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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Oh, welcome, vaculays and bumps to wait to hear what
you have to say. Wow, well, we're happy to be back.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
One more thing about.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
The part warmer in the studio, I'd be happier to
be back.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah, Dragon's sitting in a deep freeze, his his thermostat
or his little fireplace he keeps back there. It's just
not working at all. And mine, mine's mine is relatively speaking,
much warmer than his. But mine this morning seems to
be kind of hanging on by a thread.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
It's warm, it's not hot.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
But it's not toasty like I like.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It's pumping out warm ish air.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yes, it just hasn't gotten to where it should be yet.
Like yeah, yeah, where mine is actively pumping out cold air?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
She is.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So he's back there in this he looks like Fetterman,
looks like John Fetterman. Back there. He just needs to
pull this hoodie up. I want to move on to
the from the pardons, except that I want you to
understand something and this is driving me nuts. Go my
number forty one thirty seven. I'd like to see your
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source for this, Michael. Pardons are intended for named crimes
and convictions, not blanket after justice has been pursued. Now,
I'm not quite sure what that sentence means, but let's
start with the fact that pardons are intended for named
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crimes and convictions, not let's just stop there. Have you
read it? I don't think you've read it. Article two,
Section two, Clause one of the US Constitution reads very clearly,
the President shall be Commander in chief of the Army
and Navy of the United States and other militia of
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the several States. When called into the actual service of
the United States, he may require the opinion in writing
of the Principal Officer in each of the Executive Departments
upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices.
And he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons
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for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.
That is the only limitation on the unambiguous language of
the Constitution. Now, there's a Supreme Court case at seventy
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one US page three seventy three Garland v. US. In
which it acknowledges that the president's authority to grant pardons
is subject only to the exception of cases of impeachment.
And with that exception. The power is unlimited. So while
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we may not have heard or experienced pre empty pardons before,
you kind of actually have because in many ways, the
pardon of Richard Nixon by Gerald Ford was a p empty.
He pardoned Nixon for any crimes he may have committed.
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I get it, get it through your This is and
there are a lot of historical reasons for this power
of the part that there needed to be some pressure
relief valve that in a unified execut would allow the
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president where he thought justice was best served, to grant
a pardon, to grant clemency, to commute a sentence for
offenses against the United States, except in a case of impeachment.
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So otherwise it's unlimited. So when you send me a
text that says pardons are intended for named crime, that's
not what it says. That text continues. So now a
president pardons the entire Justice Department for unnamed crimes, and
we have just become a lawless nation, no better than
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the Third Reich. This cannot stand. It could be argued
it is a treasonous president. Well he would He would
have to name every individual, will, every secretary, every assistant,
every custodian janitor, everybody within the Justice Department for any
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crimes they may have committed against the United States. And
while that would be unprecedented, that's not what he did.
So if you want, if you want to put it
in perspective, your text message forty one thirty seven, does that,
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because that's not what he did. He did it to
the January sixth Committee, the staff of the January sixth Committee,
did I say that, right, the congressional members of the committee,
the staff of the committee. He did it for General Millie,
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he did it for doctor Fauci, and then he did
it for particular named members of his family. So he
did not do what you are suggesting would be a
lawless nation, no better than the third Right now, I'm
not saying I like what he did. I don't like
what he did at all. Oh I understand why he
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did it, because he tries to convince you that he
did it because he was afraid that and this was
his last this was his last kind of stab at
Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
His dying breath, as it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Were, exactly in his dying breath he said, I'm not
going to allow you to do to my family and
to these individuals what we did to you. He didn't
just blanket Why didn't he issue a pardon to Merrick Garland?
Why didn't he issue a pardon to Jack Smith? Why
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didn't he issue a pardon to and his name escapes me,
the US attorney for this District of Columbia. There was
prosscuting the January sixth cases. He didn't do any of that. So,
while I don't like what he did in the context
of your text message, he was much more limited than
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what you say would be make us a lawless nation,
no better than the third Reich. He just took it
further than other presidents ever have, but not to the
extent that you say. It shows, and I think this
is the lesson to learn. It shows what a despicable
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human being. Joe Biden is absolutely despicable. Donald Trump has
made it clear that now if Congress wants to go
investigate their own committee, the January sixth Committee, and if
they want to, in that course of the investigation find
that they did destroy documents, they did destroy evidence, and
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they want to make a referral to the to the
new US Attorney for the District of Columbia, then have
at it. I'm all, you know, that's fine. If Pam Bondy,
upon her confirmation, wants to open up an investigation into
the January sixth Committee to see if indeed they did
violate a crime, and then if she finds they did
prosecute that crime, then that's fine. If she wants to investigate,
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that's fine. And she doesn't want to investigate, that's fine,
because all of what we're talking about right now is
the last desperate act of a man trying to protect
his family and trying to put a dagger in Trump
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who he believed. And I don't believe. I don't believe
for a minute that Donald Trump was going to direct
or would direct Pam Bondy to go out and to
persecute without any sort of legit investigation, much like Jack
Smith did, the crimes or whatever the crimes are that
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this Chainey may indeed have committed, or Adam Kinzinger or
any of the other staffers, or any of the members
of the January sixth Committee, I don't think so. The
only thing that Trump has done is he has he
has pardoned some of the January sixth convictions. He has
commuted the sentences of some of the January sixth, defendants,
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and they are still looking at some others, trying to
decide what would be right or appropriate to do with
some of the others. And because I don't know all
of the circumstances upon which some of those pardons and
commutations were granted, I don't know what his standard has
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been for the granting of those. But I don't question
his ability to do it any more than I question
the ability, even though I don't like it, the question
the ability of Biden to do what he's done. So
with that, I'm done with the pardons now. If for
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some reason you want an explanation of the verdict US
Supreme Court case, I'm more than happy to walk through that,
because that's the lawyer in me and that's what I like.
But I think I think I've gotten through enough that
what Biden did was petty, it was self serving, and
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it was one last political stab at Donald Trump. That's
all we need to know about that man. It's something
that we knew a long time ago. Do you know
what my greater interest is? Because I love history. Do
you know what my greater interest now is more than
anything about these pardons? What do you think it is?
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Just what do you think My greatest interest in learning
about the Biden administration from a historical perspective is and
that is how bad was his condition? How soon did
they know it? What all did the media the cabal
do to cover it up? Was there collusion? And I
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don't mean that in any sort of illegal way, but
was there any collusion? And I want to know how,
the who, what, where, when and why of collusion between
the cabal and the family members and the staff and
the Obama acolytes, all of the people that that were
in that kind of orb of the Biden White House.
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When did they know it? And what did they know?
Because I truly ble do believe we've gone through four
years of Look you heard the and I don't have
in front of me off in a minute. You heard
Mike Johnson talk to Barry Weiss. It's probably over the
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Free Press. Loglo to see if I can find it
the Free Press. The SoundBite where Barry Weiss is talking
to Speaker Johnson and she's asking about Biden's meddle condition,
and Johnson talks about sometime last year he was in
the Oval office. He kept asking this is soon after
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he became Speaker he wanted a meeting with the President
to talk about some serious national security concerns, and he
could not get a meeting. He wanted a meeting between
himself and the president. Now, usually the chief of staff
will be president president, but he just wanted, you know,
the two of them. He couldn't get it. Couldn't get it,
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couldn't get it. He finally then started expanding his requests.
He started reaching outside the White House to some of
the Biden you know donors and others. Hey, I need
to see the president. So he finally got the meeting.
He goes to the meeting, He shows up and there's
a whole there's a whole group of people in the meeting,
and he feels like he's been ambushed. So he finally says,
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I need some time alone with the President, and the
President asked to clear the room. And the first thing
he does is he asked the President, why did you
and why did you sign this executive order that stopped
the export of liquid fied natural gas. The Ellen, the
L and G and Biden says, I didn't do that.
And there's this back and forth where Speaker Johnson is
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trying to explain to President Biden that yes, indeed you did.
You signed an executive order, and they just go back
and forth, and Biden finally says, I didn't do that.
I signed in an executive vorter that just started a
committee to under you know, to study whether or not
what you do with liquid fied natural gas. And it
was at that moment that Speaker Johnson says to Berry Weiss,
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I knew he was signing things that he didn't know
what he was doing. So I want to know who
was drafting those who was making those decisions, because it
is my firm belief, it is my absolute, unassailable You
cannot convince me otherwise until you show me the empirical evidence.
But I believe we have just gone through at least
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three years, if not four years, and Edith Wilson running
the country. Yeah, I don't think it's I don't think
it was Jill Biden. I think it was partially Jill Biden.
I think it was Hunter Biden, and I think it
was some of the Obama people that were in that
sphere of influence that were making the decisions. And I
sincerely believe that we are lucky. We are lucky as hell.
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That I mean I know we've got Ukraine and Russia.
I know we've got the Middle East, We've got China
and Taiwan. But at least China didn't invade Taiwan. At
they didn't. I mean, they're making incursions in the Philippines,
but at least they didn't, like we invade the Philippines
because I'm not quite sure what he would have done.
I don't think for the past three or four years
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we've been governed by a lucid president. It's been weekend
at Bernie's. It has been something which I want to
live long enough in my life to read a definitive
history of what really took place during the past four years.
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That's what I care about now, That's what I care about.
So let's move on. Enough about pardons, enough about all
the other stuff. The thing I found fascinating about yesterday,
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and quite generally, quite honestly, that I found as I
would flip through the cables and the network works because
everybody was pretty much walled the wall coverage yesterday was
where were the demonstrations? Where was the women's march? Where
were where were you? I know there was a guillotine,
somebody put a guillotine on somewhere out on the outside.
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And I know there were some protesters, and I know
that they're down by the Lincoln Memorial. There were there
were thousands of protesters. But we didn't have burning buildings.
We didn't have you know, riots, We didn't we didn't
have anything. We did have, you know, people that took
to the streets and there were hundreds of arrests, and
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there were protests across the country and around the world.
There were protests in London, Berlin, Sydney, over you know,
you know, Oh my gosh, we got a fascist dictatorship
coming back into power again. Uh, twenty twenty five. No,
that was twenty seventeen, twenty seventeen. Because there was no
top arble respond to. Yesterday, Al Sharpton spoke at a
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rally and a couple of hundred protesters showed up in
San Francisco, and there were only tiny protests in London, Switzerland,
and surprisingly in Panama. I wonder what Panama's upset about.
I can't imagine what Panama might be upset about. Now.
It's not as though there was no resistance whatsoever. Tens
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of thousands protested Trump before the inauguration. Lawsuits have been filed. Yes,
we'll get into the details of the lawsuits in a minute,
but those are blips compared to eight years ago. And
some of them, like London and Panama, those two protests,
those actually had to do with actual issues like climate change.
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In the Panama tonight, they would have protested yesterday, but
it was cold.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
They couldn't do it in the cold.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
No, and it was gold. I found. I found the
sound bite I want. I want to walk you through
this because this is Barry Wise talking to Speaker Johnson
about the meeting in the Oval office. It's this is
why I'm fascinated about the.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
History about Biden. For a second. Yeah, you have said
that he is the worst I actually want to quote this,
make sure I get it right. You have said that
he is the worst president in the history of this country,
worse even than James Buchanan. I mean say that. Yes
you did. I didn't say James Buchanan. No, you didn't
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say James Buchanan who said Biden is the worst president
in the history of the country with him about to
leave office. Yes, do you want to realize that or
do you still nice? I do stand Biden and I
say this without any personal animus at all. I mean,
you know, in some ways, I actually kind of feel
sorry for Joe Biden. I mean, he's in the twilight
years of his life. He is not obviously has not
been in charge for some time. And I know this
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by personal observation, and now the whole world knows it.
And it's been very, very concerning to me over the
last you know, year and a half since I've had
this was the story when you say personal observation, would
would well, this is it's public now because the Wall
Street Journal got it and put it on the front page.
But January a year ago, almost exactly a year ago,
I had been asking. I became speaker in October twenty
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twenty three, and there were all sorts of big national
security concerns and everything going on, and I started requesting
a meeting with the president because you know, I'm kind
of old school. I'm a constitutional law guy. Speaker of
the House should be able to talk to the president,
especially in times of great national interest and calamity. But
they wouldn't let me meet with him, and his staff kept
putting getting any excuses. This went on for like eight
or nine weeks. I'm sorry, miss speaker, he doesn't have time.
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What are you talking about it. I'm second line of
the presidency. He has time. I need to talk to him.
We had I can't say the class bad parts, but
we had some big, big national concerns at the time
that I was losing sleepover. Finally, I just went to
the whole press cort and I said, the president is
not being allowed to meet with a speaker. There's a problem.
So they started putting pressure on them. Long story short,
they finally relented. They invited me to the White House.
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I show up, and I realized it's actually an ambush
because it's not just me and the president, it's also
Kamala Harris, Chuck Schumer, Hakeim, you know, the whole day,
CIA director, everybody. And then so I walked in the
Oval and h how.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Much you know? That may not be important to you,
but that's important to me. You you're the You're you're
second in line to the presidency. It is routine, regardless
of party, for presidents and speakers to meet. Ronald Reagan
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famously met with Tippleneil all the time, lunched together because
cutting deals, trying to resolve differences and forging a relationship.
So if in time of some sort of national catastrophe,
they had a pre existing you know, pre sergecy, pre
existing condition, maybe that's true, a pre existing relationship ships.
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That's what Johnson's trying to accomplish. And he shows up
and who's there, Chuck Schumer, Hackeen, jeffries, what what the
hell's that about?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
For a second, you have said that he is the worst.
I actually want to quote this, make sure I go
I'm rightsident.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I screwed that up.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Security concerns and everything's going on, and I started to
requesting a meeting with the president, because you know, I'm
kind of old school, I'm a constitution law guy. Speaker
of the House should be able to talk to the president,
especially in times of great national interest and calamity, big
national concerns. At the time that I was losing sleepover. Finally,
I just went to the Hill Press corn and I said,
the president is not being allowed to meet with a speaker.
There's a problem. So they started putting pressure on him.
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Long story short, they finally relented. They invited me to
the White House. I show up and I realized it's
actually an ambush because it's not just me and the President,
it's also Kamala Harris, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem, you know, the whole,
the CIA director, everybody. And then so I walked in
the Oval and ah, I know what this is. This
is a they're going to hot box this on Ukraine funding.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
That's what it was.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
This is probably third week of January. We sit down,
we're in the midst of it, and the cool conversation,
and I'm going, we don't need to have this conversation.
The President reaches over just like this. We're sitting in
the right next to the fireplace in the Oval, and
he grabs my arm and he says, the speaker and
I just need a couple minutes together. Would y'all just
leave us alone? And I looked up on the faces
of some of the staff standing around the wall and
they're like, no, he did it. So he called it.
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He's the commander in chiefs. Everybody leaves. He and I
are standing awkwardly in the middle of the Oval office,
right over the rug by that coffee table, and I said,
miss President, thanks for the moments. You know, this is
very important. I got some big national security things I
need to talk to you about that I heard, and
I think you know and what do we do? But first,
real quickly, miss President, can I ask you a question
I cannot answer this from my constituents in Louisiana. Sir,
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why did you pause LNG exports to Europe? Like I
don't understand. You know, liquified natural gas is in great
demand by our allies. Why would you do that? Because
you understand we just talked about Ukraine. You understand your
fuel in Vladimir Putin's war machine because they got to
get their gas from him, you know. And he looks
at me, stunned with this, and he said, I didn't
I didn't do that. I said, Miss President, you, yes,
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you did. It was an executive order like you know,
three weeks ago, and he goes, no, I didn't do that.
He's arguing with me. I said, Miss President, respectfully, can
I could I go out here and ask your secretary
to print it out. We'll read it together. You definitely
did that, and he goes, oh, you talk about natural gas? Yes, sir?
He said no, No, did you misunderstand? He said? What
I did is I signed this thing to We're we're
going to conduct a study on the effects of energy.
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I said, no, you're not, sir, you paused it. I
know I have the terminal, the export terminals in my state.
I talked to those people this morning. This is doing
massive damage to our economy, national security. It occurred to
me very he was not lying to me. He genuinely
did not know what he had signed. And I walked
out of that meeting with fear and loathing because I thought,
we're in serious trouble. Who is running the country like
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I don't know who put the paper in front of him,
But he didn't know.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
He didn't know, he did not know. That's unbelievable, and
that's what I want to live long enough to find
out who was running things. Now, fast forward yesterday. Well
before we fast forward, let's go back. So in twenty seventeen,
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we've got riots, we've got all these protests, we have
everything else, and then you go to yesterday and it's
barely a peep. Of course, Panama held a little protest
somewhere because Trump says he wants to Panama Canal back.
And of course the Brits had a protest because they're
all pissed off about NATO and they're pissed off about
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any number of things, but that almost virtually no protests
is completely disproportional to the rhetoric that was leveled against Trump,
not just over the past four years, but over the
past eight years. They continued to protest Trump even after
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he left the White House four years ago, and then
when he's coming back into the White House, it's just like, Okay,
he's coming back. The closest thing I saw yesterday to
Hitler was Elon Musk with his aspergers, covers his heart
and then throws his hand into the air, his right
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hand into the air, and oh, my gosh. MSNBC exploded
with look, there it is. There's the Nazi salute. And
then they all jump in. And then even this morning,
poor little KDVR says, oh and yes, and many are
all so you know, even like I'm talking about it,
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KDVR even talks about it and says, yes, they're already
talking about how you know Elon Musk gave the Nazi salute.
And of course you can go you can go an
X and you can find any number of Democrats, you know,
throwing their hands into the air. And somehow if you
throw your hand in it, if you go to a
basketball game, if you go watch the Nuggets, you can't
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watch the Broncos apparently. And you watch any other game
and you throw your hand in the air because somebody
does something great or stupid and you throw your hand
in the air, you just might be a Nazi. The
biggest protest that I saw was Van Jones over on
CNN that he says he felt miserable and that he's
mad at everybody. That's pretty strong words, right. Van Jones said,
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Trump's going to unleash this blitzkrieg of attacks on everything
we care about, immigrants, clean energy. But he didn't shout
it like I just did. He just said, yes, He's
going to unleash miscreet and then Trump went off and
started signing the executive orders, and that was fascinating. Now,
some of the executive orders are normally signed immediately after
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the president's sworn in, just like you saw yesterday in
the US Capitol, because he has to immediately get control of,
you know, naming the people he wants to be acting
for the departments and agencies where those secretaries have not
yet been confirmed, and to you know, pretty much take
control of the executive branch. That's usually done because everything's
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being shown outside. That was done inside, and we got
sea it this time. But then he went to the
rally over at Capitol One Arena and in front of
what was it, twenty some thousand, you know, screaming fans,
sits down and signs executive orders and then goes to
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the Oval Office before he heads to the bulls, and
with reporters in the Oval Office, starts to sign more
executive orders. And just while he's signing, you know that
poor staffers trying to explain to the president what this
one is, what this one does, and let me make
something clear about that. The President already knows the terms
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of them. He just needs to know which one he's
signing so he can make a communy to be oh,
this is a really big one, or yeah, there a
lot of people aren't going to like this, but here
we go. He knew exactly what he was signing because
those had been prepared weeks in events with his approval.
But while he's signing them, he's taking questions for an hour, unscripted, unrehearsed,
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just letting just letting the reporters stand there in the
Oval Office. I'm sure they were all having an orgasm.
Oh my god, we're sending here next to the president
while he signs these executive voters and he's letting us
ask questions. Trump was signing executive orders that we're going
to it. That did, and and I would say, effectively
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end much of the Democrats agenda over the past four years.
I mean, just simple things like requiring that the US
government only recognize male and female. Is when you stop,
when you step back and think about it, that's really serious,
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but it's also freaking hilarious. He stopped all the offshore
wind development. He withdrew us from the Paris Climate Accords.
He put an end to government censorship. So where are
the protests? Where? Where? Where's where are all the climate activists?
I mean, I would I would have thought that the
Church of the climate activists would have been holding some
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sort of prayer vigil somewhere and then and then telling
us how you know, I mean, do you know that
they have blizzard warnings in Houston? Yeah, blizzard warnings and
dragon I right now are freezing our asses off. And
you know what it was like over the weekend. So
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what's different from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty four. I
think part of it is the Democrats and those who
support the Democrats most importantly, the rank and file, just
the average Democrat out there and all their little special
interest groups are as fed up with the performance the
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poor performance of Harris and Biden as we are with
the substance of their poor performance. And I think they're
pissed off about the margin of defeat. And I think
there's a lack of enthusiasm about about what well, not
even a lack of but that's not even the right
way to put it. I think it's their questioning what
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is origenda Michael now, was Elon Musk trolling? Not his
finest I might agree, except if you watch the entire clip,
comes bouncing out onto the stage, and he is he
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has ass Burgers, and he is one of these brilliant intellects.
And one of those things that you see with a
person who has asked Burgers is exaggeration, exaggerated emotions, and
physical accompaniment to those emotions. And so I don't think
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it was trolling at all. I think it was just
his wildly out of control physicality. But anyway, so let's
go back to what's going off Democrats right now. I
think they're truly discombobulated. Polls show that either a majority
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of Democrats or at least a significant percentage of them,
agree with Trump on things like energy, immigration, transgender issues.
And as such, the reason the Democrat and just the
kind of the old stereo type liberal Democrat, why they're
so quiet is because they have been defeated morally and
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not just politically. Not all of them, but I think
enough of them know that Trump is right and their
own party interest groups are wrong on border, energy and transgenderism.
Now let me make clear before you jumped in and
you know, start screaming at me. The hard left activists,
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the Marxist wing of the Democrat Party have had so
much influence because they had that bumbling old fool that
didn't know what executive orders he was signing. So if
the Marxists who believe in the in the church of
the climate activists, in the invasion of the southern border,
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they believe in transgenderism, they know they don't have the
support of even the majority of their own party, much
less a majority of Americans, So they don't have the
incentive to go into the streets to demand you know,
more expensive energy, more more invasion, or actually just the
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concept of men using women's restrooms. No, they just they
just know that they know it's wrong. But the progressive
Marxist Democrats remain really strong in most of the Blue states.
Look at Colorado for example. Colorado is as I tweeted
out yesterday, imagine Colorado with everything that happened yesterday. Imagine
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a Trump like governor. And while I would love to
have a conservative majority in both the House and the
Senate in Colorado, I'd be happy to have a conservative
majority in one or the other, because that way between
a concern a true electable you know Kara's leader that's
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a conservative Republican as governor in Colorado, this state could
turn around. And I know we've got the problem with
the Front Range and the majority of the crazies on
the Front Range, but I think with the right leadership,
I think that all of those people that live outside
the Front Range and those who live inside the Front
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Range but yet are kind of out shouted shouted down
by the Marxist wing, would get their voices back and
we could see the same change at the state level.
But Democrats remain strong in blue states, and I think
that they're shocked, and they are powerless right now except
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hang on
Oh, welcome, vaculays and bumps to wait to hear what
you have to say. Wow, well, we're happy to be back.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
One more thing about.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
The part warmer in the studio, I'd be happier to
be back.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah, Dragon's sitting in a deep freeze, his his thermostat
or his little fireplace he keeps back there. It's just
not working at all. And mine, mine's mine is relatively speaking,
much warmer than his. But mine this morning seems to
be kind of hanging on by a thread.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
It's warm, it's not hot.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
But it's not toasty like I like.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It's pumping out warm ish air.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yes, it just hasn't gotten to where it should be yet.
Like yeah, yeah, where mine is actively pumping out cold air?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
She is.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So he's back there in this he looks like Fetterman,
looks like John Fetterman. Back there. He just needs to
pull this hoodie up. I want to move on to
the from the pardons, except that I want you to
understand something and this is driving me nuts. Go my
number forty one thirty seven. I'd like to see your
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source for this, Michael. Pardons are intended for named crimes
and convictions, not blanket after justice has been pursued. Now,
I'm not quite sure what that sentence means, but let's
start with the fact that pardons are intended for named
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crimes and convictions, not let's just stop there. Have you
read it? I don't think you've read it. Article two,
Section two, Clause one of the US Constitution reads very clearly,
the President shall be Commander in chief of the Army
and Navy of the United States and other militia of
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the several States. When called into the actual service of
the United States, he may require the opinion in writing
of the Principal Officer in each of the Executive Departments
upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices.
And he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons
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for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.
That is the only limitation on the unambiguous language of
the Constitution. Now, there's a Supreme Court case at seventy
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one US page three seventy three Garland v. US. In
which it acknowledges that the president's authority to grant pardons
is subject only to the exception of cases of impeachment.
And with that exception. The power is unlimited. So while
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we may not have heard or experienced pre empty pardons before,
you kind of actually have because in many ways, the
pardon of Richard Nixon by Gerald Ford was a p empty.
He pardoned Nixon for any crimes he may have committed.
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I get it, get it through your This is and
there are a lot of historical reasons for this power
of the part that there needed to be some pressure
relief valve that in a unified execut would allow the
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president where he thought justice was best served, to grant
a pardon, to grant clemency, to commute a sentence for
offenses against the United States, except in a case of impeachment.
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So otherwise it's unlimited. So when you send me a
text that says pardons are intended for named crime, that's
not what it says. That text continues. So now a
president pardons the entire Justice Department for unnamed crimes, and
we have just become a lawless nation, no better than
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the Third Reich. This cannot stand. It could be argued
it is a treasonous president. Well he would He would
have to name every individual, will, every secretary, every assistant,
every custodian janitor, everybody within the Justice Department for any
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crimes they may have committed against the United States. And
while that would be unprecedented, that's not what he did.
So if you want, if you want to put it
in perspective, your text message forty one thirty seven, does that,
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because that's not what he did. He did it to
the January sixth Committee, the staff of the January sixth Committee,
did I say that, right, the congressional members of the committee,
the staff of the committee. He did it for General Millie,
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he did it for doctor Fauci, and then he did
it for particular named members of his family. So he
did not do what you are suggesting would be a
lawless nation, no better than the third Right now, I'm
not saying I like what he did. I don't like
what he did at all. Oh I understand why he
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did it, because he tries to convince you that he
did it because he was afraid that and this was
his last this was his last kind of stab at
Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
His dying breath, as it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Were, exactly in his dying breath he said, I'm not
going to allow you to do to my family and
to these individuals what we did to you. He didn't
just blanket Why didn't he issue a pardon to Merrick Garland?
Why didn't he issue a pardon to Jack Smith? Why
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didn't he issue a pardon to and his name escapes me,
the US attorney for this District of Columbia. There was
prosscuting the January sixth cases. He didn't do any of that. So,
while I don't like what he did in the context
of your text message, he was much more limited than
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what you say would be make us a lawless nation,
no better than the third Reich. He just took it
further than other presidents ever have, but not to the
extent that you say. It shows, and I think this
is the lesson to learn. It shows what a despicable
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human being. Joe Biden is absolutely despicable. Donald Trump has
made it clear that now if Congress wants to go
investigate their own committee, the January sixth Committee, and if
they want to, in that course of the investigation find
that they did destroy documents, they did destroy evidence, and
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they want to make a referral to the to the
new US Attorney for the District of Columbia, then have
at it. I'm all, you know, that's fine. If Pam Bondy,
upon her confirmation, wants to open up an investigation into
the January sixth Committee to see if indeed they did
violate a crime, and then if she finds they did
prosecute that crime, then that's fine. If she wants to investigate,
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that's fine. And she doesn't want to investigate, that's fine,
because all of what we're talking about right now is
the last desperate act of a man trying to protect
his family and trying to put a dagger in Trump
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who he believed. And I don't believe. I don't believe
for a minute that Donald Trump was going to direct
or would direct Pam Bondy to go out and to
persecute without any sort of legit investigation, much like Jack
Smith did, the crimes or whatever the crimes are that
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this Chainey may indeed have committed, or Adam Kinzinger or
any of the other staffers, or any of the members
of the January sixth Committee, I don't think so. The
only thing that Trump has done is he has he
has pardoned some of the January sixth convictions. He has
commuted the sentences of some of the January sixth, defendants,
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and they are still looking at some others, trying to
decide what would be right or appropriate to do with
some of the others. And because I don't know all
of the circumstances upon which some of those pardons and
commutations were granted, I don't know what his standard has
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been for the granting of those. But I don't question
his ability to do it any more than I question
the ability, even though I don't like it, the question
the ability of Biden to do what he's done. So
with that, I'm done with the pardons now. If for
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some reason you want an explanation of the verdict US
Supreme Court case, I'm more than happy to walk through that,
because that's the lawyer in me and that's what I like.
But I think I think I've gotten through enough that
what Biden did was petty, it was self serving, and
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it was one last political stab at Donald Trump. That's
all we need to know about that man. It's something
that we knew a long time ago. Do you know
what my greater interest is? Because I love history. Do
you know what my greater interest now is more than
anything about these pardons? What do you think it is?
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Just what do you think My greatest interest in learning
about the Biden administration from a historical perspective is and
that is how bad was his condition? How soon did
they know it? What all did the media the cabal
do to cover it up? Was there collusion? And I
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don't mean that in any sort of illegal way, but
was there any collusion? And I want to know how,
the who, what, where, when and why of collusion between
the cabal and the family members and the staff and
the Obama acolytes, all of the people that that were
in that kind of orb of the Biden White House.
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When did they know it? And what did they know?
Because I truly ble do believe we've gone through four
years of Look you heard the and I don't have
in front of me off in a minute. You heard
Mike Johnson talk to Barry Weiss. It's probably over the
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Free Press. Loglo to see if I can find it
the Free Press. The SoundBite where Barry Weiss is talking
to Speaker Johnson and she's asking about Biden's meddle condition,
and Johnson talks about sometime last year he was in
the Oval office. He kept asking this is soon after
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he became Speaker he wanted a meeting with the President
to talk about some serious national security concerns, and he
could not get a meeting. He wanted a meeting between
himself and the president. Now, usually the chief of staff
will be president president, but he just wanted, you know,
the two of them. He couldn't get it. Couldn't get it,
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couldn't get it. He finally then started expanding his requests.
He started reaching outside the White House to some of
the Biden you know donors and others. Hey, I need
to see the president. So he finally got the meeting.
He goes to the meeting, He shows up and there's
a whole there's a whole group of people in the meeting,
and he feels like he's been ambushed. So he finally says,
(13:09):
I need some time alone with the President, and the
President asked to clear the room. And the first thing
he does is he asked the President, why did you
and why did you sign this executive order that stopped
the export of liquid fied natural gas. The Ellen, the
L and G and Biden says, I didn't do that.
And there's this back and forth where Speaker Johnson is
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trying to explain to President Biden that yes, indeed you did.
You signed an executive order, and they just go back
and forth, and Biden finally says, I didn't do that.
I signed in an executive vorter that just started a
committee to under you know, to study whether or not
what you do with liquid fied natural gas. And it
was at that moment that Speaker Johnson says to Berry Weiss,
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I knew he was signing things that he didn't know
what he was doing. So I want to know who
was drafting those who was making those decisions, because it
is my firm belief, it is my absolute, unassailable You
cannot convince me otherwise until you show me the empirical evidence.
But I believe we have just gone through at least
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three years, if not four years, and Edith Wilson running
the country. Yeah, I don't think it's I don't think
it was Jill Biden. I think it was partially Jill Biden.
I think it was Hunter Biden, and I think it
was some of the Obama people that were in that
sphere of influence that were making the decisions. And I
sincerely believe that we are lucky. We are lucky as hell.
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That I mean I know we've got Ukraine and Russia.
I know we've got the Middle East, We've got China
and Taiwan. But at least China didn't invade Taiwan. At
they didn't. I mean, they're making incursions in the Philippines,
but at least they didn't, like we invade the Philippines
because I'm not quite sure what he would have done.
I don't think for the past three or four years
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we've been governed by a lucid president. It's been weekend
at Bernie's. It has been something which I want to
live long enough in my life to read a definitive
history of what really took place during the past four years.
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That's what I care about now, That's what I care about.
So let's move on. Enough about pardons, enough about all
the other stuff. The thing I found fascinating about yesterday,
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and quite generally, quite honestly, that I found as I
would flip through the cables and the network works because
everybody was pretty much walled the wall coverage yesterday was
where were the demonstrations? Where was the women's march? Where
were where were you? I know there was a guillotine,
somebody put a guillotine on somewhere out on the outside.
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And I know there were some protesters, and I know
that they're down by the Lincoln Memorial. There were there
were thousands of protesters. But we didn't have burning buildings.
We didn't have you know, riots, We didn't we didn't
have anything. We did have, you know, people that took
to the streets and there were hundreds of arrests, and
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there were protests across the country and around the world.
There were protests in London, Berlin, Sydney, over you know,
you know, Oh my gosh, we got a fascist dictatorship
coming back into power again. Uh, twenty twenty five. No,
that was twenty seventeen, twenty seventeen. Because there was no
top arble respond to. Yesterday, Al Sharpton spoke at a
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rally and a couple of hundred protesters showed up in
San Francisco, and there were only tiny protests in London, Switzerland,
and surprisingly in Panama. I wonder what Panama's upset about.
I can't imagine what Panama might be upset about. Now.
It's not as though there was no resistance whatsoever. Tens
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of thousands protested Trump before the inauguration. Lawsuits have been filed. Yes,
we'll get into the details of the lawsuits in a minute,
but those are blips compared to eight years ago. And
some of them, like London and Panama, those two protests,
those actually had to do with actual issues like climate change.
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In the Panama tonight, they would have protested yesterday, but
it was cold.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
They couldn't do it in the cold.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
No, and it was gold. I found. I found the
sound bite I want. I want to walk you through
this because this is Barry Wise talking to Speaker Johnson
about the meeting in the Oval office. It's this is
why I'm fascinated about the.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
History about Biden. For a second. Yeah, you have said
that he is the worst I actually want to quote this,
make sure I get it right. You have said that
he is the worst president in the history of this country,
worse even than James Buchanan. I mean say that. Yes
you did. I didn't say James Buchanan. No, you didn't
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say James Buchanan who said Biden is the worst president
in the history of the country with him about to
leave office. Yes, do you want to realize that or
do you still nice? I do stand Biden and I
say this without any personal animus at all. I mean,
you know, in some ways, I actually kind of feel
sorry for Joe Biden. I mean, he's in the twilight
years of his life. He is not obviously has not
been in charge for some time. And I know this
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by personal observation, and now the whole world knows it.
And it's been very, very concerning to me over the
last you know, year and a half since I've had
this was the story when you say personal observation, would
would well, this is it's public now because the Wall
Street Journal got it and put it on the front page.
But January a year ago, almost exactly a year ago,
I had been asking. I became speaker in October twenty
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twenty three, and there were all sorts of big national
security concerns and everything going on, and I started requesting
a meeting with the president because you know, I'm kind
of old school. I'm a constitutional law guy. Speaker of
the House should be able to talk to the president,
especially in times of great national interest and calamity. But
they wouldn't let me meet with him, and his staff kept
putting getting any excuses. This went on for like eight
or nine weeks. I'm sorry, miss speaker, he doesn't have time.
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What are you talking about it. I'm second line of
the presidency. He has time. I need to talk to him.
We had I can't say the class bad parts, but
we had some big, big national concerns at the time
that I was losing sleepover. Finally, I just went to
the whole press cort and I said, the president is
not being allowed to meet with a speaker. There's a problem.
So they started putting pressure on them. Long story short,
they finally relented. They invited me to the White House.
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I show up, and I realized it's actually an ambush
because it's not just me and the president, it's also
Kamala Harris, Chuck Schumer, Hakeim, you know, the whole day,
CIA director, everybody. And then so I walked in the
Oval and h how.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Much you know? That may not be important to you,
but that's important to me. You you're the You're you're
second in line to the presidency. It is routine, regardless
of party, for presidents and speakers to meet. Ronald Reagan
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famously met with Tippleneil all the time, lunched together because
cutting deals, trying to resolve differences and forging a relationship.
So if in time of some sort of national catastrophe,
they had a pre existing you know, pre sergecy, pre
existing condition, maybe that's true, a pre existing relationship ships.
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That's what Johnson's trying to accomplish. And he shows up
and who's there, Chuck Schumer, Hackeen, jeffries, what what the
hell's that about?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
For a second, you have said that he is the worst.
I actually want to quote this, make sure I go
I'm rightsident.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I screwed that up.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Security concerns and everything's going on, and I started to
requesting a meeting with the president, because you know, I'm
kind of old school, I'm a constitution law guy. Speaker
of the House should be able to talk to the president,
especially in times of great national interest and calamity, big
national concerns. At the time that I was losing sleepover. Finally,
I just went to the Hill Press corn and I said,
the president is not being allowed to meet with a speaker.
There's a problem. So they started putting pressure on him.
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Long story short, they finally relented. They invited me to
the White House. I show up and I realized it's
actually an ambush because it's not just me and the President,
it's also Kamala Harris, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem, you know, the whole,
the CIA director, everybody. And then so I walked in
the Oval and ah, I know what this is. This
is a they're going to hot box this on Ukraine funding.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
That's what it was.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
This is probably third week of January. We sit down,
we're in the midst of it, and the cool conversation,
and I'm going, we don't need to have this conversation.
The President reaches over just like this. We're sitting in
the right next to the fireplace in the Oval, and
he grabs my arm and he says, the speaker and
I just need a couple minutes together. Would y'all just
leave us alone? And I looked up on the faces
of some of the staff standing around the wall and
they're like, no, he did it. So he called it.
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He's the commander in chiefs. Everybody leaves. He and I
are standing awkwardly in the middle of the Oval office,
right over the rug by that coffee table, and I said,
miss President, thanks for the moments. You know, this is
very important. I got some big national security things I
need to talk to you about that I heard, and
I think you know and what do we do? But first,
real quickly, miss President, can I ask you a question
I cannot answer this from my constituents in Louisiana. Sir,
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why did you pause LNG exports to Europe? Like I
don't understand. You know, liquified natural gas is in great
demand by our allies. Why would you do that? Because
you understand we just talked about Ukraine. You understand your
fuel in Vladimir Putin's war machine because they got to
get their gas from him, you know. And he looks
at me, stunned with this, and he said, I didn't
I didn't do that. I said, Miss President, you, yes,
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you did. It was an executive order like you know,
three weeks ago, and he goes, no, I didn't do that.
He's arguing with me. I said, Miss President, respectfully, can
I could I go out here and ask your secretary
to print it out. We'll read it together. You definitely
did that, and he goes, oh, you talk about natural gas? Yes, sir?
He said no, No, did you misunderstand? He said? What
I did is I signed this thing to We're we're
going to conduct a study on the effects of energy.
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I said, no, you're not, sir, you paused it. I
know I have the terminal, the export terminals in my state.
I talked to those people this morning. This is doing
massive damage to our economy, national security. It occurred to
me very he was not lying to me. He genuinely
did not know what he had signed. And I walked
out of that meeting with fear and loathing because I thought,
we're in serious trouble. Who is running the country like
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I don't know who put the paper in front of him,
But he didn't know.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
He didn't know, he did not know. That's unbelievable, and
that's what I want to live long enough to find
out who was running things. Now, fast forward yesterday. Well
before we fast forward, let's go back. So in twenty seventeen,
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we've got riots, we've got all these protests, we have
everything else, and then you go to yesterday and it's
barely a peep. Of course, Panama held a little protest
somewhere because Trump says he wants to Panama Canal back.
And of course the Brits had a protest because they're
all pissed off about NATO and they're pissed off about
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any number of things, but that almost virtually no protests
is completely disproportional to the rhetoric that was leveled against Trump,
not just over the past four years, but over the
past eight years. They continued to protest Trump even after
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he left the White House four years ago, and then
when he's coming back into the White House, it's just like, Okay,
he's coming back. The closest thing I saw yesterday to
Hitler was Elon Musk with his aspergers, covers his heart
and then throws his hand into the air, his right
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hand into the air, and oh, my gosh. MSNBC exploded
with look, there it is. There's the Nazi salute. And
then they all jump in. And then even this morning,
poor little KDVR says, oh and yes, and many are
all so you know, even like I'm talking about it,
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KDVR even talks about it and says, yes, they're already
talking about how you know Elon Musk gave the Nazi salute.
And of course you can go you can go an
X and you can find any number of Democrats, you know,
throwing their hands into the air. And somehow if you
throw your hand in it, if you go to a
basketball game, if you go watch the Nuggets, you can't
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watch the Broncos apparently. And you watch any other game
and you throw your hand in the air because somebody
does something great or stupid and you throw your hand
in the air, you just might be a Nazi. The
biggest protest that I saw was Van Jones over on
CNN that he says he felt miserable and that he's
mad at everybody. That's pretty strong words, right. Van Jones said,
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Trump's going to unleash this blitzkrieg of attacks on everything
we care about, immigrants, clean energy. But he didn't shout
it like I just did. He just said, yes, He's
going to unleash miscreet and then Trump went off and
started signing the executive orders, and that was fascinating. Now,
some of the executive orders are normally signed immediately after
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the president's sworn in, just like you saw yesterday in
the US Capitol, because he has to immediately get control of,
you know, naming the people he wants to be acting
for the departments and agencies where those secretaries have not
yet been confirmed, and to you know, pretty much take
control of the executive branch. That's usually done because everything's
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being shown outside. That was done inside, and we got
sea it this time. But then he went to the
rally over at Capitol One Arena and in front of
what was it, twenty some thousand, you know, screaming fans,
sits down and signs executive orders and then goes to
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the Oval Office before he heads to the bulls, and
with reporters in the Oval Office, starts to sign more
executive orders. And just while he's signing, you know that
poor staffers trying to explain to the president what this
one is, what this one does, and let me make
something clear about that. The President already knows the terms
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of them. He just needs to know which one he's
signing so he can make a communy to be oh,
this is a really big one, or yeah, there a
lot of people aren't going to like this, but here
we go. He knew exactly what he was signing because
those had been prepared weeks in events with his approval.
But while he's signing them, he's taking questions for an hour, unscripted, unrehearsed,
(28:35):
just letting just letting the reporters stand there in the
Oval Office. I'm sure they were all having an orgasm.
Oh my god, we're sending here next to the president
while he signs these executive voters and he's letting us
ask questions. Trump was signing executive orders that we're going
to it. That did, and and I would say, effectively
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end much of the Democrats agenda over the past four years.
I mean, just simple things like requiring that the US
government only recognize male and female. Is when you stop,
when you step back and think about it, that's really serious,
(29:18):
but it's also freaking hilarious. He stopped all the offshore
wind development. He withdrew us from the Paris Climate Accords.
He put an end to government censorship. So where are
the protests? Where? Where? Where's where are all the climate activists?
I mean, I would I would have thought that the
Church of the climate activists would have been holding some
(29:40):
sort of prayer vigil somewhere and then and then telling
us how you know, I mean, do you know that
they have blizzard warnings in Houston? Yeah, blizzard warnings and
dragon I right now are freezing our asses off. And
you know what it was like over the weekend. So
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what's different from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty four. I
think part of it is the Democrats and those who
support the Democrats most importantly, the rank and file, just
the average Democrat out there and all their little special
interest groups are as fed up with the performance the
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poor performance of Harris and Biden as we are with
the substance of their poor performance. And I think they're
pissed off about the margin of defeat. And I think
there's a lack of enthusiasm about about what well, not
even a lack of but that's not even the right
way to put it. I think it's their questioning what
(30:44):
is origenda Michael now, was Elon Musk trolling? Not his
finest I might agree, except if you watch the entire clip,
comes bouncing out onto the stage, and he is he
(31:05):
has ass Burgers, and he is one of these brilliant intellects.
And one of those things that you see with a
person who has asked Burgers is exaggeration, exaggerated emotions, and
physical accompaniment to those emotions. And so I don't think
(31:28):
it was trolling at all. I think it was just
his wildly out of control physicality. But anyway, so let's
go back to what's going off Democrats right now. I
think they're truly discombobulated. Polls show that either a majority
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of Democrats or at least a significant percentage of them,
agree with Trump on things like energy, immigration, transgender issues.
And as such, the reason the Democrat and just the
kind of the old stereo type liberal Democrat, why they're
so quiet is because they have been defeated morally and
(32:09):
not just politically. Not all of them, but I think
enough of them know that Trump is right and their
own party interest groups are wrong on border, energy and transgenderism.
Now let me make clear before you jumped in and
you know, start screaming at me. The hard left activists,
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the Marxist wing of the Democrat Party have had so
much influence because they had that bumbling old fool that
didn't know what executive orders he was signing. So if
the Marxists who believe in the in the church of
the climate activists, in the invasion of the southern border,
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they believe in transgenderism, they know they don't have the
support of even the majority of their own party, much
less a majority of Americans, So they don't have the
incentive to go into the streets to demand you know,
more expensive energy, more more invasion, or actually just the
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concept of men using women's restrooms. No, they just they
just know that they know it's wrong. But the progressive
Marxist Democrats remain really strong in most of the Blue states.
Look at Colorado for example. Colorado is as I tweeted
out yesterday, imagine Colorado with everything that happened yesterday. Imagine
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a Trump like governor. And while I would love to
have a conservative majority in both the House and the
Senate in Colorado, I'd be happy to have a conservative
majority in one or the other, because that way between
a concern a true electable you know Kara's leader that's
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a conservative Republican as governor in Colorado, this state could
turn around. And I know we've got the problem with
the Front Range and the majority of the crazies on
the Front Range, but I think with the right leadership,
I think that all of those people that live outside
the Front Range and those who live inside the Front
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Range but yet are kind of out shouted shouted down
by the Marxist wing, would get their voices back and
we could see the same change at the state level.
But Democrats remain strong in blue states, and I think
that they're shocked, and they are powerless right now except
(34:50):
hang on
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