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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, Michael, you know what they always say, history repeats itself.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Germany is going back to their old Nazi tactics in
our country.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
In the big media, I thinks it's okay.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
You're in trouble, you are not dailings.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Yeah, well, come and prosecute me. Here's why this is
so important because to the first talk back point, not
only is Germany going backwards, but we have an American
media outlet, a formally revered outlet, sixty minutes pushing this
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all in the name of civility. Now, I want you
to think about if history doesn't it indeed does repeat itself.
At the same time that we're reversing course and that
we're trying to get off this progressive highway way, Germany's
going right back to fascism. They're going right back to
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well Germany not necessarily Stazi's not necessarily Germans were going
right back to the Stasi kind of you know, watching
other people's lives, turning other people in. But it's not
just Germany, it's throughout the entirety of the continent, including
the United Kingdom, England and Scotland. I don't really know
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about Ireland, but certainly Scotland and England are doing it
now as they go, and they continue down that path
if they really become an Islamist continent, where does that
leave us? What's between us and the old Soviet Union,
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what's between us and the Iranians, what's between us and
Chinese Communist Party? You see, the rest of the world
is moving in darkness. The rest of the world is
moving into the darkness, while we have finally with this
last election, started to pull ourselves out of it. We
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need to care about this, which is why JD Vance's
speech to the Munich Security Conference was so damn important
and why the media here tried to ignore it.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
As much as possible.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
And I shouldn't say the media of the Cabal because
plenty of other outlets covered it almost add nausea.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
They continue a symbolism ASWASAKA denied the Holocaust.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
That's that's clear?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
All?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
That's clear?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Now?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
You can debate that till the cows come home. But
from my point of view, outlawing Nazi symbols and I
understand that they are. What they're trying to do is
they're trying to prevent the rise of fascism. They're trying
to prevent the rise of Nazism by outlawing those symbols, outlawing,
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outlawing a denial of the Holocaust, which when you think
about it, is actually kind of what Nazism was doing.
So you're going to outlaw any of the symbols, and
then you're going to outlaw any denial of what took place.
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So you're, in essence, replicating what the nationalists socialists were
doing in their own country. And now you're repeating it
again all in saye by saying because we don't want
to repeat it, by and by saying you're not repeating it,
you're actually repeating it. It's insanity, it's utter insanity. But
I want you to listen to these goobers. I apologize
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they're not good. I want you to listen to these
a holes. These prosecutors, they absolutely both in their appearance,
their demeanor, their mannerisms, their speech, personify exactly the kind
of bureaucrats that I saw all throughout the belt Weigh
and around here for that matter.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
That do you want them.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Determining whether or not you're going to be prosecuted for
something you thought said or wrote tine.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
To insult somebody in public. Yeses, and it's a crime
to insult them online as well.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yes, yes, fine, of course it's a crime to insult
someone in public, and it's a crime to insult.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
To insult someone.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
Hey, Michael Dragon, before you.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Even started me just to beye, because I know what
you're gonna do. You're the ugliest. I think I've seen it.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (04:49):
Oh I was going to stick off with the ugliness.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Okay, well you.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Come up with something else.
Speaker 7 (04:55):
The two of us, you win hands down.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
No, you're the ugly, so ob at least I had
least at least I got advanced hair. You have hair,
so of course the problem is you you're missing so
much hair, and it looks so horrible that you couldn't
I mean that doctor Pauls could retire just doing your head.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Would she couldn't find enough elsewhere. You got to have
some hair somewhere, unless you just want peepy care all
over your head. I mean, I suppose that's what you want,
which makes you a richard head. Okay, come on, prosecutors,
come and get us.
Speaker 8 (05:36):
We would even higher if you insign someone in the Internet,
because in Internet it stays there. If we are talking,
you face to face, you unsut me and sold you.
Speaker 7 (05:47):
Okay, finish, but if you.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
See, if I do it in person, it's you know,
you say it, I say something back.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
That's done.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
It's over with, except you can still get prosecuted for it.
He kind of glosses over that you could still if
drag in Germany, if Dragon offends me, I can go
and say, you know what, In fact, you know Kelly
or somebody who's around, and I've got a couple of.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
Witnesses, witness h Kelly's my witness.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Okay, see somebody somebody heard it, somebody's somewhere. So I've
got enough witnesses, so I'll get you prosecuted.
Speaker 8 (06:18):
Jennet, I finds out you or a politician that.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Sticks around forever. Yeah, the prosecutors explained.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
German law also prohibits the spread of malicious gossip, violent.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
Threats, and fake quotes. If somebody posts something that's not
true and then somebody.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Else reposts it or likes it, are they committing a crime?
Speaker 9 (06:40):
In the case of reposting it as a crime as well,
because the reader that can't distinguished whether you just invented
this or just reposted it, that's the same for us.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
See, if you repost something, then whoever reads that doesn't
know if you wrote it originally or someone else did it,
So you're as guilty as the original poster by reposting
something that is false. Hmm okay, what if I happen
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to believe it? Or what if I'm commenting on the falsehood.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Punishment for breaking hate speech laws can include jail time
for repeat offenders, but in most cases a judge Levy's
a stiff mine and sometimes keeps their devices.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
How do people.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
React when you take their phones from them?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Righten? Raise is a good point. What if you think
it's satire? Doesn't matter?
Speaker 7 (07:38):
Yeah, what if Kelly, who heard our interaction reposted that
conversation because she thought it was funny. So now she's
in trouble. She is because she thought something was fun.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
You can't do And the point is you can't do satire. Oh,
you can't do satire.
Speaker 10 (07:58):
It's the kind of punishment if you do this motophone,
it's even less than to find you have to pick Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
There's your whole life is typically on your phone now.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
The application of Germany's decades old speech laws to the
online world was accelerated after an assassination fueled by the Internet,
said shockwaves through the country.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
So you're gonna hear a story about a politician that
gets assassinated. And because people came after him, they didn't
like him. They said bad things about him, they said
ugly things about him.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But I want you to.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Pay attention to one little fact toy that I found
kind of interesting because when I think about a causal link,
you know, a causes.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
B In twenty fifteen, a video of a local politician
named Walter Lubka went viral after he defended then Chancellor
Angela Merkel's progressive immigration policy.
Speaker 9 (08:52):
People it was a very right plitico both view, they
started and hating him on the internet to day.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
They started hating him hate in two fifteen. They started
hating him because he criticized Angela Merkel's immigration policies.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Okay, got it inserting him. So they started.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
In hating him and they insulted.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Him to incite people to kill him.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
And that one they implied for people to kill him.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
On for about four years.
Speaker 11 (09:26):
Four years, four years line, yes, until in twenty nineteen,
so four years after he gave that speech, he was
shot in.
Speaker 9 (09:37):
His head and instantly that so that was one of
the cases where we see that online hate can sometimes
find a way into real life and then hurt people.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
You know what, Again, an inquiring journalist like at sixty
minutes would say, well, what was the causal link the
person who was a Did they admit that it was
the speech that he read that caused him to go
assassinate the politician or did he share.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
The same views? And on his own.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
He decided because nobody else pulled the trigger except him,
he made the choice. And if we're talking about over
a four year period, anybody, you show me the person,
I'll find the crime.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
After a man with links to Neo Nazis was arrested,
Germany ramped up the creation of its online.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Hate task forces.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
There are sixteen units across the country, each with a
team of investigators. Frank Mihai l Lau, a career criminal prosecutor,
leads the lower Saxon units.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
How many cases are you working on at any time?
Speaker 10 (11:00):
Oh, you want to? We have about three thousand, five
hundred cases per year.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Nine investigators work out of this office in a converted
courthouse in MoU says they get hundreds of tips a
month from police watch dog groups and victims.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Watch dog groups, cops and victims, and then they sit
and they decide which ones cross some imaginary threshold. No standards,
no set bar, nothing, just I find it fascinating that
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someone that's not even involved in the dispute or the
hate speech can report it. I heard Dragon say something,
and okay, well then we'll go. Or I saw Dragon
post something. Let me bring it to your attention and okay,
well we'll look at it and then we will decide.
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So I suppose I'm going to assume for the time
being that they also themselves.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Go look for it.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
But they're turning citizen, whether those citizens are individuals or
members of NGOs or whatever, against themselves. Gee, that sounds
like the nationalists socialists.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
You must see a lot of crazy stuffs.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Yes, the worst of the Internet is wrapped in red
case folders, stuffed with pronounce of online flours, threats and hate.
Speaker 10 (12:35):
This is a criminal offensel. What does that say for flushlinger?
Speaker 5 (12:39):
So they're suggesting that the refugee children play in the
electrical wires.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Okay, So there's a photograph of what appears to be
an electrical substation and the caption in German, which I
don't understand. But what he says is, Oh, they're suggesting
that the children of illegal aliens go play in the substation.
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A horrible thing to say, protected by the First Amendment
in my opinion. And how do you show a causation?
Did any children actually go play and get electrocuted in
the substation?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
No? Would it make any difference you suggested.
Speaker 10 (13:22):
It in this case she was set to pay two
thousand and seven hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Well, it's another parking ticket, non a parking ticket.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
To build their cases, investigators scour social media and use
public and government data. Now says sometimes social media companies
will provide information to prosecutors, but not always.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Oh so, sometimes media companies, the press will provide information
to the prosecutors.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Oh so, the task force employees special software investigators to
help unmask anonymous users. This is suggesting you kill people
seeking asylum here. Laus says his unit has successfully prosecuted
about seven hundred and fifty hate speech cases over.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
The last four years.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
But it was a twenty twenty one case involving a
local politician named Andy Grote that captured the country's attention.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Now, this is a fairly young looks to be like
maybe's thirties or forties, a fairly popular local politician, and
they call him a pimol pimol p I M M EO.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Growth complained about a tweet that called him a pimmel,
a German word for the male anatomy.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
A German word for the male anatomy. They called him
a penis or probably a richard.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
At triggered a police raid and accusations of excessive censorship
by the government. As prosecutors explained to us, in Germany,
it's okay to debate politics online, but it can be
a crime to call anyone a pimple.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Dragging. You're such a pimble.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Even a politician.
Speaker 12 (15:11):
So it sounds like you're saying it's okay to criticize
a politician's policy, but not to say, yeah, I think
you're a jerking idiot exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah. Coman's like your son of a bitch.
Speaker 8 (15:25):
Excuse me for this words has nothing to do with
the political discussions.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I see. I found that fascinating.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
So he uses the phrase he would be like calling
somebody a son of a bitch. So he can say
that it's like calling somebody a son of a bitch.
But if he called somebody to their face the son
of a bitch, that turns into a crime. That turns
into a crime, dragging you son of a bitch. See
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but if I just say, you know, disguise, use the
term son of a bitch, that's not a crime.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Calling dragon would be for a conch ofu to a discussion.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Civility is more than a commandment. For Germans. Rules are gospel.
Even on a quiet street, the crosswalk signal is adhered
to with the devotion of a monk.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
But sony here they show, which is such German tradition.
Rule followers do what we're told. It's part of their
national DNA. They don't have revolutionaries like us. They're not.
They're like whatever, you know. I have friends who are
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from Germany. I have friends who have family in Germany,
and they're certainly not like this at all. But many
Germans are nothing but rule followers. I will do whatever
the government says. If you tell me to stand in
this box for the next eight hours, I'll stand in
a box. I won't dare cross a street that has
no cars on it anywhere to be seen, which is
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what they're showing. No traffic anywhere but the the little
guy is showing don't cross the street, so they just
stand stand there and only move when it turns green
and tells him across the street. They never make it
in New York and it Hell's bell. They wouldn't make
it around here.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
You're worried by policing the internet. Germany is backsliding the
criticism that you know, this feels that the surveillance that
Germany conducted eight years ago, how do you respond to
that there is no surveilance. Josephine Ballone is a CEO
of hay Day, a Berlin based human rights organization that
supports victims of online violence.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
In the United States.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
A lot of people online violence, Online violence a crime.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
I love you, buddy, that that will you see you?
You did the offending insult, and then you try to
gloss over it, trying to make it sound funny. But
in Germany that's not gonna fly.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
This is.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I guess the reason I want I spend so much
time on this because this is this is really important
to me, and I want it to be important to you.
Because we're on this pathway. You understand that, right we're
on this pathway because that's what hate crimes are about
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I I murder you because I hate you. Well, yeah,
it kind of goes without saying, doesn't it. Or I
hate I murder you in a heat of passion, but
it's a heat of passion because.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
You're black and I hate black people. So I'm gonna
murder you because you're black, or you're Asian, you're Hispanic
or your trans or your white. I mean, it's murder.
And now you're trying to impugne a value, a belief
on top of the crime. I mean, you're dead because
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I killed you. Does it really make any difference? And
I know everybody, Oh, well, what was the motive? We
gotta find we we gotta find the motive. Okay, well fine, but.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
The motive really doesn't ever well, very rarely has anything
to do with the committee of the crime. Maybe I
murdered you because oh it turns out that you've been
physically or sexually abusing me for decades. That might have
some impact on the defense, but it has nothing to
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do with the ultimate crime of murder of taking the
life of another person a homicide. Here, Germany wants to
criminalize your thoughts, your opinions, even if people disagree with
your opinions. And even worse than that, they want to
they want to criminal you insulting someone. And I forget
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who this reporter is, I don't care. On sixty minutes,
is enthralled by this.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Look at this and say this is restricting free speech.
It's a threat to democracy.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Free speech needs boundaries.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
And okay, let's take her at her word that free
speech needs a boundary. We've got a boundary in this country.
I can't use speech to incite violence, but to criminalize
that speech, I actually have to incite violence. Because I
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if I'm out there shouting about something, you know, and
people think I'm just some nutjob and it doesn't incite violence,
I might get arrested for a public disturbance, but I'm
not going to get arrested for violating the First Amendment
because I incited violence, because there is no violence. I
didn't incite any violence. Now, if my speech results in
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violence and there's a causal link between my speech and
the violence that occurs, now I've committed a crime. But otherwise,
see what they want to do is they want bottom
line is that they just they want to control what
you say, all in the name of civility, and as
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goes Germany, as goes most of Europe, and as goes Europe,
as goes most of the world. Right now, the Founding
Fathers were amazingly prescient in preserving the right of free
speech in this country and protecting that right of free
speech by the Second Amendment, which allows us as individuals
to keep in bear arms and that shall not be infringed.
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Germany doesn't have that either.
Speaker 13 (22:00):
In the case of Germany, these boundaries are part of
our constitution. Without boundaries, a very small group of people
can rely on endless freedom to say anything that they want,
while everyone else is scared and intimidated.
Speaker 12 (22:17):
In your fear is that if people are freely attacked.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
Online, that they'll withdraw from the discussion.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
This is not only a fear.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
We're fearful that if you're attacked online, you may withdraw
from the discussion. Oh okay, so now you're trying to
protect cowards or the people who aren't willing to stand
up for themselves. What obligation do you have to do
that by punishing somebody.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Else already taking place?
Speaker 13 (22:50):
Already half of the Internet users in Germany are afraid
to express their political opinion.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Now think about the inconsistency. More than half of people
in Germany are afraid to express their political opinion. So
we're going to politician criminalize those who express a political
opinion that we think intimidates other people's political opinion. So
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you're actually encouraging the discouragement of expressing political opinions. It's
such a circular circle, you know what, that they're engaged.
Speaker 13 (23:31):
In here, and they rarely participate in public debates online anymore.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Half of the internet users vision hate speech moot but not.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Kunas is a prominent German politician. In twenty fifteen, this
meme of the Green Party member appeared on Facebook, falsely
implying that she said every German should learn Turkish.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
You never said that. I never said that.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
And this harms my reputation because people say, I think
she's a bit crazy.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
How can she say that, I've kun asked.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
A forty year politician says she began receiving threats and
hate filed comments from anonymous users online.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Believe, oh, poor little baby, do you want me to
show you my text line?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Now?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
At least I got the phone numbers. I get to
trace them if I really wanted to do you want
to see some of my emails?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Do you? Oh? Yeah, because I get criticized all the time.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Adventure a life in politics.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
What was different about what took place online?
Speaker 6 (24:33):
The first point was it was much more personal.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
You're looking so ugly.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
You she is kind of ugly when I think about it.
But they got really personal.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
They said I was ugly, that I wore ugly clothes,
and I didn't dress well, that you know whatever, my
hair looked bad.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
This is how this is off the deep end they've gone. Now.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I want to fast forward a little bit because I
I want you to. We'll get down to like the
last couple of minutes, because it's all the same stuff
so far.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
But what I want you to hear is their conclusion.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
The European Union implemented a new law that requires social
media companies to stop the spread of harmful content online
in Europe or face millions of dollars in fines day.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
But josephine ballone of Hate Aid, says.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
You remember the name that NGO hate Aid.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Social media companies are still not complying with the new law.
Speaker 13 (25:34):
I would love social media companies to be a safer
place than they are right now. But what we see
is that their content moderation is not comprehensive. Sometimes it
seems to be working well in some areas, but in
many areas it's it's just not.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
The European Commission is currently investigating whether Elon Musk social
media company X has breached the e YOU Digital Content law. Musk,
who has been criticized for using X to promote Germany's
far right party ahead of next week's elections.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Oh oh, so he's trying to influence an election. He's
expressing his opinion about the AfD.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
All right accuse the EU of censorship and hating democracy,
but in Lower Saxony prosecutors argue they are protecting democracy
and discourse by introducing a touch of German order to
the unruly world wide web. If you're doing all this work,
you're launching all these investigations, you're finding people. Sometimes putting
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them in jail doesn't make a difference. If it's a
world wide web and there's a lot of hate out there, I.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Would say yes, because what's the The option is to
say we don't do anything. Well, we are we prosecutors.
If we see a crime, we want to investigate gate it.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
It's a lot of work.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
And there are also borders. It's not an area without law.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Oh there are borders. Huh. I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Okay, so you know what I would do if I
were Musk. I don't know how technically you would do this.
I just wouldn't allow anybody with a German of course,
I know people use VPNs, but I just wouldn't allow
anybody with a German IP address to access X. I
just i'd play their game. Okay, Well, you want to censor,
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I'll sensor X in Germany or all the all of
the EU. You want to shut it down, I'll shut
it down. He doesn't care. But now we've reached the
end of the story. Did you hear from sixty minutes?
We now spend an hour on the story. Did you
hear anything that gave you a dissenting point of view?
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Did the once premiere American media giant CBS News Edward R. Murrow,
Walter Cronkite sixty minutes, Mike Wallace? Did you ever hear
a descent? Did you ever hear a different point of view?
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CBS News taking usaid money. CBS News, many of.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Whom are.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Actually CIA personnel, are now propagandizing you into believing that, oh,
we should do something similar in this country. This is
the GOODBAL using their platform, their FCC highly regulated airwaves,
the public airwaves, to propagandize you into believing that, you know,
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I'm really tired of all the screaming and the hate
and the you know, the disagreement, and why can't we
all just Rodney King, can't we all just get along here?
We need something like that in this country. That's what
CBS is trying to accomplish. That was the entire purpose
of that conversation. That was a thirteen minute segment, So
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they used the entirety of one segment at the beginning
of the program to expose you to the idea that
we ought to start censoring online opinions that insult you. Okay,
I'll bite. I get insulted all the time. I want
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you to go to jail for it. I want you
to get fined for it. I want them to seize
your iPad and your iPhone, your Android. I want to
seize I want them to seize all your devices. I
want the government to start deciding what is hateful and
not hateful, what is insulting and not insulting, because then
I don't want to worry about it. I just want
the government to take it over for me. And in fact,
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you know what, while the government's taking over that, well,
don't they just go on because there are certain groups
of people that are just troublesome in this country, and
so why don't we just crow them up and stick them.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
In a ghetto somewhere.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Yeah, and we'll do it under the guys's free speech,
because that's obviously what the Nazis did, right right, Oh
you didn't know that, Well, Margaret Brennan will give you
that history lesson next.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Hey, Mike, I might be new here, but did I
get this right?
Speaker 11 (30:30):
In Germany they're going after a hate speech people online,
but they yet couldn't capture the guy that plowed through
a bunch of people in Munich.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Yeah, you got it, You got it. Go sometime and
do an online search of the religious background of mayors
of major European cities London, Paris, go go through and
look at the Islamis are taking over Europe.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Europe is dead there and what's happening here is that
And with.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
The disclosure of everything that now, maybe this week I'll
dig into that a little deeper about everything that usaid
was funding through different NGOs that then pass that money
on to like CBS News or here in Denver Westward,
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where they're actually funding news outlets, so those news outlets
can propagandize us with the bull crap like we just
heard them doing sixty minutes about oh my gosh, look
what Germany's doing.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Why can't we do something like that?
Speaker 4 (31:58):
That comes on the same day that Marco Rubio appeared
on CBS's Face to the Nation with Margaret Brennan, who
happens to be truly the dumbest host of the Sunday
news shows, and other than Tim Russer, they've all really
been a lot of dummies, with maybe the exception of
Shannon Breen over on Fox News and Maria Barbaromo, the
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rest of them are really pretty stupid.
Speaker 14 (32:27):
Well, he was standing in a country where free speech
was weaponized to kentuckt a genocide.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Did you know that.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
The Nazis used free speech to weaponize the Holocaust? I
guess that must have been buried in a paragraph in
the history book that throughout high school, college and even
into my adulthood that I missed somewhere.
Speaker 14 (32:54):
He was standing in a country where free speech was weaponized.
To kentuckt a genocide, and he met with the head
of a political party that has far right views and
some historic ties to extreme groups. The context of that was,
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and you know that that the.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Center disagree with you, specifically about the right. Now I
have to disagree with you. The free speech was not
used to conduct the genocide. The genocide was conducted by
an authoritarian Nazi regime that happened to also be genocidal
because they hated Jews, and they hated minorities, and they
hated those that they had a list of people they hated,
but primarily the Jews. There was no free speech in
Nazi Germany.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
There was none.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
There was also no opposition in Nazi Germany. They were
a sole and only party that governed that country. So
that's not an accurate reflection of history.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
And what he just said is what sixty minutes ignores
that's so important to.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Listen to, is there was no free speech.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Enough. There was no free speech in Nazi Germany.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
See Germany, there was none. There was also no opposition
in Nazi Germany, and there.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Was no opposition.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
That's what they're opposed now because the AfD is rising
up against all the stupid things that's going on in
Germany right now, and that's what they're opposed to, that's
what they're fighting. Marco Rubio just hands.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Her her as Gennicide was conducted by an authoritarian Nazi
regime that happened to also be genocidal because they hated Jews,
and they hated minorities, and they hated those that they
had a list of people they hated, but primarily the Jews.
There was no free speech in Nazi Germany.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
There was none.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
There was also no opposition in Nazi Germany. They were
a sole and only party that governed that country. So
that's not an accurate reflection of history.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Bam, Margaret, don't play with the big boys.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
No, the big boys know what they're doing. Baby, you
ought to sit in the show.
Well, Michael, you know what they always say, history repeats itself.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Germany is going back to their old Nazi tactics in
our country.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
In the big media, I thinks it's okay.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
You're in trouble, you are not dailings.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Yeah, well, come and prosecute me. Here's why this is
so important because to the first talk back point, not
only is Germany going backwards, but we have an American
media outlet, a formally revered outlet, sixty minutes pushing this
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all in the name of civility. Now, I want you
to think about if history doesn't it indeed does repeat itself.
At the same time that we're reversing course and that
we're trying to get off this progressive highway way, Germany's
going right back to fascism. They're going right back to
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well Germany not necessarily Stazi's not necessarily Germans were going
right back to the Stasi kind of you know, watching
other people's lives, turning other people in. But it's not
just Germany, it's throughout the entirety of the continent, including
the United Kingdom, England and Scotland. I don't really know
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about Ireland, but certainly Scotland and England are doing it
now as they go, and they continue down that path
if they really become an Islamist continent, where does that
leave us? What's between us and the old Soviet Union,
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what's between us and the Iranians, what's between us and
Chinese Communist Party? You see, the rest of the world
is moving in darkness. The rest of the world is
moving into the darkness, while we have finally with this
last election, started to pull ourselves out of it. We
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need to care about this, which is why JD Vance's
speech to the Munich Security Conference was so damn important
and why the media here tried to ignore it.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
As much as possible.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
And I shouldn't say the media of the Cabal because
plenty of other outlets covered it almost add nausea.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
They continue a symbolism ASWASAKA denied the Holocaust.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
That's that's clear?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
All?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
That's clear?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Now?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
You can debate that till the cows come home. But
from my point of view, outlawing Nazi symbols and I
understand that they are. What they're trying to do is
they're trying to prevent the rise of fascism. They're trying
to prevent the rise of Nazism by outlawing those symbols, outlawing,
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outlawing a denial of the Holocaust, which when you think
about it, is actually kind of what Nazism was doing.
So you're going to outlaw any of the symbols, and
then you're going to outlaw any denial of what took place.
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So you're, in essence, replicating what the nationalists socialists were
doing in their own country. And now you're repeating it
again all in saye by saying because we don't want
to repeat it, by and by saying you're not repeating it,
you're actually repeating it. It's insanity, it's utter insanity. But
I want you to listen to these goobers. I apologize
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they're not good. I want you to listen to these
a holes. These prosecutors, they absolutely both in their appearance,
their demeanor, their mannerisms, their speech, personify exactly the kind
of bureaucrats that I saw all throughout the belt Weigh
and around here for that matter.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
That do you want them.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Determining whether or not you're going to be prosecuted for
something you thought said or wrote tine.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
To insult somebody in public. Yeses, and it's a crime
to insult them online as well.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yes, yes, fine, of course it's a crime to insult
someone in public, and it's a crime to insult.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
To insult someone.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
Hey, Michael Dragon, before you.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Even started me just to beye, because I know what
you're gonna do. You're the ugliest. I think I've seen it.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (04:49):
Oh I was going to stick off with the ugliness.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Okay, well you.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Come up with something else.
Speaker 7 (04:55):
The two of us, you win hands down.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
No, you're the ugly, so ob at least I had
least at least I got advanced hair. You have hair,
so of course the problem is you you're missing so
much hair, and it looks so horrible that you couldn't
I mean that doctor Pauls could retire just doing your head.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Would she couldn't find enough elsewhere. You got to have
some hair somewhere, unless you just want peepy care all
over your head. I mean, I suppose that's what you want,
which makes you a richard head. Okay, come on, prosecutors,
come and get us.
Speaker 8 (05:36):
We would even higher if you insign someone in the Internet,
because in Internet it stays there. If we are talking,
you face to face, you unsut me and sold you.
Speaker 7 (05:47):
Okay, finish, but if you.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
See, if I do it in person, it's you know,
you say it, I say something back.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
That's done.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
It's over with, except you can still get prosecuted for it.
He kind of glosses over that you could still if
drag in Germany, if Dragon offends me, I can go
and say, you know what, In fact, you know Kelly
or somebody who's around, and I've got a couple of.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
Witnesses, witness h Kelly's my witness.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Okay, see somebody somebody heard it, somebody's somewhere. So I've
got enough witnesses, so I'll get you prosecuted.
Speaker 8 (06:18):
Jennet, I finds out you or a politician that.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Sticks around forever. Yeah, the prosecutors explained.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
German law also prohibits the spread of malicious gossip, violent.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
Threats, and fake quotes. If somebody posts something that's not
true and then somebody.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Else reposts it or likes it, are they committing a crime?
Speaker 9 (06:40):
In the case of reposting it as a crime as well,
because the reader that can't distinguished whether you just invented
this or just reposted it, that's the same for us.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
See, if you repost something, then whoever reads that doesn't
know if you wrote it originally or someone else did it,
So you're as guilty as the original poster by reposting
something that is false. Hmm okay, what if I happen
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to believe it? Or what if I'm commenting on the falsehood.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Punishment for breaking hate speech laws can include jail time
for repeat offenders, but in most cases a judge Levy's
a stiff mine and sometimes keeps their devices.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
How do people.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
React when you take their phones from them?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Righten? Raise is a good point. What if you think
it's satire? Doesn't matter?
Speaker 7 (07:38):
Yeah, what if Kelly, who heard our interaction reposted that
conversation because she thought it was funny. So now she's
in trouble. She is because she thought something was fun.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
You can't do And the point is you can't do satire. Oh,
you can't do satire.
Speaker 10 (07:58):
It's the kind of punishment if you do this motophone,
it's even less than to find you have to pick Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
There's your whole life is typically on your phone now.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
The application of Germany's decades old speech laws to the
online world was accelerated after an assassination fueled by the Internet,
said shockwaves through the country.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
So you're gonna hear a story about a politician that
gets assassinated. And because people came after him, they didn't
like him. They said bad things about him, they said
ugly things about him.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But I want you to.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Pay attention to one little fact toy that I found
kind of interesting because when I think about a causal link,
you know, a causes.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
B In twenty fifteen, a video of a local politician
named Walter Lubka went viral after he defended then Chancellor
Angela Merkel's progressive immigration policy.
Speaker 9 (08:52):
People it was a very right plitico both view, they
started and hating him on the internet to day.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
They started hating him hate in two fifteen. They started
hating him because he criticized Angela Merkel's immigration policies.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Okay, got it inserting him. So they started.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
In hating him and they insulted.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Him to incite people to kill him.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
And that one they implied for people to kill him.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
On for about four years.
Speaker 11 (09:26):
Four years, four years line, yes, until in twenty nineteen,
so four years after he gave that speech, he was
shot in.
Speaker 9 (09:37):
His head and instantly that so that was one of
the cases where we see that online hate can sometimes
find a way into real life and then hurt people.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
You know what, Again, an inquiring journalist like at sixty
minutes would say, well, what was the causal link the
person who was a Did they admit that it was
the speech that he read that caused him to go
assassinate the politician or did he share.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
The same views? And on his own.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
He decided because nobody else pulled the trigger except him,
he made the choice. And if we're talking about over
a four year period, anybody, you show me the person,
I'll find the crime.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
After a man with links to Neo Nazis was arrested,
Germany ramped up the creation of its online.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Hate task forces.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
There are sixteen units across the country, each with a
team of investigators. Frank Mihai l Lau, a career criminal prosecutor,
leads the lower Saxon units.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
How many cases are you working on at any time?
Speaker 10 (11:00):
Oh, you want to? We have about three thousand, five
hundred cases per year.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Nine investigators work out of this office in a converted
courthouse in MoU says they get hundreds of tips a
month from police watch dog groups and victims.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Watch dog groups, cops and victims, and then they sit
and they decide which ones cross some imaginary threshold. No standards,
no set bar, nothing, just I find it fascinating that
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someone that's not even involved in the dispute or the
hate speech can report it. I heard Dragon say something,
and okay, well then we'll go. Or I saw Dragon
post something. Let me bring it to your attention and okay,
well we'll look at it and then we will decide.
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So I suppose I'm going to assume for the time
being that they also themselves.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Go look for it.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
But they're turning citizen, whether those citizens are individuals or
members of NGOs or whatever, against themselves. Gee, that sounds
like the nationalists socialists.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
You must see a lot of crazy stuffs.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Yes, the worst of the Internet is wrapped in red
case folders, stuffed with pronounce of online flours, threats and hate.
Speaker 10 (12:35):
This is a criminal offensel. What does that say for flushlinger?
Speaker 5 (12:39):
So they're suggesting that the refugee children play in the
electrical wires.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Okay, So there's a photograph of what appears to be
an electrical substation and the caption in German, which I
don't understand. But what he says is, Oh, they're suggesting
that the children of illegal aliens go play in the substation.
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A horrible thing to say, protected by the First Amendment
in my opinion. And how do you show a causation?
Did any children actually go play and get electrocuted in
the substation?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
No? Would it make any difference you suggested.
Speaker 10 (13:22):
It in this case she was set to pay two
thousand and seven hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Well, it's another parking ticket, non a parking ticket.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
To build their cases, investigators scour social media and use
public and government data. Now says sometimes social media companies
will provide information to prosecutors, but not always.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Oh so, sometimes media companies, the press will provide information
to the prosecutors.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Oh so, the task force employees special software investigators to
help unmask anonymous users. This is suggesting you kill people
seeking asylum here. Laus says his unit has successfully prosecuted
about seven hundred and fifty hate speech cases over.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
The last four years.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
But it was a twenty twenty one case involving a
local politician named Andy Grote that captured the country's attention.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Now, this is a fairly young looks to be like
maybe's thirties or forties, a fairly popular local politician, and
they call him a pimol pimol p I M M EO.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Growth complained about a tweet that called him a pimmel,
a German word for the male anatomy.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
A German word for the male anatomy. They called him
a penis or probably a richard.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
At triggered a police raid and accusations of excessive censorship
by the government. As prosecutors explained to us, in Germany,
it's okay to debate politics online, but it can be
a crime to call anyone a pimple.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Dragging. You're such a pimble.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Even a politician.
Speaker 12 (15:11):
So it sounds like you're saying it's okay to criticize
a politician's policy, but not to say, yeah, I think
you're a jerking idiot exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah. Coman's like your son of a bitch.
Speaker 8 (15:25):
Excuse me for this words has nothing to do with
the political discussions.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I see. I found that fascinating.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
So he uses the phrase he would be like calling
somebody a son of a bitch. So he can say
that it's like calling somebody a son of a bitch.
But if he called somebody to their face the son
of a bitch, that turns into a crime. That turns
into a crime, dragging you son of a bitch. See
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but if I just say, you know, disguise, use the
term son of a bitch, that's not a crime.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Calling dragon would be for a conch ofu to a discussion.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Civility is more than a commandment. For Germans. Rules are gospel.
Even on a quiet street, the crosswalk signal is adhered
to with the devotion of a monk.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
But sony here they show, which is such German tradition.
Rule followers do what we're told. It's part of their
national DNA. They don't have revolutionaries like us. They're not.
They're like whatever, you know. I have friends who are
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from Germany. I have friends who have family in Germany,
and they're certainly not like this at all. But many
Germans are nothing but rule followers. I will do whatever
the government says. If you tell me to stand in
this box for the next eight hours, I'll stand in
a box. I won't dare cross a street that has
no cars on it anywhere to be seen, which is
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what they're showing. No traffic anywhere but the the little
guy is showing don't cross the street, so they just
stand stand there and only move when it turns green
and tells him across the street. They never make it
in New York and it Hell's bell. They wouldn't make
it around here.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
You're worried by policing the internet. Germany is backsliding the
criticism that you know, this feels that the surveillance that
Germany conducted eight years ago, how do you respond to
that there is no surveilance. Josephine Ballone is a CEO
of hay Day, a Berlin based human rights organization that
supports victims of online violence.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
In the United States.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
A lot of people online violence, Online violence a crime.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
I love you, buddy, that that will you see you?
You did the offending insult, and then you try to
gloss over it, trying to make it sound funny. But
in Germany that's not gonna fly.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
This is.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I guess the reason I want I spend so much
time on this because this is this is really important
to me, and I want it to be important to you.
Because we're on this pathway. You understand that, right we're
on this pathway because that's what hate crimes are about
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I I murder you because I hate you. Well, yeah,
it kind of goes without saying, doesn't it. Or I
hate I murder you in a heat of passion, but
it's a heat of passion because.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
You're black and I hate black people. So I'm gonna
murder you because you're black, or you're Asian, you're Hispanic
or your trans or your white. I mean, it's murder.
And now you're trying to impugne a value, a belief
on top of the crime. I mean, you're dead because
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I killed you. Does it really make any difference? And
I know everybody, Oh, well, what was the motive? We
gotta find we we gotta find the motive. Okay, well fine, but.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
The motive really doesn't ever well, very rarely has anything
to do with the committee of the crime. Maybe I
murdered you because oh it turns out that you've been
physically or sexually abusing me for decades. That might have
some impact on the defense, but it has nothing to
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do with the ultimate crime of murder of taking the
life of another person a homicide. Here, Germany wants to
criminalize your thoughts, your opinions, even if people disagree with
your opinions. And even worse than that, they want to
they want to criminal you insulting someone. And I forget
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who this reporter is, I don't care. On sixty minutes,
is enthralled by this.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Look at this and say this is restricting free speech.
It's a threat to democracy.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Free speech needs boundaries.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
And okay, let's take her at her word that free
speech needs a boundary. We've got a boundary in this country.
I can't use speech to incite violence, but to criminalize
that speech, I actually have to incite violence. Because I
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if I'm out there shouting about something, you know, and
people think I'm just some nutjob and it doesn't incite violence,
I might get arrested for a public disturbance, but I'm
not going to get arrested for violating the First Amendment
because I incited violence, because there is no violence. I
didn't incite any violence. Now, if my speech results in
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violence and there's a causal link between my speech and
the violence that occurs, now I've committed a crime. But otherwise,
see what they want to do is they want bottom
line is that they just they want to control what
you say, all in the name of civility, and as
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goes Germany, as goes most of Europe, and as goes Europe,
as goes most of the world. Right now, the Founding
Fathers were amazingly prescient in preserving the right of free
speech in this country and protecting that right of free
speech by the Second Amendment, which allows us as individuals
to keep in bear arms and that shall not be infringed.
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Germany doesn't have that either.
Speaker 13 (22:00):
In the case of Germany, these boundaries are part of
our constitution. Without boundaries, a very small group of people
can rely on endless freedom to say anything that they want,
while everyone else is scared and intimidated.
Speaker 12 (22:17):
In your fear is that if people are freely attacked.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
Online, that they'll withdraw from the discussion.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
This is not only a fear.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
We're fearful that if you're attacked online, you may withdraw
from the discussion. Oh okay, so now you're trying to
protect cowards or the people who aren't willing to stand
up for themselves. What obligation do you have to do
that by punishing somebody.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Else already taking place?
Speaker 13 (22:50):
Already half of the Internet users in Germany are afraid
to express their political opinion.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Now think about the inconsistency. More than half of people
in Germany are afraid to express their political opinion. So
we're going to politician criminalize those who express a political
opinion that we think intimidates other people's political opinion. So
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you're actually encouraging the discouragement of expressing political opinions. It's
such a circular circle, you know what, that they're engaged.
Speaker 13 (23:31):
In here, and they rarely participate in public debates online anymore.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Half of the internet users vision hate speech moot but not.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Kunas is a prominent German politician. In twenty fifteen, this
meme of the Green Party member appeared on Facebook, falsely
implying that she said every German should learn Turkish.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
You never said that. I never said that.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
And this harms my reputation because people say, I think
she's a bit crazy.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
How can she say that, I've kun asked.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
A forty year politician says she began receiving threats and
hate filed comments from anonymous users online.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Believe, oh, poor little baby, do you want me to
show you my text line?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Now?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
At least I got the phone numbers. I get to
trace them if I really wanted to do you want
to see some of my emails?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Do you? Oh? Yeah, because I get criticized all the time.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Adventure a life in politics.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
What was different about what took place online?
Speaker 6 (24:33):
The first point was it was much more personal.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
You're looking so ugly.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
You she is kind of ugly when I think about it.
But they got really personal.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
They said I was ugly, that I wore ugly clothes,
and I didn't dress well, that you know whatever, my
hair looked bad.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
This is how this is off the deep end they've gone. Now.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I want to fast forward a little bit because I
I want you to. We'll get down to like the
last couple of minutes, because it's all the same stuff
so far.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
But what I want you to hear is their conclusion.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
The European Union implemented a new law that requires social
media companies to stop the spread of harmful content online
in Europe or face millions of dollars in fines day.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
But josephine ballone of Hate Aid, says.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
You remember the name that NGO hate Aid.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Social media companies are still not complying with the new law.
Speaker 13 (25:34):
I would love social media companies to be a safer
place than they are right now. But what we see
is that their content moderation is not comprehensive. Sometimes it
seems to be working well in some areas, but in
many areas it's it's just not.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
The European Commission is currently investigating whether Elon Musk social
media company X has breached the e YOU Digital Content law. Musk,
who has been criticized for using X to promote Germany's
far right party ahead of next week's elections.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Oh oh, so he's trying to influence an election. He's
expressing his opinion about the AfD.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
All right accuse the EU of censorship and hating democracy,
but in Lower Saxony prosecutors argue they are protecting democracy
and discourse by introducing a touch of German order to
the unruly world wide web. If you're doing all this work,
you're launching all these investigations, you're finding people. Sometimes putting
(26:42):
them in jail doesn't make a difference. If it's a
world wide web and there's a lot of hate out there, I.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Would say yes, because what's the The option is to
say we don't do anything. Well, we are we prosecutors.
If we see a crime, we want to investigate gate it.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
It's a lot of work.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
And there are also borders. It's not an area without law.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Oh there are borders. Huh. I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Okay, so you know what I would do if I
were Musk. I don't know how technically you would do this.
I just wouldn't allow anybody with a German of course,
I know people use VPNs, but I just wouldn't allow
anybody with a German IP address to access X. I
just i'd play their game. Okay, Well, you want to censor,
(27:33):
I'll sensor X in Germany or all the all of
the EU. You want to shut it down, I'll shut
it down. He doesn't care. But now we've reached the
end of the story. Did you hear from sixty minutes?
We now spend an hour on the story. Did you
hear anything that gave you a dissenting point of view?
(27:57):
Did the once premiere American media giant CBS News Edward R. Murrow,
Walter Cronkite sixty minutes, Mike Wallace? Did you ever hear
a descent? Did you ever hear a different point of view?
(28:19):
CBS News taking usaid money. CBS News, many of.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Whom are.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Actually CIA personnel, are now propagandizing you into believing that, oh,
we should do something similar in this country. This is
the GOODBAL using their platform, their FCC highly regulated airwaves,
the public airwaves, to propagandize you into believing that, you know,
(28:54):
I'm really tired of all the screaming and the hate
and the you know, the disagreement, and why can't we
all just Rodney King, can't we all just get along here?
We need something like that in this country. That's what
CBS is trying to accomplish. That was the entire purpose
of that conversation. That was a thirteen minute segment, So
(29:19):
they used the entirety of one segment at the beginning
of the program to expose you to the idea that
we ought to start censoring online opinions that insult you. Okay,
I'll bite. I get insulted all the time. I want
(29:40):
you to go to jail for it. I want you
to get fined for it. I want them to seize
your iPad and your iPhone, your Android. I want to
seize I want them to seize all your devices. I
want the government to start deciding what is hateful and
not hateful, what is insulting and not insulting, because then
I don't want to worry about it. I just want
the government to take it over for me. And in fact,
(30:01):
you know what, while the government's taking over that, well,
don't they just go on because there are certain groups
of people that are just troublesome in this country, and
so why don't we just crow them up and stick them.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
In a ghetto somewhere.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Yeah, and we'll do it under the guys's free speech,
because that's obviously what the Nazis did, right right, Oh
you didn't know that, Well, Margaret Brennan will give you
that history lesson next.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Hey, Mike, I might be new here, but did I
get this right?
Speaker 11 (30:30):
In Germany they're going after a hate speech people online,
but they yet couldn't capture the guy that plowed through
a bunch of people in Munich.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Yeah, you got it, You got it. Go sometime and
do an online search of the religious background of mayors
of major European cities London, Paris, go go through and
look at the Islamis are taking over Europe.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Europe is dead there and what's happening here is that
And with.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
The disclosure of everything that now, maybe this week I'll
dig into that a little deeper about everything that usaid
was funding through different NGOs that then pass that money
on to like CBS News or here in Denver Westward,
(31:41):
where they're actually funding news outlets, so those news outlets
can propagandize us with the bull crap like we just
heard them doing sixty minutes about oh my gosh, look
what Germany's doing.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Why can't we do something like that?
Speaker 4 (31:58):
That comes on the same day that Marco Rubio appeared
on CBS's Face to the Nation with Margaret Brennan, who
happens to be truly the dumbest host of the Sunday
news shows, and other than Tim Russer, they've all really
been a lot of dummies, with maybe the exception of
Shannon Breen over on Fox News and Maria Barbaromo, the
(32:24):
rest of them are really pretty stupid.
Speaker 14 (32:27):
Well, he was standing in a country where free speech
was weaponized to kentuckt a genocide.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Did you know that.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
The Nazis used free speech to weaponize the Holocaust? I
guess that must have been buried in a paragraph in
the history book that throughout high school, college and even
into my adulthood that I missed somewhere.
Speaker 14 (32:54):
He was standing in a country where free speech was weaponized.
To kentuckt a genocide, and he met with the head
of a political party that has far right views and
some historic ties to extreme groups. The context of that was,
(33:16):
and you know that that the.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Center disagree with you, specifically about the right. Now I
have to disagree with you. The free speech was not
used to conduct the genocide. The genocide was conducted by
an authoritarian Nazi regime that happened to also be genocidal
because they hated Jews, and they hated minorities, and they
hated those that they had a list of people they hated,
but primarily the Jews. There was no free speech in
Nazi Germany.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
There was none.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
There was also no opposition in Nazi Germany. They were
a sole and only party that governed that country. So
that's not an accurate reflection of history.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
And what he just said is what sixty minutes ignores
that's so important to.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Listen to, is there was no free speech.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Enough. There was no free speech in Nazi Germany.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
See Germany, there was none. There was also no opposition
in Nazi Germany, and there.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Was no opposition.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
That's what they're opposed now because the AfD is rising
up against all the stupid things that's going on in
Germany right now, and that's what they're opposed to, that's
what they're fighting. Marco Rubio just hands.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Her her as Gennicide was conducted by an authoritarian Nazi
regime that happened to also be genocidal because they hated Jews,
and they hated minorities, and they hated those that they
had a list of people they hated, but primarily the Jews.
There was no free speech in Nazi Germany.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
There was none.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
There was also no opposition in Nazi Germany. They were
a sole and only party that governed that country. So
that's not an accurate reflection of history.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Bam, Margaret, don't play with the big boys.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
No, the big boys know what they're doing. Baby, you
ought to sit in the show.
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