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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Okay, So I was gonna ask you, because I saw
Saving Private Ryan was on yesterday, what is the best
World War two movie is? Because I think Saving Private
Ryan might be the best World War two movie. Now,
keep in mind, it can be a movie that doesn't
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necessarily have gun fighting or battles in it, like Schindler's
List for example, right, or Oh, what's the Beautiful Day?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
What is it with the kid?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
What's his name? And the kid and he stands on them?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I'll have to look it up.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I don't remember it.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
That Christmas movie?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Now, Schindler List.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Nope, just said Schindler's List. The Pianist, Nope. That's a
great movie with Aidan Brody.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yeah, yeah, Adrian Brody.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I don't know which one.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Your Life is beautiful? Oh fantastic?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Uh uh?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Inglorious Bastards not a true World War two movie.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Still set in that time, though?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
You are you even sure that those things existed? Not
that that matters.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I mean, Dunkirk was decent, but I agree, I think
Saving Private Ryan was better.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
There's a lot of them here that I have never seen.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Wasn't Brad pitten Fury? Yes, that one wasn't bad.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
It's got Inglorious Bastards listed as a World War two movie. Okay,
I'm going with a Glorious Bastards. That's a damn good movie.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It is a good movie. The acting in it is
top tier. So I'll name some of them, will just
evaluate them. Okay, we already talked about Saving Private Ryan.
If you don't cry during that movie, you're broken, right, Patton,
great movie from the seventies. Yeah, it's fine. George Scott
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is a killer in it.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Man.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
But Schindler's List again a wild movie. Never seen that movie, dude,
It's crazy. I's been around for a long time.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I just never It's never tickled my fancy to go.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
For another sad one, of course. Yeah. I mean it's
another one that you would cry too.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And I don't know if everybody cries that that end
scene where they stacked the rocks, that gets me. Yeah.
The Longest Day came out in nineteen sixty two. I
don't think I've ever seen that one. The Great Escape Nope,
captures the escape by British Commonwealth POWs from a German
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camp during World War Two. Steve McQueen, James Garner, Richard Ottenborough.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Casa Blanca's listed I know.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I don't think that's a great World War two movie.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Great movie either, it's good.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
A Bridge Too Far, Bridge of the River khy Dos
Boot nineteen eighty two German war film puts viewers inside
the submarine during one of World War two's most intense
and dangerous clashes in the Battle of the Atlantic.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Fun the Thin Red Line. Oh my gosh, awend this
lineup man Sean Penn, Adrian Brody, Ben Chaplin, George Clooney,
John Cusack, Woody Harrelson, Nick Nolty, John c Riley, Yeah,
and John Travolta.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah. I don't think I've ever seen this movie. It's
pretty good, dude, to check it out.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Terrence Malick movie man, Okay, Terrence Mallock movies are always fantastic.
Tori Torah Midway, twelve o'clock High in Me of the Gates,
Dirty Dozen, Dirty Dozen is good, Okay, Letters of Him
agea Memphis Bell. That's fun. It's not what you think
in a typical World War two movie, but it's good.
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Fury is on here, of course. Battle of Britain. There's
so many I haven't seen.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Yeah, there's a lot of them I haven't seen.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
In Harm's way to Helen back Flag of a Father's
Darkest Hour, Gary oldman who plays Churchill, Winston Churchill. That's amazing.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Okay, to answer your question, you're probably right. Saving Private
Ryan probably is.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
World War two is probably one of these things that
I feel like I've learned about all my life in
some capacity, right, And the number of things I keep
learning is bizarre, Like listen to this. I just learned
this one recently. There was a Spanish man who won
to work for five. So he went to I five
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and was like, I want to be a spy for you,
and they're like, get bent yo. He didn't give up,
went back said I want to be a spy. Let
me be a spy. They're like no, go away. He
keeps doing this a couple more times, they keep denying him.
He then decides to go to the five equivalent to
what the Germans have, and it was like, let me
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be a spy. I've talked to them, like he tricked
them into and so they're like, this is a good idea.
So he did, and then he went back to England
and was like they trusted me to be a spy,
but I want to be a spy for you. And
they're like, we see an opportunity here, so they intentionally
he was so good of a spy that he tricked
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the Germans into believing something got destroyed, that he helped
target and tell them where it was at and they
made like blankets to go over with printing to make
it look like the building got destroyed. That they gave
him the highest honor in German Nazi for being a
good steward. Right, And he also got an award from
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England for being a good steward right wild that's not
the best part. He became such a trusted ally to
the Germans that it was because of him the reason
we were able to storm the beaches in Normandy, because
he got the Germans to believe that we were gonna
go somewhere, we were gonna land somewhere else, all because
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of this guy who I don't even I don't remember
his name. Isn't that insane?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
And it's a crazy, crazy story, and it's not done.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
And so he does this and he goes, I'm done,
decides he's gonna be done being a spy, just enjoying life,
gets killed. I forget where it was, but he gets killed.
And then come to find out.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Years later, he walks into a bar with some other
former spies for him five.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And he's like, eh, I just didn't want people to
know where I was.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
And he knew.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Nothing about being a spy.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
He just persist in afright right, smart guy.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yes, And just the sheer number of things you continue
to learn about World War two. Ah, it's just mine,
bending man, completely mine bending. Winston Churchill, he would they
have a bunker that you can go and visit where
he would live during the bombings to coordinate and be
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in charge. And now you can go visit it, and
it's not awesome. And so they do all these things
that were over. They just abandoned it for like forty
years or some crazy number.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Yeah, and they leave everything down there. And then they know, like,
we should make this a museum.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
People will pay twenty five dollars to get in or whatever,
and you know, and they do, and they do just
a wild, wild story World War two.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Man.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I never get tired of learning those stories. And I
don't know, huh, I'll make a bold stay. I don't
know if our country's up for something like that again.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Probably not, Although history does tend to repeat itself. Yeah,
so well, history repeating itself and people stepping up the
same way.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's the difference. Sty Oh no, I don't think that
we're going to step up quite the way we did.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
You wouldn't need to do one. You wouldn't need to
It wasn't well, bombs and drones, okay, right, you don't
need a bunch of eighteen year olds giving them planes
and telling them to fly for twelve hours straight.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's not bombs.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Is the Selective Service still a thing? I was wondering
about that the other day, like things you got to
do when you turn eighteen or whatever, because there I
never registered to vote, and I will never register to vote,
but you have to sign up for the Selective Service
in case you're drafted or whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
And I was like, is that still a thing? Are
kids at eighteen?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Or at least it is still a thing. Okay, there's
no active military draft, but you still get just strace
you never know, hey man got to be at the ready.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And how does that work? You turn eighteen and then.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Your name goes in a hat and they see you're
coming with me, sir.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
You're enlisted?
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I kind of I think they should change it to
everybody who turns eighteen should voluntarily not voluntary.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
They should be forced to serve two years.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Kind of like the way Israel does yep, yep, Israeli
Army or air Force or whatever it is. Yeah, there's
a lot of countries actually they do that. They're like,
you have to serve a couple of years mandatory.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I was it doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna fire a weapon,
doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna be in theater.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
South Korea is like that too. I learned that from
when I was uber driving. I picked up this Korean
kid and he's going to school out at the Spartan
and and he's like, I just got back in from
home South Korea, where I had to serve military because
you know, you have to do it whether you like
it or not.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I was like, oh, that's cool, I guess.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
And then what do they get for serving two years?
Speaker 5 (10:08):
You're welcome, Yeah, you get to live. Yeah, like that's
the price of admission.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I guess.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I didn't ask. I didn't ask.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I'm okay with it, and I think even for people,
and I'm just gonna use gimbia An example, who have
some situation going on that might impede them from going
to an actual conflict. Right, I think there's still a
place for stuff to do.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
We're back up for the backups.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Back up, No, I don't don't. You'd be fully capable
of working on a tank for sure, you'd be fully
capable of you know, logistics.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Right, doing administrative work, yes, yep, yep. But they still
wouldn't let me in even though I could do all
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, well, you can't do.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
A pull up, so did you want to?
Speaker 5 (10:54):
I would have done it. My parents both were Air Force,
and my grandpa was. He fought in the Korean War
in the army. He was a clerk whatever, so I
guess he really didn't fight, but he was there, so yeah,
I would have. But they wouldn't let me in. So
I was like, all right, cool, I ain't.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Gonna worry about it.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
While y'all's off of war, I'll be backing banging your bitches.
Yeah no, there was no bitch banging.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Had uh. These are strange facts about World War Two?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Woshtech the Bear, a Syrian brown bear, was adopted by
the Polish Army, held an official rank as private and
carried heavier artillery shells during the Battle of Monte Casino.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
That doesn't surprise me. Put those animals to use as workhorses.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Spare though, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I mean are there you know what other options do
you have in a donkey a Russia?
Speaker 5 (11:42):
All right, there are a lot of donkeys in Russia.
I'm just saying, like, the bound bear feels a little
hard to train and also also very intimidating.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
How do you get him to take the dress off?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Get off of the tricycle.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
We need you to carry these munitions. Yeah, that scared
the shit out of me if I saw I was
walking down a trail and saw a bear with you know,
carrying ammunition.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Eh, Okay, we're good, bro.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
First bomb on Berlin that was dropped by Allied forces
didn't hit a military target. It hit an elephant in
the Berlin Zoo.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Oh damn it, this is a good one.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
The last surrender Japanese lieutenant was hidden in the Philippine
jungle for twenty nine years. He finally surrendered on March
of nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Wow. I wonder how he got caught. How they convinced him? Right?
I think after that long. I'd be like, okay, bro,
you can go.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
There's gotta be a movie about that, right.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
German submarine U twelve oh six sank in nineteen forty
five because the captain tried to operate the advanced high
pressure marine toilet incorrectly, causing water to flood the boat
and leak onto the batteries.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Oh god, man in charge sank the ship.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
The US military tested a way been consisting of thousands
of tiny timed incendiary bombs strapped to hibernating bats, released
from airplanes over enemy cities.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I'm dung because of wartime trade and bargo. Oh this
is a great one. Because of wartime trade embargoes, they
cut off Coca cola syrup shipments to Germany, and so
that's when we started getting fonta.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Right, made by Nazis for Nazis.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, and now we drink it up.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Don't you want some funda funta, some fun delicious? That's fine.
It tastes like sun kissed, It tastes like syrup with carbonation.
There ain't nothing special about it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I've never been a big fanto fan.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Strawberry orange, none of them.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Uh, I didn't know this about World War Two, an
astonishing number of soldiers died during pilot training. Okay, now
I knew there was a massive rush to train pilots
like they were getting like a few weeks. Fifteen thousand
deaths occurred during pilot training, and they were mostly due
to pilot, air or mechanical failure. It was such a
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problem that the B twenty four bomber was also known
as the most dangerous plane in the war, receiving the
nickname the flying Coffin. To put this in perspective, around
fifty two thousand American flight crew members died during World
War Two, meaning almost thirty percent died during training.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Some more bizarre weapons. One of the most ambitious projects
was a V three cannon, a gigantic machine that could
hurl projectiles from Germany across the sea into England. Instead
of using rockets like the V two or V three,
would be a stationary cannon that would shoot projectiles at
distances of up to one hundred miles across the sea
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from mainland Europe to the United Kingdom. The cannon was
never completed during so the bombing runs destroying it destroyed
it before it could even be put into use.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, the drops on this thing is massive. Wow.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Uh, Gandhi got involved. You're great, Gandhi.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
He was known as a peace maker right he was
committed to peace that he tried to write a letter
to Hitler referring to him as a dear friend and
pleading for him to stop the war. It's unclear whether
or not the messages ever got to Hitler. Heinrich Himmler,
which seems like the name of every German soldier ever
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in any story.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
That was like Hitler's number two, wasn't.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
It was one of Hitler's first supporters, becoming the head
of the Schriztotzel Schritztapfel.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
That sounds like something you eat at October.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
And eventually being put in the charge of the army
group of Vistula, which is about five hundred thousand soldiers
and they were assigned to protect Berlin. This task was
so much for him that he required daily naps and
massage and only worked a few hours a day.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Lucky.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Eventually they were overrun and he abandoned his post and
he fled to a nearby spa.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Of course, to deal.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
With this stress and negotiate the peace treaty. Germany was
attacked by night witches. The Soviet Union had a regiment
of female pilots who flew nighttime bombing raids against Germany
to avoid detention that women would cut their engines before
reaching their targets, and the sound of their planes gliding
for attack made Germans think of the sound of broomsticks.
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As a result, they were nicknamed the night witches.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
That's fun. I didn't know that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
British Special Operations executive developed the rat bomb.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Oh yeah, strap a little bombs and dire little rats
to send them off, and.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
A dead rat full of explosives was to be hidden
in German coal bunkers and then hopefully disposed of in
furnaces when discovered, which would trigger catastrophic boiler explosions. The
first shipment of bombs was discovered by the Germans, who
then wasted an enormous amount of time searching their coal
supplies for more, like, well, how many are in there?
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Soviets had anti tank dogs. They trained dogs they would
leave timer detonated bombs underneath vehicles and run away. These
were later replaced with bombs that detonated on impact, killing
the dogs. In the process.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
There's a lot of animals and more. Oh yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
The weirdest part of the war was the Battle of
Castle Itter, which saw American gis fight side by side
with rooms decked soldiers German soldiers that had teamed up
against the attacking force of the waffran SS to defend
an Austrian castle which held prisoners of war. The two
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included former French prime ministers, famous tennis player and General
de Gaulle's system.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Japan tried to launch over nine thousand high altitude andcendiary
balloons against the United States with the intention of starting
forest fires. None of the balloons reached.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
The States.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Because the forests they landed in were too damp. Hell,
we know this. I don't know why we don't talk
about this more because it's so cool. Native American languages
were used to carry top secret messages. The US military
was aided by Native Americans to translate messages into Navajo
language during the Pacific Campaign. Navajos and in incredibly complex,
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obscure language. It was thought to be impossible to decipher
by the Japanese, who had no knowledge it even existed.
That smart, it's brilliant, right, yeah, brilliant planned to attack
I'm sorry. Britain planned to launch an attack on German livestock.
The British thought about the idea of dropping linseed cakes
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laced with anthrax spores on German farms. Kill the kennies, sheep's,
pigs and cattle. The mission was amusingly given the name
Operation Vegetarian, but never came to fruistion.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
That's pretty smart too, attack their food supply m you know,
oh yeah, kill their animals they can't eat, they'll starve them.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Ount best war tactic is to frustrate your enemy, right,
not necessarily attack them, but to frustrate them, right. And
if they don't have food, then they can't focus on
the real thing.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
The Nazis wanted to launch a giant mirror into space.
The Sun Gun would have directed the Sun's raves onto
enemy cities, reducing them to ash. It was soon dismissed
as impossible with the technology available at the time. They
wanted to build an aircraft carrier out of ice. Project
Habakuk was a British plan to build a gigantic aircraft
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carrier from an extremely sturdy mixture of ice and wood pulp.
The carrier would have been used against U boats in
the mid Atlantic, but the plane was planned with scrap
due to rising costs to the development of long range
aircraft and better escorts for the Atlantic convoys. Yeah, plants
better choice. Yeah, aircraft carrier wouldn't melt over time.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
The United States had a ghost Army Mayre about eleven
hundred men whose sole job was misleading the Germans about
the location and size of Allied forces. They carried out
more than twenty deceptions during the war, including filing fields,
filling fields with inflatable tanks and planes, and creating fake
radio transmissions. Y. What do you do during the war?
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I blew things up really like with bombs, kind.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Of with these lips.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
There was an operation called Operation corn Flakes Gross, the
British operation that dropped mail bags full of fake letters
addressed to real people near bombed mail trains. The mail
was picked up by the Germans postal service and delivered
to people's homes. It was full of depressing, downbeat content
that was meant to lower civilian morale. Get them all
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the press propaganda.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
One of Churchill's plans remained a secret for over fifty years.
At the end of the war, Churchill ordered a plan
to be drawn up called Operation Unthinkable. The plan looked
at the feasibility of launching a surprise attack on Soviet
forces stationed in Germany. It was considered so sensitive that
its existing existence was not revealed until nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, because they wouldn't go over. Well, they were considered
allies for a while, not then, you know, because then
afterwards it wasn't them. They were like, they're the enemy now.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
World War two, man, great stuff. That beginning part of
Saving Private Ryan where the old man's looking for.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
The grave, right.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
He was like, especially if you've seen the movie, and
you know, if you haven't seen the movie, you're.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Like, oh, okay, only has to be the best one.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I don't disagree. I can't think of another one. I mean,
it's better.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
We didn't mention the Diary of Anne Frank but that
is more so about her life.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
It's about World War two.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Yeah, also a good one, but not as good as
Saving Private Ryan.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Well, it's on Paramount Plus and Pluto.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
You know, you know, the conspiracy about Diary of Ann
Frank Ryan. No, people believe that there's no forensic proof
that it was hers and that it's.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
All made up, just slapped her name on it.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
It's just a good and feel good story.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
There have been forensic testing though by the Netherlands Forensic
Institute improved that the handwriting across the notebooks and loose
sheets entirely matches Anne Frank's authentic script. How they got
ahold of a thirteen year old's writing before the diary,
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Maybe old letters, I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Everything was kind of destroyed.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Laboratory examinations of the paper glue in ink confirmed they
matched the exact time period, disproving forgery.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Eyewitness alignment. The timeline of hiding in the secret annex,
the daily struggles of the eventual betrayal match historical records
and the testimony of the Soul family survival survivor Otto
Frank Beam Yeah, helper me up. Geese rescue the original
papers from the annex after the raid and safely handed
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them over to Auto, preserving an unbroken chain of custody.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Okay, so it's Auto's fault.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I forget who the tattle tailor was who tattled on
Anne frank Er buddy, No, definitive proof exists, but a
twenty twenty two cold case investigation suggested that ji Jewish
notary named Arnold Vandenberg may have given up the hiding
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spot to save his own family. You don't say you're
safe with me unless they threaten me.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
They're upstairs, right.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I wonder how much quickly he turned over.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Oh, I'm sure it wasn't that long at all.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I mean, I don't blame him if it comes.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Down to me and my family and the family that
I'm hiding up in my attic.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Sorry, guys, y'all got to go.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
We're not gonna have a conversation. I'm just telling them. Yeah, wow, yeah,
fun World War two stuff. Didn't have that on my
radar today.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
You learned some things today. See, right, are we entertaining?
We're educational.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I don't even know if we. I think this might
be the first morning dumb that doesn't include sex and
verily very little, if any profanity.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Well, fuck, there you go.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You guys have a fantastic week.
Okay, So I was gonna ask you, because I saw
Saving Private Ryan was on yesterday, what is the best
World War two movie is? Because I think Saving Private
Ryan might be the best World War two movie. Now,
keep in mind, it can be a movie that doesn't
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necessarily have gun fighting or battles in it, like Schindler's
List for example, right, or Oh, what's the Beautiful Day?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
What is it with the kid?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
What's his name? And the kid and he stands on them?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I'll have to look it up.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I don't remember it.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
That Christmas movie?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Now, Schindler List.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Nope, just said Schindler's List. The Pianist, Nope. That's a
great movie with Aidan Brody.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yeah, yeah, Adrian Brody.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I don't know which one.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Your Life is beautiful? Oh fantastic?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Uh uh?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Inglorious Bastards not a true World War two movie.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Still set in that time, though?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
You are you even sure that those things existed? Not
that that matters.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I mean, Dunkirk was decent, but I agree, I think
Saving Private Ryan was better.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
There's a lot of them here that I have never seen.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Wasn't Brad pitten Fury? Yes, that one wasn't bad.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
It's got Inglorious Bastards listed as a World War two movie. Okay,
I'm going with a Glorious Bastards. That's a damn good movie.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It is a good movie. The acting in it is
top tier. So I'll name some of them, will just
evaluate them. Okay, we already talked about Saving Private Ryan.
If you don't cry during that movie, you're broken, right, Patton,
great movie from the seventies. Yeah, it's fine. George Scott
(02:18):
is a killer in it.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Man.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
But Schindler's List again a wild movie. Never seen that movie, dude,
It's crazy. I's been around for a long time.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I just never It's never tickled my fancy to go.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
For another sad one, of course. Yeah. I mean it's
another one that you would cry too.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And I don't know if everybody cries that that end
scene where they stacked the rocks, that gets me. Yeah.
The Longest Day came out in nineteen sixty two. I
don't think I've ever seen that one. The Great Escape Nope,
captures the escape by British Commonwealth POWs from a German
(03:03):
camp during World War Two. Steve McQueen, James Garner, Richard Ottenborough.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Casa Blanca's listed I know.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I don't think that's a great World War two movie.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Great movie either, it's good.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
A Bridge Too Far, Bridge of the River khy Dos
Boot nineteen eighty two German war film puts viewers inside
the submarine during one of World War two's most intense
and dangerous clashes in the Battle of the Atlantic.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Fun the Thin Red Line. Oh my gosh, awend this
lineup man Sean Penn, Adrian Brody, Ben Chaplin, George Clooney,
John Cusack, Woody Harrelson, Nick Nolty, John c Riley, Yeah,
and John Travolta.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah. I don't think I've ever seen this movie. It's
pretty good, dude, to check it out.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Terrence Malick movie man, Okay, Terrence Mallock movies are always fantastic.
Tori Torah Midway, twelve o'clock High in Me of the Gates,
Dirty Dozen, Dirty Dozen is good, Okay, Letters of Him
agea Memphis Bell. That's fun. It's not what you think
in a typical World War two movie, but it's good.
(04:14):
Fury is on here, of course. Battle of Britain. There's
so many I haven't seen.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Yeah, there's a lot of them I haven't seen.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
In Harm's way to Helen back Flag of a Father's
Darkest Hour, Gary oldman who plays Churchill, Winston Churchill. That's amazing.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Okay, to answer your question, you're probably right. Saving Private
Ryan probably is.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
World War two is probably one of these things that
I feel like I've learned about all my life in
some capacity, right, And the number of things I keep
learning is bizarre, Like listen to this. I just learned
this one recently. There was a Spanish man who won
to work for five. So he went to I five
(05:03):
and was like, I want to be a spy for you,
and they're like, get bent yo. He didn't give up,
went back said I want to be a spy. Let
me be a spy. They're like no, go away. He
keeps doing this a couple more times, they keep denying him.
He then decides to go to the five equivalent to
what the Germans have, and it was like, let me
(05:26):
be a spy. I've talked to them, like he tricked
them into and so they're like, this is a good idea.
So he did, and then he went back to England
and was like they trusted me to be a spy,
but I want to be a spy for you. And
they're like, we see an opportunity here, so they intentionally
he was so good of a spy that he tricked
(05:49):
the Germans into believing something got destroyed, that he helped
target and tell them where it was at and they
made like blankets to go over with printing to make
it look like the building got destroyed. That they gave
him the highest honor in German Nazi for being a
good steward. Right, And he also got an award from
(06:12):
England for being a good steward right wild that's not
the best part. He became such a trusted ally to
the Germans that it was because of him the reason
we were able to storm the beaches in Normandy, because
he got the Germans to believe that we were gonna
go somewhere, we were gonna land somewhere else, all because
(06:32):
of this guy who I don't even I don't remember
his name. Isn't that insane?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
And it's a crazy, crazy story, and it's not done.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
And so he does this and he goes, I'm done,
decides he's gonna be done being a spy, just enjoying life,
gets killed. I forget where it was, but he gets killed.
And then come to find out.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Years later, he walks into a bar with some other
former spies for him five.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And he's like, eh, I just didn't want people to
know where I was.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
And he knew.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Nothing about being a spy.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
He just persist in afright right, smart guy.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yes, And just the sheer number of things you continue
to learn about World War two. Ah, it's just mine,
bending man, completely mine bending. Winston Churchill, he would they
have a bunker that you can go and visit where
he would live during the bombings to coordinate and be
(07:36):
in charge. And now you can go visit it, and
it's not awesome. And so they do all these things
that were over. They just abandoned it for like forty
years or some crazy number.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Yeah, and they leave everything down there. And then they know, like,
we should make this a museum.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
People will pay twenty five dollars to get in or whatever,
and you know, and they do, and they do just
a wild, wild story World War two.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Man.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I never get tired of learning those stories. And I
don't know, huh, I'll make a bold stay. I don't
know if our country's up for something like that again.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Probably not, Although history does tend to repeat itself. Yeah,
so well, history repeating itself and people stepping up the
same way.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's the difference. Sty Oh no, I don't think that
we're going to step up quite the way we did.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
You wouldn't need to do one. You wouldn't need to
It wasn't well, bombs and drones, okay, right, you don't
need a bunch of eighteen year olds giving them planes
and telling them to fly for twelve hours straight.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's not bombs.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Is the Selective Service still a thing? I was wondering
about that the other day, like things you got to
do when you turn eighteen or whatever, because there I
never registered to vote, and I will never register to vote,
but you have to sign up for the Selective Service
in case you're drafted or whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
And I was like, is that still a thing? Are
kids at eighteen?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Or at least it is still a thing. Okay, there's
no active military draft, but you still get just strace
you never know, hey man got to be at the ready.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And how does that work? You turn eighteen and then.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Your name goes in a hat and they see you're
coming with me, sir.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
You're enlisted?
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I kind of I think they should change it to
everybody who turns eighteen should voluntarily not voluntary.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
They should be forced to serve two years.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Kind of like the way Israel does yep, yep, Israeli
Army or air Force or whatever it is. Yeah, there's
a lot of countries actually they do that. They're like,
you have to serve a couple of years mandatory.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I was it doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna fire a weapon,
doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna be in theater.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
South Korea is like that too. I learned that from
when I was uber driving. I picked up this Korean
kid and he's going to school out at the Spartan
and and he's like, I just got back in from
home South Korea, where I had to serve military because
you know, you have to do it whether you like
it or not.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I was like, oh, that's cool, I guess.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
And then what do they get for serving two years?
Speaker 5 (10:08):
You're welcome, Yeah, you get to live. Yeah, like that's
the price of admission.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I guess.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I didn't ask. I didn't ask.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I'm okay with it, and I think even for people,
and I'm just gonna use gimbia An example, who have
some situation going on that might impede them from going
to an actual conflict. Right, I think there's still a
place for stuff to do.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
We're back up for the backups.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Back up, No, I don't don't. You'd be fully capable
of working on a tank for sure, you'd be fully
capable of you know, logistics.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Right, doing administrative work, yes, yep, yep. But they still
wouldn't let me in even though I could do all
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, well, you can't do.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
A pull up, so did you want to?
Speaker 5 (10:54):
I would have done it. My parents both were Air Force,
and my grandpa was. He fought in the Korean War
in the army. He was a clerk whatever, so I
guess he really didn't fight, but he was there, so yeah,
I would have. But they wouldn't let me in. So
I was like, all right, cool, I ain't.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Gonna worry about it.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
While y'all's off of war, I'll be backing banging your bitches.
Yeah no, there was no bitch banging.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Had uh. These are strange facts about World War Two?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Woshtech the Bear, a Syrian brown bear, was adopted by
the Polish Army, held an official rank as private and
carried heavier artillery shells during the Battle of Monte Casino.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
That doesn't surprise me. Put those animals to use as workhorses.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Spare though, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I mean are there you know what other options do
you have in a donkey a Russia?
Speaker 5 (11:42):
All right, there are a lot of donkeys in Russia.
I'm just saying, like, the bound bear feels a little
hard to train and also also very intimidating.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
How do you get him to take the dress off?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Get off of the tricycle.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
We need you to carry these munitions. Yeah, that scared
the shit out of me if I saw I was
walking down a trail and saw a bear with you know,
carrying ammunition.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Eh, Okay, we're good, bro.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
First bomb on Berlin that was dropped by Allied forces
didn't hit a military target. It hit an elephant in
the Berlin Zoo.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Oh damn it, this is a good one.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
The last surrender Japanese lieutenant was hidden in the Philippine
jungle for twenty nine years. He finally surrendered on March
of nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Wow. I wonder how he got caught. How they convinced him? Right?
I think after that long. I'd be like, okay, bro,
you can go.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
There's gotta be a movie about that, right.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
German submarine U twelve oh six sank in nineteen forty
five because the captain tried to operate the advanced high
pressure marine toilet incorrectly, causing water to flood the boat
and leak onto the batteries.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Oh god, man in charge sank the ship.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
The US military tested a way been consisting of thousands
of tiny timed incendiary bombs strapped to hibernating bats, released
from airplanes over enemy cities.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I'm dung because of wartime trade and bargo. Oh this
is a great one. Because of wartime trade embargoes, they
cut off Coca cola syrup shipments to Germany, and so
that's when we started getting fonta.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Right, made by Nazis for Nazis.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, and now we drink it up.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Don't you want some funda funta, some fun delicious? That's fine.
It tastes like sun kissed, It tastes like syrup with carbonation.
There ain't nothing special about it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I've never been a big fanto fan.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Strawberry orange, none of them.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Uh, I didn't know this about World War Two, an
astonishing number of soldiers died during pilot training. Okay, now
I knew there was a massive rush to train pilots
like they were getting like a few weeks. Fifteen thousand
deaths occurred during pilot training, and they were mostly due
to pilot, air or mechanical failure. It was such a
(14:13):
problem that the B twenty four bomber was also known
as the most dangerous plane in the war, receiving the
nickname the flying Coffin. To put this in perspective, around
fifty two thousand American flight crew members died during World
War Two, meaning almost thirty percent died during training.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Some more bizarre weapons. One of the most ambitious projects
was a V three cannon, a gigantic machine that could
hurl projectiles from Germany across the sea into England. Instead
of using rockets like the V two or V three,
would be a stationary cannon that would shoot projectiles at
distances of up to one hundred miles across the sea
(14:53):
from mainland Europe to the United Kingdom. The cannon was
never completed during so the bombing runs destroying it destroyed
it before it could even be put into use.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, the drops on this thing is massive. Wow.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Uh, Gandhi got involved. You're great, Gandhi.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
He was known as a peace maker right he was
committed to peace that he tried to write a letter
to Hitler referring to him as a dear friend and
pleading for him to stop the war. It's unclear whether
or not the messages ever got to Hitler. Heinrich Himmler,
which seems like the name of every German soldier ever
(15:36):
in any story.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
That was like Hitler's number two, wasn't.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
It was one of Hitler's first supporters, becoming the head
of the Schriztotzel Schritztapfel.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
That sounds like something you eat at October.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
And eventually being put in the charge of the army
group of Vistula, which is about five hundred thousand soldiers
and they were assigned to protect Berlin. This task was
so much for him that he required daily naps and
massage and only worked a few hours a day.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Lucky.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Eventually they were overrun and he abandoned his post and
he fled to a nearby spa.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Of course, to deal.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
With this stress and negotiate the peace treaty. Germany was
attacked by night witches. The Soviet Union had a regiment
of female pilots who flew nighttime bombing raids against Germany
to avoid detention that women would cut their engines before
reaching their targets, and the sound of their planes gliding
for attack made Germans think of the sound of broomsticks.
(16:33):
As a result, they were nicknamed the night witches.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
That's fun. I didn't know that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
British Special Operations executive developed the rat bomb.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Oh yeah, strap a little bombs and dire little rats
to send them off, and.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
A dead rat full of explosives was to be hidden
in German coal bunkers and then hopefully disposed of in
furnaces when discovered, which would trigger catastrophic boiler explosions. The
first shipment of bombs was discovered by the Germans, who
then wasted an enormous amount of time searching their coal
supplies for more, like, well, how many are in there?
(17:13):
Soviets had anti tank dogs. They trained dogs they would
leave timer detonated bombs underneath vehicles and run away. These
were later replaced with bombs that detonated on impact, killing
the dogs. In the process.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
There's a lot of animals and more. Oh yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
The weirdest part of the war was the Battle of
Castle Itter, which saw American gis fight side by side
with rooms decked soldiers German soldiers that had teamed up
against the attacking force of the waffran SS to defend
an Austrian castle which held prisoners of war. The two
(17:54):
included former French prime ministers, famous tennis player and General
de Gaulle's system.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Japan tried to launch over nine thousand high altitude andcendiary
balloons against the United States with the intention of starting
forest fires. None of the balloons reached.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
The States.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Because the forests they landed in were too damp. Hell,
we know this. I don't know why we don't talk
about this more because it's so cool. Native American languages
were used to carry top secret messages. The US military
was aided by Native Americans to translate messages into Navajo
language during the Pacific Campaign. Navajos and in incredibly complex,
(18:36):
obscure language. It was thought to be impossible to decipher
by the Japanese, who had no knowledge it even existed.
That smart, it's brilliant, right, yeah, brilliant planned to attack
I'm sorry. Britain planned to launch an attack on German livestock.
The British thought about the idea of dropping linseed cakes
(18:57):
laced with anthrax spores on German farms. Kill the kennies, sheep's,
pigs and cattle. The mission was amusingly given the name
Operation Vegetarian, but never came to fruistion.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
That's pretty smart too, attack their food supply m you know,
oh yeah, kill their animals they can't eat, they'll starve them.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Ount best war tactic is to frustrate your enemy, right,
not necessarily attack them, but to frustrate them, right. And
if they don't have food, then they can't focus on
the real thing.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
The Nazis wanted to launch a giant mirror into space.
The Sun Gun would have directed the Sun's raves onto
enemy cities, reducing them to ash. It was soon dismissed
as impossible with the technology available at the time. They
wanted to build an aircraft carrier out of ice. Project
Habakuk was a British plan to build a gigantic aircraft
(19:50):
carrier from an extremely sturdy mixture of ice and wood pulp.
The carrier would have been used against U boats in
the mid Atlantic, but the plane was planned with scrap
due to rising costs to the development of long range
aircraft and better escorts for the Atlantic convoys. Yeah, plants
better choice. Yeah, aircraft carrier wouldn't melt over time.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
The United States had a ghost Army Mayre about eleven
hundred men whose sole job was misleading the Germans about
the location and size of Allied forces. They carried out
more than twenty deceptions during the war, including filing fields,
filling fields with inflatable tanks and planes, and creating fake
radio transmissions. Y. What do you do during the war?
(20:37):
I blew things up really like with bombs, kind.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Of with these lips.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
There was an operation called Operation corn Flakes Gross, the
British operation that dropped mail bags full of fake letters
addressed to real people near bombed mail trains. The mail
was picked up by the Germans postal service and delivered
to people's homes. It was full of depressing, downbeat content
that was meant to lower civilian morale. Get them all
(21:05):
the press propaganda.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
One of Churchill's plans remained a secret for over fifty years.
At the end of the war, Churchill ordered a plan
to be drawn up called Operation Unthinkable. The plan looked
at the feasibility of launching a surprise attack on Soviet
forces stationed in Germany. It was considered so sensitive that
its existing existence was not revealed until nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, because they wouldn't go over. Well, they were considered
allies for a while, not then, you know, because then
afterwards it wasn't them. They were like, they're the enemy now.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
World War two, man, great stuff. That beginning part of
Saving Private Ryan where the old man's looking for.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
The grave, right.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
He was like, especially if you've seen the movie, and
you know, if you haven't seen the movie, you're.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Like, oh, okay, only has to be the best one.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I don't disagree. I can't think of another one. I mean,
it's better.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
We didn't mention the Diary of Anne Frank but that
is more so about her life.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
It's about World War two.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Yeah, also a good one, but not as good as
Saving Private Ryan.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Well, it's on Paramount Plus and Pluto.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
You know, you know, the conspiracy about Diary of Ann
Frank Ryan. No, people believe that there's no forensic proof
that it was hers and that it's.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
All made up, just slapped her name on it.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
It's just a good and feel good story.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
There have been forensic testing though by the Netherlands Forensic
Institute improved that the handwriting across the notebooks and loose
sheets entirely matches Anne Frank's authentic script. How they got
ahold of a thirteen year old's writing before the diary,
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Maybe old letters, I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Everything was kind of destroyed.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Laboratory examinations of the paper glue in ink confirmed they
matched the exact time period, disproving forgery.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Eyewitness alignment. The timeline of hiding in the secret annex,
the daily struggles of the eventual betrayal match historical records
and the testimony of the Soul family survival survivor Otto
Frank Beam Yeah, helper me up. Geese rescue the original
papers from the annex after the raid and safely handed
(23:31):
them over to Auto, preserving an unbroken chain of custody.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Okay, so it's Auto's fault.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I forget who the tattle tailor was who tattled on
Anne frank Er buddy, No, definitive proof exists, but a
twenty twenty two cold case investigation suggested that ji Jewish
notary named Arnold Vandenberg may have given up the hiding
(24:00):
spot to save his own family. You don't say you're
safe with me unless they threaten me.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
They're upstairs, right.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I wonder how much quickly he turned over.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Oh, I'm sure it wasn't that long at all.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I mean, I don't blame him if it comes.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Down to me and my family and the family that
I'm hiding up in my attic.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Sorry, guys, y'all got to go.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
We're not gonna have a conversation. I'm just telling them. Yeah, wow, yeah,
fun World War two stuff. Didn't have that on my
radar today.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
You learned some things today. See, right, are we entertaining?
We're educational.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I don't even know if we. I think this might
be the first morning dumb that doesn't include sex and
verily very little, if any profanity.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Well, fuck, there you go.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You guys have a fantastic week.
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