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Michael Brown USA. So I want to talk you a
little bit about immigration, uh, immigration and counter terrorism and
Chinese students. We're going to kind of wrap all of
those up together a little bit if we can. But
let's start with this. Joe Kent. Do you know who
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Joe Kent is?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Joe Kent is a is a former US Army Special
Forces soldier. He was also a CIA officer. He was
born in Sweethholme, Oregon, back in I think nineteen eighty.
He sarved twenty years in the military, eleven combat deployments
with the seventy fifth Ranger Detachment, Army Special Forces and
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Intelligence Support Activity, so you know, pretty well qualified. He
left the Army in twenty eighteen, and when he did,
he worked briefly, just briefly, for the CIA's Special Activity Center.
He's married. He's got a wife with the name of
Shannon Kent. She's a Navy cryptologist technician. She was killed
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in a suicide bomby in twenty nineteen in Syria. Obviously,
his life has been shaped dramatically by his life experiences,
including the death of his wife by an ied He
ran as a Republican nominee for the third congressional district
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in Washington State in twenty twenty two and again in
twenty twenty four, defeated the incumbent I forget Butler, Butler
or something I think was the incumbent's name in the primary,
but losing both general elections to a Democrat, Marie I
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think Marie Perez. His campaigns always focused on the America
First Agenda, Trump's policies, border security, energy, independence, a general
skepticism of federal institutions. Imagine that the guy that worked
in the military and in the CIA, and his wife
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was killed by an ied and he's skeptic about skeptical
a little bit about federal institutions. I like this guy. Now,
I don't knowing personally. I've never met him, obviously, don't
live in Washington state. Didn't pay much attention to the campaigns,
didn't pay much attention to him at all for a while.
He did start controversy as he promoted some election fraud claims.
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He called COVID nineteen vaccines experimental gene therapy. And he's
kind of associated with a bunch of far right figures,
though he has I think unequivocally rejected white nationalism and
white extremism. Well, let's fast forward to this year. Trump
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nominated mister Kent to lead the National County the National
counter Terrorism Center. He requires Senate confirmation. The critics have
raised concerns about his past statements and his past affiliations.
The supporters obviously highlight his extensive counter terrorism experience, which
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is way beyond any minimal requirement. He remarried in a
couple of years ago, he lives still lives in Washington.
He's got two kids. So what does this have to
do with anything well. In the confirmation hearing that was
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held this week, he said something that I think Mark Kelly,
the senior Senator from Arizona, who recently sold a Tesla
but to guest guzzling SUVs, all in protest of Elon Musk,
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which I find hilarious because Elon Musk already made the
money on the tesla's and whoever bought his teslas is
either going to drive them and use them or they're
going to resell them and they'll make some money. Shows
you just how stupid Mark Kelly is. By the way,
Mark Kelly is married to Gabby Giffords, former congresswoman from Arizona,
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who some I forget the dirt bags name doesn't make
any difference. He's a dirt bag who tried to assassinate
her in front of her little She was having a
town hall meeting. She got shot in the head in
front of a grocery store. She eventually left Congress. She's
still alive, she survived the shooting, but she's been dramatically
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injured by it. And so they now head up an
anti gun group, the Giffords something Mark Kelly is as
a radical much of a radical Democrat, as Gabby Giffords is.
So he's during the confirmation hearing, he probably wishes that
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he had regretted or did not go down this line
of questioning this concern.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
You believe that the violence on January sixth was intentionally
organized or directed?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Still an an investigation.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Where we're looking into whether elements of the government could
have enhanced the criminal acuity of some of the rioters
that day.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
So you've said on Twitter that the FBI and the
intelligence community were involved in planning and directing the riot.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Is that correct sounds like something I said? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:19):
And what evidence do you I love that answer.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
He's not he's tacitly mean, yeah. Yeah. It sounds like
something I would have said. Yeah. Kind of a uh
smart ass answer to a US senator, which I think
we need more of. Throw it back in their faces.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
We have for that claim. So the community were involved
in planning and directing the riot?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Is that correct sounds like something I said?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
And what evidence do you have for that claim?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
So we've already identified that there were multiple confidential human
informants ran by the FBI and other law enforcement agencies
that were present in the crowd that day. Directing, removing barriers,
those types of things. This has been investigated widely. We're
continuing to look into it. The intelligence, I would say,
the FBI and other elements of the law enforcement apparatus
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attempted to suppress the fact that there was undercover, confidential
human informants that were part of these different groups. We
also had intelligence leading up to January sixth that there
was going to be violence that day, So that speaks
to some degree of intelligence infiltration into some of these
who within issues within the FBI.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
That's a point I which should gloss over. We had intelligence,
which we all know because Trump offered the National Guard,
Pelosi and Schumer rejected national Guard. They had intel, They
had human intelligence that there was going to be violence
that day. And his point is, in order to have
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that intel, you had to have human intael to tell
tell you that you had to have some in you
had some involvement of the intelligence community in all of
the planning, all the activities up to and including January sixth.
In order to have had the intelligence community reporting up
the chain of command that there is likelihood of violence,
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you got to be better prepared for it. That is
an astonishing answer. Mark Kelly's response.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
We're looking into that right now.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Which departments of the FBI, probably the Washington Field Office.
So you believe the Washington Field Office for it was
involved in the planning of the violence in the building
next door in January sixth.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It's being looked into. I mean, look we had and
who is loving who is looking into it that we
are in the intelligence community here, we're looking into it
right now.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
And do you believe that the IC conducts actions of
this nature against them Americans?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Does the IC well the FBI and other law enforcement
agencies and trapping individuals? If you look at who was
running the Washington Field Office during January sixth of Stephen Dantoano,
he was also running the field office in Michigan where
many of the defendants were let go after they were
accused of attempting to kidnap the governor, because the vast
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majority of them were undercover FBI confidential informants. So, unfortunately,
this behavior does happen by members of law enforcement and
the intelligence community, and it's incumbent upon us.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
To make sure that we are transparent with you people.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Mister Ken, would you be willing to share this evidence
of this investigation with this committee.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I look forward to a center.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And there you have Boom Samsor to Kelly uh, next question,
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it off. So this week, a federal judge ruled that
the Trump administration's efforts to deport mak mu Khalil. That's
the Palestinian that attend the so called Palestinian that attends
Columbia University. He's a graduate student, and he's a US
permanent resident who's now detained in a federal detention center
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down in Louisiana, and that deportation can move forward, according
to this federal judge. Now these deportation proceedings against Khalil
were initiated a month ago after federal authorities determined that
he had helped organize these pro Hamas demonstrations that were
disrupting Columbia University activities and created an unassainable fear of
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environment of fear for Jewish students on the campus. He
is until April twenty third defile an application for relief
to appeal the deportation order. So the Department of State,
acting under Secretary of State Marco Rubio, initiated this removal
after they determined that his actions constituted an effort to
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threaten and undermine US foreign policy interests. Now he appealed
the deportation, he got a temporary restraining order barring his
removal from the United States District Court. Judge Jesse Furman
did it a far left wing judge whose family has
really deep tied the Democrat Party, but should not be
and are not surprised by that. Now Trump has spoken
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out on this. Would you like to have Imagine being
the secretary, sayer, Imagine being the attorney general. Imagine just
being Trump's lawyers, having Trump for a lawyer, because you're
not going to shut him up. Although he did very
well during all the lawfare cases during the campaign, he
was very measured in what he had to say. But
now the he's president and the shackles are off, he
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pretty much just comes out. Because he labeled Khalil as
a radical form pro Hamas student, well that seems pretty
factually correct to me. But he went on to hail
the arrest as the first of many to come for
these foreign agitators. So then after that, the Trump administration
is believed to have revoked probably I can't find a number,
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but probably thousands of student visus that primarily involved foreign
students who have participated in or organized these pro Hamas demonstrations.
That don't forget, Hamas is a foreign terrorist organization as
designated and recognize by both the Treasury Department and this
be a Department of State. So after his detention, a
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lot of students they were facing deportation, decided to, uh,
you know what, I think, I'll just go to the
airport and go home now, including Rajani Selvera Sani. I
don't delibery bachelardize the name. I just can't pronounce it.
He was an Indian migrant. She had her student visa
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revoked because she was advocating violence and terrorism. Another Columbia student,
la Keith Cordia, was arrested last month by Ice because
she had overstayed her expired F one student visa. She's
a Palestinian originally from the West Bank, and now she
has packed up and gone home too. But this week
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and even today, I've had a couple of text messages
asking about wait a minute, we're getting rid of these
particular students. But go back during the Biden administration, do
you remember all the stories we heard about these military
age men between the ages of say eighteen and thirty
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five who are of Chinese origin, that are crossing the border.
And they wouldn't cross the border ragtag like somebody from
Guatemala or made their way from some Middle Eastern country. No,
they made their way to you know, the Yucatan Peninsula,
and then they made their way to some of the
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resorts Cabo or somewhere, and then they would you know, restroom,
do a little r and R for a while, and
then after their r and R, somebody would provide them
some clean clothes and a new cell phone, and they
would make their way, you know, just across the border
with some really nice sneakers or shoes or or whatever
they needed and then just disappear into the country. Hmm.
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I wonder where they are now. And I wonder because
one of the not I don't think it's the core,
but I think one of the core functions, because I
let me just be specific here, I think the core
function of a sovereign nation like ours is to protect
and defend our rights under the Constitution. It's to guarantee
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us those rights, to guarantee us a small, r republican
form of government. Many people will tell you they think
that the core function of any sovereign state is to
protect its people. I think that's a secondary function. I
think the first function of the federal government is to
guarantee our rights. Whether it's the first, second, third, fourth,
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the tenth, go through all of them. That's the core function.
A secondary function, of opinion, is to protect us. Now
that's not a matter of tradition, it's not a political statement.
I think it's the cornerstone of the legitimacy of any
sovereign nation, because you can't have any policy program or
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any sort of platitude. I guess that undermines national security
that any nation like that can long endure in a
system that values its own continuity, so its own existence.
Right now, this country faces a dilemma of precisely that sort,
and it comes in these student visas. But in particular,
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what I want to talk about right now are visas
that are issued to nationals of the PRC, the People's
Republic of China. It's not a question of prejudice, it's
not a question of racism, it's not a question of
anything other than a question of prudence. Is the federal
government doing what it should be doing, not just to
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first enforce our and guarantee our rights, but second, what
are you doing if foreign nationals from a country whose
state of existence is world domination and the destruction of
the United States, what are you doing about them? Now?
The Chinese Communist Party, You've got to understand, this subjects
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its citizens, regardless of where they are anywhere in the world,
to the sweeping dictates of their twenty seventeen National Intelligence Law,
particularly Article seven. Have you ever heard of that? Well,
guess what I'm going to explain to you. It's the
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the Chinese Communist Party.
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as I said before the end the end of that
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last segment, the Chinese Communist Party subjects its citizens wherever
they are, doesn't make any difference where they go. To
the twenty seventeen National Intelligence Law, And here's the key part.
Article seven. That law requires. It mandates that every single
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Chinese citizen and every single child, business or organization, whether
it's a you know, a fraternal organization, a business organization,
it doesn't make any difference. They are required, upon request
to not only support, but to cooperate with any and
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all of their intelligence apparatus work. So if you're one
of these Chinese nationals, that is somebody said on the
text line, which I thought was hilarious. Governor of forty
four to sixty seven, Oh, Michael, I remember the lines
of those Chinese individuals with their nice luggage and toe.
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Oh yeah, they all had nice Tommy bags, you know,
carrying all the belongings that someone had brought them in
Cabo so they can make their way across the Rio Grande.
They were special illegal aliens, and that's exactly right. Well,
all of them are required. Or anybody that just comes
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here on a student visa, anybody that comes over here
because well they heard they well we hear there's really
good food in Chinatown, or we want to go try eating,
you know whatever, we want to go visit the Statue
of Liberty, or we want to go do whatever. They
can be approached because they're here, and I know they're
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here for a fact, because I've been briefed on it before.
They can be approached by any Chinese intelligence officer. Ask
any question, asked to do almost anything, and they're required
to do so, and the failure to do so will
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probably get you expelled, disappeared, or your social score will
go to zero and you'll be abandoned in this in
this country, or you'll be shipped off to god knows
where mang and you know, stuck in the mountain somewhere
and never be found again. The point is, there are
no geographic exceptions, there are no due process requirements, and
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there is absolutely zero meaningful ability for a citizen, once
contacted by the Chinese Communist Party to say no. You
say yes. Now what you think about the implications of that.
A Chinese graduate student in physics that t is under
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this law legally obligated to assist Beijing's Ministry of State
Security should it ever come calling. He might be compelled
to pass along blueprints, forward some emails, record a document, conversations,
surveil your students, your professors, go to a seminar, pick
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up all of the materials, record, you know, go to
this particular panel. They're going to be discussing something that
we're interested in, and well, we want you to do
it for us. Your failure to comply with any of
those requests doesn't include a personal choice.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
It is a criminal.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Offense under Chinese law, and your compliance is expected. Doesn't
make any difference whether the student resides in Shanghai or
San Francisco. It doesn't make any difference whether you're going
to the University of Denver or or the MIT. So
the presence of Chinese nationals on American campuses is more
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than a matter of oh student exchange programs. It is,
by virtue of Chinese law, a latent national security vulnerability.
Are you aware that some universities in this country had
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been warned by our intelligence community that some of the
students attending their campuses are actually being approached and ordered
by the Chinese security ministry to do certain things UCLA, Stanford,
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University of Utah, the University of Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Northwestern in Chicago,
University Indiana, Rice, University in Texas, Cornell, NYU, Penn Virginia,
just to name a few. And I know that, well,
I doubt this audience would. But when I've talked to
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some of when I've talked to have to be careful here.
When I've talked to people about this, some have said, well,
you're being too speculative that only a minority of students
would ever be asked to spy. Okay, so what's your
you know, my retort to this one individual was in particular. Okay, Well,
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let's say that that's true, that only a minority is
ever asked to spy. What level is acceptable to you?
If there are five thousand students, is one percent acceptable,
it's ten percent? Five hundred of them is twenty five
to fifty per unacceptable? What's the acceptable number? Because that
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retort of is only a small number that misses the
entire structural point. The threat lies not in what Chinese
students choose to do, but what what what are they
legally compelled to do by their own government? In a
constitutional republic like ours, we kind of presume that individuals
act according to conscience or they act according to law.
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Sometimes those are in sync, sometimes they are not. But
under the framework the Chinese Communist Party, it is the
party that defines the law, It is the party that
defines conscience, and it is the party that sets the
boundary between being a private citizen and a state operative
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And it isn't making a difference what you think. It
makes no difference whatsoever. This is not a hypothetical. The
Department of Justice has explicitly warned that colleges and universities
all across this country are vulnerable to infiltration by Chinese
intelligence operatives, and according to some Department of Justice assessments,
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the motives of some of these international students actually extend
way beyond just an academic pursuit and include the transfer
of sensitive knowledge, the transfer of a sensitive technology back
to the Chinese government. I mention just a few universities
you and I just mentioned a few, because more than
sixty all the way from the Pac twelve over to
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the Big Twelve, including the Ivy League, they've all been
warned of active efforts by Chinese nationals to exploit their
academic access for the benefit of the Chinese Ministry of Security.
Let's come back to twenty twenty one. In October twenty
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twenty one, the Department of Justice finished a decade long
investigation that culminated in charges against four Chinese nationals that
were accused of conspiring to recruit American professors, to recruit
federal law enforcement officers and some state homeland security officials
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to recruit them as what well as agents of the
Chinese Communist Party. A professor at the University of Texas,
Bou Mao, was accused of having his university credentials to
obtain proprietary technology from a Silicon Valley startup, which he
then transferred to a Walway subsidiary. The chairman of Harvard's
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chemistry department was arrested because he was concealing his involvement
in a Chinese talent recruitment program, and the very same
day that he was arrested, a former Boston University student
was charged with visa fraud because she hid her rank
as a lieutenant in the PLA. The I'm sorry, the
People's Liberation Army. Oh, there's other documentary cases. There's lots
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of them. The Chinese cancer researcher affiliated with Harvard, that
Yahoo stole lab materials. A UCLA scholar convicted for exporting
missile technology, the Illinois Institute, I'm sorry, the Illinois the
Illinois Institute of Technology charged with recruiting spies for Chinese intelligence.
So you get the drift. This is not isolated. This
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is an indicator of a sy make strategy by the
Chinese Communist Party. There is no way that you cannot
recognize that a lot of our ideas, our technology, the
research that we do, innovation that's often incubated on university
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campuses where our science and technology often originates. That's why
it's the most prime place to steal. And it's not
just in terms of science and technology. The NIH, the
National Institutes of Health, they put out the same kind
of warning. Particularly it feels like biomedical science. But it's
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not just. I mean, look, I get to think about it.
It's defense, it's energy, it goes its health, it's technology,
it's mathematics, chemistry, everything that you can possibly imagine. I
don't think there's a country poses a greater, more severe
or long term threat to our national security and our
economic prosperity in the communist China. As I've said many
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times on the Weekday program, China is an existential threat
to this country. And China's communist government's goals, simply put,
is to replace us as the singular superpower on this planet.
And they will break the law, they will infiltrate and
do whatever they can to get whatever technology, data, science, innovation,
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whatever it is, to steal it and to use it
then against us. Oh, it's even worse. It's the Weekend
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we are, we we we've got We know we have
Chinese nationals coming into the country illegally. We know we
have Chinese nationals in the country who are here on
student visas. We know we have Chinese nationals who are
in this country who are here on tourist visas. So
we got Chinese everywhere. Look to your left, look dear right,
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you'll find it. You'll find a Chinese person somewhere. Now,
I'm not saying they're all spies, they're not all engaged
in espionage. But why are we not doing something where
we know, for example, from going back to that earlier study,
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we know that they do this. We've known for at
least four years now, it'll be it'll be five years
soon that we've known they've been doing. The Department of
Justice itself, even the Biden administration admitted that this was
going on. So I know that. I don't think I
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should say I don't think the majority of these students, visitors,
or anybody else that's here legally or illegally, are necessarily spies.
They're not necessarily villains. In many cases, they're probably victims
of their own own government's paranoia in coercion, because the
Ministry of State Security has a unequivocally documented pattern of
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pressuring Chinese nationals abroad by simply threatening the members of
their families that are still back in China they're on
the mainland, so that renders any resistance really pretty much unthinkable.
But just because there's victimhood does not erase vulnerability. You know,
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a foreign student can be absolutely innocent in intent and
dangerous in potential. In other words, maybe they haven't been
approached yet and they're innocently here working, studying and doing
everything right, and maybe at some point maybe they want
to defect, maybe they want to go back and try
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to change your own country, which I wish them well.
But be that as it may. Our visa policy ought
to account that a foreign student can be innocent until
they're not. So if that's the case, then the President
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and the Secretary of State, just as we're doing with
let me back up a second. We've designated hamas has belaw,
the Hohothies, you know, all these different organizations as terrorist organizations.
We know what China's world domination attempt is. So why
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are we not deporting Chinese students? Why are we not
focused on because the court is now ruled that here
is a student at Columbia who is pro Palestinian who
is actively supporting hamas well, if we want to be
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if we want to be careful, that we don't, you know,
deport someone who has not done anything wrong yet. Although
I still maintain that a Chinese student is innocent until
they're not, meaning that at any moment they could become
guilty of succumbing to state security. Why are we least
focusing and trying to find those who've come here illegally
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because they have a presumption that they're not here for
innocent purposes. There's a presumption that they are not here
because they can they cross the border illegally, So why
not go find them?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Now?
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I understand that right now we're focused on criminals, and
I'm all for that, but why can't we do Why
can't we walk into gum at the same time, Why
can't I also start trying to find those Chinese nationals
who have come here illegally and start focusing on them
also because I see them as great of a threat
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to our national sovereignty, to our cultural cohesion, to public safety,
to whatever descriptor you want to use, as are the
criminals from South America. I think that Chinese nationals who
have come here illegally are as large of a threat
as say Trenda arragua is. They may not be the
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Chinese nationals may not be engaging in, you know, cutting
out people's hearts, but they're certainly cutting out our technology,
cutting out our science, cutting out our innovation, and shipping
that in freezer bags back east. We got to stop it.
It's it's and there's precedent. You know, during the Cold War,
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for example, we restricted visas to Soviet nationals on similar grounds. Well,
if that logic was sound during the Cold War, we're
engaging the Cold War right now with the Chinese Communist Party.
Why not restrict start restricting the Chinese nationals, And why
don't we get the Chinese nationals who came here in
particularly illegal because they're presumptively bad, and shipped them home.
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little bit about immigration, uh, immigration and counter terrorism and
Chinese students. We're going to kind of wrap all of
those up together a little bit if we can. But
let's start with this. Joe Kent. Do you know who
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Joe Kent is?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Joe Kent is a is a former US Army Special
Forces soldier. He was also a CIA officer. He was
born in Sweethholme, Oregon, back in I think nineteen eighty.
He sarved twenty years in the military, eleven combat deployments
with the seventy fifth Ranger Detachment, Army Special Forces and
(01:15):
Intelligence Support Activity, so you know, pretty well qualified. He
left the Army in twenty eighteen, and when he did,
he worked briefly, just briefly, for the CIA's Special Activity Center.
He's married. He's got a wife with the name of
Shannon Kent. She's a Navy cryptologist technician. She was killed
(01:36):
in a suicide bomby in twenty nineteen in Syria. Obviously,
his life has been shaped dramatically by his life experiences,
including the death of his wife by an ied He
ran as a Republican nominee for the third congressional district
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in Washington State in twenty twenty two and again in
twenty twenty four, defeated the incumbent I forget Butler, Butler
or something I think was the incumbent's name in the primary,
but losing both general elections to a Democrat, Marie I
(02:16):
think Marie Perez. His campaigns always focused on the America
First Agenda, Trump's policies, border security, energy, independence, a general
skepticism of federal institutions. Imagine that the guy that worked
in the military and in the CIA, and his wife
(02:37):
was killed by an ied and he's skeptic about skeptical
a little bit about federal institutions. I like this guy. Now,
I don't knowing personally. I've never met him, obviously, don't
live in Washington state. Didn't pay much attention to the campaigns,
didn't pay much attention to him at all for a while.
He did start controversy as he promoted some election fraud claims.
(03:04):
He called COVID nineteen vaccines experimental gene therapy. And he's
kind of associated with a bunch of far right figures,
though he has I think unequivocally rejected white nationalism and
white extremism. Well, let's fast forward to this year. Trump
(03:27):
nominated mister Kent to lead the National County the National
counter Terrorism Center. He requires Senate confirmation. The critics have
raised concerns about his past statements and his past affiliations.
The supporters obviously highlight his extensive counter terrorism experience, which
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is way beyond any minimal requirement. He remarried in a
couple of years ago, he lives still lives in Washington.
He's got two kids. So what does this have to
do with anything well. In the confirmation hearing that was
(04:09):
held this week, he said something that I think Mark Kelly,
the senior Senator from Arizona, who recently sold a Tesla
but to guest guzzling SUVs, all in protest of Elon Musk,
(04:33):
which I find hilarious because Elon Musk already made the
money on the tesla's and whoever bought his teslas is
either going to drive them and use them or they're
going to resell them and they'll make some money. Shows
you just how stupid Mark Kelly is. By the way,
Mark Kelly is married to Gabby Giffords, former congresswoman from Arizona,
(04:55):
who some I forget the dirt bags name doesn't make
any difference. He's a dirt bag who tried to assassinate
her in front of her little She was having a
town hall meeting. She got shot in the head in
front of a grocery store. She eventually left Congress. She's
still alive, she survived the shooting, but she's been dramatically
(05:17):
injured by it. And so they now head up an
anti gun group, the Giffords something Mark Kelly is as
a radical much of a radical Democrat, as Gabby Giffords is.
So he's during the confirmation hearing, he probably wishes that
(05:38):
he had regretted or did not go down this line
of questioning this concern.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
You believe that the violence on January sixth was intentionally
organized or directed?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Still an an investigation.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Where we're looking into whether elements of the government could
have enhanced the criminal acuity of some of the rioters
that day.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
So you've said on Twitter that the FBI and the
intelligence community were involved in planning and directing the riot.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Is that correct sounds like something I said? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:19):
And what evidence do you I love that answer.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
He's not he's tacitly mean, yeah. Yeah. It sounds like
something I would have said. Yeah. Kind of a uh
smart ass answer to a US senator, which I think
we need more of. Throw it back in their faces.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
We have for that claim. So the community were involved
in planning and directing the riot?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Is that correct sounds like something I said?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
And what evidence do you have for that claim?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
So we've already identified that there were multiple confidential human
informants ran by the FBI and other law enforcement agencies
that were present in the crowd that day. Directing, removing barriers,
those types of things. This has been investigated widely. We're
continuing to look into it. The intelligence, I would say,
the FBI and other elements of the law enforcement apparatus
(07:17):
attempted to suppress the fact that there was undercover, confidential
human informants that were part of these different groups. We
also had intelligence leading up to January sixth that there
was going to be violence that day, So that speaks
to some degree of intelligence infiltration into some of these
who within issues within the FBI.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
That's a point I which should gloss over. We had intelligence,
which we all know because Trump offered the National Guard,
Pelosi and Schumer rejected national Guard. They had intel, They
had human intelligence that there was going to be violence
that day. And his point is, in order to have
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that intel, you had to have human intael to tell
tell you that you had to have some in you
had some involvement of the intelligence community in all of
the planning, all the activities up to and including January sixth.
In order to have had the intelligence community reporting up
the chain of command that there is likelihood of violence,
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you got to be better prepared for it. That is
an astonishing answer. Mark Kelly's response.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
We're looking into that right now.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Which departments of the FBI, probably the Washington Field Office.
So you believe the Washington Field Office for it was
involved in the planning of the violence in the building
next door in January sixth.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It's being looked into. I mean, look we had and
who is loving who is looking into it that we
are in the intelligence community here, we're looking into it
right now.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
And do you believe that the IC conducts actions of
this nature against them Americans?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Does the IC well the FBI and other law enforcement
agencies and trapping individuals? If you look at who was
running the Washington Field Office during January sixth of Stephen Dantoano,
he was also running the field office in Michigan where
many of the defendants were let go after they were
accused of attempting to kidnap the governor, because the vast
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majority of them were undercover FBI confidential informants. So, unfortunately,
this behavior does happen by members of law enforcement and
the intelligence community, and it's incumbent upon us.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
To make sure that we are transparent with you people.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Mister Ken, would you be willing to share this evidence
of this investigation with this committee.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I look forward to a center.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And there you have Boom Samsor to Kelly uh, next question,
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it off. So this week, a federal judge ruled that
the Trump administration's efforts to deport mak mu Khalil. That's
the Palestinian that attend the so called Palestinian that attends
Columbia University. He's a graduate student, and he's a US
permanent resident who's now detained in a federal detention center
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down in Louisiana, and that deportation can move forward, according
to this federal judge. Now these deportation proceedings against Khalil
were initiated a month ago after federal authorities determined that
he had helped organize these pro Hamas demonstrations that were
disrupting Columbia University activities and created an unassainable fear of
(11:12):
environment of fear for Jewish students on the campus. He
is until April twenty third defile an application for relief
to appeal the deportation order. So the Department of State,
acting under Secretary of State Marco Rubio, initiated this removal
after they determined that his actions constituted an effort to
(11:35):
threaten and undermine US foreign policy interests. Now he appealed
the deportation, he got a temporary restraining order barring his
removal from the United States District Court. Judge Jesse Furman
did it a far left wing judge whose family has
really deep tied the Democrat Party, but should not be
and are not surprised by that. Now Trump has spoken
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out on this. Would you like to have Imagine being
the secretary, sayer, Imagine being the attorney general. Imagine just
being Trump's lawyers, having Trump for a lawyer, because you're
not going to shut him up. Although he did very
well during all the lawfare cases during the campaign, he
was very measured in what he had to say. But
now the he's president and the shackles are off, he
(12:22):
pretty much just comes out. Because he labeled Khalil as
a radical form pro Hamas student, well that seems pretty
factually correct to me. But he went on to hail
the arrest as the first of many to come for
these foreign agitators. So then after that, the Trump administration
is believed to have revoked probably I can't find a number,
(12:45):
but probably thousands of student visus that primarily involved foreign
students who have participated in or organized these pro Hamas demonstrations.
That don't forget, Hamas is a foreign terrorist organization as
designated and recognize by both the Treasury Department and this
be a Department of State. So after his detention, a
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lot of students they were facing deportation, decided to, uh,
you know what, I think, I'll just go to the
airport and go home now, including Rajani Selvera Sani. I
don't delibery bachelardize the name. I just can't pronounce it.
He was an Indian migrant. She had her student visa
(13:33):
revoked because she was advocating violence and terrorism. Another Columbia student,
la Keith Cordia, was arrested last month by Ice because
she had overstayed her expired F one student visa. She's
a Palestinian originally from the West Bank, and now she
has packed up and gone home too. But this week
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and even today, I've had a couple of text messages
asking about wait a minute, we're getting rid of these
particular students. But go back during the Biden administration, do
you remember all the stories we heard about these military
age men between the ages of say eighteen and thirty
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five who are of Chinese origin, that are crossing the border.
And they wouldn't cross the border ragtag like somebody from
Guatemala or made their way from some Middle Eastern country. No,
they made their way to you know, the Yucatan Peninsula,
and then they made their way to some of the
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resorts Cabo or somewhere, and then they would you know, restroom,
do a little r and R for a while, and
then after their r and R, somebody would provide them
some clean clothes and a new cell phone, and they
would make their way, you know, just across the border
with some really nice sneakers or shoes or or whatever
they needed and then just disappear into the country. Hmm.
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I wonder where they are now. And I wonder because
one of the not I don't think it's the core,
but I think one of the core functions, because I
let me just be specific here, I think the core
function of a sovereign nation like ours is to protect
and defend our rights under the Constitution. It's to guarantee
(15:32):
us those rights, to guarantee us a small, r republican
form of government. Many people will tell you they think
that the core function of any sovereign state is to
protect its people. I think that's a secondary function. I
think the first function of the federal government is to
guarantee our rights. Whether it's the first, second, third, fourth,
(15:54):
the tenth, go through all of them. That's the core function.
A secondary function, of opinion, is to protect us. Now
that's not a matter of tradition, it's not a political statement.
I think it's the cornerstone of the legitimacy of any
sovereign nation, because you can't have any policy program or
(16:15):
any sort of platitude. I guess that undermines national security
that any nation like that can long endure in a
system that values its own continuity, so its own existence.
Right now, this country faces a dilemma of precisely that sort,
and it comes in these student visas. But in particular,
(16:38):
what I want to talk about right now are visas
that are issued to nationals of the PRC, the People's
Republic of China. It's not a question of prejudice, it's
not a question of racism, it's not a question of
anything other than a question of prudence. Is the federal
government doing what it should be doing, not just to
(17:01):
first enforce our and guarantee our rights, but second, what
are you doing if foreign nationals from a country whose
state of existence is world domination and the destruction of
the United States, what are you doing about them? Now?
The Chinese Communist Party, You've got to understand, this subjects
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its citizens, regardless of where they are anywhere in the world,
to the sweeping dictates of their twenty seventeen National Intelligence Law,
particularly Article seven. Have you ever heard of that? Well,
guess what I'm going to explain to you. It's the
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as I said before the end the end of that
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last segment, the Chinese Communist Party subjects its citizens wherever
they are, doesn't make any difference where they go. To
the twenty seventeen National Intelligence Law, And here's the key part.
Article seven. That law requires. It mandates that every single
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Chinese citizen and every single child, business or organization, whether
it's a you know, a fraternal organization, a business organization,
it doesn't make any difference. They are required, upon request
to not only support, but to cooperate with any and
(19:18):
all of their intelligence apparatus work. So if you're one
of these Chinese nationals, that is somebody said on the
text line, which I thought was hilarious. Governor of forty
four to sixty seven, Oh, Michael, I remember the lines
of those Chinese individuals with their nice luggage and toe.
(19:42):
Oh yeah, they all had nice Tommy bags, you know,
carrying all the belongings that someone had brought them in
Cabo so they can make their way across the Rio Grande.
They were special illegal aliens, and that's exactly right. Well,
all of them are required. Or anybody that just comes
(20:02):
here on a student visa, anybody that comes over here
because well they heard they well we hear there's really
good food in Chinatown, or we want to go try eating,
you know whatever, we want to go visit the Statue
of Liberty, or we want to go do whatever. They
can be approached because they're here, and I know they're
(20:26):
here for a fact, because I've been briefed on it before.
They can be approached by any Chinese intelligence officer. Ask
any question, asked to do almost anything, and they're required
to do so, and the failure to do so will
(20:46):
probably get you expelled, disappeared, or your social score will
go to zero and you'll be abandoned in this in
this country, or you'll be shipped off to god knows
where mang and you know, stuck in the mountain somewhere
and never be found again. The point is, there are
no geographic exceptions, there are no due process requirements, and
(21:10):
there is absolutely zero meaningful ability for a citizen, once
contacted by the Chinese Communist Party to say no. You
say yes. Now what you think about the implications of that.
A Chinese graduate student in physics that t is under
(21:31):
this law legally obligated to assist Beijing's Ministry of State
Security should it ever come calling. He might be compelled
to pass along blueprints, forward some emails, record a document, conversations,
surveil your students, your professors, go to a seminar, pick
(21:57):
up all of the materials, record, you know, go to
this particular panel. They're going to be discussing something that
we're interested in, and well, we want you to do
it for us. Your failure to comply with any of
those requests doesn't include a personal choice.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
It is a criminal.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Offense under Chinese law, and your compliance is expected. Doesn't
make any difference whether the student resides in Shanghai or
San Francisco. It doesn't make any difference whether you're going
to the University of Denver or or the MIT. So
the presence of Chinese nationals on American campuses is more
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than a matter of oh student exchange programs. It is,
by virtue of Chinese law, a latent national security vulnerability.
Are you aware that some universities in this country had
(23:00):
been warned by our intelligence community that some of the
students attending their campuses are actually being approached and ordered
by the Chinese security ministry to do certain things UCLA, Stanford,
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University of Utah, the University of Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Northwestern in Chicago,
University Indiana, Rice, University in Texas, Cornell, NYU, Penn Virginia,
just to name a few. And I know that, well,
I doubt this audience would. But when I've talked to
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some of when I've talked to have to be careful here.
When I've talked to people about this, some have said, well,
you're being too speculative that only a minority of students
would ever be asked to spy. Okay, so what's your
you know, my retort to this one individual was in particular. Okay, Well,
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let's say that that's true, that only a minority is
ever asked to spy. What level is acceptable to you?
If there are five thousand students, is one percent acceptable,
it's ten percent? Five hundred of them is twenty five
to fifty per unacceptable? What's the acceptable number? Because that
(24:32):
retort of is only a small number that misses the
entire structural point. The threat lies not in what Chinese
students choose to do, but what what what are they
legally compelled to do by their own government? In a
constitutional republic like ours, we kind of presume that individuals
act according to conscience or they act according to law.
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Sometimes those are in sync, sometimes they are not. But
under the framework the Chinese Communist Party, it is the
party that defines the law, It is the party that
defines conscience, and it is the party that sets the
boundary between being a private citizen and a state operative
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And it isn't making a difference what you think. It
makes no difference whatsoever. This is not a hypothetical. The
Department of Justice has explicitly warned that colleges and universities
all across this country are vulnerable to infiltration by Chinese
intelligence operatives, and according to some Department of Justice assessments,
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the motives of some of these international students actually extend
way beyond just an academic pursuit and include the transfer
of sensitive knowledge, the transfer of a sensitive technology back
to the Chinese government. I mention just a few universities
you and I just mentioned a few, because more than
sixty all the way from the Pac twelve over to
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the Big Twelve, including the Ivy League, they've all been
warned of active efforts by Chinese nationals to exploit their
academic access for the benefit of the Chinese Ministry of Security.
Let's come back to twenty twenty one. In October twenty
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twenty one, the Department of Justice finished a decade long
investigation that culminated in charges against four Chinese nationals that
were accused of conspiring to recruit American professors, to recruit
federal law enforcement officers and some state homeland security officials
(26:45):
to recruit them as what well as agents of the
Chinese Communist Party. A professor at the University of Texas,
Bou Mao, was accused of having his university credentials to
obtain proprietary technology from a Silicon Valley startup, which he
then transferred to a Walway subsidiary. The chairman of Harvard's
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chemistry department was arrested because he was concealing his involvement
in a Chinese talent recruitment program, and the very same
day that he was arrested, a former Boston University student
was charged with visa fraud because she hid her rank
as a lieutenant in the PLA. The I'm sorry, the
People's Liberation Army. Oh, there's other documentary cases. There's lots
(27:33):
of them. The Chinese cancer researcher affiliated with Harvard, that
Yahoo stole lab materials. A UCLA scholar convicted for exporting
missile technology, the Illinois Institute, I'm sorry, the Illinois the
Illinois Institute of Technology charged with recruiting spies for Chinese intelligence.
So you get the drift. This is not isolated. This
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is an indicator of a sy make strategy by the
Chinese Communist Party. There is no way that you cannot
recognize that a lot of our ideas, our technology, the
research that we do, innovation that's often incubated on university
(28:21):
campuses where our science and technology often originates. That's why
it's the most prime place to steal. And it's not
just in terms of science and technology. The NIH, the
National Institutes of Health, they put out the same kind
of warning. Particularly it feels like biomedical science. But it's
(28:45):
not just. I mean, look, I get to think about it.
It's defense, it's energy, it goes its health, it's technology,
it's mathematics, chemistry, everything that you can possibly imagine. I
don't think there's a country poses a greater, more severe
or long term threat to our national security and our
economic prosperity in the communist China. As I've said many
(29:08):
times on the Weekday program, China is an existential threat
to this country. And China's communist government's goals, simply put,
is to replace us as the singular superpower on this planet.
And they will break the law, they will infiltrate and
do whatever they can to get whatever technology, data, science, innovation,
(29:33):
whatever it is, to steal it and to use it
then against us. Oh, it's even worse. It's the Weekend
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we are, we we we've got We know we have
Chinese nationals coming into the country illegally. We know we
have Chinese nationals in the country who are here on
student visas. We know we have Chinese nationals who are
in this country who are here on tourist visas. So
we got Chinese everywhere. Look to your left, look dear right,
(31:27):
you'll find it. You'll find a Chinese person somewhere. Now,
I'm not saying they're all spies, they're not all engaged
in espionage. But why are we not doing something where
we know, for example, from going back to that earlier study,
(31:47):
we know that they do this. We've known for at
least four years now, it'll be it'll be five years
soon that we've known they've been doing. The Department of
Justice itself, even the Biden administration admitted that this was
going on. So I know that. I don't think I
(32:09):
should say I don't think the majority of these students, visitors,
or anybody else that's here legally or illegally, are necessarily spies.
They're not necessarily villains. In many cases, they're probably victims
of their own own government's paranoia in coercion, because the
Ministry of State Security has a unequivocally documented pattern of
(32:35):
pressuring Chinese nationals abroad by simply threatening the members of
their families that are still back in China they're on
the mainland, so that renders any resistance really pretty much unthinkable.
But just because there's victimhood does not erase vulnerability. You know,
(33:00):
a foreign student can be absolutely innocent in intent and
dangerous in potential. In other words, maybe they haven't been
approached yet and they're innocently here working, studying and doing
everything right, and maybe at some point maybe they want
to defect, maybe they want to go back and try
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to change your own country, which I wish them well.
But be that as it may. Our visa policy ought
to account that a foreign student can be innocent until
they're not. So if that's the case, then the President
(33:46):
and the Secretary of State, just as we're doing with
let me back up a second. We've designated hamas has belaw,
the Hohothies, you know, all these different organizations as terrorist organizations.
We know what China's world domination attempt is. So why
(34:13):
are we not deporting Chinese students? Why are we not
focused on because the court is now ruled that here
is a student at Columbia who is pro Palestinian who
is actively supporting hamas well, if we want to be
(34:36):
if we want to be careful, that we don't, you know,
deport someone who has not done anything wrong yet. Although
I still maintain that a Chinese student is innocent until
they're not, meaning that at any moment they could become
guilty of succumbing to state security. Why are we least
focusing and trying to find those who've come here illegally
(34:59):
because they have a presumption that they're not here for
innocent purposes. There's a presumption that they are not here
because they can they cross the border illegally, So why
not go find them?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Now?
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I understand that right now we're focused on criminals, and
I'm all for that, but why can't we do Why
can't we walk into gum at the same time, Why
can't I also start trying to find those Chinese nationals
who have come here illegally and start focusing on them
also because I see them as great of a threat
(35:37):
to our national sovereignty, to our cultural cohesion, to public safety,
to whatever descriptor you want to use, as are the
criminals from South America. I think that Chinese nationals who
have come here illegally are as large of a threat
as say Trenda arragua is. They may not be the
(36:01):
Chinese nationals may not be engaging in, you know, cutting
out people's hearts, but they're certainly cutting out our technology,
cutting out our science, cutting out our innovation, and shipping
that in freezer bags back east. We got to stop it.
It's it's and there's precedent. You know, during the Cold War,
(36:24):
for example, we restricted visas to Soviet nationals on similar grounds. Well,
if that logic was sound during the Cold War, we're
engaging the Cold War right now with the Chinese Communist Party.
Why not restrict start restricting the Chinese nationals, And why
don't we get the Chinese nationals who came here in
particularly illegal because they're presumptively bad, and shipped them home.
(36:47):
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