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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A San Francisco school district saw obviously how well participation
trophies worked for sports, so now they want to implement
grading for equity. It includes no homework and no weekly testing.
It also says an a is at eighty percent and
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you could pass the class at twenty one percent. I'm
sure that will work very, very well for them in
their adult careers.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Oh, merits is so overrated. Well, what's a little great
inflation amongst friends? Hey, I'm John Caldera in for Michael Brown.
Give me a call three or three seven one, three
eight two five five seven to one three talk all right. So,
I don't know if you know this. I've tried to
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keep it a secret. It's personal. I figure this is
a good time to to talk about it publicly, even
though it makes me rather uncomfortable. I'm bald. Yeah, I
have no hair on the top of my head. It's
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something I've never spoken about publicly. I I don't want
anyone to know. And I identify as someone with a
lot of hair. I mean, I I got I got
a mullet.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
That's how I identify. I mean, I got an afro.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Actually, back when I had hair, I didn't have an
afro if I let my hair grow now and look
like Bozo, just be curly on the sides and grow out.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
But man, I had luscious locks.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Oh, it was gorgeous, And in my heart I know
I was born a man with hair. I am born
a man with That's who I am. But the problem is,
I've I've gone to the insurance companies and I said, hey,
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I identify as as a guy with hair, and I
need some hair affirming health care.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I need. I need health care.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
To help me affirm the person I believe I am,
not the person I i I was born into.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Physically, I'm in the wrong body. I was born in
the wrong body.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
My body is someone who has a thick, luscious head
of hair. I'man glorious hair So I need.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I need.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Medical help. I need behavioral health. I need mental health.
I need psychiatric rehabilitation. I need surgical help. I need
therapeutic health. I need diagnostic, preventive, rehabilitative, and support nature
relating to the treatment of my.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
My hair dysphoria.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yet the insurance companies say, no, we're we're not paying
to buy you a new head of hair. I find
this to be discriminatory and I expect the Colorado State
government to do something about it because I was born
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in the wrong body. This is not who I am.
I am not a bald man, and it needs and
it needs to change. Now there's precedent as precedence for
what I'm demanding, because the legislature just passed. House Bill
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thirteen oh nine has been signed into.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Law, and it.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Forces health care providers insurance companies to pay for quote
gender affirming healthcare. It requires that you pay for other
people's gender affirming healthcare.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Gender affirming healthcare is defined in this bill as supplies
care services of a medical, behavioral health, mental health, psychiatric, rehabilitative, surgical, therapeutic, diagnostic, preventative, rehabilitative,
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are supportive nature relating to the treatment of gender dysphoria
parentheses gender affirming healthcare. The bill codifies gender affirming healthcare
treatments in statute and prohibits health benefit plan a health
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benefit plan insurance from denying or limiting medically necessary gender
affirming healthcare as determined and prescribed by a physical or
behavioral healthcare provider, not a medical doctor a healthcare provider.
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In addition, the bill exempts prescriptions for testosterone from the
tracking requirement of the Prescription Drug Use Moditoring Program and
blocks archived records from view.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
What does that mean. It means that.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
If if you're taking certain drugs, they can be a
secret while everybody else's drugs.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Are out in the public.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
This is.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Crazy. Now what this means? Let me let me just
read some of the bill.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I've just given you an idea of what gender affirming
healthcare means under the new law. But let's be more specific.
Gender affirming healthcare I'm reading directly from the bill. Now,
law includes the following or any combination, any combination of
the following own therapy. I'm gonna mispronounce this bliff uh plasty,
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bliss of tory plasty, eye and lids.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Basically face lifts from your eyes and lid.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Face, forehead or neck, screen, skin tightening face forehead or neck,
skin tightening, facial bone remodeling, geneoplasty. I'm gonna mispronounce this one.
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Ride dictandami for cheeks, chin or neck. Somebody who can
pronounce those things, give me a call. Let me know
how to pronounce it. Chin to cheek, chin or nose, implants,
lip lift or argument augmentation, men, w or angle augmentation,
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creation or reduction, rhinoplasty, orbital recontouring, I don't know what
that is, laser or electrolysis, hair removal, breast or chest augmentation,
reduction or construction, and genital and non genital surgery procedures. Now,
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these are all wonderful things that I would like. I
would like face, forehead and neck, skin tightening. When you
hit sixty, how to put it, You become a little old, jowly.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Would that be a good way to put it?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Now, as a guy with X Y chromosomes, if I
believe I should have xx chromosomes and be a woman,
then all of a sudden, all these services must be covered,
must be covered by insurance, which means you pay for them.
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You pay for my facial bone remodeling, you pay for
my plastic surgery, You pay for all of this good
stuff if only I feel like I should be a woman.
But as a guy who's a guy, none of this
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stuff gets covered. So as someone who has hair dysphoria,
I'm not covered.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Loophole.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
If, however, if however I I identify as a woman,
I can get my hair transplants or should be able
to I want an eyelid job. I want an eye
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job because well, I'm getting older. I wouldn't mind that
I can get that if I convince a healthcare provider
that I need this gender affirming healthcare.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Wow. Now listen to this.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Most insurance will cover things that are quote medically necessary.
This is why plastic surgery is not covered by your
health insurance. It's not medically necessary. How about this medically
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necessary as determined by the physical or behavioral health care
provider who prescribes gender affirming care. So, in other words,
by saying it's medically necessary, it is subject to the
requirements set forth in the section. All health benefit plans
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issued or renewed in the state shall shall provide. This
means you have no choice shall provide coverage for gender
affirming health care. The health care benefit plan must provide
the coverage regardless of a person's covered a covered person's
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sex or gender. That means that all this stuff, even
though it's not medically necessary, becomes medically necessary.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Wow. Tell me what what.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
You think about this one. So here's what I find fascinating.
There are some women who go through different procedures and
they can't. They can't always they can't always get everything
they want. So for instance, if if a woman needs
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skin tightening, maybe after having kids, she has to pay
out a pocket to do this.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
A man thinking he's a woman.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Doesn't. He gets that paid for by insurance after this law.
A woman who needs hormone therapy after a pregnancy, or
maybe some paramidtal some sort of other issue has to
pay out of pocket. A man wanting hormone therapy gets
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it paid for. A woman who wants hair removal services
has to pay for it. A man who thinks he's
a woman doesn't. Oh, as a guy who's overly concerned
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with hair, How is this fair? So I want to
get rid of my little mustache. If I think I'm
a woman, my insurance company has to pay to.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Remove my mustache.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
We all know those women who also have to have
a little mustache removed. They have to pay out of pocket.
That laser hair removal they've got to pay for. Now,
a woman who's recovering from breast cancer, it's not always
guaranteed insurance coverage for breast reconstruction.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
But any guy.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Who thinks he's a woman gets a boob job for free.
And then there's this question is do you have to
be a resident in Colorado or can you just come
here and sign up for the exchange and get your
stuff paid for? It is one thing, and it's a
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good thing to be tolerant of people who are trans.
We all should be. If I haven't made that clear enough,
let me make it clear. People who believe that they're
a different gender, different sex have every right to do that,
and we have every responsibility to respect their decision. It
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doesn't mean we have to use the words they demand
that we use. Doesn't mean that we need to call
them a she when that person is obviously a he.
But that person is more then has more than right
to think that he is whatever he wants to be.
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That's what being an individual is all about. But we
don't have to pay for their dysphoria. Oh wait a minute, Yes,
yes we do. Ladies, have these services paid for by
your insurance company. Would you like to have your eye
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job paid for? Would you like to have your rhinoplasty
plastic surgery paid for? Would you like to have your
breast augmentation paid for? Well, sadly you're born with the
wrong chromosomes. If you were born with with other chromosomes.
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The government would pay for all of this to happen,
all this, these procedures in order to make a man
feel like a woman is now somehow your responsibility. This
is not medically necessary. It's not a cancer treatment. It's
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it's not a treatment to keep one alive. It's a
treatment to make your body feel like what you identify.
I swear to God though, I identify as a man with
a huge mane of hair, a huge nineteen seventies hair
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band kind of set of locks. Roger Daltrey and his
prime Robert planted in his prime. That's the hair that
I think I should have.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I don't have it. That's not fair.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Why shouldn't I Why shouldn't I have these elective procedures
paid for. I identify as a guy who looks that way.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
I identify as someone who's much younger.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I have age dysphoria. GREA call three oh three seven
one three eight two five five seven one three talk.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I'm John Caldera. I've been discriminated against because I'm involved.
Keep it here, you're on six thirty K.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Hey, John, dragging You know this is something that's been
driving me crazy for a while and I'm not sure
if you can really put this on the radio because
the because of the subject matter, it's it's it's highly.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Personal to me.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
But I've been feeling a little effeminate lately, and when
I work in my shop, I noticed that I have
these very long, fat fingers, and I'm just curious, Well, well,
the stake cover my hand job.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I'm just curious. Have a good day by.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Well, you need your hands to do your job. Stop
stop so stop stop?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
No you know is no, we're now talking hand jobs.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
No, okay, nope, why because I'm mature now, I've grown
up and I don't make such jokes any longer.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
But it's for work. He's a a hand job. Hey,
it's John caldera dragon. Give me a call. Three oh
three seven one.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Three eight two five five. This is now Colorado law.
If you are suffering from gender dysphoria, if you think
that you are a different gender, your plastic surgery will
now be paid for by other people. If you're a
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woman and you want a facelift, no, sorry, no. If
you're a man who thinks you're a woman, your facelifts
are covered. You're a woman and you want breast augmentation
surgery for cosmetic reasons.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
No, hey, John, don't get.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
It, just out of curiosity asking for a friend. Here,
What if said guy had lost over one hundred and
fifty pounds working out and exercising, eating right for let's say,
almost five years, and has a bunch of extra skin
and really hates it.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Can can he get that covered?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
So? I know this guy, he's ugly, he is really ugly.
It's got this long red beard and he's too just
like this John guy. Yeah, he lost, he lost a
lot of weight. And how much did you lose? It's
incredible if you got over one hundred and fifty pounds. Yeah,
so dragon lost one hundred and fifty pounds.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
This friend a friend, a friend, we know friend.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Sorry, guy I knew lost one hundred and fifty pounds, which,
oh my lord, that's incredible.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
The problem is and has kept it off too.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
It doesn't matter if you keep off, doesn't matter if
you change every twenty minutes.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Here's the thing is you identify as a man.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Yeah, that's true that that that person does. Still if instead.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
You cut off that gorgeous red beard of yours.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
And said no, I'm a woman. Your skin tightening would
be paid for by other people.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
All you have to do is be a woman. You
have to switch your gender, and then all the plastic
surgery you want or your friend, I'm sorry, your friend
friend is paid for by other people. There is something
dramatically wrong in a legislature and a political movement obsessed
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with equity, obsessed with social justice. The woman who had
a masectomy but who couldn't get a reconstructive surgery covered, well,
no she doesn't. She doesn't get a boob job. But
red Beard here because he feels like a woman, A
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woman who who also lost all that weight and has
all that excess skin can't get it tightened because it's
not medically necessary. However, if red Beard or somebody like
red Beard, my friend, your friend lost all that weight
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and decides to become a woman, then all that plastic
surgery is paid for. So I had to do some
Google searches, so guyneoplasty is covered. That's facial chin augmentation.
Popular surgery enhances facial esthetics by refining the chin's appearance
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and addressing horizontal chin deficiency, soft tissue loss, and pre
jowl volume loss. That's what I got out of Google.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Go for that one. I'm gonna mispronounce this one.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Ble furroplasty, also known as eye lid surgery, procedure that
reshapes the upper end or lower eyelids to improve their
appearance and or vision.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Uh this one, I'm gonna hack rye uh.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Tidctomy rhotidectomy, also known as facelifting, a surgical procedure designed
to rejuvenate the face and neck by addressing the signs
of aging such as sagging skin, wrinkles, and deep folds.
In other words, people who have who have lost a
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lot of weight.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Hm hmm. How about this one.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Mandibular surgery refers to anything related to the men dibble,
men dibble, Yeah, I think so. The lower jawbone often
used to describe structures, nerves, other features associated with basically
your lower jaw. So all these things are now covered
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by insurance, but only for some people. Mostly serious question,
halfway funny? Does this go the other way too? So
if a woman is trying to pretend to be a man,
there are surgeries?
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Okay, I just wanted to make sure there were.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
If a woman wants to have her breasts removed, uh huh,
we have to pay for that.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Gotcha, if.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
That woman wants to have more manly features with her face,
or a woman wants to have more manly features with.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Her face, we have to pay for that.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
In a world that is consumed with equity and justice,
where is the equity for women who want these surgeries
but can't afford it, but they're available for men who
think they are women. There's an equity issue here. Well,
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quite simply, imagine what would happen if if your insurance
paid for all this stuff if you wanted it. How
many plastic surgeons would be driving huge cars now? I
mean they'd have business coming out to the wazoo because everybody
wants an eye job, everybody wants a neck lift, everybody
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wants a facelift.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Why do people who are trans get it paid for?
What is that?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
If a woman is perimenopausal and wants hormone therapy but
her insurance doesn't cover it, well, she's so well. But
a guy wants to change his testosterone levels to be
more like a woman, then why wouldn't he get it?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
He gets it for free? John, I think that.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
The the catch here is that you've got to find
a doctor to say that it's medically necessary.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Right, No, you are wrong, young Jedi. What are the
students called when they're Jedi?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Is there? Padawan?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Padawan? No, young padawan. You need to have a health
care provider. Say that a healthcare provider that doesn't have
to be a doctor. I guess I'm a little lost
on that. Then you need it as to buy a
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physical or behaveeral health care.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I don't know, But there's nothing there that says this
is a medical doctor.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
And by the way, just like when.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Those doctors who gave out marijuana prescriptions that were medically necessary,
all it takes is the one doctor who says, oh,
anybody who wants this stuff, come see me and I'll
I'll give you the form that says it's medically necessary.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
I mean, I I ask because of my friend who
has talked to his doctor and said, hey, you know,
aren't these if they're medically necessary, can they get taken
care of?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
And the doctor has stated yes.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
But but this doctor has never heard in his practice
that that has happened, that it's quote medically necessary to
get that skin removal.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Right, But now it is if you're transitioning, gotcha, you
know that's that's what's crazy about this. This is under
the guidelines of gender affirming care. That's it, gender affirming
health care. And it's all these And by the way,
it's not just it's not just the plastic surgery. It
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also applies to supplies services of medical, behavioral, mental health,
psychiatric health, rehabilitative health, surgical, therapeutic, diagnostic, preventative, rehabilitative or
supportive nature.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
So in other words, not only do.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
You get all the plastic surgery, you get to go
see your shrink and other people pay for it. If
you need diagnostics, it's paid for. If you need some therapy,
it's paid for. The problem is if this was made
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available to everybody who had insurance, our insurance would be
completely unaffordable, even more so than it is now. And
this is what happens with healthcare that states go and
they put these little mandates in. Imagine, put on your
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thinking caps, your imagination caps. Imagine if you could buy
a bare bones health care policy that did not include this.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Your policy would be cheaper.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Imagine if it didn't include weight loss or smoking cessation coverage,
which is mandated. So in other words, you go, listen,
I don't have a drug problem. I'm not going to
have a drug problem. I'm not gonna smoke cigarettes, so
I don't need to that. So get that off, that
coverage off my healthcare. What about this? What if you're
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a guy or a past child bearing age so that
you don't need to pay for pregnancy services, and you
say no, I don't need coverage for pregnancy services, Imagine
how much cheaper your insurance would be. You all know
this when it comes to your car insurance. Do you
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want do you want this coverage? You want hail coverage?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Yes no? Do you want this coverage? Yes no?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Do you want that coverage? Do you want comprehensive and
can collision? Well, it's going to cost more. But when
the state says all policies have to have this, it
means that you have less choice as a customer. You
cannot choose a policy that doesn't provide plastic surgery for
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people who are trans And you wonder why Colorado is
becoming so unaffordable. Let's take a quick breather three or
three seven, three, eight, two, five, five seven to one
three talk. I'm John Caldera and for the big man,
you're on six point thirty kW What if you told
your doctor you were transitioned, and you got the skin
flaps taken off, I mean your friend, and then you
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change your mind.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Actually, that's a pretty fair question. You mean gaming the system.
Gaming the system. Nobody would, not a soul would do.
They don't do that. Actually, I wonder because surgery sucks.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
And if you've seen, if you've seen people going through
through any plastic surgery, it looks pretty nasty. I mean,
getting cut up is getting cut up. But the idea
of House Bill now Law thirteen oh nine is that
if you are transitioning.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
All these services.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
From hormone replacement, there therapies to psychological therapies to seeing
your shrink, to all the supplies you need, UH are
are going to be paid for by the insurance company.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
So what does what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
It means you could say you're non binary, get the
work done, and then then go the other way.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
I know this guy who's lost a lot of weight.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
He wants he wants a facelift, he wants the excess
skin done. He just needs to he just needs to transition.
And once you transition, you can always transition back. I
want my hair back. This could work.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Why not for me.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
It's a bigger question than just the obvious, which is,
you know, it would should be nice to have a
boob job. I mean, I would save me from dating. Really,
you know, I could do it the old fashion way
and wait for my man boobs to in, or you know,
I could.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Just get this done. But the costs is going to
be astounding.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Colorado will be a destination state for people transitioning because
you come here and it gets paid for.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Now.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I get that Colorado wants to be the abortion tourism
state that where people come and have their abortions late
term abortions. But when people fly in for that, I
don't know if their insurance pays for It depends on
where they live and their coverage. But with this type
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of surgery, since since that type of surgery is so expensive,
wild plastic surgery, restructuring, boats and jaws, tightening, breast augmentation,
genital reconstruction, these are ridiculously expensive procedures. Since Colorado has
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gone off the deep end, every person who wants to
transition just needs to come here, go on the exchange
buy cheap policy, and it has to be covered.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
How do you feel about this? Great? I hope ladies,
Why is it that if you have a penis.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
You get a facelift for free, but if.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
You're a woman you don't. Or if you're a woman,
I guess you could say you feel like a man.
I'd like an eye job please. How is this equit
A San Francisco school district saw obviously how well participation
trophies worked for sports, so now they want to implement
grading for equity. It includes no homework and no weekly testing.
It also says an a is at eighty percent and
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you could pass the class at twenty one percent. I'm
sure that will work very, very well for them in
their adult careers.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Oh, merits is so overrated. Well, what's a little great
inflation amongst friends? Hey, I'm John Caldera in for Michael Brown.
Give me a call three or three seven one, three
eight two five five seven to one three talk all right. So,
I don't know if you know this. I've tried to
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keep it a secret. It's personal. I figure this is
a good time to to talk about it publicly, even
though it makes me rather uncomfortable. I'm bald. Yeah, I
have no hair on the top of my head. It's
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something I've never spoken about publicly. I I don't want
anyone to know. And I identify as someone with a
lot of hair. I mean, I I got I got
a mullet.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
That's how I identify. I mean, I got an afro.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Actually, back when I had hair, I didn't have an
afro if I let my hair grow now and look
like Bozo, just be curly on the sides and grow out.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
But man, I had luscious locks.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Oh, it was gorgeous, And in my heart I know
I was born a man with hair. I am born
a man with That's who I am. But the problem is,
I've I've gone to the insurance companies and I said, hey,
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I identify as as a guy with hair, and I
need some hair affirming health care.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I need. I need health care.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
To help me affirm the person I believe I am,
not the person I i I was born into.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Physically, I'm in the wrong body. I was born in
the wrong body.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
My body is someone who has a thick, luscious head
of hair. I'man glorious hair So I need.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I need.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Medical help. I need behavioral health. I need mental health.
I need psychiatric rehabilitation. I need surgical help. I need
therapeutic health. I need diagnostic, preventive, rehabilitative, and support nature
relating to the treatment of my.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
My hair dysphoria.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yet the insurance companies say, no, we're we're not paying
to buy you a new head of hair. I find
this to be discriminatory and I expect the Colorado State
government to do something about it because I was born
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in the wrong body. This is not who I am.
I am not a bald man, and it needs and
it needs to change. Now there's precedent as precedence for
what I'm demanding, because the legislature just passed. House Bill
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thirteen oh nine has been signed into.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Law, and it.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Forces health care providers insurance companies to pay for quote
gender affirming healthcare. It requires that you pay for other
people's gender affirming healthcare.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Gender affirming healthcare is defined in this bill as supplies
care services of a medical, behavioral health, mental health, psychiatric, rehabilitative, surgical, therapeutic, diagnostic, preventative, rehabilitative,
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are supportive nature relating to the treatment of gender dysphoria
parentheses gender affirming healthcare. The bill codifies gender affirming healthcare
treatments in statute and prohibits health benefit plan a health
(05:23):
benefit plan insurance from denying or limiting medically necessary gender
affirming healthcare as determined and prescribed by a physical or
behavioral healthcare provider, not a medical doctor a healthcare provider.
(05:52):
In addition, the bill exempts prescriptions for testosterone from the
tracking requirement of the Prescription Drug Use Moditoring Program and
blocks archived records from view.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
What does that mean. It means that.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
If if you're taking certain drugs, they can be a
secret while everybody else's drugs.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Are out in the public.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
This is.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Crazy. Now what this means? Let me let me just
read some of the bill.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I've just given you an idea of what gender affirming
healthcare means under the new law. But let's be more specific.
Gender affirming healthcare I'm reading directly from the bill. Now,
law includes the following or any combination, any combination of
the following own therapy. I'm gonna mispronounce this bliff uh plasty,
(07:09):
bliss of tory plasty, eye and lids.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Basically face lifts from your eyes and lid.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Face, forehead or neck, screen, skin tightening face forehead or neck,
skin tightening, facial bone remodeling, geneoplasty. I'm gonna mispronounce this one.
(07:38):
Ride dictandami for cheeks, chin or neck. Somebody who can
pronounce those things, give me a call. Let me know
how to pronounce it. Chin to cheek, chin or nose, implants,
lip lift or argument augmentation, men, w or angle augmentation,
(08:04):
creation or reduction, rhinoplasty, orbital recontouring, I don't know what
that is, laser or electrolysis, hair removal, breast or chest augmentation,
reduction or construction, and genital and non genital surgery procedures. Now,
(08:34):
these are all wonderful things that I would like. I
would like face, forehead and neck, skin tightening. When you
hit sixty, how to put it, You become a little old, jowly.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Would that be a good way to put it?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Now, as a guy with X Y chromosomes, if I
believe I should have xx chromosomes and be a woman,
then all of a sudden, all these services must be covered,
must be covered by insurance, which means you pay for them.
(09:24):
You pay for my facial bone remodeling, you pay for
my plastic surgery, You pay for all of this good
stuff if only I feel like I should be a woman.
But as a guy who's a guy, none of this
(09:46):
stuff gets covered. So as someone who has hair dysphoria,
I'm not covered.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Loophole.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
If, however, if however I I identify as a woman,
I can get my hair transplants or should be able
to I want an eyelid job. I want an eye
(10:22):
job because well, I'm getting older. I wouldn't mind that
I can get that if I convince a healthcare provider
that I need this gender affirming healthcare.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Wow. Now listen to this.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Most insurance will cover things that are quote medically necessary.
This is why plastic surgery is not covered by your
health insurance. It's not medically necessary. How about this medically
(11:16):
necessary as determined by the physical or behavioral health care
provider who prescribes gender affirming care. So, in other words,
by saying it's medically necessary, it is subject to the
requirements set forth in the section. All health benefit plans
(11:38):
issued or renewed in the state shall shall provide. This
means you have no choice shall provide coverage for gender
affirming health care. The health care benefit plan must provide
the coverage regardless of a person's covered a covered person's
(12:00):
sex or gender. That means that all this stuff, even
though it's not medically necessary, becomes medically necessary.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Wow. Tell me what what.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
You think about this one. So here's what I find fascinating.
There are some women who go through different procedures and
they can't. They can't always they can't always get everything
they want. So for instance, if if a woman needs
(12:48):
skin tightening, maybe after having kids, she has to pay
out a pocket to do this.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
A man thinking he's a woman.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Doesn't. He gets that paid for by insurance after this law.
A woman who needs hormone therapy after a pregnancy, or
maybe some paramidtal some sort of other issue has to
pay out of pocket. A man wanting hormone therapy gets
(13:22):
it paid for. A woman who wants hair removal services
has to pay for it. A man who thinks he's
a woman doesn't. Oh, as a guy who's overly concerned
(13:43):
with hair, How is this fair? So I want to
get rid of my little mustache. If I think I'm
a woman, my insurance company has to pay to.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Remove my mustache.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
We all know those women who also have to have
a little mustache removed. They have to pay out of pocket.
That laser hair removal they've got to pay for. Now,
a woman who's recovering from breast cancer, it's not always
guaranteed insurance coverage for breast reconstruction.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
But any guy.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Who thinks he's a woman gets a boob job for free.
And then there's this question is do you have to
be a resident in Colorado or can you just come
here and sign up for the exchange and get your
stuff paid for? It is one thing, and it's a
(14:50):
good thing to be tolerant of people who are trans.
We all should be. If I haven't made that clear enough,
let me make it clear. People who believe that they're
a different gender, different sex have every right to do that,
and we have every responsibility to respect their decision. It
(15:13):
doesn't mean we have to use the words they demand
that we use. Doesn't mean that we need to call
them a she when that person is obviously a he.
But that person is more then has more than right
to think that he is whatever he wants to be.
(15:34):
That's what being an individual is all about. But we
don't have to pay for their dysphoria. Oh wait a minute, Yes,
yes we do. Ladies, have these services paid for by
your insurance company. Would you like to have your eye
(15:58):
job paid for? Would you like to have your rhinoplasty
plastic surgery paid for? Would you like to have your
breast augmentation paid for? Well, sadly you're born with the
wrong chromosomes. If you were born with with other chromosomes.
(16:23):
The government would pay for all of this to happen,
all this, these procedures in order to make a man
feel like a woman is now somehow your responsibility. This
is not medically necessary. It's not a cancer treatment. It's
(16:50):
it's not a treatment to keep one alive. It's a
treatment to make your body feel like what you identify.
I swear to God though, I identify as a man with
a huge mane of hair, a huge nineteen seventies hair
(17:14):
band kind of set of locks. Roger Daltrey and his
prime Robert planted in his prime. That's the hair that
I think I should have.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I don't have it. That's not fair.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Why shouldn't I Why shouldn't I have these elective procedures
paid for. I identify as a guy who looks that way.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
I identify as someone who's much younger.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I have age dysphoria. GREA call three oh three seven
one three eight two five five seven one three talk.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I'm John Caldera. I've been discriminated against because I'm involved.
Keep it here, you're on six thirty K.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Hey, John, dragging You know this is something that's been
driving me crazy for a while and I'm not sure
if you can really put this on the radio because
the because of the subject matter, it's it's it's highly.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Personal to me.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
But I've been feeling a little effeminate lately, and when
I work in my shop, I noticed that I have
these very long, fat fingers, and I'm just curious, Well, well,
the stake cover my hand job.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I'm just curious. Have a good day by.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Well, you need your hands to do your job. Stop
stop so stop stop?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
No you know is no, we're now talking hand jobs.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
No, okay, nope, why because I'm mature now, I've grown
up and I don't make such jokes any longer.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
But it's for work. He's a a hand job. Hey,
it's John caldera dragon. Give me a call. Three oh
three seven one.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Three eight two five five. This is now Colorado law.
If you are suffering from gender dysphoria, if you think
that you are a different gender, your plastic surgery will
now be paid for by other people. If you're a
(19:35):
woman and you want a facelift, no, sorry, no. If
you're a man who thinks you're a woman, your facelifts
are covered. You're a woman and you want breast augmentation
surgery for cosmetic reasons.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
No, hey, John, don't get.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
It, just out of curiosity asking for a friend. Here,
What if said guy had lost over one hundred and
fifty pounds working out and exercising, eating right for let's say,
almost five years, and has a bunch of extra skin
and really hates it.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Can can he get that covered?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
So? I know this guy, he's ugly, he is really ugly.
It's got this long red beard and he's too just
like this John guy. Yeah, he lost, he lost a
lot of weight. And how much did you lose? It's
incredible if you got over one hundred and fifty pounds. Yeah,
so dragon lost one hundred and fifty pounds.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
This friend a friend, a friend, we know friend.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Sorry, guy I knew lost one hundred and fifty pounds, which,
oh my lord, that's incredible.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
The problem is and has kept it off too.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
It doesn't matter if you keep off, doesn't matter if
you change every twenty minutes.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Here's the thing is you identify as a man.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Yeah, that's true that that that person does. Still if instead.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
You cut off that gorgeous red beard of yours.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
And said no, I'm a woman. Your skin tightening would
be paid for by other people.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
All you have to do is be a woman. You
have to switch your gender, and then all the plastic
surgery you want or your friend, I'm sorry, your friend
friend is paid for by other people. There is something
dramatically wrong in a legislature and a political movement obsessed
(21:41):
with equity, obsessed with social justice. The woman who had
a masectomy but who couldn't get a reconstructive surgery covered, well,
no she doesn't. She doesn't get a boob job. But
red Beard here because he feels like a woman, A
(22:02):
woman who who also lost all that weight and has
all that excess skin can't get it tightened because it's
not medically necessary. However, if red Beard or somebody like
red Beard, my friend, your friend lost all that weight
(22:23):
and decides to become a woman, then all that plastic
surgery is paid for. So I had to do some
Google searches, so guyneoplasty is covered. That's facial chin augmentation.
Popular surgery enhances facial esthetics by refining the chin's appearance
(22:47):
and addressing horizontal chin deficiency, soft tissue loss, and pre
jowl volume loss. That's what I got out of Google.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Go for that one. I'm gonna mispronounce this one.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Ble furroplasty, also known as eye lid surgery, procedure that
reshapes the upper end or lower eyelids to improve their
appearance and or vision.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Uh this one, I'm gonna hack rye uh.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Tidctomy rhotidectomy, also known as facelifting, a surgical procedure designed
to rejuvenate the face and neck by addressing the signs
of aging such as sagging skin, wrinkles, and deep folds.
In other words, people who have who have lost a
(23:47):
lot of weight.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Hm hmm. How about this one.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Mandibular surgery refers to anything related to the men dibble,
men dibble, Yeah, I think so. The lower jawbone often
used to describe structures, nerves, other features associated with basically
your lower jaw. So all these things are now covered
(24:17):
by insurance, but only for some people. Mostly serious question,
halfway funny? Does this go the other way too? So
if a woman is trying to pretend to be a man,
there are surgeries?
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Okay, I just wanted to make sure there were.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
If a woman wants to have her breasts removed, uh huh,
we have to pay for that.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Gotcha, if.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
That woman wants to have more manly features with her face,
or a woman wants to have more manly features with.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Her face, we have to pay for that.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
In a world that is consumed with equity and justice,
where is the equity for women who want these surgeries
but can't afford it, but they're available for men who
think they are women. There's an equity issue here. Well,
(25:14):
quite simply, imagine what would happen if if your insurance
paid for all this stuff if you wanted it. How
many plastic surgeons would be driving huge cars now? I
mean they'd have business coming out to the wazoo because everybody
wants an eye job, everybody wants a neck lift, everybody
(25:36):
wants a facelift.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Why do people who are trans get it paid for?
What is that?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
If a woman is perimenopausal and wants hormone therapy but
her insurance doesn't cover it, well, she's so well. But
a guy wants to change his testosterone levels to be
more like a woman, then why wouldn't he get it?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
He gets it for free? John, I think that.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
The the catch here is that you've got to find
a doctor to say that it's medically necessary.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Right, No, you are wrong, young Jedi. What are the
students called when they're Jedi?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Is there? Padawan?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Padawan? No, young padawan. You need to have a health
care provider. Say that a healthcare provider that doesn't have
to be a doctor. I guess I'm a little lost
on that. Then you need it as to buy a
(26:54):
physical or behaveeral health care.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I don't know, But there's nothing there that says this
is a medical doctor.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
And by the way, just like when.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Those doctors who gave out marijuana prescriptions that were medically necessary,
all it takes is the one doctor who says, oh,
anybody who wants this stuff, come see me and I'll
I'll give you the form that says it's medically necessary.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
I mean, I I ask because of my friend who
has talked to his doctor and said, hey, you know,
aren't these if they're medically necessary, can they get taken
care of?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
And the doctor has stated yes.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
But but this doctor has never heard in his practice
that that has happened, that it's quote medically necessary to
get that skin removal.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Right, But now it is if you're transitioning, gotcha, you
know that's that's what's crazy about this. This is under
the guidelines of gender affirming care. That's it, gender affirming
health care. And it's all these And by the way,
it's not just it's not just the plastic surgery. It
(28:19):
also applies to supplies services of medical, behavioral, mental health,
psychiatric health, rehabilitative health, surgical, therapeutic, diagnostic, preventative, rehabilitative or
supportive nature.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
So in other words, not only do.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
You get all the plastic surgery, you get to go
see your shrink and other people pay for it. If
you need diagnostics, it's paid for. If you need some therapy,
it's paid for. The problem is if this was made
(29:02):
available to everybody who had insurance, our insurance would be
completely unaffordable, even more so than it is now. And
this is what happens with healthcare that states go and
they put these little mandates in. Imagine, put on your
(29:22):
thinking caps, your imagination caps. Imagine if you could buy
a bare bones health care policy that did not include this.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Your policy would be cheaper.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Imagine if it didn't include weight loss or smoking cessation coverage,
which is mandated. So in other words, you go, listen,
I don't have a drug problem. I'm not going to
have a drug problem. I'm not gonna smoke cigarettes, so
I don't need to that. So get that off, that
coverage off my healthcare. What about this? What if you're
(29:58):
a guy or a past child bearing age so that
you don't need to pay for pregnancy services, and you
say no, I don't need coverage for pregnancy services, Imagine
how much cheaper your insurance would be. You all know
this when it comes to your car insurance. Do you
(30:21):
want do you want this coverage? You want hail coverage?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Yes no? Do you want this coverage? Yes no?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Do you want that coverage? Do you want comprehensive and
can collision? Well, it's going to cost more. But when
the state says all policies have to have this, it
means that you have less choice as a customer. You
cannot choose a policy that doesn't provide plastic surgery for
(30:52):
people who are trans And you wonder why Colorado is
becoming so unaffordable. Let's take a quick breather three or
three seven, three, eight, two, five, five seven to one
three talk. I'm John Caldera and for the big man,
you're on six point thirty kW What if you told
your doctor you were transitioned, and you got the skin
flaps taken off, I mean your friend, and then you
(31:15):
change your mind.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Actually, that's a pretty fair question. You mean gaming the system.
Gaming the system. Nobody would, not a soul would do.
They don't do that. Actually, I wonder because surgery sucks.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
And if you've seen, if you've seen people going through
through any plastic surgery, it looks pretty nasty. I mean,
getting cut up is getting cut up. But the idea
of House Bill now Law thirteen oh nine is that
if you are transitioning.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
All these services.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
From hormone replacement, there therapies to psychological therapies to seeing
your shrink, to all the supplies you need, UH are
are going to be paid for by the insurance company.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
So what does what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
It means you could say you're non binary, get the
work done, and then then go the other way.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
I know this guy who's lost a lot of weight.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
He wants he wants a facelift, he wants the excess
skin done. He just needs to he just needs to transition.
And once you transition, you can always transition back. I
want my hair back. This could work.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Why not for me.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
It's a bigger question than just the obvious, which is,
you know, it would should be nice to have a
boob job. I mean, I would save me from dating. Really,
you know, I could do it the old fashion way
and wait for my man boobs to in, or you know,
I could.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Just get this done. But the costs is going to
be astounding.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Colorado will be a destination state for people transitioning because
you come here and it gets paid for.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Now.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I get that Colorado wants to be the abortion tourism
state that where people come and have their abortions late
term abortions. But when people fly in for that, I
don't know if their insurance pays for It depends on
where they live and their coverage. But with this type
(33:48):
of surgery, since since that type of surgery is so expensive,
wild plastic surgery, restructuring, boats and jaws, tightening, breast augmentation,
genital reconstruction, these are ridiculously expensive procedures. Since Colorado has
(34:16):
gone off the deep end, every person who wants to
transition just needs to come here, go on the exchange
buy cheap policy, and it has to be covered.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
How do you feel about this? Great? I hope ladies,
Why is it that if you have a penis.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
You get a facelift for free, but if.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
You're a woman you don't. Or if you're a woman,
I guess you could say you feel like a man.
I'd like an eye job please. How is this equit
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