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to Minnesota. Minnesota, where we've had this wave of revelations
about all this massive fraud within the state's social services
and welfare programs that all erupted this past week, and
it exposed a system which I think we could probably
extrapolate out to lots of states other than just Minnesota.
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I don't care whether you're a red state or a
blue state. Fraud is inherent in government programs. But Minnesota,
to say, you really take the cake on this one,
because the fraud here is absolutely astonishing. The news reports
expose a system that is riddled with abuse, and there
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are astonishing I think almost truthfully, I believe criminal lapses
in oversight everything from housing assistance to nutritional Aid Aid,
just program after programs after program appears to have been exploited,
siphoning off millions, if not billions, of dollars from taxpayers.
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And if you think this is just about Minnesota, you're wrong.
And the reason I say that is because we forget
that a lot of these programs that are administered by
the state are actually funded by taxpayers across the country.
So in Colorado, for example, or Minnesota doesn't make Itever
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you pick your own state, you have a snap program,
you know, supplemental nutritional assistance program, the food stamp program,
or you have you know, Medicaid, whatever it is that
is funded. Yes, part of it, some of it may
be funded by some state dollars, but the majority of
the money comes from the federal government. And so you
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can ignore a state like Minnesota at your own peril. Instead,
you ought to pay attention to what goes on in
a state like Minnesota. And I really don't give a
rat to ask whether you're a red state or a
blue state. You ought to be asking questions of your
political leadership in your state. Hey, what's going on here?
What's happening here? What's most alarming about Minnesota is the
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growing evidence that this was not just a negligence, you know,
just people just not doing their jobs, but a breakdown
in accountability that was so bad that it was allowed
to flourish under the watch of the actual state leadership,
who including the government South Tim Walls, and I think
they actually knew what was going on. Can't prove that,
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but I think as we continue the investigation, we may
we should not be surprised to find out later that,
you know, they kind of knew about it. In fact,
I don't want to bury the lead too much here,
but we have whistleblowers in Minnesota who have been trying
to sound the alarm, saying that the governor knew about this,
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that the director of their social services system, their human
health and human services system, and that the bureaucrats that
administer the program they all knew about it. Wow. So
this scandal now sits I think at a broader national
debate that has questions that have to be answered, how
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did this happen, What does it mean for our immigration
policies as we move forward, and is it possible to
re establish a firm expectation from taxpayers for those coming
into the country that you need to be able to
take care of yourself. You need to be able to
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sustain your own life, and if you cannot do that,
then you can't come to the country. Oh Michael, you
can't do that. Wait a minute, what do you mean,
I can't do that. That's what the existing laws require.
So just like we just needed a new president in
order to shut the flow of illegal immigration coming into
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the country, we now need that same president to step
up and say, you know what, we're going to enforce this.
And I'll get to this later in the program, but
we're going to force and just stop this immigration. And
if you want to come here, then you need to
be able to speak English. You need to, you know,
show that you have you don't have any communical communicable diseases,
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and that you have the ability to sustain yourself. Either
you have someone you're going to live with it's going
to take care of you, or you have a job,
or you're enabled bobby bodied person that can find a job.
And these cases out of Minnesota have rightfully sparked outrage
and people are asking how could this abuse have gone
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on for so long? But I think there's another question,
not only you know, how can it have continued for
so long, but who's responsible for allowing it? And how
did we stop it from And I'll never say this
never happening again, because there will always be fraud. But
this is this is all this scale. If we're looking
at a scale of fraud of one to ten, this
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is a ten I'm willing to accept. I told her,
you know, I was tatisfying before Congress one time and
we were testifying about fraud in some of the programs
coming out of FEMA DHS, and I said, we do
everything we can to prevent fraud, but there will always
be frauds of the cost of doing business. We have
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to minimize it, we have to mitigate against it. We
have to work and investigate. That's what the Inspector General's for.
We try to do everything we can to put accountability
measures in place, but there are people who will always
try to cheat and find a way to get it,
you know, to do this. And so if I want
to go find fraud in a program, I can. I
hope it's only a thousand dollars, but if I find
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one thousand dollars in fraud, I'm not going to be surprised.
You would have thought I had committed some sort of
blasphemy by saying that there will always be fraud. Well,
I'm telling you in any you know, if you work
for any size organization, there's fraud in it. It may
be deminimous, but there is fraud. You know why, because
human beings are involved. Now, colding the White House, the
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scandal involving the fraudulent diversion of taxpayer funds cost the
taxpayers about a billion dollars. Now, that alone ought to
shake everybody's confidence in oversight, not only at the state level,
but at the federal level. There have been eighty six
individuals charged so far, seventy eight are of Somali ancestry,
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and that's prompted high level federal intervention. The US Immigrations
and Customs Enforcement ICE is reportedly planning what's being described
as a surge of enforcement in the Twin Cities Minneapolis,
Saint Paul. That's a crackdown that officials say is necessary
that I would agree is necessary too in light of
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the immigrant communities tied to the fraud investigation. If it
were any other organization, any other group of people, we'll
be screaming, yes, we want investigations, we want to find
out whether this is systemic to this particular community. Pick
an Indian tribe, if it's a particular Indian tribe, investigate them,
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by the way. That's not racist, that's just being good
fiduciaries of the money that you and I work hard
every single week that gets confiscated by the federal government,
that then gets wasted in fraudulent cases like this. But
how was this allowed to fester so long in the
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first place. I'll answer that next. I'll be right back. Hey,
So we begin with Michael Brown. Thanks for tuning in.
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the program. So thinking, you know, if you've got somebody
that I might you know, piss off, be sure and
tell them too. How did this fraud occur in the
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first place? Now, A lot of sources that I read
and study suggest that there's there's been a combination of
systemic negligence. There's obviously inadequate oversight, duh. But there's also
a political hesitancy that created this fertile ground for abuse.
One overriding fact, it's just a fact. You don't have
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to get emotional, you don't have to get all twisted
in a pretzel about it. It's just a fact. There
is a dominant Somali segment of the population where the
majority of this fraud is occurring. When you have seventy
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eight out of the eighty six individuals being Somali, by
my calculation, that's more than half. That's approaching seventy five percent.
I haven't done the math, but it's way over half.
That's just a fact. And you can draw whatever conclusions
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you want to from that. But maybe I'll help you
along a little bit. Now. There's a White House memorandum
ount that argues that state and Democrat officials were quote
reluctant tolerating, if not tacitly allowing the fraud because because
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your honor, the Minnesota political community was worried about the
quote political backlash among the Somali community. Hmm. And there
were consistent warnings from both whistleblowers and actual audits that
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were at least by my reckoning, were ignored by those
in charge, likely including Democrat Governor Tim Walls himself and
the Attorney General Keith Ellison. Keith Ellison, what have you
believe the Attorney General that well, no, and to you know,
and to suggest otherwise was just trying to play politics.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
And Attorney General, I want to get back to this
playbook that you outlined from the president of what he
does when he's backed into a corner and wants to
detract attention. He also, in the past has historically used
isolated instances to justify this language of bigotry and paint.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Wow, you talk about setting up a question such that
you you everybody rule abet never accept the premise of
a question. This reporter comes from a local station in Minnesota,
is actually setting him up with all of the premise
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he needs to claim that this is all nothing but
racist and political. Listen closely to how she sets the
question up.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Ell, I want to get back to this playbook that
you outlined from the president of what he does when
he's backed into a corner and wants to detract attention.
He also in the past has historically used isolated instances
to justify this language of bigotry and paint with extremely
broad brushstrokes and make these generalizations. He has owned in
on this investigation into feed feeding our Future, which your
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office actually prosecuted. I'm wondering if you can set the
record straight here and talk a little bit about this
investigation and what it entailed and how isolated it actually was.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Well, it was the US Attorney's Office that actually brought
the prosecutions.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Wow, oh, so go ahead and correct her. It wasn't
my office. It was actually the US Attorney's office. Yeah,
so what did you do, mister Attorney General? See, I
would interrupt you if I were the reporter, I'd interrupt
you at that point and say, oh, so the US
Attorney's office did this? How come you weren't involved because
there are obvious I mean, clearly there's federal charges because
federal taxpayer dollars are involved. But it's also being administered
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by the state. Mister Attorney General, don't you have any
concern or interest in the legal and the proper administration
of these dollars by state officials?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
To office contributed and gave evidence of information to advance
the prosecution.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
But I want to say thank you, and in other words,
we send them some memos.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
That's off at congratulations to our colleagues in the US
Attorney's Office for a job done. They prosecuted over seventy
eight of these people. But let me just say this,
we all want to protect the public dollar. We want
to prosecute people who engage in fraud. We are up
for that.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
But Wayment, he's right, seventy eighty been prosecuted, knows he
doesn't tell you what air quote here community was prosecuted.
We can't do it on a partisan basis. We got
to do it together.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
We can't use incidents like this to score a political point.
We got to come in as a state and say
you will not steal money intended for poor people and
prosecute them. That's what That's how we protect the resources
of the state of Minnesota. But I would say, you know,
the President just let this guy, mister Gentilly walk from
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a pardon, who I think stole about a billion dollars
from people. He did the crypto fraud served mister Jao,
he just got a pardon.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
We're watching all kinds. I mean, the President is so inconsistent.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
How can he say we're worried about fraud and then
turn around and say, oh, yeah, we're gonna let my
friend change in Azou walk after he's done all.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
These billions of dollars worth of fraud. It's like the
drug war issue.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
You're letting go people who move tons of cocaine into Minnesota,
and on the same time, you're killing people in the
name of drug fighting drugs.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
This one about is I'm on his part. This simply
does not work because every example that he gave was
of someone who had been charged, tried, and convicted. The
pardon is irrelevant to the initial investigation, the trial, and
the conviction. And then I wonder what Keith Ellison would
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have to say about trying to interdict the drug boats
out of Venezuela, because my guess is he's opposed to that.
Even though he claims, well, he's just letting drugs flow
into Minnesota, he is, how's that happening.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
It's completely inconsistent, and therefore we doubt the sincerity of
the plan.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
So we just doubt him. We just don't believe anything
the president has to say. That's pretty much what he
has to say that I'm telling you, you guys in Minnesota,
you got one hell of a political team there between
Tim Walls and Keith Allison. I'd put a hoodie on, Yeah,
I'd walk around with a hoodie on, just out of him,
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but don't let him see your face. Because the massive
level of neglect along with I haven't mentioned this, but
along with the expansion of the of those welfare programs,
particularly during the COVID era, seems to have enabled the
deception because the non government organizations and the nonprofits allegedly
build for services to non existent children, therapy for non
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existent autistic patients, and housing and food services to people
who never received those services. The fraud network is reportedly massy,
It spans multiple NGOs and in some cases allegedly channeling
money even out of state and abroad. I mean thinking
about going to you know, al Shabab and the terrorist
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organizations in Somali. Yeah, there's that too. In short, weak safeguards,
poor enforcement, political overcaution, and then the rapid growth of
all these social welfare programs and then government officials just
turning their back. That's the perfect storm that allowed the
fraud to go on for years under the radar. So
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what was the president's response? Have you heard of temporary
protective status? Let's talk about that. Next, it's the Weekend
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Michael Brown joins me here.
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The former FEMA director of talk show host Michael Brown, Brownie, No, Brownie,
You're doing a heck of a job.
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The Weekend with Michael Brown. Welcome back to the Weekend
with Michael Brown. Glad to have you with me. Appreciate
you tuning in. So in light of all these revelations
that I've just kind of thrown out there for you,
Trump made a decision to end temporary protect the status
for Somali immigrants of Minnesota, and then he authorized a
major enforcement operation. Of course, I think it's justified in
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long overdue. Back on November twenty first, he announced on
social media he loves to do it on social media
that he would immediately terminate Smali temporary protected status nationwide,
and in doing so, he cited what his administration described
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as a state Minnesota had been turned into a hub
of fraudulent money laundering activity. And so then just within
days of that announcement, they can the federal authorities, ICE
and others confirm their plans for a sweeping operation in
Minneapolis Saint Paul that was gonna target primarily Samali immigrants
who had final deportation orders. Now, let me repeat what
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I just said. They're going to target primarily Somali immigrants
with final deportation orders. These are Somalis who have already
received their due process, who have already been issued a
deportation ordered by an immigration judge or a federal judge
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for that matter, if that happened to go that far,
and so now they're subject to deportation. And Keith Ellison
is just distraught over that. Why he cannot believe that
it's happening because they contribute a lot to Minnesota. Okay,
well we can argue. I'm sure they do contribute something.
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But whether it's a lot or it's x, no matter
how many, you know, what percentage of the Minnesota GDP is,
I don't care, and I don't care because I'm more
concerned about the fraud going on. Is this guilt by association? Yes,
and I'll tell you why. That's just it's justified for
me to claim that it's guilt by association because this
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is a closed community. This is not a place where,
oh I might be able if I wanted to. I
pay a heavy price for it isolation and harassment and
everything else. But it's kind of like a Chaz zone.
It's kind of like you know in Seattle, So it's
kind of like a no go zone and they want
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to operate independently, well, they won our tax dollars, but
otherwise they want to operate independently, Well, it's not going
to cut it, bucko, it's not going to cut it
at all. Now, proponents argue that, and I think rightfully so,
that ending temporary protective status and curbing immigration from regions
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such as Somali is not only defensible, but it's actually
necessary to preserve the integrity of the welfare and social
services that are being provided to everyone, illegal, alien or not.
I view such steps as preventative measures that will enforce
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ensure that public assistance serves those who generally meet the
requirements for it. Now, that doesn't mean that I don't
think the requirements ought to be tightened up. I believe
they ought to be tightened up, but as they currently exist,
it simply means that if you're going to preserve the
integrity of the system as it currently is structured, then yes,
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it's justified. They would prevent those who want to exploit
it from exploiting it. Those who demand strong enforcement claim
and I agree that this is not animous toward immigrants,
but it's about upholding accountability. It's about protecting Minnesota taxpayers.
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It's about protecting all us taxpayers and something that I
think is a broader concern, but it is a concern
of mine, and that is restoring trust in public institutions,
because the longer we allow this kind of fraud to
occur unabated and there's no reaction or response to it,
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that is you know that that's like the old experiment done.
I forget the Stanford professor that did the experiment where
he took the car and put it out, you know,
put it in outside in I forget Temecula or maybe
the Stanford somewhere, and he put an abandoned car in
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a typical neighborhood. Nothing happened. It's all about the broken
windows theory. And but then the hood was slightly up.
But then he came back two weeks later, nothing had happened.
And this time he took a sledgehammer and he bashed in,
you know, the windshield and a couple of windows and
dined it here and there and just like ants to
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a dead animal out in the what in the wilderness.
He came back just a day later or whatever it was,
in the plate in the car beIN completely stripped down.
That is what is happening to our public institutions. And
until we stand up to this fraud, waste, and abuse
and really actually start doing something about it instead of
politicians just campaigning on it, where the trust and the
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legitimacy in our public institutions will continue to erode, and
you know what, that eventually leads to the demise of
the republic or Michael, you're being hyperbolic. No, not, History
proves that's the case, and then you end up with
you want a little teas here. I'm working on story
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about humans hunting humans, truly hunting humans, because there's an
there's a current investigation occurring in a foreign country right
now where they believe that is occurring. And one of
the aspects of the story that I'm working on has
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to do with that's because when and you've seen it,
it's human nature. Unfortunately, but as things deteriorate, the rule
of law disappears, trust in public institutions deteriorates. You've seen
it where you know, for example, you've seen it in
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a traffic jam where everybody's just you know, stuck and
one car decides to maybe pull off and drive across
the you know, the right hand meet in and get
onto a frontage rote or something that one car does
what it starts everybody else doing it. Well. When our
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public institutions begin to deteriorate, and when the rule of
law begins to deteriorate, that's when you start seeing increases
in crime. And then with the increase in crime, you
start to see some of these soft and crime prosecutors,
and that just further enables and further encourages even more
criminal activity. And the same is true with trust and
public institutions, is that deteriorates, you get more and more fraud,
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more waste, fraud and abuse, and pretty soon you've just
destroyed the entire country. Maybe not pretty soon, but over
time you will. But what amazes me are the critics,
including all the local leaders and all the immigration in
goos all they're out there screaming that this decision unfairly
punishes entire communities for the crimes of a few. Minneapolis
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Mayor Jacob Fright pushed back. He says that targeting Somali
people means that due process will be violated, mistakes will
be made, American citizens will detained for no other reason
that they than the fact that they look like they're Somali.
Did you hear what I said earlier? We're targeting Somali
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immigrants that have final deportation orders. Now, do mistakes get made? Yes,
law enforcement always makes mistakes. Once again, they're not perfect,
they're human and they're going to make mistakes. And we
shouldn't just say, okay, well, then let's not do anything,
because that's what the Minneapolis mayor is implying. Now, if
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you talk to any immigration experts, they will say that, oh,
you know, this abrupt termination of temporary protected status without
standard procedural safeguards, guess what, it's lawful. The National Immigration
Law Center complains that there's no legal mechanism that allows
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the president to terminate protecting status for a particular community
or state. He is a beef with Oh, but it
does because enforcement of immigration law is squarely within the
purview the portfolio of Article two, which is the presidency.
In fact, the Immigration and Naturalization Act gives the president
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the authority to do pretty much anything he wants to do. Now,
he is limited by the Constitution. He does have to
protect due process rights. But if he wants to go
after a particular community, because seventy five or whatever the
number was. Seventy eight out of eighty six are from
that community, then that's the community you want to focus on.
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By the way, if you go look at the National
Immigration Law Center, you'll understand that, Oh, we see which
side of this issue you're on. I think they're crackdown
for some Americans. Feels like a step backward, but backward
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towards something that I think we've all been clamoring for,
enforcing what Democrats like to refer to as our shared values.
So let's steal that phrase. Yes, we have shared values
of accountability, of discipline, of making certain that our tax
dollars are treated with fiduciary care that they should be
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treated with. I don't know about you, but I work
hard for my money. And if you work hard for
your money and it gets confiscated from you, oh, I
know it's a voluntary system, but try not to pay
your taxes and see how that works out. So it
gets confiscated from you and then it gets wasted like this,
I'd rather just have that money back. Okay, just give
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me that money back instead, because I don't think that
you're entitled to it. And quite frankly, I'm tired of
people that everybody wasting it. So the Weekend with Michael Brown.
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So we're talking about these shared values. From the perspective
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of shared values, welcoming immigrants who willingly abide by the
law are able to support themselves and contribute to our
society that they assimilate. I actually think that strengthens the country.
And considering the low birth rate and that we depend
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on an economy that grows. We need immigration, legal immigration,
and legal immigration that does those things I just said.
People who assimilate are willing to abide by our laws,
support themselves, and contribute to our society. That makes the
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nation stronger. But when you have this kind of large
scale fraud, all the welfare abuse and even the criminal
activity that in and of itself is what's going on.
Plus the criminal activity that comes along with people who
are engaging in fraud because there's other fraud or there's
other criminal activity besides the fraud itself, then it becomes
I think an indisputable that continuing with Biden's administration's open border,
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low vetting policy is not compassionate. It's not an attempt
to strengthen the nation. It is reckless, It is destructive,
and it is based on pure partisan politics because they
know that those people will vote Democrat. And I find
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that disgusting. If I said, hey, why don't we just
import you know, white Anglo Saxon Protestants from pick your
country because their white, they're Anglo Saxon and their Protestant
and we think they'll vote Republican, you'd say that's pretty racist.
Michael Well, I think what Biden is doing is pretty
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darn racist. But nobody wants to admit that. Nobody wants
to say that, but it is. And in that vein,
our patriotism is not unbounded generosity. Patriotism is about preserving
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a system where laws apply to every single one of us,
regardless of where we originated from, how we got here,
as long as we got here legally, are supporting ourselves,
have assimilated, had become a part of the fabric of
this nation. And I think regardless, of course, many people
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like to say, irregardless drives me nuts, regardless of the
hardships that they're escaping from whatever country they came from. Truthfully,
while it would be callous of me to say that
I don't care about the hardships that they suffer in
those countries, I don't to this extent. If you're escaping
those hardships, then recognize that you're coming to a country
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where we have hardships of our own, but we don't
have cannibalism, and we don't have human hunting, and we
don't have you know, you know, a communist country that
disappears people. So if you're coming here to escape that,
then recognize the country that you're coming to and be appreciative,
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and you're appreciative by assimilating, supporting yourselves and not depending
upon me and you to take care of you over here.
Take care of yourself. So we need strong policies that
will protect public resources from being hijacked by fraud and
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allowing the importation of people or groups of people whose
behavior and who's morais, who's simple thinking way of living
undermined social trust and our values, who steal from those
who work hard to contribute. They're not welcoming, and we're
not being welcoming by allowing them. What are we doing?
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We become enablers, true enablers, safeguarding our institutions, ensuring physcal responsibility,
demanding lawful behavior. And then if you do all of that,
if you're entitled to under our laws to a permanent
residence status or a temporary protected status, then that's fine.
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But without it, no, I think that our current system,
if we enforce the law, is a system that would
honor both citizens who pay taxes and those who genuinely
seek the opportunity that this nation provides to people. And
if we're ever going to restore faith in government or
in our immigration system or in the idea of a
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shared American identity, then enforcing the law and revoking protections
for those who abuse it. That's not cruelty. I think
it's one of the most patriotic things that this nation
can and should do.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Do you think the worst of the state government fraud
cases have been uncovered.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Or do you have reason to believe there is more?
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I think there's more.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
And look, we've got organized crime ring in Minnesota. I
think it's been going on for years from feeding our appointment.
So you think there's an organized crime ring going on
in Minnesota? What is it that you've been doing, What
have you been trying to protect? What is it that
you are protecting. It's fascinating to me that no one's
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holding any of these y'all who's accountable? And then when
you try to hold them accountable, you've got people like
Keith Ellison that says.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
And just first and foremost one, your reaction to the
President of the United States branding Somali's in Minnesota and
in the country as quote unquote garbage.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
In two, why do you think we have not heard one.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Republican elected official push back on the president's racist.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Well, I'll tell you why. Because the President happens to
be right on this issue. This community. Elon Omar, who
represents that community, I believe she is garbage. I do
believe she is garbage. And the people that she represents
and represents their values, and their values are to steal
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a billion dollars from taxpayers all across the country, from
single mothers working in a couple of jobs trying to
feed their kids. Yeah, stop it, just stop it.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Well, the first thing, whenever the most powerful man in
the world is referring to a group of Americans as
garbage in sub human terms, demonizing them
Speaker 1 (36:49):
If the moniker fits, the moniker fits, I'll be right
back
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to Minnesota. Minnesota, where we've had this wave of revelations
about all this massive fraud within the state's social services
and welfare programs that all erupted this past week, and
it exposed a system which I think we could probably
extrapolate out to lots of states other than just Minnesota.
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I don't care whether you're a red state or a
blue state. Fraud is inherent in government programs. But Minnesota,
to say, you really take the cake on this one,
because the fraud here is absolutely astonishing. The news reports
expose a system that is riddled with abuse, and there
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are astonishing I think almost truthfully, I believe criminal lapses
in oversight everything from housing assistance to nutritional Aid Aid,
just program after programs after program appears to have been exploited,
siphoning off millions, if not billions, of dollars from taxpayers.
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And if you think this is just about Minnesota, you're wrong.
And the reason I say that is because we forget
that a lot of these programs that are administered by
the state are actually funded by taxpayers across the country.
So in Colorado, for example, or Minnesota doesn't make Itever
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you pick your own state, you have a snap program,
you know, supplemental nutritional assistance program, the food stamp program,
or you have you know, Medicaid, whatever it is that
is funded. Yes, part of it, some of it may
be funded by some state dollars, but the majority of
the money comes from the federal government. And so you
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can ignore a state like Minnesota at your own peril. Instead,
you ought to pay attention to what goes on in
a state like Minnesota. And I really don't give a
rat to ask whether you're a red state or a
blue state. You ought to be asking questions of your
political leadership in your state. Hey, what's going on here?
What's happening here? What's most alarming about Minnesota is the
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growing evidence that this was not just a negligence, you know,
just people just not doing their jobs, but a breakdown
in accountability that was so bad that it was allowed
to flourish under the watch of the actual state leadership,
who including the government South Tim Walls, and I think
they actually knew what was going on. Can't prove that,
(04:08):
but I think as we continue the investigation, we may
we should not be surprised to find out later that,
you know, they kind of knew about it. In fact,
I don't want to bury the lead too much here,
but we have whistleblowers in Minnesota who have been trying
to sound the alarm, saying that the governor knew about this,
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that the director of their social services system, their human
health and human services system, and that the bureaucrats that
administer the program they all knew about it. Wow. So
this scandal now sits I think at a broader national
debate that has questions that have to be answered, how
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did this happen, What does it mean for our immigration
policies as we move forward, and is it possible to
re establish a firm expectation from taxpayers for those coming
into the country that you need to be able to
take care of yourself. You need to be able to
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sustain your own life, and if you cannot do that,
then you can't come to the country. Oh Michael, you
can't do that. Wait a minute, what do you mean,
I can't do that. That's what the existing laws require.
So just like we just needed a new president in
order to shut the flow of illegal immigration coming into
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the country, we now need that same president to step
up and say, you know what, we're going to enforce this.
And I'll get to this later in the program, but
we're going to force and just stop this immigration. And
if you want to come here, then you need to
be able to speak English. You need to, you know,
show that you have you don't have any communical communicable diseases,
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and that you have the ability to sustain yourself. Either
you have someone you're going to live with it's going
to take care of you, or you have a job,
or you're enabled bobby bodied person that can find a job.
And these cases out of Minnesota have rightfully sparked outrage
and people are asking how could this abuse have gone
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on for so long? But I think there's another question,
not only you know, how can it have continued for
so long, but who's responsible for allowing it? And how
did we stop it from And I'll never say this
never happening again, because there will always be fraud. But
this is this is all this scale. If we're looking
at a scale of fraud of one to ten, this
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is a ten I'm willing to accept. I told her,
you know, I was tatisfying before Congress one time and
we were testifying about fraud in some of the programs
coming out of FEMA DHS, and I said, we do
everything we can to prevent fraud, but there will always
be frauds of the cost of doing business. We have
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to minimize it, we have to mitigate against it. We
have to work and investigate. That's what the Inspector General's for.
We try to do everything we can to put accountability
measures in place, but there are people who will always
try to cheat and find a way to get it,
you know, to do this. And so if I want
to go find fraud in a program, I can. I
hope it's only a thousand dollars, but if I find
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one thousand dollars in fraud, I'm not going to be surprised.
You would have thought I had committed some sort of
blasphemy by saying that there will always be fraud. Well,
I'm telling you in any you know, if you work
for any size organization, there's fraud in it. It may
be deminimous, but there is fraud. You know why, because
human beings are involved. Now, colding the White House, the
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scandal involving the fraudulent diversion of taxpayer funds cost the
taxpayers about a billion dollars. Now, that alone ought to
shake everybody's confidence in oversight, not only at the state level,
but at the federal level. There have been eighty six
individuals charged so far, seventy eight are of Somali ancestry,
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and that's prompted high level federal intervention. The US Immigrations
and Customs Enforcement ICE is reportedly planning what's being described
as a surge of enforcement in the Twin Cities Minneapolis,
Saint Paul. That's a crackdown that officials say is necessary
that I would agree is necessary too in light of
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the immigrant communities tied to the fraud investigation. If it
were any other organization, any other group of people, we'll
be screaming, yes, we want investigations, we want to find
out whether this is systemic to this particular community. Pick
an Indian tribe, if it's a particular Indian tribe, investigate them,
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by the way. That's not racist, that's just being good
fiduciaries of the money that you and I work hard
every single week that gets confiscated by the federal government,
that then gets wasted in fraudulent cases like this. But
how was this allowed to fester so long in the
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first place. I'll answer that next. I'll be right back. Hey,
So we begin with Michael Brown. Thanks for tuning in.
I appreciate you listening. Tell your friends and enemies about
the program. So thinking, you know, if you've got somebody
that I might you know, piss off, be sure and
tell them too. How did this fraud occur in the
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first place? Now, A lot of sources that I read
and study suggest that there's there's been a combination of
systemic negligence. There's obviously inadequate oversight, duh. But there's also
a political hesitancy that created this fertile ground for abuse.
One overriding fact, it's just a fact. You don't have
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to get emotional, you don't have to get all twisted
in a pretzel about it. It's just a fact. There
is a dominant Somali segment of the population where the
majority of this fraud is occurring. When you have seventy
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eight out of the eighty six individuals being Somali, by
my calculation, that's more than half. That's approaching seventy five percent.
I haven't done the math, but it's way over half.
That's just a fact. And you can draw whatever conclusions
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you want to from that. But maybe I'll help you
along a little bit. Now. There's a White House memorandum
ount that argues that state and Democrat officials were quote
reluctant tolerating, if not tacitly allowing the fraud because because
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your honor, the Minnesota political community was worried about the
quote political backlash among the Somali community. Hmm. And there
were consistent warnings from both whistleblowers and actual audits that
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were at least by my reckoning, were ignored by those
in charge, likely including Democrat Governor Tim Walls himself and
the Attorney General Keith Ellison. Keith Ellison, what have you
believe the Attorney General that well, no, and to you know,
and to suggest otherwise was just trying to play politics.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
And Attorney General, I want to get back to this
playbook that you outlined from the president of what he
does when he's backed into a corner and wants to
detract attention. He also, in the past has historically used
isolated instances to justify this language of bigotry and paint.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Wow, you talk about setting up a question such that
you you everybody rule abet never accept the premise of
a question. This reporter comes from a local station in Minnesota,
is actually setting him up with all of the premise
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he needs to claim that this is all nothing but
racist and political. Listen closely to how she sets the
question up.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Ell, I want to get back to this playbook that
you outlined from the president of what he does when
he's backed into a corner and wants to detract attention.
He also in the past has historically used isolated instances
to justify this language of bigotry and paint with extremely
broad brushstrokes and make these generalizations. He has owned in
on this investigation into feed feeding our Future, which your
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office actually prosecuted. I'm wondering if you can set the
record straight here and talk a little bit about this
investigation and what it entailed and how isolated it actually was.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Well, it was the US Attorney's Office that actually brought
the prosecutions.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Wow, oh, so go ahead and correct her. It wasn't
my office. It was actually the US Attorney's office. Yeah,
so what did you do, mister Attorney General? See, I
would interrupt you if I were the reporter, I'd interrupt
you at that point and say, oh, so the US
Attorney's office did this? How come you weren't involved because
there are obvious I mean, clearly there's federal charges because
federal taxpayer dollars are involved. But it's also being administered
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by the state. Mister Attorney General, don't you have any
concern or interest in the legal and the proper administration
of these dollars by state officials?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
To office contributed and gave evidence of information to advance
the prosecution.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
But I want to say thank you, and in other words,
we send them some memos.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
That's off at congratulations to our colleagues in the US
Attorney's Office for a job done. They prosecuted over seventy
eight of these people. But let me just say this,
we all want to protect the public dollar. We want
to prosecute people who engage in fraud. We are up
for that.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
But Wayment, he's right, seventy eighty been prosecuted, knows he
doesn't tell you what air quote here community was prosecuted.
We can't do it on a partisan basis. We got
to do it together.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
We can't use incidents like this to score a political point.
We got to come in as a state and say
you will not steal money intended for poor people and
prosecute them. That's what That's how we protect the resources
of the state of Minnesota. But I would say, you know,
the President just let this guy, mister Gentilly walk from
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a pardon, who I think stole about a billion dollars
from people. He did the crypto fraud served mister Jao,
he just got a pardon.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
We're watching all kinds. I mean, the President is so inconsistent.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
How can he say we're worried about fraud and then
turn around and say, oh, yeah, we're gonna let my
friend change in Azou walk after he's done all.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
These billions of dollars worth of fraud. It's like the
drug war issue.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
You're letting go people who move tons of cocaine into Minnesota,
and on the same time, you're killing people in the
name of drug fighting drugs.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
This one about is I'm on his part. This simply
does not work because every example that he gave was
of someone who had been charged, tried, and convicted. The
pardon is irrelevant to the initial investigation, the trial, and
the conviction. And then I wonder what Keith Ellison would
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have to say about trying to interdict the drug boats
out of Venezuela, because my guess is he's opposed to that.
Even though he claims, well, he's just letting drugs flow
into Minnesota, he is, how's that happening.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
It's completely inconsistent, and therefore we doubt the sincerity of
the plan.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
So we just doubt him. We just don't believe anything
the president has to say. That's pretty much what he
has to say that I'm telling you, you guys in Minnesota,
you got one hell of a political team there between
Tim Walls and Keith Allison. I'd put a hoodie on, Yeah,
I'd walk around with a hoodie on, just out of him,
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but don't let him see your face. Because the massive
level of neglect along with I haven't mentioned this, but
along with the expansion of the of those welfare programs,
particularly during the COVID era, seems to have enabled the
deception because the non government organizations and the nonprofits allegedly
build for services to non existent children, therapy for non
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existent autistic patients, and housing and food services to people
who never received those services. The fraud network is reportedly massy,
It spans multiple NGOs and in some cases allegedly channeling
money even out of state and abroad. I mean thinking
about going to you know, al Shabab and the terrorist
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organizations in Somali. Yeah, there's that too. In short, weak safeguards,
poor enforcement, political overcaution, and then the rapid growth of
all these social welfare programs and then government officials just
turning their back. That's the perfect storm that allowed the
fraud to go on for years under the radar. So
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what was the president's response? Have you heard of temporary
protective status? Let's talk about that. Next, it's the Weekend
with Michael Brown. Text lines always opened three three, one
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Michael Brown joins me here.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
The former FEMA director of talk show host Michael Brown, Brownie, No, Brownie,
You're doing a heck of a job.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
The Weekend with Michael Brown. Welcome back to the Weekend
with Michael Brown. Glad to have you with me. Appreciate
you tuning in. So in light of all these revelations
that I've just kind of thrown out there for you,
Trump made a decision to end temporary protect the status
for Somali immigrants of Minnesota, and then he authorized a
major enforcement operation. Of course, I think it's justified in
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long overdue. Back on November twenty first, he announced on
social media he loves to do it on social media
that he would immediately terminate Smali temporary protected status nationwide,
and in doing so, he cited what his administration described
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as a state Minnesota had been turned into a hub
of fraudulent money laundering activity. And so then just within
days of that announcement, they can the federal authorities, ICE
and others confirm their plans for a sweeping operation in
Minneapolis Saint Paul that was gonna target primarily Samali immigrants
who had final deportation orders. Now, let me repeat what
(19:14):
I just said. They're going to target primarily Somali immigrants
with final deportation orders. These are Somalis who have already
received their due process, who have already been issued a
deportation ordered by an immigration judge or a federal judge
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for that matter, if that happened to go that far,
and so now they're subject to deportation. And Keith Ellison
is just distraught over that. Why he cannot believe that
it's happening because they contribute a lot to Minnesota. Okay,
well we can argue. I'm sure they do contribute something.
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But whether it's a lot or it's x, no matter
how many, you know, what percentage of the Minnesota GDP is,
I don't care, and I don't care because I'm more
concerned about the fraud going on. Is this guilt by association? Yes,
and I'll tell you why. That's just it's justified for
me to claim that it's guilt by association because this
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is a closed community. This is not a place where,
oh I might be able if I wanted to. I
pay a heavy price for it isolation and harassment and
everything else. But it's kind of like a Chaz zone.
It's kind of like you know in Seattle, So it's
kind of like a no go zone and they want
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to operate independently, well, they won our tax dollars, but
otherwise they want to operate independently, Well, it's not going
to cut it, bucko, it's not going to cut it
at all. Now, proponents argue that, and I think rightfully so,
that ending temporary protective status and curbing immigration from regions
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such as Somali is not only defensible, but it's actually
necessary to preserve the integrity of the welfare and social
services that are being provided to everyone, illegal, alien or not.
I view such steps as preventative measures that will enforce
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ensure that public assistance serves those who generally meet the
requirements for it. Now, that doesn't mean that I don't
think the requirements ought to be tightened up. I believe
they ought to be tightened up, but as they currently exist,
it simply means that if you're going to preserve the
integrity of the system as it currently is structured, then yes,
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it's justified. They would prevent those who want to exploit
it from exploiting it. Those who demand strong enforcement claim
and I agree that this is not animous toward immigrants,
but it's about upholding accountability. It's about protecting Minnesota taxpayers.
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It's about protecting all us taxpayers and something that I
think is a broader concern, but it is a concern
of mine, and that is restoring trust in public institutions,
because the longer we allow this kind of fraud to
occur unabated and there's no reaction or response to it,
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that is you know that that's like the old experiment done.
I forget the Stanford professor that did the experiment where
he took the car and put it out, you know,
put it in outside in I forget Temecula or maybe
the Stanford somewhere, and he put an abandoned car in
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a typical neighborhood. Nothing happened. It's all about the broken
windows theory. And but then the hood was slightly up.
But then he came back two weeks later, nothing had happened.
And this time he took a sledgehammer and he bashed in,
you know, the windshield and a couple of windows and
dined it here and there and just like ants to
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a dead animal out in the what in the wilderness.
He came back just a day later or whatever it was,
in the plate in the car beIN completely stripped down.
That is what is happening to our public institutions. And
until we stand up to this fraud, waste, and abuse
and really actually start doing something about it instead of
politicians just campaigning on it, where the trust and the
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legitimacy in our public institutions will continue to erode, and
you know what, that eventually leads to the demise of
the republic or Michael, you're being hyperbolic. No, not, History
proves that's the case, and then you end up with
you want a little teas here. I'm working on story
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about humans hunting humans, truly hunting humans, because there's an
there's a current investigation occurring in a foreign country right
now where they believe that is occurring. And one of
the aspects of the story that I'm working on has
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to do with that's because when and you've seen it,
it's human nature. Unfortunately, but as things deteriorate, the rule
of law disappears, trust in public institutions deteriorates. You've seen
it where you know, for example, you've seen it in
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a traffic jam where everybody's just you know, stuck and
one car decides to maybe pull off and drive across
the you know, the right hand meet in and get
onto a frontage rote or something that one car does
what it starts everybody else doing it. Well. When our
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public institutions begin to deteriorate, and when the rule of
law begins to deteriorate, that's when you start seeing increases
in crime. And then with the increase in crime, you
start to see some of these soft and crime prosecutors,
and that just further enables and further encourages even more
criminal activity. And the same is true with trust and
public institutions, is that deteriorates, you get more and more fraud,
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more waste, fraud and abuse, and pretty soon you've just
destroyed the entire country. Maybe not pretty soon, but over
time you will. But what amazes me are the critics,
including all the local leaders and all the immigration in
goos all they're out there screaming that this decision unfairly
punishes entire communities for the crimes of a few. Minneapolis
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Mayor Jacob Fright pushed back. He says that targeting Somali
people means that due process will be violated, mistakes will
be made, American citizens will detained for no other reason
that they than the fact that they look like they're Somali.
Did you hear what I said earlier? We're targeting Somali
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immigrants that have final deportation orders. Now, do mistakes get made? Yes,
law enforcement always makes mistakes. Once again, they're not perfect,
they're human and they're going to make mistakes. And we
shouldn't just say, okay, well, then let's not do anything,
because that's what the Minneapolis mayor is implying. Now, if
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you talk to any immigration experts, they will say that, oh,
you know, this abrupt termination of temporary protected status without
standard procedural safeguards, guess what, it's lawful. The National Immigration
Law Center complains that there's no legal mechanism that allows
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the president to terminate protecting status for a particular community
or state. He is a beef with Oh, but it
does because enforcement of immigration law is squarely within the
purview the portfolio of Article two, which is the presidency.
In fact, the Immigration and Naturalization Act gives the president
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the authority to do pretty much anything he wants to do. Now,
he is limited by the Constitution. He does have to
protect due process rights. But if he wants to go
after a particular community, because seventy five or whatever the
number was. Seventy eight out of eighty six are from
that community, then that's the community you want to focus on.
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By the way, if you go look at the National
Immigration Law Center, you'll understand that, Oh, we see which
side of this issue you're on. I think they're crackdown
for some Americans. Feels like a step backward, but backward
(28:05):
towards something that I think we've all been clamoring for,
enforcing what Democrats like to refer to as our shared values.
So let's steal that phrase. Yes, we have shared values
of accountability, of discipline, of making certain that our tax
dollars are treated with fiduciary care that they should be
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treated with. I don't know about you, but I work
hard for my money. And if you work hard for
your money and it gets confiscated from you, oh, I
know it's a voluntary system, but try not to pay
your taxes and see how that works out. So it
gets confiscated from you and then it gets wasted like this,
I'd rather just have that money back. Okay, just give
(28:49):
me that money back instead, because I don't think that
you're entitled to it. And quite frankly, I'm tired of
people that everybody wasting it. So the Weekend with Michael Brown.
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So we're talking about these shared values. From the perspective
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of shared values, welcoming immigrants who willingly abide by the
law are able to support themselves and contribute to our
society that they assimilate. I actually think that strengthens the country.
And considering the low birth rate and that we depend
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on an economy that grows. We need immigration, legal immigration,
and legal immigration that does those things I just said.
People who assimilate are willing to abide by our laws,
support themselves, and contribute to our society. That makes the
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nation stronger. But when you have this kind of large
scale fraud, all the welfare abuse and even the criminal
activity that in and of itself is what's going on.
Plus the criminal activity that comes along with people who
are engaging in fraud because there's other fraud or there's
other criminal activity besides the fraud itself, then it becomes
I think an indisputable that continuing with Biden's administration's open border,
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low vetting policy is not compassionate. It's not an attempt
to strengthen the nation. It is reckless, It is destructive,
and it is based on pure partisan politics because they
know that those people will vote Democrat. And I find
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that disgusting. If I said, hey, why don't we just
import you know, white Anglo Saxon Protestants from pick your
country because their white, they're Anglo Saxon and their Protestant
and we think they'll vote Republican, you'd say that's pretty racist.
Michael Well, I think what Biden is doing is pretty
(31:47):
darn racist. But nobody wants to admit that. Nobody wants
to say that, but it is. And in that vein,
our patriotism is not unbounded generosity. Patriotism is about preserving
(32:08):
a system where laws apply to every single one of us,
regardless of where we originated from, how we got here,
as long as we got here legally, are supporting ourselves,
have assimilated, had become a part of the fabric of
this nation. And I think regardless, of course, many people
(32:30):
like to say, irregardless drives me nuts, regardless of the
hardships that they're escaping from whatever country they came from. Truthfully,
while it would be callous of me to say that
I don't care about the hardships that they suffer in
those countries, I don't to this extent. If you're escaping
those hardships, then recognize that you're coming to a country
(32:54):
where we have hardships of our own, but we don't
have cannibalism, and we don't have human hunting, and we
don't have you know, you know, a communist country that
disappears people. So if you're coming here to escape that,
then recognize the country that you're coming to and be appreciative,
(33:16):
and you're appreciative by assimilating, supporting yourselves and not depending
upon me and you to take care of you over here.
Take care of yourself. So we need strong policies that
will protect public resources from being hijacked by fraud and
(33:36):
allowing the importation of people or groups of people whose
behavior and who's morais, who's simple thinking way of living
undermined social trust and our values, who steal from those
who work hard to contribute. They're not welcoming, and we're
not being welcoming by allowing them. What are we doing?
(33:58):
We become enablers, true enablers, safeguarding our institutions, ensuring physcal responsibility,
demanding lawful behavior. And then if you do all of that,
if you're entitled to under our laws to a permanent
residence status or a temporary protected status, then that's fine.
(34:20):
But without it, no, I think that our current system,
if we enforce the law, is a system that would
honor both citizens who pay taxes and those who genuinely
seek the opportunity that this nation provides to people. And
if we're ever going to restore faith in government or
in our immigration system or in the idea of a
(34:42):
shared American identity, then enforcing the law and revoking protections
for those who abuse it. That's not cruelty. I think
it's one of the most patriotic things that this nation
can and should do.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Do you think the worst of the state government fraud
cases have been uncovered.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Or do you have reason to believe there is more?
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I think there's more.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
And look, we've got organized crime ring in Minnesota. I
think it's been going on for years from feeding our appointment.
So you think there's an organized crime ring going on
in Minnesota? What is it that you've been doing, What
have you been trying to protect? What is it that
you are protecting. It's fascinating to me that no one's
(35:30):
holding any of these y'all who's accountable? And then when
you try to hold them accountable, you've got people like
Keith Ellison that says.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
And just first and foremost one, your reaction to the
President of the United States branding Somali's in Minnesota and
in the country as quote unquote garbage.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
In two, why do you think we have not heard one.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Republican elected official push back on the president's racist.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Well, I'll tell you why. Because the President happens to
be right on this issue. This community. Elon Omar, who
represents that community, I believe she is garbage. I do
believe she is garbage. And the people that she represents
and represents their values, and their values are to steal
(36:22):
a billion dollars from taxpayers all across the country, from
single mothers working in a couple of jobs trying to
feed their kids. Yeah, stop it, just stop it.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Well, the first thing, whenever the most powerful man in
the world is referring to a group of Americans as
garbage in sub human terms, demonizing them
Speaker 1 (36:49):
If the moniker fits, the moniker fits, I'll be right
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