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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two people were shot yesterday afternoon by federal agents in Portland.
Police say a man and a woman were hospitalized with
gunshot wounds. The Department of Homeland Security says border patrol
agents they were making a targeted vehicle stop tied to
an alleged gangling prostitution ring. Federal officials claimed the driver
tried to run agents over, prompting an agent to fire
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a defensive shot. DHS says the passenger was an legal immigrant,
fro Venezuela, allegedly connected to Trenda Arragua. Portland Mayor Keith
Wilson publicly questioned DHS's account, saying the city can no
longer take federal authorities at their word. What makes that
story a bit different from the Minneapolis situation is that
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it does sound like the people who were involved, the
illegal immigrant and the other person, they were the targets
of that enforcement operation, whereas in Minneapolis, Renee Good wasn't.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
She had nothing to do with that. She was just
there and got in the.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Way, right, And we're learning a bit more about Renee
Good focusing in on the Minneapolis shooting now, and we're
learning about the agent who shot and killed her. There
are conflicting reports where you have her mother and her
ex and her neighbor saying that she wasn't an activist,
But then you have reports like the New York Post
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putting out that she was on an ICE watch list,
that she was heavily involved in all of that.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Watch group, and they say that she when they enrolled
her son in a charter school when they moved to
Minneapolis last year, that she got involved and became more
of an activist. So it sounds like maybe she, you know,
had these beliefs, got involved in this group where everybody's
got the same kind of you know, vision, and then
she got, you know, a little bit more extreme with it.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, and then maybe.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Her family and former neighbor maybe they didn't know that
she was that into it.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
It's possible.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
And then we learned about the agent involved, that he
was involved in a vehicle incident last year where he
was rammed and dragged.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
We had like thirty three stitches or something in his leg.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Now, despite those updates and what the vice president said
yesterday and all of that, my take remains the same. Honestly, Untild,
there's more information. I'd like to see more context about
how things unfolded leading up to the incident, But she
shouldn't have been parked in the middle of the road,
and she was parked there for an extended period of time. Now,
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some vehicles were able to get by.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
She was waving them by, yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
But still, what are you doing in the middle of
the road like that?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
And now we know she was an activist.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
She was definitely trying to interfere in what they were doing, right.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I don't view those actions as being one of a
domestic terrority, So.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
That's she was doing something wrong that she shouldn't have
been doing. She was interfering, but domestic terrorism is a
whole other level, a whole other extreme.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It's exactly right. I don't think she was trying to
run over and kill the agent. Based on what I
saw in the video, it's pretty clear she backs up
and tries to turn her car away from the agents.
She just didn't accelerate forward. If she had done that,
that agent be dead right now. There's no way to
me to know what the agent was thinking when her
vehicle started to move, but I think it's reasonable to
think that he feared for his life, especially if he
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had been involved in an incident happened last year, and
I do think it's fair to question why the agent
put himself in that position.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
And there have been people who have said, well, that's protocol.
Well no, it's not.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Go read the training. It's not protocol to get in
front of the vehicle like that. And he had just
been hit by a vehicle a year ago.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
You would think he would stay away from a vehicle.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, and could when the agent's approached the vehicle, could
it have been handled in a more de escalatory I
think these are all fair.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Questions are so high though, that everybody's hot, and then
it just gets worse.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I wanted to get to a part of this deadly
ice shooting in Minneapolis that's gotten a lot of attention online.
Apparently there was someone on the scene who was trying
to get to the victim to assist before medics got there,
and there's audio of how this whole thing unfolded.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Let me play you a bit of it. Position understand,
we got the invested on, I get it.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Just give us the second wed Where are they?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Why are they?
Speaker 6 (04:30):
How can I really?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
She just tell the flavor we caught your fire face.
So a few things.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
First of all, when it comes to the medics arriving
on scene. Apparently because of all the vehicles from federal
law enforcement, they couldn't get the ambulance to that spot
where the victim was. Yeah, so they had to, you know,
get out the medics and go all the way down.
They didn't have a stretcher with them or anything like that.
And that's why there's, uh these reports that she was gone,
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just carried.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
There's video.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, yeah, back to the ambulance. I have to defend
the federal agents on this one. I get that you've
got somebody who says they're a physician, but you don't
know who that person is.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Qualifications are sce and likely they knew that she was dead.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, And and I think there was the one federal
agent who you can hear he was trying to respond
in a calm manner. So you know, we got this
and and you just you can't let some I'm a doctor,
you can't let them into the scene and let them start,
you know, working on the woman. That's so I don't
fault them there A lot of people have been faulting
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them for that, trying to make them out to be
heartless and all of that.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Social media comments in a few minutes, but that was
one of them that they refused medical attention for her.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I also want to get to Vice President Jadvance. He
expanded on something Department of Homeland Security Secretary Christy Noman
said the other about the ICE agent involved in the shooting.
Speaker 7 (06:03):
That very ICE officer nearly had his life ended dragged
by a car six months ago, thirty three stitches in
his lige, So you think maybe he's a little bit
sensitive about somebody ramming him with an automobile.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
What stood out to me about that comments, and again
I've been clear, I think the woman should not have
been blocking and interfering with an immigration enforcement operation. I
think that even if she was trying to avoid the agent,
which I think she was trying to do, I don't
think she was trying to drive right into him. You
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could see it from the video, the quick backup and
she goes to reverse and then tries to turn the
wheels and everything. I could understand him fearing for his
life and the position that he was in, but I
do question why is he out on the streets doing
active operations like this if maybe he is a little
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bit shaken up from that previous incident, and why would
he after having been through an incident where a vehicle
rammed him, why would he put himself in the position
of being in the front of a vehicle like that.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, that's a really good question.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And should he be out yet doing this if he's
traumatized from an incident that happened not too long ago.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, So they're trying to the vice president and Christine.
They're trying to say, well, you know, that could have
been the reason that he responded the way he did.
I don't think that helps the situation, and I think
it raises more questions.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, it absolutely does.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Now we get to a few other stories, and I
want to start in Portland. Two people shot yesterday afternoon
by federal agents there police, A man and a woman
were hospitalized with gunshot wounds. The Department of Homeland Security
says Border patrol agents they were making a targeted vehicle
stop tied to an alleged gang linked prostitution ring. Federal
officials claimed the driver tried to run agents over, prompting
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an agent to fire a defensive shot. The Department of
Homeland Security says the passenger was an illegal immigrant from Venezuela,
allegedly connected to Trendea Ragua, but Portland Mayor Keith Wilson
publicly questioned the department's account, saying the city can no
longer take federal authorities at their word. There's a lot
we still don't know about that incident, but that's what
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we do know. This morning in Minneapolis, the situation there,
we learned a bit more about the victim, Renee Good,
and the agent who shot and killed her. We'll get
to all of that a little bit later in the show.
We also heard from Vice President jd.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Vance.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
He was part of the White House Press briefing yesterday,
commented on that deadly ice involved shooting in Minneapolis.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
We'll get to his comments later.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
There were quite a few protests, including some here in Florida.
There were a few incidents in Minneapolis that that led
to a couple of arrests, but nothing like what we
saw in the aftermath of George Floyd, although I do
the protests are going to get ratcheted up a notch
this weekend.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, there's a lot of organizing going on right now.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, So what happens tonight and what happens tomorrow night,
Because if you remember when we have these kinds of
protests bubble up. It's those weekend nights where things can
start to get pretty dicey. CNN obtained a new video
from a different angle, and it shows the minutes leading
up to the shooting, but it's kind of hard to
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get a good look at what was happening. You can
see her blocking the road, yet there were vehicles who
were able to get by her.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
They kind of you know, went around her.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, and then that was the angle that I was
kind of waiting to see from that vantage point, but
it's still pretty far back and you still can't really
see if she actually hit him and why he was
going in that direction.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Like, it's still kind of grainy.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
And then there are a couple of eyewitness accounts that
I thought were interesting.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Let me play this first one.
Speaker 8 (09:57):
There was a car, the Honda Pilot that's crashed over her. Now,
there was a car blocking the two lanes of Portland traffic,
and the Ice agents got out and they were saying, yeah,
you're good out here, and she was what looked like
trying to turn She was trying to turn around, and uh,
the ice agent was in front of her car and
he pulled out a gun and put it right in
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like he was his mindriff was on her bumper and
he reached across the hood of the car and shot
her in the face like three four times.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
And here's another one.
Speaker 9 (10:27):
Lady's trying to warn everyone Ice is in and is
in the neighborhood, just letting them know, hey and telling Ice, hey,
you're destroyed, families, whatnot?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Stopped doing this, Hey, get out of here.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Stop that.
Speaker 9 (10:40):
She reversed so traffic can go by the pickup truck,
great pickup truck. Officer Ice got out and was telling her, hey, what,
didn't tell her anything really, just telling her what, I'm
going to open up your door and I'm going to
get you out.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
And that's when the shooting happened and.
Speaker 9 (10:57):
The car took off and then it sped off and
crashed right into the cars.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So, I mean, what that tells me is that she
was obviously involved in trying to impact the operation that
Ice was doing there with how she positioned her vehicle.
She's pushing back against Ice verbally, you know, saying what
are you guys doing?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Why are you here? You know that we want you
to hear all.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
That kind of stuff, Escalating things.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah, Yeah, and it's it's that.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Point between where she was doing some of that and
then when the agents really aggressively go up to the vehicle.
That that's what I want to know more about from
those agents, from their perspective, What was it that led
them to, you know, start dropping bombs and then grabbing
the door handle and all against We don't have.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Any of that information.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
We have the small little time period for when that happened,
but we don't know what had led up to it.
We don't know how long she was there, We don't
know what else they were doing.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
We don't know any of them.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
That's some of the missing contexts I'd like to get.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
If you want to weigh in on the deadly Minneapolis
ice shooting story, or really anything that we talk about
any morning, just pull up your iHeartRadio app, go to WFLA.
You'll see that microphone icon. You can hit that and
you can record up to thirty seconds of whatever your
take is. And we got a bunch of talkbacks on
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the ice shooting. Let me start with one from Ted. Hey,
this is Ted Bell from Tampa Bay.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
I think your analysis on the ice involved shooting is
pretty good, and I'm just really grateful we have video
from multiple angles here, so it's not just somebody's word
against the other, you know, even with the video, and
I'm glad we have video too, But even with the video,
it's so fascinating to see people just have completely different
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takes on what happened.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yes, depending on your political beliefs and how you feel
about the situation, people view it a completely different way
and still black and white too, Like they think that
she was deliberately trying to hit him, or they think
that you know that she was completely innocent and that
she wasn't trying to hit him.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I think there are a few things, and we just
ran through some of them that I believe you can
take away based on what we know, But I also
think there are some things that we.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Still don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I would still like more information on how things unfolded
on that block leading up to the incident.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Right, and a lot of people had cameras out, So
where's the rest of the video that shows everything that
was going on? And then I'm also wondering, if you know,
people have ring cameras or something like that, we'll ever
see kind of the other side.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Of the street.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
What was happening, because I think everything we've seen has
been from different angles, but we don't have the side
where he was when he either got hit or didn't
get him.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, and we are going to talk to a law
enforcement analyst, one of my favorite guests, retired Senior Secret
Service agent Doma Hallick. A little bit later in the show,
we'll get his analysis of what he saw. He used
to train members of the Secret Service on all these
different kinds of things, so he should have an interesting take.
We'll play a clip of that interview at six forty seven.
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Off the full thing for you at eight thirty five
this morning, so you can weigh in on anything we
talk about here on this show, including the ice related
shooting in Minneapolis. Just pull up your iHeartRadio app. If
you're listening in South Florida, search for WIOD and make
it a prect. If you're listening in the Tampa Bay area, WFLA,
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make it a precent and you'll see that microphone icon there.
You can hit that and record up to thirty seconds
of whatever it is you want to say. And here's
what one listener in the Tampa Bay area had to
say about it.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
I agree, she definitely made some wrong decisions, but I
cooleheartedly agreed that in that situation that officer did not
have to kill that woman. There's nowhere around it. I
will say that, no matter if you're left or right,
if you're honest with Yourselfhie, look at the environment in
the country and in the world. This administration is not
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doing anything so cold things down.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
And here's what Josh had to say.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Good morning.
Speaker 10 (15:05):
This is Josh from Holiday. I don't know how you
can't see her as a domestic terrorist. I mean, come on,
look what she's into and look what she was doing.
You or me would not do that. I think it
fits God bless you guys. Great show.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
All right, thanks so much, Josh.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
We were talking earlier in the show about how like,
I don't view her as a domestic terrorist. To me,
if she had coordinated an attack on those ICE agents,
if she had, you know, tried to throw a mileotof
cocktail at them or something like that, to me, that's
a domestic terrorist, not what she did. But you could
see how people they just have different takes on this,
and that's fine.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
We're gonna have more.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Josh was alluding to Renee Goods background we're gonna have
more on that, ye come up at six forty seven.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Yeah, there's some new information that we learned yesterday.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
So we're always interested in getting your take on anything
that we're talking about here on the show, including the
situation in Minneapolis. And you can weigh in by pulling
up your iHeartRadio app. If you're listening in South Florida,
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you want to weigh in and WFLA. If you're listening
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You hit that and you can record up to thirty
seconds of whatever it is you'd like to say. And
this was one that we got back just a short
time ago.
Speaker 8 (16:23):
I think the shooting was okay, but it might have
been a better idea.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
TS walk around got her license plate number first. Here
is another one. No, I don't see her as a
domestic terrorist.
Speaker 8 (16:34):
However, what she did was absolutely wrong and unfortunately.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
Right.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
You can't drive your car towards law enforcement, and after
the way she did if not expected.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
So I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
I mean, we're just getting tons and tons of responses
and all kinds of different views on this.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Oh yeah, absolutely, And depending on how you view politics
and how you see ice and how you see protesters,
it kind of skews your view. But then we do
have a lot of people who on social media said
that they appreciate our take.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
One guy said that he thought he was going to.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Be angry when he started watching the video, but that
he wasn't and that you know, we've done a good
job of kind of showing both sides.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, and I think a lot of Americans, the very
loud ones, are the ones that have a very set
point of view on this, and a lot of it,
like you said, has to do with politics. I think
a lot of Americans can can work through some of
the nuance of this story. And like I said in
my post about this yesterday, posting our video of yesterday's conversation,
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you know a lot of people see this as black
and white.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
I think there's some gray here.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Oh.
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