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Speaker 1 (00:00):
About Shaloon. This is you.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Know why I think Democrats has stand up for tej
because she's back.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
They're obviously racist, that's in my opinion. I have a
good weekend. And I heard the kid is Jew too,
so he's a black Jew and he might be gay,
he might be a Republican. What else could he be?
We did? We did? We need another vertical to slight
him into any And he's underage, so you know they're
(00:32):
they're they're afraid of, you know, engaging with any you know,
children or anything. So good grief. What a bizarre group
of people. Dragon. If we had any like Isser commercials
or anything recently on the air, have you.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Heard any, It's a possibility, but I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I haven't heard any. So I've heard something about At
first I thought it was ice cream, because you know,
Japanese have this really great ice cream called Mochi ice cream.
And I've heard some spot for some Mochi pill or
Mochi medical something. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I thought it might have been a health app.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
We don't pay attention to the commercials because we got
work to do.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
We have things to do. But the if you talk
to anyone who's never been to this country and they
they come here and you sit down in your living
room and they want to watch a little bit of
American television or they want to watch a little bit
of American news.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well, now that I think of it, that we do
have that GA commercial going on right now?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
The oh yeah, and what is that?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
It's for some eye syndrome to where straight lines seem wavy.
Because Henry Winkler talks about it, the funds.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Oh yeah, some age related macular degeneration. Exactly. Yeah, okay,
all right, got it, got it? See you kind of
remember something about it. Yeah, but if you brought if
you brought up you brought a furriner over here and said,
sit down, we're gonna watch the news, and we're gonna
watch some we're gonna watch some sitcoms or whatever the
hell you're gonna watch, or we're gonna listen to that
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damn you know, situation with Michael Brown or the Weekend
of Michael Brown. And you start hearing all these commercials
and you think about some of them. I should have
thought about playing one, but I don't want to give
them any airtime. Uh, Phiser, you know, brought to you
by Phizer, and then they got I mean, when you
think about every stupid thing that is advertised in terms
(02:34):
of pharmaceuticals, you think, holy crap, we are a sick country.
But forget about that. Have you ever thought about why
are they direct marketing a either controlled substance in some
cases they're controlled substances, or they're just medications for maladies, ailments,
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disease as, illnesses, whatever that your doctor should know about.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I always had fun with the restless legs syndrome. One yes,
because I don't suffer from it, so I don't know
if it's really that bad of a thing, but it
really feels like it's a designer pill for made up
And I'm using air quotes here and I'm not saying that,
you know, restless legs syndrome isn't a painful thing or
isn't a real thing, but it's like we're finding things
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to make pills for that aren't really problems.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, I think that now. I will say at one
time Tamra did have restless leg syndrome because well, she
had it early in her in our marriage. Because I
remember many times waking up thinking what the hell's going
on over there? And I realized it was her legs shaking,
and so she did take some medication for a while,
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but it kind of went away, and she I think
occasionally she may have a bad of it or whatever.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
But it just seems like that some things are quote
unquote made up.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You're right, And then the way it's presented is like
I saw an interview of the of the somewhat overweight
plump woman that does the of the somewhat overweight plump
woman that does the Jardiance dance and commercial, and they
were interviewing her about how people up in the cause
it's it's a truly obnoxious commercial about you know, they
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do this little dance and it's the little pill that
does all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Guys me crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
My other problem is that when you go to the
doctor and you ask about said pill and they go,
I've never heard of that.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, well there was a.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Commercial two minutes ago and they're like, I know nothing. Well,
I know, I'm not sure if I should be scared
of the dog.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Where I have where I have asked, just because I'm
an a hole where I'll go to one of my doctors,
and I'll say, Hey, I saw this pill for X,
whatever X might be. What do you know about it?
And I get the opposite response, You're not getting anywhere
near that, not because not because I don't need it,
which is obviously the case, but because he's read about it.
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And he's like, no, I don't think so. I looked
at the clinical trials I read about that. You're not
getting anywhere near that. Well, go back to the furriner
that you bring here and you watch set them down
to watch a little TV, and they are shocked. They're
shocked by the direct to consumer pharmaceutical advertising. That's what
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we're talking about. I know it's a little off the wall,
but I'm fascinated by this, and I'll tell you why,
because I have a love hate relationship with those commercials.
On the one hand, I want the banned. On the
other hand, I'm like, but wait a minute, that's free speech.
They're buying airtime. What would I do if I don't
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know that? Have I ever have we ever had a
sponsor dragon that was a farm. I don't think we
ever had a pharmaceutic, a pharmaceutical.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
We have had doctors, but not a.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I've had right, and I've had medical treatments. Uh, but
I don't think i've ever In fact, I've told many
times I've been asked to, uh, if a company can
sponsor the program that is a supplement, one of those
where if you read the fine line, it says, these
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statements have not been approved by the FDA. This product
is not designed to cure or prevent any disease. Those
kinds of supplements, I've steadfastly refused to endorse those. Now
I am a whore. So depending on what you might
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offer me in terms of compensation to endorse it, I
might do that. I probably would not because that destroys
my credibility and I wouldn't do it well. So I
don't know how you feel about banning them. But guess
what's happening. There's a push. Excuse me for sniffling. I
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need a supplement of some sort of dragon. There's a
push in Oklahoma and Connecticut. Now you couldn't get two
more disparate states than Oklahoma and Connecticut a solidly. Oklahoma
has seventy seven counties. They all went Trump on November five. Connecticut, well,
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Connecticu's Connecticut. You got Chris Murphy you got the Democrats,
You've got Yale, you've got Well, it's just a blue state.
They're taking a state level approach to ban direct to
consumer pharmaceutical advertising. Now, there is a bill that's been
introduced at the federal level to limit drug ads. Now,
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drug ads, It doesn't complete outright ban them, but an
Oklahoma Republican senator by the name of Dusty Devers has
proposed a bill that would prohibit drug ads on radio
and other media in Oklahoma. This state senator says that
pharmaceutical ads have led to a to a culture in
which commercials can end up influencing health care decisions and
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then puts pressure on doctors to prescribe certain advertised medications.
In one story I read, he says this the dangers
of direct to consumer pharmaceutical advertising have been well documented
in multiple public health crises. He goes on says that
his legislation will ensure that medical decisions are merit based
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and free from emotionally manipulative, multi million dollar marketing campaigns.
It's Senate Bill seven to seven to one in Oklahoma,
if you want to follow. It explicitly bars advertisements for
prescription drugs via radio, television, print or digital publications, online
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streaming services, billboards, email, text messaging, or targeting any Oklahoma
resident with prescription drug ads through digital or social media platforms.
Every instance of a prohibited advertisement would constitute a separate offense,
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and violators would be guilty of a felony punishable by
a fine of up to five hundred thousand dollars and
five years in prison. I'd say this senator is pretty
damn serious about getting rid of these damn ads. Now,
the bill would still allow ads for uh that are
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related to public health campaigns, as long as they don't
promote a specific pharmaceutical product like you know, a you know,
the President's Council and physical fitness get off your ass
and go exercise kind of thing, add related to insurance
coverage for prescription drugs, or adds that promote clinical trials
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or research. Hey, we're doing a trial or we're doing
some we're doing a clinical trial, and if you suffer
from X, there's a clinical trial. You know, go to
this website or call this number to see if you qualify.
If you'd like to participate in the clinical trial, that
would be permitted. Now, Oklahoma's not the only one doing this.
As I said a state rep in Connecticut by the
name of Dave r. You know, I can't pronounce stuff.
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Rudy Gigliano, Rudy Gilo. Could I have an order of
Rudy Gillano, please? Yes, with a little patta on the side.
Uh told the Hartford Business Journal that his proposal is
just trying and start a conversation. What a you know,
the guy in Oklahoma's like, Bam, bam, we're going to
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outlaw this. It's a felony. You know, it's going to
be a five hundred thousand dollars five five years in prison.
But the Democrat just wants to start a conversation, even
as the effort to ban the ads is actually going
on in Washington. He says, the beauty of his system
is that we get to raise a concept that's not
fully vetted, which this one isn't, and just have a conversation.
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Isn't that so Democrat? Now, the state efforts might actually
motivate lawmakers in Congress to act, because Angus King of
Independent Haha, I mean really, a Democrat in Maine has
reintroduced bills to limit pharmaceutical advertising. His bill would prohibit
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direct to consumer advertising of a new drug in the
first three years after it gets FDA approval. The FDA
could then on their own waive the third year of
the prohibition if it determines there's enough value to public health,
or it could even extend a prohibition if the drug
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has significant adverse health effects. Now when I read that,
I laughed myself, because we're now learning that the COVID shot,
the stars CoV two shot not it's called the vaccine,
but it's not a vaccine. That they're finding the spike
protein in humans years after they've taken that shot. In
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other words, you're walking around with that covid protein spike
still in your body from the shot, not from having
the COVID. King says his bill, I love this. This
is so democrat would protect people over profits by limiting
a flood of misleading ads that drive up costs. He's
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quoted as saying, this bill is a great step to
ensure that patients are getting the best information possible. We
can start by making sure newly approved drugs aren't allowed
to immediately flood the market with promotional ads before we
fully understand the impact on the general public. And he's
done this before. Now what's happening in the administrative state.
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New FDA rules took effect in November, requiring the pharmaceutical
ads on radio and TV clearly state the name of
the drug listed side effects in a clear, conspicuous and
neutral manner. Now you know that oftentimes they'll speed up
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the voice and run through the side effects, which always
include with the ultimate side effect is which you die.
So they've adopted these new standards, and then they did
a review scissors Room for Improvement. They released a review
of five drug ads that aired on radio found that
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two violated the existing fair balance regulations and also also
violated the rules that side effect disclosures need to be
clear and conspicuous. So my question to you is, before
I tell you another part of this story is what's
your take on this? The text line is three three
one zero three keywords Mike or Michael do you favor? Because,
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as I said, I hate these ads and I want
them off the air. The lawyer of me says, but
they're exercising the right of free speech. And then I
argue with myself and I say, but wait a minute.
Television radio are highly regulated industries, so they already have
government control over them. And is there really free speech?
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For example, do I really have free speech on radio?
Because you're my favorite word is well, you know what,
and I.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Can't say that you have free speech once?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, that's you're right, right, You're right, I've free speech once,
which is why we have a dump button, because let's
just say that, Well, it's early in the year. I
think he's I think you have had to use the
dumb button once. Correct, not because of what I said, correct,
but because of an audio I was playing that I forgot.
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I missed that. There was a too. It was the
big one. It was the big one. Totally missed it.
But what's funny is I had listened to the audio
before totally missed it, even though it was the big one.
It was a gigantic f bomb. I don't know how
I missed it. And I looked up at Dragon, who
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was looking at me and already had already reached and
hit the dump button because I was just looking to see, hey,
did you catch that. Of course he caught it, because
he's not paying attention except his ears. As a producer forever,
particularly on the third floor, is accustomed to listening for
those kinds of sounds, so that he can immediately dump its.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, we producers really only hear those seven words.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
That's all you do here. You don't hear squad about
what we say. You only hear those seven words and
then boom, you dump them. So are you four or
against the banning of these ads? Now? Listen to this.
This comes from one of our trade publications. Because I
started digging into this, I won't tell you, but one
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of our trade publications writes this medium. Monitors says nearly
forty four thousand prescription drug ads aired last week on
radio stations that it tracks, demonstrating the radio remains an
attractive outlook for pharmaceutical companies. One reason is how well
it works. Cumuless Media Westwood One didn't say anything about iHeart.
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Last year, we released the results of seven brand tracking
studies conducted among adults eighteen plus and found that AMFM
radio can do a better job reaching users of pharmaceuticals
and TV. Here are a whole a bunch of drug us.
So if I tell you you need to use Jardians
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so you don't dance around like that fatass woman on
the Jardians commercial, can you take it?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
So?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
What would you think if I started doing drug ads.
You want to ban them or not ban them. I
think I fall on the side of banning them. It's
a highly regulated industry.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I'm gonna have to take your side on that and
say that pharmaceutical companies should not be advertising. You can't
advertise tobacco products, So what's the difference. If they can't
advertise those they have an adverse effect on health, why
are we doing pharmaceuticals. Have a nice day, enjoy your weekend.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
So let's see what the reaction is because I'm really curious.
Let's get over here. Text messages received, refresh and let's
see what you say. Ooh six zero eight five Michael,
this is a real life example of why I hate
the pharmaceutical ads. I am on one of the drugs advertised.
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You know, here's the other thing. I want to be
the guy who gets paid a bazillion dollars to come
up with the names. I've not heard of this one.
Vanity ev n ev e n it t y vanity.
I've been on it for one year. The cost build
to the doctor's office every holy crap, the cost build
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to the doctor's office every month is six thousand, six
hundred and thirty dollars per month now after insurance, I
don't pay that amount. If they weren't running ads for
this every hour, would it cost nearly that much? Absolutely ridiculous.
I mean I could look it up, but I'm busy
reading text messages. Could you tell me what avinity is? Four?
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I'm curious, uh sixty six ninety Mike, since you're talking
about commercials, iHeart app likes. You run Spanish language commercials,
which I promptly close.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
The app divinity is for osteoporosis.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Osteoporosis? Okay? Aventity? Holy crap? Sixty six hundred dollars per month? Now,
I'm also curious now of how much does your insurance pay?
So once you're out of pocket for a six thousand
six holy crap. Hang on, where's my little calculator? Come on,
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come on, come on, care calculator. Calculator, calculator six six
three zero times twelve eighty thousand, seventy nine thousand, five
hundred and sixty dollars a year for your osteoporosis. Now,
the other one thing I'd like to know is is
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it helping? How long you've been taking it? Is it helping?
Look listeners want to know you need you need six
zero eight five. You got to give us the details.
Here's the other thing I love about, and it's not
just the iHeart app. It's whatever podcast app you use
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to download podcasts. Do you know what geo fencing is?
Geo fencing is where? And it's not just iHeart any
any app can do this, and I should say every app,
Every app does this. If if I download a podcast
at home, then I'll get commercials occasionally all hear Kamenski,
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or I'll hear Dave Logan, ill hear I've heard myself.
But if I go to Scottsdale to see my daughter,
then suddenly I'm getting ads for places in Arizona. You know,
do you need an h You know it's hotter than
hell in Phoenix right now? Do you need an H
back company will call Bill's HVAC service on Scottsdale Road.
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You know he's got a special going on. So that's
geo fencing. That's how much info they can get based
on your location so they can target you with an
AD to help you. Sixty four to twenty one. Michael,
I hate the ads. I would love for them to
be banned. They seem to be part of the woke
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movement anyway. I wonder if you take any of these
drugs from the ads, do you automatically start acting where
by dancing around and floating through the sky, joining parades
as they go by, or simply have diarrhea for the
rest of your life. Those things all seem like side
effects to be says Sam in Ohio. Hi, Sam in Ohio, God, Sam,
What come on, Sam? You can think you take a drug.
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Is anybody in the audience that doesn't take any medication whatsoever?
Do you take any meds? Drug? Nothing, prescription? Nothing prescription correct?
All right, but you take vitamins or something correct?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, I'll take C and D and fish oil and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
All right? Good? Zero three ninety seven Mike, I'm also
convinced I'm fat and I need to lose weight with
these epics. Get these ads off the air. You know,
we're starting to learn about the side effects of ozimbic
and w goovi and all of those. Ooh, kind of scary.
Ninety seven ninety eight, says Mike. I'm completely forbanning the
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drug ads. I might feel different if we actually had
a media that did real investigations However, it is very
evident that the media is quite biased in promadical drugs. Well,
stop and think about this before I finish your text.
If you watch any of the networks, For example, one
of my programs, I know it's left leaning, but still
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one of my it's entertaining is CBS this Sunday Morning.
It is almost exclusively sponsored by Pfizer. You think about
how much money Phizer or any of the other major
pharmaceutical companies spend on television advertising, you would recognize that
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what's the impediment if we all, if we agree generically
generally speaking, to ban pharmaceutical ads, where do you think
the biggest opposition is going to come from? No, not
the pharmaceutical companies because they're making a s load of money. Anyway,
It's going to be iHeart, Cumulus, Westward, Westward, Westwood Odyssey,
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It's going to be all the smaller media companies. It's
going to be CBS, NBC, ABC, it's going to be Fox,
it's going to be CNN, it's going to be MSNBC.
Because I would imagine that pharmaceutical advertising accounts for a
majority of their ad revenue. That's that's how at it's
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like democrats overreaching, the pharmaceutical companies have finally overreached so
much so that we're getting legislation in disparate places like
Connecticut and Oklahoma that say, you know what, we're gonna,
We're gonna, we're gonna ban these And in Oklahoma they're really,
they're they're really, they're damn serious about it, making it
a felony. And every AD that runs that violates the
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law is a separate incident. So if you buy, you
buy a like typically you buy three months worth of ads.
X number rotation is you know, uh, five spots a
day for you know, they buy Monday through Friday. Maybe
it might buy some weekend too, and then three months.
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And you get caught running that for say a month,
five hundred thousand dollars a piece plus jail time probably
shut it down pretty quickly. Uh, but you go on
to say ninety seven eight. However, it is very evident
that the media is quite biased in pro medical drugs,
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primarily because they receive so much advertising for those companies.
They're not going to bite the hand that feeds them.
The mainstream media was pretty much ninety nine percent pro
covid JAB in twenty one and twenty two. Even now
with so much data out of the large number of
people suffering from one of the twelve hundred plus known
side effects of the COVID JAB, the mainstream media stelps
tells people to go get the jab.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Let's also not forget that a lot of these things
are being used off label. That ozenpic stuff for weight
loss was not designed for weight loss. That is a
side effect. Remember Fiagra, Viagra is a heart pill that
has a side effect. You know when during that twenty
twenty one this stuff that the text was talking about, Yeah,
we were told not to use the horse dew warmer
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because that's an off label drug.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Well, so are these? So are these? I think I'm
trying to think through. You know, my anti aging doctor
has me on although we've reduced it by half, I'm
probably on one, two, three, four, five prescription drugs other
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than my blood blood pressure medication. Four of those prescription
drugs are all off label for the anti aging effects.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
But just remember the big stink they gave about the
horse do you. I can't remember the name of it,
but it was just the horse doy worm or page.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Oh it was ivermectin.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, I remember not allowed to get that because doctors
are prescribing it off label.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Hmm, then we get we finally get to the real quickly.
Several of you mentioned cars for kids commercials should just
outright be banned forget free speech. Yes, I will literally
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turn down my radio, and because I'm so addicted to
the clock because of my job, I pretty much know
about what sixty seconds is and can turn it down,
kind of check the traffic, and then turn it back
up and go on to listening to what I was
listening to. I hate those little kids, I say ban them.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
And the reason I say that is because the money
they pump into the TV stations for the commercials, they
actually own the TV station. The TV station nowadays, what
they want, they carry their water. Maybe we'd get back
to real journalism.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Please, dragon, let's see what we can do the audience
real quickly. I can't. I can't. I can't even do that.
I I just wanted to, like, you know, be the
a hole cruel man. That is cruel.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
It's just cruel, especially on a Friday.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
So six o' eight five comes back and tells me
more about Avinity, and Tarma even mentioned that she's heard
of the drug. Yes, the aventity is for it's a
it's not just anti osteoporosis, it actually reverses it. So
six o' eight five says, yes, the aventity is doing
its job and increasing my bone density. I'm on the
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drug after seven of my vertebrae fractured. Not fun. After
insurance and other programs to help pay for expensive drugs,
I pay five hundred and fifty dollars a month for
a shot that cost sixty six hundred dollars a month.
I still hate the ads. They have to be paying
billions per year on these ads. Absolutely. Then six seven
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eight nine says that, speaking of high price prescriptions, my
mother in law is on a drug that is seventeen
thousand dollars a month for her cancers, which is stage four.
It's kept real law and in good health for over
five years. She gets a grant, pays nothing. Not sure
who the grant is from. I'm not saying that these
drugs are bad now. I do think some of them are,
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but not all drugs are bad. I don't think. Look,
I sincerely believe that pharmaceuticals in general have really advanced civilization.
They've made us live longer. They've allowed us to live longer,
they have cured diseases, they have stopped diseases like the Divinity.
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If it truly reverses the effects of osteoporosis, that's a
miracle drug. And I understand the costs of research and development.
The whole FDA approval process probably costs as much in
some cases as the R and D expenses were. And
then you add on that advertising. I guess the reason
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I fall on the side of banning the advertisements is
do I really need to go to my doctor and say, hey,
I saw this on TV. Because the other thing that
occurs is if you listen to the symptoms, we all
have all of the symptoms at any given moment. How
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many of you have ever We were in Yellowstone several
summers ago and there was a clinic and they had
a sign out front, you know the sign where you
can change the message, and it said we treat real
diseases or something. We're not doctor Google. How many of you,
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be honest, have had something Yeah, oh, a little twitch here,
a little pain here, I get a little itch over here,
and you've gone onto Google and you've searched for that symptom.
We completely screwed up the whole doctor patient relationship. And look,
I think you should be your advocate when you go
see your doctor. But the advocacy doesn't mean, hey, I
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heard about a drug, I think I got the symptom.
The doctor's gonna roll his eyes at you.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
M
About Shaloon. This is you.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Know why I think Democrats has stand up for tej
because she's back.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
They're obviously racist, that's in my opinion. I have a
good weekend. And I heard the kid is Jew too,
so he's a black Jew and he might be gay,
he might be a Republican. What else could he be?
We did? We did? We need another vertical to slight
him into any And he's underage, so you know they're
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they're they're afraid of, you know, engaging with any you know,
children or anything. So good grief. What a bizarre group
of people. Dragon. If we had any like Isser commercials
or anything recently on the air, have you.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Heard any, It's a possibility, but I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I haven't heard any. So I've heard something about At
first I thought it was ice cream, because you know,
Japanese have this really great ice cream called Mochi ice cream.
And I've heard some spot for some Mochi pill or
Mochi medical something. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I thought it might have been a health app.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
We don't pay attention to the commercials because we got
work to do.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
We have things to do. But the if you talk
to anyone who's never been to this country and they
they come here and you sit down in your living
room and they want to watch a little bit of
American television or they want to watch a little bit
of American news.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well, now that I think of it, that we do
have that GA commercial going on right now?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
The oh yeah, and what is that?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
It's for some eye syndrome to where straight lines seem wavy.
Because Henry Winkler talks about it, the funds.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Oh yeah, some age related macular degeneration. Exactly. Yeah, okay,
all right, got it, got it? See you kind of
remember something about it. Yeah, but if you brought if
you brought up you brought a furriner over here and said,
sit down, we're gonna watch the news, and we're gonna
watch some we're gonna watch some sitcoms or whatever the
hell you're gonna watch, or we're gonna listen to that
(02:10):
damn you know, situation with Michael Brown or the Weekend
of Michael Brown. And you start hearing all these commercials
and you think about some of them. I should have
thought about playing one, but I don't want to give
them any airtime. Uh, Phiser, you know, brought to you
by Phizer, and then they got I mean, when you
think about every stupid thing that is advertised in terms
(02:34):
of pharmaceuticals, you think, holy crap, we are a sick country.
But forget about that. Have you ever thought about why
are they direct marketing a either controlled substance in some
cases they're controlled substances, or they're just medications for maladies, ailments,
(02:59):
disease as, illnesses, whatever that your doctor should know about.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I always had fun with the restless legs syndrome. One yes,
because I don't suffer from it, so I don't know
if it's really that bad of a thing, but it
really feels like it's a designer pill for made up
And I'm using air quotes here and I'm not saying that,
you know, restless legs syndrome isn't a painful thing or
isn't a real thing, but it's like we're finding things
(03:27):
to make pills for that aren't really problems.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, I think that now. I will say at one
time Tamra did have restless leg syndrome because well, she
had it early in her in our marriage. Because I
remember many times waking up thinking what the hell's going
on over there? And I realized it was her legs shaking,
and so she did take some medication for a while,
(03:53):
but it kind of went away, and she I think
occasionally she may have a bad of it or whatever.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
But it just seems like that some things are quote
unquote made up.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You're right, And then the way it's presented is like
I saw an interview of the of the somewhat overweight
plump woman that does the of the somewhat overweight plump
woman that does the Jardiance dance and commercial, and they
were interviewing her about how people up in the cause
it's it's a truly obnoxious commercial about you know, they
(04:25):
do this little dance and it's the little pill that
does all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Guys me crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
My other problem is that when you go to the
doctor and you ask about said pill and they go,
I've never heard of that.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, well there was a.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Commercial two minutes ago and they're like, I know nothing. Well,
I know, I'm not sure if I should be scared
of the dog.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Where I have where I have asked, just because I'm
an a hole where I'll go to one of my doctors,
and I'll say, Hey, I saw this pill for X,
whatever X might be. What do you know about it?
And I get the opposite response, You're not getting anywhere
near that, not because not because I don't need it,
which is obviously the case, but because he's read about it.
(05:09):
And he's like, no, I don't think so. I looked
at the clinical trials I read about that. You're not
getting anywhere near that. Well, go back to the furriner
that you bring here and you watch set them down
to watch a little TV, and they are shocked. They're
shocked by the direct to consumer pharmaceutical advertising. That's what
(05:33):
we're talking about. I know it's a little off the wall,
but I'm fascinated by this, and I'll tell you why,
because I have a love hate relationship with those commercials.
On the one hand, I want the banned. On the
other hand, I'm like, but wait a minute, that's free speech.
They're buying airtime. What would I do if I don't
(05:55):
know that? Have I ever have we ever had a
sponsor dragon that was a farm. I don't think we
ever had a pharmaceutic, a pharmaceutical.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
We have had doctors, but not a.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I've had right, and I've had medical treatments. Uh, but
I don't think i've ever In fact, I've told many
times I've been asked to, uh, if a company can
sponsor the program that is a supplement, one of those
where if you read the fine line, it says, these
(06:27):
statements have not been approved by the FDA. This product
is not designed to cure or prevent any disease. Those
kinds of supplements, I've steadfastly refused to endorse those. Now
I am a whore. So depending on what you might
(06:48):
offer me in terms of compensation to endorse it, I
might do that. I probably would not because that destroys
my credibility and I wouldn't do it well. So I
don't know how you feel about banning them. But guess
what's happening. There's a push. Excuse me for sniffling. I
(07:10):
need a supplement of some sort of dragon. There's a
push in Oklahoma and Connecticut. Now you couldn't get two
more disparate states than Oklahoma and Connecticut a solidly. Oklahoma
has seventy seven counties. They all went Trump on November five. Connecticut, well,
(07:34):
Connecticu's Connecticut. You got Chris Murphy you got the Democrats,
You've got Yale, you've got Well, it's just a blue state.
They're taking a state level approach to ban direct to
consumer pharmaceutical advertising. Now, there is a bill that's been
introduced at the federal level to limit drug ads. Now,
(08:00):
drug ads, It doesn't complete outright ban them, but an
Oklahoma Republican senator by the name of Dusty Devers has
proposed a bill that would prohibit drug ads on radio
and other media in Oklahoma. This state senator says that
pharmaceutical ads have led to a to a culture in
which commercials can end up influencing health care decisions and
(08:25):
then puts pressure on doctors to prescribe certain advertised medications.
In one story I read, he says this the dangers
of direct to consumer pharmaceutical advertising have been well documented
in multiple public health crises. He goes on says that
his legislation will ensure that medical decisions are merit based
(08:49):
and free from emotionally manipulative, multi million dollar marketing campaigns.
It's Senate Bill seven to seven to one in Oklahoma,
if you want to follow. It explicitly bars advertisements for
prescription drugs via radio, television, print or digital publications, online
(09:10):
streaming services, billboards, email, text messaging, or targeting any Oklahoma
resident with prescription drug ads through digital or social media platforms.
Every instance of a prohibited advertisement would constitute a separate offense,
(09:31):
and violators would be guilty of a felony punishable by
a fine of up to five hundred thousand dollars and
five years in prison. I'd say this senator is pretty
damn serious about getting rid of these damn ads. Now,
the bill would still allow ads for uh that are
(09:51):
related to public health campaigns, as long as they don't
promote a specific pharmaceutical product like you know, a you know,
the President's Council and physical fitness get off your ass
and go exercise kind of thing, add related to insurance
coverage for prescription drugs, or adds that promote clinical trials
(10:12):
or research. Hey, we're doing a trial or we're doing
some we're doing a clinical trial, and if you suffer
from X, there's a clinical trial. You know, go to
this website or call this number to see if you qualify.
If you'd like to participate in the clinical trial, that
would be permitted. Now, Oklahoma's not the only one doing this.
As I said a state rep in Connecticut by the
name of Dave r. You know, I can't pronounce stuff.
(10:39):
Rudy Gigliano, Rudy Gilo. Could I have an order of
Rudy Gillano, please? Yes, with a little patta on the side.
Uh told the Hartford Business Journal that his proposal is
just trying and start a conversation. What a you know,
the guy in Oklahoma's like, Bam, bam, we're going to
(11:00):
outlaw this. It's a felony. You know, it's going to
be a five hundred thousand dollars five five years in prison.
But the Democrat just wants to start a conversation, even
as the effort to ban the ads is actually going
on in Washington. He says, the beauty of his system
is that we get to raise a concept that's not
fully vetted, which this one isn't, and just have a conversation.
(11:24):
Isn't that so Democrat? Now, the state efforts might actually
motivate lawmakers in Congress to act, because Angus King of
Independent Haha, I mean really, a Democrat in Maine has
reintroduced bills to limit pharmaceutical advertising. His bill would prohibit
(11:46):
direct to consumer advertising of a new drug in the
first three years after it gets FDA approval. The FDA
could then on their own waive the third year of
the prohibition if it determines there's enough value to public health,
or it could even extend a prohibition if the drug
(12:07):
has significant adverse health effects. Now when I read that,
I laughed myself, because we're now learning that the COVID shot,
the stars CoV two shot not it's called the vaccine,
but it's not a vaccine. That they're finding the spike
protein in humans years after they've taken that shot. In
(12:30):
other words, you're walking around with that covid protein spike
still in your body from the shot, not from having
the COVID. King says his bill, I love this. This
is so democrat would protect people over profits by limiting
a flood of misleading ads that drive up costs. He's
(12:55):
quoted as saying, this bill is a great step to
ensure that patients are getting the best information possible. We
can start by making sure newly approved drugs aren't allowed
to immediately flood the market with promotional ads before we
fully understand the impact on the general public. And he's
done this before. Now what's happening in the administrative state.
(13:18):
New FDA rules took effect in November, requiring the pharmaceutical
ads on radio and TV clearly state the name of
the drug listed side effects in a clear, conspicuous and
neutral manner. Now you know that oftentimes they'll speed up
(13:40):
the voice and run through the side effects, which always
include with the ultimate side effect is which you die.
So they've adopted these new standards, and then they did
a review scissors Room for Improvement. They released a review
of five drug ads that aired on radio found that
(14:03):
two violated the existing fair balance regulations and also also
violated the rules that side effect disclosures need to be
clear and conspicuous. So my question to you is, before
I tell you another part of this story is what's
your take on this? The text line is three three
one zero three keywords Mike or Michael do you favor? Because,
(14:25):
as I said, I hate these ads and I want
them off the air. The lawyer of me says, but
they're exercising the right of free speech. And then I
argue with myself and I say, but wait a minute.
Television radio are highly regulated industries, so they already have
government control over them. And is there really free speech?
(14:48):
For example, do I really have free speech on radio?
Because you're my favorite word is well, you know what,
and I.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Can't say that you have free speech once?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, that's you're right, right, You're right, I've free speech once,
which is why we have a dump button, because let's
just say that, Well, it's early in the year. I
think he's I think you have had to use the
dumb button once. Correct, not because of what I said, correct,
but because of an audio I was playing that I forgot.
(15:20):
I missed that. There was a too. It was the
big one. It was the big one. Totally missed it.
But what's funny is I had listened to the audio
before totally missed it, even though it was the big one.
It was a gigantic f bomb. I don't know how
I missed it. And I looked up at Dragon, who
(15:43):
was looking at me and already had already reached and
hit the dump button because I was just looking to see, hey,
did you catch that. Of course he caught it, because
he's not paying attention except his ears. As a producer forever,
particularly on the third floor, is accustomed to listening for
those kinds of sounds, so that he can immediately dump its.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, we producers really only hear those seven words.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
That's all you do here. You don't hear squad about
what we say. You only hear those seven words and
then boom, you dump them. So are you four or
against the banning of these ads? Now? Listen to this.
This comes from one of our trade publications. Because I
started digging into this, I won't tell you, but one
(16:27):
of our trade publications writes this medium. Monitors says nearly
forty four thousand prescription drug ads aired last week on
radio stations that it tracks, demonstrating the radio remains an
attractive outlook for pharmaceutical companies. One reason is how well
it works. Cumuless Media Westwood One didn't say anything about iHeart.
(16:52):
Last year, we released the results of seven brand tracking
studies conducted among adults eighteen plus and found that AMFM
radio can do a better job reaching users of pharmaceuticals
and TV. Here are a whole a bunch of drug us.
So if I tell you you need to use Jardians
(17:14):
so you don't dance around like that fatass woman on
the Jardians commercial, can you take it?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
So?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
What would you think if I started doing drug ads.
You want to ban them or not ban them. I
think I fall on the side of banning them. It's
a highly regulated industry.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I'm gonna have to take your side on that and
say that pharmaceutical companies should not be advertising. You can't
advertise tobacco products, So what's the difference. If they can't
advertise those they have an adverse effect on health, why
are we doing pharmaceuticals. Have a nice day, enjoy your weekend.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
So let's see what the reaction is because I'm really curious.
Let's get over here. Text messages received, refresh and let's
see what you say. Ooh six zero eight five Michael,
this is a real life example of why I hate
the pharmaceutical ads. I am on one of the drugs advertised.
(18:19):
You know, here's the other thing. I want to be
the guy who gets paid a bazillion dollars to come
up with the names. I've not heard of this one.
Vanity ev n ev e n it t y vanity.
I've been on it for one year. The cost build
to the doctor's office every holy crap, the cost build
(18:43):
to the doctor's office every month is six thousand, six
hundred and thirty dollars per month now after insurance, I
don't pay that amount. If they weren't running ads for
this every hour, would it cost nearly that much? Absolutely ridiculous.
I mean I could look it up, but I'm busy
reading text messages. Could you tell me what avinity is? Four?
(19:08):
I'm curious, uh sixty six ninety Mike, since you're talking
about commercials, iHeart app likes. You run Spanish language commercials,
which I promptly close.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
The app divinity is for osteoporosis.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Osteoporosis? Okay? Aventity? Holy crap? Sixty six hundred dollars per month? Now,
I'm also curious now of how much does your insurance pay?
So once you're out of pocket for a six thousand
six holy crap. Hang on, where's my little calculator? Come on,
(19:42):
come on, come on, care calculator. Calculator, calculator six six
three zero times twelve eighty thousand, seventy nine thousand, five
hundred and sixty dollars a year for your osteoporosis. Now,
the other one thing I'd like to know is is
(20:02):
it helping? How long you've been taking it? Is it helping?
Look listeners want to know you need you need six
zero eight five. You got to give us the details.
Here's the other thing I love about, and it's not
just the iHeart app. It's whatever podcast app you use
(20:23):
to download podcasts. Do you know what geo fencing is?
Geo fencing is where? And it's not just iHeart any
any app can do this, and I should say every app,
Every app does this. If if I download a podcast
at home, then I'll get commercials occasionally all hear Kamenski,
(20:48):
or I'll hear Dave Logan, ill hear I've heard myself.
But if I go to Scottsdale to see my daughter,
then suddenly I'm getting ads for places in Arizona. You know,
do you need an h You know it's hotter than
hell in Phoenix right now? Do you need an H
back company will call Bill's HVAC service on Scottsdale Road.
(21:11):
You know he's got a special going on. So that's
geo fencing. That's how much info they can get based
on your location so they can target you with an
AD to help you. Sixty four to twenty one. Michael,
I hate the ads. I would love for them to
be banned. They seem to be part of the woke
(21:33):
movement anyway. I wonder if you take any of these
drugs from the ads, do you automatically start acting where
by dancing around and floating through the sky, joining parades
as they go by, or simply have diarrhea for the
rest of your life. Those things all seem like side
effects to be says Sam in Ohio. Hi, Sam in Ohio, God, Sam,
What come on, Sam? You can think you take a drug.
(21:53):
Is anybody in the audience that doesn't take any medication whatsoever?
Do you take any meds? Drug? Nothing, prescription? Nothing prescription correct?
All right, but you take vitamins or something correct?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, I'll take C and D and fish oil and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
All right? Good? Zero three ninety seven Mike, I'm also
convinced I'm fat and I need to lose weight with
these epics. Get these ads off the air. You know,
we're starting to learn about the side effects of ozimbic
and w goovi and all of those. Ooh, kind of scary.
Ninety seven ninety eight, says Mike. I'm completely forbanning the
(22:28):
drug ads. I might feel different if we actually had
a media that did real investigations However, it is very
evident that the media is quite biased in promadical drugs. Well,
stop and think about this before I finish your text.
If you watch any of the networks, For example, one
of my programs, I know it's left leaning, but still
(22:49):
one of my it's entertaining is CBS this Sunday Morning.
It is almost exclusively sponsored by Pfizer. You think about
how much money Phizer or any of the other major
pharmaceutical companies spend on television advertising, you would recognize that
(23:12):
what's the impediment if we all, if we agree generically
generally speaking, to ban pharmaceutical ads, where do you think
the biggest opposition is going to come from? No, not
the pharmaceutical companies because they're making a s load of money. Anyway,
It's going to be iHeart, Cumulus, Westward, Westward, Westwood Odyssey,
(23:40):
It's going to be all the smaller media companies. It's
going to be CBS, NBC, ABC, it's going to be Fox,
it's going to be CNN, it's going to be MSNBC.
Because I would imagine that pharmaceutical advertising accounts for a
majority of their ad revenue. That's that's how at it's
(24:00):
like democrats overreaching, the pharmaceutical companies have finally overreached so
much so that we're getting legislation in disparate places like
Connecticut and Oklahoma that say, you know what, we're gonna,
We're gonna, we're gonna ban these And in Oklahoma they're really,
they're they're really, they're damn serious about it, making it
a felony. And every AD that runs that violates the
(24:23):
law is a separate incident. So if you buy, you
buy a like typically you buy three months worth of ads.
X number rotation is you know, uh, five spots a
day for you know, they buy Monday through Friday. Maybe
it might buy some weekend too, and then three months.
(24:45):
And you get caught running that for say a month,
five hundred thousand dollars a piece plus jail time probably
shut it down pretty quickly. Uh, but you go on
to say ninety seven eight. However, it is very evident
that the media is quite biased in pro medical drugs,
(25:06):
primarily because they receive so much advertising for those companies.
They're not going to bite the hand that feeds them.
The mainstream media was pretty much ninety nine percent pro
covid JAB in twenty one and twenty two. Even now
with so much data out of the large number of
people suffering from one of the twelve hundred plus known
side effects of the COVID JAB, the mainstream media stelps
tells people to go get the jab.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Let's also not forget that a lot of these things
are being used off label. That ozenpic stuff for weight
loss was not designed for weight loss. That is a
side effect. Remember Fiagra, Viagra is a heart pill that
has a side effect. You know when during that twenty
twenty one this stuff that the text was talking about, Yeah,
we were told not to use the horse dew warmer
(25:51):
because that's an off label drug.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Well, so are these? So are these? I think I'm
trying to think through. You know, my anti aging doctor
has me on although we've reduced it by half, I'm
probably on one, two, three, four, five prescription drugs other
(26:14):
than my blood blood pressure medication. Four of those prescription
drugs are all off label for the anti aging effects.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
But just remember the big stink they gave about the
horse do you. I can't remember the name of it,
but it was just the horse doy worm or page.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Oh it was ivermectin.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, I remember not allowed to get that because doctors
are prescribing it off label.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Hmm, then we get we finally get to the real quickly.
Several of you mentioned cars for kids commercials should just
outright be banned forget free speech. Yes, I will literally
(27:00):
turn down my radio, and because I'm so addicted to
the clock because of my job, I pretty much know
about what sixty seconds is and can turn it down,
kind of check the traffic, and then turn it back
up and go on to listening to what I was
listening to. I hate those little kids, I say ban them.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
And the reason I say that is because the money
they pump into the TV stations for the commercials, they
actually own the TV station. The TV station nowadays, what
they want, they carry their water. Maybe we'd get back
to real journalism.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Please, dragon, let's see what we can do the audience
real quickly. I can't. I can't. I can't even do that.
I I just wanted to, like, you know, be the
a hole cruel man. That is cruel.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
It's just cruel, especially on a Friday.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
So six o' eight five comes back and tells me
more about Avinity, and Tarma even mentioned that she's heard
of the drug. Yes, the aventity is for it's a
it's not just anti osteoporosis, it actually reverses it. So
six o' eight five says, yes, the aventity is doing
its job and increasing my bone density. I'm on the
(28:24):
drug after seven of my vertebrae fractured. Not fun. After
insurance and other programs to help pay for expensive drugs,
I pay five hundred and fifty dollars a month for
a shot that cost sixty six hundred dollars a month.
I still hate the ads. They have to be paying
billions per year on these ads. Absolutely. Then six seven
(28:47):
eight nine says that, speaking of high price prescriptions, my
mother in law is on a drug that is seventeen
thousand dollars a month for her cancers, which is stage four.
It's kept real law and in good health for over
five years. She gets a grant, pays nothing. Not sure
who the grant is from. I'm not saying that these
drugs are bad now. I do think some of them are,
(29:10):
but not all drugs are bad. I don't think. Look,
I sincerely believe that pharmaceuticals in general have really advanced civilization.
They've made us live longer. They've allowed us to live longer,
they have cured diseases, they have stopped diseases like the Divinity.
(29:30):
If it truly reverses the effects of osteoporosis, that's a
miracle drug. And I understand the costs of research and development.
The whole FDA approval process probably costs as much in
some cases as the R and D expenses were. And
then you add on that advertising. I guess the reason
(29:53):
I fall on the side of banning the advertisements is
do I really need to go to my doctor and say, hey,
I saw this on TV. Because the other thing that
occurs is if you listen to the symptoms, we all
have all of the symptoms at any given moment. How
(30:14):
many of you have ever We were in Yellowstone several
summers ago and there was a clinic and they had
a sign out front, you know the sign where you
can change the message, and it said we treat real
diseases or something. We're not doctor Google. How many of you,
(30:39):
be honest, have had something Yeah, oh, a little twitch here,
a little pain here, I get a little itch over here,
and you've gone onto Google and you've searched for that symptom.
We completely screwed up the whole doctor patient relationship. And look,
I think you should be your advocate when you go
see your doctor. But the advocacy doesn't mean, hey, I
(30:59):
heard about a drug, I think I got the symptom.
The doctor's gonna roll his eyes at you.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
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