May 18, 2026 • 17 mins
On the Jim Colbert Show Attorney "Friendly" Ray Traendly of TK Law discusses the story of "Chud the Builder" ragebaiting people in public that resulting in a shooting.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Jim. There's dead Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Casey's here as well today in every single Monday around
this time, we have a very good friend from TK
law to drop by. That's one firm for wife dot
com guys getting loud for.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Mister Riley offices in Longwood and d Land.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
How you doing, buddy, I'm doing well. How are you
all doing good? You're looking very cash today. I like this,
Ray Trendley.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I was in depositions all day today and so after
like six hours of grilling people, I figured take my
jacket off alas a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
You enjoy that.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I like you when a plan comes together, and so
it's it's nice to successfully get what you want out
of people, because people don't really come to those types
of things and say, let me just open up all
the dirty laundry I have and let you see it all.
So you know, I've got a very methodical plan on
how I get people to open up to me. I
use my friendly side and then start chatting a little bit,
(00:55):
and I'm like, you know what you said this earlier
that doesn't quite jive with what this says.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
And I repeat a statement you made twenty seconds ago
that's right now. You don't mediate, right, because that's it
isn't that a totally different discipline of law altogether.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I mean, i will mediate on behalf of clients, but
I'm not the mediator, right right, right, Yeah, Steve is
trained as a mediator. It's just not my role yet.
When I'm I don't know, old and ready to retire,
I think I'll mediate.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I learned about that, I don't know about four or five,
six months ago or so that you know, mediation are
people who mediate during you know, during mediations. You they
can be attorneys, but as a rule that's a specific
discipline in the legal world that I did not know.
I just thought every attorney kind of had to be
able to do that.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
No, many hours of training, certifications, all kinds of other stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
That's crazy, man.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
It's good though, because it gives people an opportunity to
resolve their case on their terms that a judge tell
them with the deal.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Absolutely, it gives you time to negotiate so that and
you just bring the final final decision to the judge.
The judge looks at both people and says, are you
okay with this? You say yeah, and off you go.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Right, It's right, Robert stamping go home.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
That's a pretty good way to do it is bad,
all right, So buddy, we a couple of weeks ago,
I had mentioned this guy that rolled through my uh
social media feed, and I brought it up on the
show and I got a little sideways action from the
texting time.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I'm curious about what's going on your feet?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That's exactly what they said. They were like, what are
you watching, dude? But this guy popped up because he
was very popular. I watched like thirty seconds of his video,
and then, of course, like with anything on Insta, you
watched twenty seconds of it and you're about to get
a whole bunch of it. And I did, and I
could not believe what. I saw this guy walking through
Nashville with a can of bear mace and I guess
he had a weapon on him as well, you know,
calling black people the in word to their face and
(02:33):
telling him you know, he pick up my hat in
word yeah, and you know, all this stuff. And then
and then when they would start acting, you know, they
would be like, you know, like I'm gonna pop his ass.
Whatever upset you go, Okay, don't chimp out on me.
Don't chimp out on me even more insulting, over and over.
And you know, I think we kind of knew this
guy was something was gonna happen at some point. I
(02:54):
just didn't think he was gonna be a roll around
and do that over and over again until something happened.
And of course something did happen. You know, he said
this to somebody. Somebody said, hey, look I have PTSD.
You keep saying that to me, Something's gonna happen. The
dude punches him. He pulls his gun out, and he
shoots him, and in the sort of shooting him, he
shoots him in the stomach, and then actually he shoots
himself as well. And now he's in jail on an
attempted murder charge with a one point twenty five million
(03:15):
dollars bond, looking at sixty plus years in jail. The
question here is this, how far does free speech go
and how does stand your groundwork in situations like this?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Well, first, free speech is a restriction on the government.
So the government can't infringe your speech. Right, So the
idea of like I want to protest to our president
is right. I can say I don't like our president,
and that's my free speech. The government can't say I
can't do that. They can't arrest me for that. Religion
falls under that too. I have the ability to believe
(03:47):
what I want to believe in the government can't tell
me Otherwise. You go around saying the N word to people,
somebody's gonna say something back or do something back to you.
You know. That's called provocation, and it's generally not a
good idea to go around and mess with people who
you don't know who they are. Two of the most
(04:07):
dangerous people I've ever met in my entire life are
smaller than me, skinnier than me, but the scariest people
I've ever met my entire life. Sure you, and you
say that to one of them, you may not wake
up ever again. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and and and
so you know people, but is it protected ray? That's
the thing that because here's the thing. What I heard
(04:27):
was to stand your ground because they said, well, Tennessee
and Florida both have standing your ground, And of course
we know with what was that what was that pos
that did that out in Sandford? George George Zimmerman right
opened that kind of door for that whole questionable stand
your ground scenario. And then somebody says, well, in Tennessee,
there is definitely stand your ground. But if you provocate,
if you go in and create a scenario and then
(04:48):
you have to defend yourself from the scenario you've created,
it doesn't really apply there. Yeah, And so generally stay
in your ground is really about whether or not you
have a duty to retreat, Like, do I have a
duty an obligation that I try to run away from
the harm before I confront it with deadly force? Like
that's this whole idea of standing your ground is that
I don't have to do that. You come at me
(05:10):
with a knife and you're right, and you're and you're
pointing it at me like you're gonna stab me. I
can shoot you. I don't have to try to run
across the side of her room get away from it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Because I feel an iminent threat to my life because
you're holding a weapon and you're showing me that you're
willing to at least uh act like you're going to
use it.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
That's right, And so that's really what we're talking about.
We're talking about stage your ground now, the provocation generally speaking,
along the different states, you can't create an incident and
then use self defense as you're Oh, I had. But
what we're really talking about in a situation like this
is that there's been an escalation, right, so and so
(05:48):
each escalation sometimes gets another examination. So like if I say, Jim,
I don't like you because you're bald, right, and then
you pull a gun on me, you've now escalated. Right now,
if I pull a gun on you, I could use
deadly force because you've now escalated.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Brandish my weapon. That's right, right, and then and the
person that that is on the other end of that
doesn't know if I plan on using it or not.
So theoretically I can pull my gun and shoot you
even if you don't point it at me, because I
don't know what you're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And apparently with Chudu, which is a terrible name, Yeah, yeah,
with chud apparently there's videos with him doing that exact thing.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Oh, he does it over and over.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
No, he says something to somebody, they come at him,
and he pulls his gun out like I'm going to
use this, puts his hand on his gun or whatever.
Big mistake, and and I think that's really.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And there's video evidence of this, by the way, tons
of it, and.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I think that's really where I think he's gonna have
the most problems in this case. Is you know, this
is right outside of courthouse, by the way, Yeah, he
was just in court for some civil issues.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
He has some other bonds and stuff out as well,
that's why his bond was so high.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
And yeah, so he was out on bond already when
this happens. He's outside of courthouse. Courthouses have cameras everywhere.
He's he's antagonizing these people, and the and the way
I read this story with he started to blade himself.
So the except for people who are not super familiar
to firearms or self defense, blading is where you, instead
of like standing face to face like Jim and I
(07:07):
are right now, I turned my body so that way,
like he's getting half of my body, which gives me
the ability to grab my gun without with you know,
the ability to create distance between him and I pull
my gun and start shooting him, which according to what
I saw online, he started to blade himself before the
guy even approached him, and so so it's not against
(07:30):
the law, but what it shows is an intent to
use his firearm potentially right even before the provocations returned,
and now the guy makes a threat to him, and
now he's gotta use debt force, which I think he's
gonna have a hard time proving, but he's showing that
early on. And then you know, again, I don't see
anywhere in any of the stories where the other person
(07:53):
put their hands on him or threatened him. They just said, hey,
you can't do that stuff to.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Right PTSD, I'll knock your ass out or something like that.
And he's arks reports the guy started coming at him
a little bit well, and so I guess he was
walking towards him.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I saw that. But then he uses deadly force. And
so you know, when we're talking about self defense conceptually
is you can match force with like force.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So you push me, I push you right, And let
me ask you a quick question. We're going any farther.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
If let's say the guy who who did wind up
punching him and got shot, let's say he had seen
the videos, Yeah, and he had a precedent in his mind.
This guy has a gun and he, you know, is
willing to use that. Will that information or could that
information come into court like a precedent set by online
information that the guy chud himself put out there.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I mean, can could could that come into play?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Probably doesn't come in on a murder trial. It might
come in on the stander ground issue, gotcha, because that's
usually outside of the jury with the judge and it's
really a matter of law.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And anytime you shoot at somebody is at an automatic
attempted murder cross charge.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
No, So for so personally, personally, I think that the
attempted murder charge maybe is a little bit of a
stretch because in order for you to do that, you
have to prove the intent. That's why I was talking
about the bladed action. But you go into that altercation
with the intent to kill somebody or that's part of
the elements for that crime.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Why wouldn't they just choose attempted manslaughter then.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Or reckless endangerment with you know, with risk the great
part of the harm. I'm gonna tell you this is
completely unfounded. So this is just me talking out my
but I think that there's a lot of political pressure
when you have somebody who's saying those types of things
and doing that kind of thing right outside of courthouse,
that you have to set an example and you have
(09:43):
to throw the book at somebody. And again I'm not
saying that's the case. I'm not saying there's no evidence
to support their their charge, but I'm guessing that there's
some political pressure to keep people happy and make sure
that this guy's being made an example of and that
this won't continue to happen.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Let me ask you a tough question. Okay, do you
mind a tough question?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I don't mind it, but I might wig laugh and
we'll see. Okay, that word is unique, Okay, Okay, the
N word is unique? Yes, right, because if you call
a black person the in word, it is something that
can't be replicated culturally the other way around.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Understand, a black person can't call me anything where I
get so incited that I want to draw my weapon.
I don't care how many times he says it. He
can call my mom names, whatever, I'm never going to
get to that point because I don't have those years
of oppression that brought that word to power. Now, So
how is that How does that factor legally? Does that
(10:40):
actually offer the case more credibility because the power of
that word and how it's been established in American culture
or not?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah? So that's actually a really fantastic question. So the
standard that we use in the legal system is a
reasonable person. So what a reasonable person awesome? Hereing that word,
would they respond in a way that you know would
be aggressive? And I'm with you, I can't put myself
(11:10):
quite in those shoes to explain, but I can tell
you I've got enough friends and I've seen it said
enough that I know how people react to it. And
you know, I will say I hate to say it
this way. To Chud's credit, when he was talking to
law enforcement, which he never should have done, while recording
himself and streaming the entire thing, he's telling people, you
(11:35):
know these people, I think he says rich people. I
don't remember exactly the terminology used, but my algorithms also
probably messed up now because I've watched all these videos.
He said that these rich people keep telling people to
come fight me, and this is what happens, right, And
what it looked like to me from what he was
trying to say is somebody else is instigating this happening
(11:56):
and trying to get me to be a victim here.
And I think he recognizes that that word is so
emotionally charged, sure that somebody was going to respond this
kind of way and that this is his opportunity for
a payday, because there's not a lot of people who
go into something which is as traumatic and emotional as
(12:17):
a gunfight and walks out of it saying, well, here's
how everybody is conspiring against me. And so when you
say this that have a factor into it. I can't
help but think that his text messages, his emails, his
correspondence with his agent. I don't know if he has
an agent, but all these things are going to come
(12:39):
out where maybe he is trying to bait somebody into
coming after him so he can kind of be this martyr,
so to speak. And again I don't know any of
that to be the case, but it's just a very
odd set of circumstances, the way it was all framed up.
And then immediately afterwards he's like, people are trying to
get me to, you know, be this victim.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Now, let me ask you a question. Okay, how much
do you think his funding campaign has raised so far?
I don't want to And by the way, I said
the number earlier and it's gone up.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Uh. I don't want to underestimate or overestimate. I'm gonna
say two hundred and fifty thousand dollars two hundred and
eighteen thousand dollars as of right now. According to AI,
his real name is Dalton Etherly or Etherly, known online
as Chud, the Builder has raised more than two hundred
and eighteen thousand dollars now. And that's it's not go fundme.
(13:28):
It's called giftsen Go. It's a Christian crowdfunding campaign. Interesting,
it's a.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Christian crowdfunding platform that has two hundred and eighteen thousand
dollars for a guy walking around calling black people the
N word and trying to incite them into violence. A
Christian funded thing? Is that the most instant, by the way,
And is it really Christian funded? It's discouraged.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
It's it's giftsen Go, which I believe is a Christian
go fundme thing.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
You know, we should always love each other.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Oh yeah, we should just love each other, shouldn't we.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's kind of wild how that happens because the other guy,
I think only raised like forty the guy who was shot. Now,
I think that guy's got some sketchy stuff in his past.
Not that that stops it or or changes anything, but
when you look at the totality of both people. And
you see that this guy's getting funded to the point of,
you know, two hundred and eighteen thousand dollars, and I
guess he was online. This is according to a room
I heard he was online not even two months ago,
like begging his kick his kick platform guys to pay
(14:26):
money because he didn't have any money.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And I, oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
He was also addressed as a ferry back in the day.
They found that pretty quickly on him as well. Not
a good look for jud I.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Don't think the victims past comes in at all for
the court process. I don't think the victims pass really
comes in.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Definitely won't because that's nothing to do with this situation here.
But it's also funny too because I remember when there
are certain crimes that have been that have been committed
and a GoFundMe or a crowd funding platform has raised
money that the platform itself has shut the money down
because of the nature of the crime. And I can't
believe this hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
That happened didn't happen with the lady. I think it
was mountain door. Was she shot through the door? As
I say, you're right, that did happen another racially motivated murder. Yeah,
or a yes, because she shut the one through the
door in front of her. I think she did get charged.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah she did. Yeah, Oh yeah she did for sure.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
And so you're right, I forgot about that. But yeah,
and I don't know what the the give fund go
give send goo what there uh in terms of of
youse are But you know, I don't know. Yeah, it's
just so it's hard to look at the situation and
look at it as a situation where the world would
(15:45):
be better off with somebody walking around public squares saying
to this these things to people if for no other reason,
we as a country need to be coming together more
and not not trying to find ways of pick fights.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I just went over to Gibson Go and it doesn't
really say anything. Well, no, yes, says God's calling for
the Yeah, I guess there are some there are some
indications that may it may have some faith based some
faith based. N't even double check here. Yeah, it doesn't
really say anything. Even in the about it doesn't say
anything about it being faith based. But there was a
couple things right up front that said there were that
(16:22):
that was the case, that it was a faith based scenario.
And there are a couple of crosses on here that
doesn't really mean anything, but that's what I've heard about it.
And by the way, with all this action here, it's
nothing on the front page of this about Chud the
builders getting money from these guys.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Well, and I got I've got one question, and I'm
just gonna throw out there to the universe because this
is one part I don't understand. If he was just
leaving the courthouse, where did he get this gun?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
That's exactly what I thought. That's God almighty dude, that's
literally like, where's this guy put this gun? He came
from a.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Courthouse, So so again it all seems sketch sketch. Yeah, yeah,
you know, so that like maybe somebody who's waiting out
there with him with.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
A god, dude, wild, I don't know, all right, four
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Speaker 4 (17:09):
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Speaker 1 (17:22):
We'll talk about that next during you heard it here? First,
a right take a little break.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
We'll come back into a few more minutes with Ray,
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Monday
I'm Jim. There's dead Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Casey's here as well today in every single Monday around
this time, we have a very good friend from TK
law to drop by. That's one firm for wife dot
com guys getting loud for.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Mister Riley offices in Longwood and d Land.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
How you doing, buddy, I'm doing well. How are you
all doing good? You're looking very cash today. I like this,
Ray Trendley.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I was in depositions all day today and so after
like six hours of grilling people, I figured take my
jacket off alas a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
You enjoy that.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I like you when a plan comes together, and so
it's it's nice to successfully get what you want out
of people, because people don't really come to those types
of things and say, let me just open up all
the dirty laundry I have and let you see it all.
So you know, I've got a very methodical plan on
how I get people to open up to me. I
use my friendly side and then start chatting a little bit,
(00:55):
and I'm like, you know what you said this earlier
that doesn't quite jive with what this says.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
And I repeat a statement you made twenty seconds ago
that's right now. You don't mediate, right, because that's it
isn't that a totally different discipline of law altogether.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I mean, i will mediate on behalf of clients, but
I'm not the mediator, right right, right, Yeah, Steve is
trained as a mediator. It's just not my role yet.
When I'm I don't know, old and ready to retire,
I think I'll mediate.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I learned about that, I don't know about four or five,
six months ago or so that you know, mediation are
people who mediate during you know, during mediations. You they
can be attorneys, but as a rule that's a specific
discipline in the legal world that I did not know.
I just thought every attorney kind of had to be
able to do that.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
No, many hours of training, certifications, all kinds of other stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
That's crazy, man.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
It's good though, because it gives people an opportunity to
resolve their case on their terms that a judge tell
them with the deal.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Absolutely, it gives you time to negotiate so that and
you just bring the final final decision to the judge.
The judge looks at both people and says, are you
okay with this? You say yeah, and off you go.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Right, It's right, Robert stamping go home.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
That's a pretty good way to do it is bad,
all right, So buddy, we a couple of weeks ago,
I had mentioned this guy that rolled through my uh
social media feed, and I brought it up on the
show and I got a little sideways action from the
texting time.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I'm curious about what's going on your feet?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That's exactly what they said. They were like, what are
you watching, dude? But this guy popped up because he
was very popular. I watched like thirty seconds of his video,
and then, of course, like with anything on Insta, you
watched twenty seconds of it and you're about to get
a whole bunch of it. And I did, and I
could not believe what. I saw this guy walking through
Nashville with a can of bear mace and I guess
he had a weapon on him as well, you know,
calling black people the in word to their face and
(02:33):
telling him you know, he pick up my hat in
word yeah, and you know, all this stuff. And then
and then when they would start acting, you know, they
would be like, you know, like I'm gonna pop his ass.
Whatever upset you go, Okay, don't chimp out on me.
Don't chimp out on me even more insulting, over and over.
And you know, I think we kind of knew this
guy was something was gonna happen at some point. I
(02:54):
just didn't think he was gonna be a roll around
and do that over and over again until something happened.
And of course something did happen. You know, he said
this to somebody. Somebody said, hey, look I have PTSD.
You keep saying that to me, Something's gonna happen. The
dude punches him. He pulls his gun out, and he
shoots him, and in the sort of shooting him, he
shoots him in the stomach, and then actually he shoots
himself as well. And now he's in jail on an
attempted murder charge with a one point twenty five million
(03:15):
dollars bond, looking at sixty plus years in jail. The
question here is this, how far does free speech go
and how does stand your groundwork in situations like this?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Well, first, free speech is a restriction on the government.
So the government can't infringe your speech. Right, So the
idea of like I want to protest to our president
is right. I can say I don't like our president,
and that's my free speech. The government can't say I
can't do that. They can't arrest me for that. Religion
falls under that too. I have the ability to believe
(03:47):
what I want to believe in the government can't tell
me Otherwise. You go around saying the N word to people,
somebody's gonna say something back or do something back to you.
You know. That's called provocation, and it's generally not a
good idea to go around and mess with people who
you don't know who they are. Two of the most
(04:07):
dangerous people I've ever met in my entire life are
smaller than me, skinnier than me, but the scariest people
I've ever met my entire life. Sure you, and you
say that to one of them, you may not wake
up ever again. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and and and
so you know people, but is it protected ray? That's
the thing that because here's the thing. What I heard
(04:27):
was to stand your ground because they said, well, Tennessee
and Florida both have standing your ground, And of course
we know with what was that what was that pos
that did that out in Sandford? George George Zimmerman right
opened that kind of door for that whole questionable stand
your ground scenario. And then somebody says, well, in Tennessee,
there is definitely stand your ground. But if you provocate,
if you go in and create a scenario and then
(04:48):
you have to defend yourself from the scenario you've created,
it doesn't really apply there. Yeah, And so generally stay
in your ground is really about whether or not you
have a duty to retreat, Like, do I have a
duty an obligation that I try to run away from
the harm before I confront it with deadly force? Like
that's this whole idea of standing your ground is that
I don't have to do that. You come at me
(05:10):
with a knife and you're right, and you're and you're
pointing it at me like you're gonna stab me. I
can shoot you. I don't have to try to run
across the side of her room get away from it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Because I feel an iminent threat to my life because
you're holding a weapon and you're showing me that you're
willing to at least uh act like you're going to
use it.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
That's right, And so that's really what we're talking about.
We're talking about stage your ground now, the provocation generally speaking,
along the different states, you can't create an incident and
then use self defense as you're Oh, I had. But
what we're really talking about in a situation like this
is that there's been an escalation, right, so and so
(05:48):
each escalation sometimes gets another examination. So like if I say, Jim,
I don't like you because you're bald, right, and then
you pull a gun on me, you've now escalated. Right now,
if I pull a gun on you, I could use
deadly force because you've now escalated.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Brandish my weapon. That's right, right, and then and the
person that that is on the other end of that
doesn't know if I plan on using it or not.
So theoretically I can pull my gun and shoot you
even if you don't point it at me, because I
don't know what you're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And apparently with Chudu, which is a terrible name, Yeah, yeah,
with chud apparently there's videos with him doing that exact thing.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Oh, he does it over and over.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
No, he says something to somebody, they come at him,
and he pulls his gun out like I'm going to
use this, puts his hand on his gun or whatever.
Big mistake, and and I think that's really.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And there's video evidence of this, by the way, tons
of it, and.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I think that's really where I think he's gonna have
the most problems in this case. Is you know, this
is right outside of courthouse, by the way, Yeah, he
was just in court for some civil issues.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
He has some other bonds and stuff out as well,
that's why his bond was so high.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
And yeah, so he was out on bond already when
this happens. He's outside of courthouse. Courthouses have cameras everywhere.
He's he's antagonizing these people, and the and the way
I read this story with he started to blade himself.
So the except for people who are not super familiar
to firearms or self defense, blading is where you, instead
of like standing face to face like Jim and I
(07:07):
are right now, I turned my body so that way,
like he's getting half of my body, which gives me
the ability to grab my gun without with you know,
the ability to create distance between him and I pull
my gun and start shooting him, which according to what
I saw online, he started to blade himself before the
guy even approached him, and so so it's not against
(07:30):
the law, but what it shows is an intent to
use his firearm potentially right even before the provocations returned,
and now the guy makes a threat to him, and
now he's gotta use debt force, which I think he's
gonna have a hard time proving, but he's showing that
early on. And then you know, again, I don't see
anywhere in any of the stories where the other person
(07:53):
put their hands on him or threatened him. They just said, hey,
you can't do that stuff to.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Right PTSD, I'll knock your ass out or something like that.
And he's arks reports the guy started coming at him
a little bit well, and so I guess he was
walking towards him.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I saw that. But then he uses deadly force. And
so you know, when we're talking about self defense conceptually
is you can match force with like force.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So you push me, I push you right, And let
me ask you a quick question. We're going any farther.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
If let's say the guy who who did wind up
punching him and got shot, let's say he had seen
the videos, Yeah, and he had a precedent in his mind.
This guy has a gun and he, you know, is
willing to use that. Will that information or could that
information come into court like a precedent set by online
information that the guy chud himself put out there.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I mean, can could could that come into play?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Probably doesn't come in on a murder trial. It might
come in on the stander ground issue, gotcha, because that's
usually outside of the jury with the judge and it's
really a matter of law.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And anytime you shoot at somebody is at an automatic
attempted murder cross charge.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
No, So for so personally, personally, I think that the
attempted murder charge maybe is a little bit of a
stretch because in order for you to do that, you
have to prove the intent. That's why I was talking
about the bladed action. But you go into that altercation
with the intent to kill somebody or that's part of
the elements for that crime.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Why wouldn't they just choose attempted manslaughter then.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Or reckless endangerment with you know, with risk the great
part of the harm. I'm gonna tell you this is
completely unfounded. So this is just me talking out my
but I think that there's a lot of political pressure
when you have somebody who's saying those types of things
and doing that kind of thing right outside of courthouse,
that you have to set an example and you have
(09:43):
to throw the book at somebody. And again I'm not
saying that's the case. I'm not saying there's no evidence
to support their their charge, but I'm guessing that there's
some political pressure to keep people happy and make sure
that this guy's being made an example of and that
this won't continue to happen.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Let me ask you a tough question. Okay, do you
mind a tough question?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I don't mind it, but I might wig laugh and
we'll see. Okay, that word is unique, Okay, Okay, the
N word is unique? Yes, right, because if you call
a black person the in word, it is something that
can't be replicated culturally the other way around.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Understand, a black person can't call me anything where I
get so incited that I want to draw my weapon.
I don't care how many times he says it. He
can call my mom names, whatever, I'm never going to
get to that point because I don't have those years
of oppression that brought that word to power. Now, So
how is that How does that factor legally? Does that
(10:40):
actually offer the case more credibility because the power of
that word and how it's been established in American culture
or not?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah? So that's actually a really fantastic question. So the
standard that we use in the legal system is a
reasonable person. So what a reasonable person awesome? Hereing that word,
would they respond in a way that you know would
be aggressive? And I'm with you, I can't put myself
(11:10):
quite in those shoes to explain, but I can tell
you I've got enough friends and I've seen it said
enough that I know how people react to it. And
you know, I will say I hate to say it
this way. To Chud's credit, when he was talking to
law enforcement, which he never should have done, while recording
himself and streaming the entire thing, he's telling people, you
(11:35):
know these people, I think he says rich people. I
don't remember exactly the terminology used, but my algorithms also
probably messed up now because I've watched all these videos.
He said that these rich people keep telling people to
come fight me, and this is what happens, right, And
what it looked like to me from what he was
trying to say is somebody else is instigating this happening
(11:56):
and trying to get me to be a victim here.
And I think he recognizes that that word is so
emotionally charged, sure that somebody was going to respond this
kind of way and that this is his opportunity for
a payday, because there's not a lot of people who
go into something which is as traumatic and emotional as
(12:17):
a gunfight and walks out of it saying, well, here's
how everybody is conspiring against me. And so when you
say this that have a factor into it. I can't
help but think that his text messages, his emails, his
correspondence with his agent. I don't know if he has
an agent, but all these things are going to come
(12:39):
out where maybe he is trying to bait somebody into
coming after him so he can kind of be this martyr,
so to speak. And again I don't know any of
that to be the case, but it's just a very
odd set of circumstances, the way it was all framed up.
And then immediately afterwards he's like, people are trying to
get me to, you know, be this victim.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Now, let me ask you a question. Okay, how much
do you think his funding campaign has raised so far?
I don't want to And by the way, I said
the number earlier and it's gone up.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Uh. I don't want to underestimate or overestimate. I'm gonna
say two hundred and fifty thousand dollars two hundred and
eighteen thousand dollars as of right now. According to AI,
his real name is Dalton Etherly or Etherly, known online
as Chud, the Builder has raised more than two hundred
and eighteen thousand dollars now. And that's it's not go fundme.
(13:28):
It's called giftsen Go. It's a Christian crowdfunding campaign. Interesting,
it's a.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Christian crowdfunding platform that has two hundred and eighteen thousand
dollars for a guy walking around calling black people the
N word and trying to incite them into violence. A
Christian funded thing? Is that the most instant, by the way,
And is it really Christian funded? It's discouraged.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
It's it's giftsen Go, which I believe is a Christian
go fundme thing.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
You know, we should always love each other.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Oh yeah, we should just love each other, shouldn't we.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's kind of wild how that happens because the other guy,
I think only raised like forty the guy who was shot. Now,
I think that guy's got some sketchy stuff in his past.
Not that that stops it or or changes anything, but
when you look at the totality of both people. And
you see that this guy's getting funded to the point of,
you know, two hundred and eighteen thousand dollars, and I
guess he was online. This is according to a room
I heard he was online not even two months ago,
like begging his kick his kick platform guys to pay
(14:26):
money because he didn't have any money.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And I, oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
He was also addressed as a ferry back in the day.
They found that pretty quickly on him as well. Not
a good look for jud I.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Don't think the victims past comes in at all for
the court process. I don't think the victims pass really
comes in.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Definitely won't because that's nothing to do with this situation here.
But it's also funny too because I remember when there
are certain crimes that have been that have been committed
and a GoFundMe or a crowd funding platform has raised
money that the platform itself has shut the money down
because of the nature of the crime. And I can't
believe this hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
That happened didn't happen with the lady. I think it
was mountain door. Was she shot through the door? As
I say, you're right, that did happen another racially motivated murder. Yeah,
or a yes, because she shut the one through the
door in front of her. I think she did get charged.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah she did. Yeah, Oh yeah she did for sure.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
And so you're right, I forgot about that. But yeah,
and I don't know what the the give fund go
give send goo what there uh in terms of of
youse are But you know, I don't know. Yeah, it's
just so it's hard to look at the situation and
look at it as a situation where the world would
(15:45):
be better off with somebody walking around public squares saying
to this these things to people if for no other reason,
we as a country need to be coming together more
and not not trying to find ways of pick fights.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I just went over to Gibson Go and it doesn't
really say anything. Well, no, yes, says God's calling for
the Yeah, I guess there are some there are some
indications that may it may have some faith based some
faith based. N't even double check here. Yeah, it doesn't
really say anything. Even in the about it doesn't say
anything about it being faith based. But there was a
couple things right up front that said there were that
(16:22):
that was the case, that it was a faith based scenario.
And there are a couple of crosses on here that
doesn't really mean anything, but that's what I've heard about it.
And by the way, with all this action here, it's
nothing on the front page of this about Chud the
builders getting money from these guys.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Well, and I got I've got one question, and I'm
just gonna throw out there to the universe because this
is one part I don't understand. If he was just
leaving the courthouse, where did he get this gun?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
That's exactly what I thought. That's God almighty dude, that's
literally like, where's this guy put this gun? He came
from a.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Courthouse, So so again it all seems sketch sketch. Yeah, yeah,
you know, so that like maybe somebody who's waiting out
there with him with.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
A god, dude, wild, I don't know, all right, four
seven nine four one textas seven seven zero three one
deb news.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Yeah, multiple dead in a San Diego mosque shooting. Former
LAPD detective Mark Furman has died. Go way, and when
UFC will reopen the ticket window for Freedom two fifty
fan fest.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
We'll talk about that next during you heard it here? First,
a right take a little break.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
We'll come back into a few more minutes with Ray,
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