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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, what's up? What the children? What can I say?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Podcast episode? What're We're on?
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Rider? One eighty eight?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Ride and keep it track one eighty ain't god damn
we even done a lot of these.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I wanted your host, Hogal Paul.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Let's go ahead and introduce the other memories of the pod.
She is fluffy and fine and she is long haird
don't care? Kick key, what's seria?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hey? Friends? What's up? Key? Key?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
What what?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I'm forty inch? Key over here?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Forty inches? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (00:35):
So that is forty inches? Yes here, Okay, that's what
forty inches look like.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yeah, I'm main it was longer.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
I'm not sure, so okay makes sense?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Okay, I want to give Kecky around the pause, key key,
we need to give a round applause, were giving right
because you you you've been big stage key key for
a minute.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yes, oh you know, yeah, been on all the big stages.
You know. God is good.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
God is good, you know all the time. And that's it.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
You know, you get like two different keykeys.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
What you mean?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So what I saw?
Speaker 5 (01:13):
So told don't know if you noticed, Like when you
was on stage with Kekey and she was at Big Jam,
she was like.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
What up y'all? How y'all feeling? Oh my?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
She was like, we gotta do it for rech g
shuting and three piece of the air thing. Yeah. Then
she was onna kiss and she was like, Hi, God,
are you having a good time?
Speaker 6 (01:36):
Let's kick it to Ryan And I was like, who
is this?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It was two different.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Why you ain't seeing three pieces dingle ball?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
A dingle ball?
Speaker 7 (01:52):
Too crazy? Listen, what I am is what you would
call a verse talent.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
You know what I'm saying. And I know my audiences
and so you know, my god.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
She's like, if you've seen the video, She's like, Chicago
he came out. I was like, what she said? Are
you having a good time? Why are you enunciating so good?
I never Chicago like that?
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Y'all should hear me. I'll be trying to speak proper.
It'd be tear my ads in the morning.
Speaker 7 (02:31):
I'd be like, oh, it only lasts so long, so
they know to get me in and out else.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Gonna come out.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Yeah, So it'd be fun though. It was great.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
It was great, all right.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
The funny man who was the most lit at Big Jam.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
That video was a bit It was hilarious. Fake news.
It was kind of fake because y'all made it seem
like y'all voted at the top of an hour they did.
Y'all know I wasn't the most lit.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You was absolutely lit. Once the liquor came out, it
was over.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, I got on that tequila. It was it was Yeah,
I got another video.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
I gotta show it to you another I couldn't even
post that because I'm like, I ain't doing you like that,
you my brother.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
But it was funny.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Oh, it's great. You was lit, you were turned.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
You was everywhere. It's like, look, man, I'm about to
watch his interview with you told it.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I'm glad. I'm going on stage. I got to see
Boston man d lo. Then I got to go stop
out here take a picture that I would come back.
You literally was everywhere everywhere, like, where's Zach. I don't
know that up do you disappeared? And I was like,
is that when we died. I'm not gonna talk about it,
but you absolutely.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
I was one of the most lit big jam I
had I had I had the tequila upstairs. It was
upstairs and I was going to get it. Yeah, usually,
but you was fun.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I had fun.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I'm a fun drunk. Yeah yeah. I don't get you
know how some people get angry and women fight. I don't.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
I don't want to fight you when I get yeah drunk,
That ain't me.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Fuck well, let's go ahead, get to A man signed
the pod. A new lawsuit a legend of jay Z
and Diddy sexually assaulted a thirteen year old while a
famous female celebrity watch. According to Buzzby, jay Z responded
in a jay Z fashion, and I thought it was classless.
(04:30):
I didn't even realize that yesterday was the day that
they were having the premier premiere for the Lion Keeme.
I was like, what type of human beings do we
live in the world with these days? It is unbelievable
how I don't know how things are being done.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
We'll go with you, KEI. When you hear this, I mean,
I just.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Okay, take your time, take your time, take it.
Speaker 7 (05:03):
Because I put out a tweet the night that the
lawsuits came out. I put a tweet out and it
said no weapon formed against me jay Z or TikTok
shall prosper.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
That was wow.
Speaker 7 (05:19):
It's so I I want to stand by what I said,
and you know what I'm saying, and I don't want
this to I don't want to regret that tweet. But
y'all know, I talked to the lady on TikTok, and
the lady on TikTok predicted that this was going to
happen in November for jay Z, and she's also predicting
(05:40):
that this is going to have an effect on his
marriage to Beyonce and that things are going to come
out where Beyonce is going to have to separate herself
from jay Z, which I you know, like I can't
even handle the stuff that she was predicting because I
just don't want it to happen.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
So I'm gonna stand by my tweet.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
No weapon formed against me, TikTok and jay Z shall prosper,
and I'm gonna just pray for the best because I
think this is at this point now it seems it
feels like a takedown of powerful black men. But the
problem is every time we say that hiccomadolt full of
y'all skeletons and bones and collective bodies.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
And videos and stuff.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
So all I'm doing is I'm on the pred line
consistently that we do not have any type of bones
that fall out about jay Z because I don't want
to ever believe something like this. And I do think
that people are taking advantage of the way the media
can be swayed and the way that it's been very
easy to take down very powerful black men. But those
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men have been taken down because they actually were doing things.
I really hope this case is different.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
Okay, all right, Zach, jay Zach, that's you. Oh.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
I saw the thing about jay Z and immediately I
didn't believe it, you know what I'm saying. But I
want to say this. Celebrities came to jay Z's defense.
A lot of people came to jay Z's defense. We
didn't do these same things when it came to Diddy.
And I'm talking about before the Cassie tape came out.
You know what I'm saying. The Castie tape came out.
(07:23):
That was domestic violence. But he's not in He's not
in jail right now for domestic violences. For other things, right,
trafficking and different things like that. With jay Z, it
just hits a little different, you know what I'm saying.
I guess, so I guess my question to us as
a culture or are what makes us? How are we
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picking and choosing what we believing in what were not?
I think some point we got to get a standard
to stand by, because when it came to to Diddy,
it was just silence, Like everybody was just quiet. Right
when he was first alleged, it was went through his
house and rating his house, anybody say nothing, nobody coming
to his defense. But then when it came to Hole,
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everybody like, ain't no way anything that you say. You
know what I'm saying, Like we feel strongly enough, And
is it just because of the way we feel about
jay Z? What what are we going by? Because if
we can be swayed, I just don't want us to
be easily swayed.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I'm not saying he did it or didn't.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
I don't know. We honestly don't know anything. We just
don't think he did it or we don't want.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
To believe he did it. So are we just swayed
by allegations who we liked the most. I don't think
that's it because no, but it was true.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
So it was like, I'm sorry it was true.
Speaker 7 (08:43):
So a lot of people couldn't stand by him because
it was facts that were factual information that was coming
out with jay Z. These are simply allegationally. There's no
proof for anything else to back up these allegations. And
what I don't want us to do is so swiftly
react to just allegations because now we're on a pattern,
so it's easy for everybody to try to That's.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
I don't want us to move on allegations on the
way we're standing for jay until we find out more information.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
We need to stay for all.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
We need to start standing for all the black men
until we find out more information.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
But let's find out more information.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Hold on before we crucify Diddy, before we crucify anybody.
Let's just saying, let's stop before we make judgments already,
and we've already kind of made the person innocent or
guilty before we know yet. Diddy has not had his
day in trial in court yet. And that's so that's
what I'm saying. If we're gonna give jay Z that
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benefit of doubt, let's give all as black people. Let's
not continue to be swayed by a headline immediately. That's
all I'm saying. You know what I said, the way
we did behove? Can we do that for everybody? And
then if things change, then we change. As it's tough,
you know what I'm saying. I think a lot of
people's actually your point. We're all on the fence.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I think we're all on the about Diddy because everybody
does like Diddy in a sense. So it felt weird
once we saw the Cassie tape though, because like you said,
it happened before, and I think a lot of people
were like, eh m, and then when the Cassie tape
came out, everybody was like, eh now to my to
this thing with a jay Z thing, I don't think
(10:19):
it's provable, to be honest with you, I don't think
it's provable. We're talking about an era where there's no phones,
there's no nothing in this. It's your word or it's
my word. I don't think it's provable. Do I think
that a person like jay Z would do something like this? No,
But then that I'll play devil's advocate. I'll play devil's
advocate in this part. What is a thirteen year old
(10:44):
doing around celebrities at that time? They're not inviting thirteen
year olds or to those parties. But is it possible
that a thirteen year old that maybe it was about
to turn fourteen, can make herself look like she's eighteen
at that time.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
That's psibility, or.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
She could have been human trafficked, which is big in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
We're learning.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I honestly, that's the overwhelming thing. People like to throw
human trafficking into that. But you know more women than well,
let me not say that. You know that there's a
lot of women, and I would say a large percentage
of women that are living adult lives way before their adults.
(11:29):
They are fifteen, sixteen, seventeen and can make themselves because
you know how to make up, news, makeup or whatever,
you can make yourself look like you're eighteen, nineteen twenty.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
That doesn't excuse anything that a grown man does. No,
so this is it? So No, No, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's not about excusing it, but in a sense of
if you are in this is me playing devil's advocate.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
It's not saying anything wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
But if you are in the club, you sneak in
the club where they are twenty one years old or
twenty one year his mind, everybody here is grown and
you start talking to a girl, you start talking to
a woman. She lying nine times out of ten, you
not asking for ID I've heard of these type of
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situations where people get jammed up. They get jammed up
in this situation, and it doesn't necessarily mean rape. Sometimes
sometimes sometimes it's like, hey, the person stopped answering the
phone or they stopped. It's a lot of different things
when these allegations come out. You look at like t
I and tiny when they were allegation about what they
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were doing, and all of those different things that was
coming out and it turned out to be false. So
there's a lot of a lot of nuances to this,
and I just thought it was, at the very least,
from my point of view, was super super nasty on
the night of his daughter's big night.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
Absolutely, I mean, but you putting him at the scene
of a crime and all that. I don't even want
to put him at the scene of a crime. Ain't
no excuse about in the club and she's snuck in
me and no grown men know the difference between a
grown woman and a child. I can look at somebody
until if they thirteen, whether they got on lipstick, a wig,
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or whatever, you could tell, you could tell a difference.
So I don't even want to put hole at the
scene of a crime. Yes, yes, there are people that
play these little super games in live, but thirteen years
old is insane. Thirteen years old is that is intentional rape,
statutory rape, whatever that you're doing or committee, that's a crime.
So the way he responded, and I'm glad he responded,
(13:40):
he's responding and sticking up himself, and I pray that
he gets a you know, like this gets dismissed. But
I also want, like Zach say, I want them to
hold a new standard for people who come out with
false allegations like this, because you're taking away time and resources.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
From real victims.
Speaker 7 (13:54):
So there needs to be some type of criminal charges
that are put against people who make false allegation. However,
none of us were there that none of us know
what happened. But you I understand what you're saying, but
I just feel like it doesn't apply in this situation
because thirteen years old you can tell. And I don't
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give a damn it for thirteen year old put.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
On every heel brawl week and went somewhere and in
a grown man sleep with a thirteen year old.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
The grown man is at fault one. Hundred percent, not
to thirteen year old. No, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I'm not putting a fault on that I maybe may mistook.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I'm not taking back.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I'm just saying that there are situations that I have
I have heard about that I know about with these types,
not this young, That's what I'm saying, not this not
this young.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
But like sixteen, sixteen, eighteen, sixteen eighteen. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Y'all are breaking it down case by case. You know
what I'm saying, But we don't know you know what
I'm saying. So what I'm trying to say is we
have a standard. We need a standard as people. So
if we're easily swayed by the Internet, they can take
you anywhere, yes, and they can tear down anybody.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Okay, So give everybody they day in court, whether you
believe it or you know what I'm saying, You like
this person or not? Give everybody because if you don't,
now you because when you start choosing, ki, I know
you're saying, but when you start choosing, that's when you
start picking off. Well, I like this person more, I don't.
I don't see myself like I see this person doing
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this over this person and.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
It's not a like thing for me because I love Diddy.
I used to I would want to work for Diddy.
I thought, did it to me? Diddy to me like
it hurt my heart that that hurt me.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Well, we had to report that stuff about Diddy and
I had to be like, you know, I had to
really change.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
Who he is in my mind. That really hurt me.
But I didn't do that off the Internet. I did
that off the video. I did that off real that
was signed to him giving their testimony on about what
he about what happened, and in facts that came out
about it. That wasn't off speculation. When it came to
Bill Cosby, that wasn't speculation. These are it was real
people that other men, comics that work for him, that
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witness to the stuff he did.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Well, R Kelly, there's video proof.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
So in the case of yes, the Internet is quick
to take people down and we do run with headlines.
But for me, personally, no black man that is in power,
I'm quick to turn my back on unless there is
some hard hitting proof. When that video, like he said,
when that video with Diddy came out, that crushed me.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
I just think it's it's the video crushed me. But
I think, how can you defend that video. I'm not
defending the video. I think there's a difference between being
the domestic abuser and sex traffic in mind. No, those
are two different things. No, no, I believe, I just
I just listen. No, I ain't gonna lie to you. No,
I gotta, I gotta. I'm just telling you the truth
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I got. I got a grandfather who hit my grandmama.
H straight up was an abuser. He ain't sex traffic.
No kids, I understand that. Said, those are two different
crimes times, I understand it. I'm not saying one is
right one another. I'm not speaking of that, but I'm
saying those are two different things.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
But what I'm saying, no, no, no, it's not those exactly.
Just let me walk with walk to you.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
So. But they make it.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
They make an accusation about somebody about your grandfather, your grandfather,
after you know, after you know your grandfather has that
going on with your grandma, and then as an accusation
about your grandfather stealing a bunch of money from the family.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
I don't know if that's I don't know if he
did that. That's what I'm saying, I don't put that
in the same But you look at those as if
you do this crime, you'll do this. I don't look
at like it. When I think that you, I don't
look at like because i'll steal from Walmart. I'll never
steal from you. And those are the same crimes, I
promise you. And the reason I tell you that is
because it's just different things and you can't control.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
That's what I'm saying. That's the crazy.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
That's what we have to be careful about. That's what
I'm trying to warn us as a culture to be
careful about. Is that right there. Just because you do
one thing don't mean you'll do something else. I literally
have taking candy bars and stuff from Walmart. Walmart is
a corporation that has a profit loss system.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
You are a man. I'm just telling the truth.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
You're a man. You're a man that work. You're a
man that works hard every single day and earns you.
I don't I look at those as two separate ideals
in my head. So to take something like, oh, just
because you you've done this crime, you're gonna do this one.
I just don't see those as the same thing. I
know guys who have sold drugs.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Oh, you got dr everybody.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
But I'm just saying, if you're selling drugs, but I know,
I know, I know drug dealers who wouldn't touch a minor.
You know what I'm saying, just because they did this
illegal thing, don't mean it they'll touch it.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Those aren't the same thing. I get. I get what
you're saying.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
One hundred single you said, I think to move the
conversation forward. I do think that what you and Kiky
said before it does, this will continue to happen. And
as they put something in place to the people that
are making false accusations, right and once those once that happens,
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we'll see this come way down and we'll see real
victims getting there day in court. And I like what
jay Z said, don't make it a civil suit. Don't
make it about money. You remember I always said that.
I always say, like, hey.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Which one you?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
It makes me feel weird when you want justice. You
don't want justice, but you want the money. That always
is a weird, weird place for me. And I thought
that was very insightful for him to say that, Hey man, no,
if I'm this type of person, get justice on me.
Don't try to get money from me, get justice from me,
and then then after you convict me, then get the money.
(19:45):
Absolutely that that's what made what you're coming after the
money first.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
So that's that's why I thought that was a did
y'all see the lawyer? Did y'all see the lawyer?
Speaker 5 (19:53):
The dude who's made the claims who he's also the
guy that threw up the one eight hundred ditty hotline.
I don't even know how you filter real from fake
on something like that. Then that's that's crazy. And this
is the same guy where jay Z's lawyer just announced
that he has a He has a lady who said
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she was dropped by his loss by his because she
wouldn't cooperate and say that jay Z did something to it.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
So it's a lot of mud in this man.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
But I think, I mean, you coming for you coming
for the our top dog at this point, you coming
for the top And I think, what I know what
I'm doing, Like I'm standing ten.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Toes behind him.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
I got to until it's until I can't until I
came and when I tell you, if this come out,
and it will come out.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
He didn't do nothing. This's Benna change the way, like
this new law. It needs to be some laws in place.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
If you come with false accusations and it's fault and
it's one hundred percent false, ain't no truth to it.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
You're asked need to.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Go to jail.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
You need to go to jail because you're putting stains
on people's legacies that can't be removed.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
Yeah, too serious to play with, Like you saying that
and it being false is insane.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
So it's crazy. Like we just looked at it.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
We had a I don't know, you don't watch basketball
like being Zach's okay, but we looked at the a
young man that made Illinois relevant, Illinois basketball relevant that
hadn't been in a while.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I mean, a scoring.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Machine should have been maybe the fourth or fifth player
taken in the draft, dropped all the way down still lottery.
I think he dropped down, but he dropped down to
the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
But it was off of a.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Fake rape accusation, and even with a girl was saying
she said they when they put up the text basis,
I got his ass. Cost that young man millions even
though it was proven and he was lying, cost him millions.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
He could never.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Get that back exactly, and I just think that we
have to do something to put in place because this
will keep going on because it's so much court a
public opinion right now, it's getting crazy. Like you said,
if it's no repercussion, nah, I can say it and
be like, if I win, I'm up right, and then
if I go back to my life, Yeah, you know what,
Like this person has this stain on them forever moving
(22:14):
forward and they can't under that.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
So yeah, sign a lot or something.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
You gotta be taking serious.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
And for the people who just simply don't like jay
Z and Beyonce, like, please just sit this one out, bro,
like unless you got some serious proofs, Like please just
be quiet because it might get dangerous for you behind
Beyonce and jay Z out here. I'm just saying, Yeah,
you talk to the people who just be talking. You
just hate you just hate greatness in life.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
You just mad, you mad at anything great in life,
so you you take any shot at Beyonce and jay
Z just because you don't like greatness. Like for those
like y'all, just please shut just shut up, please please please,
Like we've been through enough TikTok at risk you know
what I'm saying, Like it's crazy out here, Like it
could go bad for anybody that come to me talking
real sad ways about this and they don't have no facts.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Man, it's gonna be it's gonna be crazy, and it's
gonna be interesting. But I do feel that. But do
I feel that once this case starts, that there's going
to be some names and some situations that we're gonna
be looking like whoa. I definitely think that. Let's look
at this. O'Shane Jackson and you Andrew Schultz shame some
words on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
I wasn't sure about what happened with this, Kiki.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
You remember, Oh Shane was just reacting to the comment
that you reacted to. We win't know Andrew Show he
real why he's talking to Oh Shaye. He really needed
holler at you because you're the one who really lit
his ass up with the black no. I've been thinking
about that since you said it. I'm telling you, I
use my.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Black no every day just to see how folks gonna react.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
So you know, Andrew Shows really need to have smoke
with you. I used to it on my son. Yeah,
I was like don't go in there. He said, no,
you don't respect the black No, that's a black no.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
So yeah, you know, you know, it's just you know,
to kind of clarify that because people were saying stuff
about it to being and it was a person that
d M Men was like.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Oh Andrew.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
People know Andrew more than you and you just trying
to make a moment and this this, and honestly, man,
I you know, shout out to old Shay Jackson to
the to the senior because ever since and it's gonna
sound weird, ever since the contract for black people.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I don't know, I don't know that wake me up.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
It just kind of I was just like, you know what,
he right, Like, I've been living a long time and
it hasn't been anything people have. Then it just makes
me start looking at all of these different situations and
then it suns maybe looking at all of these different
podcasts and all these different people that are and in
a way you hear about you know, hear a lot
of our I don't want to say you here, just
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hear a lot of people say how social media and
how whites use social media, use our audio and things
that we do. Because all of the stuff we do,
and so we make it and then you really start
looking at it.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
We do kind of make a lot of social.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Media like shape the culture like shape it like with
just the saying, the fun, all of the different things,
and then you see it and we're offshoot of our culture.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
We make money off of our culture. Uh.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
And to see people that obviously are getting are getting
a leg up from the culture not have respect like
Gary Owen. Gary Owen responded perfectly to it, saying, oh,
there go my set. And Gary Owen got a black
white well had a black he had a black wife.
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He had a black wife, And it's I mean, why
you look like.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
That, because I'm like, I think he got another one,
like a new like a new black.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Anyway, we we we know if Gary Owen and Gary
Owen has not he's appreciative of what's happened and that
and that's been tons of other people appreciative of that thing.
And I'm like when I when I when I responded
to the guy that was the be and Andrew Schulz,
and I didn't want to make it a long thing.
I said, what would have happened if one of our
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let's say DC young Fly decided to call to call
one of your famous pop artists gay and make fun
of his sexuality on stage. How do you think that
would have worked out for for DC? Young Fly Sleepy.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I'm trying to figure he's talking about.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Okay, what Tony's talking about is Andrew Schultz did a
joke about Meek mill what rid to.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Get a beer from?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
He just got the beer? Is new. I don't know
what he has to be. It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
I told you writer, and Tona really starting to look
like But outside of that, stop Kiky, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Okay, So outside of here's what happened.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Nobody gay? You know he did.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
What Tony's referring to is Andrew Schultz did a joke
about Meek Mill, oh calling him gay. It was a
big thing that went viral, calling him gay, off the
Diddy stuff, making a big joke. And he did it
in Philly, you know what I'm saying. So it was
a big thing. So that's why Meek had had responded
about Andrew Schultz.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Got it.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
But my whole issue with Andrew Schultz is exactly what
Tony said. Kendrick Lamar said he didn't call Andrew Schultz
by name. But you can always tell who don't like
black authority at all. And that's why it took him
to that level. You saw no other It's plenty of
white comedians who who perform in the black space. There's
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plenty of white comedians everywhere, but they didn't take offense
to it, and they might not even heard it, or
they didn't you know what I'm saying. But he felt
like it was on him because he just couldn't take
somebody telling him a black man black no, you know,
telling him just even putting it in a song bothered
him to the point where he started bringing up all
these how that man turned into a Karen Oh so quickly,
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so quickly. And that's what I was arguing with people
on the Shade Room page about.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I was like, if you think.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
This is about I was They was like, yeah, what
if a black dude said that to a white cap
was like, what if a white coming told a black
dude he can't talk about white women? I said, y'all
think this is about a joke. It's not about a joke.
If they're sitting here talking to me about a joke,
then you messing the point. The point is about every
time black people say something, who's gonna have Uh, these
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white folks got a problem with it.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
That's the issue. But regardless of it, do't matter what
we say.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
If we say anything that's just for us, you got
an issue with it, ignore it, go on, Well why
do you have to take it?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
There? Did? That's the thing? It just that was the thing.
It's very simple.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
If you you if you think that I'm lying and
you think I'm overdoing it and I'm trying to sensationalize
or make a moment, just think about every time black
folks say we don't like something, and think of the response.
It's right there in black and white. I don't have
to make it up. I didn't make it up, like y'all.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
We said black lives matter, and they lost their mind.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Lost, they lost the mind, came up with seven different
offshoots of.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Man, couldn't even just accept it, Oh lives not just
black lives matter. Hey, we didn't say none of other
We didn't, y'all.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Didn't We just say, hey, we're the ones getting laid
down when we're running.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
The thing as blue people. And they changed to blue
lives matter.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Like you was running away. I don't know, No blue people.
You stupid.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Skeeter is the only blue person I know from Doug.
Y'all pardon that that that is very true. That is
very true.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
A black, No, you can always tell the true intentions
of your none black friends by the black note.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Just the reaction.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Lets you know who?
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Like, I like how you y'all put that together, ignition,
ignition read that's album that it is, and it is
like like I said to the guy that was a
d M me, it was just I just you know,
I just of course it went solid.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Like you know, it's as simple as what we say.
You can't say the N word. You can't say it,
just like we can't say anything disparaging about any other
community except that community can say it about themselves. But
when we say, you can't, don't say the N word.
Rap the whole goddamn song. Skip over that, skip over
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the N word. When you you do it with anybody yourself,
we don't.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Care, No, no, I care.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I don't care anybody yourself. I really don't care.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I'm not trying to police you, but you know, things
that you do by yourself, you end up doing in
front of people and.
Speaker 7 (30:50):
Then like, why why do you have the urge to
say that, why does that? Why is that on your
chest so bad? I never wake up like I want
to cause somebody a racial slur today, Like I never
wake up like can because.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
We've made it cool. Yeah, we made a significant us.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
But I don't understand it.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
But that's why even other other nationalities or even my
gay brothers, like if they call them theyself the F word,
that's among I would never dare call them that. You know,
I never think, oh, let me use the F word today.
I really want to say it.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
Yeah, Like I never wake up. I never even wake up, like,
why can't I say the F work? I never woke
up and thought that.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
But I think I still think that we like and
I you know, and I don't want to do that
because sometimes it does seem a bit arrogant, But it's
the truth. It's the fact is that we have we
kind of shape the way culture is seen, and our
culture has become right now, the popular culture. It is
a popular culture, so everything all inclusive, from the way
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we dress.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
If you look at some of all of the style
houses that end up having.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Lead designers that are black, that I touched because everybody's
the coolest We've integrated so much into society that they
want to be all inclusive and they feel like, hey,
if y'all can say it and we I know your music,
I eat the same food you eat. I got black friends,
and I would never I'm not saying anything to be
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and I do think some white people in their mind
really say, hey, man, I'm just saying the.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Word because I feel like being cool. I love black people.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
But the fact of saying no to some what you
just said the black authority, they don't.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
It's just I don't think it's about being cool.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
I know people, I know white people in the culture
who have always been in black culture who will never
say it, saying that if when he texts me lyrics
he deletes it out the lyrics, like he won't even
play like that, Yeah you know what I'm saying because
he just won't say it. It's just like I don't
want to. I know people who have been like saying,
you can say it.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
He like, no, I don't want to.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
He just really doesn't have that desire to do that.
So no, that's a choice. It's a choice.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I hope.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I hope Andrew shows takes it as a learning and
a learning lesson and be like, hey, bro, you know
what I was tweaking. Let me go on ahead and
move forward to the other dudes that was on that
podcast that was letting him slide on that though y'allsome
the black dude like, you know, bro, you know that
was definitely a play because he wasn't gonna let your
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ass back up there.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
That's probably why you ain't say nothing.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Ain't no way in hell no black man gonna sit
there and let that go down and not sit there
you like, like.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Bro, what you doing? I don't know. I give grace
to that man to that.
Speaker 7 (33:39):
He maybe knew he knew to what the reaction was
gonna be, so why get out of character here.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
I'm gonna let you.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
I'm gonna let the world eat your ass up already.
Because he didn't say anything, he didn't sign, and he was.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Quiet, he was educate, he was looking up. He might
have been in shock, you know. And it was the
other dude co signing that. I'm not sure what type
of r he but he was the one co sign
and the other black dude was kind of like, you know,
sometimes all black people we respond. Some people fire off quick.
Some people be like I can't believe this has happened.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
Yeah, and you gotta sit back that not even let
it marinate. You have to let the others react to
it because you're in the room. So if you if
you buck up and react, they can stereotype you as
the angry black man in the room. Sometimes you gotta
sit back and let them talk theyselves into a hole
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like he did. And now it is what it is.
So I can't because sometimes we do give the only
black person in the room a hard time about we
gotta correct everything that our non black friends do.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Like, damn, I'm tired. I don't want to correct you
every day.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (34:46):
I'm gonna let the world correct you. But you know,
so I feel bad. Yeah, like he probably sitting there
like he go again with this dumb you know, and
he's and so as long as he wasn't co signing,
I give him a little Okay, I.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Give him grace too. I'm sorry, brother, my bad.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
But look now that Andrew gonna be going you know,
he didne lost all black people mostly you bet on hands,
start your own podcast or whatever you got going on, brother,
tell your side of let us know what you was
thinking in that moment, that's how you drop your first
episode and next thing you know, that's your platform.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
You're popping there, go up, all right, we are as
a pod. Do want this salute three piece and reach
gust In piece, rest in piece? That is that is
one of those sad things. Again, I really black men.
I will just keep telling you go to the doctor.
(35:39):
And I don't know what happened with rees G. I'm like,
I don't know what happened with reez G, but I do.
And I don't know how long he been fighting whatever
he was fighting. I don't know the details about it.
But I always just when I when I see black
men passing away relatively early in his life, in their life,
that is early, and it's like, I know exactly how
old he is. We gotta be somewhere around my age somewhere.
(36:03):
That's early.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Brother.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Like I just want people to just hey, like you
gotta check. You just gotta check. Do some check ups,
because ladies go to the doctor all the time. Also,
Billboard drops the rank of the hottest female rappers of
the year. Do y'all agree with the list order? I
have no clue what this order is, do youse?
Speaker 3 (36:21):
That.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
What's the what's the order? I don't know.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
I'm about to tell you my computer is just that though. Okay, well,
I know glow REALA is number one. I agree with
that one.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Percent, and Cardi B is number ten.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
That's a little loaf of Cardi. I guess you ain't
had a lot of music in a while, but I
want to hear. I don't know how Cardi goes to ten,
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
What's that is that Rob fort nine? That boy? That
very so nasty?
Speaker 4 (36:50):
I ain't it right here?
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Has been given? Good?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Brother, we got it, y'all. What the list?
Speaker 4 (37:02):
The list right here?
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Relax, don't worry about the list. Damn the list?
Speaker 7 (37:08):
Okay, list kick, we got it, try toad to click
through an app. So coming in at number one, it's
glow Ryller. Coming in at number two is Megan Thee,
Stallion number three, Nicki Minaj number four, Sexy Red number five,
Lotto number six, Doci number seven, Doja Cat number eight,
j T number nine, Rhapsody, and number ten Cardi B.
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I can tell you right off the bat, I don't
agree with this list.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Where's here we go?
Speaker 4 (37:39):
You always like why you always gotta do that.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
Just be doing stuff now, I'm like to do it
in your DM like you just be doing stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
You know, you know what number eleven? Okay, doing stuff?
Why would be so be so hurt about the wrong stuff?
What no respect? Big Boss Bed?
Speaker 4 (38:08):
I think she's hello, dope. I love Big Boss Bed.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
That's I love. I love all these people.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
Man, But we're talking about the top ten, the top
ten in twenty twenty four. All right, twenty twenty four,
Glow really is number one, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Mag The size number two is atrocious over Nicki Minaj
is insane. That's crazy.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
A Loto was in saying, Niki number two Nikki album
came out this year. I'm giving Nicki umber Nikki number
two for sure? What I'm giving Nikki number two this year? Yes,
we actually being disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Nikki's number one, Nikki's number one. Nikki is three four.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
No, Nikki's number one? What hold on?
Speaker 5 (38:42):
It's just based off based off this year. It's only
based off this year. Glows number one year that Nicki Mina.
Nick she said a Nicki Mina, he's had a sold
out arena.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
That's because Ni City tour. Nikki could sell out Nikki
didn't have the album to sell out. Her album was great.
So we're talking about this year.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Nikki does not need to make another album for the
rest of her life to sell out anything.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Facts.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
That's just a fact, and that's why she's always ever one.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
So my thing is we're we're talking about this year music,
the music that they put out this year. That is
the ranking. The twenty twenty four Thank You Lie number Nicki.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
Mina, Okay, I'm going I have different with to Glowrilla's
number one. If we're just talking about this year, nobody's
topping Glow I got Nikki too. Yes, And then if
you're talking this year, for y'all to not put Sexy
Red number three, it's Crazy numberfore and sexy Red. If
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you want to be real, If we're just talking this
year and we just talking to music put out this year,
talking about she's number two. If you want to be real,
it's if you're talking this year, it's Glow Sexy Nikki Lotto.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with Glow Sexy
lot of Nikki.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Because it's Glow.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
We've heard records from Lotto from January to now.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Any new records records. We can sell out the sound studio.
Who it doesn't matter. We're talking about record records.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
It's all things combined. Who had the biggest nicky record?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Are we playing?
Speaker 4 (40:34):
And that's it's the crazy part. We don't have to.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
We played the one with herd Uzzi. We've played like
play that for a minute, that was going up. That's
still that's still big. It's better than big, Mama. Yeah,
I get with you. If we is it better what
you're both making? I love I think it's it's.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
I honestly don't think that. If i'ma be honest with you,
it's tough to put. I don't like putting legends in
these conversations. I don't like I know, but I don't
like putting somebody like a Nikki in a in a
in a year conversation because then it's just like whoever
was the hottest.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
That's what we did with Kent Trick. Kendrick's in all timer.
He's an all timer period, there's an all time, but.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
The best year. But he had the best year.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
But he also had the biggest song of his career too,
So it's kind.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Of But I'm still I'm saying you can talk about it,
you can talk about it. That's like saying you can't
judge an athlete year to year. Somebody can have a
weak ass year and still being all time.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
I just don't like it because because we have these
conversations where we where we put people like sexy, where
we put people.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Because we end up having.
Speaker 7 (41:56):
I don't even need to be in this conversation because
she is the double, she is the top facts though,
so all these girls are aiming to happen in his
career that Nicki Minaj has had, so really, she shouldn't
even be in these conversations because guess what if we
were doing this, y'all.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
Wasn't putting Hove on the list because Hove's hole.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Had the best year? Who's in twenty twenty four?
Speaker 2 (42:18):
If jay Z came out with an album okay and
it was it was not better than let's say future,
I would have to say future. If it wasn't better,
if it did not, if he did not have success,
it would be tough for me to say. But if
we're gonna talk about all time, to me, ain't nobody
touching jay Z?
Speaker 4 (42:37):
And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (42:38):
It's hard to put them type of people in them
conversations and Zach is saying, because they are so great,
but I will give Nicki Minaj this. When y'all talk
about a great year, you talk about, oh, Lotto had
a good song, that's cute songs. She had three good songs, good, right,
But guess what, Nikki had three good songs. She had
a number one album, she had sold out tour, she
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had sold out March.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
So when you.
Speaker 7 (43:02):
Talk about year overall, you have the list, and at
the top of the list, she's.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
More popular than them. She She's gonna always be more popular.
We're talking about the top, we're gonna talk about it.
You add so much into this. We're talking about music
that you put out, because then if we're gonna do that,
megs up.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
That's why MEGS can put her.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
At number two because Megs and anomaly, the music is
not necessarily there.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
But if she has an impact, that's true. She has
an impact.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Well, if if you're just talk if we just talking records,
give her year and we know that glow and y'all
and if we're talking year, you gotta give Sexy number two.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
I have to. If you're just.
Speaker 5 (43:46):
Talking about year, I don't know about that, And I
think the only head you talking about songs again.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Talking about hipop culture than Nicki Minaj this year. And
that is a fact.
Speaker 7 (43:58):
You can't have a bigger impact in Nicki Minaj because
she's Nicki Minaj. Whether you and you in two thousands
cannot have you can. Nobody can have a bigger impact.
No female can have a bigger impact on hip hop
than Nicki Minaj in any year.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Nikki is going to If we're gonna be the ones.
Speaker 7 (44:18):
Before Nikki, all the girls after Nikki, they can't have
no bigger impact than Nikki because Nikki set the bar.
Until you pass the bar, I'm the bar. You gotta
pass the bar. We don't know another Beyonce. We would
never sit here in disrespect. We would never compare any
R and B artists or any pop.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Album than Nicki Minaja.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Let's say nick I mean I had it better than
Beyonce they in a year, Yes, we would. Are you
telling me that when every time that Beyonce has put
out an album, it's been the best R and B
album the time it came out, No, exactly, and she
one of the best entertainers of all time, one thousand
percent guess.
Speaker 7 (44:55):
What Billboard just gave her Entertainer of the Damn Century.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Uh huh, so year she just gave you. You want
to talk about all these and it's a hundred years
my life.
Speaker 7 (45:17):
I'm fighting for my life. But what I'm basically saying
is I just hate hey. Y'all all have an issue
with giving Nicki, MI and I to her flowers, and
I don't appreciate that, just like just like you have.
We have this unspoken respect for Hole.
Speaker 5 (45:29):
When we talk about Hole and other rappers, there's an unspoken,
uncomfortable respect that nobody knows that everybody knows.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Don't cross this line because he's whole.
Speaker 7 (45:38):
When we talk about Beyonce, no matter how great Chris
Brown is, no matter how great everybody, there's an uncomfortable
line of respect that we know not to cross when
we talk about Beyonce. When it comes to female rap,
y'all need to start implicating that same uncomfortable line of
respect when it comes to Nicki.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
And I will when I will when she stops arguing
with the girls that we're talking about talk about Jay
Ain't never this hill because no ROYD fort nine, no
Rod four nine would have the balls to get on
a record in disrespect jay Z, because we as a
culture make it comfortable for these new girls to go
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at Nicki Minaj and disrespect us. It's also sometimes when
you're up, Sometimes when you're excellent, Yes you are. Sometimes
when you excellent, Kiki, people can't emulate you.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
They want to, they want to bang, but they can't.
It's a beautiful thing. All right. We gotta keep going.
I just gotta wrapped.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
I gotta, I gotta it's a short part today. Hey guys,
follow thoughts. Damn, we got we gotta it. We have
forty six minutes. We gotta this wasn't even four play.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
We gotta it. We gotta.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Go. We gotta look, you gotta wrap it up. Applause
is blue, Save Save t SR Live tomorrow. All right,
come on, all right, we're back. I get on this episode.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Well, I put my drawers. Go ahead, I'm canting. Make
it down. That's crazy. We stayed. We love say I
know you.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
I love y'all. All right, man, that bere saying. What
more can we say