Kendall & Casey Hour 1, 12-8-2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, we've got another Senator weighing in on redistricting.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
He's a pretty big one.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
He is a no senator.

Speaker 4 (00:07):
Mike Krider strongly opposes the new map, calling it alarming.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Okay, so Mike Krider, he what is he?

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Shelby County Eastern, part of the stag Well Greenfield. Yeah,
so he is a big voice. He's been there a while,
he's a respected member of the Senate. High up on
the food chain. Doesn't mean that that's an inclination of
where the rest of the Senate is going to go
on redistricting, which starts today, by the way, the Senate

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is convening. I believe Elections Committee has the bill. And
look what he said. And I'm not a Mike Criter fan.
He's part of the you know, merry band of misfits
that has done a lot of the things we talk
about and don't like on this show. But in this
Capitol Chronicle article where he has come out against redistricting,

(00:56):
I just wanted to read his quote that I thought
was was bo because it's what we've talked about. We've
talked about with redistricting, and there's many reasons to oppose it,
but one of the main reasons for me is you
are no longer representing people. You're representing the party. The
purpose of the representative as set up by our founders,
and we talked about this many times before, is to

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say I represent this small block, small in the sense
of the entire country, block of people who don't have
a voice in Washington other than through me.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
And they share these points.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Of commonality, right, things like geography, commerce, time zones, all
of these things that we've laid out, and it's my
job to go to Washington and be their voice. Under
these new maps, that all goes away because you've got
numerous districts to start in Indianapolis and will stretch all
the way to the tip of the state east west,

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south right, you're not representing commonality points of interest.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
You're gonna have to pick.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
You're going to literally have bills in front of you
in which your constituents will be at odds with each other,
so you won't be representing half of your people.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
M m.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Well, he said that he thought it was alarming.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, he said, quote, I think the maps are pretty alarming. Actually,
So I was a no before and I'm for sure
a no now now. This is where it gets interesting.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Quote.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I mean, I just think that if those maps pass,
there's a good possibility that three or four millionaires from
Indianapolis will represent a third of the state. So I
don't know that serves us well wow, which is exactly
what we've been saying.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Well, he's not wrong, because it's going to cost a
lot of money.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Sure, and we have been saying that nobody has an
answer for this. They won't answer it other than well,
anything's better than Andre Carson. That's literally the answer you
get when you point this out to people. You tell
me how putting two or three more Jefferson Shreeves in Washington,
d C. Is going to make your life any better.
This is a guy who ran for mayor of Indianapolis,

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lied to everyone said, Oh, this is the only job
I want, this is the place I call home, this
is the thing I want to do.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Totally wimped out.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Was a disc race on that debate stage where he
spent more time pressing hawks at on the animals shelter
than where he was during the riots, even when Phil Sanchez,
the moderator from which TV teed it up for him, like, dude,
there's the ball, just knock it out of the park.
He wouldn't do it, spent fifteen sixteen million dollars, and
then as soon as he loses the mayor's race, starts

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running from the United States Congress and buys that seat
based on his ability to flood the Indianapolis airwaves because
part of his district was Indianapolis and win the seat.
You tell me how howeving two or three or more
of those people in Washington is gonna make anybody's life
any better and is more importantly, gonna make anybody's representation
any better.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Nobody can answer that question.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Yeah, So, splitting Indianapolis into four districts now, three of
which stretch all the way to other states, that is
going to cost a lot of money. There's going to
be a lot of television buys and media buys in
this market. Now, so let's talk about the Senate Elections Committee.
Right on the committee, you have three Republicans. Who's two
Republicans who oppose it, three Republicans who are undecided, and

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two Democrats who oppose it.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Okay, So let's the way the math works on this.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
You got to get a majority in the.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Committee to get it out, and then it would go
to the full Senate to vote. So there are times,
and I think you may see this here where there
will be people who will vote.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
This is very bizarre to me, but this is the
way they do it. They will vote.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Something out of committee and then vote for it in
front of the full floor to say, I think this
warrants a full debate in front of the Indiana Senate.
I am opposed to this, but I respect my fellow
senator's right to have a say on this. So I
will be announcing that I'm going to move this forward,
but oppose it. So just because something makes it out
of the committee, which that hearing again is today, I'm going,

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by the way.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yes, that's why I'm wearing. I'm wearing clothes that fit.
You look really nice, thank you. Yes, you haven't seen
me from the waist down.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Do you have your speech ready? Are you prepared?

Speaker 1 (04:58):
I do, and so later if it pleases the court,
I'll actually read what I'm going to say to these
esteemed members of the Indiana Senate when I get up
there and I'm ignored in the order in which I'm.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Receiving, Yes, I would like to hear it.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Okay, well, we'll do that we'll do that later. Okay,
but that's what's going on today. I think, what is it,
twelve thirty one thirty? I can't remember what time the
hearing is, but as soon as I get done here,
I'll it's goodoodle on over and hey, if you're a
person who hates my guts and says awful horrible things
about me on the internet, I'll be over at the
state House today, as long as you do it in
a peaceful, law abiding manner. There's a lot of billy

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badasses on the internet, Casey, who when they have an
opportunity to do it to my face, I won't say anything.
So if or you're a lawmaker who said heinous horrible
things about me, now's your opportunity.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Ro Keetah, come on and say it to my face.
I'll be right at your house, coming up here in
a couple hours.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
All right, you're listening to Kendall and Casey. It is
ninety three WYBC.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Okay, Now we can totally just put it out there
that sports is completely rigged.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
And what I mean now.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Look, people are outraged over this big, this college football
playoff selection thing, and they've totally got a case and
I'm not just saying this as a Notre Dame homer,
which I freely admit, right, but the idea that I
mean just it was complete chaos with the college football
selection playoff selection yesterday soon Most people are hearing our
voice know this, but for those you don't. Last year

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meeting last year, they went from a four team many
playoff to decide the national champion to this college football playoff.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Where there are twelve teams involved.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
The four top teams get a bye, and then the
remaining eight play and then they played play down in
a mini you know, like the basketball tournament style thing
did crown and national champion last year was Ohio State
and Notre Dame in the national championship. And each week
for the last five weeks, they've been telling you who
is in based on their criteria that they've set right,

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and they would alter it based on who wins or
who loses, And every single week Notre Dame has been
in the top ten. Now keep in mind, for some
unknown reason, they've admitted this is a television product and
that it's all about money. They admitted that last year,
but yet they have these two. The eligibility for these
two goober schools in this case, Tulane and James Madison. Look,

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I'm sorry if you went to either one of those schools.
I'm sure they're fine academic institutions.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Nobody cares.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Nine people will be watching because they're in it and
they're gonna get smoked by these legitimate teams. But for
some reason they felt compelled that we got to have
five conference champions in the ACC. Is so deplorable this year,
which will come back to that in a second. That
Duke who was seven and five won the ACC and
they're like, eh, we're not letting them in. So you've

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got James Madison, Tulane in and for the entire time
because they had to save these two spots for two
undeserving teams because I knewy were going to get in.
So it's basically the top ten teams were the deserving
people to get in. Notre Dame was ahead of Alabama
and Miami, and then the very last week, for some
unknown reason, they were like, uh, oh, well, Alabama beat Auburn,

(08:15):
who has a losing record in the Iron Bowls, so
we're gonna flip them ahead of Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Okay, now, Notre Dame's in.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
At ten still bizarre that you beat a team with
a losing record and you moved ahead.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Then Miami, who was the outside team looking in, also
didn't play this week like Notre Dame. So Miami did
nothing to better their lot in life. Notre Dame did
nothing to better their lot in life. And for some reason,
despite Alabama losing by nine gajillion points in the SEC
Championship for their third loss.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
And Notre Dame not playing and Miami not playing.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Somehow Miami, magically, because the ACC had no representation in
there whatsoever, and the ACC has a voice in this,
jumped into the tournament and Alabama, despite getting crushed for
their third loss, stayed exactly where they were and Notre
Dame is out of the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, so what the game against Miami didn't matter at
all for five weeks until suddenly it mattered extremely Oh.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
So this is so Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
So basically what went down here is because the ACC
has a voice in this, the Atlantic Coast Conference, they said, well,
we're not going to be iced out, We're not going
to have a team in this, and the other people
because all these conferences are in cahoots together and Notre
Dame is an independent team, they're not in a conference.
They said, yeah, that's right, We're not gonna let the
ACC not have any representation. So, as you said, Casey,

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for five weeks, they're like, Notre Dame is better than Miami.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
They went into.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Great detail about why Notre Dame was better than Miami.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Neither didn't matter for five weeks until all of a
sudden it did on selection.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, and they're like, oh, okay, just go and let.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
On, Well, we got to compare that head to head
matchup back in August.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
And look, there are people who had nothing to do
with Notre Dame, high profile people who are just outraged
over this. They said, this thing is a complete I mean,
you're gonna have these two goober schools who would get
beat by a minimum of two touchdowns by any team
that is deservingly in are gonna play. Nobody's gonna watch
those games because everybody knows what's gonna happen. And you

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kicked a team out who had been in the entire time,
and all they did was beat teams by double digits
throughout that whole process and didn't play like people are
look at this going it's a joke. It's all rigged.
I'm not watching. I bet the I bet the numbers. Now, look,
when you get down to whatever the national championship game is, well,
you know, if it's IU, it's Ohio State, you know whoever. Right,
they may do a decent number on that, but the

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rest of these numbers they're going to be abysmal because
everybody's saying it's rigged. And this is why people do
the like with the you know, the other sports. With
the Raiders game the other day where there's this horrible
caul at the end of the game that allows the
Raiders to go down to kick a meaningless field goal.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
The spread seven and a half. Oh I got them
to seven.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
This is what feeds the narrative of sports is rigged
and people aren't gonna watch it.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
So Notre Dame built their entire program being independent, and
many people are saying that this is ESPN trying to
force them to join a conference.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, it's not gonna happen. Gang, it's not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
You know what Notre Dame is gonna do.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
They're gonna go sleep on that pile of cash they
get from their national television deal and go, yeah, we're fine.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
You're talking about the fifty million dollars per year that
Notre Dame gets with that NBC deal, and not all.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Their games are on NBC, by the way, so there's
a lot of other money flowing in that is that's
just the whatever half the games are on NBC or
something like that.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Plus they've got money from their acc partnership payments. So
you're talking about sixty seven million dollars annually. Notre Dame
one of the biggest TV draws in college football. They
were the sixth most watched team, averaging four point two
million viewers per game. NBC averages five point one million
viewers for Notre Dame home games, and the Notre Dame

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Ohio State game was NBC's biggest college audience in thirty years.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Okay, so.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Notre Dame then said, because what they wanted them to
do is BYU, who is the Notre Dame is the
last team out, then BYU, who's the other the second
team out. They wanted them to play in that Pop
Tart Bowl, which has kind of become their big non
championship game, and Notre Dame said, ah, yeah, done, We're
going home.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Nice try ESPN.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
So Marcus Freeman, he was talking about the disadvantages of
Notre Dame being an independent school, and he said, Hey,
that's what we're built on, and the only way we
would join a conference is because of this.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
Well, I think if you talk about being at a
disadvantage to make the postseason, yeah, right, because you're not
in the playoffs. Or or if it comes a time
where teams won't schedule you, right because the Big Ten
or the SEC or saying we're going to play nine
games and we'll play a crossover game, and who cares
about Notre Dame, Well, then I think there's going to
be a point where we may be forced to join

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a conference. But until that point happens, which it doesn't
look likely, we're gonna stay independent as long as we can't.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Look, if you're a sponsor of this NCAA playoff, you
are outraged right now because they gave you Tu Lane
and James Madison and they left Notre Dame sitting on
the sidelines. Look, it's all money, right, money talks in
this college sports. It's all about money now. It's just
a glorified mini pro product. And if you're a person

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who pays millions of dollars every year to sponsor this thing.
And you're gonna see those TV ratings. You're going, what
do we do? What are you doing here? Notre Dame.
Part of what makes Notre Dame special is they are
sort of the last in a society where everything goes away,
in a society where everything changes. And I'm not just

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talking about sports. I'm talking about like, look look here
in our state where great beautiful farmland is being gobbled
up for the newest, biggest, brightest development. Right the data centers,
you know, the warehouses, right, everything goes away, nothing special anymore,
everything has a price.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Notre Dame is the one.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Thing left in athletics, and that independence because of the
teams they're able to play that go back generations to Navy, USC, Stanford, Pitt,
all of these teams that they have played literally I
mean throughout lives of not just yourself, but your your father,
your grandfather.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
That's special. That still matters.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
And kudos to Notre Dame because if they joined a conference,
a lot of people would walk away from Notre Dame
because they just be in.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
They'd just be another team.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Right now, they're the New York Yankees, the Dallas Cowboys,
the Boston Celtics. They are that of college football. So
good on those guys for saying we're doing what we're
doing and we're not changing.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
Well.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
One thing for sure is it dominated the news cycle yesterday.
But many people are wondering, why aren't we talking about this.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Here's the staff field and kicks the ball. It is
wid it is what.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
The load.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
I will take over the football and they have a
leader at thirteen. You cost me a lot of money
this weekend. I hope you were proud of yourself. We
blew it on that game.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
I'm going to be able to make the mortgage payment.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
That was one of those bets where it was like
I was okay losing because I you won, Well.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Speak for yourself. You didn't have any money writing.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
On the time I was spending your money, Wasn't I okay?

Speaker 1 (15:26):
So when we come back, you obviously a huge weekend
for them. You Now, people don't know about this about Casey.
She has mentored many people who have gone on to
very fabulous things in the media and professional world.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
She's tried very hard with me, but that is not
her fault.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
She's done everything she possibly could One of those people
is Jeremy Gray. He is the associate athletic director at IU,
and he's going to join us next to talk about
what an amazing weekend.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Right the big win. You're listening to Kendall and Casey.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
It is ninety three wy In case you may.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Have heard, there was a football game over the weekend. Well,
there were a.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
Couple of football games over the weekend, but I imagine
you're talking about one in particular.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yes, Indiana course winning the Big Ten championship in the
first time they've defeated Ohio State since nineteen eighty eight.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
They're the number one team in the entire country.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
I know a lot of people are very excited about this.
And you know what, we got a guy. Oh, let's
go straight to the top.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
At IU, we have the associate athletic director on the line.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
His name is Jeremy Gray. Good morning, Jeremy, good.

Speaker 6 (16:41):
Morning, Good morning. I mean, just as you guys predicted
in August that Indiana would go thirteen to zero and
you know, beat Oregon on the road, Ohio State and
probably have the Heisman Trophy winner.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
And I think it's all due to.

Speaker 6 (16:52):
Middle management.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Taking full credit, are you, Yes?

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yes, what does an associate athletic Did my.

Speaker 6 (17:02):
Mother in law put you up to this? No, So
each associate athletic director has areas of responsibility in the department.
So I have marketing, media relations, the Mark Cuban Center,
which is our fancy way of saying, photo, videographic design, broadcasting, digital,
social media. So those are my areas of responsibility.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Jeremy, I wanted to ask you, how does you plan
to leverage this championship to boost recruiting across all sports?

Speaker 6 (17:28):
Now, you know, it's been interesting at our home football games.
We've got a legendary swimming and diving program, which is
a program that I actually oversee, and for years they
never brought swimmers to our football games because they did
not want athletes that found that appealing. Now, on the
sidelines before games, it's absolutely packed with prospective student athletes

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for all of these sports because of the atmosphere. How
it's changed things and there is something about football that
is kind of a leader of perception and we're now,
I think, kind of a cool school. We've had kind
of an image makeover similar to what Oregon experienced about
twenty years ago, where a lot of athletes and a
lot of different sports find I You appealing, and frankly,

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the social media engagement that they have when they make
their official visits here taking pictures of themselves in the crowd.
It's been golden.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Jeremy Grady, the associate athletic director at I You, is
our guest. Okay, So can you talk about because Signetti
gets this big new contract right and everybody's like he's
totally worth it, can you talk about from a financial
perspective what it means when IU wins the Big Ten
is getting a buy in the college football playoffs, going
to play in Round two. Economically, what does that do

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to the athletic program.

Speaker 6 (18:46):
So we've actually done an economic case study on this,
and every time that your team is participating in College
Game Day on ESPN, for instance, that's three million dollars
worth of unpaid advertising.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Since Kurty Conetty has.

Speaker 6 (19:02):
Taken over as head coach, we've been on Big nowon
Kickoff three times and ESPN College Game Day three times.
So I don't know, I'm gonna use my old public
school math here. That's eighteen million dollars of unpaid advertising
alone just from doing that the year prior to his arrival,
and this is no shot at the Big ten network.
I actually used to work for them. We were on

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the Big ten network nine times in two thousand and
twenty three. This year we were on the Big ten
network twice, which is a conference mandate. All of our
games have been on Fox, CBS or NBC, So just
an unpaid advertising on the media, it's paid for itself

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you multi times over. We've set every concessions record. We
had five straight sellouts to close out the year. Donations
are up. I believe applications to IU are up over
fifteen percent now as well. Wow, it really has changed
the game here in so many ways.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
How do you think now?

Speaker 4 (20:02):
A lot of people are saying this is in part
because of the new NIL open portal that happened recently.
How do you think that that's going to influence your
NIL strategy going forward?

Speaker 6 (20:15):
Well, One, it makes perspective business owners or business owners
that would be perspective people to pay an IL to
student athletes more likely to do so because we have
you know, athletes using worth using as sponsors for their
businesses or services. So I think it's going up that way.

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In the transfer portal. This is really Kurt Signetti's secret sauce.
He is the best talent evaluator, in my opinion, in
all of college football. He can look at somebody who's
playing for a small college, a mid major, maybe a
backup for a high major program, see potential in them,
and he is able to find He's like the guy
who shops at, you know, the vintage store and finds,

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you know, like like the diamond in the rough. So
he's able to do that, and he's done a great job.
And now the type of athlete that is looking at
Indiana as a landing spot has changed in two years too.
There are high major starters who'd like to come to Indiana.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Jeremy Grady, the associate athletic director at I. You is
our guest, So can you talk about Obviously I'm a
Hoosier lifer. Growing up, it was all IU basketball, right, Oh,
we have a football team. That's interesting, Right? Everything was
IU basketball. Can you talk about sort of the vibe
on campus, like, because obviously the IU basketball team has
had its fair share of struggles and not sort of

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met the expectations that many people have.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Is are you becoming a football school?

Speaker 6 (21:41):
Well, you know, it's interesting. You said so we had
the bi centennial in twenty twenty, and obviously that got
knocked all over the place because of the pandemic. But
through all these big plans and they talked about what
was going to happen the homecoming week of the Bisonennial,
and they had you know, guest speakers, concerts, all that
kind of stuff. They didn't even mention the game. They
didn't mention the homecoming game for homecoming week. It was

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that much of an afterthought. On orientation visits, sometimes they
would make fun of the football program. The city was
largely not that helpful as you know, as it relates
to to to hotel prices and things like that. It
was it was just not a football community at all.
Now you come to IU and it's completely transformed that way,

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where all the city storefronts have our mascot painted on
it or beat Beat such and such. They've changed the marquees,
uh you know, of local businesses to you know, beat
Ohio State. The city is now starting to change the
way they operate. There are no more youth soccer games
on Indiana home football weekends, you know, so they have

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really reoriented it. Football is a centerpiece of the school's
advertising strategy. It's it's it's a major part of orientation,
and really it is a focus on campus. It has
become a football school.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Do you think that this moment ranks among milestones during
your tenure?

Speaker 6 (23:05):
Well, I mean we've had some, We've had some great
moments since I started working here, and you and I
have known each other for a long long time. I mean,
this would have to be number one. And I'm gonna
be honest. Maybe I was part of the problem. I
didn't think, especially when they went to the conference championship
game model and we expanded the league and added all
of these other great football programs, that Indiana's chances of

(23:25):
ever winning a Big ten championship in football had passed.
And for this guy to do this in year number
two is just insane. I mean, I don't really have
a great explanation for it, and I work here.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
You've got one more big game though coming up. Thoughts
on the championship game, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:45):
I mean going to the Rose Bowl. That's going to
be My wife is very excited that we get to
go there. You know, after Christmas, I think IU alums
are going to flood that area. There's a huge intentionent
of IU, people in southern California. I think it's going
to be magical. It's just surreal to say that Indiana
would be a favorite against either Alabama or Oklahoma in

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a bowl game. But it's twenty twenty five, baby, so
we're really excited. And I do think that Indiana is
one of those teams that's got a chance to go
all the way.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
And Jeremy, we'll get you in here with this.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
We can all agree that should have been Oklahoma and
Notre Dame because then we could have had Notre Dame
and IU in the Rose Bull.

Speaker 6 (24:24):
You know what, And Casey knows my background that way,
it would have been great for Indiana to play Notre
Dame again. I think it would have been special for
the state, people in this people in this area, and frankly,
I think it's the one hump Indiana has not gotten over,
you know, historically, and so a chance to play Notre
Dame would have been special. I do think Notre Dame

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was one of the twelve best teams and should be
in the playoff, but that's not for me to decide.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
I knew I liked him. Jeremy Gray, Thank you, Hey,
thank you guys.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
You're listening to Kennilly Casey. It's ninety three WYBC.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
So you told me something during the break, and I got,
i know, just.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
So interested to learn more.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Well, we talked a lot about our health insurance during
the break. There had to have been something else.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Well you said that, and we'll get into that a
little bit later too, because wow, is that industry just
a mess and it's just hurting so many people.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
You said, cassette tapes for making a comeback.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, they are.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
US sales have grown two hundred and four percent just
in the first quarter of this year.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Now you're talking about the when I was a kid
in your car. You know, some cars in the eighties
and early nineties had CD players, but most automobiles had.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
The cassette tape.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
You'd buy your favorite album and you would put it
in and it would play, and you could actually rewind
it and it would you know, that sort of cassette tape.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Yeah, why that sort of one. It's a mixture of things.
Some of it is because it's intentional. It's like a
hands on experience. Like you mentioned, you have to actually
rewind or fast forward. Some of it has to do
with retro appeal. And nostalgia. It's got a little bit
of charm to it.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Look people want to look cool, okay.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
And there's also it's tangible.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
You can touch it and feel it and hold it,
so I'm like streaming.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
I remember specifically in this must have been the late nineties,
early two thousand the actus I drove myself, so it
had to probably be early two thousands going to the
old Karma Records on thirty eighth Street and they.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Still had cassette tapes.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
But I bet you haven't seen people actively selling cassette
tapes and then you know in a junk bins as
new I can remember buying Boston's debut album on cassette
at Karma Records on thirty eighth Street in the early
two thousands, but it has to have been twenty twenty
years or more since anybody has actively carried cassette tapes.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
In their stores.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
So now you've got artists like Taylor Swift and Billie
Eilish and Lady Gaga and the Weekend they're all releasing
their music on cassette editions. keV to go with their
albums that they're putting out too.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
You're the really eclectic member of this group. You're also
the musician. You actively seek out things on vinyl, correct.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah, I like the records why he wants to drop
the needle, you know.

Speaker 7 (27:28):
I think when you buy something like that, you're committed
to listening to the full album and getting the full experience.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
That's why I like it.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
That's a great point, because we've talked about this. One
of the problems I have with the streaming is I'm
always feeling like there's something better, Like I can't just
sit and watch something because in my mind, well, I'm
missing out.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
On some other documentary that's better.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
I'm wasting my time doing this, and then you just
end up flipping spending thirty minutes flipping through everything, and
then realizing, now I'm just pissed off because I spent
all this time looking for something better instead of watching something.
And you're saying, if you have to commit to it,
this is my thing. I don't have something to press
a button and go to the next thing.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
I'm in on this album, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (28:08):
And you get a good quality experience from that.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
It was interesting.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
When I was visiting my daughter over Thanksgiving, her roommate
had gotten home and brought with her a DVD of
a movie they wanted to watch. Oh, she was very
excited she found the DVD. Yeah, and my daughter had
mentioned to me we used to have thousands of CDs
and she was really bummed that we got rid of
all of them. Yeah, thought, well, yeah, because everything's available

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streaming now. Sure, and she is now growing a CD collection.
We didn't even talk about cassettes. I mean that like
even predates her life.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Remember they had the little binders that you could put
your CDs in. Did you slide them in the little
way so that way you could see them and easily flip,
flip through, flip through them.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
And you carry that big binder around with you everywhere.
You had it in your car now the passenger seat.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Now.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
The tape is interesting though, because keV backed me up
on this. A lot of people like the vinyl because
they say the sound is better.

Speaker 7 (29:05):
Yeah, that's what they say. That there's things that you
can pick up on in the mix. Yeah're clear, I
guess when you listen to it on vinyl.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
But having played many a cassette tape, the sound is crap.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yeah, yeah it is. There's a nice hissy.

Speaker 7 (29:20):
I don't think the packaging is as cool too, because
that's the other thing with the vinyl is the packaging
and the liner notes, yeah and all that.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, you're right, because with a with a record, it's
a big thing. So you can see all the things
laid out, the album art. Like cassette, it's so it's condensed, right,
it's a little bitty You're not you're not getting any
of that.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
How how often do you you used to record your
favorite radio station that is a cassette.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
That is a great question.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
That is absolutely something that I used to do because
if you had little Rob Kendall that So there was
a radio station in Brownsburg, the first one I ended
up working at. It was an oldies station at the time,
and they were very pleased that anyone would call them
for anything. So if you called and asked them to
play something, they would usually play it in a somewhat

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timely fashion. And so if you if you recorded properly,
you get enough of the songs you wanted that you
didn't have to go out and actually buy the album.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
You absolutely could, right, right, So.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
A lot of people, yeah, it's it's a retro thing, right, nostalgia.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
It also speaks to the power that we have put
on these influencers or whatever, especially in a social media
era like it used to be.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
People at power.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
They were influential you saw on the big screen, but
they couldn't come out and just make a blanket statement.
They had to have the buy in of their industry,
record executives, whatever in order to do something. Now, someone
like a Taylor Swift can just issue some sort of
statement and nine million pissed off women mad at their
boyfriends or husbands just go do whatever she says.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
And so you're right.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
She can say, hey, cassettes are cool, and for no
rhyme or reason.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Whatsoever, everybody falls in line right there.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
I mean, there's zero reason a cassette should come back, because,
like keV said, hey, there is validity to the album,
the idea of the nostalgia feel, the idea of the artwork,
the sound is is better if you're really into it.
None of that is true with the cassette tape. Nope,
none of it's true with the Taylor Swift.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
You know, she's got her new music out the Life
of a Showgirl.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
I did not know that, well, you said, you know,
as though I followed Taylor Swift. Is this one also
about how much men have ruined her existence.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
I don't know what it's about it.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
This is also about how nothing is her fault.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
But she released eighteen different physical versions, including cassette Oh
eighteen Different.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Ways Someone Likes Money.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
It is Kendall and Casey. It's ninety three widc