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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Only eleven days until the election. Here's a story for you.
Out of Mesa County, Colorado, twelve people had their ballots intercepted,
which were sent out last week in the mail and
casts unknown to them. Three of those twelve passed the
signature verification. Yet Jenna Griswold tells us Colorado has the
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gold standard take your ballot to the ballot box.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Here's my minute for freedom that we recorded about fifteen
minutes ago. In breaking news yesterday, the Democrat Colorado Secretary
of State Jenna Griswold announced that a fraudulent ballot scheme
had been taught in, of all places, Masa County. That's
the same county that Tina Peters was recently found guilty.
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Interesting that Masa County has the first of the season
ballot fraud problem, and Jenna Griswold was quick to hold
the press conference about it, even though there's an ongoing
criminal investigation. Now, normally when you have an ongoing criminal investigation,
you really don't say much about it, but she went
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on to say that, well, no she didn't. So I
found this story yesterday whenever it broke. I forget what time,
and I quote nine News that tweeted the following. This
was as of yesterday. Quote. Secretary of State announces twelve
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people in Mason County, Colorado had their ballots intercepted through
the mail and cast without them knowing. Three ballots made
it through the signature verification process and the votes were counted.
A criminal investigation is ongoing. Now three of nine, that's
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one third. Let's see it. You take three divided by nine,
that gets you a point three to three, So thirty
three a third a third. So when I got in
this morning and after I recorded that, I knew I
wanted to talk about it. So I went to a
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couple of sources. I thought, you know, let's go back
to nine News and let's see what nine News has
to say about it.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Colorado and elsewhere have stoked claims about mass voter fraud
without evidence.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
There are actually very few confirmed instances.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Nine News report of Rachel Krause looked at task cases
in Colorado to understand what's happening now.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
The Well County Clerk says, Well, cases of voter fraud
do happen, They're rare and usually easily spotted.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
In Colorado.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Historically, we have not seen a whole lot of voter fraud.
We've always had attempts, but there's never been to a
huge extend of the amount that will qualify for anything
to disrupt an election or the outcome.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Republican Carly Compass is the Well County Clerk and recorder.
She says, that's what makes the situation in Mesa so strange.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
It definitely is something that is unusual. This is my
twentieth year in elections, and we've never seen anything like
that happen in Colorado before.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
A number of those ballots were caught during the signature process.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
It is pretty easy for our trained election judges to
be able to identify and say, hey, wait a second,
these are not matching. It's very hard for somebody to
mimic your signature.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Data from the Conservative Heritage Foundation shows in the past
ten years, fourteen people in Colorado have been convicted of
voter fraud. Barry Morphew was convicted after using his dead
wife's ballot to vote for Donald Trump in twenty twenty,
and former GOP chair Steve Curtis was convicted of voter
fraud in Weld County in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
We had got all the evidence that we needed and
our DA's office at a fantastic job of representing that
in court.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
While some voter fraud cases are unintentional, like a spouse
accidentally signing both ballots, Kappa says, others are trying to
fill the system, but it's not happening often. On average,
she says, they investigate about two to three hundred people
out I read a four million voters.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
So the percentage is really really small.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Compas says, a few questions or concerns about election security.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
And safety, contact your county clerk. Are happy to answer
any questions so you feel comfortable casting your ballot in
Wild County. Rachel crowns nine News that was it.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I mean that that was it. Let me read you
the story. A criminal investigation. This isn't again. Nine News.
Let's see. Published nine fifty nine pm yesterday, Updated five
twenty six am today. A criminal investigation is underway after
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a dozen ballots were intercepted in Mason County and cast
without voter's knowledge. Democratic Colorado Secretary of State Jenna Griswold
said Wednesday, Wait a minute, she said that today's Friday.
Yesterday was Thursday, and she said this on Wednesday, but
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I didn't read a think about it until Thursday. Anyway,
Democratic Colorado Secretary of State Jenna Griswold said Wednesday, the
ballots were never made. The ballots never made it to
the voters' homes before they were filled out, sealed in
the ballot envelopes, signed, and returned through a postal box,
not a ballot box of postal box. Then there's this
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which no one seems to mention, but they have it
in the story. But if you're just listening to the news,
you wouldn't know this. Three made it all the way
through the counting process. Those votes cannot be reversed. Let
me repeat that, three made it all the way through
the counting process. Those votes cannot be reversed. One ballot
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made it through the signature verification process but was caught
before it was counted. The issue was discovered during the
signature of verification process. While you may hear about claims
of voter fraud, nine News says out of millions of
ballots as it's unusual Republican. Then that goes on to
talk about the well County. It just basically says, what
you just heard from welld County. Now what I find
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fascinating about this that the Well County Clerk and Recorder,
Carly Cops, a Republican by the way, said that out
of millions of ballots cast cases of voter fraud here
are rare. I'm kind of curious. Now, how do you know?
How do you know if it's rare? And isn't it interesting?
Now you can draw whatever conclusion you want to about
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the fact that this occurred in Mason County? But your
tenfoil hat on is this the setup? Was it done deliberate?
Was it done by oh, I don't know, supporters of
TENA Peters trying to get you to see that there's
voter fraud going on. But regardless or my least favorite word, irregardless,
regardless of whatever tenfoil hat conspiracy theory you might have,
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nonetheless you have this. You have one third of those
that were caught made it through the process. And now
nine News will tell you in the written part of
the story but not in the newscast, that those ballots
cannot be reversed. M how do you know, I mean,
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how would you know that? First of all, that means
that if if you want to make certain that your
ballot was like like you know, I got an email
that said my ballot was counted. Now, I know because
I put my email address in and my email address
has been available to the Douglas County Clerk for a
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decade or longer, and before that the Boulder County clerk,
so they I you know, I get an email that
says my ballot's been mailed. I get a ballot, a
notification email notification that my ballot was received, and then
I get one that my ballot was counted. How many
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people do that? Out of the millions of people that
cast ballots in Colorado, how many get notifications, how many care?
How many know? Or how many have you ever thought
about this? Let's go back to the story that I
keep repeating every single election, all of the ballots that
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don't get purged, and I've got I would guess, not exaggerating,
I would guess I've got at least now. Over the
past three or four days, as we've talked about the election,
I've gotten maybe a dozen text messages of people talking about,
you know, we continue to get ballots for our son
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who has not lived here for five years, who is
actually registered to vote in Connecticut or someplace or that
you know, yes, your story about ballots collecting at mailboxes,
at communal mailboxes in apartment complexes that continue to exist. Now,
let's think about those ballots for a moment. Those ballots
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that are for people who are no longer residents, are
no longer qualified to vote for whatever reason, they get cast. Now,
if the ratio stays the same and we we catch
two thirds of them, that means one third of those ballots,
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if you, if you can extrapolate, because in Mason County
there were one third of them. Three of the nine
ballots were caught. Hmm, a third, one third made it
all the way through. Now, I don't know how many
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of those ballots are not those ballots, but I don't
know how many ballots written large are piling up an
apartment complexes or are being being delivered to people that
no longer are qualified for whatever reason to vote. But
if the racial remains the same, then there's a bigger
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problem that anybody wants to admit. And I love how
the clerk can recorder in Well County or whoever it
was said that, you know, if you if you got
any questions, well, you know, be sure and call your
county clerk well, how many people are going to do that?
What questions are you going to ask? We we don't know.
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We just don't know how many ballots actually make it
through that should not. We now have one example out
of Macon County, and again I find it kind of
ironic that it is Mason County because you know, is
this a is this a red flag operation? I'm just
thinking out loud, did somebody purposely do this in Mason
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County of all places? Trying to prove a Tina Peters point?
Or is this something that occurs statewide? And everybody just
seems to know this no big deal. It's just no
big deal. Cop stress. This is the Will County clerk.
On average they investigate, which I assume she means the
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entire state. On average, they investigated about two to three
hundred people out of three to four million voters. Well,
those are the ones you know about. What about the
ones you don't know about? We've kind of reached the
point where, much much like almost everything else in this country,
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there is are there are lots of questions about do
we have any integrity in our election process? Now? I
don't know whether you consider I mean, I guess it's
how much how much fraud you are are you willing
to tolerate now in an election? I suppose you could
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say that the standard ought to be any fraud that
changes the outcome of an election from those who validly
cast ballots, then that's too much fraud. I do think
that regardless of what kind of system you have, there
will be some voter fraud. You just simply cannot avoid that.
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There's fraud in everything. But as this election gets closer,
I want you to think about this. Gallop's done some polling,
and Gallop the poll conducted by Gallop indicates really strong
support among American adults for requiring voters to prove their
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citizenship and show voter identification eighty four percent. Now, anytime
you conduct a pole an eighty four percent of somebody,
of some group of people, some sample that you have.
When eighty four percent wants something, maybe you'll to stand
up and pay attention. They want to require voters to
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show photo ID to cast their ballots, and eighty three
percent support proof of citizenship as a requirement for first
time voter registration. I go back to I think I
should be required to show a photo ID. If I
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have to show a photo ID to buy a bottle
of tequila, particularly at my ripe old age. Then I
ought to be able to show and be willing to
show a photo ID to cast a ballot, and to
get up off my ass and go do it. I'm
you know, and I know that I'm climbing uphill here.
I know I'm swimming upstream. I absolutely know it. But
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when eighty four percent of people, at least according to
Gallop or with me, maybe I'm not swimming upstream. Maybe
those of you who are quite happy with the current
system just all male in ballots, you know, show your ID,
you know, twenty years ago? Well, actually from me, what
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would be probably showed an ID first moving to Colorado,
so some thirty five, almost forty years ago, okay, showing
a valid ID then and and then I keel over today,
well not today, is already cast my ballot, But I
keel overs, you know sometime after the election. What's to
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keep Tamra from casting my ballot?
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Well, Barry Morphew did that with his dad wife and
he got caught. When why Barry Morphew got caught somebody
whatever county that was in I forget. Oh, look there's
a morephew ballot. Hm, that's funny. That's that's that's the
woman that we've all heard about got killed by so
allegedly but not proven by her husband. Oh well, maybe
we have a look at that one. But how many
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others have no extenuating circumstances? Now? The poll conducted by
Palette by Gallop also reveals really significant partisan differences and
attitudes toward election integrity. Democrats are inclined to support measures
that make voting easier and of course obviously more open
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to fraud, such as early voting, automatic registration. Republicans, however,
overwhelmingly support requirements of ID and proof of citizenship more
strongly in their support for early voting has fallen noticeably.
Since twenty sixteen, forty seven states plus the District of
Columbia offer early voting. Thirty six states requires some form
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of some form of voter ID. But let me emphasize again,
that's at one time. So a college student moves in
to see you, and he goes to register in Boulder
Care County has to show an ID, and then he graduates,
moves on back to Connecticut or wherever, continues to get
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a ballot at that address in Boulder County. So we
know now at least based on one sample out of
Mason County, that his ballot, illegally cast by some frapp brother,
has a one third chance of getting counted, and then
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that one third cannot be reversed. A little kind of
nugget kind of just kind of slipped into the nine
News story but nowhere in the tweet, nowhere in the
in the actual broadcast news, but in the written report.
Oh yeah, and by the way, we can't reverse those
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one third votes. Now. The Republicans in Congress recently has
the bill requiring citizenship proof voter registration, but the Democrat
controlled Senate they're refusing to hold a vote on the bill,
and of course the Biden Here's White House has vowed
to block it if it does pass. And Democrats, meanwhile,
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just totally dismissed all conservative concerns around election fraud and
in particular non citizen voting by claiming, well, it's against
the law. Well, murders against the law too, and we
still have murders. Drunk driving still against the law, and
we still have drunk driving. Man oh man, All I
just want is some confidence. Do you trust Jennen Griswold.
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Seriously that little ditz, Good.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
Morning, Dragon and Michael. The whole vote thing not a surprise.
Colorado may have the gold standard, but it's a horrible
standard regardless of where it is. I'm wondering about the
other nine ballots. It doesn't say that failed signature verification
and were caught. It just says only three had passed
the signature of verification. What happened with the other nine?
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Did they actually get rejected anyway? Have a good weekend, guess? Yeah,
So let me clarify something. For some reason, my minute
I had it was three of nine. It's actually it's three.
I went back and found the tweet that it is
three of twelve that made it through the process. So
that's twenty five percent as opposed to thirty three percent. Nonetheless,
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it's that's a quarter a quarter of the ballots. A
quarter of those ballots made it through and were counted.
And what and the thing that bugs me that was
not in the tweet from last night. Here's a tweet
from last night New When did they post this? This
was at one fifty four yesterday afternoon, New Colorado Secretary
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of State announced twelve people in Mason County, Colorado, had
their ballots inner accepted through the mail and cast without
them knowing. Three ballots made it through the signature of
verification process and those votes and the votes were counted.
A criminal investigation is ongoing.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Now. What's not said in that tweet is that the
votes were counted, but in the story on nine News
today it says and those votes cannot be undone. Of course,
if you read through the comments from the tweet from
nine News yesterday, they're like six hundred and forty five
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comments as of this morning. And of course people are
all over the map. Oh they were all for Harris,
or they were all for Trump, or this is part
of Tina Peter's new red flag operation, you know, and
she's she's trying to stir stuff or her people are
trying to stir stuff up. I guess she can't say
she's actually in jail. But then there's some rational people
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that are like, well, wait a minute, but if Colorado
is the gold standard, no way this could be true.
So try again, which I think is a brilliant comment.
My point about all of this is, just like everything
in the country, we're beginning to lose our trust our legitimacy,
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our belief that we really do things the right way,
and then they try to minimize it by saying, well,
it was only three Well actually no, actually it was
only twelve twelve. But you caught some of them, but
you didn't catch others. And that's the gold standard. You
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know what the gold standard is. And I know many
of you don't like this. I just don't care that
you don't like it. It's what I like. If if
I just let's stop and think about this for a moment,
I want a bottle of tequila. Now I can actually
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today have that bottle of tequila delivered to me. But
when I get it delivered to me, I have to
show an ID. In other words, I can't have my
grandson accept the delivery like he happens to be at
the house. I can't have him accept the tequila. He's underage,
so they're not going to just hand a bottle of
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tequila over to him. But if I really want a
particular tequila, I may have to go to Davidson's Liquor
and pick it up. And when I do, I've got
to show an ID. If if I want to get
a bank loan, even if I do it online, I
still have to show an ID. I have to prove
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that I am who I am. But if I want
to vote, I just lay on my ass and they'll just,
you know, in fact, I'll just come into the country
illegally and they'll automatically register me. Never show an ID.
All I've got is an arrest warrant out of Venezuela,
and and and that's good enough to that's good enough
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to register to vote in this country. I don't know.
I don't know how much stupid or we can get
in this country. And then I really have a bugaboo
about nine News. Now. I know that not everybody's on X,
but X has become the new kind of UH. Has
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become the new newswire. It's it's become the new associated press,
it's become the new UPI. It's become the new way
that that most news organizations disseminate their news. I don't
watch nine News. Why Why did I waste my time
doing that? But I do have them on my news
list so that when I'm doing show prep or I'm
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curious about what's going on, I don't have to sit
there and watch Kyle Clark. I can go through and
I can just look and see what's on nine News'
Twitter feed, their x feed, and that's where I found
the story. And so if all I do is rely
on that, or if all I do is rely on
the broadcast, I would never have known that those three
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ballots that made it through can't be reversed, because in
that clip that I played from the nine News broadcast,
they conveniently don't mention that, oh, by the way, we
can't reverse those ballots. It's only if you read through
the story. Now, how many people are going to do that?
How many people are going I wonder how many people?
Speaker 8 (23:49):
Actually that's why I play the role of the headline guy.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
That's right. And how many people students or transience or
illegal aliens or whomever come in here, they get registered.
They never give an email address, They just get registered
and they register as Democrat because they got they got
registered through some non through some NGO that processed them
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through as they came into this country, and they got
them registered as Democrats. And now those ballots show up,
you know, some homeless shelter somewhere or some hotel in Colfax,
and they just you know, somebody fills them out and
mails them back in. Well, don't worry about it, Michael,
It's okay. Only twenty five percent of those will actually,
you know, not get caught. We'll catch the other seventy
five percent. Wow, So you're willing to accept that when
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it comes to electing your political leadership to represent you.
You know what we're doing. Instead of giving up freedom
for a little bit of security, we're demanding convenience and
giving up security. That's what we're doing now. I actually
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think voting ought to be somewhat difficult. I want people
who are actively engaged in their citizenship of this nation
to be the ones that vote. If you're so lazy
you can't get off your fat ass and go get
your ballot at your precinct or at your polling place
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and show an ID and be handed that ballot, Go
pull the little curtain behind you, cast the ballot, turn
it back into the election official, and walk out, knowing
that you are the one that casts that ballot and
that ballot will be counted. Then I don't think you
ought to be voting. You're more than willing to drive
all the way to the grocery store, or drive all
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the way to the liquor store, or to show your
ID to buy a pack of cigarettes, but oh no,
to vote, one of the most important things will determine
your economic future, your security future, your liberty future. And
you're just willing to just oh oh, they'll just mail
it to me. No big deal. And we got the
gold stand in Colorado. So here's the gold standard. Now,
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twenty five percent. Yeah, they get counted and we can't
do anything about it. That could be a difference in
a close election. Twenty five percent. When you think about
twenty five percent, that's a humongous number. But yeah, let's
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see some of the other comments. Oh uh, this is
showing how well the process works. Nice job Colorado. Now,
I don't know whether that particular commentator is being sarcastic,
you know, kind of like I usually am, or whether
they're actually serious, like this does show well the process works.
So how well the process works means that twenty five
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percent still made it through. Nice job Colorado. Uh oh,
I love this. It's started in Colorado. Republicans working overtime
to cast out on the upcoming election. I'm not trying
to cast out on the election at all. I'm casting
down on our voting system. Uh, I love this Soros
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Griswold is a con artist. Uh, safe and secure. Let's
see for what it's worth. My ballot came partially torn
open in Denver. I've heard. I've heard other people in
Denver have found theirs on the sidewalk in front of
their house. Dragon, you got do you want to share
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your story?
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
We in our community, we have three public mailboxes, three
community mailboxes, and one of whom was tore open.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
About a week or two ago.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
And uh, weirdly enough, my son, my youngest son, who
has not lived with us for about five five years.
He's old enough to be out on his own, married
and as a kid of his own. Uh, his ballot
came to us. He hasn't lived with us for nearly
five years now.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
That could be his fault, because he failed to change
the registration.
Speaker 8 (28:16):
True, but yeah, nothing else comes in the mail for him,
absolutely nothing else, no car registration, know nothing.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Oh that's interesting. Yeah, So so he put in a
change of address. Yes, so everything else goes to his
current address, but the ballot just still had them to
your address.
Speaker 8 (28:34):
We're trustworthy people, so we physically handed it to him.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
The next time we saw him after you'd already filled
it out and signed it. Of course. Yeah, okay, nothing
to see here, just move along.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
And Michael, I believe you're correct. Making voting easier means
it's more fraud potential for fraud, and making it harder
shows that if you're going through the process to vote,
that you are serious. Making it easier is part of
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the problem.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yes, I agree. I don't think voting ought to be easy.
Voting is is a very serious act of civic engagement.
And well, I while part of me wishes more people
were civic, more civic engaged in our politics and in
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our society, if you choose not to be, then I
don't really want your voting, and I don't want to
make it easy for those who are just you know,
they they don't understand federalism, They don't understand the Constitution.
They don't understand that freedom and liberty are kind of messy,
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and that you know sometimes or that free speech sometimes
can be Oh, I really wish you wouldn't say that,
but you know what, you can say that. Oh, I'd
rather you just not say that. In fact, i'd rather,
you know, hate speech. Oh, there's just too much hate
in the world. There's always been hate in the world.
The great thing about this country is I can counter
that hate with speech denouncing that hate, as opposed to
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having some dictator, having some you know, authoritarian system. Tell
me what I can think or not think. I mean,
Hell's bells or well is right. I don't want that.
So if you're too damn lazy to be engaged in
in your country, if you're too damn lazy to get
off your fat ass and actually make a trip to
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a polling place to go vote, then I don't think
you know, I don't want to make it easy for you. No,
I don't want to make it hard. But how is
it that I've gone through my entire life from the
very first time I was eligible to vote that I
actually got in the car, drove to a polling place
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and showed an ID. They checked the roll, Oh yeah,
there's your name. Boom. They checked it off, manually checked
it off, handed me a ballot. I walked over and
sometimes I had to fill it out, you know, with
a little pen like you do your mail in ballot
or I put it into a machine and pushed a
lever and you know, mark the ballot took it out folded,
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did whatever I was supposed to do with it, handed
it back to a poll worker and they put it
in a bin to be counted, or it had been
automatically counted in them by the machine. I mean, what's
wrong with that? And then I got in the car
and left went home. And if and if I was
incapable or I was indisposed, I could have requested and
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gotten an absentee ballot, or tamer could have done that
on my behalf. I just I don't get this idea
that we need to make voting easier. No, we all
have to make voting where you actually have to do
something if you're willing, if you're willing to get off
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your fat ass to go. You know, I'm trying to
think how many you know? Not always, but there are
times when I'll order something. Let's let's say I've ordered
a you know, because I happen to break an old iPad.
Let's just say I have to break an old iPad.
Speaker 8 (32:33):
A new one.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I happen to break a new old iPad or an
old new iPad, or I just happened to break an iPad,
and so I order a new one from Apple, and
I order it and have it delivered. Break that one.
Do you know what? When I think about it, Even
if I've ordered something not really expensive from Apple and
I've had it delivered, even though I might tell YOUPS
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that I waive the signature, they still won't do that.
They still want to hand that item to me, and
they want an ID and they want me to sign
a receipt for it because UPS doesn't want to be
responsible for somebody stealing a pair of headphones. So I
can get off my butt and I either have it
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delivered to a UPS delivery point or I make sure
that I'm at the house so I can sign for
it and show my ID that I'm the one that
got it for a pair of headphones. But oh, you
want to vote, Yeah, just throw them out in the mail.
Just throw them. Anybody can cast a ballot.
Only eleven days until the election. Here's a story for you.
Out of Mesa County, Colorado, twelve people had their ballots intercepted,
which were sent out last week in the mail and
casts unknown to them. Three of those twelve passed the
signature verification. Yet Jenna Griswold tells us Colorado has the
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gold standard take your ballot to the ballot box.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Here's my minute for freedom that we recorded about fifteen
minutes ago. In breaking news yesterday, the Democrat Colorado Secretary
of State Jenna Griswold announced that a fraudulent ballot scheme
had been taught in, of all places, Masa County. That's
the same county that Tina Peters was recently found guilty.
(00:52):
Interesting that Masa County has the first of the season
ballot fraud problem, and Jenna Griswold was quick to hold
the press conference about it, even though there's an ongoing
criminal investigation. Now, normally when you have an ongoing criminal investigation,
you really don't say much about it, but she went
(01:13):
on to say that, well, no she didn't. So I
found this story yesterday whenever it broke. I forget what time,
and I quote nine News that tweeted the following. This
was as of yesterday. Quote. Secretary of State announces twelve
(01:34):
people in Mason County, Colorado had their ballots intercepted through
the mail and cast without them knowing. Three ballots made
it through the signature verification process and the votes were counted.
A criminal investigation is ongoing. Now three of nine, that's
(01:55):
one third. Let's see it. You take three divided by nine,
that gets you a point three to three, So thirty
three a third a third. So when I got in
this morning and after I recorded that, I knew I
wanted to talk about it. So I went to a
(02:15):
couple of sources. I thought, you know, let's go back
to nine News and let's see what nine News has
to say about it.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Colorado and elsewhere have stoked claims about mass voter fraud
without evidence.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
There are actually very few confirmed instances.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Nine News report of Rachel Krause looked at task cases
in Colorado to understand what's happening now.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
The Well County Clerk says, Well, cases of voter fraud
do happen, They're rare and usually easily spotted.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
In Colorado.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Historically, we have not seen a whole lot of voter fraud.
We've always had attempts, but there's never been to a
huge extend of the amount that will qualify for anything
to disrupt an election or the outcome.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Republican Carly Compass is the Well County Clerk and recorder.
She says, that's what makes the situation in Mesa so strange.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
It definitely is something that is unusual. This is my
twentieth year in elections, and we've never seen anything like
that happen in Colorado before.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
A number of those ballots were caught during the signature process.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
It is pretty easy for our trained election judges to
be able to identify and say, hey, wait a second,
these are not matching. It's very hard for somebody to
mimic your signature.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Data from the Conservative Heritage Foundation shows in the past
ten years, fourteen people in Colorado have been convicted of
voter fraud. Barry Morphew was convicted after using his dead
wife's ballot to vote for Donald Trump in twenty twenty,
and former GOP chair Steve Curtis was convicted of voter
fraud in Weld County in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
We had got all the evidence that we needed and
our DA's office at a fantastic job of representing that
in court.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
While some voter fraud cases are unintentional, like a spouse
accidentally signing both ballots, Kappa says, others are trying to
fill the system, but it's not happening often. On average,
she says, they investigate about two to three hundred people
out I read a four million voters.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
So the percentage is really really small.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Compas says, a few questions or concerns about election security.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
And safety, contact your county clerk. Are happy to answer
any questions so you feel comfortable casting your ballot in
Wild County. Rachel crowns nine News that was it.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I mean that that was it. Let me read you
the story. A criminal investigation. This isn't again. Nine News.
Let's see. Published nine fifty nine pm yesterday, Updated five
twenty six am today. A criminal investigation is underway after
(04:39):
a dozen ballots were intercepted in Mason County and cast
without voter's knowledge. Democratic Colorado Secretary of State Jenna Griswold
said Wednesday, Wait a minute, she said that today's Friday.
Yesterday was Thursday, and she said this on Wednesday, but
(05:00):
I didn't read a think about it until Thursday. Anyway,
Democratic Colorado Secretary of State Jenna Griswold said Wednesday, the
ballots were never made. The ballots never made it to
the voters' homes before they were filled out, sealed in
the ballot envelopes, signed, and returned through a postal box,
not a ballot box of postal box. Then there's this
(05:23):
which no one seems to mention, but they have it
in the story. But if you're just listening to the news,
you wouldn't know this. Three made it all the way
through the counting process. Those votes cannot be reversed. Let
me repeat that, three made it all the way through
the counting process. Those votes cannot be reversed. One ballot
(05:47):
made it through the signature verification process but was caught
before it was counted. The issue was discovered during the
signature of verification process. While you may hear about claims
of voter fraud, nine News says out of millions of
ballots as it's unusual Republican. Then that goes on to
talk about the well County. It just basically says, what
you just heard from welld County. Now what I find
(06:10):
fascinating about this that the Well County Clerk and Recorder,
Carly Cops, a Republican by the way, said that out
of millions of ballots cast cases of voter fraud here
are rare. I'm kind of curious. Now, how do you know?
How do you know if it's rare? And isn't it interesting?
Now you can draw whatever conclusion you want to about
(06:32):
the fact that this occurred in Mason County? But your
tenfoil hat on is this the setup? Was it done deliberate?
Was it done by oh, I don't know, supporters of
TENA Peters trying to get you to see that there's
voter fraud going on. But regardless or my least favorite word, irregardless,
regardless of whatever tenfoil hat conspiracy theory you might have,
(06:57):
nonetheless you have this. You have one third of those
that were caught made it through the process. And now
nine News will tell you in the written part of
the story but not in the newscast, that those ballots
cannot be reversed. M how do you know, I mean,
(07:19):
how would you know that? First of all, that means
that if if you want to make certain that your
ballot was like like you know, I got an email
that said my ballot was counted. Now, I know because
I put my email address in and my email address
has been available to the Douglas County Clerk for a
(07:41):
decade or longer, and before that the Boulder County clerk,
so they I you know, I get an email that
says my ballot's been mailed. I get a ballot, a
notification email notification that my ballot was received, and then
I get one that my ballot was counted. How many
(08:02):
people do that? Out of the millions of people that
cast ballots in Colorado, how many get notifications, how many care?
How many know? Or how many have you ever thought
about this? Let's go back to the story that I
keep repeating every single election, all of the ballots that
(08:23):
don't get purged, and I've got I would guess, not exaggerating,
I would guess I've got at least now. Over the
past three or four days, as we've talked about the election,
I've gotten maybe a dozen text messages of people talking about,
you know, we continue to get ballots for our son
(08:44):
who has not lived here for five years, who is
actually registered to vote in Connecticut or someplace or that
you know, yes, your story about ballots collecting at mailboxes,
at communal mailboxes in apartment complexes that continue to exist. Now,
let's think about those ballots for a moment. Those ballots
(09:07):
that are for people who are no longer residents, are
no longer qualified to vote for whatever reason, they get cast. Now,
if the ratio stays the same and we we catch
two thirds of them, that means one third of those ballots,
(09:27):
if you, if you can extrapolate, because in Mason County
there were one third of them. Three of the nine
ballots were caught. Hmm, a third, one third made it
all the way through. Now, I don't know how many
(09:51):
of those ballots are not those ballots, but I don't
know how many ballots written large are piling up an
apartment complexes or are being being delivered to people that
no longer are qualified for whatever reason to vote. But
if the racial remains the same, then there's a bigger
(10:12):
problem that anybody wants to admit. And I love how
the clerk can recorder in Well County or whoever it
was said that, you know, if you if you got
any questions, well, you know, be sure and call your
county clerk well, how many people are going to do that?
What questions are you going to ask? We we don't know.
(10:34):
We just don't know how many ballots actually make it
through that should not. We now have one example out
of Macon County, and again I find it kind of
ironic that it is Mason County because you know, is
this a is this a red flag operation? I'm just
thinking out loud, did somebody purposely do this in Mason
(10:57):
County of all places? Trying to prove a Tina Peters point?
Or is this something that occurs statewide? And everybody just
seems to know this no big deal. It's just no
big deal. Cop stress. This is the Will County clerk.
On average they investigate, which I assume she means the
(11:18):
entire state. On average, they investigated about two to three
hundred people out of three to four million voters. Well,
those are the ones you know about. What about the
ones you don't know about? We've kind of reached the
point where, much much like almost everything else in this country,
(11:39):
there is are there are lots of questions about do
we have any integrity in our election process? Now? I
don't know whether you consider I mean, I guess it's
how much how much fraud you are are you willing
to tolerate now in an election? I suppose you could
(12:02):
say that the standard ought to be any fraud that
changes the outcome of an election from those who validly
cast ballots, then that's too much fraud. I do think
that regardless of what kind of system you have, there
will be some voter fraud. You just simply cannot avoid that.
(12:26):
There's fraud in everything. But as this election gets closer,
I want you to think about this. Gallop's done some polling,
and Gallop the poll conducted by Gallop indicates really strong
support among American adults for requiring voters to prove their
(12:51):
citizenship and show voter identification eighty four percent. Now, anytime
you conduct a pole an eighty four percent of somebody,
of some group of people, some sample that you have.
When eighty four percent wants something, maybe you'll to stand
up and pay attention. They want to require voters to
(13:13):
show photo ID to cast their ballots, and eighty three
percent support proof of citizenship as a requirement for first
time voter registration. I go back to I think I
should be required to show a photo ID. If I
(13:33):
have to show a photo ID to buy a bottle
of tequila, particularly at my ripe old age. Then I
ought to be able to show and be willing to
show a photo ID to cast a ballot, and to
get up off my ass and go do it. I'm
you know, and I know that I'm climbing uphill here.
I know I'm swimming upstream. I absolutely know it. But
(13:58):
when eighty four percent of people, at least according to
Gallop or with me, maybe I'm not swimming upstream. Maybe
those of you who are quite happy with the current
system just all male in ballots, you know, show your ID,
you know, twenty years ago? Well, actually from me, what
(14:19):
would be probably showed an ID first moving to Colorado,
so some thirty five, almost forty years ago, okay, showing
a valid ID then and and then I keel over today,
well not today, is already cast my ballot, But I
keel overs, you know sometime after the election. What's to
(14:41):
keep Tamra from casting my ballot?
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Well, Barry Morphew did that with his dad wife and
he got caught. When why Barry Morphew got caught somebody
whatever county that was in I forget. Oh, look there's
a morephew ballot. Hm, that's funny. That's that's that's the
woman that we've all heard about got killed by so
allegedly but not proven by her husband. Oh well, maybe
we have a look at that one. But how many
(15:06):
others have no extenuating circumstances? Now? The poll conducted by
Palette by Gallop also reveals really significant partisan differences and
attitudes toward election integrity. Democrats are inclined to support measures
that make voting easier and of course obviously more open
(15:27):
to fraud, such as early voting, automatic registration. Republicans, however,
overwhelmingly support requirements of ID and proof of citizenship more
strongly in their support for early voting has fallen noticeably.
Since twenty sixteen, forty seven states plus the District of
Columbia offer early voting. Thirty six states requires some form
(15:49):
of some form of voter ID. But let me emphasize again,
that's at one time. So a college student moves in
to see you, and he goes to register in Boulder
Care County has to show an ID, and then he graduates,
moves on back to Connecticut or wherever, continues to get
(16:09):
a ballot at that address in Boulder County. So we
know now at least based on one sample out of
Mason County, that his ballot, illegally cast by some frapp brother,
has a one third chance of getting counted, and then
(16:31):
that one third cannot be reversed. A little kind of
nugget kind of just kind of slipped into the nine
News story but nowhere in the tweet, nowhere in the
in the actual broadcast news, but in the written report.
Oh yeah, and by the way, we can't reverse those
(16:51):
one third votes. Now. The Republicans in Congress recently has
the bill requiring citizenship proof voter registration, but the Democrat
controlled Senate they're refusing to hold a vote on the bill,
and of course the Biden Here's White House has vowed
to block it if it does pass. And Democrats, meanwhile,
(17:16):
just totally dismissed all conservative concerns around election fraud and
in particular non citizen voting by claiming, well, it's against
the law. Well, murders against the law too, and we
still have murders. Drunk driving still against the law, and
we still have drunk driving. Man oh man, All I
just want is some confidence. Do you trust Jennen Griswold.
(17:41):
Seriously that little ditz, Good.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
Morning, Dragon and Michael. The whole vote thing not a surprise.
Colorado may have the gold standard, but it's a horrible
standard regardless of where it is. I'm wondering about the
other nine ballots. It doesn't say that failed signature verification
and were caught. It just says only three had passed
the signature of verification. What happened with the other nine?
(18:09):
Did they actually get rejected anyway? Have a good weekend, guess? Yeah,
So let me clarify something. For some reason, my minute
I had it was three of nine. It's actually it's three.
I went back and found the tweet that it is
three of twelve that made it through the process. So
that's twenty five percent as opposed to thirty three percent. Nonetheless,
(18:32):
it's that's a quarter a quarter of the ballots. A
quarter of those ballots made it through and were counted.
And what and the thing that bugs me that was
not in the tweet from last night. Here's a tweet
from last night New When did they post this? This
was at one fifty four yesterday afternoon, New Colorado Secretary
(18:55):
of State announced twelve people in Mason County, Colorado, had
their ballots inner accepted through the mail and cast without
them knowing. Three ballots made it through the signature of
verification process and those votes and the votes were counted.
A criminal investigation is ongoing.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Now. What's not said in that tweet is that the
votes were counted, but in the story on nine News
today it says and those votes cannot be undone. Of course,
if you read through the comments from the tweet from
nine News yesterday, they're like six hundred and forty five
(19:37):
comments as of this morning. And of course people are
all over the map. Oh they were all for Harris,
or they were all for Trump, or this is part
of Tina Peter's new red flag operation, you know, and
she's she's trying to stir stuff or her people are
trying to stir stuff up. I guess she can't say
she's actually in jail. But then there's some rational people
(20:04):
that are like, well, wait a minute, but if Colorado
is the gold standard, no way this could be true.
So try again, which I think is a brilliant comment.
My point about all of this is, just like everything
in the country, we're beginning to lose our trust our legitimacy,
(20:29):
our belief that we really do things the right way,
and then they try to minimize it by saying, well,
it was only three Well actually no, actually it was
only twelve twelve. But you caught some of them, but
you didn't catch others. And that's the gold standard. You
(20:52):
know what the gold standard is. And I know many
of you don't like this. I just don't care that
you don't like it. It's what I like. If if
I just let's stop and think about this for a moment,
I want a bottle of tequila. Now I can actually
(21:13):
today have that bottle of tequila delivered to me. But
when I get it delivered to me, I have to
show an ID. In other words, I can't have my
grandson accept the delivery like he happens to be at
the house. I can't have him accept the tequila. He's underage,
so they're not going to just hand a bottle of
(21:34):
tequila over to him. But if I really want a
particular tequila, I may have to go to Davidson's Liquor
and pick it up. And when I do, I've got
to show an ID. If if I want to get
a bank loan, even if I do it online, I
still have to show an ID. I have to prove
(21:56):
that I am who I am. But if I want
to vote, I just lay on my ass and they'll just,
you know, in fact, I'll just come into the country
illegally and they'll automatically register me. Never show an ID.
All I've got is an arrest warrant out of Venezuela,
and and and that's good enough to that's good enough
(22:16):
to register to vote in this country. I don't know.
I don't know how much stupid or we can get
in this country. And then I really have a bugaboo
about nine News. Now. I know that not everybody's on X,
but X has become the new kind of UH. Has
(22:40):
become the new newswire. It's it's become the new associated press,
it's become the new UPI. It's become the new way
that that most news organizations disseminate their news. I don't
watch nine News. Why Why did I waste my time
doing that? But I do have them on my news
list so that when I'm doing show prep or I'm
(23:03):
curious about what's going on, I don't have to sit
there and watch Kyle Clark. I can go through and
I can just look and see what's on nine News'
Twitter feed, their x feed, and that's where I found
the story. And so if all I do is rely
on that, or if all I do is rely on
the broadcast, I would never have known that those three
(23:26):
ballots that made it through can't be reversed, because in
that clip that I played from the nine News broadcast,
they conveniently don't mention that, oh, by the way, we
can't reverse those ballots. It's only if you read through
the story. Now, how many people are going to do that?
How many people are going I wonder how many people?
Speaker 8 (23:49):
Actually that's why I play the role of the headline guy.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
That's right. And how many people students or transience or
illegal aliens or whomever come in here, they get registered.
They never give an email address, They just get registered
and they register as Democrat because they got they got
registered through some non through some NGO that processed them
(24:19):
through as they came into this country, and they got
them registered as Democrats. And now those ballots show up,
you know, some homeless shelter somewhere or some hotel in Colfax,
and they just you know, somebody fills them out and
mails them back in. Well, don't worry about it, Michael,
It's okay. Only twenty five percent of those will actually,
you know, not get caught. We'll catch the other seventy
five percent. Wow, So you're willing to accept that when
(24:42):
it comes to electing your political leadership to represent you.
You know what we're doing. Instead of giving up freedom
for a little bit of security, we're demanding convenience and
giving up security. That's what we're doing now. I actually
(25:04):
think voting ought to be somewhat difficult. I want people
who are actively engaged in their citizenship of this nation
to be the ones that vote. If you're so lazy
you can't get off your fat ass and go get
your ballot at your precinct or at your polling place
(25:28):
and show an ID and be handed that ballot, Go
pull the little curtain behind you, cast the ballot, turn
it back into the election official, and walk out, knowing
that you are the one that casts that ballot and
that ballot will be counted. Then I don't think you
ought to be voting. You're more than willing to drive
all the way to the grocery store, or drive all
(25:50):
the way to the liquor store, or to show your
ID to buy a pack of cigarettes, but oh no,
to vote, one of the most important things will determine
your economic future, your security future, your liberty future. And
you're just willing to just oh oh, they'll just mail
it to me. No big deal. And we got the
gold stand in Colorado. So here's the gold standard. Now,
(26:13):
twenty five percent. Yeah, they get counted and we can't
do anything about it. That could be a difference in
a close election. Twenty five percent. When you think about
twenty five percent, that's a humongous number. But yeah, let's
(26:34):
see some of the other comments. Oh uh, this is
showing how well the process works. Nice job Colorado. Now,
I don't know whether that particular commentator is being sarcastic,
you know, kind of like I usually am, or whether
they're actually serious, like this does show well the process works.
So how well the process works means that twenty five
(26:56):
percent still made it through. Nice job Colorado. Uh oh,
I love this. It's started in Colorado. Republicans working overtime
to cast out on the upcoming election. I'm not trying
to cast out on the election at all. I'm casting
down on our voting system. Uh, I love this Soros
(27:20):
Griswold is a con artist. Uh, safe and secure. Let's
see for what it's worth. My ballot came partially torn
open in Denver. I've heard. I've heard other people in
Denver have found theirs on the sidewalk in front of
their house. Dragon, you got do you want to share
(27:43):
your story?
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
We in our community, we have three public mailboxes, three
community mailboxes, and one of whom was tore open.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
About a week or two ago.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
And uh, weirdly enough, my son, my youngest son, who
has not lived with us for about five five years.
He's old enough to be out on his own, married
and as a kid of his own. Uh, his ballot
came to us. He hasn't lived with us for nearly
five years now.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
That could be his fault, because he failed to change
the registration.
Speaker 8 (28:16):
True, but yeah, nothing else comes in the mail for him,
absolutely nothing else, no car registration, know nothing.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Oh that's interesting. Yeah, So so he put in a
change of address. Yes, so everything else goes to his
current address, but the ballot just still had them to
your address.
Speaker 8 (28:34):
We're trustworthy people, so we physically handed it to him.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
The next time we saw him after you'd already filled
it out and signed it. Of course. Yeah, okay, nothing
to see here, just move along.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
And Michael, I believe you're correct. Making voting easier means
it's more fraud potential for fraud, and making it harder
shows that if you're going through the process to vote,
that you are serious. Making it easier is part of
(29:08):
the problem.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yes, I agree. I don't think voting ought to be easy.
Voting is is a very serious act of civic engagement.
And well, I while part of me wishes more people
were civic, more civic engaged in our politics and in
(29:38):
our society, if you choose not to be, then I
don't really want your voting, and I don't want to
make it easy for those who are just you know,
they they don't understand federalism, They don't understand the Constitution.
They don't understand that freedom and liberty are kind of messy,
(29:59):
and that you know sometimes or that free speech sometimes
can be Oh, I really wish you wouldn't say that,
but you know what, you can say that. Oh, I'd
rather you just not say that. In fact, i'd rather,
you know, hate speech. Oh, there's just too much hate
in the world. There's always been hate in the world.
The great thing about this country is I can counter
that hate with speech denouncing that hate, as opposed to
(30:22):
having some dictator, having some you know, authoritarian system. Tell
me what I can think or not think. I mean,
Hell's bells or well is right. I don't want that.
So if you're too damn lazy to be engaged in
in your country, if you're too damn lazy to get
off your fat ass and actually make a trip to
(30:45):
a polling place to go vote, then I don't think
you know, I don't want to make it easy for you. No,
I don't want to make it hard. But how is
it that I've gone through my entire life from the
very first time I was eligible to vote that I
actually got in the car, drove to a polling place
(31:08):
and showed an ID. They checked the roll, Oh yeah,
there's your name. Boom. They checked it off, manually checked
it off, handed me a ballot. I walked over and
sometimes I had to fill it out, you know, with
a little pen like you do your mail in ballot
or I put it into a machine and pushed a
lever and you know, mark the ballot took it out folded,
(31:30):
did whatever I was supposed to do with it, handed
it back to a poll worker and they put it
in a bin to be counted, or it had been
automatically counted in them by the machine. I mean, what's
wrong with that? And then I got in the car
and left went home. And if and if I was
incapable or I was indisposed, I could have requested and
(31:54):
gotten an absentee ballot, or tamer could have done that
on my behalf. I just I don't get this idea
that we need to make voting easier. No, we all
have to make voting where you actually have to do
something if you're willing, if you're willing to get off
(32:16):
your fat ass to go. You know, I'm trying to
think how many you know? Not always, but there are
times when I'll order something. Let's let's say I've ordered
a you know, because I happen to break an old iPad.
Let's just say I have to break an old iPad.
Speaker 8 (32:33):
A new one.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I happen to break a new old iPad or an
old new iPad, or I just happened to break an iPad,
and so I order a new one from Apple, and
I order it and have it delivered. Break that one.
Do you know what? When I think about it, Even
if I've ordered something not really expensive from Apple and
I've had it delivered, even though I might tell YOUPS
(32:58):
that I waive the signature, they still won't do that.
They still want to hand that item to me, and
they want an ID and they want me to sign
a receipt for it because UPS doesn't want to be
responsible for somebody stealing a pair of headphones. So I
can get off my butt and I either have it
(33:19):
delivered to a UPS delivery point or I make sure
that I'm at the house so I can sign for
it and show my ID that I'm the one that
got it for a pair of headphones. But oh, you
want to vote, Yeah, just throw them out in the mail.
Just throw them. Anybody can cast a ballot.
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