Cowboys StoryLine: Schott-Callers

The first show after the Schottenheimer hiring had some mixed views about the head coach but never short on opinions.

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Storyline with Nick Eatman. What's up? Welcome to Cowboys Storyline.
I am Nick Eatman. Wednesday, January twenty ninth. It's our
first show since our new coaching hire of Brian Schottenheimer,
the news head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Who saw

(00:37):
that one coming, Maybe Jerry, Jerry and Steven saw that
one coming, not really not anyone else. Maybe Schottenheimer had
a vision for it as well. But you know, by
the time the news broke Friday night, it wasn't that
much of a surprise at that point. And then certainly

(00:57):
when the announcement came on Monday, everybody knew the deal.
But still I think we're all kind of, uh, kind
of wrapping our our mind around this one, and and
and uh trying to see what's the next move and
and and the next coordinators and and the the next
coaches and and how this staff gets put together. But

(01:18):
you know, it was it's been a it's been a
week already and we're just still trying to figure it
all out. But it's it's been a fun week. Uh,
anytime that there's change, I think that there's some excitement
that goes with that. And so I want to hear
from you guys, and here here what you have to say.
I think, Uh eight eight eight eight five five two
two nine seven is the number to call Chris, who

(01:43):
we got on the line, and we said, you had
some callers who we got for Anthony and Miami. Anthony
and Miami. All right, our stuff isn't working today, but
that's all right. Anthony Miami, what's up?

Speaker 5 (01:53):
My god?

Speaker 6 (01:54):
Nick the Quick? How you doing man? How are you
Nick the Quick? Your boy Anthony Miami is doing fine.
Because whether they like it or not, it's coach Shoddy time.
So I'm all, I'm down for it. I'm not gonna
say I saw it that it'll be lying. I didn't
see a big name. I didn't see coach Prime. Then
me and some people were just saying that we thought

(02:15):
coach Prime would do it. If Dak hadn't got signed,
then it might have gotten interesting for him to come
and probably get a son. But I really thought coach
Zimmer would get it, and coach Shottenheim or somebody like
that would get the offensive coordinator. So I'm as positive
as I am a supportive of course, if you were
that star or you're all about that star, I support you.

(02:36):
So Coach Shottenheim, I support you. I support your staff,
I support our players. That's just what I do.

Speaker 7 (02:42):
Man.

Speaker 6 (02:42):
I hope you do well. Do some of the things
you said you're gonna do. That looks like it was
turned away or somebody was like, all right, we're not
gonna do that. I guess that's where that bite and
the tongue thing came in at. So it sounds great,
and I hope he has a great successful life.

Speaker 8 (02:58):
It's all I got him.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Let some other thanks, Anthony, appreciate the call. You know,
the the word deference was used a couple of times
and like you like you alluded to and uh, you
know that there's time and that's that's a lot of coaches.
When you think about it, and not just coaching in
the coaching world, think about your own job and you're
in meetings and when where there's people that that are

(03:20):
above you making decisions. There's a lot of decisions that
people don't always make and how do they handle that?
What's the best way to to you know, combat that
and say, all right, I don't agree, here's why, and
or you say, in this case, you let this one
side and and I think that that happens a lot.

(03:41):
The simple fact that that your that your offensive coordinator
who didn't call the plays uh for last year's offense
that wasn't wasn't very consistent, wasn't very prepared, had a
lot of issues, had injury issues too, but but had
had had problems in a lot of areas. The fact
that you're offensive coordinator is is now the head coach

(04:03):
of the team, and your head coach is not going
to coach this year. He's gone and doesn't didn't doesn't
look like he's going to get another job. And so
that right there just goes to show to me just
how much difference of opinion that they had and how
much that they think things can change, Because a lot
of times when something like that happens, you're like, all right,

(04:25):
get rid of all that, all that on that side
of the ball, it's not working well. The fact that
your offensive coordinator is now your head coach makes me
think that they believe and there's enough people in that building, players, coaches, scouts, whatever,
front office that feel like that there was much of
a difference of opinion that they can they can keep
continuity at the same time and also some change that's

(04:48):
needed to all right, let's go to Dylan Northport, Florida, FA.

Speaker 9 (04:54):
Minute, man, I hope you're doing well.

Speaker 10 (04:55):
Yeah, how are you good?

Speaker 9 (04:58):
Talk about the Schottenheimer stuff. Obviously, I'm kind of in
a weird spot mentally with this whole thing. And here's
why I'm okay with the Shottenheimer higher. I actually think
it might secretly kind of be a good higher. On
the down low, he said all the right things.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
That's presser.

Speaker 9 (05:13):
He wants to run the ball more, mirror the ground
in the passing game. All that sounds great, so let's
go do it. But here's where it's weird for me mentally,
Like if I'm okay with the shot in Heimer higher,
but I'm mad at the process. I feel like those
are contradictory thoughts and this Brian's the right higher, right,
and that's who we got, And why am I upset
about the process in which we got them. I feel

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like us, as fanned myself included, our thoughts and opinions change,
like with the wind right, It's like one day we
think this the next day, we think that, and I
think that we sometimes overvalue maybe our feelings, our thoughts
on and the influence we have over Jerry and his
decision making. And I don't want Jerry the GM Jerry

(05:55):
making decisions based on what we want as fans because
we don't really know what's going on at the end
of the day. We don't know the ins and outs.
And I think that everybody that's upset about it, they're
kind of coming around to it now as far as
Schottenheimer being the coach, whereas just the day ago, it's
like everybody was up in arms the day before the
pressor the mob was out in full force. And so
I think that sometimes us as fans and myself include,

(06:18):
we've got to take a step back right and look
at the holistic picture. And it's like, I think this
guy is going to be okay. And I think that's
the feeling everybody has on Twitter right now.

Speaker 7 (06:26):
This Guy's going to be okay.

Speaker 9 (06:27):
So, like, what are we really upset about as far
as how the process went and interviewing him and the
other candidates?

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Are you asking me or I mean I don't know, Like,
like I get what you're saying like I get that,
and you're like, well, you know what, I think we're
going to come around on it. And not to be
a smart ass about it, but I look at it like, well,
what if you weren't, you know, like like what if?
What if? And there are some fans that aren't excited
about it, and and they're not going to come around

(06:55):
on this. What what does that mean? I mean like, like,
we've been through worse than this. I say it all
the time. If you're a Cowboy fan, and you're one
of those to say, I've been a fan forever and
all this, You've seen worse than this. You've seen worse teams,
worse situations, and even though you think that you haven't,
you have. And so I I'm one of those. I'm

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not going to sit here and say like, oh yeah, guys,
get on board one hundred percent because you know, this
is why he's going to be great. I I he
wasn't my pick. I didn't even think he was going
to be interviewed. So I'm not going to sit here
now and tell you this is why he's going to
be great. What I am going to tell you is
is that if we have to give him a chance
because he's the coach and he if he didn't impress

(07:42):
you with what you saw, then you're probably just not
going to be impressed. He was impressed.

Speaker 9 (07:48):
Well, he's a big risk, according to Jerry.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
I don't agree with that, and I don't and I
don't agree with that. I don't see.

Speaker 9 (07:54):
That was the most awkward part of the whole interview.

Speaker 7 (07:57):
Man.

Speaker 9 (07:57):
That made me feel so uncomfortable, he said, like twenty
seven times sitting there next to them. It was weird,
just making an observation based on people that were pissed
off on Twitter and some of the chaplain and but
people have started accepting him as the head coach. And
I think it's a cyclical, man. We see it's a
roller course. You talk about it's like, okay, come April,
you know, threecorders of the fan base, eighty percent of fam,

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but we're gonna be ready to go. Man, this is
what it is. We do it every single year. We
get pissed off and then we're back on the wagon.
So it just kind of is what it is at
this point. That's what it is being a Cowboys fan.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yep. Always Yeah, and Dylan, I appreciate it. Thanks for
the call.

Speaker 7 (08:30):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
And the thing about it is too is like, you know,
he's gonna. He's gonna probably continue to to gain some
some fans, some excitement, some traction there up until the
first time it doesn't go well in a game. You
know you're gonna he's gonna be undefeated from now all
the way. Even the preseason games probably won't matter as much.

(08:53):
The press conferences should be should be fine. You know,
I don't you know, I don't know if he's going
to be. It doesn't seem like a like a real jokester,
you know. But he's also gonna. He's not a robot either.
You know, he's gonna. He's he's he's a genuine person.
I think all that's nice and good until you know,
until the first time you lose a game and a

(09:15):
coaching decision is questioned, and then you know, and then
that then all bets are off at that point, and
that's that's the nature of the business. We we get that.
But but I think that he gained some some some fans.
I think that, you know, he was impressive. I said
it a couple of times. I mean, I don't know
if it's if you can win a press conference. He
did that. That's not the kind of wins though that

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that he's going to be judged by for sure. But
I thought, I thought he did a nice job. And
and and the fact the players were there, Dac and
some of the other players were there for his support.
He shows you know that that he he should have
the locker room. But it's one thing for guys to say, hey,
we're support you, We're so glad you're the coach. But

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at the same time, can he get on their ass
when it's time to do that? And that's that's the
That's one of the toughest things that a coach can do,
is say, hey, yeah, I got you, you're my guy,
but but you're not doing this right and you need
to you need to, you know, you need to be
a little bit more, a little less comfortable than you
are with me as your coach. And so I think

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that's a balance that any coach has to have. And
and we'll see, you know, assistant coaches are talking to
Derek Eagleton about this yesterday. Assistant coaches are like the uncles.
You know, it's all nice and good until you you know,
when you're the head coach. Now you're making the decisions. Uh,
and all the decisions, and some of them the kids
just aren't going to like. So we'll see how that
plays in. Let's go to the next caller, Carolina in Longview, Texas. Carolina.

(10:45):
What's up.

Speaker 8 (10:48):
There?

Speaker 1 (10:48):
You go?

Speaker 11 (10:48):
What's going? Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (10:50):
How you doing?

Speaker 12 (10:52):
Man?

Speaker 11 (10:52):
I'm living, man, I'm happy I finally got in.

Speaker 7 (10:54):
Man.

Speaker 11 (10:55):
I don't know, man, it's been obvious little but see,
like lyon is just ringing and ringing and ringing. Hard
to get in these days.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Well it's been ringing a lot, you know, when we
don't have a show every only do one show week.
I don't think they even answer it. So, yeah, but
happened beyond today, and I want to hear from you guys.
So what do you got?

Speaker 11 (11:16):
I got a couple of things. Man. I'm kind of
like Dylan. I support it. You know, once again, it's
our teams. I mean, what can we really do is
either with it or not with it? Yeah, you know,
Jerry said the pressor we're all in on them, We're
all in on shoddy. So my main question is do

(11:36):
you truly believe like that there's going to be a
major difference, not just okay, there's a little bit of
difference between the play calling and you know, the offense
or how it was last year, Like do you truly
believe that we're going to see a different brand of football?
And my other question is, you know, and the pressure
they were talking to what's his name, not Jerry's, is

(12:01):
his son or nephew the other guy.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
I'm not familiar with what you're saying.

Speaker 11 (12:08):
I'm sorry when they asked a question about free agency
and not Jerry but the other guy to answered Stephen Steven.
Here we go, okay, and he said, okay, yeah, we
we noticed, we made, you know, some mistakes and that
there's going to be changes and we're gonna put more
into it. Like I'm just like, is that really is

(12:30):
that really just you know, well from the press, or
that's not really meaning.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
That's not exactly what he said. He didn't just come
out and say we're gonna do things different. He said
they were they would, you know, they might do some
things differently in free agents something to look at. I
think that you know that he's always gonna say might, maybe,
perhaps possibly potentially all those those things. I think this,

(12:57):
I think they're going to be more active in free
ag See. I think they have to be because they
just have so many free agents, so they're gonna sign
a lot of guys. And I would think that they
sign more guys from other teams than their own. So
does that mean that they're going to be a lot
more active in free agency? Maybe? Does that mean they're
going to be aggressive? Probably not, But I wouldn't mind

(13:20):
seeing one or two moves, one or two splashes, And
I think I think, I think that could happen this year,
just a few things different than what you've seen before,
especially early on in the first couple of days. I
think they'll be a little bit more active than they've
been in the past.

Speaker 11 (13:35):
Yeah, because I just like, you know, like I said,
not too aggressive. I fact, there has to be an effort, yeah,
like not just getting the long snapper and a linebacker.
There needs to be a collective amount of moves that,
like I said, field spots to prepare us for this
draft business, Like we're going to be losing all these players.

(13:56):
We need to go ahead and sew up most of
these spots so we can get the VPA.

Speaker 5 (13:59):
You.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, that's true. That's a very very good point, Carolina,
a very good point, and what thanks for you? Anything else?

Speaker 7 (14:07):
Is that it.

Speaker 11 (14:09):
No man, nothing, So I'll be calling in and I
appreciate your answering for me.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Sure.

Speaker 11 (14:13):
I hope you have a wonderful day and love to
all my storyliness all right.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Man, appreciate it. Be safe on the roads out there
driving in Texas. Here, Longview, Texas are going on the
east East Texas there. What he said too, if if
anyone that maybe didn't hear that or didn't catch what
he's saying is is fill up these spots, these holes
that they have so you can take BP a best
player available, and and that's that's going to be a challenge.

(14:39):
I just don't know. With the free agency the way
it is at key spots, I have a hard time
thinking there's not going to be some glaring needs going
into the draft. Fortunately and unfortunately, at the same time,
there's so many needs that you still could probably take
best player of it aailable and it's going to be

(15:01):
a spot that you need. I mean, that's that's I
don't think that's actually a good thing. But in this case,
I don't see the quarterback being the best player available.
I think the quarterbacks will probably get drafted earlier than
that the ones that are going to go off the
board are going to go off the board. And so
after that edge rusher could be a corner, could be

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wide receiver, running back, you know, defensive tackle, there's a linebacker,
all those all those things are positions of need. Now,
this does seem like a tight end from Penn State
that is going to be in that range there, maybe
even higher than twelve. That would be a need that
that would be a nice to have. I don't think

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you necessarily need to get better than than Ferguson and
scoon Maker. That's solid. You know the tweaks that that
Carolina was talking about that Schottenneimer was talking abo about
how much you know, this question was, can can they
make a big difference? Uh in one year? Different brand
of football? If you're running the football, if you if

(16:08):
you make a few tweaks here and there so you
could run the ball better, then I think your tight
ends will come into play a lot more than they
have in the past. And so I think I still
think tight ends are a product of what you have
around you. Even you know now now there's a there's
a handful in the league that are that are difference makers.

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They're probably more just big wide receivers, and they know
how to get open, they know how to get mismatches
and things like that. But for the most part, I
would think your your tight ends are product of of
what you're doing on the outside. I think Buffalo is
a good example of that. They got a couple of
tight ends. They're not the featured guys, but they can
make plays for you. Philadelphia is probably like that too.

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Godd Or is you know, he's he's he can get
open and make make plays and so. And I don't
think they need to make it upgrade there. My point
is that I think that what they have, they're going
to have a lot of needs, and I think that
whoever's there at twelve for them is, you know, the
best player they've got on their board is probably somebody
that can come right in and help and fill a

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need that they have, even if they do some more
things in free agency. All right, let's go to Casey Joe.
He's in Kansas City.

Speaker 10 (17:20):
Good morning, Nick, How are you doing today?

Speaker 11 (17:22):
Good?

Speaker 1 (17:22):
How are you doing? Bud?

Speaker 10 (17:23):
Pretty good? Sarah? Pretty good? Hey, I was thinking about
the DC. Do you think they might go after Wade Phillips?

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Well, Matt Iberflus is the defensive coordinator. He oh, he
has been hired yesterday, And it's okay. He's been hired
yesterday as the defensive coordinator. There's a lot of news
going on here. Yesterday was a big, big news day,
and the day before obviously was when the Schottenheimer thing
came out. But they did hire a special teams coach
and Nick Sorenson, and then they also hired Matt Eberflus.

(17:51):
But no, I don't think Wade don't. I don't see
Wade getting back into coaching anymore, especially because you know,
Wade worked out for the Cowboys because he was following
another coach that had a three four defense. You know,
Wade's Wade's scheme isn't for everyone. And I don't know
if this team is built right now to just make

(18:12):
that switch to a three four. So no, it's it's
gonna be Eberflus. He's the defensive coordinator and I and
I think I think that that's a good, solid move.
I really do.

Speaker 10 (18:22):
Okay, I didn't know that. I apologize.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
That's okay, that's all right. Hey, it's hard to keep
up sometimes around here. What'd you think of the move.

Speaker 6 (18:30):
What do you think?

Speaker 10 (18:31):
It wasn't my first choice. But since we got him,
let's see what he does.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
You know.

Speaker 10 (18:37):
I would have went after John Gruden myself, but that
was my first choice. But you know, I mean, since
he's there, let's see how he does. I mean, that's
all I can say. You know, I don't know what
else to say.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah, and yeah, there they're really there, really isn't you know?
You could say first choice, what was it your tenth
I mean, seriously, was it your tenth choice? No? Not mine.

Speaker 10 (19:03):
I was a little worried because he was the offensive
coordinator and the offense didn't produce that well you know. Yeah,
but towards the back half we did. But at the beginning,
I mean, it didn't look so good. So I was
scratching my head at that. But you know, like I said,
he he wasn't the head coach and he just kind
of had to fallow orders. So yeah, you know, we

(19:24):
I got to give him a chance, you know, and
see what he does.

Speaker 6 (19:27):
You know.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
So yeah, you know that that aha moment is when
you said, you know, the back half of the season
they did better.

Speaker 6 (19:37):
Yeah, you're going.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
To have people in the building here and it's start.
It's going to surface out if it hasn't already. How
how the back half of the season is when Schottenheimer
actually got his hands on the offense a little bit more.
That's that's that's it was his idea from what this
is all, from what I've heard, his idea to say,
let's put Cavante Turpin in at running back. Let's let's

(20:00):
put him in a different spot. So let's put him,
you know, let's use him a little bit more. Let's
change a few things offensively, scheme wise. Up front, we
can run the ball better. Let's do this with Rico
Daddle a few things here and there. So to answer
your question, and then the one before that Carolina had
about how things will look different, I think I think
what Schottenheimer was able to do a little bit and

(20:23):
he'll he'll use analytics more than I think McCarthy did,
and in a positive way. And and this isn't just
game decisions analytics. This is like, hey, this is what
we do on third and ten, every time on third
and five. This is how teams are playing this. We
gotta we gotta be ahead of the curve. That's how
I think that they're gonna use analytics a little bit

(20:43):
more than they have. So again, not not our not
our first choice, and not not a guy we had
on the radar. He's here. He was on the Cowboys radar.
Kenny Kenny turned things around. That that's you know, that's
what we're all waiting to see.

Speaker 12 (20:58):
Ah.

Speaker 13 (20:58):
Here, you have a great day.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Thank you appreciate it. Yeah, Matt Eberflu's defensive coordinator, Nick Sorenson,
the special teams coordinator. And let me throw this out
there about Nick Sorenson real quick. He was with the
forty nine ers the last three years and he was
their defensive coordinator. Last year he was fired as the
defensive coordinator. That's probably that's not his role. That's that's

(21:24):
probably not his best role. He played in the league
ten years. He played a lot of special teams. He's
been a special team's assistant with the Seahawks and he
was the coordinator with the Jaguars. So special teams is
a little bit more his forte. Let's judge him on that. Necessarily,
not necessarily as a defensive coach. Same with Iberflus. Really

(21:45):
Eberflus as a head coach. Chicago fans will tell you, oh,
my god, get rid of this guy. Hail Mary, are
you kidding me? Well, okay, But as a defensive coordinator
when he was with Indianapolis, those defenses were really really
good and good with players that will fit his scheme.
I think he will be one that you'll see a

(22:06):
draft pick in the fifth round or a I would
say fourth round, but they don't have that pick, but
but they might, you know, but you'll see a middle
round pick of a guy that you're like, oh, didn't
didn't see that one coming, or the draft show guys
will be looking through their stuff like I don't know
about that about that guy. But you know, it'll be
a vision that that you know, like ibra Flus will
have for a for a player to say, hey, I

(22:28):
like him in this scheme because that's what he did
a lot of with the Colts. Those were a lot
of no name players. They had some good players, but
he had a lot of no name players that they
made uh into a really good defense. I believe MALIEK.
Cooker was there and he was the first round pick,
but I believe I believe MALIEK. Cooker was there with
him for at least one or two seasons when he
was the d C. All right, let's go to Terry's

(22:49):
in Mexico our time.

Speaker 8 (22:51):
Terry well Good sitting out there looking at specific just
recently retired down here, and you.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Know, you know there was a special teams coach. We
had one of my favorite coaches of all time, Joe D. Kamelis.
You know what he calls that beach TV. He said,
we sit out there, it's called beach TV. I don't
have a TV. I just sit there and it's called
beach TV. So I love it. We're all jealous.

Speaker 13 (23:17):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (23:18):
It took a while to get here, but I'm finally
here and then join life.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Good for you.

Speaker 8 (23:24):
One concern I'm hearing a lot is our veterans. I
watched Mike's YouTube show last night, and I'm not you know,
he's he's all hard about the cowboys. And one of
the concerns is, you know, some of our veterans hoping
they don't get discouraged and.

Speaker 14 (23:42):
Decide to leave.

Speaker 8 (23:43):
I've been hearing chatter about Parsons wanting to trade, and
I know change is hard to take with some of
our veterans, but I'm willing to, you know, give the
guy a chance. I liked eber plus pick up as
a defensive coordinator coming from Chicago. That's all I heard.
Is bad of a coach against But I think he's
a better coordinator than he has a head coach. So

(24:05):
just my opinion. And I love the show. It's getting
harder and harder to get on now. Yeah, that's doing well.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
For you, Terry, Terry, Who's whose show? Did you watch again?
I did not hear that part.

Speaker 8 (24:18):
Mike Werbin, Michael er I was, yeah, I was watching
the YouTube so last night and I ran across his rant.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Got it?

Speaker 8 (24:26):
Yeah, you know my key. Oh yeah, he's all hard
when it comes to the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
All fan, all the time. Uh and I and I
say this respectfully towards towards one of the top ten
players to ever play for the Dallas Cowboys and a
Hall of Famer and former players. They know football, they
know players, they know locker rooms they do not know.

(24:54):
And I'm pointing towards the Cowboys locker room. They do
not know that locker room. They don't. I'm sorry. Raikman
does not know that locker room. Emmitt Smith does it,
Michael Irvin doesn't, Nate Newton doesn't. Nate's on these shows.
These former players, they know football x's and o's, and
they know what what it takes to get to that point.
And I respect that more than anything. But when they

(25:17):
come in and they talk about culture that they don't
know about, and those players really don't know them, then
I take it with a grain of salt. I'm sorry,
unless unless you know, now Jesse Holly sits up here,
Jesse has some connections to certain players. If those guys
are telling him stuff, that's a different story. But when
you in general, former players, when they get asked about

(25:39):
culture in the locker room, they don't know what more
than you do, Terry. I mean that, that's that's just
simple fact. So I don't I don't get all worked
up about what a former player says. A former player
a lot of times is talking, so you don't forget
who they are, Like, oh, okay, you know, I'll never
forget Amani Tumor from the Giant so Money Tumor remember him,

(26:02):
he made it. No one had heard from him three
or four years. So he just comes out and makes
a statement says, I think Romo is better than Eli Manning,
a quarterback that he played with. Oh my god, everyone
went up at arms, and I looked at it like, well,
a money tumor is looking for a job, looking for
you know, or looking looking the kind of show. You know. Now,
Michael's not doing that. Michael's being Michael, and I love

(26:23):
Michael Levan, there's no doubt about I'm just saying I
don't get worked up about what former players say because
I don't think that they know the pulse of a team,
especially if they're not in that locker room.

Speaker 8 (26:34):
Yeah, I've been a fan to seventy two and I'm
going to jump ship from my boys.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
So just who's who's jumping ship?

Speaker 8 (26:45):
I said, I'm not going to jump Oh okay, my boy. Yeah,
I've been in there here too long, been a fan.
So now I'm always going to be there for him.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
For sure, for sure. And uh, you know, as I said,
it's been worse situations than this, you'd have other reasons,
you'd have you'd have better reasons to jump ship if
you wanted to do that before. Now, Uh, you know,
it is what it is. It's your life, and it's
it's your you know, it's it's just who we are.
We're Cowboy fans, and it's you know, it's what it is. Well,

(27:16):
I appreciate it. Have fun.

Speaker 8 (27:18):
I appreciate your time.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Have fun down there in Mexico.

Speaker 8 (27:20):
All right, Oh, definitely out All right.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Chris pointed out about Michael Ivan christ You're right, Dion
Sanders was his choice and his boy. And from what
I've heard, I've heard mixed things about Dion's this situation
that what maybe that they were just two marketing guys
kind of talking, getting together, throwing that out there in

(27:45):
the media, maybe helping Dion get a little bit more
in IL money at Colorado, and maybe helping Jerry kind
of show that this is a big job. I had
someone that that that said he talked to to Dion,
and Dean really wanted it, you know, I really wanted
this job. So I don't know, I don't know how
serious that it ever was. But that's not the case now. Anyways,

(28:09):
Davion and Illinois, Davion, what's up?

Speaker 3 (28:12):
What it do?

Speaker 8 (28:13):
Nick?

Speaker 12 (28:13):
What it do?

Speaker 1 (28:14):
How you doing?

Speaker 3 (28:17):
I'm doing good. The news Friday night had me because
it took me for a loop. But yeah, I mean
a couple of days from it now, so I'm rousing
into shape, you know, back into let's get it at
this point.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Davion, give me something you like, something you do not
like about this? Move?

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Uh? Something I like? I like what he was talking.
I do like this like, I do like cut split motion,
I like, I like, I like, I like what over here?

Speaker 1 (28:49):
You like Patrick Patrick's question? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Oh yeah, Patrick was on pint with that.

Speaker 7 (28:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
I was so I was so happy, we said. I
was like, oh, man, thank somebody asked this question. Thank god. Yeah,
watching the press conference and I was like, man, somebody
please ask me a question about it if he's gonna
do something different in office, because that's been my biggest thing,
as you know, getting his office cranking. So I'm like,
we gotta get this offense cranking if we're gonna do anything. Yeah,
in in this league.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yep, you know. And then what what do you what
do you dislike? What's something? I asked you both?

Speaker 3 (29:21):
So let me see what I just like about it.
I just hate I hate the process, like pretty much
all of us probably, I mean prec combination. I just
hate the way it got to it. I mean, sitting
back thinking about over the weekend, it seemed like Seaan
Hyman was the from runner from the whole get go.
It just they just took that they just took their
time getting to him, but he was kind of the

(29:42):
front runner the whole time, so it was like, Okay, well,
if that was the case, then I'd rather you kind
of talk to a couple more people. I would like
y'all talk at least a couple more people just for
the simple fact of just talking to a couple of
people to get more ideas of you know, more people
outside people thinking about what your team yvie.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
What if I told you they talked to sixteen people,
sixteen sixteen coaches, legitimate coaching candidate, sixteen of them. Like, like,
I didn't think it was that many, and a lot
of fans don't think it's that many. Jerry kind of
alluded to it, you know, in the press conference that
it was a lot more than people think. But but

(30:21):
so the taking their time process, I mean, they talked
to more guys than than than it was reported, shockingly
because this thing's been covered. So yeah, so sixteen was
the number that I've heard. Now, does Dion count in that? Probably?
So I don't think we're talking about sixteen official sit

(30:42):
down interviews or or zoom interviews, but sixteen people that
you're calling and talking to I mean, that's that's a
pretty that's a pretty decent amount of guys.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Investigation. Like least, I haven't sit down. But you know,
people talk ain't bad.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Right, So the reported process it may not be what
you like. And I'm not saying you should be excited
about all that. And I'm not trying to change anybody's opinion.
I hope everyone knows that I said this the other day.
I'm not a DJ, not spending anything, Okay, I'm just
saying that I think it was he. They talked to
more people than you think, but maybe all along it

(31:24):
was Schottenheimer. Maybe he was like, this is the guy.
Let's see if somebody can prove me, you know it
proved me wrong or be better than this.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
So hey, well one question before I get off. I
would love to get your book. I don't know how
i'll get that because you know I'm may work at night,
so I love I'd love to start read that book.
So it's the way I can do it. It'll be great.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Ill h I'll figure it out. I'll figure it out
with you. You're on Twitter, right, I'll get it. I'll
get it for you. I will, We'll figure it out.
Thanks Daveyon. I appreciate appreciate the call. Guys. I'm gonna
go to break real quick, and then when I come back,
probably the call everyone's waiting for. I'll be right back
after this.

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Speaker 1 (33:36):
Dallas Cowboys to Cowboys storyline. All right, welcome back to
Cowboys storyline. I'm Nick Gatman here. Wednesday, January twenty ninth,
got about another forty five minutes or so, so have
an extended show getting talking a lot about the Brian schottenheimermove.

(33:57):
Really then, really that's about the only thing talking some coordinators,
some other good stuff. But let's get to Rob in Vegas. Rob,
what's up?

Speaker 14 (34:06):
Hey?

Speaker 10 (34:06):
Nick?

Speaker 11 (34:06):
How you doing good?

Speaker 1 (34:07):
How are you?

Speaker 17 (34:09):
I'm good good? All right, So it was it was
a predictable hire. I think it's a terrible hire because
it's another happy to be here guy. You know, Jerry.
Jerry has a type, you know, Campo, Wade, Phillips, Mike

(34:30):
McCarty and now shout out, these are happy to be
here guys. And what I mean by that is they
were never getting head coaching jobs from anybody else, right,
So so now they're hired, and now they owe Jerry.
So now it's you know, I'm not I'm not going
to push back. This is you know, this guy gave
me my chance. And you can't change the culture from within,

(34:55):
not with a guy who, let's be honest, has been invisible.
I mean, nobody knew what he did. Jerry even knew
his first name. So to bring this guy in to
change the culture is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Let me just tell you he knew his middle name. Okay,
So let's let's don't get into all that he didn't
know his name. He knew his family. Itrew his mom's name,
he knew it. He Okay, So you and hide that,
you and hold hold that against him, hold that against him,
but don't say that Jerry didn't know his name. Jerry, Jerry,
Jerry knew him. Okay, go ahead, they'll keep going.

Speaker 17 (35:23):
But but the deal is is you have to change
the culture. They should have went outside the organization. And
the sad part is as a fan is you had
some really good head coaches available, You had maybe the greatest,
and Bill Belichick who was interested, You had Rabel interested.
How the last minute you called Pete Carroll to ask

(35:45):
him about this guy, and Pete Carroll is like, what
about me? But there's no way they could bring these
guys in because a they won't pay them.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Pete don't know what, Pete Carroll, you didn't want him.
You didn't want him, You did not want him. Nobody nobody, Wait, wait,
I did him.

Speaker 18 (36:03):
I did.

Speaker 17 (36:04):
He wasn't my first choice. It has a way better choice, let.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Me tell you, And I'm not going to go any
further than this, but I'm just going to tell you,
especially with based off the news that's that's gonna come
out today in the next couple of days, you didn't
want Pete Carroll on it as the head coach because
his demands were things that you, the Cowboy fans, would
have hated. So Pete Carroll took myself out say maybe so,
maybe so.

Speaker 17 (36:25):
But what I'm saying is Jerry A doesn't pay, he
refuses to pay for a top head coach.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
And I can't. I can't explain that. I can't.

Speaker 14 (36:34):
I just well you can.

Speaker 17 (36:36):
You you know the reason. The reason is very simple. No,
if I pay you that, then I'm giving you more
power Jerry. You know, Jerry lost his fastball, but he
ain't totally out of it. He there's a big difference
paying a guy five million or six million to ten
to twelve. Jerry would have to concede some change. And

(36:58):
as a fan, that's what we were looking for. And
you just show us year after year with these coaching
hires that you just don't want to give it up.
You go, this is your fantasy football team. And all
you had to watch was that press conference to see
how disfunctional this team is. You had Jerry up there rambling,

(37:23):
and I get it, he's an old man. And then
you got Steven, who came off as such a spoiled
jerk to turn around and basically look at the fans
with that stupid finger thing. The twenty nine years that
you've lived through didn't really exist. And you know what,

(37:44):
He's right, it didn't exist in his life because when
he went to bed twenty nine years ago, he was
a millionaire, and when he woke up twenty nine years later,
he's a multi billionaire. So that it's it's just as
I don't see this team as big as a fan,
I am winning a super Bowl until Jerry's no longer

(38:05):
with us and Steven sells the team.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
That is the only way I see this succeeding.

Speaker 17 (38:11):
Because he doesn't even recognize that the business model is broken.
They either one of them. We would hope that, okay,
maybe one day, no neither one recognizes that this business
model is broken.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
All right, Well, I I don't know if I can.
You know, I'm not going to agree with all that.
I definitely don't think the model is broken. But but
the drought of the super Bowl. The super Bowl drought
is real. I mean everyone knows that that's a super
Bowl drought. Uh does that mean? I think a lot
of times people confuse that with being a bad franchise,

(38:47):
a bad football team. I don't think this is a
bad football team. I do think that they they've got
some pieces in place though, that they can get this
thing kind of turned around. I think it's a good
combination of change of culture and and continuity at the
same time. So I think that's that's kind of why
they wanted to keep the guy in house and the
money issues.

Speaker 7 (39:07):
Continuity of what of a of a good football.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Team that they've had? Continuity of success?

Speaker 6 (39:14):
What do you mean?

Speaker 17 (39:15):
Good doesn't good? Good doesn't get you to the super Bowl?
They you're hind right, Good doesn't get So what are
we keeping continuity of good? Exactly? Jerry wants to be good.
It does great, all right. He doesn't want to go
to the next level. He's proven it with this higher
he doesn't. He wants to be good as long as

(39:37):
I'm in the middle seven and ten, nine and eight, whatever.
And if I somehow luck into a twelve and five season,
and because you notice, you notice not one time did
Jerry mention super Bowl? He said playoffs. He kept saying,
get to the playoffs. It used to be get to
the super Bowl. And that's the difference.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
I I think we're all glad other than you, that
he doesn't do that. Nobody wants that. That's it.

Speaker 7 (40:04):
Why you have to that.

Speaker 17 (40:06):
Well, if you're not building towards that, you're wasting everybody's time.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
You just quoted your new head coach, Rob Thanks for
the call, appreciated. That's exactly what the head coach said exactly.
So you guys are more aligned than you think you are,
because that's exactly what he just said was if you're
not building for a championship, then what are you doing? So,
you know what, Jerry didn't have to say it. Your
head coach, Brian Schottenheimer said it. Let's also let's also

(40:31):
get to another matter as well. Will McLay has signed
a four year extension with the Cowboys. He will remain
in the vice president of player Personnel. And you know
he does a lot of the duties that that that
you know, the director of scouting, even some that GM
would do. He's got Jerry's ear, Jerry's you know, trust

(40:57):
and I think that that's a great, great move. And
I'll say this, you know, Will McClay, this is not
an accident that Will McClay signed this deal two days
after the head coach was signed. Okay, I'm sorry. I
don't know if Will McClay is here with a different
coach with Mike McCarthy. I don't know. There were other

(41:19):
coaches that wanted to come in, maybe make some changes.
Cowboys wanted Will McClay here. He obviously wants to be here,
and he's going to be here for the next four years.
That's a big deal because I talked to him last
year and he said that I got one year left
on my deal. I've made a commitment to my son
when he turns eighteen and finishes high school. After that,

(41:39):
I'll be here until after that. Who knows. So I
think more jobs were attracted for him this year. He
was probably open to leaving more than he's ever been
and it didn't That didn't happen. The Cowboys made it
happen for him to stay. And I think they're giving
him a little bit more say in some of the
big decisions that were making, including this head coach, So

(42:01):
that that's a big move right there, Will McClay is staying.
We'll have more on that here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
Let's keep it going. Ronnie in New Jersey's next, Ronnie, what's.

Speaker 7 (42:08):
Up, hey, Mick? You know what I was gonna. I
was actually going to ask you about Will McLay. So
that's that's actually really rude. I should you have given us.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Ronnie, I should have I should have let you ask me.
You could have just broken the news for us.

Speaker 7 (42:24):
Sorry, that was actually the best hues that you have
given us as fans, you know, because we know that
Will McClay has a lot to do with with with
the roster, a lot to do with being in Jerry's ear.
Whether he listens to him or not is one thing,
but at least we know he has a good eye
for for for talent. You know. Yeah, maybe maybe we

(42:49):
The one thing I think fans, the one thing that
we would love for Will McClay to have more if
we don't know if he does more advice or more
of power, is into the free agency, Like if we
could actually pick up a few free agents, at least
one or two, bring good players from other teams, uh uh,

(43:11):
and have them Yeah, you can build through the through
the draft, but build through the draft and also add
a few key pieces here and there. You're not gonna
get every single player. You're not gonna hit on on
on the draft. Look, we haven't hit on the first
rounders the past two three years, so we we've hit
on some late round uh late round players draft picks.

(43:33):
But but you're not gonna hit even on first round.
You're not gonna hit every first round. So that's a
lot to put on Will McClay also, you know, so
on that with the Saudi Saddenheimer, I'll be honest with you, Nick,
As long as it's not Kellen Moore, I'm good. I'm
not not not you know this is back from Kellen Moore.

(43:54):
You know whatever this and that here he might be
going to the Thames. That's respectful, but you I'm sorry.
I did not see kelln more.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Than walking out.

Speaker 7 (44:09):
Uh you know what one thing that I saw in
that press conference, and you mentioned this, I enjoy seeing
what I saw from him in the press conference. I
don't think Kelen Moore they would have had that same
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
I know exactly what you're talking about. Can you stand
up in front of seventy grown men and lead them
to a game. And that's Kenny.

Speaker 7 (44:29):
He did that. He not in front of the whole team,
but he did that in front of players, in front
of the media, and not for nothing. It takes a
lot of of something for you to be that for
your boss, and your boss keeps on saying that this
is the What was it that he kept on saying,
Garry Jones, Jerry Jones kept on calling it the biggest

(44:50):
risk even take it. I'm like, come on, man, I
felt bad for Sharon Himer during that, but at the
same time, you're taking the risk no matter who you
that's a head coach, any coach that comes there is
taking a risk. Everybody's taking a risk at work every
single day. So, for instance, it just didn't just didn't
like when when Jerry kept on pointing that out.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
You know what, I'm saying, like, yeah, that was weird,
and I don't Yeah, I just don't think anyone really
views it that way, that that it is a risk,
you know, I don't. I don't.

Speaker 7 (45:24):
I don't see that whatever coach it was a risk
with with I forgot He's not there no more. Uh.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
McCarthy McCarthy.

Speaker 7 (45:35):
McCarthy, I'm sorry, he's already gone, so that's it.

Speaker 18 (45:38):
He rased out of my.

Speaker 7 (45:41):
Party's gone. I'm sorry, but I didn't like McCarthy too much.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
I think the more were you know, I think if
you have a first year head coach, it's somewhat of
a risk. But you know, I'm it's Chicago taking a
risk with.

Speaker 7 (45:56):
Nick. Wasn't it a risk when when when taking mccar Yeah,
he won a super Bowl? Well, other head coach has
gone to onenother team and won a Super Bowl. I mean,
namely five head coaches. He's acting like, oh, experience, experience, Yeah,
but some of these head coaches, I'm sorry Rob was saying,
but some of these head coaches that won Super Bowls

(46:18):
that are as talented as they've enmed. Some coaches have
never even gone back to the Super Bowl and they
won a super Bowl. So that's the risk in himself too.
So I'm sorry, I don't I didn't like that risk.
Then I felt bad for the guy. He just kept
kept on pointing that out, you know what I'm saying.
But aside from that, I think I think this is
actually a good pick. I think he's actually he convinced

(46:39):
me during that press conference. So thanks Nick, thanks for
taking my call. I appreciate you guys, and please we
need at least two more two shows a week. I
want to keep on saying, and I still it happens.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. We talked to Derek about it.
I told him about the petition. He was like, that
doesn't move me at all. I have reasons for what it,
what he's doing. Derek likes to be fair and equal
to everybody.

Speaker 7 (47:04):
So yeah, defense.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Call in the draft show. They they I don't know
they they actually get to two shows a week. Maybe
you should call in there and and let the phones
ring off the hook.

Speaker 7 (47:22):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, I mean I think any first year coach would
be considered a risk in some way. The simple fact
of this, and I said it to when Rob called I,
they they don't. They don't pay top dollar for coaches.
There's no salary cap. There's no reason why. So it's

(47:50):
it's it's contradicting sometimes of the things. We've also heard
Jerry say about how much money I would write a
check that you don't know the amount of check I
would write to guarantee if super Bowl and all that. Now,
hiring a high profile coach doesn't guarantee a super Bowl.
He hired the highest of profiles in a coach and

(48:11):
he didn't even get him a playoff win in Bill Parcells,
did he change the culture? Did he change the team?
Yeah he did, he did. He got him to a
point where they were they were a better football team,
but they didn't. It didn't lead to postseason success. But
so nothing to guarantee. But you know, I just I

(48:31):
the coaching part is always going to be there as
kind of a head scratcher. But you know, I think
I don't I wouldn't worry about Schottenheimer's feelings about a
risk and all that. I don't think Jerry was trying
to be disrespectful to Schottenheimer. I think what he was
trying to say he was he was there was a

(48:53):
lot of things. He was trying to respond to media
criticism and and people that think, oh, he likes to
do things and that's really easy and comfortable, and he
was trying to point out that there's risk involved when
you're hiring a first year coach. All right, Ali in
Florida's next, Good.

Speaker 12 (49:13):
Morning there, How are you pretty good buddy.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
If we miss you all right, well I appreciate it,
but I'm here. Let's go.

Speaker 12 (49:21):
Okay, So a couple of questions. I want to shout
out to Patrick Nick Harrison you for having an awesome
question in press conference, and you did the interview. You
look great, and you asked a lot of good questions
as well. I think message Joes allow the podcast to

(49:45):
come and ask the questions versus all these journalists that
do softball questions. So, having said that, I want to
ask you a question. Do you remember I called? I said,
maybe you should put the little switch there for every
new collar that called, and you push the sound like

(50:08):
here we go, versus waiting on Chris because Chris has
his handful back there. So next thing, I know, a
couple of weeks later, everything was solved. You solved the
problem because you care Chris, cared for your own storyliners. Right.
But having said that, I'm gonna go take the balls

(50:32):
with the horn. We got twelve and five season, three
years in a row that everybody want to give a
credit to. Okay, no problem, it's hard to get the job.
But Jerry Jones played football, He won the championship, he
bought the Cowboys for so long Stephen Jones been involved.

(50:53):
So Dak Prescott and Mike McCarthy, you lose the twelve
and five seasons, what do you do? You go there says, look,
let's improve them for next year. The second twelve and
five season comes in.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
What they do They don't have no problem.

Speaker 12 (51:10):
And the third one, I mean, any of these guys
could have go. Dak Prescott go to Jerry's office said, look,
let me take let me take a two million dollars less,
give me some offensive line free agent. Or Martin McCarthy
like you you care about your program. He could easily
go to Jerry john because look, Jerry, twelve and five,

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I know what we need. You play championship.

Speaker 19 (51:34):
You know what we need.

Speaker 12 (51:35):
Nobody ever went there to shout and do something to
maybe put the best team when you show up twelve
and five three years in a row. That's what Rob
is talking about. If you've ever seen the Iceberg, iceberg
is ten percent, you see visually ninety percent is on

(51:57):
the water. Rob talking about all the anger that he
has is about the current. But he's been watching the
football since seventy seven. For example, all these years we
go through these we set the trend. As a Dallas Cowboys,
you have a pride as a Cowboys, a staff writer

(52:19):
and a good one at the least, you have a
little perk in your step when you walk into the stadium.
You work for the Cowboys. Who is the Howie Rosen?
You take these guys lunch. So for me, this is
what upset me. We set the trend, and everybody beat

(52:39):
us with everything that beset the standard. Love your brother
saying look to Jacob and Chris's kid, my pizza club,
Love you buddy.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
All right, appreciate that Ali a lot of good stuff.
I can't say I know everything that you're referring to there,
but I appreciate the call and the support for sure.
And you know again, I'm a little again. I was
a little confused with some of the stuff that you

(53:08):
were saying. So appreciate the call. Let's move on to
Zach in Atlanta.

Speaker 20 (53:12):
Hey, what's up?

Speaker 5 (53:13):
Nick?

Speaker 11 (53:13):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (53:14):
How are you?

Speaker 20 (53:15):
I'm good man, you know, Friday night the news breaks
of Brian Schottenheimer Monday press conference. You got your show today.
I was hoping you'd get your Cabo trip, you know,
in the off season, but I don't know if it's
going to happen, man, at least not yet.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Yeah. No, I like to go like right in the
middle of the week when big things are happening, you.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
You know that's what I hear. You're supposed to go
to Cabo, like right before like a big game or
big news announcement.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Yeah, yeah, now Cabo.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I don't even know anything about that. I can get
in a cab. I can't afford the the other O. Yeah, Cabo.

Speaker 20 (53:56):
Well, hey man, obviously coaching news, that's great. Will McClay news,
that's great. I'm curious about, you know, Matty Refluse coming
back in the fold. He's gonna be our DC. There's
a lot of talk of the continuity for Dak's sake
in the offense and all that. I have my thoughts there,
but I'm thinking about Micah. This is his third defensive

(54:21):
coordinator in three years. I don't really know what I
Refluse is gonna bring to the table and how long
he'll stick around. But I would really love like a
Steve Spagnolo kind of guy who's like he's done the
head coaching thing. He's coming back and probably not going
to go do the head coaching thing again and just

(54:42):
laying as a defensive coordinator and coaching a great defense
in Kansas City. Now, obviously Matti Refluse, he was a
head coach for a second. Who knows if that's in
his future again, But he's I think, considerably younger than Bags.
But yeah, I'm just curious about your thought on the
uberfluce higher and the continuity. For Mike's sake, you know,

(55:03):
I like using him in different ways, but also you know,
if he's doing a new defense every year or two,
you know, is that gonna hinder his ability or or
really expand his potential?

Speaker 1 (55:14):
So great, great points, Zach, I'll say this, Spagnolu, it
might be that might be what Eberflus is, you know,
I mean, like when you view him as a defensive
coordinator with a team that's won a lot of Super Bowls?
And is it you know, is it Andy Reid, It's

(55:37):
Holmes Kelsey, Chris Jones? And then now you know, we're
really starting to see Spagnolau as far as get you know,
he he gets a lot of praise as well. Compare
him as a or evaluate him as a head coach.
I don't think it was it was that great. Obviously
he didn't get another another turn at it. So you know,

(56:00):
there's some great there's great guys that Dick Lebow might
be another one, great assistance, great coordinators, not so great
as a head coach in Campo. You could throw Dave
Campbell in there as well. Maybe Matt Eberflus is that guy.
You know that that's what we're about to find out.
He's a lot younger, but he might be that guy

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as far as you know, really good coordinators, really good schemes,
and you know, I don't think I don't think Eberflus
is a bad coach. I mean, that was a really
unusual set of circumstances there. They're they're two or three
two or three games that that I mean really go
one way or another. They go his way. You know,

(56:43):
he's still the head coach of the Bears probably, so
that's that's kind of the way it is. And a
few other callers had called in and talking about changes
from Schottenheim or tweaks and stuff. You know, you know,
can they really change a lot? Think about changing two
or three things on your offensive line and your running
game or whatever that that that might just affect us

(57:05):
one drive, this field goal drive turned into a touchdown,
and they did it three times and that got them
fourteen seventeen more points. That that that won that game.
That might win two or three others, and you know,
give yourself three or four, you know, three wins or
so give yourself three wins different. Now what is that

(57:29):
ten and seven? But three wins that matter. Now you're
playing for the last game of the season. Maybe you
know you maybe the last games you're playing it totally different.
Maybe you win that game. I just did a few
tweaks here and there to the offense that that affected
this drive and then this drive and this drive, and
that won me a game, and I won two or

(57:49):
three games. Now I'm in the playoffs. I just changed
my whole season based off a few tweaks. I know
it's it's it's not that simple all the time. But
the point is that I don't think. I think when
you're sitting right there at that seven and ten, eight, nine,
nine and eight, you're there. Now that being said, you
can have two or three things to go the other way,

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and you might be a four and thirteen football team
if you can go three wins this way. You can
go three that way. You got to remember that. So
that's the way it is. Make sure these tweaks are
the good ones and the right ones. But I don't
think in this league it's hard to make that big
jump from one to another. All right, let's go to
another break here on Cowboys storyline. We'll be right back

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after this Cowboys fans.

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Speaker 12 (59:05):
There is no eye in Dallas.

Speaker 5 (59:07):
There is no eye in heart, either no eye in
blue star or a lone star for that matter, And
there's no eye in how about them Cowboys smear enough
knows there's no eye in football. Football is a wee
thing and experience that is best enjoyed together with good
drinks and good folks home or away. We rally together,
we cry together, and we always rally cry together because

(59:29):
there's definitely no eye in Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Fans smear enough we do game days.

Speaker 5 (59:33):
Please drink responsibly.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
It's Cowboys storyline right back here on Cowboys storyline. I'm
Nick Eatman. I want to hear from you guys. Aight
a A eight five five two two nine seven. Probably
got another fifteen to twenty minutes to go, so got
a chance to get a few more callers. I know
this will be the first time a lot of you

(59:59):
have been able to really throw your comments out there
about Brian Schottenheimer. Mostly positive, uh not, not not all
gung ho, but it's more like, hey, it is what
it is. I'm on board. This is the coach of
the team. And that's kind of That's the way I've
always felt when when my team hires a new coach.
Maybe I wasn't the one I was looking at it first,

(01:00:21):
and you know, but but you know, he's the coach.
I mean, this is a team. Let's go. I mean,
that's what am I gonna do? How am I gonna change?
That's kind of the way I've always kind of felt.
But but I think, and I think because the bar
is very low and you don't know much about this guy,
that I think that he was able to impress some
with with the way he carried himself in the press conference. Again, like,

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none of this matters if you don't go win games.
I mean everyone knows that. Okay, So you can Dan
Campbell saying we're gonna go bite kneecaps and all that.
That wouldn't have mattered. It would have been it would
have been laughable if they didn't go and have some
success that they've had. So that was one of those
those press conferences that that that people remember and and
and they yeah, I'm sure their fans got excited, and

(01:01:07):
it's turned out that that they did. He did, he
turned things around. This wasn't that kind of press conference,
but it was, you know, he had some moments and
some lines in there about you know, of what they're
trying to do and and and how how they can
get there. So now it's now it's up to him,
you know, go go figure it out. All right, let's
go to Rick. He's at Webster, Massachusetts.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
What's up, NX. How you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Yeah? Good?

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
How are you all right, Yeah, Friday night's news is like,
oh okay, that's good. Well, let's see where we go
from here. Let's give him a guy a shot. You know,
I like what he said Monday's press conference trying to
motion and all that stuff. They're shorten the line to

(01:01:55):
the field down to man, getting people close in and
stuff like that. But you know, let's see what he
can do, how he does with the draft, you know,
OTA's training camp, free agency, and hopefully you know, they'll
be able to do something in the second or you know,

(01:02:16):
early part of the free agency pickup withoks a couple
of key players to fill in some needs if we
lose players. So during the regular season, see if he
could do something that m Chart wasn't be able to do,
is instead of the fifteen players that scripted, have something else.
Oh okay, this is what they're doing. Now, let me

(01:02:36):
switch it up and try this instead. You make changes
on the fly or half time adjustments and stuff like that.

Speaker 7 (01:02:44):
Go with that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
If we have a successful season, grave we don't won't
try again next year.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Yeah, yep, I mean that's that's all you can do.
I mean, but I I agree, I mean, I do
think that he's he's got that in him to you know,
he's gonna take everything that he's learned from different coaches,
his father included, and all that and kind of you know,
and Mike McCarthy included, learn some of those things. And
that's what you do as a head coach. That's what

(01:03:11):
you do in any in any profession. You know, if
I'm the boss one day, I'm gonna do this. And
so here we are. You know, this is his chance
to kind of take all of the things that he's
done and imply it.

Speaker 7 (01:03:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
I like the Ebra plus higher and I don't know
about the Special Teams guy that don't know much about him.
We'll see what he can do. But I definitely love
the news about and coming back for another fool of years.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Yeah, okay, all right, thank you, sounds good. Thank you.
All right, let's go to Erwin and Colorado. Sorry, we
got news breaking here er in Colorado.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
What's up, hey, Nick?

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
How are you doing good?

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
So you've got some breaking news, But I just wanted
to touch bases with you a little bit. You broke
about Will McClay And my question to you is if
Jerry Jones is so you know, he's basically responsible for
the draft picks and.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
Will McClay is like his right hand man in that regards,
and we all know that he's pretty good, really good
at what he does. But seems to me like Will
McClay seems to get a pass every now and then
on some of the players that have been picked. And
we all know some of those players' names, And why
does it seem like McClay seems to get a pass

(01:04:34):
on these types of players.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
That Will Why Will get to pass on players?

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
Yes, because there's been some questionable draft picks and I'm
sure he's been part of those conversations and now those
players have picked. I mean, it just seems like and
I'm I'm not cutting on him or any there. I
think he's a really good person in the organization. I
think he's done a really good job with what he's
been doing. But no one ever seems to criticize McClay

(01:05:02):
as being the so called general manager, because everybody kind
of looks at him as that anyways. But it just
seems like he just from fans abroad, Nothing ever comes
up about McClay making bad picks. And I just wanted
to get your take on that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Well, my take on that is that's why he probably
had the pen in hand when they said you want
to sign this deal. I mean, what what better job
is there than that? I mean, like, he's got GM duties,
he doesn't have the GM title, and he doesn't have
the he doesn't have the blowback when when there are
some bad picks, you know, so it sounds like a

(01:05:38):
pretty awesome job. I mean, and you're right, you're right.
No one ever says Taco good, good pick. Will I mean, no,
no one does that. You're you're right. I think that. Yeah,
I mean this team should get some criticism for I mean,
you don't not all the picks are great. I think

(01:05:59):
I think though, over the time that the track record
has been, hey, this has been a really you know,
they they've done a great job drafting guys. But the
last what three years, I think the last three years
you could say we haven't seen as much Yester Arron
Bland was a great mid round pick, and so was Ferguson.

(01:06:20):
But the last year both of them stepped back, did
not make a Pro Bowl injuries or whatever happened. So
and then the and combine that with the first round
picks have not been that good at all, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
But the other thing, I think he kind of has
a hand in, and not only the draft picks, but
the free agency. Don't you think that Will McLay should
have a little bit more say on listen, we need
to really go after like, let's just say Henry because
Henry is really going to help running me And you
talked about this last year when they were in the
free agency about a running back they.

Speaker 6 (01:06:54):
Didn't do it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
Doesn't Will McClay have some big, big time saying stuff
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Yeah, I think he does. And I think but that
that goes in line with I don't think he's necessarily
changing their opinions on on what they're what their their
plan is as far as strategy and and philosophy on
building through the draft and not so much through free agency.
I think this last year might might have changed some

(01:07:21):
things for league wide, you know, because the theory is
is that these running backs, you pay him a third contract,
then they're not going to be that great. And Derrick
Henry and and Saquon Barkley, they they proved a lot
of people wrong a lot, and and and not just them,
there were some other good, pretty good free agent running backs,
so that that might have changed the way things are done.

(01:07:44):
And you know it's a copycat league. Let's see if
the if the Cowboys and other teams, uh, you know,
change their mind when it comes to getting running backs
a little bit later in their career.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Yeah, hey, thanks a lot, Nick particular my call.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Thanks verwon appreciate that. Uh, let's go to Sebastian. He's
in Savannah, Georgia. What's up Sebastian?

Speaker 18 (01:08:05):
Myself by me though.

Speaker 21 (01:08:06):
I'm doing sir, How are you say I'm doing good?
You know what, Let me just be one of the
first people to actually come out and say congratulations to
Brian Schottenheimer on getting a position of the promotion.

Speaker 6 (01:08:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:08:17):
Uh, mister Eman. At some point in time, we all
needed an opportunity. You got your opportunity with the Cowboys
a long time ago. Somebody saw something in you to
look at how it turned out for you. So I'm
hoping that it turns out well. I'm never going against
the head coach to be like, oh, I hope we
take the season or something like that.

Speaker 17 (01:08:33):
I hope this goes well.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
I don't believe that.

Speaker 21 (01:08:36):
In Jerry's advancing age, he's just going to pick a
guy who he could just fully around, but he doesn't
believe can do the job. So that being said, I
hope they give him every single tool that he needs
working closely with Will McClay. And I believe in Will McClay,
and I'm gonna go ahead and choose a believer in
Brian Schottnheimer as well.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
All right, well I appreciate that, And again we don't
have a choice, you know, like like this is it.
I bet, I've bet it does help when when people
kind of when buy in a little bit. But you know,
I mean I say it helps. I mean it's it's helped,
it's easier for this show. But but you know, again,
these these calls are great, like like when the guy

(01:09:15):
like you sur Bashan calls in and says, hey, I'm
on a congratulations, let's go let's do this, Like that's
that's great. We seven calls ago when Rob from Vegas
called in and said terrible higher Okay, you know, like
we'll find out. We'll find out and and you know,
two years, three years, we'll find out just how how
good these hires are. Just like the Bears are going

(01:09:36):
to find out if their coach is good, just like
the Jets will find out if Aaron Glenn is a
good coach, you know, we'll we'll find out. We'll find out.
But the Raiders, if Pete Carroll is still a good coach,
just because he's done it before, that doesn't mean it's
it's all gonna work out.

Speaker 11 (01:09:52):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
There's a lot of things that have to go right
for the coaching situation to work. And we'll see if
Schottenheimer can get can get that to turn here with
the Cowboys and take those things that he's learned for
so many years, not just as a coach, but also
a little kid at the table, you know, listening to
his dad. I mean, we'll see, we'll see if he's

(01:10:14):
got that in him. All right, Robbie and Coco Beach,
Florida is next.

Speaker 12 (01:10:19):
What's up?

Speaker 11 (01:10:19):
Nick Boy?

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Took forever to get in.

Speaker 18 (01:10:21):
I've been calling just before the show started. Oh well,
you're popular, man, I love you, man.

Speaker 8 (01:10:25):
We all do well.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
They they you know these this is the show. This
is the first show since the since the news.

Speaker 6 (01:10:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Yeah, everybody's got got opinion. I mean I look at
it like, you know, there's there's fifteen twenty twenty five
people that call a lot and uh, you know you
want to get in for this show, and and so
I get it. I wish we could even go a
little bit longer. But iron half it is good. And
of course we've got Cowboys Cowboys Break coming up after this,

(01:10:53):
so that all week long, a lot of the you know,
you guys want to hear what you have to say.
There's there's people that you know, have it, haven't got
a chance to really talk about the hire as well.
We'll hear that on Cowboys Break coming up after this.
But Robbie, what do you got?

Speaker 18 (01:11:07):
So the number of years ago there was this guy,
Jimmy Johnson's a great college coach. I had such apprehension
about him coming over and taking over for the Cowboys
after Tom Landry, because you know, Landry was stand there
and God to all of us, he was awesome. He
was good, good Christian, good person, great leader, awesome when
this tough start came in, you made us the best

(01:11:30):
team in the NFL for Kloy Well mind you, salary cap.

Speaker 7 (01:11:32):
I know.

Speaker 18 (01:11:36):
My apprehension this time is that Schottenheimer great dad, beautiful lineage,
good coaching experience, but he's never really done anything with
this twenty five years experience makes it a little apprehensive. Yeah,
but I'm still faithful Cowboys fan man, and I hope
the best for him. And I'll say congratulations to him too,
like Sabath did. Yeah, and I hope, I hope he

(01:11:57):
does well. I hope he does what Jimmy did, puts
our what's our team back in the playoffs and the
super Bowls and you know, the best team in the
NFL again. Yeah, I don't know if it will happen,
but I sure hope. So the Matt Eberflus higher because
he was a linebackers coach under Rob Ryan.

Speaker 19 (01:12:15):
Is that right?

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
And it was Marinelli. Yeah, he's for a little bit.

Speaker 18 (01:12:19):
Yeah, And I remember both of them. Marinelli and Rob
Ryan talked such great praises about him as a coach.
And I think I'm pretty pleased about him being.

Speaker 7 (01:12:28):
A d C.

Speaker 18 (01:12:29):
I think that's gonna work really well.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
And other than that, I know you got calls.

Speaker 18 (01:12:34):
So if you got anything to add on ibra Flus
of his time here before that, you know, of great,
If not, then at the next fell.

Speaker 19 (01:12:41):
Thanks brother.

Speaker 18 (01:12:41):
I appreciate you time, man.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
I appreciate appreciate you. You know, he ebra flu got
he got a pretty good gift there when he got
the coach Sean Lee. Because Sean Lee is like a
coach on the field, but he's not trying to be
a coach. He's trying to be a player. So a
lot of times when you have a a coach on
the field, you know, they they don't always do what

(01:13:06):
they're supposed to do as far as to help all
the other guys. Yeah, they can coach, they know the
game inside and out, but but are do they take
coaching as well too? And Shaun Lee was really good
at that. I think he helped Iberflus early on, you know,
just just by having a guy that you know, he
didn't have to be the hard ass all the time
because he got Sean Lee right here. So but when

(01:13:27):
he went to Indianapolis, he did a nice job. I
think he had Darius Leonard there, Shack Leonard and and
and that that kind of, you know, kind of helped
take his game to another level with the Colts. But uh,
and I might not have all my years just right
on what Eberflus has done, but I'm pretty sure that
that was the case there when he was with the Colts.
So I think he's going to be a good hire.

(01:13:48):
And and you know, Robbie said something about Jimmy as
a coach, and and and and he also said, you know,
not sure what a Schottenheimer done in the twenty five years.
And that's that's what the biggest gripe is. And I
think he understands that. Everyone understands that, you know, did
you deserve this opportunity? Did you you know, what have

(01:14:10):
you done to show that you can do that? And
we just talked about Steve Spagnolo and and he you know, great,
great credentials as a coordinator. You know, he's won all
the Super Bowls. You know, it's with the Giants coordinator
and obviously the Chiefs when he was a head coach
it didn't work out. So so sometimes, you know, and

(01:14:33):
that's what happens. I mean, these guys with the Lions,
these these two coordinators, because of the Lion's success, they
get jobs. Does that mean they're going to be good? No,
doesn't mean that. And so we've seen it both ways,
you know, now Schottenheimer. But but and I wrote this
in my column on Monday, Schottenheimer got hired because of

(01:14:57):
the things we just can't see. You just can't You
can't see the relationships that he has with people, the
way the way he talks to people, the way that
that he understands uh, you know, the relationships that he
understands how to build culture. Those are just things you
just can't see. And we're not going to see it
in time. What we see is production, lack of production

(01:15:18):
x's and o's, things like that, rankings and their offensive
rankings stuff, those kind of things, and and that right
there is not going to impress a lot of the people.
And I understand that, and I bet you he understands
that where he's going to have to take it to
another level. It's those things, those intangible things you just
can't see. All right, let's go, uh, well, one more

(01:15:39):
Tumre calls. Let's go Sheriff Lonnie. He's in Kansas. Oh, Nick,
how are you doing?

Speaker 19 (01:15:46):
All? Doing? Okay? All right?

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
What's up?

Speaker 7 (01:15:51):
All? Not much?

Speaker 5 (01:15:52):
I just.

Speaker 19 (01:15:54):
I was surprised at the pick, and I had a
lot of things at the beginning I was negative on
and I decided, you know what, I'm gonna stay positive
because Aaron Glenn, Yeah he might have been, but you
don't know the same way with Johnson. They're new guys.

(01:16:16):
You don't know if how they can coach head coach. Wife.
There's a lot of good coordinators that aren't wouldn't make
good head coaches, but they're great coordinators. And so I
decided I'm not gonna be negative. I lived through the
one and the one win season, and I stuck with

(01:16:36):
the Cowboys. All these haters that are gonna couit and
all that, well, I guess, go ahead, but I'm sticking
by them, and give Shaddy a chance and see what happens.
And you got to put good coaches and players around you.
I don't care who you are. I don't care if
you're Belichick or whoever. You got to put people around

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you're that's gonna make a good football team. And that's all.
That's all I got to say. And uh, looking forward
to another things.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
All right, appreciate it, Thank you, Lonnie. Uh, We're gonna
keep it moving here Brian in Florida. We are last call, Brian.
What's up?

Speaker 19 (01:17:17):
All right?

Speaker 13 (01:17:18):
How you doing good?

Speaker 12 (01:17:20):
Good?

Speaker 13 (01:17:20):
Right to the point, Jerry, I'm a longtime Dallas fan. Jerry,
during his press conference, said that he's the best person
for the job to get Dallas out of his drums.
I'm sorry, I just can't bite it anymore. How many
head coaches has he gone through? And it hasn't until
he proves it, it's it's just more cliches.

Speaker 7 (01:17:42):
I just you got to prove.

Speaker 13 (01:17:43):
I'm not even asking for a super Bowl. Get to
an NFC conference game. You don't even have to win it,
just get there. He hasn't done it, So fire the
head coaches.

Speaker 12 (01:17:51):
But you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Okay, oh hey, Nick, all right, Uh yeah, I didn't
hear that last part.

Speaker 13 (01:18:03):
You say that again, Nick, right to the point. How
many head coaches has Jerry gone through and he it
hasn't worked. He says the press conference that he's the
best person.

Speaker 7 (01:18:17):
So what.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
What would you say? Okay, yeah, we did hear that part.
So what what would you say would be? So what
should he do? Fire himself? As the GMS that what
you're saying.

Speaker 13 (01:18:29):
Get someone to help him or something, or do you
know you keep doing the same thing over and over again.
You're repeating the process, and that's what they're doing. That's
what there's this droughts. Do something.

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
I did it.

Speaker 13 (01:18:40):
I'm not nothing against shot in hyper I hope.

Speaker 17 (01:18:42):
He's great.

Speaker 13 (01:18:43):
He's Jerry's not the best person for the job.

Speaker 7 (01:18:46):
All Right, it's proven.

Speaker 19 (01:18:48):
Okay, that's all.

Speaker 13 (01:18:49):
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Yeah, and I got it. I got it, And that
that doesn't matter because of uh, you know, is he
the right person?

Speaker 7 (01:18:57):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Uh, it's his job. It's his job, it's it's his organization.
He could make that that you know, he makes that
that those decisions to put himself in that in that situation.
If you believe he's the only decision maker, then then
your head is too far in the sand that that
that you know, you'll die. I mean, if you believe that,

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then it's it's ridiculous. He's got a lot of people
that he listens to, sometimes too many. One of them
is Will McLay. And Will McLay is a guy that
just signed a four year extension to be uh the
vice president of player Personnel here for the next at
least four years, uh, if not longer than that. So,
and he does have Jerry's ear. He is the closest

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thing to the GM as you would want. And I
think people are hung up on titles and things like that.
Jerry gets a lot of people, a lot of opinions,
a lot of voices uh in his ear to to
to help him make some of these decisions. And UH
and one of them is Will, and Will is going
to be here. So guys, great show, appreciate it. We'll

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be back next Wednesday to do it all over again.
UH for Chris Beam, I'm Nick Eatman. See next time.
On the storyline.

Speaker 5 (01:20:07):
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