. In college,
you're rebuilding ross And it's completely different today in college
because of nowadays, you're living in a one roster formation.

(40:21):
A guy that you thought was untouchable is going in
the transfer Portal tomorrow for six million dollars to play
quarterback elsewhere. That's just the case. You can sign on
the dotted line and say, oh.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Yeah, he's back next year. No he's not.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
He's gone in the NFL. On these deals, they're locked in.
And if you told me that you were losing both
Lamar and John Harbough, yeah I would agree with you
one hundred percent keep one of the other. But it
feels like this is the way to guarantee that you're
keeping your quarterback happy. He's still a top five quarterback
in the NFL. You still have the second best running

(40:52):
back in the league on your staff, signed to another
year on the year on his contract. He's coming off
of a sixteen touchdown season. You can get better on
the offensive line. You still have some good defensive pieces.
This is not like a full on rebuild here. It's
just a we're bringing in a fresh face. We're calling
a consultant to come on in and tweak some areas

(41:13):
for me that we're we're gonna be better for it.
Like Baltimore, I'll tell you right now, I'll make a
bold claim right here on just on January seventh, at
six fifty five in the morning. Baltimore will win eleven
games next season and be right back in the playoffs
with whoever is their next head coach.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
That's how good the team is.

Speaker 8 (41:27):
Going to be.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Man, it just depends on who they get too, I
think is a massive part of that, which I mean
they are an organization that is known for making sound decisions.
So we'll see indeed who is going to be the
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Speaker 4 (44:47):
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Speaker 3 (44:50):
It's livingstone. Yeah, that's oh okay. Well I always say
living regardless, but the E at the end it makes
it sound that way. Now, if you're gonna call me
off for what it's supposed to to be living stone
like this, there's an E at the end. Listen. If
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to do the exact same thing.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
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Speaker 2 (45:08):
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came on on you know scene. I was like Johnny
Manziel and they're like, no, it's Johnny Manziel.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
I was like, I e L, How's that not Zeal?

Speaker 3 (45:20):
See I always thought it was Zel, though, like I
thought it is, it is Manziel. No, No, No, what I'm
saying is I always thought that, like the way that
you would pronounce that it would be Zell.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
I feel like the eye is silent.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
I mean I didn't think so, but I mean, you know,
it's like Todd Zeal.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Todd Zeal he was an he was a major league
baseball player. That's a great story. There's about two billions,
but he was the e.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
I what do you have? A six point two e
R A throughout his entire No, he was.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
A position player, played first base exactly, had a pretty
he actually had a pretty decent.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
Couple of years.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
That's below average career when he was in the making
sure people like Johnny Manzel you actually, you know, need
to know what their names are, and Parker Livingston did
make some good plays over at Texas. But it also
brings up the whole question and in the whole point
of you know where people are now, Oh, you can't
go join the rival I think that went out the

(46:12):
window years ago. And I mean I was listening to
somebody as they were talking about this very thing yesterday,
and they brought up the point. They were like, well,
I mean they didn't necessarily stop Johnny Damon years ago,
for all those years with the Red Sox and then deciding, oh,
the Yankees want to offer me a bunch of money. Yeah,
I'll go ahead and go to the other side of
this rivalry.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
I mean that's the thing that as sports continues to,
you know, move on, as the years go on, that
these are things that.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
People just don't care about anymore.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Like it's not one of those and I think that
you will have a handful of people that that will say,
you know, if you go to A and M, hey,
I can never even think about Texas like I eat.
No matter all the money in the world that they
would offer, I could never even possibly go to an
A and M household.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
I mean, I mean, there's there's stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Though, too, person that was a part of your life
that was so influential that they were an AGGI.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
But that the thing I mean. Johnny Manziel is a
good example. He grew up a Longhorn fan, a massive
Longhorn fan. They didn't they didn't kick the tires on him.
A and M did so all of a sudden, it
was all right, hey, I'm Aggie through and thrill.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
No, no, no, no. They offered him. They offered him
to play cornerback. They said, you're gonna be on the
defensive side, and A and M said, yeah, you can
try out for quarterback. We're not guaranteeing you a spot,
but they guaranteed him at least to play the position.
He became an aggie in that standpoint. Here's the bottom line.
We live in a day and age where once again,
roster retention is huge in the world of college football.
And I'll be the first to say this is somebody

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that loves and eats and loves and breed the sport's
sowhat so that I used vacation days to watch Montana
State play Illinois State in the National Championship, which, by
the way, if you've never been to an FCS National Championship,
highly recommend you do. So you live in a day
and keep that in mind. Where every year it is
a new roster. Players are looking for reasons to get

(47:57):
paid and go to the highest bidder. Tax has made
an offer to Parker Livingston. They said, here's what we
think of you as a player. We believe that you
are worth X amount of dollars. He said, I want more.
Texas looked and they said, hmmm, that's nice. Go have
finals for finding that money, because we're also trying to
get the Auburn receiver and other receivers.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
He leaves. He now goes to the rival guys.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Lane Kiffin is going to Ole Miss's biggest rival, despite
the fact that in forty eight hours the Rebels will
be playing for a shot at the national title. Why
is that one money, two resources, three availability. What is
Parker Livingston going to have one more money in Oklahoma,

(48:44):
two resources. He is going to be viewed as a
higher option in the pecking order for this offense, underneath
ben Arbuckle and three value. They view him as a
legit option to be a number one thread where Texas
viewed him as a number three. That's the new norm.
And so if you and it's killing college football, it's

(49:05):
destroying the sanctity of the game. And it's something that
I can't stand because I can tell you right now,
the Auburn kid, Cam Coleman that's getting looked at by Texas,
who I do think is going to sign on the
dodline at Texas, is also getting looked at by Alabama
as somebody who went to one of those schools. It
bothers the crap out of me that you would ever
even have him on board because of he picked the
enemy to begin with. But this is the new normal

(49:27):
college football. They're gonna go to the highest bidder. They're
gonna go to a team that says we want you
because we value who you are as a player. And
they don't care about the colors that are on the front.
They care about the color green, and they care about
how much of it they're gonna get well.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
And that's the thing is, you know, it's the age old.
It's becoming a business. Well, I mean it did that
years ago with all of the conference realignments and you know,
expanding the college football playoff. I mean it's really a
lot of it where people I think are focused now
on the kids. And it's always you know, the easy,

(50:01):
you know answer of oh, this guy's greedy, he wants
more money. It's like, okay, well then how about the
people who are employing him, Like what are they trying
to do? You think they're running a charity and he's
the one that's you know, holding them hostage for this.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
No, that's not the way it is.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
He's trying to enrich himself just as they're trying to
enrich themselves. So it's just for whatever reason, I don't understand,
like why like people take the side of organizations over
players when it comes to that. I think it's slowly
starting to go the other way. Like if a guy
leaves and goes somewhere else and he's a fan favorite
at a place, I think that you also will have

(50:34):
people that say, hey, I get it, Like I get
that you weren't going to get that money here, like
nobody was upset. Let's just take the Astros for example.
Nobody's upset at George Springer for leaving and going somewhere else.
Nobody was upset with Carlos Korea for the same deal,
same deal with Alex Bregman. I mean, nobody was upset
with those guys because they got it. But they weren't
upset because if they were here for six years. And

(50:54):
that's the difference, and that's where regulation for college football
needs to come and play. You have a guy like
Demand Williams, perfect exam and I want to bring this
up later, but I'll give you a preview.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
De mom. Williams signs on the dotted line to begin
the new year, twenty twenty six, is gonna be awesome
for the Washington Huskies.

Speaker 10 (51:07):
Yay.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Three days later, gets out of his contract. He's now
entering the transfer portal. Washington is taking legal action. You
sign on the dotted line saying you want to be
a part of the Huskies, you want to be back
next season.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
There's no rules set in place by.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
The NCAA that says, hey, you can just find a
way to get out of that contract. If someone's wont
to pay for it. And that's the problem is that
you have a guy like Parker Livingston. He's somebody that
you viewed as a guy that will end up being
a big time factor with your offense next year, to
pair alongside with the cam Coleman, to pare, alongside with
whoever you bring in at running back, to pair alongside
with whoever's gonna be your new tight end. And instead,

(51:45):
because of money, he is now going to your rival.
And that's a problem. And it happens in every single
sport because of you think that you know what someone's
gonna be. You don't have that anymore. In the NFL,
Kamario Loster is gonna be here for at least two
more years. Four years of Kamari Laster with the Texans.
Imagine being in a world where he was drafted forty

(52:05):
second overall, killed it last season, great rookie year, and
the Atlanta Falcons go, hey, guys, we royally messed up
and we need a cornerback. We're going to offer him
a brand new contract for seven million dollars. And by
the way, a year from now, he may be able
to go to another team despite us signing a two
year contract because there was a find way to get

(52:25):
on out of it. That's where the frustration kicks on
in because if you think that you know what's going on,
and then you have no recollection of it because that
there's no rules, there's no guidance. You have quite literally
the blind leading the blind in the NCAA and the NIL,
and you got dumb asses who are fake agents giving
bad advice to kids on you just go get paid

(52:45):
for the highest, but bidder, don't stick around. Don't do that.
And that's where the loyalty standpoint comes on in. When
you're with an NFL or professional organization, you're signed to
a contract for multiple years, unless you're traded. In college football,
you can sign a two year contract and get out
of it in six months.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
And you know what does the NFL have that college
football doesn't have. The NFL has collective bargaining. The NFL
has structures and rules in place and contracts all of
those things. And I mean and kind of like you
know the audio we played from Scott Drew, this is
the college basketball side, but he was like, hey, look,
until we have rules on this that are actually enforceable,
I mean, what do you want us to do. I mean,

(53:21):
we're trying to make our team better. Everybody else is
trying to make their team better, So why not Like I'm.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Not supposed to be like I'm not supposed to take
advantages because of you guys can't get yourself together at
the NCAAL. No, And that's exactly it is. It's like, look,
this isn't my problem.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
I mean, you know, it's kind of like from the
coaching side, what Nick Saban said about Lane Kiffin and
the you know, courting from LSU while they were trying
to make a playoff push.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
He was like, this isn't a Lane Kiffin problem. This
is a college football problem. It's a Lane Kiffen problem
with a college football problem. But I mean, but have
the rules in place that this isn't an issue. The
NFL has rules in place you can't and you can't
interview a guy when he's in the middle of coaching
on a wildcard round, right, So like everyone's looking at
like Jason Garrett get an interview for the TATSSY Titans, Like, guys,
there's people currently coaching with Jacksonville and Buffalo and other spots.

(54:08):
They can't talk to you this weekend. They can talk
to you next week. Let's temper the expectations a little
bit before we go freak out.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
All right, Roger, I see here, right there, we're gonna
get you in promise you want to join them. Seven
one three two one two five, seven ninety. We've crunched
on a lot of Texans. Also to this college football
topic we just did. You got some thoughts on that?
Please weigh in on those seven one three two one
two five seven ninety. Let's get back to the Texans though, too,
because when it comes to Nick Kyley, I already have

(54:35):
an idea of how it's going to go, but could
the temptation be there? We will discuss right here as
we keep it moving here. On a Wednesday, it is
the Morning Drive with Dan and Cole Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 6 (54:47):
Good Morning Drive with Dann and Cole on Sports Talk
seven ninety, home of the Strolls, Rockets and Houston's best
sports talk.

Speaker 11 (54:57):
Good morning, Roger, Yet, how are you guys doing so?

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Dude?

Speaker 11 (55:04):
Not too bad? I got too quick thoughts. So about
Monday night football, it's more about an old story franchise
with the gun Slinger. That's gonna be about about to
show violently out the door. It's gonna be showed out
out the door in a very violent fashion. And it's
all for America to see. It's gonna be a big
treat because it's in a way, it's gonna remind the
old it's like us of that old steel curtain. So yeah,

(55:27):
I'd like to see that, and I hope it happens
it works out that way also, And this is real quick.
And you know the only thing if we lose, does
the Texans lose. Believe me, it's gonna be more about
what the Texas didn't do, more than what the Pittsburgh
dealers did. Because even though the media and the and
the and the talking heads are gonna spin in a
different direction like they always do, it's gonna be that

(55:50):
we failed. And that's it.

Speaker 8 (55:51):
That's the only way that.

Speaker 12 (55:53):
We that we lose is because we fail to do
what what we do, you know, And that's it, as
simple as that.

Speaker 7 (55:59):
There's no way we you should lose this game.

Speaker 12 (56:01):
And that's it.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Hey, you two rogers, right, He's one hundred percent right.
I don't want to hear anybody else out here come
out with what what what Pittsburgh did that was so great?
What what what was the fantastic version of this pass rush?
What Aaron Rodgers was able to pull out with vintage
two thy nineteen when he was winning the MVP. No
Texans lose because they lose because they with the problem well.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
And I think a huge part of that too, that
a lot of people could be looking at for the
reason as the offense, because I mean, we've seen it
at times that the offense has not been productive enough
to be able to help out defense, to help out
this team. And Nick Kyley is somebody that has gotten
a lot of the pushback from Texans fans and even
us here too this season for his work. But I've

(56:46):
said it that I think he's back next season.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
No matter what. Next season, we don't need to go
on end because he just twelve and five. You're back.
So that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
I mean, you know, do you possibly get Joe Mixon
back or do you go and get somebody either through
a trade or free agency this offseason to be able
to play running back for you and be able to
show up your running game. Hopefully you get also Brevin
Jordan back to be able to have him part of
this offense and to you know, see what he can
bring to you know, Nick Caylee's scheme and and be

(57:15):
able to see if that's something that is improvement for
you next year offensive line. But as I mentioned, the
temptation is there. It's kind of like you know, the
Louis c. K comedy bit that he does. Yeah, there
you go, of course, but maybe and so of course
you know Nick Keyley will be back, but maybe. I mean,

(57:36):
look at the offensive mines that are out there now.
Kevin Stefanski did really well in Minnesota. It's about to
say Milwaukee, another another Midwest city, but in Minnesota, Cliff
Kingsbury last year, a lot of really good things with Jayden.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Daniels.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
Jaden Daniels quarter back that you know very well.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Go shame like that. That was a layup for me,
that was right on the money. That was a miss
bunny by me. I apologize for that. But I mean,
at least those two names alone that are out there
right now, some teams could be in a situation like
the Texans are, where you haven't really had a ton
of good offense this year. It's been good at times,

(58:19):
it's been downright lousy at others that you would have
some teams that would look at those those names in
particular and say, hmm.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
One name. You said one name, because the other one
is getting hired as a head coach, and that's gonna
be Stean. Sefanski was handed a bad card from the
second that he arrived with Deshaun Watson as his QB one.
And I look back at that press conference and you're
seeing as Jimmy Haslam is excited, Sean Watson is excited,

(58:48):
and Andrew Berry is excited, and here's Kevin Sefanski looking like,
what the hell did I sign up for? What the
guys are we all not seeing the same allegations made
against this guy. Three first round picks, that's what we
gave up for a dude who hasn't played in a
full year. And he still managed to get Joe Flacco

(59:08):
the comeback player of the year, another one thousand yard
receiver receive his season out of Amari Cooper, top ten
defense in eleven to five record. Oh and he was
able to get the most out of quarterback play the
last two years. Bad offensive line play, terrible wide receiver play. Overall,
he is at fault for the offensive execution. I will

(59:31):
not go ahead and defend Kevins PHASEK of that one,
and he deserved to win I think Coach of the
Year the first time around. The second time around, if
you didn't have Joe Flacco, that was to be go
Ryan's award and it probably still belongs to me Go
Ryans for what he was able to accomplish in one year.
But it's a two time Coach of the Year rep
that will have an opportunity to go to an organization,
whether it be the Giants or the Titans, because I

(59:52):
think of those, wud be the only see to hire
him with a young quarterback that he gets to work
with that is going to allow him to have money
to spend to build around the young core. That to
me is a big selling point. So Cliff Kingsbury is
really the only option. Do you feel like that Cliff
Kingsbury is going to be that much more of an
upgrade over Nick Kayley? That is where I'm at when

(01:00:13):
it comes to this conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Well, I mean, obviously, you know, the commanders felt like
that it was enough of a drop off for them
to move off after one year, which I didn't really understand,
and I think Joe Witt was their defensive coordinator and
he also fired, right, So I mean just deciding to
go ahead and blow out both coordinators and it's like, hmm,
Daniel Snyder's not there anymore, but you're still making Daniel
Snyder like moves.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
I guess organizations don't really change that that was a
bad move by them to move off of Cliff Kingsbury.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
I look, the offense took a massive step back this year,
and yes, you can give credit to where the fact
that you didn't have Jayden Daniels for most of the season. Yes,
but you still did have a good offensive line. You
still had terrible execution with Marcus Mariota. You still a
terrible excuse with Josh Johnson.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
But why why is that a Cliff Kingsbury thing?

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Because if it's his, if we're gonna use the same
logic against against Nick Kyley and how bad of a
play caller he's been, then you also have to use
the same logic against Cliff Kingsbury. Okay, but the offense
was actually worse with Washington this year than it was
with Houston.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
But I can cook you a steak, and if I'm
cooking it with you know, two dollars meat as opposed
to a good cut of steak, you're gonna know the difference.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Yeah, but it's not gonna be my belt.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
You can find a way to be able to make
the two dollars steak manageable. You can also ruin a
fifteen thousand dollars steak. It's not about the taste. It's
about just the quality of it all.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
And that because no matter what, you're going to be
able to notice the difference.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
So if I'm sitting here saying that I still have
an all Pro wide receiver and Terry McLaurin, I still
have an office was injured for much of the season.
I have Deebo Samuel, who still is going to be
a quality player that I brought in to be a
better fit for this offense. I went out and I
traded for a Laramie Tonsol to better up my offensive line,
and he became a problem. I still have a run
game that I'm supposed to trust with this guy named

(01:01:56):
Bill krossky merrit because I trade away Brian Robinson and
I can't make it work.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
I'm supposed to sit here and say, oh, well, you
know what, we'll just run.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Back next season to make changes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
And then you know, consider a guy like Brian Dabole
is out there too, He's going to get some looks
from people.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
But like you're sitting here and saying, like you have
to make changes at some point. Okay, well what was
the change. Well, Bobby Slow two years ago was up
for a head coaching job, he decided to come on back.
He gives fire the next season. Then you look at
Cliff Kingsbury. If Kingsbury last year was up for a
head coaching job, hes not fired a year later.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
Just happens that way.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Sometimes the grass is not always greener or waiting it
on out.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
When you get your opportunity, you gotta take it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Because of regression was set in by both The Texans
had multiple superstar players in twenty twenty four. I mean,
they had step On Diggs that was supposed to be
a difference maker. They had Tank Dell, they had Nico Collins.
They had, in my opinion, you know, a pro bow
running back in Joe Mixon. They had an offensive line
that sucked but still wasn't terrible, and they still fired
Bobby Slowick Why because the results on the field.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
That's exactly what happened with Cliff Kingsbury.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
All right, So we were originally supposed to have ty
Dunn coming up at eight thirty, but scheduling got to
move him up an hour, so we're actually gonna do
that next right here, So we'll be talking with him.
If you want to get in on the phone line
seven one three two one two five seven ninety, you
can do that. So Tye Doun Golong td dot com
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Speaker 6 (01:03:21):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Well, let's get into a little bit more football discussion
right now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Tyler Don fromgolongtv dot com is joining us right here
on the Morning Driving ty for startis man.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
Good to hear from you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
It's been a while, but you just spent the past
week and a half talking with Texans players, being inside
the clubhouse, getting a good understanding about what this team's
identy is going into the playoffs. When you look back
at your conversation with the ziz Aushai Yere and with
Kamario Last and Derek Singley, Junior.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
What's the overall takeaway going to this postseason?

Speaker 8 (01:04:02):
Great to hear your voice, man, Thanks so much for
having me on. Cole and the Gang.

Speaker 13 (01:04:06):
Always appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (01:04:08):
Yeah, I think you know what pops to mind if
there's one takeaway, so spending you know, just about a
week down there a game week talking to a Za's
and Kamari Lassiter and Matt Burke, a bunch of these guys.

Speaker 10 (01:04:21):
E J.

Speaker 8 (01:04:21):
Speed was great too. I feel like if you're a
if you're a fan from any era, you can appreciate
the Houston Texans.

Speaker 13 (01:04:28):
You know, I grew up in.

Speaker 8 (01:04:29):
The nineties and seeing Greg Lloyd stare through people's soul
and Bruce Smith, Reggie White just throwing offensive tackles around.

Speaker 13 (01:04:38):
I don't know, like there's there's a purity to the game.

Speaker 8 (01:04:40):
Then my dad growing up sixties seventies, you know, watching
the old Raiders and then you know he got the
Steel Curtain back then. I feel like the game has
changed so much. Every rule, every provision obviously caters towards
the offense. The gambling apps and fantasy football have exploded,
and then here's the Houston Texas who say they're going

(01:05:02):
to punch you in the face. They go out there,
they punch you in the face, and there's really nothing
you can do about it. Right, there's nothing magical, there's
no x's, and those that are going to deceive and deceit,
like Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen knew it was coming
and they couldn't do anything to stop it.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
This is a.

Speaker 8 (01:05:17):
Relentless, old school defense that I think everybody can can appreciate.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
You know, Toy, we talked about a little bit earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
The deep ball last couple of games has been an
issue for the Texans. Now you've also had to banged
up Kamari Lasters. So do you think that there is
a little bit of a deficiency just in terms of
the coverage of that group, or do you think that
that's more of exactly who I mentioned not being on
the field.

Speaker 13 (01:05:41):
Exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:05:41):
You know, you can tell when Lass isn't on the
field and he's been battling it. I mean when we
talked to his foot's in a boot. I mean, this
is a guy that's been in pain, dealing with stuff
all season and able to kind of nurse it during
the week, get out there on game day and ball out.
You know, he grew up on the league in the boom.
I think makes me feel old by the way, like
a lot of these guys grew up watching Richard Sherman

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and Earl.

Speaker 13 (01:06:04):
Thomas and Camps Chancellor.

Speaker 8 (01:06:05):
It's like all these kids that grew up idolizing that
defense are in the NFL now and they're allowed to
play that.

Speaker 13 (01:06:11):
Way in this defense.

Speaker 8 (01:06:13):
So he kind of sounds like Richard Sherman's long lost
nephew when when you talk to this guy, he grew up.
He put on the pads at four years old in
his hitting people. I mean, my son is four. I
can't imagine putting the pads on Sonny and just letting them,
you know, line up for a little Oklahoma drill. But it's, uh,
he was bred different down there in Savannah, Georgia. He's
suplexing guys in high school, just dropping them right on

(01:06:33):
their head. He called his big hit the Camari crack.
He gave it a nickname. Kind of relive that in
the story, and then you know, give to Georgia relayed.
I can't supplex.

Speaker 13 (01:06:42):
People quite as much anymore. But you can see.

Speaker 8 (01:06:45):
Why the Texans love this guy. You know, when he
ran those four sixes.

Speaker 13 (01:06:49):
At his pro day.

Speaker 8 (01:06:50):
It's scared off a lot of scouts. We talked to
him and go long back then, and I think that
you know, he objectively fell on some boards. I mean,
if you're a corner and you're hole in four six
four six at your pro day, you know when the
stop watches seem to seem to be clicked a little faster.

Speaker 13 (01:07:06):
It's just like a perfect environment.

Speaker 8 (01:07:08):
That worried a lot of people around the NFL. But
by then, Debiko, Ryans, Matt Burke, Nick Seio, the entire
front office, they were in love with this guy. I
mean they they value the mentality of a football player,
like do you like it or do you love it?
I mean, are you gonna go out there and play
with passion or is it a nine to five job?

Speaker 10 (01:07:25):
And when the season's over, you're looking forward to vacation.

Speaker 13 (01:07:27):
I'm telling you, like, it's not cliche.

Speaker 8 (01:07:29):
You guys see it too up close. When these seasons
end and you're in that locker room cleanup day, you
can tell who's who's ready to get on with their
lives and you almost can't blame them, and who's genuinely devastated.
The Texans find guys who want to run through that
wall for their coach. I mean, I think Henry he's
at TOTO, he said that he would die on a
field for this coach and the coach would do the same.

(01:07:51):
And I was like, you're kidding, right, like you're Exactary said, no,
I would we all would they find that kind of
player man? So yeah, to answer your question, if he's
got on the field, it's gonna show you definitely need
him opposite Stingley because I mean, people are gonna avoid
Stingley and he's been ready all season long to make
those plays time.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
I mean, you have a story out right now on
go Long TV Outlaws talking about linebacker play and just
this defense in general, and you do a great job
of storytelling and bringing up Aziz Alshaier's background and what
it took him to go from being at Florida Atlantic
to proven that he belonged on the field with Tamiko Ryans.
But when you look in your conversations and you're you know,

(01:08:31):
your research and being able to build a rapport with
what he was able to kind of accomplish, just the
impact of what he has meant to this Texans defense
and how well that transition from year two to year
three with Dimigo Ryans now has this Texans team looking
like their offensive seats against twenty I mean, you give
me twenty points. I'm not saying that that's good, but

(01:08:52):
it's almost enough to feel confident that you're gonna win
the football game.

Speaker 8 (01:08:57):
It's unbelievable what disease has done this entire team. You
can tell everybody kind of derives their energy, their passion
off of number zero in the middle of that huddle.
You know, his voice was hoarsed in the pregame speech
out of that Colts game that they put out that
videos like.

Speaker 13 (01:09:13):
The game hasn't beg fun and he's already losing his voice.

Speaker 8 (01:09:16):
That's who he is. And I think that outside I'm
an outsider. I live up in Western New York. I'm
just kind of consuming the disease clips like everybody else.
And you wonder, is he what everybody's saying, like, is
he dirty? Is this somebody that should be banned from
the sport? And then you learn about where.

Speaker 13 (01:09:34):
He came from.

Speaker 8 (01:09:35):
Twelve years old. His house is burning down. You know,
his sisters was cooking, let the stove on, grease fire
tries pouring water on it makes it worse, you know,
tucks a younger brother under each arm, gets out of
the house, runs back in, gets this one year old Nie,
saves her life. House burns down and they're homeless, right,
A family of eleven with his mom, his siblings, two

(01:09:55):
little grandkids, and they get into an extended say motel.

Speaker 13 (01:09:59):
It's all in.

Speaker 8 (01:09:59):
The story can go on and on, but when you
really understand, like why he attacks each snap of a
practice the way he does, each snap of a game
the way he does, you know, making the teammate in
San Francisco as a UDFA off of torn acl tackling
guys to the ground, pissing off college Shanahan, Shanahan and
a team meaning's like a zee.

Speaker 13 (01:10:18):
You tackle one more guy, you're gonna get cut.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
You're out of here.

Speaker 8 (01:10:21):
And then he blows up a Cowboys running back on
a screenplay that exhibition game and makes the team basically
with that one place.

Speaker 14 (01:10:29):
You see why this guy plays through the echo of
the whistle and is able to run and hit and
play with relentlessness everything that Burke and Ryan's and Casara
want on this team.

Speaker 8 (01:10:40):
Like, I think it's commendable that when his world is
caving in. And this is kind of the crescendo I
suppose of the series we have at the site in
part two where okay, like the Trevor Lawrence play happens,
it's ugly.

Speaker 13 (01:10:54):
You put in slow motion.

Speaker 8 (01:10:55):
Yeah, flag find.

Speaker 6 (01:10:57):
All that stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:10:58):
But right then the Texan could have done what most
people do in life, in any industry and go on
the apology tour, right, just kind of bow to the
mob and oh, yes, yes he's dirty.

Speaker 13 (01:11:09):
Oh yeah, we can't.

Speaker 8 (01:11:10):
Have this other no, No, The TM called John Running's
letter BS and didn't say BS. Niko Ryans said that
the owner shouldn't be on the defensive player to figure
out when that quarterback is gonna slide like the quarterback.
It's so true. You see it on that play, and
you see it with Mahomes along the sideline they try to.

Speaker 13 (01:11:28):
Get a couple extra yards. You gotta shreat him like
a runner with disease.

Speaker 8 (01:11:31):
What are all these guys supposed to do in those
bang bang plays? So he stands up for him, Matt
Burke stands up for him. It's a dark time for
his ease. I mean, he was depressed, he was injured.
The casey playoff game was brutal, but eventually he gets
through it because I think he's in a place that
allows himself to be himself. I mean, he can play
one hundred miles an hour just.

Speaker 7 (01:11:50):
Like everybody else.

Speaker 8 (01:11:51):
And doubling down in that moment.

Speaker 10 (01:11:53):
I think really helped the Houston Texans lean into everything
they are as the football teams.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Again, ty Don joining us here at Tyler Done go
along at td dot com, hopping on with us here
for a few minutes on the morning Drive with Dan
and Cole. With this matchup on Monday night, is there
anything from the Steelers side that you look at and
say that's gonna be a massive problem for the Texans.

Speaker 10 (01:12:16):
I'm, oh, my god, maybe I shouldn't chuckle like I
didn't see that win over Baltimore coming. I really thought
after Derrick Henry went for three hundred on Green Bay
and it was just this emasculating performance, Like it was
brutal watching that game. All Right, you got Henry, you
got Lamar back.

Speaker 8 (01:12:35):
The Ravens are the Ravens. I thought they I thought
they'd blow them out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Their own building and they didn't.

Speaker 8 (01:12:40):
And they missed the kick and Aaron Rodgers made some
plays late. To his credit, they were able to kind
of go back and forth and they won the division.
Can't take that away from him. I don't know, man,
I mean a forty one, forty two year old whatever
he is, Aaron Rodgers, who he still has a good arm,
he still is a great brain. He can't move like
I see the Texan feasting in this game.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:13:03):
I mean, maybe they go to this quick pass and
attack and they really try to run the ball and
they're not going to be doing seven step drops. But
how whatever they do. I just feel like Will Anderson Junior,
Danil Hunter, this entire defense, they're going to be in
swarm mode. And then some I don't know. I mean,
maybe like DK's return helps. Maybe Kenneth Gainwell can can

(01:13:27):
buff free on a screenplay.

Speaker 13 (01:13:29):
But I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:13:30):
I even like that Raiders game, even this Colts game
when they had the JV team out for half the game.
The big plays to me, I mean, I'm not just
like telling your listeners what they want to hear.

Speaker 13 (01:13:40):
They almost seem kind.

Speaker 10 (01:13:41):
Of rooky, Like I feel like, you look at the
entire season, this Texans defense is suffocating and they just
they know man de man one on one in any situation,
they're going to be better than you, and then they'll
be better than the.

Speaker 11 (01:13:53):
Steelers in this game.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Ty, You've been doing coverage over the Texans for the
last three years since Will and CJ and Demiko all
came down here. And it's why go Long TV is
a great website for anybody in Houston. They need to
check it on out because of the amount of coverage
that you get over there on teams that deserve the respect.
You've seen the growth from the last three seasons. I'm
gonna put you on the spot with Tamiko Ryans, CJ. Stroud,

(01:14:17):
and Will Anderson in the building and what this culture
has culminated over the last three years. Do you feel
like it's a matter of when, not if the Texans
will hoist up their first Lombardi Trophy with this current regime.

Speaker 12 (01:14:30):
I do.

Speaker 8 (01:14:31):
It is true though, like sometimes like you sniff success,
you've got a team that can get to the Super
Bowl and win it. You're close and you think we're
gonna be back there a year and a year out
and it doesn't happen. I mean, look at Aaron Rodgers,
the quarterback.

Speaker 13 (01:14:45):
They're gonna face.

Speaker 8 (01:14:46):
He wins the Super Bowl his second season as a starter,
everybody assumes, oh man, he'll he'll be winning two, three,
four or five more. He doesn't even get back to
the game like it's forgetting his winning and he can't
even get back to it.

Speaker 13 (01:14:59):
And he's one of the greatest ever.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
So you never know.

Speaker 8 (01:15:02):
But I'm a believer in this head coach. I think
he just gets it.

Speaker 10 (01:15:07):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:15:07):
There was a Matt Burke when we sat down the
defensive coordinator. He had a line that I just thought, like,
just nailed, nailed the bulls eye.

Speaker 7 (01:15:14):
All coaches just think this way.

Speaker 8 (01:15:15):
He's like, look on Sunday, I try to be as
unobtrusive as possible, like it is the player's day. By
then they know what they've got to do.

Speaker 10 (01:15:23):
We're not going to.

Speaker 8 (01:15:24):
Flood their conscious and their subconscious with exces and o's
and do this, do that, No, do your thing. And
whether it's the way you run a defense, the way
you run an offense, how you conduct your your organization.
I just feel like so many coaches forget that.

Speaker 10 (01:15:39):
That it's an instinct game, it's a human game, and
you've got to believe in the people you bring into
the building and the Texans do they do it right?
I feel like that's going to lead to a Super
Bowl at some point.

Speaker 13 (01:15:52):
To answer your.

Speaker 8 (01:15:52):
Question, yes, and this question is with the offense. So
when you're building up this defense, you can't really do
what Chicago did and a span of forty eight hours
with Joe Tooney and Jonah Jackson and then they get
Drew Dollmon. They loaded up. But guess what the Bears
defense thanks.

Speaker 13 (01:16:10):
They forced a lot of turnovers. That's why they're in
the playoffs, why they won the division.

Speaker 8 (01:16:13):
But they can't stop anybody. I mean, the Texans have
the best defense, and yeah, an inconsistent offensive line, but
you hit a couple of big plays like they did
against the Chargers, you get up fourteen. The defense is
going to do the rest.

Speaker 13 (01:16:26):
And in this AFC that's wide open. Why not the Texans.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
You can find his work again at go Along at
TD dot com and he's got a piece that's right
up there at the top of the website.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
Outlaw is Part two.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Why is He's Al Shaier and the East Houston Texans
Savages seek and Destroy? He's Tyler Dunn again Go ALONGTD
dot Com. Tyler Hey, really appreciate your stuff this morning.
Great stuff, and definitely you know we're going to have
you back on again because I love this information.

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
Say hi to add for me, Buden.

Speaker 8 (01:16:57):
I absolutely will say hi to add our dot for
your call.

Speaker 13 (01:17:00):
I know that you are as big as a fan.
And hey, thanks so much, fellows. This is a lot
of fun.

Speaker 8 (01:17:05):
And thanks to all the Texans and the faithful down
there for finding go along. I got a lot on
the site. It's all open too, so even if you're
a free subscriber and just want to see what we're about,
you can see this ten thousand words series in full.

Speaker 13 (01:17:17):
So thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
I appreciate it. Again, ty Don joining us here on
this show. We'll continue with something that Ty brought up
that I think is a really interesting thought on the Texans.
So we'll do that to close out seven o'clock hour.
As we continue here, it is the Morning Drive with
Dan and Cole Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 6 (01:17:37):
They are on Morning Drive. Here's Dan Matthews and Cole Thompson.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
We do it at this time every single week, and
yet your idiot lead host here on the show forgot that.
Of course, Hey, it's seven forty five so we do
a look at the shield here, Hotel Indy.

Speaker 15 (01:17:59):
Shield.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
All right, so cold you've.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
Been gone the last few days and haven't necessarily had
a chance. I mean, we talked about John Harbaugh being
let go, you know, earlier on in the show. But
I mean you've got others and even others outside of
coaches that are gone because Raheem Morris is out in Atlanta. Dumb,
You've got trying to think who else has gone? John Dannon.

(01:18:28):
You also the two openings that were open he Pee
Carroll too, So I mean you said it right there
with Raheem Morris that that move was dumb. So I mean,
of all of them, that's the one you disagree with
the most. No, the Pee Carroll one's the one I
disagree with the most.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
You've earned enough respect and I think equity over your
entire NFL tenure to get one more season to right
the ship. It just feels like that once again you're
kicking the can down the road of mediocrity instead of
actually standing your guns. I thought this way, since they
decided to let go of Rich Bisaccia to go after
a Josh McDaniels type of move, they are incompetent organization
that makes in common. It moves, and I get it. Yeah,

(01:19:02):
you're gonna go ahead and hopefully figure some things out
with Tom Brady at the helm. But Carol's a proven winner.
He didn't have a good offensive line. He banked on
his former quarterbacks still having that same type of surge
that he had out in Seattle. Now you have an
opportunity with the number one overall pick to get a younger,
more innovative offensive mind to serve as your coordinator. And
he's earned the respect to I think, get one more

(01:19:23):
season to prove why he is the right guy for
the job. It sucks because of why would you come
out of retirement for a one year rental. It just
made zero sense to me. But the Raheem Morris move,
the reason I just find it completely baffling is because
there's always that conversation of ownership and coaching, and it

(01:19:43):
was clear that the ownership group wanted Kirk Cousins to
come on in. They wanted Michael Pennick Schunior. Well, so
you kind of met the middle when it came to.

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
The I'm gonna push back on the penix.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
I think that was the GM because I don't think
he wanted Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
No, Terry Faunat didn't want.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Yeah, but his ownership versus Arthur Best.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Yeah, because Arthur Blank is a guy that's a star believer, right,
I mean is he is. He wants people that he
feel like, can you know, sell tickets, sell jerseys, do
all of that, And he thought that Cousins was that guy.

Speaker 4 (01:20:14):
And obviously the GM probably didn't agree.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
But with the quarterback that they want it, even with
the quarterback that you had, you still saw the results
actually start to come together underneath Raheem Morris, who won
four of you last five games, and you ended up
having the exact same record as the Panthers and as
the Buccaneers. So yeah, you're gonna hit reset once again,
say this is not the standard, which I can understand.
But at the same time, the standard is whatever ownership

(01:20:38):
makes it out to be. Why do you think the
Cowboys still suck every single season?

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
So Mike Borganzi is now the general manager there in
Tennessee with the Titans, and he spent sixteen years with
the Chiefs, and when talking about you know, players or
excuse me, people that he's going to be bringing into
an interview for their vacant head coaching job. He said
that he must remove his chiefs Bias from the Titans
coaching search because it is reported that they are going

(01:21:05):
to interview defensive coordinator Steve Spagnolo and also offensive coordinator
Matt Naggy.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
No, please keep your chief Spias.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
We would actually love for you to do that, to
hire either of those guys, especially Matt nag Gasa.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
One of them is actually a bad hire. The other
one's a fine hier I Dispagnola. At this point, he's
going to be a two year rental and then he'll
be out of a job. Matt Nagy, he may end
up imploding the franchise entirely.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
We saw that pretty much happen in Chicago and then
finally too. You know, there's some teams that had high
expectations this year but did not meet those expectations, and
the Detroit.

Speaker 4 (01:21:36):
Lions were one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
And in the Monday press conference with Dan Campbell, somebody asked,
you know, you know, just what was your assessment of
this season? Quote not good enough, we didn't get in,
we underachieved, And he followed it up at the end
by saying so not good. I give myself a freaking F.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
Yeah he deserves eno F and I and I'm one
of the the biggest supporters of Dan Campbell. I love
the higher when it was made initially, I never doubted
him because of the bite in the ankles and the
kneecap crap that he came out and like, it never
bothered me. What bothered me was the fact that people
didn't give him a shot. But he was clearly a
player's coach. So now you're a player's coach. Now you
got to figure out as a coach's coach, what did

(01:22:16):
I do wrong? You can't be a play caller and
have an inadequate defense coordinator, or you can be an
inadequate You can have an inadequate defense coordinator, a young
up and comer like Kelvin Shepherd, but you got to
get an offensive mine in there that's gonna be more prominent.
So that's gonna be the big question I think in
the offseason for a team like Detroit, what's the plan
in motion? Do I want to be the play caller?

(01:22:36):
Okay that I got like Calvin Shepherd? Or am I
gonna like Kelvin Shepherd call the plays great. I gotta
bring in an experience offense coordinator that's gonna make this
a lot better because you can't be bad on both
sides of the football and expect nine and eight to
be good enough.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
And they also fire their offensive coordinator, right, but he
was the one calling place.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
So that's the problem is that by mid season you
saw Campbell take on over as the play designer. So
now you have to decide what is the better course
of action. I think Kelvin Shepherd's find DCN. I think
he's gonna end up being a really well liked guy
in the NFL for a long time. So I would
just say, go back to being the CEO approach like
you've done for the last few years, Get an experience

(01:23:11):
off its coordinator in the building, and watch you return
to the magic of being in thirteen win team.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Serving two masters is hard to do in any walk
of life, but especially in the NFL. All right, let's
get back into the Texans discussion. Seven one three, two,
one two five, seven ninety is the way that you
can do that. Our guests that we just had in
the segment before last, Ty done something that he brought
up comparing another team that I've compared the Texans two
before in the thought process. There, we'll do that as

(01:23:38):
we get into the eight o'clock hour. Right here, it
is the Morning Drive with Danna Coles, Sports Talk seven
ninety KB.

Speaker 9 (01:23:45):
Houston ATDHD two Houston.

Speaker 6 (01:23:47):
The Astross, the Rockets, Rockets Fast befall your home for
your home teams. This is Sports Talk seven ninety and
iHeartRadio station Guaranteed Human. This is the Morning Drive with
Dad and Cole.

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
What's your new show to watch?

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Because we're getting into post football season. I mean, you
know you're gonna have those couple of months before you
get Astro season fire and back up the draft.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
I mean the Rockets play every other night.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
You have a back to back here or there, so
you're gonna have some nights where you don't have local
sports to be able to watch. So then that, you know,
allows for you to be able to get into TV
beinging territory.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
I'm gonna officially finish Stranger Things. Okay, I have not
gone past season two. Okay, so I am locked in.
I just started the first episode of season three on
my flight back yesterday. Okay, somebody go ahead and finished
the last three seasons.

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
I've heard the season five sucks. I'm very excited to
go ahead and critique it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
Okay, all right, Triple E you got one?

Speaker 13 (01:24:54):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Do you guys watch the Boys?

Speaker 9 (01:24:56):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
God, yes, do I watch the Boys? I can't wait
for what is the new season coming out?

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
It's supposed to come out? Sometimes it's like this, is
it February? Like it's supposed to be March? Or sometimes Okay,
you know it's the final season, right, I do?

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Are?

Speaker 13 (01:25:10):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Are you ready to see how they're going to get
rid of him? I am because of I don't know
how you beat Homelander. I genuinely don't. By by the way,
I hated the first season. Dude, you gotta watch the
second one to understand.

Speaker 8 (01:25:23):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Yeah, so I have to now watch the second season,
so it's going to play a factor. Come on, gen
v sucked the first the very first. Because I will
tell people any single time that I would go into
a conversation about, like what's the Boys about? You were
either going to love or hate it within the first
five minutes because of what happens with Huye in the

(01:25:44):
first five minutes. We'll tell you everything you need to
know this is gonna be a good show for you.
And I didn't feel that way with gen V. I
felt like a drug on the entire first episode. And
I went, and you know, I give it a break.
I'll give you three episodes to gotta get like, get
it going. I couldn't do it like I finished the
season one, but I just did it because I was like,
I'm already halfway through. I'm as well's go ahead and end.

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
It, all right? So the boys, Yeah, yeah, that's that's
one to check out.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
I I mean obviously you know that that me and
you were big Landman fans. And by the way too,
people might not know this, but if you have Paramount Plus,
land Man's new episode comes out on Saturday nights. So
what I did, Yeah, it comes out on Saturday nights.
That came out on Sunday night. That's the whole hook
of why they want you to, you know, sign up

(01:26:31):
for Paramount Plus is because then you're gonna get the
show before they air it that night on Sunday. You
could watch it on regular TV and be able to
see it that night, so then you can get that,
So like last week up early enough before heading over
to NRG Stadium for the Texans game. So then I
was like, oh, okay, I can go ahead knock out
Landmann right now, and I did. And by the way,

(01:26:51):
to shout out Carbok Brewing. They were featured last week
on Landman Spindle Tap Brewing mentioned a couple of weeks
ago by yeah, they had like a so the wife
Ali Laarder always has a theme for dinner at the house.

Speaker 12 (01:27:07):
There.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
I was watching the second episode of My Flight from Nashville.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
To the World, and the most recent one they had
was a baseball theme. Right now, they were mostly wearing
Rangers gear, which it's just like, all right, fine.

Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
Well, what's his name? Nathan had a Baylor hat.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
Yeah, yeah, he had a Baylor hat on what what
does she called, Well, she calls him Neil Neil. But
but you do see when Ali is in the kitchen
preparing that she grabs a can of Crawford Bok. You
can clearly see the tequila sunrise stripes on the Crawford
Bock cannon. I was like, Oh, there's Crawford Bach right there,

(01:27:41):
so gotta love it. Taylor, Taylor, Taylor.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
Sheridan really really doing a great job for Crawford back
around here.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Yes, we do, absolutely, and we'll get it soon enough
here coming up at Dike and Park in short order.
As the Astros obviously Tatsuya and my introduced a couple
of days ago.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
Get into that a little bit later on in the show.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
But you've also got the Texans, as I mentioned on
the practice field, getting ready for the Steelers on Monday night,
Rockets is going to be on the road taking on
the Blazers. Eight o'clock Rockets launch pad for that, and
shout out to Kingston Flemings and UH Basketball last night
nine points in the last two minutes of the game
to help the Koogs overtake the fourteenth ranked Red Raiders

(01:28:25):
at Texas Tech sixty nine sixty five over at Fortida Center,
fourteen and one on the season, the lone blemish a
close loss to Tennessee in that Vegas tournament, and they're
also two to zero and Big twelve play.

Speaker 4 (01:28:37):
So got Kelvin Sampson's crew crew trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Make another push for a deep march run someone three
two and two five seven ninety. You know again, I
want to go back and probably going to have to
remind the audience a little bit just because it was
over thirty minutes ago when we had tied down on
from golongtd dot com, and one thing he brought up
was the example of the Chicago Bears, because you know,
I've brought up Joe Toney numerous times where I've criticized

(01:29:04):
Nick Cassario for being at the podium and saying, oh,
we had interest in these guys, and it's just like,
you know, let me ask you something. You're in a
sales position and your boss asks you, hey, we closed
that deal. Oh they have interest? What does that mean?
So you don't have anything? Is what you have? So
like when I heard that and you had the offensive
line playing the way that it was early on this season,
I was just like, don't give me interest, bub Kiss.

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
Interest. I don't need to hear that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
You have a rookie quarterback right now, you have a
hell of a edge rusher that you don't have to
pay a large amount of money for right now, you're
playing on house money, and you're gonna hit me with interest.

Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
Bupkiss, No, it's exactly what it was. It was, Bubkiss,
It sucked. What does buffkis even mean by it's nothing?

Speaker 13 (01:29:46):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
Yeah, bub Kiss, you got nothing? That's exactly what it is. No,
it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
No, that is I've never even heard that word mentioned
when it comes to that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
No, but you are right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
I mean, at the same time, when you have a
deal that's in place, you either have something or you don't.
Bottom line, the Texans did not want to spend money
in the offensive line because that's been an area that
they haven't done for a while, and when they do
do it, they really mess it on up. Shack Mason
was the big time deal. Guess what one year unto
the contract, you realize Nope, not a good deal. So
you put yourself in a position of where you're watching

(01:30:20):
a Chicago's offense has become the reason that they are
now sitting as the number two seed at eleven and
six in the NFC. On top of that, they still
have a quarterback that, in my opinion, has improved, but
has not been as perfect or as qualified or still
has multiple failed, faulty errors of his game that could

(01:30:42):
really hurts you in a playoff series. You have question
marks when it comes to your wide receiver corps, your
question marks when it comes to your i would say
run game, and your defense sucks. I mean, I cannot
tell you how many Bears fans have been online chirping
at Texans fans saying, no, we leave the NFL on
takeaways also a bottom ten and passes in passing yards

(01:31:02):
a lot per game. You also are bottom ten in
yards a lot for contact. You also have the second
highest misstackle rate. You're not good, Like, you're really not
that great, but you caused turnovers, but nobody cares about
that because the offense is doing such a good job
protecting Caleb Williams that you're able to make place. And
because of that, we're so focusing on the defense for
Houston that we're not paying enough attention to the fault

(01:31:23):
of the offense, but we're calling it out because of
the offense is the reason why you're gonna end up
falling short.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Well, I mean, and here's the thing, unless I heard
Ty wrong on this, it's not like you would have
had to rob Peter to pay Paul to be able
to improve your offensive line enough of going out and
getting some of the guys that he mentioned that went
to Chicago, because most of your guys are either a
under contract or B guys that are still under rookie deals.
I mean, a lot of the massive contributors on your defense,

(01:31:51):
Will Anderson Junior, Kamari Laster. I know that you paid
Derek Stingley, but he's not going anywhere, So it's not
like that you would have had to, you know, say
all right, well you gotta let this guy go. We
gotta let that guy go. I really think that, honestly,
it was an opportunity to be able to improve a
group that massively needed it over the off season, and
you swung and missed on everybody not named at Ingram. Yeah,

(01:32:12):
but at the same time, and Ariane Rassary alter.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
Terrstory, though you did at the trade up for in
the draftic guarantee that you got him. So it wasn't
like that you swung and missed. You made sure that
you weren't going to find yourself in a position to
where you were swinging longter because imagine they didn't get
arionte Herassory. You have Cam Robinson on a one year,
fourteen million dollar deal that was a turnstyle both in
Minnesota and Jacksonville, and would have done the exact same
thing in Houston, but he would have been more expensive,

(01:32:38):
So you didn't you you missed because of you didn't
want to spend the money, yet you still were willing
to spend the money on the wrong pieces.

Speaker 4 (01:32:46):
And that's been an.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
Area where Nick has been wrong a lot, and he
continuously is wrong on is you spend money at the
worst positions possible. And as I'm not even looking at
the CJ. Garner Johnson deal because of yeah, you know what,
at the time, you need to go ahead and bring
in the state. You knew Kenyan Green wasn't a part
of your long term plan. Ultimately, when you made the
trade for John Metchi to go to Philadelphia, you got
your pick back. So really not that bad of a

(01:33:09):
buyer's remorse at that standpoint. But the problem is is
that when you know that you need to bolster up
your offensive line, you seem to get it wrong. And
I will say not to defend anyone in the Texas
because I hate doing this type of stuff, but I
believe coaching matters. Do you think that Cole Popovich would
get the best version of either Jonah Jackson or Joe

(01:33:33):
Tunni out in Houston?

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
I mean, I will say this.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
I know I've been a massive detractor against you know,
promoting him because you know, it was all, oh, you know,
you want to learn to Dante's Garnaki, And it's like,
if I hear that again, I'm going to absolutely lose
my mind much more than you know Gordy's scenario to
he threw out yesterday trying to troll me about Rich
Eisen and Mike Florio, either of those, it's gonna send

(01:33:58):
me to two hundred and twelve degrees fahrenheit. I will
boil over that is going to happen. But I mean
it's hard to argue with this group's improvements this season.

Speaker 4 (01:34:06):
I'll give him that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
So I mean saying all of that, Yeah, I would
say that if you had either of those guys that
you would have seen a good offensive line this year
under Coole Popovitch.

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
Yes, I will still fight back and say they went
to the right situation for what they want to pay. Now,
do I think that the Texans still should have beene
a move?

Speaker 5 (01:34:22):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
But same time, I'm okay with what you did by
bringing to ed Ingram and end up being a really
smart play on you and you gave up a Day
three pick not that bad of a price. Now, Now, again,
these are long term moves right now. You also know
that ed Ingram's on a one year deal. You know
that you have got to figure out what you want
to do long term. When it comes to Titus Howard,
do you want him at right tackle? Do you want
him at card? You need to bring in a right

(01:34:45):
tackle if you're going to keep Tyus Howard at card,
I think you got to upgrade at center. Even if
you have Jake Andrews. I get it, he's cheap. It's cool,
he understands the offense. I want better.

Speaker 4 (01:34:53):
I just do now.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
Going into the offseason, you know that you have to
spend money in certain spots. And that's the problem because
if you also have this spend money now when it
comes to Will Anderson and TJ Stroud.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
All right, So, people who have been football fans in
this city for a long time, I think you know
the scenario that I'm about to lay out.

Speaker 4 (01:35:09):
But it also is a question that comes with it.
Is it really still a thing?

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
Spent a little time away but then came back home.
I know the businesses around here.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
I've heard Michael Berry say it numerous times that this
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Speaker 6 (01:37:37):
Back to the Morning Drive. Here's Dan Matthews and Cole Thompson.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
Thrown out that number with a purpose because while you
were out, our good buddy Larry and Stafford gave us
a call on Monday talking about really wanting to beat
the Steelers past.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
He's a person.

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
Just just follow me on this.

Speaker 3 (01:37:59):
He's a person. We're not gonna say, good bunny. We're
gonna say he's a person's he's a good guy. They
trust me, We'll make this work between you two, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
So he brought up, you know, really wanting to beat
the Steelers, and a crux of it too was going
back to the love you Blue days with the Steelers
and that there is still a hatred in the city
for the organization and that it's just it's it's never
gonna go away. And Larry, if I got any of
that wrong, please send one three two, one two five

(01:38:27):
seven ninety. But then my thought on it was, okay,
that was the Oiler's history. That wasn't the Texans history, Like,
I don't think that there was kind of this, like
remember the Alamo taking down Buffalo these last couple of
years here, And I don't think that there was anybody
outside of maybe a couple of people in the stadium
or watching that night that was like, man, it's nice

(01:38:48):
to beat that organization again after Frank Reich and company,
you know, completely broke our hearts in the in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:38:54):
Like, I don't think there's any of that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Rivalries, especially too when it comes to generations are so different.
We see this all the time in college football. I mean,
I'm an LSU guy, right, sure, So for me, I'm
in the age group that's Florida is still the rival
that I want to beat the post at LSU. Now,

(01:39:17):
I get it that there is like a new generation
of fans in well, right, but but Brian Kelly said so,
but but you.

Speaker 4 (01:39:24):
Know they're their generation.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
It's it's Alabama because I mean Alabama became that team
that they couldn't beat.

Speaker 4 (01:39:31):
Well, I mean, you say that it's a fake.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
Rivalry, and I say that because it's not any there's
no recollection between these two having bad blood other than
Nick Saban decided at one point I'm going to go
to the NFL and then all the accolades that you're
supposed to end up having with me here, I'm gonna
do all that in Tuscalo.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Well, but that's the thing is that that was a
massive part of it. But a even more part of
it was Alabama being who they are. And that also too.
I mean, you were two programs that were a really
good at sending guys to the next level.

Speaker 4 (01:40:02):
Sure, and they also so George is now arrival of Alabama. Well,
I mean there are a lot of people who believe that. Yeah,
for sure, in the in the grand history of things,
are they arrival of Alabama?

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
I mean, I think that a massive part of that
is that, you know, Georgia Tech is not really much
of a competition, because here's the thing with a rivalry,
you've got to have given taken it. You've got to
have one side wins the other side wins like that's
that's what makes it into a rivalry.

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
And you know, for mister, you guys right now, because
you continue to lose to them, You've lost two of
the last three times to them, Am I wrong?

Speaker 4 (01:40:36):
Okay? And then what happens when they come to baton
rouge you you.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
Went all the way to over Literally it literally is
trailing the entire time up until the last one.

Speaker 4 (01:40:45):
But what I'm saying is because of it's both ole
Miss is not LSU's program and they never will be.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
People, go ahead, hold up, hold on for starters. LSU's
program right now is taking a page out of ole
Miss's book to land their head coach. So go ahead
and congratulate them. You have a single time you watch
that offense, blame but.

Speaker 4 (01:40:59):
What a saying.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
Okay, but kudos to them because they have enough of
a knock at the door to be able to say, hey,
we're taking your coach, but we know we're taking your coach, right, we're.

Speaker 4 (01:41:07):
Taking your coach. But my point is is that there's
a give and take in that rivalry.

Speaker 3 (01:41:11):
You won the last time that they came to death
Valley on a game winning touchdown pass to Kiwan Lacy
when it's Alabama versus Tennessee for years, it was sixteen
straight of just victories of lighting the cigar for the crimson.
So like that's the thing, is that there has to
be a give and take there when it comes to
a program like the Texans versus the Steelers. The Steelers
lose the Texans all the time. There is no blood

(01:41:34):
bad blood there because it's a new regime, it's a
new it's a new roster. You could throw better Roethlisberger
out there, you could throw Aaron Rodgers out there, you
could throw tiny hands Kenny Picket out there. Texans kick
your ass.

Speaker 12 (01:41:46):
That's just it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
It has to be a give and take, and there
isn't one.

Speaker 4 (01:41:49):
Well, But it's also though too.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
I mean, I do think that the organizations do matter
at a certain point, and it also is again a
generational thing where for the points that you just brought up,
you've had no issues with them whatsoever. I mean, playoff battles,
I think are a massive part of it. I mean
for Texans fans right now. Obviously you're going to say
the you know, the Indivision teams, you know, the Colts

(01:42:12):
will always be there, even though you've completely dominated them
the last few years. Like it's a complete opposite of
what it was when you first started as an organization
Tennessee for obvious reasons. But I think once Bud Adams
passed away, that probably kind of went away now they're
a joke under a Amy Adams shrunk and they'll continue
to stay it.

Speaker 4 (01:42:30):
Jake, I mean, and the Jags too.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
I mean, that's that's a this year thing that has
not been a thing the last few years up until now,
that has not been a thing whatsoever. And then I've
also been on a record two of saying the Cowboys
hatred is pretty dumb because you play them once every
four years. So it's just like you're focusing on somebody
that you rarely ever see. I don't understand it. I

(01:42:55):
get it to a certain point, but I also just
don't understand the expand the the amount of energy that
people put into it, where it's like, why are you
focusing on somebody that has no bearing life?

Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
Okay, so if you were a tech, if you were
looking at it from this perspective of the one team,
not the Oilers versus the Steelers, but the one team
for the Texans that they're playing in the playoffs that
you want to see them beat because if you just
can't stand them rivalry wise, who is.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
It rivalry wise right now? I mean, well, it would
probably be the Jags, But I mean I would also
say that just with Twitter being Twitter, and you know
Denver fans being the way that they've been these last
few months, especially after winning that game, but not just.

Speaker 3 (01:43:34):
This year, like all time, like in the last twenty
years of the Texans. I would say that probably right now.

Speaker 4 (01:43:39):
The Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
I would say the Colts. If you're playing the Colts,
because of what they did to you when they had
Peyton Manning here and then the years of the t
Y Hilton bombs, you know, bomb shots down the field
like all that, and how they were able to go
ahead and make it a one sided affair, and now
it's starting to feel that way on the other side,
and what you've been able to call it. There is
no if you're facing off against in the playoffs more,

(01:44:02):
I want to beat the crap out of it and
I want to watch them scream and beg uncle. Then
the Indianapolis Colts because of what they had with Andrew Luck,
what they had with Peyton Manning, and while this franchise
was going through an entire rebuild, they had to sit
there and take it and watch his eighteen Mallie in
self history.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
So that mean it for me, but it's also too
I mean, the reason why I bring up the Chiefs
is you know the playoffs last year, I mean where
you felt like that you were not only playing against eleven,
you were also playing against some that were wearing stripes.
In the NFL somewhat agreed with you, because then they
told a couple of them, yeah, hey, we don't want
you being officials anymore because you were that bad. It's
nice to see that actually for a change. But I mean,

(01:44:39):
you could even throw Baltimore in there. The Ravens. I mean,
I think that there were probably a lot of people
that would have been very nervous about this game this
week had you been facing the Ravens.

Speaker 5 (01:44:49):
I said.

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
So many people talk about the Ravens, and for good reason,
because if it's Lamar Jackson, and to be fair, you
haven't beaten him in the playoffs, so until you do, so,
it's something that is going to be on your mind.
It simply is, and it's something that you have to
worry about. But from a standpoint of I look at
the two teams currently that I believe are the ones
if I'm in the playoffs, I want to watch them

(01:45:11):
squirm and I'm going to laugh every single time an
interception happens.

Speaker 4 (01:45:16):
A sack happens. Whatever it is to me is the Jaguars.

Speaker 3 (01:45:19):
To me, it's the Colts because of you want to
show that number one you run this division, but number
two just because you know how the hot season doesn't
mean Jack squat. You're still the same incompetent, low life,
pathetic excuse of organizations that never can even lick the
back of my heel type of mentality that you have
someone three two on two five seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
See Gill right there al anybody else who wants to
get in you can do so it's someone three two
on two five seven ninety who can continue this conversation.
Also too, I want to get into something that we
talked about a little bit earlier, the Dimico difference. Is
it a thing we will talk about. It's right here
on the Morning Drive with Danny Coles Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
So again, I you know, I threw it out there,
you know, like I said Larry Stafford's call about really
wanting to beat the Steelers, and I even did a
head and home about it, like where all was just
like the Steelers, Like that's a thing still, like I
don't know, like it's I've never gone into a game
with the Texans taken on the Steelers other than hm,
it's the Steelers, all right. I mean when you play them,

(01:46:37):
here might be a few more people waving a terrible
towel with this person. And that's I mean, that's really
what it is. It's just like it it doesn't elicit
a reaction out of me, like I think that to
your point, the Colts are still kind of that and
it is for previous years. And I mean, and it
is because for the longest time, as you were trying
to overtake them in the AFC South, that was the

(01:46:59):
tea you had to get through.

Speaker 4 (01:47:01):
You had to get through Indianapolis. Well, you had to
get through Peyton and you had to get through Andrew Loss.
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
So, I mean, you know there was that, and then
you know the Jags have been here and there, but
they've been so inconsistent. You know what it is with
the Jacks, it's the fact that they are arguing with
you that you're the worst team in the division all time.
That's what's been the argument forever.

Speaker 4 (01:47:18):
That's that's a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:47:20):
Yeah, because of how many years it took for the
Texans to finally get into a winning formation and actually
put themselves in the conversation of being a legit team
to where your crappy beginning, like our crappy beginning, and
how there's been moments to where we've been four in
thirteen and you've been four in thirteen. We're fighting to
not be the last place team.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
But what did they have other than like the Mark
Brunell years where they were able to have early success.

Speaker 4 (01:47:45):
How dare you disrespect Blake Bortles like that?

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Okay, fine, Blake Bortles getting the NFC CHEA was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:47:51):
He had turnovers and gaudy numbers in the fourth quarter
of games that would win your fantasy football championships. I
will tell you the greatest year my fantasy football career
came by drafting him and knowing that I was gonna
get twenty points in the fourth quarter when you were
down by forty two and you had to find a
way to just throw it a million times.

Speaker 4 (01:48:10):
Okay, but that's just it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
I mean, at least I would say that the Texans
in terms of consistency of winning the division have been
much more consistent Jackson.

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
But what I'm saying is is that Jags fans still
like to act because of there have been moments to
where they've been better than you, and that you two
are the youngest franchises in the NFL, that you're actually
the worst and look like I don't want.

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
People to you know, mistake that I'm saying. You know,
don't still hate the Steelers. I get that, like as
I even told you, I mean, you grow up as
a fan of a certain generation hating a certain team,
and maybe that's not necessarily a rivalry anymore because either
a you don't play each other or b you just
beat them all the time, so it kind of just

(01:48:51):
doesn't become a thing. Like I mean, for example, you know,
at least you know another college football one here in
the area. Is that for Texas fans right now, anom
doesn't really matter?

Speaker 9 (01:49:02):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no no.

Speaker 3 (01:49:04):
Here's my rule, ladies and gentlemen, whoever is your team,
you hate every other team that exists out there. You
hate the Steelers, you hate the Patriots, you hate the Ravens,
you hate the Chiefs, you hate the Bills. But you
loathe and despise and want nothing but pain and pure

(01:49:25):
destruction and agony for years on end, until the end
of time. For teams like the Colts, for teams like
the Jaguars. You do that in college football too. You
hate every single team besides your own, but there's one
or two that you're just like, I wish nothing good
ever happens in your life. If you got hit by
a bus tomorrow, I'll walk past your body and cackle.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
So but I mean, that's the thing, though, is I mean,
you also have an entire generation of Texas and even
I mean A and M their condition to hate Texas whatsoever.
But at least Texas fans who they had no idea
about that rivalry either they were one two young the
last time that they played each other or two. I mean,
you know just that the times that they did play

(01:50:06):
each other, even towards the end, it was completely one
sided Texas every single year.

Speaker 3 (01:50:11):
I can flip it and say that there are more
Texas A and M fans that I've spoken to in
the last ten years that love to complain about LSU
than they do about Texas.

Speaker 4 (01:50:19):
I think that it's also too with that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
I mean, there is one, but there is a rivalry there,
especially with LSU, that goes back to the eighties and nineties,
which I do understand and clearly you know, I was
alive during that time, so I know about it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:34):
So that getting fired back up for the whole real
you know, sake of you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
Didn't have the Texas game anymore, so you had to
have somebody that you really had to dig into and hate.

Speaker 4 (01:50:44):
That was one, but it's also two.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
As I say to A and M fans all the time,
I you know, I'm like, I'm like, look, you hate
LSU because well they've been a lot more successful than
you have been and they have no they have no business.

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
Okay, Oklahoma, then the Texas.

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
Yeah, you hate Texas or you hate Oklahoma and vice versa,
because number one, they come into your state, get some
of your guys that were supposed to come to you.
But then also too, for a lot of those stoops years,
you couldn't beat.

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
Them, right, So it's the exact same thing that you
would say for Texas, A and M and LSU because
of for a while, you haven't been able to beat them.
You beat them this year. You went to Death Valley
and you got Brian Kelly fired because of how bad
you beat them. Yeah, and you know, it's something that
I never thought i'd say, thanks, Aggie, so I do.
I do genuinely appreciate it. But my point being is
that there's a reason for the disdain. Like, like, the

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thing that I look at is like you're always trying
to find reasons to go about and say, oh, well,
the reason I don't like this team is because if
they can't beat us. It's like, yeah, but you're supposed
to hate teams for a lot of other reasons. Like
perfect example, I say, because of I do podcasting and
I cover college football regularly, I hate all one hundred
and thirty six teams equally. I hate all of you.
I do not like a single one of you, because
therefore you know that I'm coming in with an unbiased autude.

(01:52:00):
But when it comes to the Texans and when it
comes to covering the Texas, I hate all thirty one
teams with the same amount of fire that I would
except for Houston. But there are two teams that I
want to see crash and burn every opportunity that they
take the field. Indianapolis and Jacksonville, I hope that I
hope that you end up losing everything possible.

Speaker 4 (01:52:20):
Including your name, you're branding, your livelihood.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
You never get an opportunity, And for Jacksonville specifically, I
hope that you crash and burn on Sunday. And I'm
going to be the very first one. We are going
to open the show on Monday morning, hopefully playing cool
in the gang celebration and all of the turnovers from
Trevor Lawrence because of how bad of a performance it's
going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
Gill and John see you right there speaking of you know,
having your belief that Buffalo is going to go in
there and win. Somebody or something has the same belief,
and we'll share that with you too. After we talk
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Speaker 4 (01:52:58):
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Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
Age down. The Morning Drive continues. Now now here's d and.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
Cold Someone three two on two five seven ninety is
the way to get in and uh we'll fire up
the conversation with Gil who wants to weigh in.

Speaker 4 (01:53:20):
Gil, Good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 7 (01:53:24):
So I understand you're you're saying about.

Speaker 15 (01:53:26):
The Jaguars and the Coats, but the team I hate
the most is the Titans because bug Bud Adams and
his daughter, well he did, but his daughter is just
as bad as he is.

Speaker 3 (01:53:37):
That's that's totally sorry. Have that pure animosity for that franchise.
You should, But I view them as a joke and
has a laughing stock. So they're not even that they're
out of side, out of.

Speaker 4 (01:53:45):
Mind for me.

Speaker 7 (01:53:47):
Well, no, you know, I'm sixty five years old.

Speaker 15 (01:53:49):
Group with the understand that I couldn't stand effect that
he just took off, and and now Amy's worse than
he is.

Speaker 7 (01:53:55):
She's very, very she she she wears Orders.

Speaker 15 (01:53:58):
Uniforms every once in a while, and she doesn't let
us have the name back, which I mean i'd actually
take I would take the name back and change it
to the Orders again if they gave us that opportunity.
But yeah, I grew up with the Texans also and
season ticket for twenty something years. But now it's to me,
it's it's to me, it's the Titans, and I can't
stand them, and then they went to the Super Bowl,
you know, a couple of years, three years down road,

(01:54:20):
so got to pissed me off. But anyway, that's the
way I feel about it. I don't know about anybody else,
but uh yeah, the Amy's sheasy b So that's my feelings.

Speaker 4 (01:54:32):
I appreciate, right, appreciate car Gil.

Speaker 3 (01:54:34):
He's more than allowed to have his opinion. And I
completely get that because if you feel betrayed, you feel
like that that team left you in a spot to
where they want to go ahead and move on. It's
like it's it's almost like watching you know, as a
team this weekend is going to be playing for a
shot at the National championship and not having a coach
because he went to the greener pastors.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
It's also theo too, I mean it was, you know,
Bud Adams being Bud Adams. He continued to troll the
city of Houston like every season, if he drove by
his house in River Road, you would see that they
had the Columbia blue shutters on the windows and he
had the oiler flag out there. And of course too,
as he mentioned, Amy Adams shrunk when they would played
the Texans that was, you know, just coincidentally the day

(01:55:11):
that they decided to make the Oilers Day there in Tennessee.
So it's just like, okay, well then do that and
then lose both times, and they did both times. But
I mean, look, I also get that there's a generation
of Texan fans who I mean they've heard about, you know,
the Titans used to be the Oilers, but they never

(01:55:32):
saw them. They had no connection to the Oilers whatsoever.
So it's just like, you know, to them, the Titans
are just another team, right, Okay, who's an old school
team that you remember watching? So LSU Florida, it's not
a rivalry. You beat the Brakes off of Florida every
single time you play them. M Alabama Tassy In Nick
Saban's era, Tennessee won a one time.

Speaker 4 (01:55:54):
Yeah, one time. That's not a rivalry. Like as much
as you can say it's a rivalry.

Speaker 3 (01:55:59):
You ask any old school ahead about tennis about third
Saturday in October best game of the year. Every single time.

Speaker 4 (01:56:05):
It was better than the Iron Bowl. So there has
to be value to it.

Speaker 3 (01:56:08):
So for an old schooler like Gil who's calling on
in and asking about like how you know, what's the
biggest game. You feel betrayed that Bud Adams moved the
team out of Texas, and then you had an opportunity
to bring back the Oilers because Houston bought a team,
and Bob mcnahir want to go ahead and bring back
the Oilers. And it was CONVERSATIOND about it, and he's like,

(01:56:29):
you know what, now, I want to be so petty
that you can't have it. You can never have it.
And when I die, I want to make sure that
my kid she gets to.

Speaker 4 (01:56:38):
Go ahead and put herself in a position to.

Speaker 3 (01:56:41):
Where now she's gonna display the logo and the jerseys
and bring back all of the nostalgia. But as a
reminder that we didn't think that you were good enough.
So guess what, I get that reasoning. But for a
younger generation, Jacksonville talks Matt Smack, Indianapolis wasn't painting your
side for a decade.

Speaker 2 (01:57:00):
I get the reason why those two mean a little
bit more. Yeah, I mean that's and it's definitely two
in recent years meant a lot more. But I mean
I mean it's the other part too that I don't
think we've discussed enough with this is you know another
thing that goes into a rivalry is if your team
hasn't beaten the other one. I mean, that's that's what
it makes you have even more animosity towards them. It

(01:57:22):
makes you even more sensitive to their fan trash talk
on Twitter, all of those things.

Speaker 4 (01:57:27):
So, I mean, I think that's kind of part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:30):
But I mean, you know, for the Texans, it's still
one of those things that it's an organization.

Speaker 4 (01:57:35):
That's really not all that old. It's what twenty three
years old?

Speaker 2 (01:57:38):
Now, yeah, so I mean you you haven't had much
of a track record of success. So now I mean
the late last the least last three years, you're getting
that track record of success.

Speaker 3 (01:57:50):
But at the same time, I look at it from
the standpoint of she brought up like, how yeah, there's right,
Like there's fan bases that we you'll chirt back at.
Like until you went in the playoffs against Kansas City,
Kansas City still has Houston's number. Until you win against
Baltimore in the playoffs, Baltimore still has your number. Those
are two teams that have been able to consistently beat
you New England to a certain extent, Yeah, you weren't

(01:58:12):
able to beat New England back when Bill O'Brien was here,
because and trust me, nobody did. Oh it was almost
impossible to beat Tom Brady in the and that franchise.
But still the point still stands. Until you beat them.
It's hard for you talk smack. But like Denver, I'm
not listening to your crap, Pittsburgh, sit down and shut up, losers.

Speaker 4 (01:58:30):
I'm not listening to Indianapolis. I'm not listening to Jacksonville.

Speaker 3 (01:58:33):
You haven't played me, Los Angeles, the Chargers, good god man,
Like you're a joke of a franchise. People don't even
go to your get. You had to pay for people
to go to your games. You had to pay for
sound to be echoed on in just to make it
sound again if they play the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
I don't know if most of that is going to
come up, but that's a valid point by you, because
I mean, yeah, you'd face them numerous times, not only
in the playoffs, but also too in other meaningful regular
season games, and that seemingly never went your way.

Speaker 4 (01:59:02):
But you did last season.

Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
You kicked the crap out.

Speaker 2 (01:59:04):
But it's also though, too, that I think most people
now realize that there was no Patriots way. It was
the tom Brady Way, so he's not there anymore. So
it's kind of like, all right, they're not the same organization.

Speaker 3 (01:59:13):
Yeah, I'm gonna call it the tom Brady effect because
of the Patriot Way and the tom Brady Way just
seems like the exact same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:59:19):
Someone three two one two five seven ninety John on
the northwest side, Good morning, John.

Speaker 7 (01:59:25):
Hey man, what's up? How y'all doing.

Speaker 4 (01:59:29):
Doing well?

Speaker 14 (01:59:30):
Man?

Speaker 13 (01:59:30):
How are you?

Speaker 7 (01:59:31):
I was fine?

Speaker 15 (01:59:32):
Hey, look man, let me tell you, I understand what
Larry's talking about. Back in the day with the Pittsburgh
Steelers and the Houston Knowledge the Euston Knowlist had great
teams that could have won championships, but there was just
one primally the Steel Curtain. They was just a little
bit better.

Speaker 7 (01:59:47):
And that's all it was to that.

Speaker 15 (01:59:49):
Uh, that was about hatred and stuff like that. Let
me take you the real rivalry. The real rivalry has
always been you know, when your wife, when your wife
divorced you in she take off with another man and
go to another state. R that's personal. That's very personal
for me. It's always been the Titans when.

Speaker 7 (02:00:09):
They left here, when the Usteron Alls left here and
went to Tennessee, I did not follow them because I
knew we were going to get another team. This was
a really large state. I didn't follow them. Frankly, I
don't understand how some guys call in and talk about
being a Tennessee fan. I mean, I'm like.

Speaker 15 (02:00:24):
Jesus man, your girlfriend or your wife with you and
went to another state and you still followed them.

Speaker 11 (02:00:30):
Wow.

Speaker 15 (02:00:31):
It's never been the coach with Peyton Manning. Because Peyton
Manning and them they were good, and the coach came
into our division of us some years later. It's never
been them. It's always been the Titan. When the Titans
played the Rams, I think in the Super Bowl, I
was hoping they would never win, because listen, it's bad

(02:00:51):
when your.

Speaker 7 (02:00:52):
Wife leave you for another man and you look around,
you're not doing so good and your wife is doing
real well with that other man. No, it's personal, bro,
it's personal. And one mold thing. Man.

Speaker 15 (02:01:04):
Let me give y'all the name of the defense, because
it's time. The name of the defense is the Bullet
Bar Crew. I tell you why and lot it's called
our team bullies, and we got a bull on our helmet.
The bullet board Crew or the smash Crew or the
the Haunting Crew, But I really like the bullet Board Crew.

Speaker 7 (02:01:26):
Y'all throw that around and see what you think about it.
Y'all have a good one.

Speaker 2 (02:01:30):
Man, Hey, I see John appreciate it. I mean, no, look,
it's one of those that, like, I'm not telling you
to not still have hate and animosity towards the Seilers,
but I also just I am taking it from the
other side where it's like I get it, where you're
not going to have a ton of people who are
going to be on your side with it, because most
people who watch this team now didn't live that.

Speaker 3 (02:01:52):
No, but y'all also brought up a really good point.
It's like watching your wife leave and go to another state.
So old missus biggest rival from here on outus to
be LSU because and they're very well on their right
to be, just like every single ole ahead that lives
in the city should hate the Titans. But the Titans
are not going back to the playoffs anytime soon. The
Titans were such an incomparable franchise that they watched a

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Coach of the Year candidate leave because they thought that
they could do better than him. And now he is
three games away from playing in a super Bowl for
a franchise that actually knows how to win.

Speaker 4 (02:02:24):
So I'm sorry, Like I think that way it comes
to the Titans.

Speaker 3 (02:02:27):
For me, it's not a disrespect factor because I completely
understand what this city has gone through whenever they face
off against a scene. But to me, it quite lily
is like in that scene of Madman, who's like, I
pity you. I don't even think about you. I don't
even think about you for a second because you want
to why you're never gonna sniff the CJ. Stroud era
of success with the current regime that you have run

(02:02:50):
in the program mad Men.

Speaker 4 (02:02:51):
What a show. I just I just want to thank you.
That's what the money is for.

Speaker 3 (02:02:57):
What an amazing line overrated show. Yeah, well, you're wrong,
and that's fine. It's not wrong. It's an opinion.

Speaker 4 (02:03:03):
That's the beautiful thing about opinions, Dan, there are no
such things.

Speaker 2 (02:03:06):
That's also my opinion to say that you're wrong, right,
any two opinions going, you know, going against each other,
it's fine.

Speaker 4 (02:03:11):
It's right for you to have your opinion. I completely
disfiget you.

Speaker 2 (02:03:14):
With it, all right, there you go. I appreciate it,
all right. So the Texans chances for making it to
the Super Bowl. How great are they? Well, at least
something out there thinks they know. We'll discuss as we
get into the nine o'clock hour. Right here, it is
the Morning Drive with Dan and Coles Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 9 (02:03:32):
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You mean, this is the Morning Drive with Dad and Cole.

Speaker 2 (02:03:59):
Back on the practice Fiel getting ready for Monday night
against the Steelers in Pittsburgh, part of a wild card weekends.
Someone thirty two and two five seven ninety is the
way to get in? How is the playoffs going to
play out this season? So in the age of chat
GPT in AI, you know, obviously you know the people

(02:04:19):
will do it all the time. Hey, can you predict
the next thirty World Series winners?

Speaker 15 (02:04:24):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (02:04:24):
And then you know, of course twenty twenty nine, Hey,
your team's gonna win again. You know just all of that.
So are you asking me to go ahead and prodict
the next thirty World Series winners?

Speaker 13 (02:04:33):
I can?

Speaker 4 (02:04:34):
I mean if you want to? Okay?

Speaker 3 (02:04:36):
So, next season's gonna be the Phillies and the Red
Sox and the Marlins and the Reds and the Red
Sox and the Red Sox and the Astros. Uh, then
we can go with the Yankees. They're gonna wait like
over ten years for the next Astros World Series. Yeah,
wait six Yuers for the next Astro Castros, Astros, Astros Astros.
Then I'm gonna go with about fifteen more Astros. And
just to go ahead and close some things out, we'll
go with the Mets, We'll go with the Reds, and

(02:04:57):
we'll go with the Cups.

Speaker 2 (02:04:58):
All right, So us say today A used Microsoft co
Pilot AI generated chat GPT kind of thing to predict
the playoff and going through it the AFC, the Patriots
beat the Chargers.

Speaker 4 (02:05:14):
Twenty three to twenty one, kind of feel like it's
gonna be more than that.

Speaker 3 (02:05:17):
I actually think of that as gonna be the score, okay,
or twenty four to twenty, But I do think it
will be a back and forth all the way down
to the wire.

Speaker 2 (02:05:23):
And Microsoft co Pilot agrees with you on the bills
going to Jacksonville twenty six to twenty three.

Speaker 3 (02:05:28):
Final, thirty five to ten Final really, you're that confident,
They're not are you taking Are you that confident or
do you want to see it happen?

Speaker 4 (02:05:40):
Which one?

Speaker 1 (02:05:40):
Is it both?

Speaker 4 (02:05:42):
Yes, They're not a good franchise.

Speaker 3 (02:05:45):
I'm not gonna let people continue to be blinded by
Liam Cohen's success to hide the fact that Trevor Lawrence
eventually playing in January is gonna lead a mediocrity.

Speaker 4 (02:05:55):
I'm not gonna let it happen.

Speaker 2 (02:05:57):
All right, So the Texan's going to Paysburg. Good news
that Texans do win if this does play out. The
bad news is it's closer than you'd probably like twenty
to sixteen. I was just saying, is it over under
twenty one point scored?

Speaker 15 (02:06:10):
No?

Speaker 4 (02:06:10):
Right there at twenty so the magic number. I'm fine
with it. So win's a win? Yeah, win, Move on.

Speaker 3 (02:06:16):
Texans defense comes up clutch, you get a big time
stop of the fourth quarter Kyami fairbandrols two field goals
from fifty plus yards called out of victory.

Speaker 4 (02:06:24):
All right.

Speaker 2 (02:06:24):
So in the NFC side, you got the Bears, Eagles,
and Rams all moving on to the next round. So
that would be two home teams, one road team moving Okay, Yeah,
no surprices so if Buffalo did indeed win, then they
would be the lower seeds, so they would go to
Denver and take on the Broncos, and at least a
Microsoft co pilot has Buffalo beating Denver again.

Speaker 3 (02:06:46):
Game because of Microsoft co pilot is smart and they
understand that bow Nix is overrated and the Broncos don't
scare anybody, and experience in the playoff matters.

Speaker 4 (02:06:54):
So congratulations, a computer is smarter than us.

Speaker 2 (02:06:57):
Here is where even though you've kind of bucked the
trend a little bit of you know, not going in
as a divisional winner, that you go in as a
wild card. So hey, you know it's something new. Maybe
maybe that's just the path that Texans need. Well, it's
the same result in divisional round because they have the
Patriots beating the Textans twenty three to twenty.

Speaker 4 (02:07:17):
Now, the computer sucks that. This is why you can't
trust computers.

Speaker 3 (02:07:20):
This is why, you know, you got to understand the
human brain is much morder than anything that was seen
technology pies.

Speaker 2 (02:07:25):
And then the NFC side, they would have the Seahawks
beating the Rams twenty seven to twenty, and then you
would have the Egals. Yeah, the Seahawks beating the Rams
twenty seven.

Speaker 4 (02:07:35):
O kay, why are we listening to the computer. The
computer is a common error. It's stupid. It has no
knowledge whatsoever. And then the Eagles beat the Bears twenty six,
twenty three.

Speaker 3 (02:07:45):
Sure whatever. At this point, they've already pissed me off enough.
So who do they have one in the Super Bowl?
Let's just go with that.

Speaker 2 (02:07:50):
Yeah, so they would have the Bills went in the AFC.
They would have the Seahawks winning their Bills went in
the AFC. Excuse me, the Bills went in the NFC
and then the Super Bowl. I mean, I guess, like
you said, the computer is stupid. The Seahawks would beat
the Bills a.

Speaker 4 (02:08:04):
Hundred percent is stupid.

Speaker 3 (02:08:05):
You can't tell me in any scenario that Sam Darnold
is beating Josh Allen in a Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (02:08:11):
So it would be you know, Sam Donald not only
beating Josh Allen, but then beating Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 1 (02:08:17):
And then.

Speaker 3 (02:08:20):
At least I can see that happened.

Speaker 4 (02:08:21):
Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 3 (02:08:22):
No, again, it's stupid. It's gonna be it's gonna be
the Texans of the Bills in the AFC. That's going
to happen. So if the Texans are going to get
the host the conference championship game because they're higher seed
than Buffalo, and then you will see the Rams go
and the Rams will go face off against the winner
of the AFC. And I know that I'm gonna get
a lot of pushback for this one, I understand, but

(02:08:44):
I think the Rams are gonna win the super Bowl.
That's nice to take right now. I could be entirely
wrong and about foot in about what would it be
seventy two hours when Carolina pulls off the upset all
upsets in round one. But I do not see a
scenario in any way, shape or form where you look
at right now buff and Houston and their experience and
that they are not going to be able to make
a run of the playoffs. Computers are stupid, ladies and gentlemen.

(02:09:07):
I commonly will tell you this. The common brain is
smarter than what you see online. Just because if you
can type it into a computer doesn't mean it's always right.
Check your facts, get.

Speaker 4 (02:09:16):
Your facts straight.

Speaker 2 (02:09:17):
But at least if this were to play out, I
mean a divisional round loss again, it would be just
a man, you know, like, is this ever really going
to happen, like I mean, I understand that. You know,
you would have felt a lot better being like a
top two seed and you would have felt like that
you're going to be at home for most of it.

Speaker 3 (02:09:36):
But you also said it numerous times though too. You
were like, no, you've done that road, you know, you know,
you know how that road looks. Do something a little different. Well,
I would go about it a different way. The thing
you haven't done is be a top two seed, so
that is, you know, different, and you would get a
first divisional round home playoff game, So that would be interesting.
There's no way that there's no way they could host

(02:09:56):
a division round playoff game, right, There's.

Speaker 2 (02:09:58):
No way they would host a divisional round. I was
going to say, the only way that they can come
back and play at NRG Stadium this season as if, yeah,
either LA or Buffalo make it to the NFC Chase.

Speaker 3 (02:10:09):
Because of my prediction and how I think it's going
to go, rather they play against the Bill, I mean
where they play against the Jet, the Patriots or the Broncos.
The Texans and the Bills will be meeting at NRG
Stadium middle of January to close out the AFC.

Speaker 4 (02:10:23):
You're manifesting it, You're making it happen.

Speaker 3 (02:10:24):
That's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (02:10:25):
I'm telling you right now, that's that's what's gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (02:10:27):
The predictor the mind of Cole Thompson, who can see
into the future. Fortune teller Cole is predicting that the
Bills and the Texans will meet at NRG Stadium on
a Sunday afternoon for a shot at the Super Bowl title. Now,
the only question I have with that is, if indeed
they do play in the AFC Championship Game, will they
have somebody of the cloth bless the field, like you

(02:10:50):
know the Steeler said, a priest come out there with
holy water and bless the Akroscher Stadium.

Speaker 5 (02:10:56):
See.

Speaker 3 (02:10:56):
The problem is is that is that Pittsburgh need a
freaking miracle to be a to pull off a win
against Baltimore. The Texans don't need a miracle.

Speaker 4 (02:11:02):
They're that good. I love the meme that I saw
or that.

Speaker 2 (02:11:06):
Yeah, it was a meme of the kick from Tyler
Loop where it on the left side, had Mike tom no, no, no,
it had it had John Harbaugh fired right in the middle,
Mike Tomlin fired on the right John Harbaugh fired, I
love it.

Speaker 3 (02:11:21):
No, I mean because you're guess, let's be real, would
it surprise you if the if the Steelers moved off
of Mike Tomlin with a loss.

Speaker 2 (02:11:28):
It would have surprised me much more than maybe now
that we've talked about it yesterday's news did I guess?
It's just it's not a Steeler's thing. That's not what
they do. They don't hire and fire coaches.

Speaker 4 (02:11:38):
But they eventually move off of guys after twenty years
and what year is he on?

Speaker 2 (02:11:42):
But in nineteen did they ever really move off of
Chuck Nole or Chuck Normer moved off of the game.

Speaker 3 (02:11:47):
He said that he was done okay, and then the
same deal with with what's his name with Kawor, but
he also was willing to pursue other avenues. When he
decided to leave, he called it a career himself and said,
I'm stepping back.

Speaker 4 (02:11:58):
So what if Mike Tomlin wanted to the same thing
one year off?

Speaker 3 (02:12:02):
His value is not going to go anywhere, because think
about it, there will be teams that are lining up
right now having a conversation with ownership. What if Mike
Tomlin gets fired on Tuesday or what if he says
I'm partying ways, you will have an organization or two
that will say I want to fire my coach if
I know I can get Mike Tomlin, because I still
think that he's earned the respect over the last two

(02:12:24):
decades of success saying hey, I just see a culture change,
I just see a change of location. Sometimes moving is
the best thing for me. You know, it's not a
bad of a deal because I'm telling you that I
think that John Harbott will be the next side coach
of the New York Giants. And I think that the
Giants in three years will be a playoff team because
of who they hired as their head coach, because I
still think he's a damn good coach. But I also

(02:12:45):
think that Baltimore next season will be in the playoffs
because if they literally just need a jolt, they need
a face slift.

Speaker 4 (02:12:51):
They don't need a lot of change in the locker room.

Speaker 3 (02:12:53):
That's all it is.

Speaker 2 (02:12:55):
Someone three two on two five seven ninety eddies see
you right there, Orkie into the conversation. You want to
join them again? Seven one three two one two five
seven ninety. Could temptation hit the Texans this offseason? We'll
discuss that as well here as we continue. It is
the Morning Drive with Dan and Cole Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 6 (02:13:14):
Dan Matthews, Cole Thompson. This is the Morning Drive with
Dan and.

Speaker 2 (02:13:20):
Cole and Eddie and Katie wants to do exactly that.
Good morning, Eddie. Yeah, he doing good.

Speaker 13 (02:13:29):
Man.

Speaker 12 (02:13:31):
I just want to timement real quick on what you
were just talking about. There is actually a way that
the divisional route can come through Houston. You're a AFC
championship through Houston.

Speaker 4 (02:13:41):
Yeah, You're all three.

Speaker 5 (02:13:42):
Wild card teams win LA beats uh, New England, Buffalo
beats Jacksonville, and Buffalo would come to Houston for the
Divisional and LA would go to Denver for the Divisional
yours LA or wins that one and we beat Buffalo,
then AFC Championship game would be the Chargers versus Houston

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and Houston.

Speaker 3 (02:14:05):
Right, Eddie, Come on, man, let's let's be real for
a second here. Do you really think that we're gonna
see Justin Herbert win a playoff game?

Speaker 12 (02:14:15):
I'm sorry, I'm one of the people that feels that
New England is untested. I think I pull it off.
He's I mean, his O lines rough, but Herbert's not bad.
I mean, he does some crazy stuff, and I mean
I know that team's a one man team basically, but
I think it is possible. I think it is going
to be the first test for New England and the

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first I mean, even though the Chargers haven't done well
in the playoffs, they've been there before. At least I
think Drake May this might be too much for him,
even if it is at fox Borough and Chargers can
upset the Patriots. I mean, I'm hoping for it because
I'd like to have the divisional game.

Speaker 7 (02:14:51):
You in Houston.

Speaker 4 (02:14:52):
Well, who wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (02:14:52):
But I here's why I will say with you, Eddie.
They are losing in the second round Buffalo Houston. It
does not matter. They're going to crowns. They're gonna beat
the breaks. They're going to polarize, they're going to punish,
they're going to eviscerate Drake May for the first time.
Because you're right, he hasn't been tested and he had
a fourth place schedule and he got.

Speaker 4 (02:15:12):
Very lucky with a lot of the breaks that he had.
So congratulations, MVP.

Speaker 3 (02:15:16):
Go walk your happy little Keister back into year three
where you can actually go ahead and now have a
first play schedule and prove that you're as good as
you think that you are. It's gonna happen in the
divisional round. It's not happening with Justin Herbert though.

Speaker 12 (02:15:28):
Completely understand. I mean again, I'm just optimistic because I
would like the Divisional Round and the AFC Championship Round
to go through Houston, just for the sake of being
able to go to those games. And I'd like to
have the rematch of Buffalo here as Houston, the Thursday
night rematch in the divisional game as well, because I
think that's going to be probably the best opportunity for

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us to take out Buffalo, because they are the one team,
like you stayed earlier, that I'm worried about during this AFC.

Speaker 4 (02:15:58):
Run dream, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:16:00):
Appreciate the call Eddie in the You know, as Eddie
was talking to us, William had actually pointed that out
too on on Twitter, where he had said that if
you get both the Bills and Chargers winning this weekend,
then yeah, okay, and indeed you you can be here
the following weekend.

Speaker 3 (02:16:15):
I understand what everyone is saying.

Speaker 8 (02:16:17):
I do.

Speaker 4 (02:16:18):
I'm going to use the Trevor Lawrence theory again until
he does it.

Speaker 3 (02:16:24):
Justin Herbert in the playoffs is able to catapult his
team to a win.

Speaker 4 (02:16:30):
I'm not believing he can do it.

Speaker 15 (02:16:32):
I'm just not.

Speaker 3 (02:16:34):
And then I hear all of the people and you
know what. For the longest time, I have been pro TV,
I've been pro Justin Herbert.

Speaker 4 (02:16:40):
I really have.

Speaker 3 (02:16:41):
I have been on arguments with two other hosts that
work here. One host and I have gotten in a
screaming match about what I think of Justin Herbert, and
I have the cave and I have to say he's
right and I'm wrong. I can I take a guess
of who either of those hosts are. Yes, it was
definitely Adam Wexler.

Speaker 4 (02:16:56):
You are on one. Yes, that was one of the
safe but yes, please go on, how'd that go?

Speaker 3 (02:17:04):
Because if it wasn't wex it was the other one,
I'm being sarcastic. Of course it was the.

Speaker 4 (02:17:10):
Go ahead. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (02:17:12):
You have a great defense, you have a head coach
that you trust. You have a good offensive personnel, the
upgrade your rushing attack. You have a second you have
a third place schedule, You have a very balanced overall identity,
Your defense is bailing you out of trouble left and right.
And ye's still every single Monday we come on to
ESPN or we go on to another sports talk show,

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and it's what more can we do to help build
around Justin Herber because if he's being wasted by management
and poor execution out in LA and it's like, what
more do you want to give him? I mean, what
more can you give him? At this point everything is
there for you to be successful, and you're still coming
up short, and you're still not having good offensive execution,

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and you're still part of the problem, and you're still
not seeing more development. And now you're telling me as
a sav and see playing on the road in Foxborough
on Sunday night, where the windshill is gonna be at
negative fifteen and the overall degree is gonna be at
twenty degrees, he without an offensive line, is gonna be
able to march on in and beat the MVP. Spare me.

Speaker 2 (02:18:16):
I mean, it's to me, Justin Herbert's the ultimate Matt
Thomas quarterback and he's fine.

Speaker 4 (02:18:21):
I mean, that's that's it.

Speaker 2 (02:18:22):
It's it's nothing out of him that necessarily like makes
me like say, like you know, oh man, Hey, you
gotta you gotta watch out for that guy.

Speaker 4 (02:18:29):
You gotta worry about that guy. He's fine. He's not great,
he's not off. The ultimate Matt Thomas quarterback is Jordan Love.
He's fine, He's fine.

Speaker 3 (02:18:37):
He's fine.

Speaker 4 (02:18:38):
That's all I always Hey, Matt, you know that food
looks good. That's fine.

Speaker 3 (02:18:43):
Jordan Jordan Love is gonna throw for four thousand yards
and have twelve interceptions. That's fine.

Speaker 2 (02:18:46):
I mean that was that was also Kirk Cousins for years,
and that's what that was the thing like where everybody, yeah,
like where everybody was like you know, hey, you know
fantasy football. It's like, all right, yeah, that's fine with
fantasy football, but he's gonna win your ball games. It's
like Mike Leach quarterbacks at Exis Tech for years. Hey,
this guy's going for thousands of yards.

Speaker 3 (02:19:03):
It's the system. Well, it's the system.

Speaker 4 (02:19:05):
That's the thing.

Speaker 3 (02:19:06):
Like people want to like people. There's a conversation that's
actually being had that Michael the Matt Lafleur may be
fired if they are to lose the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 2 (02:19:15):
Yeah, if that happens, Supposedly he would go to the
Falcons immediately.

Speaker 3 (02:19:18):
That should be that if you are Atlanta, you should
waste zero time making that phone call, like he should
be on the very next flight as soon as he
is fired because of guess what, it's a massive okuy
teams somehow constantly, I mean constantly overthink situations and it
puts them in such a bad position. The packers doing

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that would be the ultimate critical theory of you just
being dumb and not understanding how good you had it.

Speaker 4 (02:19:46):
Or either that or I mean, you know you feel
like that you could have somebody better in John Harbaugh.

Speaker 3 (02:19:51):
Yeah about the state. Okay, see, and now you're using
my logic against me, and I hate that you do that.
I hate that you did that because.

Speaker 2 (02:19:57):
You are right.

Speaker 3 (02:19:58):
Kind of a job, because because you are right, I'm
not going to apologize.

Speaker 4 (02:20:00):
But at the same time, I do.

Speaker 3 (02:20:02):
Think that he's going to go to the New York Giants.
I think he wants a challenge. I think that there's
a lot more when it comes to the money. That
is a challenge, a challenge that's a very big challenge,
but it's one that I think also would save Joe
Shane a little bit more time.

Speaker 4 (02:20:13):
It would give the organization a little bit more of
a fresh start.

Speaker 2 (02:20:15):
Hey, my brother's twin, Joe Shane. They look exactly alike.
It's kind of eerie, actually, Harbor and Shane. No, my
brother and Joe Shane.

Speaker 3 (02:20:23):
Ah maybe, but when you mentioned brothers like that, it's
just like I'm thinking immediately the harbas see, Like, how
am I supposed to go on that logic?

Speaker 4 (02:20:30):
My brother? Hey, hey, Jim, you know the news about
your brother getting fired.

Speaker 2 (02:20:35):
Yeah, you know, I mean we're so uh, you know,
built in deep with you know, going, you know, trying
trying to get after the New England Patriots and uh,
you know, talk to my brother a few times, and
you know, I feel bad for him.

Speaker 4 (02:20:48):
Nobody's a hell of coach. He'll find it way back in.

Speaker 2 (02:20:51):
You ever noticed that with him that he he almost
in a way like Jim Harbaugh's cadence is almost kind
of like Norm MacDonald telling a joke. No, just listen
to him like it's it's and then like he kind
of like tails off, like he kind of forgets what
he's talking about, and then we'll you know, yeah, you know,
it's just just what I said it was.

Speaker 4 (02:21:09):
How about I listened to instead?

Speaker 3 (02:21:11):
The theory of who do you want to be the
next I coach to Baltimore Ravens, because there is a
question out there that you go the exact same thing
with Michigan and go to the Harbaugh theory, which is
you bring in somebody from that coaching tree that just
is a new life. Jesse Menter would be a name
that you had mentioned for that.

Speaker 4 (02:21:25):
Yeah, that's that's one.

Speaker 2 (02:21:26):
I mean, that's the thing everybody else and that's you know,
like with buddy of mine, of you know, find somebody's
gonna make Lamar happy.

Speaker 4 (02:21:32):
I was like, okay, what Mike McCarthy.

Speaker 3 (02:21:34):
No, I'll tell you exactly who you go after. It's
a very simple hire. There should be no question about it.
Go get Brian Flores. Bring that mentality to Baltimore. Defensively,
it'll work offensively, it will absolutely crush because he will
build a.

Speaker 4 (02:21:47):
Staff up there.

Speaker 3 (02:21:48):
If they were to hire Brian Flores that for the
first time in a while, I would actually be intimidated
by Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (02:21:53):
Sean, that's the well I mean, well, but that's what
Baltimore has been built on for the longest time, is
you know, having really good defense and being a physical organization.

Speaker 3 (02:22:01):
The way that the Texans went out and brought in
Demico Ryans and people started to go, oh, crap, we
gotta worry about that defense. You bring Brian Flores back in,
you're getting vintage Baltimore Ravens defense.

Speaker 4 (02:22:13):
And that's the and that's the background for them.

Speaker 2 (02:22:15):
And it's also too if floraes, I think it's pretty
easy to see he was nowhere close to being at
fault in Miami. I mean remember that too. Oh, how
dare you say that about Tua? And then you've got
two of the other day, Hey, a fresh start, that
would be dope. It's like, okay, good, good luck finding
it somewhere else with that contract.

Speaker 3 (02:22:33):
To be fair, both were wrong for different reasons. One
was just wrong in the short term, but he ended
up being right and long.

Speaker 2 (02:22:39):
Yeah, that's that's why I think that Brian Flores now
is probably going to get another look.

Speaker 4 (02:22:43):
I mean, I understand, you know, the legal stuff, all
of that. You know that that's going along with going
to get another look.

Speaker 8 (02:22:48):
He will.

Speaker 3 (02:22:49):
If you were to ask me right now, will Brian
Flores be head coach in twenty twenty six, My gun
intuition says yes.

Speaker 2 (02:22:56):
Especially too, it's the way that that Minnesota defense played.
I don't I don't think you're wrong about that whatsoever.
All right, So the temptation for the Texans do want
to get into that also too before we get out
of here today, the transfer portal and the College Football Playoff,
just everything in particular, A couple of things on that
too that definitely want to get into. But the temptation

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for the Texans, that's what we're going to talk next.
So we'll do that right here on the morning Drive
with Dan and Coles. Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 1 (02:23:24):
We run on.

Speaker 6 (02:23:25):
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Speaker 2 (02:23:35):
The Rockets in Portland taking on the Blazers eight o'clock
Rockets launch pad for that, and shout out Kelvin Sampson,
Kingston Flemings and UH basketball last night, especially Kingston Flemings
nine points in the last two minutes to help the
Koogs beat Texas Tech sixty nine to sixty five. Fourteen
and one is their record now, So that's what we

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got here happening locally sports. The temptation with the Texans, now,
I've said a numerous times that it does look like
no matter what that you will.

Speaker 4 (02:24:08):
Get year two of Nick Kyley.

Speaker 2 (02:24:09):
That's going to be fun Nick, because I mean, for
the reasons that I believe, it's we didn't really have
a standout guy to play running back for you, so
let's try to fix that this offseason. You also were
thin at tight end outside of Dalton Schultz, and we've
resigned Brevin Jordan's so let's see what that could possibly
look like in the athleticism that you hope he can

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still have, especially coming off to knee knee surgeries, that
he's still going to be that guy. So I think
that that's probably in whatever else you know, they try
to do to improve the offensive line, I think that
there is a thought of let's keep some continuity and
let's keep this thing going, and then I think next year,
if you see a lot of the same in terms

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of production, then that's when they'll probably look at Nick
Cayley and say, hmmm, yeah, gotta move on.

Speaker 3 (02:24:57):
What's your record? What do you mean of the Texans?
Oh it's twelve and five.

Speaker 4 (02:25:02):
Yeah, I ain't firing him. That's all I need to say.

Speaker 3 (02:25:05):
I don't need to go into a full lung spiel
about what is the reasonings if you do and don't
keep him if he's hired as a head coach, which
he won't be, He's not going anywhere, all right. So
here's where I solved the problem within five seconds. But
here's where the temptation kind of comes in. So, like
I said, you know Luis c k one of my
favorite comedians.

Speaker 2 (02:25:23):
He's got a bit that says, of course, but maybe
so of course, you know, Nick Cayley keeps his job,
of course, but maybe you know because you've got Kevin
Stefanski now looking for a.

Speaker 3 (02:25:36):
Job, he's gonna be a head of coach. You've got
Cliff Kingsbury out there looking.

Speaker 4 (02:25:40):
For a job.

Speaker 3 (02:25:40):
It was fired, just like obviously looking your two.

Speaker 2 (02:25:43):
But at least those are names that you look at
and especially to like with a guy like Kingsbury, what
he was able to do with you know, Jaden Daniels
just last year and Daniels hurt this year.

Speaker 4 (02:25:54):
I think that was a big part of why their
offense looked the way it did.

Speaker 2 (02:25:57):
When he wasn't hurt. Well, I mean what about when
he wasn't hurt? Okay, I mean when when he wasn't hurt,
how many games did he play? Like five, six, so
there you go. I mean, like, what do we talk good?

Speaker 4 (02:26:08):
In those six games? He was fine. He wasn't as
good as he was last year, but he was still
he was the.

Speaker 3 (02:26:13):
Same thing that we saw from year one to year
two with Bobby Slowick and c. J. Stroud, the exact
same thing.

Speaker 2 (02:26:19):
So just it was it was the perception of you
didn't make the adjustments that the league adjusted to you,
and you could not respond.

Speaker 3 (02:26:26):
He regressed in every single capacity in seven games. Completion
percentage sixty nine percent to sixty point six, yards per
pass attempt seven point four to six point seven, no touchdown,
an interception ratio. That's not fair when you only play
in seven games, passer rating one hundred point one to
eighty eight point one, QBR sixty seven point seven to

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forty five point out. It's a state. It's everything regressed,
the play calling regressed, the overalls, a stigmatism, the ability
to resurvey the field, the ability to survey of the field,
the foot, the mechanics, all the things that you look
at in a quarterback that end up hurting your success.
I go with words, I make them up and then
the cry and guess what it ends up bringing more

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to my point, you're really not upgrading by bringing in
Cliff Kingsbury over Nick Kaylee. Maybe the personnel is gonna
be a little bit different, maybe it'll fit CJ slightly better.
But you went twelve and five, Like, this isn't an
argument for me because of if you're twelve and five,
you did enough right to feel content on where your

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team is. It's not like you were ten and seven
you missed the playoffs. If you were ten and seven
you miss the playoffs, we could have this conversation.

Speaker 2 (02:27:34):
This is a dumb reason, but just roll with me
on this. Because both of them do look like famous actors.
Oh god, where I mean, you know, the ladies would
love to have Cliff Kingsbury here because he looks almost
exactly like Ryan Gosling. You know it by the way,
I've heard that. I think it's I think it's where
when he wears the sunglasses it But then like in
the movie, it's crazy stupid love, that's it. Yeah, And

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then you know Nickkayley looks like Charlie Day, which I'm
a big fan of Charlie Day, but.

Speaker 3 (02:28:02):
He also plays an idiot and I'm always said he
in Philadelphia and he's always.

Speaker 4 (02:28:05):
Is he an idiot or is he a wildcard? No,
he proved that he was a wild card.

Speaker 3 (02:28:10):
He's an idiot. Charlie is the dumbest character I have
ever met, outside of probably the dude, what what's this?
What's what's the fat knit guy on on the Office?

Speaker 4 (02:28:19):
Kevin? Kevin Kevin, who actually is not a dumb guy, Brian.

Speaker 3 (02:28:24):
But like, here's the thing. They made Kevin Dummer over
the series. Do you remember, like in season one when
he actually had some valid opinions, but he would just
be droll. They made him an idiot, Like, they made
him to the point of where he couldn't function in society.
Charlie's worse than that because Charlie can and they let
him go out.

Speaker 2 (02:28:42):
It's funny too, because this has made its rounds on
social media that you could tell that Brian Baumgartner's character
as Kevin made Idris Elba break character in the middle
of a scene because he just you know, hey, this
is so and so when what's his name was was
introducing him to the office Steve Krarell, No, it wasn't

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Steve Carrell, it was God, what's what's character? Well, yes,
but who was the guy that was at the corporate
office for dunder Mifflin. What was his name, glasses. I'm
trying to remember his name. Not Ryan, No, it wasn't
Ryan anyway, what's Clinton? Clinton knows who it is. I
know who you're talking about to David something. Now this

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is going to bother me. Yeah, it's fine, we'll look
it up. I think most people know who I'm talking about.
But when he's introducing him, and he's standing there, you know,
quietly while he's being introduced, and then that's when you know,
Kevin goes hi and you can see yourself, Yeah, David
Wallace and you see uh and you see eris elbow
kind of smirk like who is this?

Speaker 3 (02:29:42):
They made him break so many times in that show,
and he was only on for four episodes. But if
you go back and you watch, they had so many
cuts that they could not put in because they were
racing film.

Speaker 2 (02:29:51):
They just allowed to break on. Here's a you know,
a take with that that I think some people are
going to push back on. I thought Robert California was
all Jams.

Speaker 4 (02:30:01):
Spader was the best, was the only reason to watch
watched that season. Do you feel like you're going to
be flattened. Jim.

Speaker 2 (02:30:08):
You see the fallacy that people have is that they
believe that the steamroller is the one at fault.

Speaker 4 (02:30:15):
Really it is the object. He is one of the
most underappreciated actors in Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (02:30:20):
Jim, would you like a metaphor, a nature medical metaphor
for him or a sexual metaph Robert California, I don't
need a metaphor.

Speaker 4 (02:30:27):
Back to the whole point of nature, nature Police, back to.

Speaker 3 (02:30:30):
The whole point of when it came to Hollywood and
actors and everyone else that looks like an office court, Like, Okay,
you're not upgrading, in my opinion, from Nick Cayley to
Cliff Kingsbury by that much. You're gonna pay a massive
buyout to get him out of his contract, and you're
gonna have to pay in a bidding war with other
teams for Cliff Kingsbury as a play caller, because whether

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or not you think that that the Texans need him,
there will be somebody out there that says, oh, I
can fix it, like we can easily fit he can
fix our problems, and it will be enough because of
what he did in the one season with Jayden Daniels,
Just like he did in the one season with Patrick Mahomes,
and he's living off of those laurels. So somebody will
convince themselves they can bring him on in as a
play call and it'll be that great. It'll end up

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being right around the same as what it was this
past season with Washington or what it's been with Houston,
because in my opinion right now, the Texans I think
need to at least give Kaylee one more year because
if you they go twelve and five, but also you
want to add in another running back, you want to
bullshitp the offensive line. Maybe having tanked down in this
offense is gonna add more validity to the explosive plays

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down the field. I don't know, but when you're twelve
and five, you're finding excuses for why your team struggled
so badly, you better have lost you if they fire
Nick Kaylee a bear me because the defense pitched a
shutout and it was a three to nothing game, because
your offense was held a undertowny yards.

Speaker 2 (02:31:52):
I just think that it's also too a lot to
blame on Kaylee. Is blame that actually should be on CJ. Stroud,
because I mean, I think it's mixed. I mean because
you know, for example, the intentional grounding the other day.
Those are things that you're just like, dude, year in
year three, you shouldn't be having that. And you know
it's also you know where you've been able to have
good offensive performances. But at the same time though, too,

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it just hasn't been a regular thing. I think that's
that's the biggest thing where you've seen this team have
to settle for field goals more often than not. And
it's also I think a lot of personnel because the
offensive line is not good enough to be able to
be able to win the line of scrimmage most times
in a short yarde situation.

Speaker 3 (02:32:34):
But that's the other thing, is that you got to
add in a short yardage back. If you're not going
to fix the offensive line, if you're going to run
it back with the same five dudes or let's just
say four dudes and you can bring in an offensive
tackle in the draft, you're going to have to get
situational options that are going to help elevate your offensive
personnel unless you get rid of your play caller. And
I don't see a scenario right now where you're going

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to fire Nick Kylee bearing a complete and total enplosion
in the playoffs. It would have to be to a
level of such incompetence where you're watching it be a
third and twenty three and they're running like that one
play with David Cally that everyone lost their freaking minds
over like they were inside the reds on.

Speaker 4 (02:33:11):
They like they ran it for like a gain of
one or something instead of trying to get it down.

Speaker 3 (02:33:14):
Feel like that's the level of incompetence you would have
to get after Nick Keylee to be out of a job.

Speaker 8 (02:33:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:33:19):
I mean, it's just again, I just think that there's
a lot working for him that is working against him.
And even with some of the names out there that would.

Speaker 4 (02:33:26):
Maybe intrigue you.

Speaker 2 (02:33:28):
I mean, you've you've convinced me now that I think
that there is absolutely no chance that it's Hey, you know,
the Texans have made calls about this guy.

Speaker 3 (02:33:37):
I'm sitting here and I'm asking myself, who is a
name outside of maybe Kevin Stefanski, which I will give
credit to, because I do think that when you are
a two time Coach of the Year candidate and you
revitalize the career of Joe Flacco enough to where somebody
said let's start him for a season. I think that's
warned enough to say you know offense, you know enough
about offense. I think that an organization is also looking

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at him and saying you know enough about winning, Because
if you did so with the Cleveland Frickin' Browns, and
you ended a playoffs droute twice and a twelve win
campaign with Blacko as your quarterback, I'm going to give
you a shot to run my team. One year deal.
If it ends up paying on out, you'll be a
great hire and we'll look smart as all hell. If
it doesn't, we know that you're better as a play caller.

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He's gonna be a head coach at twenty twice.

Speaker 4 (02:34:21):
It was gonna say Vegas. No, I would want no part.

Speaker 3 (02:34:24):
Of that, say Arizona, or I will say Tennessee is
where he ends up being the head coach text season.

Speaker 4 (02:34:29):
I yeah, those are because I mean those are the
two spots that are open right now. Yeah, for sure, I.

Speaker 3 (02:34:36):
Would say Arizona will make a ploy for him because
of they're going to get another quarterback in and they're
going to go ahead and hit reset on that position
and they'll give him time to work.

Speaker 2 (02:34:46):
Well, you know in terms of organizations and how they run.
You know, some do it well, some do it not
so well. Well, there's a story of dysfunction that has
finally made its way out there, and maybe we know
why one of the four guys is now out of
a job. We'll discuss us right here as it is
the Morning Drive with Dan and Cole Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 1 (02:35:04):
Said and Cole as the Morning Drive cruises on.

Speaker 2 (02:35:10):
That one three two one two five seven ninety, get
to the dysfunction in just a second.

Speaker 4 (02:35:16):
But Wood on the north side wants to wi end
good morning. Would hey, this is the.

Speaker 8 (02:35:20):
Issue with Nick Hayley and the receivers.

Speaker 7 (02:35:22):
They're not coaching up the receiver's properly.

Speaker 11 (02:35:25):
What's going on now, CJ.

Speaker 16 (02:35:27):
He's going with his first option. A lot of time,
when you go with your first option, you can go
to the second option. But the receivers are not running
the rouse properly. They're giving up on that route running
because they know CD is looking at this first route.
If they continue to run their ropes, they can clear
out them linebackers in safety, whereas you have more openings
for that first receiver.

Speaker 13 (02:35:48):
And the second receiver.

Speaker 16 (02:35:49):
But I noticed a lot of different times those receivers
are not running their routes all the way through because
they feel like the ball is not coming to them.
So what they're doing is that and the coaches need
the kid on him doing the game.

Speaker 11 (02:36:03):
It showed him doing.

Speaker 16 (02:36:04):
The feel one yo, wow, properly run it all the
way out.

Speaker 7 (02:36:08):
That can open up his offense.

Speaker 2 (02:36:11):
Appreciate the call, would uh? I mean, you know, look,
as we said, I mean a lot of stuff that
is out of Nick Kayley's control at times in terms
of how this offense runs. Like I mean, I think
that you can see concepts play out, and I mean
where we sit in the press box, you can also
see too where it's like CJ's got that guy open,
he's got that guy open, and then you know sometimes

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he'll throw underneath.

Speaker 4 (02:36:32):
All right, that's fine, that's that's on multiple occasions.

Speaker 3 (02:36:34):
How many opportunities there's been for a touchdown that you
just go ahead and see a dunk and dunkin.

Speaker 2 (02:36:38):
So, I mean, it's the play design is there, it's
just the execution of it sometimes is the issue. And
of course the OC is going to wear the front
of that much more than the player will. And we
get all of that, But I mean just overall though,
I mean it hasn't been like this has been like
an abject failure and a disaster.

Speaker 4 (02:36:54):
I think it started out that way.

Speaker 2 (02:36:56):
Like if if what you were doing early on the
season continued with Nick Kayley, he would have been gone
because it would have meant that you missed the playoffs
and that you had an incredibly disappointing season. And I
would have understood the calls for him to be gone.
But to the point you brought up they're twelve and five,
Like Lea, what are we really talking about.

Speaker 3 (02:37:15):
At a certain point, you're at a level of where
your defense is good enough to get you through a
four quarter game.

Speaker 4 (02:37:21):
If you can get twenty points, now that's really it.

Speaker 3 (02:37:24):
And like I will say, the last couple of games,
you have started to see a little bit more of
the cracks in the armor and the floodgates start to
fall on through and I average some questions and your
offense bail you out of trouble. If you give up
a touchdown pass. What if it's late in the fourth
quarter and we see Pittsburgh take a lead, are we
going to be able to watch as the offense response?
I get those things. But at the same time, you're

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twelve and four. Your defense for ninety eight percent of
the season has been the best in the NFL. On
top of that, you have special teams that have bailed
you out of trouble because of all you have to
do is to get in Kayimi Fairbaron's range, and it
feels like a lot. I mean, the guy had eighteen
points on Saturday. He had a record setting field goals
in a game. I mean, like, like, let let's just

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call as his it's mediocre, but the offensive line has
been mediocre. Whose fault is that that? Nikayle's No, you
got told these are your alignment, guess what, figure out
a way to work with them. Your run game has
been mediocre? Is that Nick Kaylee's fault?

Speaker 4 (02:38:19):
Partially?

Speaker 3 (02:38:20):
Is it also on the players that you have? No
he got told these are your running backs, figure out
how to work with them, and you still went twelve
and five. I mean, like I feel like a moron
sometimes sitting in this chair because of I'm arguing with
myself on yes, I know that there are bigger expectations
and there should be. There should be for having a
quarterback like CJ. Stroud, but at the same time, how

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are you going to sit here and say twelve and
five still not good enough like you had to give
and take. Are you willing to not have an elite
defense to have a slightly better offense? Okay, then go
ahead and higher an offensive coordinator, but then be giving
up twenty seven points per game.

Speaker 2 (02:38:55):
So at least there's never been dysfunctioned, even with the
struggles the offense at times this year. That was not
the case this year, according to ESPN in Las Vegas,
So they just put out a piece that kind of
goes into why Pete Carroll is won and done there
in Vegas and part of the piece says an agent
of a Raiders offensive lineman, said that his client told

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him that the position groups met multiple times on their
own with Gino Smith and Ashton Genty, specifically without the coaches,
so the quarterback and running back could talk them through
how they wanted the offensive line to create blocks.

Speaker 4 (02:39:29):
The agent told ESPN quote it was that bad.

Speaker 2 (02:39:33):
They were meeting on their own trying to figure it
out together, which I have never heard of in my
history of working in the league.

Speaker 4 (02:39:40):
There is some sort of nepotism going on.

Speaker 2 (02:39:42):
A fourth agent for a Raiders player said, this is
all about Brendan Carroll, who was the offensive line coach
for the Raiders. The offensive line coach is the biggest
issue on the team, said the agent of the Raiders
offensive lineman in December. Everybody knows and nobody talks about
it because it's Pete's son. Everyone is talking about it
behind the scenes, but no one is saying it publicly.

Speaker 3 (02:40:05):
So you're saying that nepotism got in the way and
that led to a three and fourteen record.

Speaker 4 (02:40:10):
Well, were they three and fourteen? I thought they were
two and fifteen. No, they won their last game against
what's against Kansas City.

Speaker 8 (02:40:16):
No, they did.

Speaker 4 (02:40:17):
They won because they went up against a third string quarterback. Okay,
that's what. It didn't matter because what's their name?

Speaker 7 (02:40:21):
One?

Speaker 4 (02:40:22):
So they got the number one overall pick because of it.
But I mean that's just it.

Speaker 2 (02:40:24):
I mean, like we've heard of you know, remember Terrell
Owens accusing Jason Witt and Tony Romo and Jason Garrett
having secret meetings without him. Yeah, I mean, like that's
the only other time I think I've ever heard of this,
because the meetings that go on like that all the
time in the NFL. I mean, you just don't hear
about it. But more often than not, it's a small
group of like, you know, hey, this is what we
want to do, and then they take it to the

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coach and they're like, hey, you know, we're kind of
going through this.

Speaker 4 (02:40:47):
What do you think of this? You know, how do
you think we can implement it?

Speaker 2 (02:40:50):
Like I think there's stuff like that, but it sounds
like with this like there was like the hey, here's
the offensive meeting and you know, the offensive line meeting,
and then it's you know after that, it's, yeah, hey,
everything that guy just said is bs.

Speaker 4 (02:41:02):
Don't don't pay attention to a single word.

Speaker 3 (02:41:03):
He said, Well, he got hired because of who was
who was running the program, his dad. So why are
you thinking that this was ever gonna be someone that
you listened to, Like, if you actually are really good
at your job, then guess what you're going to be
hired off of merrit. You got hired because of your
dad got back to the NFL, and you don't want
to be coaching underneath jeded Fish anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:41:20):
That was it, And I mean that's the thing is
that I mean, it's seemingly is what played out, and
I mean I understand, you know, some of that can
kind of creep in. Like take Arthur Smith for example,
Like that's one thing that he was able to fight
against throughout his entire career, despite the fact that I
know that when he was with Washington, somebody was like, Hey, Arthur,
is your dad gonna buy the team? And he was like,

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you know, somebody was like, hey, what is he talking about.
He's like, no, nothing, right Then they found out later
it was, oh, yeah, your dad's the CEO.

Speaker 3 (02:41:46):
Of dad's the CEO of FedEx and he's the offense
coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's like saying apples and
that's like saying apples and Crown Royal birch proms. I'm
just saying that your reputation precedes you.

Speaker 2 (02:42:00):
If you are perceived as being a guy that's only
there because of their dad, then you're gonna.

Speaker 4 (02:42:04):
Be born because your dad, and that was why you
were disrespected, And that's it.

Speaker 2 (02:42:08):
But I mean if it's also though too, it's like, yeah,
you know, maybe that was a foot in the door,
but he actually is a hell of a coach.

Speaker 3 (02:42:15):
He's not a hell of a coach. Everyone knows that well, and.

Speaker 2 (02:42:17):
That played out this year the way it did for sure,
all right, T's Cole Thompson triple, Emmanuel Elmore, Dan Matthews,
it's been the Morning Drive with Dan and Coles. Sports
Talks seven ninety stick and stay because you got the
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Speaker 4 (02:42:32):
Ross is here. We will talk to you in twenty hours.