685. Dean Alioto

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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hello, this is Martin Willis our host, and welcome back
to our new old time slot. This is a time
slot where we always ran the Everything Else show, and
we still will be running those on occasion at this time.
So that's every excuse me, that's every Thursday. We are

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going to be doing a show here at eight o'clock.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Now.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Last show a couple of days ago on Tuesday, when
I had Doctor Rogers on from NASA. I ask people
out there if they please reply to me if this
is too much content. You know, two shows a week,
and overwhelmingly everyone says they love it so and if
you don't like it, you missed your chance because other

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people say they want it. And I'm going to continue
on until enough of you gang up on me and
say stop. So anyway, I'm really excited to have Gene Alioto.
He's a really good friend of mine. We became friends
over the last number of years we've known each other,
and we have a lot of fun together. He's going
to be talking about his new film, which was just
released on Amazon. We're going to be talking about other

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things too, but that as well. And before I bring
him in, I'm going to play the trailer just a
couple of other things here. I will be at the
Exeter UFO Incident Conference this year. I'll be a speaker
there and also up in shag Harbor. I think it's
going to be my third or fourth year in a row.

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I'm going to be empcing up there, and hope to
be doing a lot of other things next, you know,
toward the end of the year and next year, hope
to be down at the Ozark. Definitely going to Contact
in the Desert again. I wouldn't miss that after going
it was so much fun. So anyway, Oh, the people
in the chat, thank you all for being here. Tom

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King from the Phoenix Likes, thank you so much for
being here. Good to have you in here. And Jay
Kirshneman and Stargazer, Valiant Loki and Duckhead, thank you all
for being here in chat and thanks for your great
questions as always as well. And hopefully this time slot
will work for a lot more people than the Friday

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at six pm did. However, if you're catching this Friday
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you can listen over at KGr A Radio at the
usual time slot six pm. So, without further ado, the great,
one and only, the Founder of Found Film Movies, Diana Alioto.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Hello, Hello, nice to be Do you like Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:11):
How do you like that title? The founder of Found Film.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
It's a ton twister. It's what you do before you
start singing barbershop quartet to warm up. Yeah, I don't
know about this. Two times a week? Man? Is that
too much? Are you pushing it?

Speaker 1 (03:26):
It is? I am, yeah, yeah, it's uh, you know,
it's it's extra work.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
You know.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
What happened was, you know, I went to Contact in
the desert and I recorded a bunch of great interviews.
I said, what am I going to do with these?
And then I said, well, I'll run them, you know, uh,
And then people like that that I ran it, you know,
two times a week, and so I kind of committed
to doing this, and you know, I'm scheduled right through
the end of September for both days per week, and

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we have some great guests coming up.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Well, I remember that during COVID you had tons of
requests to do it like every day people.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Really like that's right. They wanted a place to.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Scrape reassurance, knowing that UFOs are still out there even
though you know the pandemic and yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, that's right, the UFOs there, they started it. Maybe
I don't know, I try to start a conspiracy here,
So you know what, I think, I should play your
trailer to your film and then we'll chat a bit
about that and a couple of other things. There's something
we're going to speculate on a little later on that
has to do with Bryce's Abel and Ross's cold Heart. Okay,

(04:33):
but for now, let's bring this in and get it
going and hang on.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Just a moment.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Vatican has been studying extraterrestrials for a long time. There
are usually a few reasons why non human intelligence would
want to interact with human intelligence.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
They may be just as curious as we would be
about them. They may just be the ultimate intellectual that
they are so curious about who we are that they
may even tamper with where we're going.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
People are calling this reception of information from non human
intelligence today a download.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Maybe eventually we're going to need to upgrade our minds regularly.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
In order to keep up with the pace of technology.
Alien scientists have the same commitment coming here and studying
the antil. That is, US.

Speaker 6 (05:39):
Americans would never be in an asometric war unless we're
invaded by aliens.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
We need to think about that. Why are they coming here?

Speaker 6 (06:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:02):
I was contacted to take a look at the material
and try to see what I can tell about the
origin of the sample. I think it's going to be
shocking for a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Wow, where are we?

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Oh sorry, I was I did that?

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, heng on, just a second.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Here are you listening?

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Are you hearing something in the background.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I'm not what are you hearing?

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Okay, I'm just trying to get rid of things?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Maybe that's my heart. Do we go? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, here we go?

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Okay, Okay, sorry about that. So, yeah, my my, I
I'm up what they call ludite. I guess I'm a
little technical, technically challenged. So I had some other video
was going off that followed after yours. But I'm glad
you didn't hear it. But thanks so much. That's an
awesome trailer. I got to see the screen here, the

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screening you had out of contact that the desert.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
It was really great.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
And the most important thing is there's a guy that
made his film debut, that Martin Willis. He was he
was there in the film. That's right about three and
a half seconds.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
I think it was it was.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
About two seconds too long, but you know, somehow the
long director's cut got in there. But yeah, yeah, no,
you drop a really nice line like it was a
perfect It was a big moment was leading up to you.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
I think it just happened to work in that little yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
But anyway, No, no, it was.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
That was a great film, and I was I was
surprised at the amount of people that were watching that
and then just loved it, you know.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
And that was a big crowd.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
And I dare say, James, I hope you're not listening,
but I dare say that you had a bigger crowd
than James Fox screening.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah. I don't want to get into a tit for
tat with mister Fox, but I think the official count
was no. I mean it's uh. I judge any screening
by if people come up to you afterwards. And I
had people plenty come up and say, Hey, where do
I see this? Or I want to refer to a

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from where do I see it, and I'm like, hey,
do you have Apple TV? And they're like no, and
I'm like, okay, so it's all about Amazon's we got
to get it on Amazon. And they're like, yeah, well
here's a little bit of news that we're dropping tonight Amazon.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
I don't have a drum roll thing, but anyway, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Amazon has decided to curate out the bulk of their
UFO and alien content and some paranormal as well. I'm
not sure why that is the case. Maybe it's because
a whole bunch of people are just using AI and
kicking out these documentaries once a month or twice a month,

(09:11):
and so there's too much, and so they they don't
want anything that has to do with aliens on the artwork,
in the artwork or in the title. So if you're
on Apple TV, you can see the Alien Perspective Part two,
which is the trailer we just shown showed. However, for
Amazon friendly folks like myself, it is Life Beyond Earth,

(09:35):
so we had to change a title and had to
change the artwork. It's ridiculous. But if you go to
Alien Perspectivemovie dot com Alien Perspective Movie, there's links that
go directly there, So that cuts it all out. But
just know that that life beyond Earth, the trailer you're
just shown again is the follow up to the Alien Perspective.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Right, and let's see. I'll just so that'll that'll be down.
I do believe it's in the text and show notes.
And so you I've known you for all these years,
and you worked hard. You worked for quite a while
in that particular film. How long did it you know?
I mean, what was that? Two or three years on
that something like that?

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Keep going? Four years, keep going?

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Was it really?

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Was it really longer? Wow?

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Seven seven years? Like that? Seven years, seven years in Tibet,
but I was seven years in the rabbit hole.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
I had a little bit of humorous about it because
I'd done one and two hour specials for cable and
TV before, and I thought, oh, well, oh there you go.
I thought, well, no problem, I'm going to bang out
this this documentary in nine months and I'll do fifteen
interviews and I'll be and I'll be done. But I
care too much about the phenomenon. And the problem with

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that is that it starts to control you almost literally,
where you start to say, all right, well, I went
to NASA I didn't get the answers that I needed.
That's weird. And now I'll go to Cornell University and
I'll go to the Carl Sagan the person who's the
new director of the Carl Sagan Institute, and then that
person has some of the answers, and then you go somewhere.
So anyway, it went on four countries, sixty seven plus interviews,

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and it changed a few times. At one point it
was going to Netflix was going to purchase the project
after they saw the first one, but they wanted to
get into episode two and three before I'd finished it.
And then I said, hey, can I just finish it
and then we can take a look and see where
we want to go with it, and they're very impatient,

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and so we ended up finishing it on our own.
And I have to say that that one documentary became four.
So we have the first one that dropped in January,
which is Alien Perspective, then there's Life Beyond Earth, and
then after that there is The Experiencers, and that is Yeah,
I'm aspiring to make what I hope will be close

(12:06):
to the definitive movie on the Experiencers, and that's got
a lot of great great interviews and stuff, and that'll
be coming maybe by the end of the year before
and then I'm doing another one on a very famous
Harvard professor that I'll tell you about later.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
I think we can probably figure out who that might be.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, here's a question. Now, I can't have you on
without people talking about the McPherson film. I mean, I
kind of was joking about it in the beginning, or
the founder of the found footage. But anyway, you know,
we can get into that late, you know, late in
the show again for the person who's never heard about it.
But here's a question here for you and I do

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you think there is some undiscovered real footage out there?
I would say absolutely myself. What are your thoughts, Dean?

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, Well, it's interesting because I'm I'm going to be
speaking at Phenomicon and I've got to give a lecture.
They didn't tell me I was going to do a lecture.
I just thought I was showing my two movies. But
then I saw on the schedule that I'm giving a lecture,
so I guess I'm giving a lecture. So it's actually
good because it's a whole bunch of things that I

(13:18):
wanted to put in to the documentaries that I had
for brevity had to pull out that I thought were
equally interesting, and so I'll probably talk about that. And
one of the things I'm going to talk about is
the government and they're control of footage, which you know,
they have insane, insane beautiful footage, clear as day, And

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some of the reasons that I've been hearing is that
it's because they don't want people to look at this
and somehow figured out how to reverse engineer what they're seeing,
like the adversaries are going to do that. And I'm
kind of like, let's see if I went back in
time to say the eighteen hundreds, and I pulled out

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and I watch, and I'm saying, check this out. I
can get the temperature, I can get this and that,
and what the weather's going to be, the whole deal.
What time it is. Do you think by looking at
my watch, even up close, they would figure out all
the circuits, the chips and everything that goes in it. No,
so's it's I'm going to stamp that lay mass excuse.

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So yeah, there is I'm sure phenomenal clear footage that's
out there, and so I just don't know when we're
going to see that. But you know, plenty of people
have seen it and they've seen it go over their head.
I mean they've seen it clear as day, and.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
So well, you know, I don't know if you caught
my show the other day two days ago with doctor
Gregory Rogers from NASA. He's a flight surgeon there, and
he saw a video of something that looked like something
that had to be reverse engineered somehow, that was doing
all these spectacular things that you know, a normal craft

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of any kind that we know of, could not do.
But anyway, so I understand what you're saying about the watch.
I've heard that analogy with the iPhone the watch, and
you know, bring it back to the Stone Ages. What
would they look at you know, what would they think
or back you know, one hundred years ago. I don't know,
you know, I think of that this technology could be

(15:21):
just so way over our head. But perhaps they have
worked on it long enough to be able to figure
things out. I don't know, you know, if they had
this craft that was doing the things, these things that
doctor Rogers saw, if they had that for like thirty years,
maybe they could you know, have breakthroughs. And they certainly

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would be trying, I would think, but yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
You're not going to get that from footage. You're going
to get it from a craft crashing maybe or landing
or you know, getting their hands on it. But the
evidence that I keep looking for is, you know, we
have a tendency anytime that we come up with any
new technology, we weaponize it. And no one exactly adversary

(16:10):
or our allies that they've seen a craft with a
couple you know, missiles duct taped you know, to it
that were yeah, worn free and dropped on on anyone
or any you know country. So that's kind of a
good sign.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
But yeah, and it's like, you know, people speculate, like
I think, you know, we could actually go right into
this for a few minutes of Ross coltheart and and
Bryce Stable because I had the okay from Bryce's just
an hour ago. A half hour ago, he said, speculate

(16:49):
all you want, here's my video and here's he kind
of showed me broadly vaguely what might be happening. It
might they might have had It's possible Ross then Bryce
might have had a little tiff, and it's possible I
might have had something to do with the tic TAC.
But here's the thing. I just want to elaborate on
what you just said. Anything we find, any breakthrough refine

(17:12):
we find as human species, not necessarily just America. But
it's a weaponizing thought, you know, Like the very first
thing that happened when they split the atom, the thought was, Okay,
weaponize it. This is going to have a great amount
of energy. It's going to be a bomb, you know.
I mean that's the first thing they think of. So

(17:32):
if the tic TAC was flying around in two thousand
and four, like supposedly it was, why isn't that weaponize
you know, I mean, if we had that, if we
had that technology, I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Well, we did drop the bomb. So we split the atom,
we went wow, okay, and we did it, and we
did it twice in Japan, and then we created the
hydrogen bomb, which was the mother of all doomsday devices.
So it yeah, it it is. I don't know, it's
it's always equate this to like movies or plays. If

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you show the gun in the first act, you got
to use in a third and so we've not used this,
thank god. But you know, that opens up a whole
can of worms. You know, if we do have it?
What are we doing? And the thing that I kind
of bump against when it comes to the two theories

(18:31):
on this, and I'm always agnostic, you know me, I'm like,
all right, everything's on the table, is uh? Or on
the plate? Is that if we have these these crafts
that are you know, flying around and are doing these things,
would we really break it out and and do dog
fighting simulated dog fighting with top gun, you know, with

(18:55):
a top gun commander? What would be the purpose of that?
When when if we wanted to test do we would
just grab someone who's been read into the program and say,
go at it, have at it? Because that's what Fraver
was doing that whole excursion that day was to do
you know, simulated fights training and for the other pilots,

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And so why wouldn't we do that? Why would it
have to be something that's kept you know quiet? And
then also if there's this other craft which plays into
the narrative here that was submerged, that was under how
does that factor in? So there's a whole bunch of
variables and the thing that that I always wonder and
again I don't, I don't know, I haven't, I haven't

(19:40):
talked and talked to us, spoke with Bryce Yett, excuse me,
with them, with with Ross yet about this, and I'm
really keen to do that, but my my feeling is
that I'm having trouble making that that leap as to
why they would would do this big song and dance

(20:02):
with these jet fighters and they would do all these
things pop here, disappear and pop over here. I need
to understand why, what the whole purpose of that was,
because in doing that, this is going to get reported.
Whether it lies buried for a while, at some point,
it's going to get reported. So it's really letting the
genie out of the bottle. So there's a few things

(20:23):
that I need to understand what the reasons were motivation wise.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Right, And you know, I mean one of the things
that comes to mind when I I brought up that
topic to Kevin Day about a year ago or so,
that what if it was you know, our military, that
what if it was our government running test? And then
he got really angry about it, and he said that

(20:48):
would be you know, then I have a lossuit. You know,
he was like thinking that if they did that without
letting us know and put us in danger, you know
it would have it just it just would be impossible.
He couldn't fathom that they would do it.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, I've got Travis Walton in The Experiencer's documentary and
he said to me, and it's in the movie, he said,
you know, everyone's coming up to me constantly and telling
me that they have it all figured out and they
know what it is. Yeah. Right, yeah, he says, I'm
quoting him. He says, I don't think we do. And
he says, and that's on purpose. Hm.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Interesting, Yeah, that's quite a statement. Yeah, all right, I'm
going to play this clip from Bryce right right.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
This spinet here.

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Speaker 1 (22:04):
Still all need to know mysterious yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
I mean I did see the footage where Ross dropped
the bomb on on Bryce, on his co host, where
he told him, you know, I have from authority that
they're you know, from good authority or you know, it's
contacts that that this is coming from from us. And
I just remember Bryce going like this. He had his
glasses out and it was it was a statement with

(22:37):
the glasses and and maybe you can read everything into that,
but Bryce has been at this a long time, and
so yeah, whatever your pivots to, he's going to do well.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
So oh yeah, yeah he's very bright. They're both very bright.
But yeah, yeah, but yeah, I know he's going to
do really well. He always, like you said, he always
does said. You know, this podcasting was fairly new for him,
and I was out and I was out visiting with
him at his beautiful home in California, and he asked me,

(23:12):
this was you know, of course two and a half
three years ago, whenever it was. He said, have you
heard of this guy named Ross coltheart? He said, we
may be doing a podcast together, And I said really,
you know, so yeah, they've had a lot of good
success with it, and you know, things change all the time,
so he'll.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Do well, roussill do well. They're all do well.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
And what about I was asked, I was on Dave
Scott's show the other night out and he's out in
you know, Canada, the West coast, and so it was
like middle of the night for me, so it was
hard to remember everything. But he said, he said, what
do you think about all this UFO information being shotgun

(23:54):
at us? All that all of a sudden, like all
this stuff coming at us all at once. And I
do feel that way. I feel like there's you know,
I mean, I I don't know. I'm still working, semi
retired but still working hard, and it's hard for me
to keep up with everything. I have great people like
Jack helps me with a lot of information. He's fairly new.

(24:17):
He's been helping on YouTube and all that. I have
Palmer that helps me out. All these people that send
me things, Brock and of course Donna all send me
these things constantly. But I can't even keep up with
it all. I mean, do you don't you feel like
there's a lot happening?

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah? Well, you know, there's a saying, if it bleeds,
it reads right with regards to crime and all those
stories that are you know, selacious and everything there needs
to be. Someone comes up with a phrase that if
it flies, it glides or something. I don't know, but
it's what is being served up. And so when you

(24:54):
and I got into this, or you know, when when
your audience, when we're all kids, it was always relegated
UFOs always relegated to that, you know, kind of weird, fringe,
nerdy thing. And then when you know two thousand, well, actually,
let's there's there's three things that effected. If I'm going

(25:14):
to chart this out, and I'm just talking out of
my butt, but first you have the fifties. Right when
nineteen forty seven when it's mentioned about flying saucer, which
actually wasn't a saucer looking thing. It was actually more
of a you know whatever. Moving forward, it takes Hollywood
a few years to figure this out, Oh, that's kind
of cool, flying saucers, Martians, that's cool. And then so

(25:36):
Hollywood starts making movies. So in the fifties you get
all these movies about UFOs and flying saucers and aliens
and little green men. Then that kind of goes and comes,
and then you have the seventies and you've got Spielberg
in the eighties again with Spielberg Close Encounters, Third Kind
and et and it brings this you know out again.

(25:57):
And then you've got these great you know, these great
people coming out in the in the eighties and nineties,
from you know, Whitley Strieber to doctor John Mack and
David Jacobs and all these people coming out. So that
has that wave. And then you have that ridiculous show
with Mike Ferrell UFO cover up whatever it was. And

(26:17):
then you got Richard Doughty who was there in disguise,
Yeah whatever, and then two you know, sixteen rolls in,
twenty seventeen rolls in rather and this footage comes out
and something happens for the first time, which is the
Navy comes out, the government, if you will, comes out
and says, yes, these are real. That changes everything, I mean,

(26:41):
from Stephen Colbert to Anderson Cooper to Fox everyone is
going nuts with us, and it becomes something that can
now be portrayed without the theme song from the X Files.
So a whole new generation jumps on board with perfect
timing because we've got the podcasters and the influencers who

(27:04):
are coming up and guess what this is really exciting
for them, and they are already set up to have
a stage of microphone you know, out to influencers, if
you will, or to your audience. And so you know,
you have people like Chris Ramsay who was a magician
and all of a sudden he pivots and he's into
UFOs and he's probably always been in the UFOs, but

(27:26):
now he's got a show and it's doing well everyone else.
So I think that we're getting bombarded because it's a
generational thing that that is spanning these generations. In filmmaking terms,
it's a four quadrant type market where you're getting the older, younger,
you know that the people who like sci fi, who

(27:48):
like documentaries. It's a huge you know, shotgun to the face,
like you said. And so the thing is it continues going,
and then let's throw in some US congressional hearings for
good measure. Yeah, so of course this is you know,
this is going to have a heartbeat for a while,
but there's always these little dips and valleys that you know,

(28:10):
comes and goes and everything. I think that's going to
continue going, but it seems like whenever it starts to wane,
something gets dropped. Another mic drop happens. But right now
I think we're in a stasis situation where I've not
seen anything going beyond these hearings and these second tanned witnesses.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Hmmm, well there was the I want to say. His
name was Matt Brown. How are you familiar with that name?
Who claims that he I may be having this totally wrong,
and forgive me out there if I'm saying the wrong person.
Someone has been claiming to be a first hind witness
that says they want to testify. I don't know if

(28:51):
that's going to happen. I don't know where it's going,
or if it's going at all. Someone wrote me and
they said that there's going to be a hearing in September.
I'm not even familiar with that yet. I haven't really
looked into it. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, you know I have. I have Jim Peniston. He's
in both of these documentaries because there was some information
that was given him Part one and other and the
and the follow up movie and the dream scenario is
I want someone who's an official. I want someone whose
job it is to is to protect, you know, an

(29:26):
air force base, who has a pretty good idea of
discriminating between you know, a Cessna and uh, you know
Boeing seven forty seven are a UFO. And not only
did he see it, he's with two other people. He
went and he, you know, on his own, he touched
this thing and what he got was a download. And

(29:50):
and the reason why Diana Posolka is the host of
the unofficial host, if you will, of Life Beyond Earth
is because she he has specialized in these downloads. And
as we break it down in the movie, they used
to be called the muses. The muses would inspire whether

(30:11):
it was artists or Da Vinci or whatever, to create
these amazing things. And then you have the people who
are involved in the space programs, both Russian and American,
that actually said no, no, no, I got this from extraterrestrials.
And so I feel like, you know, the I don't
know how much more We're going to get from these testimonies.

(30:32):
What I'm looking for, because like you have soul, right
that goes on, it's the conference for basically the of UFOs,
right well, until someone drops and I keep saying this
until someone drops an alien tailpipe on the congressional table.
We've gone as far as we can go, right, what
else is are we going to get? I mean, are

(30:54):
we going to get you know, the remains autopsy of
a bean on, you know, NAGI non human intelligence being.
That would be great, but that's the next level. Other
than that, I don't see that that there's anything new
being added. And maybe I'm I'm you know, missing things nuances,

(31:16):
so feel free to bitch slap me, but I'm not
saying it.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Well, uh, that's really a good point. And you know
what I mean. I remember when David Gorsh came out.
I got a call from someone and they said, well,
where's the nuts and bolts, where's the receipts? You know,
that's what we need. We don't need, you know, secondhand testimony.

(31:45):
I think though in that particular case, you know, look
at the level that he was at and intelligence, and
you know, I mean he really he and he went
through the whistleblower methods, the protocols, the where they're supposed
to do it, and so he did everything the right way.
But again it's not firsthand knowledge. So that's what we

(32:08):
really need. But you know, I've said this a number
of times. If if we actually get that, how many
people are going to really believe it even if we
had first hand evidence, right.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
And I do want to address one of your listeners
who wrote in and all caps, I don't I'm not sure.
I'm not committing yet that the new space Balls movie
will be as funny as the first one, because the
first one was pretty damn funny. So I just want
to go on record that I'm holding out until I
see a trailer. When I see a trailer, maybe i'll
I'll throw down, But right now, it's it's anyone's guess.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Oh it's funny. I met years ago, I did MERV Griffin.
I did his his appraisal when he passed away in California,
and I met Tony Griffin. A lot of people don't
know who MERV Griffin is, but you know he had
the MERV Griffin show years ago, Jeopardy and then he
created Jeopardy, created Wheel of Fortune.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
And you know many others in the Beverly Hills Hotel
and a whole right.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
All kinds of things.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah, And so I talked to his son, you know, Tony,
and I said, so, I heard heard you're an actor too,
and he says, oh, yeah, Spaceball's he was in Spaceballs.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
I think that was it.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Well, I want it done. I mean, how you top that? Yeah,
that's right, that's.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
The one hit wonder. That's right, pretty funny. So uh,
let's see, So is your movie still? Is that movie
still available on Apple? Because I think that's where I
actually watched it.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Which movie?

Speaker 3 (33:36):
You're the first one?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
The Alien Perspective?

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Are Viment first?

Speaker 1 (33:42):
And well? Are they? Are they all? Are they available
on all on Amazon as well?

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Both? Okay, so Amazon, all my stuff is parked there again.
The only thing that was kind of confusing is that
Amazon doesn't want you to put alien in the title
or UFO, and so that's why on Amazon it's called
Life Beyond Earth, and if you want to watch it
on Apple TV, it's called The Onlily Perspective Part two.
But it's the same thing. So don't double buy it

(34:08):
or double rent that. You're going to be pissed off
at me and go, really, dude, what the hell?

Speaker 3 (34:14):
It's your fault? Always?

Speaker 1 (34:16):
So yeah, and did I hear you say? Do you
think they're actually creating things through AI on some of
these documentaries?

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, it's annoying. It's annoying, af yeah, big time because
it's not about volume. Man, it took seven years for
me to do mine. It took Fox for the Phenomenon
eight years. It took I think fifteen years or more
for Randall ran Gi Yep. Yeah, And so these things

(34:48):
take a long time because stuff change and you have
to go back and you know, things changing, You've got
to rewrite and update, and you can't just pick a topic.
And so okay, because a lot of these things are
being written by AI, write me something interesting about this
hasn't been seen before. Then it curates it and comes back,
spits it out and you can tell it is soulless,

(35:10):
and all of the AI just lets like crap. Anyway,
there are some filmmakers who are using it in conjunction
with like if they're doing a reenactment or recreation of
something that is specific and it's not the whole you
know piece. I guess that that is you know, an
acceptable integration. But as far as just cranking these things

(35:32):
out and just coming up with these you know BS titles,
you know, you know, the Alien Agenda from Planet X,
I mean, yeah, some of these titles are are ridiculous,
and it just goes on and on, and so if
I'm Amazon, and I'm getting all these I'm you know,
I'm going to get frustrated as well. So I get that.

(35:55):
But you can't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
And so that's the concern is you know, because a
lot of people they don't want to go over to
to Apple TV. I mean, I know that Fox is
I'm giving this guy a plug, bastard that his his
movie is now on YouTube movies for free avon. That's

(36:17):
what we call it advertising video on demand. You got
to watch some ads, but you get to watch his
movie the program, and so it's yeah, that's yeah. That's
what I have to say about that is is is
you know, it's it's a weird kind of market right now.
But if you're doing something and you're trying to say

(36:40):
something that hasn't been said before, I think you'll do well.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Right. Yeah, that whole thing, you know, I mean, this
this whole market or whatever you get people say, you know,
why should I pay for anything when I can get
it for free?

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Type of thing.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
That that was almost the like is if all of
a sudden we somehow.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Ahead free energy.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
You know, it's like you can't regulate what's going on.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Remember it pitches me off. I'm gonna stop you right there, dude.
Why should I pay for anything I can get for free?
How about I hack into your account and I take
your money that you get paid your your your salary. Yeah,
why would I go and get my own salary when
I can take yours for free? Because it's still thievery.
So it's like I don't get it. And it's like, really,

(37:28):
you can't throw down on three ninety nine. You don't
have to go and park and see it in a
movie theater and you know you have to pay ten
bucks for a popcorn? You know, container about this big No,
it's it's that's always unfortunately gonna be there, but you know,
it is what it last.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
A couple of days ago, I was accused in an
open forum of you know, clickbait and you know, doing
things to make money and all that. But you know,
I mean, I've been doing this for fourteen years coming
up in fourteen years now, and you know, I don't
really want to get into details, but there were many

(38:10):
months I was taking six four to six hundred dollars
out of my pocket just to keep this thing going,
you know, for years, and I did it for one
reason only because I have a passion for this and
I think it's fascinating and interesting and that's what's kept
me going. And so now you know, there's a couple

(38:30):
of ads running things get paid for. I get to
you know, I can go places like Contact in the
Desert and things like that. And I do appreciate any
of the help that any of the patrons give me
in any which way in advertising helps with you know,
I do appreciate that. But you know, I mean, I
don't do it for that. That's not what I'm doing

(38:51):
it for. I do it because I love the mystery.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah, it's really tough, because again I thought I'll be
done in nine months. I mean, that's the hubris of
anyone walking into this business. I thought, well, I'm going
to do a documentary the exact opposite one pint eighty.
Then every single other documentary that's been out there, which
is from a human's perspective, I'm going to look at
this as a hypothetical from the alien's perspective. And I'm

(39:17):
going to bring in people who don't normally talk in
this field from Harvard, Carnegie, Mell, and Cornell. Blah blah blah,
and ultimately it grabs you and you're not doing it.
I mean, I didn't start out doing this because I thought, oh,
I'm going to make a killing at this, Because I've
been at the film business long enough to know any
time you set out to do that, you're going to

(39:38):
take a dirt bath real fast. And so it just
goes on and on and on, and so we do
it because of one thing, and one thing only, I think,
and that's curiosity that keeps us in the game. I
will say, however, editing these projects was the strangest experience

(40:00):
that I've ever had uh doing any production in my career,
and my girlfriend witnessed this as well. I felt this strange, like,
I don't know, my eyelids would flutter, which is something
that when I used to do. I used to go

(40:21):
these meditation retreats and stuff and really get into doing
that relax relaxing and everything, and if I felt like
I was getting a lot of energy, my eyelids would flutter.
This sounds really, you know, kind of woo woo, But
every single time I sat down to edit. It doesn't
happen on other projects. In fact, I did a feature film,
a supernatural dark comedy that I shot like five years

(40:45):
into the seven years just to take a break. And
when I was editing that nothing, And when I was
editing these projects, they were just like flickering. It was
the weirdest thing. And my girlfriend could see it from
across the room, very very strange. And I said to
Yvonne Smith, who's a wonderful hypnotherapist, and she's got CERROS,

(41:09):
which is a support group for experiencers, which I've was
lucked out and I was able to go to a
few times. And I talked to her and I go,
I've never seen anything. I've never had any missing time
or this or that. And she laughed at me and
looked at me very condescending. I might add, I don't
know who she thinks she is now, And she said, Dean,

(41:31):
they don't need to knock on your door to get
to you. They and quotes. So I found that amusing
and terrifying at the same time. But it does. It
grabs you, and you take these many breaks. I'm sure
the audience knows this. You get to a point where
were going, God, am I really going to go to
another convention? Am I really going to watch this or
read another book or whatever. And sometimes you take this

(41:54):
many breaks and then the little thing in your brain's
going curiosity. All right, just take a look, you know,
let me just go back on there. And and you know,
we joke about it, but you know, Ali would call
it my girlfriend, she would call it, you know, or
maybe I called it that and I wasn't. I didn't

(42:15):
want to shame anyone. But hey, we can all talk here.
Alien porn. I think that's, you know, not actual alien porn,
but it's anything that you're going, oh my god, I
want to check out new footage UFOs what is the latest?
And you click through all the subscriber and you're going,
oh my god. The person is doing you know this
and has another maybe piece of the puzzle. But then

(42:35):
you know, unfortunately a lot of these pieces don't fit
together and you got to throw it out that goes
to another puzzle that has nothing to do with what
we're trying to do or anyway.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Yeah, no, that's that's something I have to tell you
a great I think it's a great Yvonne Smith's story.
So about ten or twelve years ago, I was doing
something in California, doing this show, but I had nothing
to do with the show. I think I had to
do with the antiques. So I was in southern California

(43:06):
and I contacted Yvonne. I said, Hey, Yvonne, can I
actually come to where you do your hypnotherapy sessions and
actually record a show with you right there? And she
said absolutely. So I got there one day and I
set up all my equipment and microphones, did a test
and everything, and we did a whole show together. And
you know, I fly back to where was he at

(43:30):
the time, Yeah, New England, fly back to New England,
and I go to edit. This was before I was
doing them live. And I went to edit and there
was sounding there was a sound like Native American chanting
that drowned out everything. You could just barely hear her

(43:51):
and I talk wow through the whole thing, from the
start to the end. There was nothing on my computer
at the time. I don't even think. I think I
had like a recording system or something. There was nothing
that I could figure out that did it. And I
called her up and I told her and she goes, oh,
that's not surprising at all.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah, You've want to see some wild stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
So yeah, I mean, and you know, I made the
mistake of deleting it. I've had I've told that story
once or twice and people are saying, why didn't you
hang on to that and have someone, you know, try
to figure out what it was? And unfortunately, I you know,
I went deleted over you know, went over or deleted
it or something.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
I never had the The MP three's long gone, yep.
But anyway, i'd like for you, let's see, we're going
for say another eleven minutes or so somewhere around there,
and I'd like for you, if you would, to grace
us once again with the McPherson tape, the whole beginning
of how that happened. It's just such a fun story.

(44:57):
And there there are new people listening all the time.
I want the new person to hear the McPherson tape story,
how it all started, in the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
All right, I'll try to get it in eleven minutes, Yeah,
eleven minutes. So I want to answer some questions so
that these guys might.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Have oh in chat or oh okay, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Yeah, But so here's what happened. Here's here's the quick
version of it. I was twenty four years old, I'm
going to turn twenty five. All of my film director
idols made their first film by twenty five. So I
knew that I had to get my ass going and
come up with something. And so I knew that I
loved Aliens and I want to do something with that,

(45:39):
and big Spielberg fan obviously, and so I didn't have
a pot to you know what in and a buddy
of mine said he would give me sixty five hundred
bucks to make a movie, and I laughed and said, yeah,
I can't do anything with that except, you know, shoot
a wedding video. Well that got me thinking a few

(46:00):
days later, as I finished putting down Whitley Streemer's book Communion,
and I went, hold, on, what if I did a
first person version of this experience that Whitley and many
other people have reported to have, and I did it
from the pov of a camera. And so we shot
this thing in nineteen eighty eight, came out in eighty three,

(46:20):
and it was a family that gets abducted in the
house in the woods, all in one night.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Just one second, you said, I think you get your
dates wrong. Can you say the dates again on that.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Nineteen eighty eight is when we shot it, and then
it was released in nineteen eighty nine.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
I thought I heard you say eighty three. Okay, yeah,
go ahead.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
It was actually took place in eighty three. The movie
took place. That was the time dad of when it
was supposedly shot. Anyway, So I make this thing, we
go to sell it. I'm in the Bay Area, so
I do a road trip down to to LA and
everyone just hates my guts and they're throwing their car
keys at me and going get out of my office?

(47:00):
Is what is this crap? Who do you think you are?
Don't ever come back here unless you have a real
movie again ten years before Blair Witch And so I
felt that shame and I'm like, yeah, you're right. I
shouldn't have come in here, but I had to try.
And so so we get someone who actually says, hey,
you know what, I'll distribute this thing. Kid, don't worry
about it. So give it to him. We think that

(47:22):
we've won the lottery, and I call in a month
or two later and say, hey, how's it doing. How's
the film? And he goes, oh, it's on fire like
up and I'm like, oh that's great. What does that mean?
How many units VHS at the time, and he goes, no, no,
it's up in fire, like in flames, our warehouse burned
to the ground, and so your master and all your
artwork is gone. And so I knew it wasn't Citizen

(47:47):
Kane or The Godfather. So it's kind of like, oh, well,
I've got the original source tapes that were shot on it.
So if whatever it's the film, God's telling me, nice shot, kid.
Move forward. A few years later, I get a call
from someone saying I just saw your film at the
International UFO Congress Convention. No credits were on the film.
It was believed to be real unsolved mysteries hard copying.

(48:10):
A show called Encounters all want to do a story
on this film, and so I end up going on
national TV to debunk my own film, and then the
internet hit and I had to debunk it all over again.
But in between that time, I did a remake for UPN.
It was her first TV movie called Alien Abduction Incident
in Lake County that came out a year and a

(48:30):
half before Blurwitch, And again everyone got fired at UPM.
We were up in Vancouver with the guys from the
X File shooting it. I came back, they fired me,
cut it down to an hour, and some interesting news
here is is a chance that this film might actually
get released. Well but I know more, I'll let you know.

(48:52):
But a lot of people have said how do I
get this film? And it's been unavailable, the remake anyway,
So that's how that all came up about. It came about,
and then I was invited for the twenty fifth anniversary
to go to the same UFO convention that it showed at,
which is the International Fall Congress Convention by Alejandra Ross
and Karen Brard and so I went there and was

(49:14):
really nervous, showed it and everyone was cool. They had levity,
had no pitchforks, did I see our torches? Everyone has
a sense of humor in the UFO community. They're great.
And so that got me back into having interest, you know,
into this, and I started meeting highly credible people and
that's when I went, WHOA, I think there's a documentary

(49:35):
or two to be had here that I've not seen
before that really cuts to the aspects of the phenomenon
that I have not seen represented. So there you go.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
I was great, What was that we did? We you
did even better. Yeah, yeah, that's where you and I
when you and I met the first time. Actually, and
I'm trying to say, was that what year was that?
Twenty seventeen or four.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Two thousand eighteen, right after the twenty seventeen years, so
it would be in March or February. It was February because
there was.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
That's sorry, time's to day.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
All right, let's bring on these questions. Let's do this.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Okay, what are the questions? I'm sorry, these questions in chat?

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Huh no, when you see some questions now?

Speaker 1 (50:19):
All right, I did wait a minute, okay, yeah, so anyone,
we have some people here, so in chat, if you
have a question, please type in your questions now. And
I did see one up here that is not a question,
that is a statement. And that's another statement and another
statement balled by the same person about senses of humor
or something. I think we're out of questions already. We

(50:44):
have we have a lot of like, uh, you know,
good points and things like that.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
But what was the blowback like on you your fake
alien movie?

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Oh that must have just came up your question?

Speaker 2 (50:56):
All right, mister Tom King.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Here it is?

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yeah Tom? Yeah, Well Tom, you should know man because
you were no. So the blowback was that people said
I was full of crap and that I worked for
the government. And I actually had someone tell me this
in person in a very nice way, because my last
name is Alioto and there used to be a mayor

(51:20):
named Alioto in the seventies, and the scuttle but was
that he was maybe my father, and that because he
was a mayor and somehow tangently tied in with the government.
Government and quotes that they got to me to remake
the original McPherson tape, which was called UFO Abduction originally

(51:43):
to throw people off the scent of the original being real,
and that's why I did the other And so I
had to tell him, well, he would have to have
been my grandfather, and I never met the guy, and
so that didn't work. And then I throw out some trivia.
His Joseph Aliotta, who was the mayor, went after Look

(52:03):
magazine because he was actually going to be groomed for president,
and Look magazine came out and said because Look magazine
wasn't doing very well, so they started doing more exploit
of crap reporting, and they came out and said that
Joe Aliota was tied in with the mafia, and so
he sued them. And Look magazine is the same one
that reported Jackie Gleeson's wife. She said in Look magazine

(52:26):
that Jackie Gleeson had seen some bodies and stuff with Nixon.
That's a whole other, nice story. Anyway. Yeah, he beat
the crap out of them in court and won a
huge settlement and Look magazine went bye bye. So there
you go. Wow. So the ballback hasn't been lasting other
than it's become this thing that people enjoy. And I

(52:46):
do know that there's a bunch of high schoolers who
take their buddies and they show them the original moving
They don't tell them that it's real or not. They
videotaped the reaction as they have these meltdowns, and that's
pretty funny to watch on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
So oh hey, I bet that'd be fun, real fun.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
You don't have to answer this because this could open
up a can of worms, but you can if you
want to. There isn't one other question in there. What
is your opinion on Bob Lazar.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
I don't know Bob Lizard. What is okay? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Yeah, no, go ahead, go ahead, no, no.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I don't know him. I've never spoken with him. A
buddy of mine just made a movie with him that
is going to be pretty big. But I've not kicked
the tires.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Let's you say, yes, I had a discussion with your
buddy at Contact in the desert. We had a friendly debate.
I'll put it that way. That's that's what I'll say.
We heded. He is a great guy. He's a nice
guy in Canada. What's his first name, Luigi? Luigi. Yes,
Luigi's a great guy. So here's another question for you.

(53:50):
What is going to happen before twenty twenty six or
the hearings coming up a good thing? Do you think
humans would accept aliens have proven undeniably real? In other words,
you think people would accept disclosure that we're not alone.
I believe Terrence.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Terrence, I'm glad that you asked me that because I
am the only person that can answer that. And I'll
tell you this, before twenty twenty six, there's going to
be a bunch of months and then it'll be twenty
twenty six. So that's part one answered, Part two. With
regards to will people be able to handle it? I
think that the experiencers are doing pretty damn well with it.

(54:32):
When I went to a Cerro's support group after hearing
everyone's story, and there's about fifteen or more of them,
I said, I want to see a show of hands.
How many people would have this experience all over again,
or you could wipe it out and have it never happen.
Show me your hands if you would want to go
back and erase time, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
No one raised their hand.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Really.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Yeah, So I think that we all know that we're
not the only intelligent semi intelligent. I'm being kind with
us species out there. My big concern is not that.
My big concern is if they were to show up
on the White House lawn and stuff. It's very problematic
because everyone reports that they communicate telepathically, so you can't

(55:17):
really mike someone who talks telepathically. So logistically that might
be a problem. But we take things and we spin
them and we put them up on pedestals, pedestals, and
so we could look at these things as being amazing everything,
and then the next second they could be, you know,
called demons. I mean, Louie Alzando told me, he says,
when he would brief these generals, what's going on a

(55:39):
chunk of them would say, hey, you're doing God's worth.
Thank you God's work. And then another chunk of them
would say, you do know that they're demons? Right? So
that's right, man, We just misinterpret things left and right.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
So I just made that little break. We're let's continue
on a little bit. And because I see all of
a sudden, we have some questions coming in. Okay, and
this one is from Mendi. She always has great questions.
Does do you think it's possible that UFOs are actually
separate from the phenomenon? Are people complating these things?

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Mennopolis, What a great question. Jeez. You know, I'm looking
at these orbs and I'm and I'm thinking that, you know,
this is a life form. I did say. It sounds
like I'm name dropping, but I did ask. When I
was talking to the first time I met lou Elisondo,

(56:35):
I said, I feel like these crafts are organic. And
when I interviewed Jim Penison, he never mentioned this. It
is not in his book or anything, but he elaborates
on that in our documentary and he says, yeah, I
think that this is organic. I think that these things
are Now, are they separate from the phenomenon. Well, anything
that's flying around that is doing things that we can't

(56:58):
do is a phenomenon by by definition, So it's kind
of hard to separate the two if we're saying, do
we separate it from them being extraterrestrials you know, and
be from the dimension possibly, But you know, I kind
of think it's all the above. We're going to figure
out time travel, right and so what are we going
to do. We're gonna go back in time and visit ourselves.

(57:20):
So that's got to be happening right now. So some
of these I would assume that that would be the case.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
So unless our species doesn't last long enough to do that,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Very possibly going to, but it could be.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
I mentioned this to doctor Michael Masters once.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
What if we do get wiped out, like we're almost
on track to or basically possibly on track to, and
a new species involves. You know, there's still plenty of
time ahead of us before the sun swalls up too
big and we heat up too much and no life
can exist. So what if another species evolves in the

(58:00):
future that gets through the bottleneck and develops time travel
and they come back and that's why they look like
the grace.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
I have an no one anyway, I have another theory
for you. All right, they're not from the future. What
if they're from the past. Yeah, yeah, that could also
make sense. I mean, if you look at it, there
are certain types of dinosaurs that were around sixty million
years before the big favorite dinosaurs you know of Jurassic

(58:31):
Park showed up. So there are sections in history that
you know, could come and go and we wouldn't even
have any artifacts. It would have you know, broken down,
and so it's yeah, we don't know, but we're on
track not to do too well. We're on track to
be wiping ourselves out.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Actually, yeah, it seems like that.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
So just another perspective because we think that you know,
things like say, for instance, of pyramids, well in twenty
around twenty million years, there will be no If erosion
happens without them being protected, the pyramids would be completely gone.
I know, it's so hard to about twenty million years,

(59:12):
you know, with statistically through erosion. So that the reason
I'm bringing that up is because you know, if you
really want to think about these things, maybe there could
have been species in the rear view mirror that had
developed and are gone, you know, I mean, you know,
maybe I'm really going out there a little woo woo

(59:34):
on this, but I think, you know, it's there is
a possibility because you know, we it's so hard to
imagine time, and you know, when you're talking billions of
years and you know, I mean, just to try to
figure all that out and what could exist and come
back and be no signs of the planet could vulcanize

(59:54):
and destroy all evidence of whatever it was and then
start all over again.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
It could those things could happen.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Think yeah, I mean if we get hit with another
media or a few you know, asteroids, that that'll that'll
do a lot of a racing of the of the blackboard.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Yeah right, Okay, So I gonna pop in a couple
of these questions. Do you think Steven Spielberg has an
inside track?

Speaker 7 (01:00:19):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
I do not. I get asked that a lot. No,
he he, He doesn't have any more knowledge of it
than we do. And what I mean by that is,
why would someone confine in a in a filmmaker. I mean,
all of his stuff seems very intuitive and so everyone

(01:00:41):
makes that connection. It's easy to but you know, he's
working with j Allen Heinek, for God's sake, on Close Encounters,
so that's why that's authentic, and and other people before then.
But he he's only made you know, a few films
that are in that space. He made War of the
World's HG. Else And and that wasn't really kind of

(01:01:03):
further in any agenda other than just having fun and
you know, blowing crap up. And now he's doing a
new UFO film, so we'll see, but with regards to
how that one turns out. But no, he doesn't have
any no filmmakers do I. I've heard that before a
million times, and I've not seen anything out there that

(01:01:25):
that has been next level And we go, oh wow,
so that's what's actually going on. I mean, any idea
that you and I have right now when anyone else
will have, chances are it's already been written about novelist eyes,
novelized in in Amazing Stories or in you know, sci
fi magazines and stuff, and in novels again HG. Wells,

(01:01:47):
he predicted that we would have all these stages with
rockets and stuff to get to the moon, and we'd
have booster rockets. I mean, how the hell did he
do that? But anyway. No, I don't think that filmmakers do.
I wish I'm line, you know, I'd love to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Yeah, all right, so here's one that could get us
into a fight somehow. Thank you Martin and Deane. Last question,
what is your favorite UFO related or not? Movie UFO
related or not? Because I'm supposed to say you're a
movie Dean, and then you can't say, yeah, let's see,

(01:02:29):
So I don't know if you want to. All right,
let's what is?

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
What is your favorite boundaries? What is your favorite movie?
You're you're in a safe space here, this is no judgment,
no shame, and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
It's a let's see. I would have to say, what's
that one from the nineteen fifties. I mean, it's just
so fun to watch with the giant robot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Narrows it down. Okay, you're talking about the day the
Earth stood still?

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Brtherwise, I think that's just fun to watch. That's a
great movie. That's a really good movie. It's not the
McPherson tape, but you know, what is it?

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
What is?

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
All right? My favorite film is I would say Close
Encounters of the Third Kind because it achieved something that
no other film sci fi action film had, which is
there's no bad guys, you don't see the aliens until
the end of the film, and it's wonderment. Man, it
is wonderment again.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
The thing for me, if I.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Could pick one word to represent the phenomenon, it's curiosity.
And it's why we will be able to at some
point to have communion with these beings. It'll be through curiosity,
the language of curiosity.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
So you know, I have to watch that movie again
because I watched it in the theater when it was out,
and that movie is how many years old? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Oh my god, it is seventy seven, so in two
years will be the fifties, so it's a forty it's
been out for forty eight years, that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
I can't believe I watched that in the theater. Wow.
And I have to watch that again because it's just
been too long and I've only watched it one time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Yeah, it's so good. I actually, the last time I
had COVID and I was shut down and everything, I
wrote a sequel, The Close Encounters of the Third Kind, And.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Is it Close Encounters of the Fourth Kind?

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Yes, it was very imaginative. I can't believe you guessed that, Yes,
that was the title, and it was just an exercise,
but it was something that I wanted to kind of
do and extend it because I just love that film.
It's so much fun and humor, very humorous.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Yeah, oh yeah, there's a lot of funny things. I
remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
What do you think about the chances that NHI, if real,
would be evolved past needing spacecraft at all?

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Boy men in Paulus Man, He's brave.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
No always always great questions.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Yeah, yeah, that's or I kind of get into the
gray area when it comes to like some of these
the experiments that are done, the testing that are done
on humans by NHIS. You know, do they really need
to be doing that at that point? Where's the tri quarter?

(01:05:16):
You know, why aren't they just using that? Yeah? I
you know, I have a theory about these crafts. I
think that they're that they're not really traveling. I think
that they're just you know, skipping time. But we've heard
that before. But what I haven't heard enough of is
that I think that they might be traveling the astral plane.

(01:05:40):
It's a fun theory that I have because sometimes people
say they see deceased loved ones on craft or near craft.
And so if you could figure out a way like
ghosts appear and disappear from one section of a house
to another, if you could figure that out, you know,
you probably need some type of.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
A holding.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Structure so that you could transport people from here to there.
But you know, these crafts, they're not shaped in a
way that has wings or exhaust or whatever. So they're
just kind of this holding seemed to be this holding vehicle,
this this this space to contain whatever is going on
inside it, but it doesn't seem to be you know, propelling.
I think it's skipping time. And the question is why

(01:06:22):
do they do these slow rolls by humans and kind
of check them out, you know and everything you've seen
the furry you know, dice in my rear view mirror. Yeah, baby,
and then they continue and they just take off. So
m yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
So Terrence, once again, why can't they just say aliens
came here? Inner ship? We don't know why? Let's all
figure it out together? Who? Who? Who? They?

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Us?

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
All of us?

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Is that? I'm not really.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Sure the government maybe saying the gunment. I can't Okay,
all right, why can't they just say aliens came here?
On a ship. We don't know why, let's all figure
it out together. In other words, why can't wait saying wait,
why can't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
We why can't we work together trying to figure out
or it's us?

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Yeah, I don't know, man, there's so many different theories
and stuff. You can't park it with one. Once you
do that, you're stuck. You're you're Yeah, that's that's the
mistake that I've made before. I start out thinking, you know,
like everyone from another planet that I'm reading old Jacquesvlai's books, Oh,
they're fromnother dimension that I'm reading, Michael Master's books, other
from the future, And so I think it's all the above.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
It could be or none of the above. Yeah, another
one from Mendy here, do you think that time travel,
if time travel was real, it would be regulated by
the DOE due to the amount of energy generated required
Department of Energy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Well, that's assuming that they're using our physics and our
physics whenever we do anything that's mechanical or it exerts
a crap load of energy bitcoins to generate bitcoins, it's
a whole bunch of energy. I don't think that that's
a problem for what they're doing the way that they're
doing it. I don't think that the energy is an issue.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
All right, I'm putting these up without really reading them first,
just to get through them. Could it be a reason
why the government don't want us to know the truth,
doesn't want us to know the truth about non humans
here possibly living among us, that they cannot protect us
from what we might want our taxes back. We want

(01:08:40):
to talk about it. Do you understand that question?

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I'm going to take a stab at the heart of
the question.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Okay, which.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
I Yeah, that is a that is a bump that
if the government comes out and says we've had any
type of communication relationship with them, it's going to be
what about the experiencer problem? You know, the abduction problem. Yeah,
that's going to be a big bump for people. Why
can't you protect us? I hear the thing all the time, Well,

(01:09:12):
we negotiate with them. We got technology, and we allowed
them to come here and to you know a cost.
Are are you know fellow humans? I still haven't seen
that technology displayed. A lot of people say fiber optics
that came from them, Like, okay, well there's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Three people that ended it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
The fiber optics how about a little pride for human inventiveness? Okay,
are we really going to give that to people who
didn't have anything to do with it? So?

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Yeah, funny, Now this duck head's asking how about Tom
Delong's claims. I think that's authentic. I heard that he
was talking the other day something new about UFOs. Have
you heard about that?

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Someone someone y. I think he recorded a tape of
himself talking about something. I don't know anything about that,
but it's interesting. Maybe we maybe we can look into
it at some point. Here's another question here, Dean. What
is the best thing and worst thing in filmmaking? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Man, Okay, we'll start with the worst thing first. The
worst is that it's the most expensive art form in
the history of man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
So I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Yeah, think of any other art form in the history
of mankind where in order to do some art if
you can call it art in quotes with people in capes,
that it costs you three hundred and fifty million dollars,
you know. So it's very, very hard to get these
things funded. Technology has gotten definitely cheaper, and so I
was able to do a lot of self funding with

(01:10:49):
these documentaries that I did. But so that's that's the
hardest thing is the economics of it. The best thing
about it is that we do have that technology where
we can show pretty mu anything. We're not limited in
any way. But it's also really fun to pull together
a troop of people who are all under hopefully the

(01:11:10):
same spell of the story and being able to see
that materialized. So we have, you know, an idea, and
we're able to show you on a screen that metamorphosis
is pretty badass. And it still gets me exciting, gets
me up in the morning.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Yeah, I was involved in a film one time, years ago,
and it was so much fun. We'd we had rented,
we had actors and rented you know, a school for
alien was this alien?

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
Sorry that was that was the title.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Yeah, but anyway, it was so much I just had
so much fun, so much fun. Okay, another question from
Mendi here, what figure in upology do you both think
has been the most beneficial helpful to the topic.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Good question.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Okay, you go past past or present?

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
H uh.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
You know, someone asked me who would I trust today
if they wanted to tell me something, And the first
thought came to my mind was Dave Marler, who's actually
coming up on the show. He's been a guest many
times just because he's such a solid guy. So I
think past, if we can include the past, I think

(01:12:20):
someone you mentioned earlier, John Mack, was someone that I
think really uh did a lot, and you know, Stanton Freeman,
we only lost him. I don't know, has it been
five years now, I can't remember how long it's been.
But Stanton Freeman did a lot. I did a lot
for the topic and uh, you know, put uh put

(01:12:42):
a lot of you know, skepticism to rest in the
ways that he was able to present things, uh, you know,
out there. So I think both Stanton Freeman, John Mack
or the two my two that I think of right
off the bat.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna throw Jay Allen Heinek in there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, good one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Yeah, I'm also gonna throw in there. I mean, you
have a lot of people who have provided pieces that
do seem to fit together in the puzzle and have
helped out that aren't exactly you know, full hardcore eufologist
like Leslie Kane. I think you know that the article

(01:13:27):
that went out certainly helped move things in the right direction.
Getting that out in the way that it did. That
was certainly beneficial. But as far as someone who is
you know out there, who's who's you know has a
string theory a theory for everything, no one really has that.

(01:13:51):
It's it's it's bifurcated, it's split up. Stam Friedman definitely
was great. He had pieces that he was you know,
texture side of the phenomenon that was showing. So yeah,
it's a kind of a collection. So I can't I
can't narrow it down to one person.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Yeah, so this is I didn't see this question because
it wasn't in caps. But are you familiar with doctor
Beatrice Verioly very old? Yes, she has been on the
show in the past, and I've been in touch with
her the last couple of days, and I think her

(01:14:26):
recent findings are amazing, and I have invited her to
back and hopefully we'll get it together and she'll be
back on again. But yeah, I was very impressed with
her interview recently, and I had known I had heads
up on this when I was down with the Disco
Brothers a few weeks ago. Someone with who was working

(01:14:48):
with Beatrice was there from Stockholm. He was from Stockholm,
and he said, keep your eyes open. You're going to
have a really big announcement in the next week or two.
And that's really what Beatrice came out with, that these
things were happening back in the nineteen fifties. They're all
on the plates, and they're ard artifacts on the plates
in the fifties, and they were geocentric about forty two

(01:15:13):
thousand kilometers out from Earth, and they were also around
during UFO events, atomic events and things like that. You know,
maybe some of it's coincidence, but for it's all happened together,
it's quite a story. So hopefully we can get her
on the show. Nice, are you familiar with Beatrice?

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
She makes hell of chocolate chip cookies. That's the only
thing I know about.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
No, No, she's a great scientist.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Yeah, there are a lot of Again, there are people
who contribute in different ways and add to it. When
someone is saying that something's going to be coming, or
they're these events and stuff. That's that has happened a
lot with regards to you know, when the bombs were
first being tested, people report seeing these crafts and stuff. Again,
which kind of leads to the time travel thing. If

(01:16:09):
you're you know, Mike Masters, and they're coming from the future.
They're coming back to watch this thing and go, oh,
let's go, you know, check out what these you know,
what our ancestors did. But as far as something coming
like within dates, whenever I hear dates and stuff, I
get really cagy. I was on a panel at Contact
in the Desert with a whole bunch of uh, you know,

(01:16:32):
the usual suspects, and and someone threw out and said,
I'm being told that twenty twenty seven something, Yeah, it's
going to happen. And I, you know, said, if I
bet against every date that was ever thrown out, I
could finance all of my movies. It's it's it's a
moving target. It's a moving target, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
If this thing well, there's always been predictions of the
end of the world or this or that, and then
it's always moved out a little for one reason or other.
There was a case where all these people thought they
were going to be picked up in a spacecraft. I
can't remember it the sixties or seventies, and they all
quit their jobs, and you know what I mean, they

(01:17:13):
kept getting pushed out. Yeah, No, not that one, not
that one in particular. There was another situation where yeah,
and you know, these people were out of work and
you know, destitute, thinking that they were going to be
taken away and saved. It's kind of sad that. So
I don't know, I don't have any any faith in
any of that either. Here's another question, and I don't know.

(01:17:36):
This is kind of a hut potato. Who, in your opinion,
are the real fake whistleblowers out of everyone that came forward,
you know, I mean, I don't know, if we want
to get into answering something like that, we could say
the wrong thing or get someone pretty upset. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
It's I'll just say this in general, there are are
a lot of people who have come out in this
field as anything from someone who's a whistleblower to someone
who is purporting to be a UFO guru, and there's
usually some truth to it, and then the rest is manufactured,

(01:18:17):
hype built upon it and becomes its own, you know, industry.
We were talking about this earlier. It's very tough to
make money in UFOs. It's not something that the government funds.
It's something that we go out and we do because
of our own curiosity. No one funds anyone writing a book.
You know, Jacques Valley doesn't get funding to write his books.

(01:18:38):
It's it's us, you know, wanting to do this because
we want to do it. However, you can make money
if you're doing tours and stuff and everything, and you're
creating a kind of cottage industry. Are you're purporting to
be the person who has all the answers? And so
anyone who says that, you know, I just I asked.
I keep asking the question to people whenever they're asking

(01:18:59):
who should I follow? Who should I do this? And
then and I go, why do you need a guru?
You don't. All the information is available as free is
out there, and so you know, someone that has nothing
to do with the UFO community is going to find
something interesting as well and add that to it. So,
you know, let's follow Mitchell calcu, Let's follow other people

(01:19:21):
who are working, you know, adjacent to this that are
you know lex Fredman a great podcast I listened to.
He had on this gentleman who was just throwing down
left and right on you know, on the phenomenon and
what he believes in everything, and so.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Yeah, yeah, interesting. Well I'm just going to pop a
couple more questions, and we'll call it tonight. Is it
possible that what some call nhi tech is actually human
but divinely inspired by those in what we would call
an afterlife? Would that after life be evolving along sign

(01:20:02):
us parallel to us? Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
That one is pretty pretty deep.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Okay, So why are we here? Right? That's that's all
these questions come back to that. Why are we here?
What is the experience? What is the human experience? For
I'm kind of a little bit of a Buddhist and
I like the idea. Again, I believe in things. I
don't know things. When it comes to this level of esoteric,

(01:20:31):
I think that we're all here. It's a school, right,
people reincarnate. I believe in that. I believe that we
come back and we're learning and we're evolving, and at
some point we're going to get to the point where
we've evolved greed out of us. So we don't need
to have a yacht because no one else does and
look at me and my yacht. You know. We need

(01:20:52):
to get to a place where we see someone hurting
and we go, oh, I'm hurting as well. That person's hurting.
So I feel like ultimately we're going to get to
a place where we evolve and we won't need to
be in the physical form and we will transcend this.
And so this is kind of one big school, one
big you know, playground, if you will. And so I

(01:21:14):
feel like, you know, when it comes to the afterlife.
You know, it's funny because people look at at angels,
these cherubs, and what are they these little things with
big heads, because babies have big heads and stuff, and
so you know, Pasulca Dinah Pasulka has talked about that
like maybe they're conflating the two. But I hope that

(01:21:35):
kind of answers what do you think? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
I think that was a very good answer, much better
than I could possibly think of.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
All right, last question of the night question, will disclosure
come from the government, military industrial complex or from NHI
showing themselves globally? Yeah, it's all speculation.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
A good last question because you have to define what
is your definition of disclosure?

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Okay, So unless I know what that is, because if
it's full disclosure, meaning yes, there are aliens here and
we have you know, their craft, and we have relationships
with them, I don't see the point of the government
doing that unless there's some agenda at hand. I think
ultimately I'll say this, I think it's in the hands

(01:22:26):
of the non human, the nhis they run the show man,
they run it. If they want it to happen, it's
going to happen. That's that's my feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Okay, So I'll put a last question up since that
one was tough. Do you think that all of paranormal activity, UAPs, ghosts,
et cetera. Are many sides of the same coin, as
it were? I think.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
I think we like to look at life in general
as like a stretch of fabric, and and everyone has
their version of what that fabric is, and it's and
if it's only one person's version is pretty boring. I
like to imagine a fabric that has crochet in it,
that has some silk, and it has all these different things,

(01:23:14):
and I think it's all part of the human experience.
There are people high initiates, people monks who see things
that run across the gamut of afterlife, of extraterrestrials. So
I think that when it's when we say it's all

(01:23:34):
part of the same coin, I think what we're saying is,
I don't know. I think it's all part of the
same experience, and some people are are more adept at
being able to perceive it than others. But I wouldn't
take that all the paranormal stuff and put it in
one layer and say, oh, that's one layer. I think
you know it's I think it's multi layers, if you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
Will, very good, so, Dane, I think that's going to
do it for tonight. So where again, your film's on
the Amazon Go ahead and do you a little plug?

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
Sure, yeah, the Alien Perspective and Life Beyond Earth. And
again they can go to my website and they can
just click through and go to all those portals and
that's that Alien perspectivemovie dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Okay, Deane, Now I'm going to find out if you
ever watched all the way to the end of one
of my shows. All right, everyone, we'll be back next week,
and remember to.

Speaker 6 (01:24:33):
Keep watching, keep keep your eyes all check your eyes
to this, to the lies, to the skies.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
That's it. Okay, Yes, thank you finally watched one of
my shows to the end.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
Thank you so much, Dean. It's been a real blast, been.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
A lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Thank you, brother.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
All Right, all right, everyone, we'll be back next week,
and remember i'll say it. Keep your eyes to the sky,

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