July 15, 2026 • 9 mins
Ryan and Dana talk with National Correspondent Rory O’Neill about ICE making changes and suspending some vehicle stops following deadly shootings in Texas and Maine. They also discuss a deadly situation in Florida and the ongoing debate over immigration enforcement tactics.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Ryan Gorman Show podcast presented by Farah and Farah
Accident attorneys from Tampa.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
ICE is temporarily suspending most vehicle stops during enforcement operations
nationwide after two fatal shootings in Texas and Maine within
a week. The pause is expected to remain in place
while ICE provides officers with additional training on vehicle stop tactics.
And that's not the only change ICE is making. Now,
(00:29):
every ICE arrests team will include at least one law
enforcement officer wearing a body camera. So let's go through
the two incidents. In Houston, an ICE agent fatally shot
fifty two year old Lorenzo Salgado Arujo on July seventh
(00:50):
during an operation. The Harris County Medical Examiner ruled his
death a homicide caused by a gunshot wound to the torso.
The Department of Homeland Security says he rammed a federal
vehicle and attempted to strike an agent, while witnesses who
were inside his van had disputed that account. The Harris
County District Attorney's office conducting independent investigation, but they're saying
(01:12):
federal authorities haven't provided sufficient transparency or identified the agents
involved and then Maine, an ICE agent fatally shot twenty
six year old Columbia national Johann Sebastian Duran Guerrero on
Monday morning during an enforcement operation. DHS says Guerrero attempted
to flee and endangered public safety, but nobody camera footage
(01:37):
exists now. Witness video recorded afterward shows agents removing Guerrero's
pretty much unresponsive body from the vehicle and restraining his risks.
There is footage from a security camera that captured the shooting.
We have it for you on AX. You could follow
(01:58):
us there at Ryan Gorman, but I got to tell
you it's really grainy. And that what's even more unfortunate
about these two incidents. Neither of the individuals who were
killed were the intended target of the enforcement operations. So
first of all, there should absolutely be at least one
person with the body camera involved in all of these operations.
(02:20):
Why that's not the case up to this point, with
all of the drama that ICE has had to deal with,
it's better for ICE if there's a body camera, right exactly,
because about the answer.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
If they're not doing anything wrong, and if they really
did have cause to shoot these people, then they can
prove it if they've got the body camera. But this
this video from the incident in Maine, it's really hard
to tell when he when was he actually shot because
you see the car kind of going around in circles,
and then the officer holding on to the car, and
then they ram the car and then they pull them out.
(02:53):
But it's really difficult to tell exactly what happened right
that video.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Again, we don't know that timeline. At no point in
the vida in the video were the did it look
like the ice agents weren't any kind of danger, whether
he was going to run them over or anything like that.
They weren't anywhere near the vehicle as it was making
that turn right, Well.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
They weren't, but the vehicle was in the middle of
an intersection, almost going around in a circle. But my
question is when was he actually shot? Was he was
he shot right before they took him out of the
vehicle or had he already been shot and the car
was going in circles and then they had to stop
the vehicle because they shot him and he, you know,
was not actually driving the car anymore.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, So that's t see you can see the agent's
aside alongside the car. Yeah, but but that was not
a situation where the car was trying to run them over.
But you're right, the way the car is kind of moving,
you don't know if he was like, I can't tell
if he was shot before that or or right.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
And I've been trying to look for the details of
exactly when they shot him versus is when the police
vehicle rammed his car to stop the car and they
pulled him out, But I can't find that information.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, it's tough to draw any conclusions at the moment
from all of this, but the investigations are underway and
ICE is is definitely making some changes to certain policies
within the agency. Now, let's bring in our national correspondent,
Rory O'Neil, whose reports brought to you by Mark Spain
Real Estate. So, Rory Ice making headlines. You've got incidents
(04:28):
deadly shootings in Houston and Maine, and then you have
a deadly incident here in Florida and Saint Augustine where
you had somebody trying to run away from ICE agents
and ended up getting hit by a vehicle in the
process and dying. Yeah, but ICE is making changes policy
(04:50):
changes to their agency because of all of this.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
They are the Trump administration telling ICE to suspend most
vehicle stops after those two deadly shoes things that you
talked about. So a lot of intense scrutiny. And as
you said, then this incident in Saint Augustine yesterday when
four people got out of a vehicle, one of them
was struck and killed by a semi while trying to
run away from officers. So the suspension of vehicle stops,
(05:17):
you know, it gives the time now is there a
new training that's needed, also, time to roll out these
body cameras. That's the other big criticism of you know,
we thought that in incidents like this, we've had body
camera footage, but Tom Holman says they're still in the
process of rolling that out.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
There's still a lot that we don't know about all
of these incidents. And I've seen some comments that, well,
these people had just complied that right, there wouldn't have
been an issue. I think there's a lot that we
don't know about how all of this unfolded. And I
got to tell you, because of how ICE and the
(05:56):
Department of Homeland Security have handled some of these incidents
in the past, I'm not in to just take them
at their word for exactly how they're saying this all unfolded.
They might be right, but I don't think they get
the benefit of the doubt anymore, at least not in
my mind. I want to see more information. And also
(06:18):
when it comes to complying, like if you had these
individuals and they were trying to ram an ICE agent
or something like that, then obviously I think the shooting
would end up being justified. But neither of the individuals
who were killed in Houston or Maine were the intended
target of the enforcement operations. That's a big question too.
(06:38):
What exactly was going on? How did they get caught
up in it?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Well? Right, and as you said, in that case in Biddeford, Maine,
with the Columbian person who was here legally had a
social Security number, had a work permit. You know, they
say he drove in a threatening way or in a
way that threatened the community. That's not the same thing necessarily,
as you know, trying to run down an Ice office here,
and a lot of different reports about maybe the car
(07:06):
was acting crazily after he was shot and was dead,
it was at the wheel or whatever it may have
been so we're still obviously there's a lot to put together.
Bodycam footage would certainly help in a lot of these.
But again, you know, even though the money was cleared,
Tom Holman said that it was the government shutdown that
slowed down the acquisition of the cameras that have got
(07:27):
to be deployed. By the way, it's not when you
buy those things. It's not just the cameras. Now you
need the training to show them out to do it,
and it's the computers support for it. Now you need
all these servers to store the video and all that stuff.
So there's a lot that you can't just say, everybody,
here's your camera. See on Tuesday. There's a lot to it.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
So have you seen the video. We were talking about
this earlier and we have it on x at Ryan
Gorman's show. Everyone can follow us there and check it out.
This is of the main incident where you've got the
car like going in a circle in the intersection. You
see the members of Ice. They run up to the
side of the vehicle and then eventually they pulled the
(08:06):
guy out after he had been shot. It's not clear
if the person driving, who ended up being Johann Sebastian
Duran Guerrero. If he was shot before he's circling the
intersection in kind of a strange way, or if he
was shot as he was doing it. There are a
(08:28):
lot of questions just about that, and it's very grainy
the footage, the security footage.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah it is. Again, we don't know where it is
in that timeline. Of course, as I said, body camera
footage would help. But we're gonna get more. Look, there
are more doorbells out there, more ring cameras out there.
I think we're going to get more video as this
goes forward. But again, this guy was not the target. No, No,
there's another big red flag. They're like, wait a minute,
why are you harassing this guy? There was a three
year old around. Was his kid in the backseat of
(08:54):
the car. What was really going on?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Unless he was with somebody who was like again, there's
too many questions to draw hard conclusions. We're joined by
our national correspondent, Rory O'Neil. That's kind of what makes
this show a little bit different sometimes. You know, we're
not gonna come on here and tell you this is
exactly what happened. Well, we have all the information, we
just Don't make.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
The Ryan Gorman Show. Podcast up pre set on iHeartRadio,
presented by Farah and Farah Accident Attorneys, Tampa,
The Ryan Gorman Show podcast presented by Farah and Farah
Accident attorneys from Tampa.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
ICE is temporarily suspending most vehicle stops during enforcement operations
nationwide after two fatal shootings in Texas and Maine within
a week. The pause is expected to remain in place
while ICE provides officers with additional training on vehicle stop tactics.
And that's not the only change ICE is making. Now,
(00:29):
every ICE arrests team will include at least one law
enforcement officer wearing a body camera. So let's go through
the two incidents. In Houston, an ICE agent fatally shot
fifty two year old Lorenzo Salgado Arujo on July seventh
(00:50):
during an operation. The Harris County Medical Examiner ruled his
death a homicide caused by a gunshot wound to the torso.
The Department of Homeland Security says he rammed a federal
vehicle and attempted to strike an agent, while witnesses who
were inside his van had disputed that account. The Harris
County District Attorney's office conducting independent investigation, but they're saying
(01:12):
federal authorities haven't provided sufficient transparency or identified the agents
involved and then Maine, an ICE agent fatally shot twenty
six year old Columbia national Johann Sebastian Duran Guerrero on
Monday morning during an enforcement operation. DHS says Guerrero attempted
to flee and endangered public safety, but nobody camera footage
(01:37):
exists now. Witness video recorded afterward shows agents removing Guerrero's
pretty much unresponsive body from the vehicle and restraining his risks.
There is footage from a security camera that captured the shooting.
We have it for you on AX. You could follow
(01:58):
us there at Ryan Gorman, but I got to tell
you it's really grainy. And that what's even more unfortunate
about these two incidents. Neither of the individuals who were
killed were the intended target of the enforcement operations. So
first of all, there should absolutely be at least one
person with the body camera involved in all of these operations.
(02:20):
Why that's not the case up to this point, with
all of the drama that ICE has had to deal with,
it's better for ICE if there's a body camera, right exactly,
because about the answer.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
If they're not doing anything wrong, and if they really
did have cause to shoot these people, then they can
prove it if they've got the body camera. But this
this video from the incident in Maine, it's really hard
to tell when he when was he actually shot because
you see the car kind of going around in circles,
and then the officer holding on to the car, and
then they ram the car and then they pull them out.
(02:53):
But it's really difficult to tell exactly what happened right
that video.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Again, we don't know that timeline. At no point in
the vida in the video were the did it look
like the ice agents weren't any kind of danger, whether
he was going to run them over or anything like that.
They weren't anywhere near the vehicle as it was making
that turn right, Well.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
They weren't, but the vehicle was in the middle of
an intersection, almost going around in a circle. But my
question is when was he actually shot? Was he was
he shot right before they took him out of the
vehicle or had he already been shot and the car
was going in circles and then they had to stop
the vehicle because they shot him and he, you know,
was not actually driving the car anymore.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, So that's t see you can see the agent's
aside alongside the car. Yeah, but but that was not
a situation where the car was trying to run them over.
But you're right, the way the car is kind of moving,
you don't know if he was like, I can't tell
if he was shot before that or or right.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
And I've been trying to look for the details of
exactly when they shot him versus is when the police
vehicle rammed his car to stop the car and they
pulled him out, But I can't find that information.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, it's tough to draw any conclusions at the moment
from all of this, but the investigations are underway and
ICE is is definitely making some changes to certain policies
within the agency. Now, let's bring in our national correspondent,
Rory O'Neil, whose reports brought to you by Mark Spain
Real Estate. So, Rory Ice making headlines. You've got incidents
(04:28):
deadly shootings in Houston and Maine, and then you have
a deadly incident here in Florida and Saint Augustine where
you had somebody trying to run away from ICE agents
and ended up getting hit by a vehicle in the
process and dying. Yeah, but ICE is making changes policy
(04:50):
changes to their agency because of all of this.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
They are the Trump administration telling ICE to suspend most
vehicle stops after those two deadly shoes things that you
talked about. So a lot of intense scrutiny. And as
you said, then this incident in Saint Augustine yesterday when
four people got out of a vehicle, one of them
was struck and killed by a semi while trying to
run away from officers. So the suspension of vehicle stops,
(05:17):
you know, it gives the time now is there a
new training that's needed, also, time to roll out these
body cameras. That's the other big criticism of you know,
we thought that in incidents like this, we've had body
camera footage, but Tom Holman says they're still in the
process of rolling that out.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
There's still a lot that we don't know about all
of these incidents. And I've seen some comments that, well,
these people had just complied that right, there wouldn't have
been an issue. I think there's a lot that we
don't know about how all of this unfolded. And I
got to tell you, because of how ICE and the
(05:56):
Department of Homeland Security have handled some of these incidents
in the past, I'm not in to just take them
at their word for exactly how they're saying this all unfolded.
They might be right, but I don't think they get
the benefit of the doubt anymore, at least not in
my mind. I want to see more information. And also
(06:18):
when it comes to complying, like if you had these
individuals and they were trying to ram an ICE agent
or something like that, then obviously I think the shooting
would end up being justified. But neither of the individuals
who were killed in Houston or Maine were the intended
target of the enforcement operations. That's a big question too.
(06:38):
What exactly was going on? How did they get caught
up in it?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Well? Right, and as you said, in that case in Biddeford, Maine,
with the Columbian person who was here legally had a
social Security number, had a work permit. You know, they
say he drove in a threatening way or in a
way that threatened the community. That's not the same thing necessarily,
as you know, trying to run down an Ice office here,
and a lot of different reports about maybe the car
(07:06):
was acting crazily after he was shot and was dead,
it was at the wheel or whatever it may have
been so we're still obviously there's a lot to put together.
Bodycam footage would certainly help in a lot of these.
But again, you know, even though the money was cleared,
Tom Holman said that it was the government shutdown that
slowed down the acquisition of the cameras that have got
(07:27):
to be deployed. By the way, it's not when you
buy those things. It's not just the cameras. Now you
need the training to show them out to do it,
and it's the computers support for it. Now you need
all these servers to store the video and all that stuff.
So there's a lot that you can't just say, everybody,
here's your camera. See on Tuesday. There's a lot to it.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
So have you seen the video. We were talking about
this earlier and we have it on x at Ryan
Gorman's show. Everyone can follow us there and check it out.
This is of the main incident where you've got the
car like going in a circle in the intersection. You
see the members of Ice. They run up to the
side of the vehicle and then eventually they pulled the
(08:06):
guy out after he had been shot. It's not clear
if the person driving, who ended up being Johann Sebastian
Duran Guerrero. If he was shot before he's circling the
intersection in kind of a strange way, or if he
was shot as he was doing it. There are a
(08:28):
lot of questions just about that, and it's very grainy
the footage, the security footage.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah it is. Again, we don't know where it is
in that timeline. Of course, as I said, body camera
footage would help. But we're gonna get more. Look, there
are more doorbells out there, more ring cameras out there.
I think we're going to get more video as this
goes forward. But again, this guy was not the target. No, No,
there's another big red flag. They're like, wait a minute,
why are you harassing this guy? There was a three
year old around. Was his kid in the backseat of
(08:54):
the car. What was really going on?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Unless he was with somebody who was like again, there's
too many questions to draw hard conclusions. We're joined by
our national correspondent, Rory O'Neil. That's kind of what makes
this show a little bit different sometimes. You know, we're
not gonna come on here and tell you this is
exactly what happened. Well, we have all the information, we
just Don't make.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
The Ryan Gorman Show. Podcast up pre set on iHeartRadio,
presented by Farah and Farah Accident Attorneys, Tampa,
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