July 10, 2025 • 27 mins
Maggie Dent is here to save the day! She has all the parenting advice you could ever need and after hearing that Kings Of Leon had to cancel a tour after playing a bit too rough with his child!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the city and with kate ki podcast, I'll
tell you what it feels a bit warmer and cozier
in the studio. I know I'm comforted because brand new
episode season two of Maggie Dan's podcast, The Good Enough
Dad is out now, Episode one with Larry and I
love that.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Maggie Dent welcome and guys.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
In Sydney, mug She's just the best.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Can I kick this off? I was listening to a
podcast the other day. There was a guy, Maggie by
the name, and it's the environment that kids have around
at home.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And do you know what?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
We're talking about kids all the time with you, But
there's different parenting styles that I've never really thought about before.
This guy's called Elane de Botton is his name. He
has a master's in philosophy, and he was talking about
environments at home. But have a listen to this.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Children come into the world and all of us are
honed by nature to figure out what do I need
to do here to survive? In some families you need
to excel academically. In some family you need to fail academically.
In some families, you need to be very witty. In
some families you need to be invisible.
Speaker 6 (01:04):
Why would you fail?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
In some families?
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Oh well, the classic one is parental envy. Some parents
are hugely envious of their own children and it cannot
bear that their child, who they've put on the earth
should be happier than they've managed to be.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
This blew me away. Have you seen cases of this,
this parental envy?
Speaker 7 (01:25):
Oh, look, I have to say that that that can
be a thing. And when I've worked with teenagers over
the years, sometimes the pressure from their parents for their
academic grades is so like debilitating because they know if
they don't get that A, the A plus when they
go home, they just you know that you're not loved
right there, You let everyone down. Parental disappointment is it's
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like a knife in their heart. And yet sometimes parents,
I'm in a where they're doing it. They're thinking, I'm
encouraging you, and I'm giving you that motivation and I'm
telling you to aim high. But sometimes it doesn't land
that way with a kid. And it another really difficult
one is and you know, because we're don't talk about dads,
the dad that's into rugby and into sport and into
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watching wrestling, and then he has a boy he likes music,
he can also struggle in that space because he's just
not in the you know, I feel like I let
my dad doubt and I've actually shared so many stories
with boys around that that I'm a failure for my dad.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
It's a tough one because you know that this is
the other one. And we've spoken about this so many times,
Maggie about well, it's just you know, like my son,
he loves football, but he also loves his video games.
We talk about video games with you all the time
and how much time he actually gets on there. But
I actually see the joy in his face, Maggie when
he plays it. And now we had a no video
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game policy at home. That's completely changed now because I
can see the joy that he gets out when he's
on there with his mates. It's just a matter of
pulling it back. But I just said to my wife,
we can't deny this because he loves it so much.
Speaker 7 (02:58):
So one of the things we know about boys particularly
is they're hunting dopamine. Right, They're hunting that really good
neurochemical makes you feel freaking amazing.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Right. Well, they don't all of.
Speaker 7 (03:08):
Them get it at school, because quite often I've got
to sit longer than they want to and the stuff's
boring and they don't think it's going to be Trust me,
I taught ear nine boys who really thought writing an
essay was a waste of time because I'm going to play.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Football for Australia.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
But what happens when they're video gaming, it's instant instance
shots of dopamine when they're doing it their mates. The
second thing that teenage particularly want and boys want is
connection with friends. And so you're filling the connection cup,
you're filling this competence company am I getting better and better?
And you're filling the fun cup And so it's not
a bad thing at all.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
But what we've got to make sure is they're not
doing it all night.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
And then also that their language doesn't escalate, because that's
one of the things parents say. Sometimes they hear this
horrible language coming out of their rooms and.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Going that's not my son.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
But when we pull them back up on that, saying,
if you want to keep playing, you know, then that
sort of language has got to stop.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
So once again.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
It's it's not all harmful, but we've got to make
sure we've got boundaries around it.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Can I ask Maggie back to the point you made
fits And I think this is one thing as a
parent I'm trying to work out quite often with my kids.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Where's the line of me being a.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Constructive dad in supporting a child and encouraging them to
do something, and then me forcing them past the point
where they're not interested? So how do I know when
I go from hey, you're going to play this sport
and you're going to do that, to do you know what,
maybe that kid doesn't want.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
To do that sport? Where do you stop?
Speaker 7 (04:37):
Oh? Look, that's one of the biggest parenting dilemmas, isn't
it that we and I'll keep on saying to parents
when your kid comes home and wants to sign up
for you know, soccer or netbook as all their friends are,
and then week three they don't want to go again.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
My house with tayepwad do uniforms foot.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Straight off to say that marketplace, same sort of thing, like,
we do want to encourage them to stretch and grow,
and sometimes they want to go because their friends are
doing it, but we really do need to know that
sometimes too much.
Speaker 7 (05:11):
And I think we're over scheduling today's children, no question,
we've got far too much on and then they're exhausted
and tired, and then we wonder where they get grumpy.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
The podcast The Good Enough Dad, I love this, Maggie,
because you do talk to all sorts of different dads,
and one of the great parts of this podcast is
when you ask about fails.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Dad fails so beautiful.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
Because we wanted to normalize that there's no perfect in
parenting or stuffing. Dads can often take these things really
really personally, like I've mucked up, and then they want
to you know, they really want to beat themselves up
because you've got to look at them. Boys, and men's
worth often comes from what I do good, and I
give myself self worth. So when I've mucked up, I
feel really really bad when.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
You share the guys about because this is a beauty.
Speaker 7 (05:53):
And I just kind of had guy up there as
you know, this amazing human and he just opened up
so beautifully when I asked for the had finally burst
out laughing, said I've got a really good one.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Make it probably is the best of two seasons.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
So we know he's got a place down in Girola,
which is not far from me, and he's got a
tinny down there.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
So quite often they go out and get some squid.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
Easter weekend picture it and Archie, his youngest son's, are
at the front of the boat and he said on
you know, getting going out and his people everywhere, of course,
and he said, and as I went to jump in,
I've actually knocked the tiller on the boat and I've
ended in the water and the boat's taken off doing
loops right, And of course his son's screaming out Dad,
and he said, don't jump, don't jump, because he's worried
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about the propeller. And each time the boat came run
he had to duck so he didn't get his bits
cut off.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
And then he says, eventually I've worked out which way
it's going.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
I've got har you to jump off, got him to shore,
and then I'm out there trying all these attempts to
get it.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Eventually gets in the boat and quietly brings it back.
Speaker 7 (06:47):
And I just thought, he said, his son keeps saying, no, Dad, not,
don want to go get this squid.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
I've scarred for life of that.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
But don't you think it's just a beautiful modus accident
to a moment that you thought was going to be
a treasured memory that were absolute, but often the fails
are the treasured memories. Just hearing you speak there, I'm like,
oh god, I remember my dad took it upon himself
to treat me to a haircut, and what ensued just
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they's gone down in family folklore. I went into the
salon as an average ten year old, and I came
out looking like the queen on a coin.
Speaker 8 (07:29):
I have this like a playdough old lady head. And
I'm sure that he beat himself up over that, but
you know, that's become one of our greatest hysterical memories together.
Speaker 7 (07:42):
Yeah, I have a pretty big one that only farm
kids would have. So when a sheep's fly blow and
you use these clippers to cut it off, and then
you spray and with stuff that kills all the maggots
and everything. And I'm holding the sheep for dad right
with my wellies on, and as he's cutting, all these
maggots are going into my boot.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
And I'm sitting there thinking, oh, right, in a.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
Moment, I got a walk and it was some one
of those moments what would my dad want me to do?
And I've just thought I can do this and just
walked off and just squashal the maggot.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
And I told my dad later and he just gave
me a big wink. That's my girl.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Why have you not had the nickname maggot?
Speaker 9 (08:16):
Dent?
Speaker 7 (08:18):
And I also wrote a poem once called Maggots and
the new teacher nearly fainted because she was a city.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
Girl and she really didn't get the.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Maggot the boots by Maggie.
Speaker 8 (08:28):
Can you remember any of the of the stanzas from Maggots?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
That is Allison from a grass Sill?
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Hello Allison, Hi guys, how are you, Maggie?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I'm live with Maggie. What is your question?
Speaker 10 (08:43):
My question is is probably a little bit of a
long winded one, but my daughter seems to second guess
herself in tasks that she's more than capable of doing. So,
for example, we do little athletics. She's a good runner,
did really well last season. It was her first seat them,
and so when it comes to long distance straight away,
she's like, I can't do it. She starts getting a stitch,
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all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 11 (09:08):
You know.
Speaker 10 (09:08):
We do the positive reinforcement, and it's the same thing
like her academics, like particularly mass she starts sort of
stressing out and sort of getting upset with herself before
she's even attempted.
Speaker 7 (09:21):
What do you do, mane, Now it's really really common, remember,
really really common. So one of the things I'm going
to say might sound a bit weir. We'rein a bit weird.
But what I want you to do, because I've worked
in this space for years as a counselor, is I
want her the last thing she does at night.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
In the first thing is morning.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
In the morning, she's going to visualize herself nailing it,
like getting those test results. She's going to see herself
running like the wind. The more times she does that vividly,
the brain thinks she's already done it, so it tends
to move.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
The doubt and the self doubt away.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
And there's a visualization on my website called Accepting Myself,
which is a neurolinguistic programming technique where they see a
big white screen and they watch themselves common infinite because
they run a video in their head and we need
to turn that video off, and the sooner we turn
it off. So I use it with all my classrooms
when I was still teaching it and am my gosh,
you should have seen the difference in the grade.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
So I love that there.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
You can't talk them out of a mindset or a
belief or a pattern, but we've going to.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Change the video in the mind.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
And I think that comes from cause I've got three
kids as well, ranging from sixteen to twelve, and I
have seen that exact thing happening.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Oh I can't, I can't do it.
Speaker 8 (10:28):
And I think there's so much pressure to be the
best at everything. And I just say to my kids
that really, it is about the journey, It's about having
a crack. It's excitement about every the best. I don't
expect you to be the best. I'm not the best
at anything. Nobody and I knows the best at anything,
but gosh, it's fun to have a go.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Celebrate effort.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
Always celebrate effort, Get up and have a go, even
if we've got no chance of winning.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
They're the messages just quickly, Maggie.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Girls and boys difference.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
At what age should they start?
Speaker 12 (10:58):
No?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
No, but what mental resilience?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
At what age do they start getting a bit of
mental resilience? They and they start pushing back.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
Look, they can they can develop that at any point
in their whole life. Journey, because what resilience really is
is that I can come across things that challenge me,
or that are adversity or difficulty, and I have an
ability to push through because I've experienced it. This is
one of the reasons I keep saying your kids are
supposed to fall out of trees. They're supposed to fall over,
They're supposed to not to get one prize in past
the parcel because we're wanting them to get used to
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moments that are difficult so that we can go through it.
So the more times they deal with those, the soon
that that happens, regardless of gender. Gotcha, And that's a
really important message for us not to keep rescuing our kids.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
So true, Melion Blackson. Your question for Maggie dent Hi.
Speaker 13 (11:44):
I have a question regarding taking my children to the shot.
I have a three year old who always ends up
wanting a lolly and if I say no, he then
has a complete melt down. My question is do I
just cave in and just buy one each time? Do
I deal with it there at the shops and talk
to him about it, or do I just take him
home or have that discussion with him?
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Laid off all right, So of course he wants a lolly.
What who doesn't.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
I'd still like one too if I went and I'm seventy.
What I got to suggest to you is that before
you get out of the car, you're you're going to
have a little chat to him and say when we
there's only these days of the week.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
And of course he's not going to know those days,
is he?
Speaker 7 (12:22):
But Monday, Wednesday, Friday, if you know we've not been
really awful to my mum and drawn lipstick on the
wall and things, there will be a lolly treat when
I go shopping.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Right.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
And then you pull up in the car park and
you go, what day is it?
Speaker 7 (12:33):
Today is this day? So it is a treat day.
Today is Tuesday, no treat day. So we go okay
with that, not today. But if we have a tantrum
about today.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Then there won't be one tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
And it might sound really but they learn, okay, so
you're not banning forever, because if you're banned forever, I'm
going to get upset too because I like my chocolate.
But so we actually setting him up to now know
to be able to predict what are the days that
he can look forward to going to you. Plus the
other thing is, yeah, leave him with someone else. We
go shopping.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Super bugged for years.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yes, Scott in Scofielder question for Maggie Dent.
Speaker 14 (13:11):
Here you're going good.
Speaker 15 (13:14):
One question is my nine year old boy. He's quite
nervous and shy, even like round strangers, but even with
people that we do. We'll be out of sporting events
and things like that and talk to him your boys
eye contacts and I just want to know what's the
best way to support him. Well, how do I get
you about it?
Speaker 14 (13:31):
Shelf?
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Well, it sounds like he's a lamb.
Speaker 7 (13:33):
So lambs are less brave, and you know they've turned
up less brave, less fear less. But I'm going to
give you a couple of things that really can help
in that space. Is your practice at home, so your
roleplay situations with him like he's a stranger and put
on some weird o face mask or something and say
so mate, how are you going?
Speaker 6 (13:50):
You know, and you actually practice the things.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
It's a bit like what I said before about the
video and the head to build his confidence at being
you practice like heck, so you can you know all
everyone and the house can play and bottom line he
becomes an adult sometimes and you're the child and you
can mimic how he might be a bit reluctant. But
we also so there's another strategy ill used with a
lot of shy children early on, and they had to
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have had to pick out some undies that were their
brave undies, so bright red, bright yellow, whatever, And so
there were days when they were going to be going
out that potentially they might meet people they're not so
sure at they had to wear their brave undies or
their fun undies, whatever you want to call it, because
it sort of makes them feel a little braver on
the inside and it's a bit of fun. But what
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I do want to say is don't ever force him
like because when we force a child who's a little
bit shy and anxious, that we set them up.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
For a whole lifetime full of dread.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
So we've got to make sure we allow them to
be yes, stay with me until you're safe. It's quite
often in circle of security, it's a brilliant parenting program.
Our kids want to stay close to the safest person
and venture a little bit and then come back, and
then you're gratually helping him go a little bit further
each time, so that he will gradually develop that capacity later.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
And Maggie, would you agree with me.
Speaker 8 (15:04):
Here because I've got a couple of shy kids and
I sort of and I'm not shy. And I sort
of realized early on when I got this shy child
out of nowhere that me trying to encourage them. I
feel like I was coming from a good place because
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you know, interacting with human beings is the greatest joy
in my life, and I wanted them to have that too.
When I realized that me talking about it kind of
got lost in translation. I was saying, this is a
great way to be Try this, try that. But what
they're hearing is you're not good enough the way you are.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
You're actually failing as you are. You're dead right. Yeah,
I know, best intentions in the world. Welcome to the
tricky part of parenting.
Speaker 8 (15:55):
Yes, So now I just say, you're either a shy
person or you're going through a shy Let's see.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Where it goes.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, and it's perfectly normal.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
Celebrate those ones. Celebrate the lambs and the roosters.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, let's take one more call Leah and Harring to
park your question for Maggie dent LEA.
Speaker 11 (16:11):
Oh, good morning, Maggie. Thanks. I just wanted to know.
I've got a fifteen year old son and I've been
a fan of yours for oh well, since he was
conceived to be honest him and he's not a fan
of showering. He gets hygiene.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
Yeah, yeah, okay, so this is really really copy.
Speaker 14 (16:33):
Now.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
The weirdest thing about our tweeny and teen boys is
I actually don't realize they smell. Oh I'm in a
classroom full of them, right and I'm nearly passing out,
and not one of them notices that there's this body
odor in the room. They don't smell it. So they
want to say, look, why should I bother because A
I don't smell and there's no skin on my jocks, Like,
what's the point of saving water?
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Okay, So I don't know if you can try this one.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
I did it with my four year olds some because
he was decided he didn't want to shower bath anymore.
So I I tried the incentivizing. You know, of course
it's not going to work with a fifteen year old boy.
But when I said to him at one point, I
sat with him and said, you know, mate, mummy doesn't
have a penis. But you know, if I didn't, I
didn't wash it, I reckon, I go moldy and fall off.
He was in the shower like a flash. At the
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end of the day, I'd probably come with you know
that sort of thing that if you don't look after
your peters, it'll fall off, get a bit rotten and
still still Yeah, the more you nag, the less it's
going to shower.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Worked for you, hasn't it made thank you?
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Mate? On that on that have to wash it.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
I've got a sixteen year old.
Speaker 8 (17:43):
Is there a nice way to say you're a bit
on the nose? Because it's a it's an insulting thing.
If anybody said to me you stin, I so offended,
all right, so let me have it sort of chip.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
It's such a crazy thing because of I had house
fuls of boys. They all bought their mates and ate
me out of house and home. But you know what,
the mother of one of your son's mates is the
person who drops the truth bomb. Because while they're in
my house there was a boy, Oh my god, and
I said, mate, I'm going to take your home so
and I can't have.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
That really off.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
Do you want to go up and put some andy
bo on a? Yeah, no worries. His mom's been trying
to nag the hell out of him because he really
likes coming to my house.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
I'm not his mother. Yeah, and he knows I like him.
He goes up, but you know what he did that?
Speaker 7 (18:31):
But when I came back later, he sprayed the whole
mirror with and the deodorant.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
All over the mirror. Because you thought that was funny too.
Oh love him in your home anymore?
Speaker 14 (18:44):
He was?
Speaker 6 (18:45):
He definitely was.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Oh that is sensational. Thank you for happiness.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Her brand new podcast, The Good Enough Dad, it's out now.
Like you said, Larry Him is the first episode. Your
guy Sebastian Cameron Dadda. We love Cameron Dada. You've also
got all veterans to professional surfers.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
The podcast is out now.
Speaker 7 (19:03):
You have to hear about the bit about surfers. My
boys were going to sack me as their mother. They're
all surfers because I didn't have any surfers or AFL footballers.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
No, don't just go cut me out. Don't going to
cut me right out. So I've nailed it. I'm allowed
to stay their mother.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I love you, Maggie, thank you very much for coming in.
Speaker 8 (19:23):
This is the Fitzi and Whipper with Cape Ritchie Podcast.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Can we talk about Kings of Lewn.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
I love Kings of Lund great band.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
You've just shown me a photo of them.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Too, Okay, I'm sure. So this is so they formed
early two thousands. Whip that's them, that's the Followers. So
there's three brothers, the follow Wheel brothers, and that's their
their cousins.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
There as well, right, okay, Jared or.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Is it Nathan? I don't know. Anyway, there's a cousin
in there. They're all family. That's when they first started.
I mean they were heart throbs rock and roll around
the time of the Strokes.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I mean they were part hard Mate.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I mean the lead singer, the lead singer, Caleb, he's
married to a supermodel Lily Audrey.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I mean, it's it's been a life of rock.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
And roll and amazing. If you've ever seen Kings of
Leon live, they are a great live man. You know
what good looking guys, rock stars. How things have changed. Caleb,
the lead singer, brought out a video yesterday. They're just
about to start a huge UK and European tour, and
this is what's happened now to Kings of.
Speaker 12 (20:30):
Le Hello to everyone out there, especially our European fans
that are preparing to come see us this summer. Unfortunately,
I regret to inform you that those shows will have
to be canceled due to a freak accident that happened
the other day. Broke my foot pretty bad playing with
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my kids.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
It's pretty gnarly.
Speaker 12 (20:56):
I'll spare all the details, but we're fortunate enough to
have Greek doctors here in Nashville that gave me emergency surgery.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Now, Dave Growl broke his leg on stage, yes, and
then performance he said, someone grabbed me a seat, I
can't walk and finished the set. Now look at this
Pansy telling me he's playing in the backyard, probably on
the trampolone.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Axel Rose did it, was on a seat for a while,
as Zach de la Roche did it as well.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
From rage against the machine.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
He broke his leg and he kept he just kept
performing in a seat.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
What's happened to the real rock star?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I mean, we remember the time we had that interview,
and this is when I realized people changed fits. You
and I caught up with Robbie Williams at the Four
Seasons here in Sydney and we're.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Talking to him.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Well, to take you back to the great Robbie Williams days,
there was a guy that we know, remember Ian, the
security guard ian, was in santra Pe and his job
was to make sure that Robbie didn't get out of
the compound in the house where he was staying. Robbie
pinched the keys to the moped and took off and
went missing for four days and then went into rehab
for two weeks.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Now, that was Robbis.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And then during the interview cut to us at the
Four Seasons, he realizes it's a Tuesday and he says, oh,
that's great, I'm allowed to have some sugar today.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
We went, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Back in the day, Robbie, you would have thrown anything
you could into the system to get a high, and
now you're excited that on a Tuesday you're allowed.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
A piece of chocolate. What's happened to rock stars in
twenty twenty five? Well, it is I mean, it is hard.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
You get older, and that's the thing kids ruin your lives.
And that's what I want to focus on today. When
did the kids injure you, and it's usually trying to
save the kids or do something, or you're playing with
the kids. It could be something minor at a playground.
I remember we used to have a water slide park
called Magic Mountain where we grew up with.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
And it was it was quite steep. It was really radical.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
And I used to go down with Dad and Dad
was Dad used to weigh a bit. Dad was up
around about one hundred kilos when when he was at
his peak football career, and I remember Dad used to
hold you know, we used to go down with your
dad when we were still young one or you'd be
yeah in between his legs.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I remember he had a big final coming up that
weekend and I just wanted him to go faster and faster,
and we went down this steep bit we came. As
we went down the bottom and turned around the corner,
Dad got airborne. Not just injured me because he went
up landed on me. He landed on his shoulder and
popped his shoulder, so.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You've been crushed his shoulders out.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
He couldn't play that week, and there was that moment
of oh no, oh, no, he's injured me and he's
out for the week. Okay, how did the kids injure U?
Sarah and Taramara? What happens here?
Speaker 13 (23:49):
I was with my dad and I broke his finger
because I slammed it into the cupbin.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
On No, it wasn't his pinky, was it?
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Oh Sarah?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Did Dad get angry or did he was he? Did
he play it cool?
Speaker 13 (24:08):
He got really nice and it was all funny looking.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Oh no, straight to the doctor, stretched up thing out
and put her back together.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Well, I don't say, let's go to Alana now and
warn Ara hids tell us what happened with yous?
Speaker 14 (24:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (24:22):
So it was actually my brother. He was running around
the backyard with his probly four year old daughter then
and they got pavers out the back and he's just
tripped and he's taken her with him, so he slipped
her around so he didn't land on her. He's landed
on his shoulder and he's broke a couple of bones
in his shoulder.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
But saved her as a hero.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
Yeah, so that's what he keeps telling us. Really strange
because my husband had a shoulder operation at the same time,
and my brother's wife had also had a shoulder operation,
so all three of them were in slings.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Cool package, very hard, a little at kids, very hard
to look after the look at the kids the same
way after that, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Mel Northmeade? What happened to your partner? Mel?
Speaker 6 (25:08):
So?
Speaker 9 (25:08):
He used to do athletics when he was young, and
as his kids were going to athletics, so we're in
their early teens, he's decided to be the cool, healthy
dad and.
Speaker 11 (25:19):
He's senior athletics and he was doing a two hundred
meter race in rotches his achilles.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Ah, that's what guy Sebastian just did.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Now that's how you're out for a long time, minimum
a year.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Mail.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
So that was the end of his sporting career. After that,
he's never gone back to athletics.
Speaker 11 (25:38):
He's never gone back to touch footy.
Speaker 13 (25:40):
And we were meant to go to a ski holiday
in Canada.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Three male cancel at all Samsia, Hello, Hey, how are
you guys? Good? What's your story?
Speaker 13 (25:57):
So my brother fall around for the ball on the
roof and gone up to go get it.
Speaker 9 (26:04):
They stopped the ladder and actually broke it. His nineteen
three places.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Oh you're kidding me, it's not funny at all, just
to get the ball.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
How is he? Is he okay?
Speaker 11 (26:14):
Now he's actually okay. So the fight like it's stables
what they called it, So nothing can ask for.
Speaker 10 (26:23):
Anything, so he can walk and he's.
Speaker 14 (26:26):
Just in the boats.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yeah, most important question as well, Sonthia as well. Did
anyone film it so you can put it up on socials?
Speaker 9 (26:38):
No, I mean my brother's always No, I missed it.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
So you asked the question, did it really happen?
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Rowing incarage on how did your father son fishing trip
go wrong?
Speaker 14 (26:50):
Not real? Good little fella. When he first took him
out on the boat, he stood up really fast and
got me in the eye with the end of the
fishing road from the eyelid, and then as he went
to pull it away, the hook got me in the
side of the head.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
No, it didn't know what around the tent.
Speaker 14 (27:07):
Get a book removed out of the side of my
head and pitches in the eyelid.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Oh, hadn't even got the line in the water, right, kid,
he's got a nibb.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You're gonna pull in dad. I think I've got a temple.
I had an eyeball at the same time.
Speaker 14 (27:24):
Yeah, they're always good.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Oh, good on you for making the effort mate.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
It's in Whipper with Kate Ritchie is a Nova podcast
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Dad is out now, Episode one with Larry and I
love that.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Maggie Dent welcome and guys.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
In Sydney, mug She's just the best.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Can I kick this off? I was listening to a
podcast the other day. There was a guy, Maggie by
the name, and it's the environment that kids have around
at home.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And do you know what?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
We're talking about kids all the time with you, But
there's different parenting styles that I've never really thought about before.
This guy's called Elane de Botton is his name. He
has a master's in philosophy, and he was talking about
environments at home. But have a listen to this.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Children come into the world and all of us are
honed by nature to figure out what do I need
to do here to survive? In some families you need
to excel academically. In some family you need to fail academically.
In some families, you need to be very witty. In
some families you need to be invisible.
Speaker 6 (01:04):
Why would you fail?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
In some families?
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Oh well, the classic one is parental envy. Some parents
are hugely envious of their own children and it cannot
bear that their child, who they've put on the earth
should be happier than they've managed to be.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
This blew me away. Have you seen cases of this,
this parental envy?
Speaker 7 (01:25):
Oh, look, I have to say that that that can
be a thing. And when I've worked with teenagers over
the years, sometimes the pressure from their parents for their
academic grades is so like debilitating because they know if
they don't get that A, the A plus when they
go home, they just you know that you're not loved
right there, You let everyone down. Parental disappointment is it's
(01:47):
like a knife in their heart. And yet sometimes parents,
I'm in a where they're doing it. They're thinking, I'm
encouraging you, and I'm giving you that motivation and I'm
telling you to aim high. But sometimes it doesn't land
that way with a kid. And it another really difficult
one is and you know, because we're don't talk about dads,
the dad that's into rugby and into sport and into
(02:08):
watching wrestling, and then he has a boy he likes music,
he can also struggle in that space because he's just
not in the you know, I feel like I let
my dad doubt and I've actually shared so many stories
with boys around that that I'm a failure for my dad.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
It's a tough one because you know that this is
the other one. And we've spoken about this so many times,
Maggie about well, it's just you know, like my son,
he loves football, but he also loves his video games.
We talk about video games with you all the time
and how much time he actually gets on there. But
I actually see the joy in his face, Maggie when
he plays it. And now we had a no video
(02:44):
game policy at home. That's completely changed now because I
can see the joy that he gets out when he's
on there with his mates. It's just a matter of
pulling it back. But I just said to my wife,
we can't deny this because he loves it so much.
Speaker 7 (02:58):
So one of the things we know about boys particularly
is they're hunting dopamine. Right, They're hunting that really good
neurochemical makes you feel freaking amazing.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Right. Well, they don't all of.
Speaker 7 (03:08):
Them get it at school, because quite often I've got
to sit longer than they want to and the stuff's
boring and they don't think it's going to be Trust me,
I taught ear nine boys who really thought writing an
essay was a waste of time because I'm going to play.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Football for Australia.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
But what happens when they're video gaming, it's instant instance
shots of dopamine when they're doing it their mates. The
second thing that teenage particularly want and boys want is
connection with friends. And so you're filling the connection cup,
you're filling this competence company am I getting better and better?
And you're filling the fun cup And so it's not
a bad thing at all.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
But what we've got to make sure is they're not
doing it all night.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
And then also that their language doesn't escalate, because that's
one of the things parents say. Sometimes they hear this
horrible language coming out of their rooms and.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Going that's not my son.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
But when we pull them back up on that, saying,
if you want to keep playing, you know, then that
sort of language has got to stop.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
So once again.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
It's it's not all harmful, but we've got to make
sure we've got boundaries around it.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Can I ask Maggie back to the point you made
fits And I think this is one thing as a
parent I'm trying to work out quite often with my kids.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Where's the line of me being a.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Constructive dad in supporting a child and encouraging them to
do something, and then me forcing them past the point
where they're not interested? So how do I know when
I go from hey, you're going to play this sport
and you're going to do that, to do you know what,
maybe that kid doesn't want.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
To do that sport? Where do you stop?
Speaker 7 (04:37):
Oh? Look, that's one of the biggest parenting dilemmas, isn't
it that we and I'll keep on saying to parents
when your kid comes home and wants to sign up
for you know, soccer or netbook as all their friends are,
and then week three they don't want to go again.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
My house with tayepwad do uniforms foot.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Straight off to say that marketplace, same sort of thing, like,
we do want to encourage them to stretch and grow,
and sometimes they want to go because their friends are
doing it, but we really do need to know that
sometimes too much.
Speaker 7 (05:11):
And I think we're over scheduling today's children, no question,
we've got far too much on and then they're exhausted
and tired, and then we wonder where they get grumpy.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
The podcast The Good Enough Dad, I love this, Maggie,
because you do talk to all sorts of different dads,
and one of the great parts of this podcast is
when you ask about fails.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Dad fails so beautiful.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
Because we wanted to normalize that there's no perfect in
parenting or stuffing. Dads can often take these things really
really personally, like I've mucked up, and then they want
to you know, they really want to beat themselves up
because you've got to look at them. Boys, and men's
worth often comes from what I do good, and I
give myself self worth. So when I've mucked up, I
feel really really bad when.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
You share the guys about because this is a beauty.
Speaker 7 (05:53):
And I just kind of had guy up there as
you know, this amazing human and he just opened up
so beautifully when I asked for the had finally burst
out laughing, said I've got a really good one.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Make it probably is the best of two seasons.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
So we know he's got a place down in Girola,
which is not far from me, and he's got a
tinny down there.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
So quite often they go out and get some squid.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
Easter weekend picture it and Archie, his youngest son's, are
at the front of the boat and he said on
you know, getting going out and his people everywhere, of course,
and he said, and as I went to jump in,
I've actually knocked the tiller on the boat and I've
ended in the water and the boat's taken off doing
loops right, And of course his son's screaming out Dad,
and he said, don't jump, don't jump, because he's worried
(06:33):
about the propeller. And each time the boat came run
he had to duck so he didn't get his bits
cut off.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
And then he says, eventually I've worked out which way
it's going.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
I've got har you to jump off, got him to shore,
and then I'm out there trying all these attempts to
get it.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Eventually gets in the boat and quietly brings it back.
Speaker 7 (06:47):
And I just thought, he said, his son keeps saying, no, Dad, not,
don want to go get this squid.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
I've scarred for life of that.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
But don't you think it's just a beautiful modus accident
to a moment that you thought was going to be
a treasured memory that were absolute, but often the fails
are the treasured memories. Just hearing you speak there, I'm like,
oh god, I remember my dad took it upon himself
to treat me to a haircut, and what ensued just
(07:19):
they's gone down in family folklore. I went into the
salon as an average ten year old, and I came
out looking like the queen on a coin.
Speaker 8 (07:29):
I have this like a playdough old lady head. And
I'm sure that he beat himself up over that, but
you know, that's become one of our greatest hysterical memories together.
Speaker 7 (07:42):
Yeah, I have a pretty big one that only farm
kids would have. So when a sheep's fly blow and
you use these clippers to cut it off, and then
you spray and with stuff that kills all the maggots
and everything. And I'm holding the sheep for dad right
with my wellies on, and as he's cutting, all these
maggots are going into my boot.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
And I'm sitting there thinking, oh, right, in a.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
Moment, I got a walk and it was some one
of those moments what would my dad want me to do?
And I've just thought I can do this and just
walked off and just squashal the maggot.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
And I told my dad later and he just gave
me a big wink. That's my girl.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Why have you not had the nickname maggot?
Speaker 9 (08:16):
Dent?
Speaker 7 (08:18):
And I also wrote a poem once called Maggots and
the new teacher nearly fainted because she was a city.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
Girl and she really didn't get the.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Maggot the boots by Maggie.
Speaker 8 (08:28):
Can you remember any of the of the stanzas from Maggots?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
That is Allison from a grass Sill?
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Hello Allison, Hi guys, how are you, Maggie?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I'm live with Maggie. What is your question?
Speaker 10 (08:43):
My question is is probably a little bit of a
long winded one, but my daughter seems to second guess
herself in tasks that she's more than capable of doing. So,
for example, we do little athletics. She's a good runner,
did really well last season. It was her first seat them,
and so when it comes to long distance straight away,
she's like, I can't do it. She starts getting a stitch,
(09:06):
all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 11 (09:08):
You know.
Speaker 10 (09:08):
We do the positive reinforcement, and it's the same thing
like her academics, like particularly mass she starts sort of
stressing out and sort of getting upset with herself before
she's even attempted.
Speaker 7 (09:21):
What do you do, mane, Now it's really really common, remember,
really really common. So one of the things I'm going
to say might sound a bit weir. We'rein a bit weird.
But what I want you to do, because I've worked
in this space for years as a counselor, is I
want her the last thing she does at night.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
In the first thing is morning.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
In the morning, she's going to visualize herself nailing it,
like getting those test results. She's going to see herself
running like the wind. The more times she does that vividly,
the brain thinks she's already done it, so it tends
to move.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
The doubt and the self doubt away.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
And there's a visualization on my website called Accepting Myself,
which is a neurolinguistic programming technique where they see a
big white screen and they watch themselves common infinite because
they run a video in their head and we need
to turn that video off, and the sooner we turn
it off. So I use it with all my classrooms
when I was still teaching it and am my gosh,
you should have seen the difference in the grade.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
So I love that there.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
You can't talk them out of a mindset or a
belief or a pattern, but we've going to.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Change the video in the mind.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
And I think that comes from cause I've got three
kids as well, ranging from sixteen to twelve, and I
have seen that exact thing happening.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Oh I can't, I can't do it.
Speaker 8 (10:28):
And I think there's so much pressure to be the
best at everything. And I just say to my kids
that really, it is about the journey, It's about having
a crack. It's excitement about every the best. I don't
expect you to be the best. I'm not the best
at anything. Nobody and I knows the best at anything,
but gosh, it's fun to have a go.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Celebrate effort.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
Always celebrate effort, Get up and have a go, even
if we've got no chance of winning.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
They're the messages just quickly, Maggie.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Girls and boys difference.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
At what age should they start?
Speaker 12 (10:58):
No?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
No, but what mental resilience?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
At what age do they start getting a bit of
mental resilience? They and they start pushing back.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
Look, they can they can develop that at any point
in their whole life. Journey, because what resilience really is
is that I can come across things that challenge me,
or that are adversity or difficulty, and I have an
ability to push through because I've experienced it. This is
one of the reasons I keep saying your kids are
supposed to fall out of trees. They're supposed to fall over,
They're supposed to not to get one prize in past
the parcel because we're wanting them to get used to
(11:29):
moments that are difficult so that we can go through it.
So the more times they deal with those, the soon
that that happens, regardless of gender. Gotcha, And that's a
really important message for us not to keep rescuing our kids.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
So true, Melion Blackson. Your question for Maggie dent Hi.
Speaker 13 (11:44):
I have a question regarding taking my children to the shot.
I have a three year old who always ends up
wanting a lolly and if I say no, he then
has a complete melt down. My question is do I
just cave in and just buy one each time? Do
I deal with it there at the shops and talk
to him about it, or do I just take him
home or have that discussion with him?
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Laid off all right, So of course he wants a lolly.
What who doesn't.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
I'd still like one too if I went and I'm seventy.
What I got to suggest to you is that before
you get out of the car, you're you're going to
have a little chat to him and say when we
there's only these days of the week.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
And of course he's not going to know those days,
is he?
Speaker 7 (12:22):
But Monday, Wednesday, Friday, if you know we've not been
really awful to my mum and drawn lipstick on the
wall and things, there will be a lolly treat when
I go shopping.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Right.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
And then you pull up in the car park and
you go, what day is it?
Speaker 7 (12:33):
Today is this day? So it is a treat day.
Today is Tuesday, no treat day. So we go okay
with that, not today. But if we have a tantrum
about today.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Then there won't be one tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
And it might sound really but they learn, okay, so
you're not banning forever, because if you're banned forever, I'm
going to get upset too because I like my chocolate.
But so we actually setting him up to now know
to be able to predict what are the days that
he can look forward to going to you. Plus the
other thing is, yeah, leave him with someone else. We
go shopping.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Super bugged for years.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yes, Scott in Scofielder question for Maggie Dent.
Speaker 14 (13:11):
Here you're going good.
Speaker 15 (13:14):
One question is my nine year old boy. He's quite
nervous and shy, even like round strangers, but even with
people that we do. We'll be out of sporting events
and things like that and talk to him your boys
eye contacts and I just want to know what's the
best way to support him. Well, how do I get
you about it?
Speaker 14 (13:31):
Shelf?
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Well, it sounds like he's a lamb.
Speaker 7 (13:33):
So lambs are less brave, and you know they've turned
up less brave, less fear less. But I'm going to
give you a couple of things that really can help
in that space. Is your practice at home, so your
roleplay situations with him like he's a stranger and put
on some weird o face mask or something and say
so mate, how are you going?
Speaker 6 (13:50):
You know, and you actually practice the things.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
It's a bit like what I said before about the
video and the head to build his confidence at being
you practice like heck, so you can you know all
everyone and the house can play and bottom line he
becomes an adult sometimes and you're the child and you
can mimic how he might be a bit reluctant. But
we also so there's another strategy ill used with a
lot of shy children early on, and they had to
(14:13):
have had to pick out some undies that were their
brave undies, so bright red, bright yellow, whatever, And so
there were days when they were going to be going
out that potentially they might meet people they're not so
sure at they had to wear their brave undies or
their fun undies, whatever you want to call it, because
it sort of makes them feel a little braver on
the inside and it's a bit of fun. But what
(14:33):
I do want to say is don't ever force him
like because when we force a child who's a little
bit shy and anxious, that we set them up.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
For a whole lifetime full of dread.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
So we've got to make sure we allow them to
be yes, stay with me until you're safe. It's quite
often in circle of security, it's a brilliant parenting program.
Our kids want to stay close to the safest person
and venture a little bit and then come back, and
then you're gratually helping him go a little bit further
each time, so that he will gradually develop that capacity later.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
And Maggie, would you agree with me.
Speaker 8 (15:04):
Here because I've got a couple of shy kids and
I sort of and I'm not shy. And I sort
of realized early on when I got this shy child
out of nowhere that me trying to encourage them. I
feel like I was coming from a good place because
(15:28):
you know, interacting with human beings is the greatest joy
in my life, and I wanted them to have that too.
When I realized that me talking about it kind of
got lost in translation. I was saying, this is a
great way to be Try this, try that. But what
they're hearing is you're not good enough the way you are.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
You're actually failing as you are. You're dead right. Yeah,
I know, best intentions in the world. Welcome to the
tricky part of parenting.
Speaker 8 (15:55):
Yes, So now I just say, you're either a shy
person or you're going through a shy Let's see.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Where it goes.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, and it's perfectly normal.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
Celebrate those ones. Celebrate the lambs and the roosters.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, let's take one more call Leah and Harring to
park your question for Maggie dent LEA.
Speaker 11 (16:11):
Oh, good morning, Maggie. Thanks. I just wanted to know.
I've got a fifteen year old son and I've been
a fan of yours for oh well, since he was
conceived to be honest him and he's not a fan
of showering. He gets hygiene.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
Yeah, yeah, okay, so this is really really copy.
Speaker 14 (16:33):
Now.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
The weirdest thing about our tweeny and teen boys is
I actually don't realize they smell. Oh I'm in a
classroom full of them, right and I'm nearly passing out,
and not one of them notices that there's this body
odor in the room. They don't smell it. So they
want to say, look, why should I bother because A
I don't smell and there's no skin on my jocks, Like,
what's the point of saving water?
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Okay, So I don't know if you can try this one.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
I did it with my four year olds some because
he was decided he didn't want to shower bath anymore.
So I I tried the incentivizing. You know, of course
it's not going to work with a fifteen year old boy.
But when I said to him at one point, I
sat with him and said, you know, mate, mummy doesn't
have a penis. But you know, if I didn't, I
didn't wash it, I reckon, I go moldy and fall off.
He was in the shower like a flash. At the
(17:19):
end of the day, I'd probably come with you know
that sort of thing that if you don't look after
your peters, it'll fall off, get a bit rotten and
still still Yeah, the more you nag, the less it's
going to shower.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Worked for you, hasn't it made thank you?
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Mate? On that on that have to wash it.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
I've got a sixteen year old.
Speaker 8 (17:43):
Is there a nice way to say you're a bit
on the nose? Because it's a it's an insulting thing.
If anybody said to me you stin, I so offended,
all right, so let me have it sort of chip.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
It's such a crazy thing because of I had house
fuls of boys. They all bought their mates and ate
me out of house and home. But you know what,
the mother of one of your son's mates is the
person who drops the truth bomb. Because while they're in
my house there was a boy, Oh my god, and
I said, mate, I'm going to take your home so
and I can't have.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
That really off.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
Do you want to go up and put some andy
bo on a? Yeah, no worries. His mom's been trying
to nag the hell out of him because he really
likes coming to my house.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
I'm not his mother. Yeah, and he knows I like him.
He goes up, but you know what he did that?
Speaker 7 (18:31):
But when I came back later, he sprayed the whole
mirror with and the deodorant.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
All over the mirror. Because you thought that was funny too.
Oh love him in your home anymore?
Speaker 14 (18:44):
He was?
Speaker 6 (18:45):
He definitely was.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Oh that is sensational. Thank you for happiness.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Her brand new podcast, The Good Enough Dad, it's out now.
Like you said, Larry Him is the first episode. Your
guy Sebastian Cameron Dadda. We love Cameron Dada. You've also
got all veterans to professional surfers.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
The podcast is out now.
Speaker 7 (19:03):
You have to hear about the bit about surfers. My
boys were going to sack me as their mother. They're
all surfers because I didn't have any surfers or AFL footballers.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
No, don't just go cut me out. Don't going to
cut me right out. So I've nailed it. I'm allowed
to stay their mother.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I love you, Maggie, thank you very much for coming in.
Speaker 8 (19:23):
This is the Fitzi and Whipper with Cape Ritchie Podcast.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Can we talk about Kings of Lewn.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
I love Kings of Lund great band.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
You've just shown me a photo of them.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Too, Okay, I'm sure. So this is so they formed
early two thousands. Whip that's them, that's the Followers. So
there's three brothers, the follow Wheel brothers, and that's their
their cousins.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
There as well, right, okay, Jared or.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Is it Nathan? I don't know. Anyway, there's a cousin
in there. They're all family. That's when they first started.
I mean they were heart throbs rock and roll around
the time of the Strokes.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I mean they were part hard Mate.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I mean the lead singer, the lead singer, Caleb, he's
married to a supermodel Lily Audrey.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I mean, it's it's been a life of rock.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
And roll and amazing. If you've ever seen Kings of
Leon live, they are a great live man. You know
what good looking guys, rock stars. How things have changed. Caleb,
the lead singer, brought out a video yesterday. They're just
about to start a huge UK and European tour, and
this is what's happened now to Kings of.
Speaker 12 (20:30):
Le Hello to everyone out there, especially our European fans
that are preparing to come see us this summer. Unfortunately,
I regret to inform you that those shows will have
to be canceled due to a freak accident that happened
the other day. Broke my foot pretty bad playing with
(20:52):
my kids.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
It's pretty gnarly.
Speaker 12 (20:56):
I'll spare all the details, but we're fortunate enough to
have Greek doctors here in Nashville that gave me emergency surgery.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Now, Dave Growl broke his leg on stage, yes, and
then performance he said, someone grabbed me a seat, I
can't walk and finished the set. Now look at this
Pansy telling me he's playing in the backyard, probably on
the trampolone.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Axel Rose did it, was on a seat for a while,
as Zach de la Roche did it as well.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
From rage against the machine.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
He broke his leg and he kept he just kept
performing in a seat.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
What's happened to the real rock star?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I mean, we remember the time we had that interview,
and this is when I realized people changed fits. You
and I caught up with Robbie Williams at the Four
Seasons here in Sydney and we're.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Talking to him.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Well, to take you back to the great Robbie Williams days,
there was a guy that we know, remember Ian, the
security guard ian, was in santra Pe and his job
was to make sure that Robbie didn't get out of
the compound in the house where he was staying. Robbie
pinched the keys to the moped and took off and
went missing for four days and then went into rehab
for two weeks.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Now, that was Robbis.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And then during the interview cut to us at the
Four Seasons, he realizes it's a Tuesday and he says, oh,
that's great, I'm allowed to have some sugar today.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
We went, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Back in the day, Robbie, you would have thrown anything
you could into the system to get a high, and
now you're excited that on a Tuesday you're allowed.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
A piece of chocolate. What's happened to rock stars in
twenty twenty five? Well, it is I mean, it is hard.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
You get older, and that's the thing kids ruin your lives.
And that's what I want to focus on today. When
did the kids injure you, and it's usually trying to
save the kids or do something, or you're playing with
the kids. It could be something minor at a playground.
I remember we used to have a water slide park
called Magic Mountain where we grew up with.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
And it was it was quite steep. It was really radical.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
And I used to go down with Dad and Dad
was Dad used to weigh a bit. Dad was up
around about one hundred kilos when when he was at
his peak football career, and I remember Dad used to
hold you know, we used to go down with your
dad when we were still young one or you'd be
yeah in between his legs.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I remember he had a big final coming up that
weekend and I just wanted him to go faster and faster,
and we went down this steep bit we came. As
we went down the bottom and turned around the corner,
Dad got airborne. Not just injured me because he went
up landed on me. He landed on his shoulder and
popped his shoulder, so.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You've been crushed his shoulders out.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
He couldn't play that week, and there was that moment
of oh no, oh, no, he's injured me and he's
out for the week. Okay, how did the kids injure U?
Sarah and Taramara? What happens here?
Speaker 13 (23:49):
I was with my dad and I broke his finger
because I slammed it into the cupbin.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
On No, it wasn't his pinky, was it?
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Oh Sarah?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Did Dad get angry or did he was he? Did
he play it cool?
Speaker 13 (24:08):
He got really nice and it was all funny looking.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Oh no, straight to the doctor, stretched up thing out
and put her back together.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Well, I don't say, let's go to Alana now and
warn Ara hids tell us what happened with yous?
Speaker 14 (24:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (24:22):
So it was actually my brother. He was running around
the backyard with his probly four year old daughter then
and they got pavers out the back and he's just
tripped and he's taken her with him, so he slipped
her around so he didn't land on her. He's landed
on his shoulder and he's broke a couple of bones
in his shoulder.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
But saved her as a hero.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
Yeah, so that's what he keeps telling us. Really strange
because my husband had a shoulder operation at the same time,
and my brother's wife had also had a shoulder operation,
so all three of them were in slings.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Cool package, very hard, a little at kids, very hard
to look after the look at the kids the same
way after that, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Mel Northmeade? What happened to your partner? Mel?
Speaker 6 (25:08):
So?
Speaker 9 (25:08):
He used to do athletics when he was young, and
as his kids were going to athletics, so we're in
their early teens, he's decided to be the cool, healthy
dad and.
Speaker 11 (25:19):
He's senior athletics and he was doing a two hundred
meter race in rotches his achilles.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Ah, that's what guy Sebastian just did.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Now that's how you're out for a long time, minimum
a year.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Mail.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
So that was the end of his sporting career. After that,
he's never gone back to athletics.
Speaker 11 (25:38):
He's never gone back to touch footy.
Speaker 13 (25:40):
And we were meant to go to a ski holiday
in Canada.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Three male cancel at all Samsia, Hello, Hey, how are
you guys? Good? What's your story?
Speaker 13 (25:57):
So my brother fall around for the ball on the
roof and gone up to go get it.
Speaker 9 (26:04):
They stopped the ladder and actually broke it. His nineteen
three places.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Oh you're kidding me, it's not funny at all, just
to get the ball.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
How is he? Is he okay?
Speaker 11 (26:14):
Now he's actually okay. So the fight like it's stables
what they called it, So nothing can ask for.
Speaker 10 (26:23):
Anything, so he can walk and he's.
Speaker 14 (26:26):
Just in the boats.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yeah, most important question as well, Sonthia as well. Did
anyone film it so you can put it up on socials?
Speaker 9 (26:38):
No, I mean my brother's always No, I missed it.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
So you asked the question, did it really happen?
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Rowing incarage on how did your father son fishing trip
go wrong?
Speaker 14 (26:50):
Not real? Good little fella. When he first took him
out on the boat, he stood up really fast and
got me in the eye with the end of the
fishing road from the eyelid, and then as he went
to pull it away, the hook got me in the
side of the head.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
No, it didn't know what around the tent.
Speaker 14 (27:07):
Get a book removed out of the side of my
head and pitches in the eyelid.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Oh, hadn't even got the line in the water, right, kid,
he's got a nibb.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You're gonna pull in dad. I think I've got a temple.
I had an eyeball at the same time.
Speaker 14 (27:24):
Yeah, they're always good.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Oh, good on you for making the effort mate.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
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