Episode 165: Interview Doctor

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Be my physician.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
He said, you're definitely ill. Thanks to the nurse. I've
seen worse than the doctor.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Just gave me a pill.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Take one of those three times today. You don't never
stop on till you're really dead er awful. Better keep
out of the region children. The thing is that some
side effects you mean, probably will well. Limits of fact,
you can't come. I'll give you one of the film.
On top of that, on top of that, on top
of that, on top of that, on top of that,
on top of that, and then he showed me his bill.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I popped another pill.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Welcome to When Your Health Matters. Your host is doctor
Richard Huntoon of Advanced Alternative Medicine Center located right here
in Pool of Georgia. Doctor Hantoon has been practicing alternative health,
utilizing chiropractic and many other health techniques for the past
twenty seven years to support you when your health matters.
It's his intention to offer practical advice every week for

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you to consider and to apply in your own life
to make your life and the lives of your family
and friends healthier and happier. When you have questions, you'll
get your answers from doctor Rick himself or another expert
on the show. Being empowered to make positive health choices
before problem arises is the best way to approach health,
and doctor Rick promises to have information for you every

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week that will allow you to become proactive and empowered
to take control of your health and your life.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
You are listening to the Alternative Healthcare Network.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
Welcome to this week's show, When Your Health Matters. The
show designed to empower you to better health through knowledge
and education. And I'm your host, doctor Richard Untun from
Advanced Alternative Medicine Center. And here's my partner for the show,
your health advocate, Mark.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Well, Doc Rick. You'll walk into a doctor's office, you
have a lot of questions, but before you leave, you've
probably forgotten some of the very questions you had when
you walked in, and you might walk out and have
even more questions when you leave. Why is it so
hard to get the care that you're looking for?

Speaker 5 (02:00):
Much of health care is based upon an agenda of
simplifying the process to see more people in less time,
and ultimately prescribing medication that makes maximum profits with minimal
true solutions. I suggest you go into the office visit
with a list of questions and even ask the questions
at the end of the visit. If I think of

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more questions, how should I get them answered after I leave?
Who do I talk to and how do I contact
them directly? That's a really really important question. Again, doctors
have their agenda, they have their time crunches, they have
their restrictions based upon how many patients they have to
see and what the regulations are in order for them

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to see patients. So the more organized you can be
to extract as much information as you can from your
doctor with the time that they are going to give
you put you more in the driver's seat versus being
a passenger. So I always suggest that you go in
with a list of questions and even ask the questions

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at the end of the visit, so that you're the
one who has the final say and they're not just
simply rushing out the office.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
And why is it so many people feel like their
doctors don't even have clear answers to give them about
their health problems.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
Well because they never answer the question why do I
have this? They are always told something that doesn't answer
this simple question, simply because they have not been educated
to answer that particular question, they simply prescribe and move on.
And so the why do I have this is a
very very important question, And that's the one question that

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you want to make sure that you get an answer for.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
How often people struggle to get help even when they
go to I mean, their doctors may be good doctors,
the hospitals may be good hospitals, and still it's a
struggle to try to get the help you need.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Well, I don't have an answer to that specifically, but
I do know that it's many times, and many of
those people come to my office and have those questions answered,
and I make sure that we answer all of them.
And I don't rush people through a visit. When you
come into my office for as a new patient evaluation,
I'm gonna spend a minimum of an hour and a

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half with you, Wow, And in that hour and a
half of just focus, undivided me you time, we're gonna
get a lot of things accomplished, and we're gonna make
sure that you don't have questions. The first two agreements
that I get from anybody that sits in front of
me is the first agreement is if I say something

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you don't understand, absolutely stop me and then the second
agreement I get from them. If I say something that
you disagree with, absolutely stop me. Because if we're gonna
get to a place called better health with you being
in the driver's seat and I'm the guide that's going
to lead you there, then you have to get in

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the vehicle that we're going to use to bring you
to the place that you want to be, and the
only way you're going to do that is through agreement.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I mean that kind of leads me to my next question,
which is, you know, how do you know that you're
getting good information about your own health?

Speaker 5 (05:15):
You feel better, and you get better, and you function
better and things are just better. You know, that's that's
what the good information and you know the good applications
of that information are going to do for you. And
that's we use the tool manual muscle testing, and it
allows us to interface with your nervous system because your
nervous system has no ability to lie, and so by

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using manual muscle testing, we're able to ask questions at
a level that medical tests don't necessarily aren't able to answer,
and so we can go to a deeper level of understanding,
and we can go to a deeper level of relationships
of cause and effect, and then understand what's the best
way to manage the effect by addressing the cause.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Well, if you need surgery, you're going to try to
find the best surgeon. But if you want to avoid
surgery in the first place, what should you do?

Speaker 5 (06:08):
Then you should do your own research, ask Google for
a provider who can help you naturally before going into
the more involved medical methods. Talk to your neighbors, talk
to your co workers, talk to you know, do some
research on the internet. You know, my website is five
hundred and eighty pages of different health conditions, and so

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it's a plethora of knowledge, and it helps you to
understand the medical perspective, it helps you understand the alternative perspective,
and it gives you guidance in terms of what your
best next step would be. And so and I developed
that website over a number of years as a labor
love to compete with the most widely researched healthcare website

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that doesn't offer anything other than medication, and that's WebMD.
And so, if you go to WebMD, you're going to
be offered medication. If you want to get something other
than medication, go to spineboy dot com and use the
search bar to find what you're looking for.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Well, that's a very helpful bit of advice. Now doctors
are more and more I'm hearing doctors are recommending lifestyle changes,
and do you think that they're actually moving in the
right direction.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Yes, but do they give specifics or generalities. People need
specifics and they need education in order for that to
have some long lasting effect. And it's nice that doctors
are now recommending lifestyle changes. What you don't want is
a doctor that says, well, you need to lose weight
and leaves it at that. Now, if they're not going

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to offer you specific ways or specific programs in which
to do it, then you know, it's just receiving advice
from a stranger on the street. It's not very helpful
because you don't have the specifics.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Well, I mean in terms of weight loss. I mean
in medical training, really there's not that much time spent
on nutrition. The value of nutrition.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
Well, that's one hundred percent correct, and I don't believe
that that's changed much in the past couple of decades
since I've been in practice. But you know, nutrition is
not something that's part of their normal curriculum. They get
the basics of you know, vitamins, ab CD and you

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know where you can find those things and how you
should take them, but it doesn't get into the specifics
of nutrition and how food is God's first medicine in
order to get well.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Now, what about medical tests, I mean, do they always
lead to accurate understanding what's going on in a diagnosis?
That is true.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
Well, medical tests are the greatest tests in the world,
and it doesn't always give a clear understanding of the
cause of the problem. And many times the interpretation may
not be accurate with false positives or false negatives. And
so the tests are fine, but don't let the test
be what the final determiner is in terms of what

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needs to be done and what the diagnosis is.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I mean, that's true because two doctors can look at
the same tests and actually interpret them differently, can't They.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
They can, and it's based on their experience and their tools,
and not all doctors have the same understanding, training or experience.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
And so.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
You want to be able to have a very frank
conversation with your doctor, and you want them to be
able to just treat you like a human being and
not as a health condition or not as a health crisis.
You want somebody that understands who you are and how
your life functions and what it takes in order to
gain their trusts so that they will listen to the

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advice that you're asking them to listen to and they
will follow through because they trust you.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
So what are the smartest questions you can ask to
try to understand what your diagnosis is and what your
treatment options are.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
Ask questions like can you translate my diagnosis to a
more basic level and explain to me why you're recommending
these specific treatment options that you are. Are there other
treatment options? Like what is the best thing that you
can give me advice? Wise, it's going to help me
get in front of this problem as opposed to chasing it.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
And doctors are under just an enormous amount of pressure
from insurance companies, from the paperwork that's got to affect
the way that they're treating their patients.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
Well, I can only imagine the answer is yes, because
I don't accept insurance. Therefore I don't have those same pressures.
I work for my patient, I don't work for their
insurance company. And so many sick people and so much
pressure can get to the patient, to get to the
next patient is important to understand, and as a result,
many times things are missed or dropped or misinterpreted, and

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things fall through the cracks. And I don't want that
for anybody. If you're consulting with a health professional and
you've gotten to the point where you're willing to take
advice from a professional and hopefully make your situation better,
you shouldn't be somebody that falls through a crack.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Now, with all the specialists and the referrals that are necessary,
is it hard for a patient to get seen as
a whole, entire person.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
In my experience outside my office, yes, people are treated
as their specific diagnosis and are not a person anymore.
And that's one of the main reasons people seek out
my care where they are now always a person first,
and they leave with a full understanding of their quote,
diagnosis and what they need to do to take positive
action to address their issues.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
So how do you approach patients differently?

Speaker 5 (11:47):
I understand the relationship. They are the boss. I'm their
employee whose job it is to inform them and to
help them back to balance and to give them a
product that they're interested in having.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Now, let's say you've got something going on with your health,
and should you try to approach somebody the moment you
notice something doesn't feel quite right.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
Oh, absolutely, you want to ask about it. Stop doing
what you're doing and ask about it and get an
understanding of what that represents and how are you going
to address it.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Now. A lot of times, if you've got something going
on with your health, you've been prescribed some kind of
medication and maybe you haven't started taking it yet. What
are the questions that you should ask before you start
taking a new medication?

Speaker 5 (12:32):
Well, the best question is is what should I expect
when I start taking this medication? Are there side effects
that I should be aware of? And what should I
do if I experience any of those side effects? You
want to have a full education and a full understanding
on what to expect before agreeing to the process. And
that's whether you're doing medication, or whether you're going in

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for surgery, or whether you're doing something that's a little
bit less invasive by coming to my office to you
want to ask those questions. You want to be fully
informed about what to expect and then go from there.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, I mean, are drugs or medications ever curative or
are they really just managing the symptoms that you already have.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
Well, cure is not a word that can be used
within the healthcare system, So all medication is about managing
the symptoms and or the current condition.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
So if you're managing a symptom, are you just leaving
kind of the condition that you have underlying that just
in a status quo or would that condition potentially get
worse as you continue to take the medication.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
Well, treating symptoms when at the end of the life
can make sense for comfort, and most times it only
makes the problem worse, and the underlying cause is being
suppressed and ignored and not being addressed the way that
it should be addressed, and so treating symptoms sometimes that's important.

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But just because your symptoms are gone doesn't mean that
the underlying issue is gone. And you want to work
with somebody that's going to help to manage you back
to your best health possible, and symptoms will disappear along
the way.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Part of the process of getting a diagnosis is going
through potentially going through the tests to identify what the
issue is. But those tests don't do anything to solve
the problem. So how do you move from a diagnosis
to healing well.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
I recommend you work with a healer who knows how
to heal and not manage symptoms with medications. And so
when you go to a true healer, you're going to
get the education and the understanding that you need to
take ownership of whatever the condition that you have is
because it's yours. And then hopefully the practitioner is both smart, knowledgeable,

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and compassionate about the process that you're going to go
through in order to get you back to being well.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
I mean, we don't. I don't think we refer to
doctors or the medical profession as anymore as healers do.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
It, not that I'm aware of.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
I mean, when we think about healers, we'll think about
people like you who do alternative medicine, We'll think about
other forms of health interventions, but we rarely think about
doctors as healers. They're just really treating you when you're sick.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
Right, And that's because they want you to hold the
doctor in a high regard, and so they've created that
level of discrepancy of instead of being on the same level,
which is how I treat all of my patients. There's
a you know, you're paying homage to somebody that's that's
got higher knowledge and higher wisdom, and you're hoping that

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they're going to be willing to impart some of that
to you, and you pay homage to them in the process.
And that's kind of the opposite of what I do
in my office, is I pay homage to the patient
for being in my office and asking the right questions
and wanting to get a true understanding of how to
restore balance to themselves naturally. And so I'm just happy

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to work for the people that are truly in my
office for the right reasons, because they want to get
well without the drugs or surgery.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
I just wonder if a lot of what we consider
medicine today is an outgrowth of what happened during some
of the wars, starting maybe with a civil war where
you had intense injuries, or the First World War. The
development of things like penicillin. The I guess was in
after the First World War when we were dealing with

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those types of injuries that happened to amongst military personnel,
or you had pandemics like the nineteen eighteen flu epidemic
when people were dying that people are looking for how
do you deal with those basically potentially life ending scenarios
as opposed to when you think about what healing is,

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which is about more the kind of thing where you're
maintaining somebody's health, where you're helping somebody nurture back to health.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
Right one is about crisis intervention, and those are certainly important.
The people that work in the emergency room, in the
emergency department, those crisis care interventionists are very, very valuable
for people who are in crises. A majority of people
never get into a crisis. They just have wear and tear,
and they don't take care of themselves the way that
they're supposed to, and so they slowly start to grow

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imbalances and disease, and eventually it gets full blown where
now it's a quote health condition that requires medical intervention.
My job is to support a person where they're at,
and my intention is to try to help a person
to never end up being sick and to never end
up with some sort of long range chronic health issue

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by helping them never get to a point where things
become chronically ill.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
I mean, you do see people who have some condition
and continue to help them to improve the health even
if they may be not able to get to one
hundred percent.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
Oh yeah, there are people who they've had their condition
for so long that we're not going to get their
eighty year old spine to look like it was twenty again.
So what do we do. We do the best that
we can to help them manage the state that they're at,
and we support them to get better. But I don't

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ever anticipate their condition reversing back to just being one
hundred percent pure healthy. But we can get them to
the highest level of health that they can live with
that is out of pain and is out of active symptoms.
And you know, as one gets older as you and
I both are, you know, things don't bounce back as

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quickly as they did when we were in our twenties.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
No, they don't. Well, this is a great conversation, Doc, Greg.
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Speaker 1 (19:52):
As we continue this conversation today, Doc Rick, what can
you do to ask better questions and find the right
practitioners and build a true partnership for your health.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
Well, you want to do your own research, You want
to interview the doctors, and you want to read their websites.
Perhaps they have reviews that may be helpful, and sometimes
their reviews aren't necessarily accurate. Sometimes people post reviews because
they're unhappy with what they're dealing with, and instead of
addressing the issue that they're upset about, they take their

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anger out on the office that they're trying to get
help from, or didn't get the help that they were expecting.
But you know, at the end of the day. You
want to do your own research, and you want to
take the time to sit with the doctor and ask
the doctor all the questions that you have. And that's
why when you come to my office, we spend an
hour and a half and we make sure that we

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get to answering all their questions before we're done with
the office visit. And that's why it takes an hour
and a half.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Why should people seek healthcare before they actually get sick.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
Well, it's better to be proactive than reactive it comes
to avoiding sickness.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Makes sense to me. What kind of question should a
person ask during the visit.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
Well, that depends on their reason for the visit, basics
like what is wrong with me? And what is causing
the problem? And how is what you are suggesting going
to fully address my issue? Can I think about it?
You need to be informed and comfortable with what you're
being told, and you need to make sure that you

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have asked all your questions before moving forward. And a
lot of times the questions may not be able to
be answered initially until they start with the care, and
then the care will start to answer some of the
questions that you didn't necessarily ask to begin with, So.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
How do you know that you're actually receiving the quality
care that you were after.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
You get better? It's pretty cut and dry.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Pretty cut and dry. Yeah, do you really need great
health insurance to get great care?

Speaker 5 (21:58):
No? And it may help help if you do, and
it may lead you down a whole bunch of unnecessary
tests because your great insurance will pay for them, even
if they have nothing to do with what your concern is.
And it's just a question of having good judgment and
asking the right questions and making sure you're not being
led down a path that isn't related to what it

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is that you're there to begin with.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Now, many doctors aren't given much time to talk to
their patients, and it would seem to me that that's
got to be hurting the doctor patient relationship.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
Well, trust me, the doctor will talk as they need
to talk to move the process forward, and they may
not give you an opportunity to ask questions or for
you to respond to whatever it is that you're being told.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
So must I mean, how challenging is it to be
a doctor today? And I mean all that all that
they're doing, the paperwork, having to report all these things
to be have the right numbers of the right the
right treatments, or the right issues that they're treating. It
just seems like they're getting farther and farther away from

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actually dealing with their patients and their.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
Patients well, it is, and it's very challenging, and people
want answers, and they are impatient when their research may
indicate something the doctor doesn't even know or understand or
isn't even asking questions about. And so most doctors don't
necessarily like Google because they now have to deal with
the fallout of the patient maybe having a thought in

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their mind that may or may not be accurate to
what it is that they're dealing with. So I am
happy to refer people to Google to get a deeper
understanding if what we're talking about isn't necessarily that I,
while the patient's sitting with me, we will actually do
a Google search together for the symptoms and side effects

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associated with the medication or medications that they're on, and
we will help to give them ammunition if you will,
to go back to their medical doctor and ask about
is there a better solution because I don't like the
side effects of the medications that you've recommended to me.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
I mean, it seems a lot of times you go
to the doctor and you say I've got this problem
and then they just immediately send you in for some
kind of medical test.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
Well, yeah, the test has got two purposes. It One,
it helps to identify what the problem is, and be
it helps them generate a lot of income based upon
a passive test that the insurance company is guaranteed to
pay for.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
So, I mean, with all that's happening and the fact
that you know, you go to see the doctor, they
don't have time to spend with you, it seems like
very stressful for them. And from what I can see,
a lot of the medical professional professionals are kind of
leaving their practices.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
Well, there is some of that that's going on. And
the sad part is is because it is a grinding situation,
there's a lot of pressure to live up to somebody
else's expectations. That happens to be the person that pays you,
and those are insurance companies. And so the insurance companies
are creating more and more and more restrictions and more

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and more and more oversight in an effort to restrict
what they're paying out. As part of the premiums that
they collect, and let's face it, they're in the business
of making money, and so if they can collect premiums
and then use those premiums in order to help their customers,
the people that sign up for insurance, but they get

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to keep a majority of those profits. That's a good
business model for the insurance company. So they're going to
fight tooth and nail to make sure that they'll only
cover what they feel is reasonable and customary. They're not
going to necessarily cover any ancillaries, and sometimes the patient
may need some ancillaries.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, And it would seem to me that the amount
of information that the doctors have to have top of
mind is quite quite amazing, because they're looking at all
the different medications to treat, the different conditions they need,
all the tests that they need to do, all the
complications that might happen, and still they're trying to deal
with a person who comes in and that person says,

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I just want to know why I have this ache
on the side of my chest, and how do we
get to an answer. If I went to you with
that same kind of question, It's like, my doc, my
chest hurts over here on the right side what's going on?
I can't figure it out?

Speaker 5 (26:31):
Well, I would simply evaluate them for what is in
the area anatomically, and we can focus at the skin
surface level. We can look at the muscular level, we
can look at the bone level, we can look at
the organ level, we can look at the system level,
and we can figure out on what level that their

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problem is existing at and then ultimately what's causing that
to occur. And then once we understand what the cause is, well,
now we can find a mechanism to treat the problem,
to remedy the situation so that whatever symptom or discomfort
that they have goes away.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
So you wouldn't necessarily go through like an MRI test
or an X ray to find that information. How would
you go about finding that information?

Speaker 5 (27:19):
Well, I use manual muscle testing, which is a form
of neurofeedback that helps me to interact with their nervous system,
which is the main controller of how your body functions
and ultimately how it communicates. And when you tap into
that communication system, you can find where the blocks are,
where the hindrances are, and where the upset is and

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ultimately what the underlying cause is for what's going on
with them, And I find it very exhilarating to be
able to explain to a person exactly what's going on
with them. They may not necessarily like the answer, but
I'm going to be completely transparent and totally authentic when
help helping a person to understand what's going on with

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them and then offering them what a solution out of
their circumstance happens to be, and then give them the option.
They can, you know, choose to do what we're going
to ask them to do and commit to the care,
or they can choose not to do it and go
someplace else.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Well, I wonder about you know, a lot of things
that go on with somebody's health might be closely related,
and the doctors might sit there and analyze it as
this or is it something slightly different or something that's different,
all of which are affecting. Say the one air, say
it's your gallbladder. When you go in and somebody has

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an imbalance in their gallbladder, do you treat that imbalance
as a general thing and does it tart because you're
supporting the gallblader's health, does the gallblader know how to
heal itself? Well?

Speaker 5 (28:52):
The body knows how to heal itself, including the gallbladder. Unfortunately,
a lot of times in the medical world, we don't
give people the opportunity to address why their gallbladder is
so angry and upset. They take over a million gallbladders
out a year in this country and I can't do that.
So I need to understand all the relationships that impact

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the gallbladder, emotions being a big one. There's ten emotions
that negatively impact how the gallbladder functions, and those are
the emotions of anger, resentment, being pissed off, stubbornness, emotional repression, depression, indecision, irrationality, frustration,
and aggression. And we can help to identify what the

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emotion is that's irritating the gallbladder. We can check to
see if there's any toxicity that's impacting the gallbladder. We
can check to see if there's any nutritional deficiency that's
not allowing the gallbladder to function properly. We can make
sure that there's no sensitivity or allergy that's impacting the gallbladder.
We certainly, as a chiropracture we deal with the structural

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aspect of what goes on within the body and making
sure that the structural pathways that allow for the brain
to communicate to the gallbladder open and patent. And then
last but not least, we always have to consider that
the problem is we're all spiritual beings in a physical
body having a human experience, but ultimately we're spirit so

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we may find that their challenge happens to be with
a spiritual integration to being in a physical body.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Well, and none of that's really dependent upon taking medical
tests and all those X rays and things like that.
You're actually dealing directly with the patient.

Speaker 5 (30:37):
Directly with the patient their emotional reality and how their
nervous system is communicating, whatever the imbalances are.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
So, do you think that science has actually reached a
limit in terms of what it can understand about health
from a medical standpoint?

Speaker 5 (30:53):
Reached the limit? No, there will always be deeper understandings
than the practitioner has to be willing to keep the
education and keep up with the education themselves. You know,
I am always reading health information and trying to get
an understanding of what the latest most advanced understandings are

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about what goes on and Taylor, what it is that
I have knowledge base wise to the people that come
to see me.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Now, in terms of finding out who the right healthcare
practitioner is for your particular needs, what are the kind
of questions you would need to be able to ask, Well, again,
do your own research, Go interview the doctor and ask
all your questions about their philosophy and does it align
with yours?

Speaker 5 (31:43):
And make sure you honor your perspective the whole time.
You may not find an exact match, but if you
can find somebody that understands eighty percent and looks at
things eighty percent of the way that you do, that's
probably a good match. And just know that they percent
that doesn't line up may actually expand your level of

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understanding and your perspective. But you have to become informed
and educated yourself. And the way that you do that
is you need to read the information that's available to
help you make heads or tails out of what's going on.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Now. If you're on this process of looking for a
way to get the kind of healthcare you need, are
there safe ways to reduce or avoid the need for
taking medications?

Speaker 5 (32:30):
Well always, and you will have to look for those
doctors and offices that are more in the vein of
that kind of care. And so, yeah, you definitely want
to do some research.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I mean, I like the way that you said that
you work for your patients, but I wonder is it
true that the doctors are actually working for the system
that pays them, and so therefore their focus is a
bit split on helping the patients but also working for
their boss.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
Well, yeah, that depends on the practitioner and their willingness
to work for the patient of the insurance company. If
you want to use your insurance, then you have to.
You've just given away the right to have a doctor
work for you, because there's going to work for who's
ever paying them. And so if you don't use your insurance,
and then you interview your doctor and you find one

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that philosophically and ethically is in line with you, then
use them. In my office, I don't accept direct insurance
as a form of payment, but I can certainly give
you a receipt that you can submit to your carrier
so that you can get reimbursed from them. Because the
health insurance that you have is yours, they have a
relationship with you. They don't have a relationship with me,

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and so they'll be much more inclined to making you
happy because you're their subscriber that keeps their doors open,
so they'll be more inclined to reimburse you. And I've
in the past waited over a year to get paid
for services that I do over a year ago.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Not a very workable way to make a living.

Speaker 5 (34:04):
Definitely not.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
So. Your whole entire path is really quite different from
the fundamental ways of how you get paid, but also
how you deal with your patients in terms of the
time you spend and things like that. How does it
actually work when you're in the office with you How
does your actual practice work?

Speaker 5 (34:22):
Well, it works quite well. I work for the person
they come to me for care, and I educate them
every step of the way, and we develop a good
symbiosis and we're always on the same page before we
move forward, and when they come back for their next visit,
I always recap where we've were last time and what

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we're going to be accomplishing this time. And when we've
accomplished that, then we schedule them for their next appointment,
and we give them instructions on what they need to
be doing between visits in order to support their process
of continually moving forward.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
And how about when somebody comes to you that has
not been able to get the help that they're looking
for from the traditional medical world.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
Well, if you're looking for solutions, medicine doesn't have answers
to you will need to find a different option, and
I offer those options. But you know, it can be
frustrating that you think that your insurance is going to
pay for you to find a solution, but yet you
can't find somebody that's going to offer you the actual solution.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, I mean when you're working with what you're doing.
So the modern medicine approach and the alternative medicine approach
can actually work together effectively.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
Well, only if the medical profession is willing. If they're
trying to control the situation and control their financial rewards
and dominating their patient to submit to whatever it is
that they're offering, then it kind of makes the situation
a little bit untenable.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Now, how can somebody that's out out there know whether
a holistic or an alternative approach is right for them
and will be effective for them.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
Well, you need to give it a shot and ask
lots of questions along the way and see what kind
of results that you get.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
All Right, Well, this has been a very interesting first
couple of parts of our conversation today, we need to
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Speaker 1 (37:17):
How do you move towards better health both safely and effectively?

Speaker 5 (37:21):
Well, you want to get educated and take educated steps
to move forward, and you want to reassess constantly along
the way, and you know, if it doesn't make sense
to you, keep asking questions until it does. Before you
move forward. It's just you know, you have to become
an informed consumer and take an active role and being
proactive with getting your education and understanding before saying yes.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
I mean, there's so many things that are influencing what's
going on in our world in modern life. There's a diet,
the fact that we get so much sugar in our diets.
There's pollution, there's stress. So how can people rebuild their
health naturally?

Speaker 5 (38:00):
Well, you want to eat real food, you want to
drink plenty of water, You want to get proper exercise,
and you want to get proper sleep. And you want
to be able to manage your stress to what is
considered a tolerable level, not stress that's overwhelming.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
So what's the measurement of your progress?

Speaker 5 (38:19):
In my office, we check for progress every visit and
we see the progress happening before we move on to
whatever next is. And we get the progress feedback from
the patient themselves.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
And when you go to see the doctor and they
prescribe some medication what should you ask about the side effects?

Speaker 5 (38:37):
You should ask are there any side effects? Because you
need to know about how you're going to feel and
how the medication will affect you before you start taking it,
and then once you understand that, then you can make
the best decision for you.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
And when you're talking about the kinds of nutritional supplements
and other kinds of supplements that you give, are there
side effects to those?

Speaker 5 (39:00):
If getting healthy is the side effect, the answer is yes,
that's the side effect. If it's the right supplement for them,
then there won't be any side effects other than feeling
and functioning better.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
How often do people take more drugs just offset the
side effects they're having from the medications they're taking?

Speaker 5 (39:21):
Very often, and it's only compounding their original problem because
their original problem isn't being addressed at all. And so
by masking your problem with the medication that creates side
effects that you then mask with another medication to eliminate
those side effects, the original problems never addressed and was
never properly addressed, so it's still there even though you're

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battling with the medication.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
So when is medication absolutely necessary and when might there
be other options? Well?

Speaker 5 (39:50):
That's a tough call. Always try conservative care before going
to the hardcore medication, and that's a personal decision, and
finding a practitioner if it's willing to understand where the
line is and helping you walk that line so that
you stay on the conservative side as opposed to the
more invasive side.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
So, speaking of staying on that line, if you want
to stop medications you're already taking, is there a safe
way to taper off them or eliminate them?

Speaker 5 (40:15):
Only if you have a practitioner who knows how to
do that. I've been helping patients do that for over
thirty years and it's not a difficult process. You just
need to have a willing participant, and you need to
be aware of what the potential consequences are. And you
always want to either pull in their medical doctor to
help them understand that we're trying to get off the
medication or the pharmacist that is, the ones in charge

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of prescribing the medication.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
So sometimes surgery may be unavoidable, and if it is,
how can a holistic help care professional provide methods for
you to be covered more readily?

Speaker 5 (40:50):
Well by supporting the body nutritionally and physically to heal.
Having the resources to heal is what allows the healing
to occur. Without the resources, healing may not take place
at all. So when a patient had a broken bone
that refused to heal with medicine over a number of months,
we supported them with nutrition and it healed in six weeks.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Now, what's the best way to ask your doctor about
using alternative or complimentary medicine?

Speaker 5 (41:15):
Oh, simply ask them. You're the boss. You are allowed
to ask questions in your best interest and they need
to provide answers. And if they don't, then go ask
an alternative or complimentary doctor themselves directly.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
But I mean, some people think that they're worried that
an alternative medicine practice isn't necessarily scientific. How do you
respond to that?

Speaker 5 (41:38):
Oh, after laughing about it? No, I'm kidding. I'm happy
to show them the science that is needed to validate
what it is that I do, and you know the
results that we get and explain it to them in
bite sized pieces that will allow them to digest the
understanding to get to a place of better and more

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relaxed state in an effort for them to move forward.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
I mean, you've been doing this for nearly forty years.
What kind of results have you seen when people actually
commit to doing a holistic program.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
The return to full health and absolutely no issues.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
I guess that goes to the point of why do
you actually emphasize so much on finding the underlying cause
rather than treating whatever it is it hurts well?

Speaker 5 (42:28):
Treating the symptom and not addressing the underlying problem does
not allow the problem to go away ever, and so
it ends up becoming chronic. And there are certain practitioners
out there and health officers out there that will make
a living off of managing a person's condition. I don't
want to manage anything. I want to fix things and
move on. And so my intention is is to fix

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your problem as quickly as I possibly can once we
understand what's interfering with the problem from going away.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
So how do you evaluate someone's health that's different than
what a conventional doctor would do.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
I check the functional communication and the results of proper
communication to address the problem, and we remove the interference
and support the body to heal, and the problem then
goes away.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
In terms of that process of healing, how important is
it for the patient to have an open mind?

Speaker 5 (43:22):
If your mind is not open, solutions can't be found.
It's kind of like a parachute. It only opens, it
only works when it's open.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Are there every situations where you can't help, where you
need to refer them to someone else?

Speaker 5 (43:36):
At this point in my career, only if a person
is asking to go somewhere else. Otherwise I address what
is causing the problem and all ends. Well, they just
have to commit to the process, and they need to
have a little bit of faith that it's going to
take time. But when they ask the right questions or
when I give them the understandings that they need, they
need to hear what's being said so that they can

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strengthen their resolve to committing to the process.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Well, I know that you've dealt with patients who have
had terminal diagnoses, and it's not that you're necessarily going
to be able to turn somebody around from say, having
stage four cancer and then curing the cancer. You're going
to be able to make their life as good as
it can possibly be with the underlying conditions that they're facing.

Speaker 5 (44:22):
Absolutely, and so what's important is to meet the person
where they're at and to encourage them in a positive
direction to help pull them out of their situation. Any
of the advanced stage cancers that have come to me
for care, I've gotten everybody's mindset turned around in a
positive direction. Some of the other care practices that they

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have participated in while they're also under my care have
been ultimately the downfall of what ultimately helped the person
to succumb to their condition. And it's always sad when
that happens, and it's always very disappointing. But what I
have seen over the last thirty five almost forty years

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is that when people do the right action for the
particular problem, as revealed to both of us through asking
their body questions using manual muscle testing, they always seem
to move in the right direction and get well. And
if they do it accurately for a long enough period
of time, I do expect their problem to go away.
And you know, it doesn't matter what stage of their

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disease that they're dealing with. When a person comes to
me with advanced stage pancreatic cancer, advanced stage four pancreatic cancer,
and we go from having to physically carry them out
of the car into the office to them walking on
their own power about three and a half months later,
it's very validating and it's very affirming that the care

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and the techniques that we use in order to support
people are valid and they do get results. And so
it's important for the consumer who's out there to take
the time to interview your doctor and ask all your questions,
and the doctor should be willing to weed through the
answers to your questions in an effort to help them.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
I mean, one of the things that you said was
that you work with your patients. It's really a collaborative
journey that you're on if you're helping somebody restore their health.

Speaker 5 (46:28):
Oh, absolutely, because at the end of the day, it's
about the person with the issue, and it's about me
helping facilitate their better understanding and expanding their knowledge based
understanding of their conditions so that they can take right
action or just go into agreement with what it is
that we're going to do for them so that there's

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no resistance. And when you got two people with great
intention moving in the same direction, miracles happen.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
So what kind of treatments do you use to help
people regain their balance and vitality.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
Well, we use all sorts of treatments. We use chiropractic,
we use nutrition, we use homeopathy, we use emotional healing
with resetting the body's reflexes. We support the body to
express its highest and best health in all ways, and uh,
whatever it takes in order to get the body to
move in the right direction. That's why we have, you know,

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thirty two different alternative health care techniques, and we apply
the ones that are appropriate for the situation. And there's
a lot of redundancy and overlap between the different techniques,
and so I can validate four or five even six
different ways that something's moving in the right direction and
that they're healing, and we just continue to support them

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based upon what their body asks for.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
So are there are there main ways that you treat
somebody that are kind of the mainstay of your practice
or do you use? Are all thirty two of them
equally used?

Speaker 5 (47:55):
Well, the primary techniques that I use are are total
body modification. Certainly chiropractic. We do a lot of you
land nutritional services to help focus in on and understand
the nutritional deficiencies. Everybody is an emotional being. Everybody's health
problem has an emotional component. So we are going to

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use some neuroemotional technique, and it's everything's done on a
case by case visit. Everybody's treatment is unique and specific
to them because not everybody is the same. In fact,
everybody is different from everybody else.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
And one of the things you keep advocating, I think,
is about being proactive about your health. So one of
the ways that maybe differentiates the approach that you have
is you're not being reactive to the condition. You're being
proactive so that you can get ahead.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
Of it absolutely, and wellness returns and health prevails when
you address the body in the appropriate fashion. You're not
trying to force anything. You're not trying to cause it
to do something that isn't in its highest and best interest.
And that's unfortunately what medicine does. This bypasses the nervous
system's ability to regulate, and it regulates in spite of

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what the nervous system is doing in an effort to
quote correct the flow of how the body's functioning, but
again coming with harmful side effects that shouldn't be part
of the equation.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
But you don't have side effects in what you're doing
with people.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
The side effects of what I do is return to
health and wellness.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
M H and will that. I mean, does that happen
immediately or is that something that takes time, or how
do you evaluate whether somebody is going to find you know,
I'm going to go see Doc Rick now, and that
you might say it's going to take six months for
us to help you restore your well.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
At the end of the day, it depends upon how
much baggage they're bringing with their condition. You know, I
had a woman come into my office the other day
and she'd had a hip problem for a long period
of time, and you know, somebody was true eating it
as sciatica and they were getting adjustments till the cows
came home, and it wasn't changing what their situation was.
And that was because the practitioner didn't understand that, yes,

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they had a puriformis spasm putting pressure on the sciatic nerve,
causing them to have leg pain. But the reason why
they had pressure on their siatic nerve due to a
spasm in their pureiformance muscle was because they had an
antior hip sublization. And so you couldn't adjust the lope
back until the cows come home. And you're not going
to put back that hip. I put that hip back,

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had her get up and walk out to her car,
across the parking lot and then come back, and she
was just like, that's amazing. I said, what she's like,
I didn't feel any of it walking across the parking
lot and back. For her, that was an instantaneous results.
But what we needed her to understand is, yeah, I
could put the bone back, but the next time you

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stress that situation out, it's going to pop back again.
So we need we need to understand, well, what's the
mechanism for why that hip popped out to begin with,
And that's ninety nine times out of one hundred, that's
a hormonal issue. And so now we get into looking
at the body more holistically and what we need to
do to support the mechanism for why the hip went
out to begin with. Putting the hip back isn't hard.

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I could treat a five year old, teach a five
year old how to do that, but knowing when to
do it, when not to do it, knowing how to
recognize it, and then knowing what to do to unravel
the reason for why it happened to begin with. Because
you should never have a hip pop out, and yet
it happens all the time. I probably treat seven or
eight every week in my office.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Well, so that seems like one of those more popular,
for lack of a better word, injuries that you see.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
Well, it's a popular pattern that a body takes based
upon specific deficiencies going on within the body and understanding
those deficiencies and how to address them. Interestingly enough, putting
the hip back wasn't hard, but also understanding that you
have to adjust the first cervical vertebrae on the same
side of the hip in order to lock that hip

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in so that it doesn't just pop out the second
they leave your office. That's also important. I've heard many
times over many years, many different people say that, yeah,
I get that adjustment, and it's back out again by
the time I get out to my car, and I'm like, well,
that's not acceptable, and I'm going to make sure that
you can even stress it a little bit and have
it not pop out again. But that's It's about having

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a certain amount of clinical understanding and experience and knowing
how to recognize what the underlying cause is and not
just simply treating where the symptom is and hopes to
make the symptom go away.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Well, this has been a great conversation. Doc Greig, girls
out of time for today, but before we go, I'd
like to give you an opportunity to let people know
what the best ways to reach out to you are well.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
The best way to reach out to me would be
to call my cell phone directly at area code eight
four to five five six one two two two five
again eight four to five five six one two two
two five. That is my personal sell I will be
the one answering the phone. If I am not one
answering the phone, then leave a message and I will
call you back as quickly as I possibly can. Please

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don't text my phone because I'm terrible at getting back
to text and it's very intrusive if you're texting me
without even me knowing who you are. And people do
that all the time and I don't really get back
to them at all because I don't know even who
I'm dealing with. So if you're going to text me,
take the time to introduce who you are, what you're
calling about or texting about, and I will get back

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to you as soon as possible. The third way is
to email me directly at doc Rick at spineboy dot com.
That's doc Riick at spineboy dot com, and I answer
my emails every single day, and it would be my
pleasure to help you to better understanding with your health.
I hope the listener today understands my passion and my

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dedication for wanting to help you with your health. But
only you decide when your health matters. So when it matters,
please reach out to me and let's uh spend some
time together and figure out how to restore your health
once and for all. So I want to thank you
for tuning in. I want to thank Mark for putting
this show together, and I'd ask you to tune back

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in next week, same health time, same health station. This
is doctor Richard Huntune from Advanced Alternative Medicine Center saying,
I'll look forward to supporting you when you're health matters.

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