February 3, 2026 • 55 mins
Katie recaps her experience at the Sundance Film Festival and her first ever Grammy's!
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There's a new term buzzing on the Internet, Dink.
Dual income? No, kid, you probably have an
opinion on these people or an opinion on people who have an
opinion on these people. America's birth rate has hit its
lowest point in more than a century.
Some are blaming it on infertility.
Others say the state of the world is causing couples to
think twice about having children.
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Childless marriages could be a good thing if they were a result
of God's sovereign providential work.
Oh my God, can't even hear you. They like avocado toast and
brunches out and going to plays and having sweet vacations.
Yeah, you're probably super selfish.
Kids are better than brunch. Wrong.
And then there's another group of young couples that want the
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lifestyle of childless households and the lifestyle it
brings with it. Thanks.
Welcome to the DINK side. It's a podcast about life,
laughs and living child free. We are a double income, no kids
couple navigating the UPSI downsand the hilarious inbetweens of
choosing a different path in a world that won't stop asking.
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So when are you having kids? God that would be a really
terrible game show. Which actually leads me to my
first thought this week on the DINK side.
I just started last night watching a little mini docu
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series on Hulu, and I think it'scalled Dirty Talk.
I think something like that. Just wait, Just wait.
I think it's called Dirty Talk, but it's about talk shows in the
80s and 90s that were like JerrySpringer and all of those kind
of raunchy shows and how they started off with well,
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intentions of like feelings and relationship advice and all
these things. But then just ended up being in
the zone of like, well, the lie detector test determined you are
not the father. And I just, you know, I'm glad,
glad we don't have to be on one of those, I guess is my point.
A paternity test on TV. Yes, you know the ones I'm
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talking about, right? Sure.
Where people would air like their dirty laundry.
I think that's why it's called dirty talk.
Yeah, OK. I digress, it's a pretty
interesting series on. Hulu, listen, I know we don't
like to compare to people with children, but I'm going to do
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it. I think I'm as tired as someone
that hasn't a newborn child. I think I am as tired as someone
that has had a newborn baby for two weeks.
I am so tired. I don't even know I I'm so tired
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I feel drunk. Is that?
Yeah, you do seem kind of drunk.Whatever.
I'm tired from doing a lot of things that do not include
taking care of a human life. Including your own.
No, no, I would like to assert. Actually the new thing I would
like to assert is I am my own child.
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Ah, I like that. And I think that's what this
episode should be called. I am my own child.
I'll write that down right now. I am my own child.
I birthed me. I don't know I that doesn't even
make sense. Yeah, you really are drunk,
aren't you? Oh my God.
I've lost the plot and I'd like to also just tell you state for
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the record, I have had three cups of cold brew today.
Well, there's the problem. No.
And two of those cups were in the last 90 minutes.
What do you mean? Where's the?
There's the problem. That's the.
Problem here, this is what people do.
Like they, they, they're like, oh, I'm tired.
I need to slam the caffeine. That will only make you more
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tired as you. Want.
Yes. That's not true.
She will crash. Yeah, the one from this morning,
sure, but I had two cups in the last 90 minutes.
I should be jazzed and amped forthis podcast.
It was for the greater good. I had shit, I had shit, I had
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shit to do. I am doing shit and I have more
shit to do after this. OK, a lot of shit to do.
That's the lesson here. But I'm just saying like I tried
for the greater good of everyoneto caffeinate.
No, that's the thing. It's it's not for the greater
good when you caffeinate. When I I get I, I am a turd.
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When I get over caffeinated I get really pissed off.
Are you? So what are you trying to say?
Well, if the shoe fits, you know, I guess that's what I'm
trying to say. Oh yeah, because my computer
didn't restart itself four timesand refused to connect to my
Airpods that it's going to my I'm not patient enough to be a
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parent. Obviously we've this is well
established, but I almost just put a bullet through everything.
I almost did. I almost did a double.
What is it called? A murder, A double homicide,
suicide. What is it?
I think you're inventing something.
That murder suicide there, your double homicide suicide, that's
Jesus. It's getting dark.
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I do not drink cold brew anymore.
No, I almost did a murder suicide with my laptop and my
Airpods because I was about to hold them in front of the barrel
and then put me on the other end.
Let's all go out together because I've connected my
Airpods. I've connected my Airpods to
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this fucking laptop for, I don'tknow, two years?
Once a week at least minimum, maybe possibly four times a week
depending on work meetings. And today it said impossible to
connect, never connected. Accessory doesn't support
connection. Hello.
Here's the thing I here's what Iwas about to say.
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Let me finish my point before you triple somicide me.
I was about to say, you have a lot of technology related rage,
more than the average person where you go from zero to blind
in about one second because it'sjust like what do you mean it
doesn't fucking work? Which is hilarious because you
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also never update your computer and keep all your Chrome tabs
open and like you kind of ask for it to an extent.
OK, let me finish. Well hold on, hang on.
Before you quadruple homicide meand I was going to say and let
me finish, I was going to say that I have a lot of tech
patience. However, I was also the person 2
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days ago. We were trying to edit a video
on our computer and it slugged the computer down and I almost
threw the keyboard out the window.
I start slamming things. It's frustrating.
Technology is frustrating. Yeah, you almost like took out
the dogs 'cause they itched or did some sound while you were
like having a technology issue with the computer.
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And I'm like, OK, relax, you're exploding now.
Also, how dare you. This is victim blaming from you.
Literally roll back the tapes right now.
Play back your own voice to yourself.
Victim blaming. I just said that my shit didn't
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connect. My Airpods didn't connect to my
computer like they have 7000 times before.
Same Airpods, same computer and my fucking shit restarted itself
four times and got frozen and you just victim blamed.
You said it's because I don't update my computer and I have
tabs open. Hi news flash, Airpods
connecting to Bluetooth has nothing to do with the amount of
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tabs I have open. Yeah, well, it kind of it could
cause the computer. No, it does.
It's. Overwhelmed.
Yeah, it does. It can.
It can. Yeah, that's.
My oh so my bitch ass computer is overwhelmed.
Does it need an anxiety prescription?
Listen, there is. Tabs I have open.
You are way too infused with cold brew right now.
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We are looking at a triple, quadruple homicide, murder,
suicide situation. I'd like to assert the fact that
I'm in fact, I don't have enoughcold brew in me.
Oh God help us. No, I don't think we're going to
need the National Guard to be activated if we give you another
class of cold brew technology can be truly frustrating though,
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but I I this is. We've talked about this.
I am not. I literally said that I almost
destroyed our computer the otherday.
You're taking your tech rage outon me, woman.
I was going to say that I alwayshelps.
When you say woman to someone, that always helps.
Oh my God, I didn't say all women.
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I didn't say because you're a woman you need to pump the
brakes. Have no more cold brew, please.
I was going to say in. Reverse What if I was like
Bluetooth doesn't have anything to do with this man?
That'd be fine. That's what people say.
No, it's so weird. OK, well, whatever there's we'll
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roll back the tapes on that again.
What I was going to say is we'vetalked many times about how I
would not have enough patience to be a parent and I would also
not have enough patience to workin customer service.
And I think my worst case scenario job would be working at
the Geek Squad at Best Buy or the Genius Bar at the Apple
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Store because. Really.
Yeah, because you got to know, like, on one hand, you could
tell somebody how to, like, savea Word document and they think
your Mother Teresa. On the other hand, it would.
It would frustrate the living crap out of me, I think.
Are you sure? Because you help my mom all the
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time with technology stuff and you also like the satisfaction
of like problem solving, like quickly getting something fixed
and then you're like, oh, done, I got it.
We did it. I do, but I also have witnessed
how shitty people are in those situations.
And like, I remember one time when I was a kid, I went with
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one of my uncles to like upgradehis cell phone And they had to.
It was back in the days where you, it was all SIM cards and
you had to like plug your phone into the new phone to transfer
all your contacts and all that. And I thought he was going to
take the, the poor guy out because it didn't happen in nine
seconds. And I just kind of, I would not
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be able to do it. There's no way.
Yeah. Like that's got to be.
And then they have them like at the Apple Store, they have them
like teaching classes and stuff.I don't know.
I couldn't do it. Teaching classes.
Yeah, they'll teach like today for an hour.
We're going to. We're going to show you how to
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set up your toolbar. And it's like, OK, well, God,
where's what's at 8:00? Watching paint dry.
Oh yeah, when we went to fix my phone, there was children
learning how to animate on an iPad.
Yeah, yeah, that's my, that's exactly right.
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Also hey I'll say it, Apple Store, you have enough money.
Shark Tank, we need a daycare orchildren's section like IKEA has
a daycare for children, I think,right Where you can drop your
kid off and then shop for furniture instead of your
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children jumping on all their furniture, which why don't more
people take advantage of that also, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait. No, no, no, no.
Hang on, hang. On, hang on, hang on, hang on,
hang on, hang on. I'm not going to say anything.
I'm not going to. I'm not going to get to my
point, but I think we might havejust thought of the same thing
at the same time. Go ahead.
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OK, I was going to say that for the IKEA thing, why don't people
just pretend they're going to look at furniture that's.
What I was going to say, it's such a great idea.
And leave their kid in the in the IKEA like child watch thing.
Or here's the thing. Yes, there's the idea of drop
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your kid off at IKEA. Go see a comedy show at Flappers
Burbank. This is very specific to the
Burbank, the Burbank location ofIKEA.
However, there's other options for you.
Isn't there alcohol at the IKEA cafeteria restaurant thing?
No, no. Oh, because I was going to say,
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isn't it like a food court? Why don't you just go get crunk
at the IKEA bar and then leave your kid at the daycare for
IKEA? They don't currently have a bar,
but I you know they, why not? I mean, it's not that hard to
sneak stuff in your purse. I think you could just go get a
soft serve, get a soda, go crazy, walk through IKEA.
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I I think it's a great idea. And then I would like to assert
that in the Apple Store you theyneed the exact same thing
because guess what's not a placefor children amongst 12?
$100. Phones, iPads, laptops that cost
$2000 there. We saw a a little kid when I was
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getting my phone in my phone case.
RIP a phone case off the fuckingwall and like throw it at the
ground and then she like put it in her mouth and it's like
someone that's, that's a $65 phone case that someone's going
to buy and that kid just had it in their mouth.
And also it's like 100,000 people have touched it.
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It's all gross. And why don't Apple has enough
money? If they have enough money to do
educational classes for childrento animate on an iPad, they have
enough money to have one person in the corner watching them in a
circle. This is actually it's so I it's
terrible. It's a terrible thing to say,
but I really want to run an experiment and drop like a fake
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kid off at IKEA for the day and see how long it takes for them
to call CPS. Also, people do it.
I mean it's horrible and I don'tknow why I'm more upset by this
idea, but people like leave their dog at a dog park and go
to work or something. So there's like like a dog at a
public dog park and then no one like notices.
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And I mean, I think people do notice, but like, it's all
horrible. It happens a lot.
If you're going to do it while you drop an IKEA.
Well, I guess the point is like,I'm surprised it's not more of a
thing because it is, like you said, it is very much a thing at
dog parks. I'm surprised it's not more of a
thing at IKEA's and stuff. Yeah.
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Man, we don't have to worry about it.
So the reason that you are tired, the reason that you are
exhausted, I mean, it's for, it's for good things.
Let's be honest. Let's be transparent like.
Oh yeah, I was planning on lying.
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Do you have another glass of cold brew?
No. Go ahead.
Go ahead. Anyway, it's for.
Good things. It's for a good thing.
We're going to be fully transparent on that.
You did two really awesome things in the past.
Two, take that you need to like go flush out the cold brew for a
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second. I don't know how you counteract
cold brew, take sleeping meds, or drink wine.
I don't. Know yeah, you take a
depressant. You first went to the Sundance
Film Festival in in Park City, UT and this was your second
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time. Third time.
Third time. Third time, Wow, you were there
for like a good portion of the festival.
It's two week festival, right? Yeah.
And you got to see most of it. What was it like?
What did you see? Yeah, I was there for 9 days.
What? We saw 11 feature film
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screenings and then like 10 shorts and also went to some
panels, some networking events, some after parties.
A crater. A crater.
Yeah, there's a crater in Utah where you can like, swim in it.
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So we did that one of the days too.
But otherwise it was a bunch of networking events, a ton of
screenings, a ton of shorts, andit was awesome.
It was just a whirlwind, a lot apacked schedule if you.
It was also freezing and you were like closest to the moon on
Earth in terms of elevation. Yeah, it was at like 7200 feet
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elevation. So I did have elevation sickness
on a mild scale. I had the headache every day.
It's like really hard to walk uphill.
You get winded really easily. And it was below 30° most of the
time. Yeah, that's cold.
That's. Very cold.
You got to. Poor circulation.
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It was difficult. You got to go to what the better
part of a dozen screenings whileyou were there.
Yeah, 11, I said. And and you somehow walked away
from them all in one piece. Like we've talked about before,
sometimes you have a hard time watching a movie because it puts
you in a funk. And you made it through.
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I did make it through. I don't know why it's easier for
me to let it go with God when I don't like a movie at Sundance.
I think it's just a different mental framing of the festival.
There was 1 bad egg, one bad apple that was just a real
stinker in the 11. The other ones I I was rating
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them the whole time and I was giving them out of five stars.
I was like OK three stars, 4 1/2stars, 5 stars, 4 stars.
Nothing ever got below a three star.
And then the one movie I just really hated and everyone hated
it and I think I fell asleep in it like 4 times.
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It was bad do. You remember which one it was.
Yeah, it's called The Friends House is here, and it's
unfortunately, I really wanted to like it.
And the whole reason we went to it is because it's a Iranian
filmmaker and it's in, it's all like subtitled and it's a female
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director. And they had to smuggle the film
out of Iran to edit it because of how difficult it is there.
And so we went to support it andI really wanted to like it.
And the movie should have been 8minutes long.
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And unfortunately it was 100 minutes long.
It was about 92 minutes of dead air and also just really
overwhelming. They had a lot of people talking
over each other the whole time, but it was subtitled so you're.
Trying to keep track. Your eyes are trying to keep
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track of who's like. Yeah, that's hard.
It was really, really overwhelming and pretty
pointless and bad. But there was also like really,
really, really great movies and I'm really excited for everyone
to see the invite when it comes out in theaters.
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A 24 just bought it. It's Olivia Wilde, and she
directed and acted in it and Seth Rogen, penélope Cruz and
Edward Norton. It's only those four.
It's at in one location in an apartment.
It's shot in chronological order, like a play, and it was
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so so so funny. And also I cried twice.
You texted me when you got out of it and said that it changed
your brain chemistry. That's that's a big statement.
It was so good. And this is one that I saw on
the news while you were there 'cause a big bidding war, I
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think it ended at 8:24 for 10 million bucks.
And Olivia Wilde wanted it to goto theaters, which is really
cool. So I'm excited to see it.
I'm really excited that she wanted to go to theaters.
I think it's a crowd pleaser. It is mostly really funny.
There was like, you know, poignant parts.
So. But I didn't go into a funk.
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And I think, I don't know. I like that it was a simple
concept. It's just like a married couple
whose upstairs neighbors come over for dinner.
I love that and you said it takes place in like 1 room and
everything. One apartment.
Or one apartment, which is awesome.
Yeah. Like on paper it's sometimes
that sounds like really scary, like it's going to be too artsy
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fartsy that it's in one location.
But I think that's really cool to be able to do that and make
it like a a story that grabs your attention that entire time.
Yeah, it was cool. Was there any screening at the
Film Festival? Maybe the one you just mentioned
a second ago where at the end itfeels like the oxygen was sucked
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out of the room and everybody's like, oh, that was a swing in a
mess. No, because at Sundance, I feel
like everyone is. There's always going to be a
section of the room that's down,even if it's bad, you know what
I mean? Like for some reason there's
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always a section of the room that's like, wait, I loved it.
Even if it's objectively horrible.
There was in the short screenings.
So in the shorts, I feel like there's a lot of people that are
like, this is my first ever timebeing in a Film Festival with my
project. This is really exciting.
Which literally I would kill to have a short at Sundance.
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So like I would do the same thing but for the short
screenings. They put 5 shorts in one block.
They show them in blocks of five.
And so you have the director like they don't pay for people
to get there. Like usually they pay for like
one or two people or something. I think if you get in the
festival or, or you have to pay your own way, I don't know.
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But you usually have like the whole cast, the director,
producers, whatever, are all sitting in the room.
And there's five shorts in this block.
So it's directors, producers andcasts from all of them or like
families of those people 'cause they're all excited.
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So I was noticing that the, the rowdiness level of the short
screenings were like crazy whereevery single time a new short
would start, people would be like hollering like like almost
like talking through the beginning or the end.
And like it was getting a bit much.
And I was like, OK. And then one of the screenings
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there was children in the back. And I was.
Like so for theirs, in the blockfor theirs, it's like, OK, it's
your kids. You're watching your short film,
whatever your kid wants to screech through it, that's your
own. That's your problem.
But then the rest of the shorts in that block had to have that
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dumb ass kid in the back making sound.
And I'm like, OK, well, no one wanted your kid here for theirs.
Yeah, that sucks. I think there should have been a
rule, and I thought there was atSundance of like 18 and up or
something, but I don't know if there actually is a rule or if
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it's an unspoken societal rule because I guess you can
technically bring a kid into anymovie theater.
Yeah, maybe it's just frowned upon for some that are like
rated R and stuff, which is so funny.
Like I, I had this thought the other day actually when I was
thinking about movies because when I was a kid, like, I was
very, very aware of like what a movie was rated because that's
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when I knew how I was allowed tosee it, right?
PG, PG-13 or you had to have a parent come with you if you
weren't that age or get to get into a rated R movie and
whatever. Now I don't feel like anybody
gives a shit about that and likekids are just watching whatever
they want on Netflix no matter what it's rated.
It's so weird. I think that's because of TikTok
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because parents are like whatever, I can't control what
they see anyways so I might as well just take him to see this
movie. Yeah, totally.
And it's so funny that you mentioned like the, I think it
makes sense that in the short screenings, like there's friends
and family in there that are cheering it on and everything.
And to some extent, I think that's super fun and like, you
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know, kind of festive. But I, I, one time years ago, I
went to a friends and family screening of Fantastic Four, the
one with Miles Teller, which is a horrible movie.
It's like one of the worst comicbook movies of all time.
And it was on the Fox lot with like people who worked on the
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movie. And when the credits rolled and
the lights turned on, there was just absolute silence.
And except for one person in theback that went and I was like,
Oh my God, like the I had felt like the air had got sucked out
of the room. It was rough.
I don't even know. Did I see that?
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I don't even know. Probably not.
It was so bad you also got to experience it at Sundance.
One of our collective favorite things, AQ and a a good old Q&A
where people only ask the best questions.
OPS Whenever I went to Sundance,one of the first two times I saw
a whiplash with Miles Teller. That's a great movie.
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It was a great movie. Great.
Movie yeah, Q&A is historically are the worst thing ever and
only the only people that ever raised their hands are the
people that need attention and have the worst possible question
to ask. And one a person asked Olivia
Wilde. Why do you do what you do?
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And I almost unzipped my skin and left.
Just like I, it's just kind of abasic.
Question about the movie Don't ask her.
That's like, why do you wake up in the morning?
Right. What do you how do you define
success? So stupid.
Yeah. Someone find me a Dumber
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question I beg of you. I it's like is ChatGPT giving
the interview or Q&A or are we human people that just watched
her movie and could think of a more specific fucking question
for this Q&A? It's a waste because then the
people with actually good questions didn't get called on
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or don't raise their hand because they're just mortified
to be a human being in the room at that point.
Like I thought of good questionsbut would I ever raise my hand?
No, because I don't want to be associated with these.
How many questions? I've never, I have never ever
been in AQ and A and been like huh?
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That was a thoughtful, short, concise and lovely question that
I did want to know the answer to.
Never once. I have never like I I enjoy.
Like. For example, you took me to see
the Dumb and Dumber 30th anniversary screening.
There was AQ and a with the directors after moderated by a
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person who knows a lot about themovie and movies in general at
this theater. They asked like did a little
interview afterwards. I like when they do that.
Like I like when the people on stage are having their own
thing. It's when you involve the
audience. Yes.
When the audience gets there 15 seconds of fame that they think
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they're all self important in the room.
Yeah. You know what?
I wanted to know how Olivia Wilde balanced directing herself
was the main actress of the film.
Do you think I got a fucking chance to hear that?
No. How could you even ask that if
you don't know why she does whatshe does?
You're right, you know. What a silly what a silly
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question. Oh, someone else asked her.
What are your favorite 90s comedies?
That one I understand. I don't.
Does it have shit to do with this current moment?
Yeah, I could like that. That's how how those informed
this movie. I get that one.
I That one's not too bad. OK.
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Are you OK? Did you glitch out?
What happened? The Airpods stop working again.
Whatever. If you want to cosign that,
that's whatever. I'm like, ask about the movie we
just saw. No one can think of a fucking
question about the piece of content we just watched.
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We have to ask her what her favorite color is.
That's different. That's different.
It's like when people ask, you know, authors who their favorite
author is, comics who their favorite comic is, musicians who
their favorite musician is. You know what one of my least
favorite questions on the planetis?
What? Who my favorite comedians are.
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OK, that's you. I think that's subjective.
Universal. OK, You just want me to agree
with everything you said today, OK, Yes, you're.
Correct about that. Would you ever go to Sundance
again? Did you?
Did you enjoy? Yeah, yeah, I would.
I'm jealous. I would love if I had unlimited
money. I would just go every year.
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Yeah, it's I've never been to a Film Festival.
I really want to go. It's really fun and the energy
is really cool and you just leave feeling really inspired
and it's just like a really creative space to be in.
So it's cool. I really, I really liked it.
I think with any amount of networking, sometimes you you
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run into the people that just want to know who you are or get
something from you, you know? Yeah.
And if they, if they realize they don't need anything from
you, you see them check out and look around the room and like,
look at who else they could go say hi to.
And those moments are always demoralizing.
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But I don't know, I had a weird amount of people actually show
me their pictures of their kids.Like I was networking with.
It's obviously OK. So I went to this house party
that had like 300 people from Sundance.
Jesus Christ. And it was absolutely insane.
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I was networking with like I think like 3 different dudes in
a row, like all in this one areaand all very nice.
A couple of them knew each othertalking to them.
And I think I mentioned you likeI think I mentioned I'm married
and stuff. Like it's not like it's not like
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it was a house party vibe where it was like, oh, everyone's like
mingling like like dudes are being flirty.
No, like it's not like I expect anything weird or like off
putting with these guys, but I didn't expect people to be like,
here's pictures of my kids. Like there's a middle ground
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between like just being way too yeah, yeah, whatever.
And then way too business. And then now I'm looking at your
children. Like I was like, that's cool and
everything, but like, can we getback to just like talking about
the industry? People are very, very aggressive
when it comes to sharing photos of the kids.
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I don't know. I was like, I just met you and
like, I don't care. I think it's a way like if I'm,
I'm not, I'm not pro, but if, ifI had to guess, I would think it
would be a way that people connect to one another.
Like when they run out of thingsto talk about, they're like, oh,
there's probably a 75% chance that this person I'm meeting for
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the first time also has kids. And maybe this can be something
we can talk about for half a second.
But it is but at a house party, kind of a kind of a lame move.
I don't know. Well, I was like, how am I just
finding like all these middle-aged dads to network
with? You know what I mean?
And I, I think I, I realized, like, I think that for these
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dudes, it had been a long time since they've been in a party
environment and they like don't know what to talk about besides
their kids. And then I didn't know how to
talk about. I was like, Kay.
Why do you think that? That's weird.
I. Don't.
Yes. And the child thing.
So I was like, oh cool. I do think men and women differ
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in that environment pretty significantly because whenever
moms go out, it's like, this is like the one or two times this
year that we're able to have a few drinks, let loose, do some
dancing and have a good time. And like, moms will like, have
fun. And dads are like, I don't know
how to do this anymore. Yeah, maybe it was just
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interesting because I was like, OK, well, OK.
Do you want to exchange emails like because I think they were
expecting me to be like, oh, cute.
And I was like, oh. Do you need to like create a
fake child for these moments? I don't know.
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No, I can't get too deep in a lie.
I can't. We've been down that road, we've
been down that road and you know, I'm not going to say too
much right now, but it does worksometimes.
It does. We should eventually share that
story. Yeah, we'll have an update on
that eventually, but I don't want to put bad karma out there.
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I want it to happen. First, fine, I got really deep
in a but here's the teaser for two months from now.
I got pretty deep in a white lie, but it worked out and I got
myself a booking. I don't know.
Let me let me revise that telling of the story just
slightly. You got caught in a lie.
Triple down on it. And then it still worked.
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Created a fake e-mail you're. One step away from filing an
LLC, That's all we'll say. Yeah, but we'll tell the the
tell all. We'll tell the tell all in a
couple of months. I don't know.
I just realized how dumb that sounded.
OK, fucking cold brew. This is the cold brew effect I'm
telling you. I don't.
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So you went from Sundance landed, went straight into
Grammys mode. Yeah, Grammys mode again.
I you, yes, you're exhausted. But like, these are cool things.
These are cool things, things that we that I couldn't afford
to do if we had a child to take care of.
Hell no. The expendable income for these
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things coming in handy. Coming in handy.
Also producing a short film in acouple weeks.
Wouldn't be able to do that if we had mouths to feed.
No, I mean, we do have, we do have mouths to feed, yeah, and
they're arguably more expensive than kids sometimes.
But yes, the point remains. But yeah, the Grammys were
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really fun. No children were at those.
Thank God. It was funny, though.
Like people don't know how to behave like it's live TV and
Trevor Noah multiple times had to be like, get out of the way
of the camera. We're live, guys, sit down.
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I'm like, how old are you people'cause you're acting like you're
8 and your parent has to tell you to get out of the way of the
fucking live television camera. Your head is in the way.
And they, like, scream over the thing.
They're like going live in 30 seconds.
Everyone take your seats, take your seats, clear the aisles,
clear the aisles. And like, they're producing
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multiple music acts. And like, it's like a giant
concert all night. And there's moving pieces and
cameras and hosts and whatever. And like, still grown adults
don't know how to fucking behavein public.
And there's like celebrities just fully in the way of a live,
live TV shot. So it was just miserable then?
No, I came out of it more of a belieber than ever.
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That was Justin Bieber's performance.
I I will say at first thrown offguard and didn't know what to
think and then upon second viewing really enjoyed.
Really. Were you distracted by the
boxers? I just, I was talking about this
with another person. I think that he just doesn't
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seem like he's having a good time, and I really want Justin
Bieber to be OK. Yeah, he seems like a deeply
tortured person. Yeah.
And I think though, that I got his, his energy seemed really
actually plugged into the room because I think it's really
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weird to be performing for a room of your peers.
So weird, and it's also like thehardest audience ever.
The front like 100 people are all like I mean half of them are
probably involved in all the ditty stuff like honestly it's
(38:54):
crazy and he probably hates halfof them.
Half of them are like MAGA, like, I don't know, vibes were
weird and it is a very like vainaudience that's like all
consumed with themselves self important thinking they're the
(39:16):
ones that deserve the award or like it's weird if you know
they're nominated and like they think they deserve it or I have
14 Grammys so I'm sitting closerto the stage than you.
You only have one Grammy. Like it's very, it's a, it's an
interesting energy to observe. And I kind of loved that he was
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like, fuck all of you and like everything that you're wearing
and who you're styled by. I'm wearing my fucking boxers
and I can sing circles around all of you.
That's a good point. And I was like hell yeah and
like you didn't give a fuck about giving them a show cause
(39:57):
no one's gonna stand up and singanyways cause all the
celebrities are too cool to stand up and sing and vibe.
What? What was it we were watching?
Was it the was it? I don't know what it was.
It was the SNL music thing when they did the 50th.
Yeah, Miley Cyrus was like, are you serious?
Yes, And everybody in like the front row is just standing
there. It's a little bit like, and not
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to draw comparisons to comedy about everything, but like would
why don't you say in your experience that like, performing
for a room full of comedians is the worst?
It's the fucking worst. And in their head, they're
judging you actively the whole time.
So you know that they're like, if you miss a note when in your
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performance, they're all like, Iwouldn't have missed that note.
And it's like, really, well, you're sitting there and I'm
performing. So yeah, it's it's I thought it
was like such a fuck you to the like energy of the room, the
judge mental energy. And I was like, hell yeah.
Because there's also so much pressure.
He hasn't performed at the Grammys in I forget how many
(41:02):
years. They said it was like 15 years
or something insane. He hasn't performed at the
Grammys in so long that I think there was probably also a lot of
pressure for him to be like do some huge spectacle.
And he was kind of like, absolutely not, Nope, I'm going
to not do a spectacle. And I thought that was so cool.
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And also I think it made me realize being there in person,
the people that do a big spectacle are the ones that have
a bunch of technical issues. And the people that just sit at
a piano, like Lola did messy andshe just sat at the piano and
fucking killed it. That was really cool.
But the people that do a big spectacle unfortunately RIP to
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Alex Warren's ego because did it.
I don't know if on TV you could tell, but he was singing his own
song out of time. Yeah, but that wasn't his fault.
That wasn't. No, it wasn't.
It wasn't I, And you could tell in the room, it wasn't like you
knew in the moment it was not his fault, but it was.
He tried to do like this huge thing where he walked in and
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went on this like thing that raised him up over the audience.
And like, you just have to think, was it those logistics
that made it echo because he wasin a different spot in the room?
I think it was just bad luck because everybody else it was
his in ear monitor that was giving it.
Like he plays a sample of it on his TikTok.
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You should go listen to it. It's like I.
Know I saw it. It's so it it's there was an app
like a couple years ago or like it was a TikTok trend to try and
talk at like one second delayed.When you hear yourself, it FS
you up. And I think that for whatever
reason, somebody just hit the wrong button on that mix.
It could have happened to anybody all night and it just
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happened to happen to him. I know, and it's sad because
then the rest of the the best art, best new artist category,
like they all performed in a rowand it only happened to him.
And you could see it on his facetoo, when they when he like
right when he was finished and they held on him for a second
and he was just like looked catatonic.
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He did candle. It was so much grace, though.
Yeah, it was clear that it wasn't his fault.
It just sucks. Yeah, and he's performed that
song live a number of times and killed it.
So it's like, but I do, I do think like the new, seeing the
new artist medley, I kind of felt similar to the Justin
Bieber thing where you're newer artist performing in a room full
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of people that are largely crossing their arms and going
impress me kid. And I thought all of them came
out with a ton of confidence andreally killed it.
It was cool to see. Yeah.
Did you think that like it was kind of quiet?
People always say the Grammys iskind of quiet 'cause they have
to not make it too loud for TV. Like the actual sound of the
(43:53):
performances. Yeah.
No, that's good loud. It was like a full concert.
Like that's dope. That's great.
Full. Full.
Yeah. I thought it was going to be
muted because it's for mostly for TV.
The like floor was shaking. That's awesome.
There were a couple points whereI was like, are we near a
speaker? The answer is probably yes.
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Yeah, so it was cool. I don't know if I've ever been
to crypto.com before. I think it's really, really,
really fucking weird to name a building after a website.
That's pretty common now, but you and I have been there a
couple of times together. Oh then fine, I guess I have.
It used to be Staples Center. OK, well, I guess I've been
(44:41):
there. Yeah, that's where we saw the
Red Hot Chili Peppers concert and got 2 drinks and it was like
$85. Oh yeah, yeah.
And we've seen Kings games and stuff there, but, well, that's
cool. Would you go to the Grammys
again? Yeah, I think, you know, I
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brought flats in my purse to change into, which I did on hour
11 of the day, but then it's awkward 'cause you're carrying
your heels. So at an after party is when I
did it. So I would definitely do that
again. And I think it'd just be cool to
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go back. Certainly when I have a friend
that's nominated, 'cause I thinkthat'll probably happen someday,
'cause it's like cool when you're invested in like who's
gonna win? And like if you can cheer when
they get their name called to benominated and stuff.
So 'cause I was, I watched the non televised part for like 3 or
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4 hours before the televised part and it was really cool to
see people all together like screaming for their friends that
were nominated. And I think it'd be cool to go
back when that's the case. Yeah, that, that would be
awesome. But it is a big ordeal and it is
like, I will say it's just like really chaotic energy all day.
(46:13):
Like everyone's like in chaos. So you just have to be prepared
and buckled in. There's so many people in
attendance. Like you said, it's at it's at a
big arena and like a lot of the public is allowed too.
And it's just a lot of it's a lot of people, lot of logistics,
a lot of red carpets, a lot of alot of human bodies.
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That's cool though. You got to go. 2 very fun
experiences. Yeah.
Would be a waste to bring a child to.
Well, yeah, and also, sorry to ruin the magic for anyone, but
you have to, like, buy a ticket to the Grammys even if you're a
celebrity. So it is like the price of a
(46:54):
concert. It makes.
Sense because I am seeing like 10 celebrities perform top 20
hits of the year basically so and it's like a curated thing,
but yeah, no one just gets to gofor free, even if you're in the
(47:16):
recording Academy like my friendis.
Yeah, it's everyone has to pay asituation, but a lot of people
do assume that you would get in for free.
That's not the case, but you mentioned your favorite.
Well, I think it was your favorite movie at Sundance.
The invite Seth Rogen is in that.
He was just on The Kelly Clarkson Show and we've talked
(47:38):
about how much we love Seth Rogen and how much he is a
staunch supporter. Of.
The No kid movement he was on. Yeah, the DINK life.
He was on the Kelly Clarkson Show and she asked him about it
again. Two years you've been open about
not wanting kids. So is this still a thing?
I still don't know. I still don't want kids.
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Yeah. Why?
Why? Like, you just never saw
yourself down. You just like your time.
It doesn't seem that fun. I can see how it seems that way.
Yeah, it really does not. It doesn't seem fun.
And most of my friends who are parents, God bless them, spend a
lot of their time talking about how much they don't like having
kids. And what me and my wife spend a
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lot of time talking about is howmuch fun stuff we can do because
we don't have kids. I think that that's actually
pretty. Oh, how awesome is that?
We I wanted to hear more. Whatever.
Well, that was when the clip ended.
Our friend Eduardo sent sent us that on Instagram.
Thank you, Eduardo. That's so good, I love Seth.
Rogen so much. I love him so much.
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I'm like, it's crazy because I love Kelly too, but you could
hear that she was like, why? Yeah, I know.
Why not? She actually just announced
today that she's ending her showto spend more time with her
kids, more time with her we. Could have had more Kelly
Clarkson if not for her stupid kids.
Well, full context that that family has been through a lot,
(49:05):
so kind of understand. But yeah, the irony of that.
What have they been there? I guess I got to Google it.
It's OK real quick before we go,I thought this was an
interesting question I saw pop up on the DINK life Reddit
thread and it was somebody who said quick question for my
fellow Dinks. I'm a graduate student doing
(49:26):
some preliminary research for mythesis centered on mental load.
First of all, how do you have a thesis centered on mental load?
That's kind of interesting. The thesis is around mental load
and how it differs in deep couples versus those who have
children. Pretty interesting.
Oh my. God.
How do you and your partner keeptrack of what needs to get done
(49:47):
around the house? Is it lists apps, shared
calendars, mental notes, talkingout loud?
Are there parts of running a household that feel more
mentally annoying that you expected, even without having
children in the meds? I thought it was an interesting
question because I'm sure everybody has a different
approach. And I was talking to somebody
about this at work today and they very much have with their
(50:10):
partner like assigned chores. And we have never really done
that. Like we just kind of, there's
certain things that I think it'sgotten to a point where it's
like not spoken about, but understood that I do this or you
do that. But I think for the most part it
just kind of like we figure it out.
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The only thing that we do that Ithink most people would be
caught off guard by is we still do our own laundry.
Like I'll do my clothes and you'll do your own.
Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, laundry is a nightmare.
Why would I do extra? I know I feel the same way like
I love you and I would if you need me to start the dryer for
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you or you know sometimes I offer to take your stuff out and
you do the same for me but like.Sure, I'll I'll swap it from the
washer to the dryer or take it out of the dryer.
But I'm not folding and putting away your stuff.
But also that's literally a function of I don't want you
putting my stuff in the wrong place and I don't want to put
(51:13):
your stuff in the wrong place. And then we can never find the
shirt again. Right.
It's just kind of it. And I feel like it has never
been a thing in our relationshipand and and neither of us have
tried to make it a thing and I'mtotally comfortable.
With that and also mental load wise, it's because it's
different. If I was a stay at home like dog
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mom, it it's different. If I was like a homemaker, then
I should definitely do all the laundry and like have much more
of the household load. But our schedules are so
fluctuating like all the time where I'm out of town or I'm
here or my schedule's this or I have a show or whatever.
And like we have such different schedules constantly that if we
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kept the same assigned chores, like that's impossible because
if my assigned chore is that I take the garbage cans out every
week and I'm gone, then you've then you're assigned chore.
Like what happens then? It is funny you mention that
because the couple I'm referringto from work, they don't have
any kids. They're very busy people as
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well. The one travels a lot for work
and they have assigned chores. OK, OK, I mean we can do that if
you want, but. I know I'm not.
I'm not. I want to be very clear.
I'm not making the pitch for it.I just think it's.
Do you think it would be easier though?
Like. No, I don't.
I think I. Think it would be?
The slack when we need to. Yeah.
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And there's sometimes where I have heavy left and there's
sometimes where you have a left like it's.
Like walking the dogs. Like some weeks I walk them all
week because you have to go to work early everyday, but then
when I was gone for 10 days you walked them everyday obviously.
Right. But it I think it all comes out
(53:01):
in the wash, no pun intended, because we'd wash our own
clothes. Lol or like yeah usually if you
make dinner I clean the dishes. Like we try to just even it out.
I don't. Know I also, I got to be honest,
I just don't care. I really don't like I'm not and
I don't think that you do it. Like if if one of us was going
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out of our way to make each other's lives miserable, that's
one thing. But like, I just don't even
really care. You know, there's never been a
moment even on the like, especially on the laundry stuff.
I'm like, I wish that she would do.
It's like, no, laundry sucks. Doesn't matter if I do it or she
does it. Just horrible.
I literally don't even have timeto do my laundry.
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I definitely don't have time to do yours.
I haven't done my laundry in like I think 3 weeks.
I've noticed. I've noticed you're wearing a
lot of underwear again and againand again.
Disgusting. I'm joking.
But I'm just saying like I haven't done my laundry in three
weeks, at what point am I going to do yours?
Like we're fucked if that's the case.
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Yeah, totally. And I am not.
You would have to just buy new shirts at Target.
Like I I occasionally will offerto like throw your stuff in the
dryer for you, but I'm very nervous about that.
One day you might say yes, because I don't want to be on
the hook if I shrink everything and I will shrink everything.
No, not happening. Exactly, thought it was an
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interesting thought though. I mean, if it works better for
people and they feel less stressed, then that's great to
share the mental load, but also like the mental load of people
without children versus with children.
Like I'm saying, I don't have time for my laundry.
At what point would I have time to do children's laundry?
I would just toss it. I mean, it's like, you know,
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it's like the size of. A.
How much could it cost? How much could it?
How much is a banana? Michael $10 anyway?
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Oh my God, can't even hear you. They like avocado toast and
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(01:03):
So when are you having kids? God that would be a really
terrible game show. Which actually leads me to my
first thought this week on the DINK side.
I just started last night watching a little mini docu
(01:24):
series on Hulu, and I think it'scalled Dirty Talk.
I think something like that. Just wait, Just wait.
I think it's called Dirty Talk, but it's about talk shows in the
80s and 90s that were like JerrySpringer and all of those kind
of raunchy shows and how they started off with well,
(01:45):
intentions of like feelings and relationship advice and all
these things. But then just ended up being in
the zone of like, well, the lie detector test determined you are
not the father. And I just, you know, I'm glad,
glad we don't have to be on one of those, I guess is my point.
A paternity test on TV. Yes, you know the ones I'm
(02:09):
talking about, right? Sure.
Where people would air like their dirty laundry.
I think that's why it's called dirty talk.
Yeah, OK. I digress, it's a pretty
interesting series on. Hulu, listen, I know we don't
like to compare to people with children, but I'm going to do
(02:34):
it. I think I'm as tired as someone
that hasn't a newborn child. I think I am as tired as someone
that has had a newborn baby for two weeks.
I am so tired. I don't even know I I'm so tired
(02:54):
I feel drunk. Is that?
Yeah, you do seem kind of drunk.Whatever.
I'm tired from doing a lot of things that do not include
taking care of a human life. Including your own.
No, no, I would like to assert. Actually the new thing I would
like to assert is I am my own child.
(03:18):
Ah, I like that. And I think that's what this
episode should be called. I am my own child.
I'll write that down right now. I am my own child.
I birthed me. I don't know I that doesn't even
make sense. Yeah, you really are drunk,
aren't you? Oh my God.
I've lost the plot and I'd like to also just tell you state for
(03:40):
the record, I have had three cups of cold brew today.
Well, there's the problem. No.
And two of those cups were in the last 90 minutes.
What do you mean? Where's the?
There's the problem. That's the.
Problem here, this is what people do.
Like they, they, they're like, oh, I'm tired.
I need to slam the caffeine. That will only make you more
(04:02):
tired as you. Want.
Yes. That's not true.
She will crash. Yeah, the one from this morning,
sure, but I had two cups in the last 90 minutes.
I should be jazzed and amped forthis podcast.
It was for the greater good. I had shit, I had shit, I had
(04:23):
shit to do. I am doing shit and I have more
shit to do after this. OK, a lot of shit to do.
That's the lesson here. But I'm just saying like I tried
for the greater good of everyoneto caffeinate.
No, that's the thing. It's it's not for the greater
good when you caffeinate. When I I get I, I am a turd.
(04:48):
When I get over caffeinated I get really pissed off.
Are you? So what are you trying to say?
Well, if the shoe fits, you know, I guess that's what I'm
trying to say. Oh yeah, because my computer
didn't restart itself four timesand refused to connect to my
Airpods that it's going to my I'm not patient enough to be a
(05:09):
parent. Obviously we've this is well
established, but I almost just put a bullet through everything.
I almost did. I almost did a double.
What is it called? A murder, A double homicide,
suicide. What is it?
I think you're inventing something.
That murder suicide there, your double homicide suicide, that's
Jesus. It's getting dark.
(05:30):
I do not drink cold brew anymore.
No, I almost did a murder suicide with my laptop and my
Airpods because I was about to hold them in front of the barrel
and then put me on the other end.
Let's all go out together because I've connected my
Airpods. I've connected my Airpods to
(05:51):
this fucking laptop for, I don'tknow, two years?
Once a week at least minimum, maybe possibly four times a week
depending on work meetings. And today it said impossible to
connect, never connected. Accessory doesn't support
connection. Hello.
Here's the thing I here's what Iwas about to say.
(06:13):
Let me finish my point before you triple somicide me.
I was about to say, you have a lot of technology related rage,
more than the average person where you go from zero to blind
in about one second because it'sjust like what do you mean it
doesn't fucking work? Which is hilarious because you
(06:36):
also never update your computer and keep all your Chrome tabs
open and like you kind of ask for it to an extent.
OK, let me finish. Well hold on, hang on.
Before you quadruple homicide meand I was going to say and let
me finish, I was going to say that I have a lot of tech
patience. However, I was also the person 2
(06:56):
days ago. We were trying to edit a video
on our computer and it slugged the computer down and I almost
threw the keyboard out the window.
I start slamming things. It's frustrating.
Technology is frustrating. Yeah, you almost like took out
the dogs 'cause they itched or did some sound while you were
like having a technology issue with the computer.
(07:18):
And I'm like, OK, relax, you're exploding now.
Also, how dare you. This is victim blaming from you.
Literally roll back the tapes right now.
Play back your own voice to yourself.
Victim blaming. I just said that my shit didn't
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connect. My Airpods didn't connect to my
computer like they have 7000 times before.
Same Airpods, same computer and my fucking shit restarted itself
four times and got frozen and you just victim blamed.
You said it's because I don't update my computer and I have
tabs open. Hi news flash, Airpods
connecting to Bluetooth has nothing to do with the amount of
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tabs I have open. Yeah, well, it kind of it could
cause the computer. No, it does.
It's. Overwhelmed.
Yeah, it does. It can.
It can. Yeah, that's.
My oh so my bitch ass computer is overwhelmed.
Does it need an anxiety prescription?
Listen, there is. Tabs I have open.
You are way too infused with cold brew right now.
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We are looking at a triple, quadruple homicide, murder,
suicide situation. I'd like to assert the fact that
I'm in fact, I don't have enoughcold brew in me.
Oh God help us. No, I don't think we're going to
need the National Guard to be activated if we give you another
class of cold brew technology can be truly frustrating though,
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but I I this is. We've talked about this.
I am not. I literally said that I almost
destroyed our computer the otherday.
You're taking your tech rage outon me, woman.
I was going to say that I alwayshelps.
When you say woman to someone, that always helps.
Oh my God, I didn't say all women.
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I didn't say because you're a woman you need to pump the
brakes. Have no more cold brew, please.
I was going to say in. Reverse What if I was like
Bluetooth doesn't have anything to do with this man?
That'd be fine. That's what people say.
No, it's so weird. OK, well, whatever there's we'll
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roll back the tapes on that again.
What I was going to say is we'vetalked many times about how I
would not have enough patience to be a parent and I would also
not have enough patience to workin customer service.
And I think my worst case scenario job would be working at
the Geek Squad at Best Buy or the Genius Bar at the Apple
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Store because. Really.
Yeah, because you got to know, like, on one hand, you could
tell somebody how to, like, savea Word document and they think
your Mother Teresa. On the other hand, it would.
It would frustrate the living crap out of me, I think.
Are you sure? Because you help my mom all the
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time with technology stuff and you also like the satisfaction
of like problem solving, like quickly getting something fixed
and then you're like, oh, done, I got it.
We did it. I do, but I also have witnessed
how shitty people are in those situations.
And like, I remember one time when I was a kid, I went with
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one of my uncles to like upgradehis cell phone And they had to.
It was back in the days where you, it was all SIM cards and
you had to like plug your phone into the new phone to transfer
all your contacts and all that. And I thought he was going to
take the, the poor guy out because it didn't happen in nine
seconds. And I just kind of, I would not
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be able to do it. There's no way.
Yeah. Like that's got to be.
And then they have them like at the Apple Store, they have them
like teaching classes and stuff.I don't know.
I couldn't do it. Teaching classes.
Yeah, they'll teach like today for an hour.
We're going to. We're going to show you how to
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set up your toolbar. And it's like, OK, well, God,
where's what's at 8:00? Watching paint dry.
Oh yeah, when we went to fix my phone, there was children
learning how to animate on an iPad.
Yeah, yeah, that's my, that's exactly right.
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Also hey I'll say it, Apple Store, you have enough money.
Shark Tank, we need a daycare orchildren's section like IKEA has
a daycare for children, I think,right Where you can drop your
kid off and then shop for furniture instead of your
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children jumping on all their furniture, which why don't more
people take advantage of that also, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait. No, no, no, no.
Hang on, hang. On, hang on, hang on, hang on,
hang on, hang on. I'm not going to say anything.
I'm not going to. I'm not going to get to my
point, but I think we might havejust thought of the same thing
at the same time. Go ahead.
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OK, I was going to say that for the IKEA thing, why don't people
just pretend they're going to look at furniture that's.
What I was going to say, it's such a great idea.
And leave their kid in the in the IKEA like child watch thing.
Or here's the thing. Yes, there's the idea of drop
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your kid off at IKEA. Go see a comedy show at Flappers
Burbank. This is very specific to the
Burbank, the Burbank location ofIKEA.
However, there's other options for you.
Isn't there alcohol at the IKEA cafeteria restaurant thing?
No, no. Oh, because I was going to say,
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isn't it like a food court? Why don't you just go get crunk
at the IKEA bar and then leave your kid at the daycare for
IKEA? They don't currently have a bar,
but I you know they, why not? I mean, it's not that hard to
sneak stuff in your purse. I think you could just go get a
soft serve, get a soda, go crazy, walk through IKEA.
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I I think it's a great idea. And then I would like to assert
that in the Apple Store you theyneed the exact same thing
because guess what's not a placefor children amongst 12?
$100. Phones, iPads, laptops that cost
$2000 there. We saw a a little kid when I was
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getting my phone in my phone case.
RIP a phone case off the fuckingwall and like throw it at the
ground and then she like put it in her mouth and it's like
someone that's, that's a $65 phone case that someone's going
to buy and that kid just had it in their mouth.
And also it's like 100,000 people have touched it.
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It's all gross. And why don't Apple has enough
money? If they have enough money to do
educational classes for childrento animate on an iPad, they have
enough money to have one person in the corner watching them in a
circle. This is actually it's so I it's
terrible. It's a terrible thing to say,
but I really want to run an experiment and drop like a fake
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kid off at IKEA for the day and see how long it takes for them
to call CPS. Also, people do it.
I mean it's horrible and I don'tknow why I'm more upset by this
idea, but people like leave their dog at a dog park and go
to work or something. So there's like like a dog at a
public dog park and then no one like notices.
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And I mean, I think people do notice, but like, it's all
horrible. It happens a lot.
If you're going to do it while you drop an IKEA.
Well, I guess the point is like,I'm surprised it's not more of a
thing because it is, like you said, it is very much a thing at
dog parks. I'm surprised it's not more of a
thing at IKEA's and stuff. Yeah.
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Man, we don't have to worry about it.
So the reason that you are tired, the reason that you are
exhausted, I mean, it's for, it's for good things.
Let's be honest. Let's be transparent like.
Oh yeah, I was planning on lying.
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Do you have another glass of cold brew?
No. Go ahead.
Go ahead. Anyway, it's for.
Good things. It's for a good thing.
We're going to be fully transparent on that.
You did two really awesome things in the past.
Two, take that you need to like go flush out the cold brew for a
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second. I don't know how you counteract
cold brew, take sleeping meds, or drink wine.
I don't. Know yeah, you take a
depressant. You first went to the Sundance
Film Festival in in Park City, UT and this was your second
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time. Third time.
Third time. Third time, Wow, you were there
for like a good portion of the festival.
It's two week festival, right? Yeah.
And you got to see most of it. What was it like?
What did you see? Yeah, I was there for 9 days.
What? We saw 11 feature film
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screenings and then like 10 shorts and also went to some
panels, some networking events, some after parties.
A crater. A crater.
Yeah, there's a crater in Utah where you can like, swim in it.
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So we did that one of the days too.
But otherwise it was a bunch of networking events, a ton of
screenings, a ton of shorts, andit was awesome.
It was just a whirlwind, a lot apacked schedule if you.
It was also freezing and you were like closest to the moon on
Earth in terms of elevation. Yeah, it was at like 7200 feet
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elevation. So I did have elevation sickness
on a mild scale. I had the headache every day.
It's like really hard to walk uphill.
You get winded really easily. And it was below 30° most of the
time. Yeah, that's cold.
That's. Very cold.
You got to. Poor circulation.
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It was difficult. You got to go to what the better
part of a dozen screenings whileyou were there.
Yeah, 11, I said. And and you somehow walked away
from them all in one piece. Like we've talked about before,
sometimes you have a hard time watching a movie because it puts
you in a funk. And you made it through.
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I did make it through. I don't know why it's easier for
me to let it go with God when I don't like a movie at Sundance.
I think it's just a different mental framing of the festival.
There was 1 bad egg, one bad apple that was just a real
stinker in the 11. The other ones I I was rating
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them the whole time and I was giving them out of five stars.
I was like OK three stars, 4 1/2stars, 5 stars, 4 stars.
Nothing ever got below a three star.
And then the one movie I just really hated and everyone hated
it and I think I fell asleep in it like 4 times.
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It was bad do. You remember which one it was.
Yeah, it's called The Friends House is here, and it's
unfortunately, I really wanted to like it.
And the whole reason we went to it is because it's a Iranian
filmmaker and it's in, it's all like subtitled and it's a female
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director. And they had to smuggle the film
out of Iran to edit it because of how difficult it is there.
And so we went to support it andI really wanted to like it.
And the movie should have been 8minutes long.
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And unfortunately it was 100 minutes long.
It was about 92 minutes of dead air and also just really
overwhelming. They had a lot of people talking
over each other the whole time, but it was subtitled so you're.
Trying to keep track. Your eyes are trying to keep
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track of who's like. Yeah, that's hard.
It was really, really overwhelming and pretty
pointless and bad. But there was also like really,
really, really great movies and I'm really excited for everyone
to see the invite when it comes out in theaters.
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A 24 just bought it. It's Olivia Wilde, and she
directed and acted in it and Seth Rogen, penélope Cruz and
Edward Norton. It's only those four.
It's at in one location in an apartment.
It's shot in chronological order, like a play, and it was
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so so so funny. And also I cried twice.
You texted me when you got out of it and said that it changed
your brain chemistry. That's that's a big statement.
It was so good. And this is one that I saw on
the news while you were there 'cause a big bidding war, I
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think it ended at 8:24 for 10 million bucks.
And Olivia Wilde wanted it to goto theaters, which is really
cool. So I'm excited to see it.
I'm really excited that she wanted to go to theaters.
I think it's a crowd pleaser. It is mostly really funny.
There was like, you know, poignant parts.
So. But I didn't go into a funk.
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And I think, I don't know. I like that it was a simple
concept. It's just like a married couple
whose upstairs neighbors come over for dinner.
I love that and you said it takes place in like 1 room and
everything. One apartment.
Or one apartment, which is awesome.
Yeah. Like on paper it's sometimes
that sounds like really scary, like it's going to be too artsy
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fartsy that it's in one location.
But I think that's really cool to be able to do that and make
it like a a story that grabs your attention that entire time.
Yeah, it was cool. Was there any screening at the
Film Festival? Maybe the one you just mentioned
a second ago where at the end itfeels like the oxygen was sucked
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out of the room and everybody's like, oh, that was a swing in a
mess. No, because at Sundance, I feel
like everyone is. There's always going to be a
section of the room that's down,even if it's bad, you know what
I mean? Like for some reason there's
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always a section of the room that's like, wait, I loved it.
Even if it's objectively horrible.
There was in the short screenings.
So in the shorts, I feel like there's a lot of people that are
like, this is my first ever timebeing in a Film Festival with my
project. This is really exciting.
Which literally I would kill to have a short at Sundance.
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So like I would do the same thing but for the short
screenings. They put 5 shorts in one block.
They show them in blocks of five.
And so you have the director like they don't pay for people
to get there. Like usually they pay for like
one or two people or something. I think if you get in the
festival or, or you have to pay your own way, I don't know.
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But you usually have like the whole cast, the director,
producers, whatever, are all sitting in the room.
And there's five shorts in this block.
So it's directors, producers andcasts from all of them or like
families of those people 'cause they're all excited.
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So I was noticing that the, the rowdiness level of the short
screenings were like crazy whereevery single time a new short
would start, people would be like hollering like like almost
like talking through the beginning or the end.
And like it was getting a bit much.
And I was like, OK. And then one of the screenings
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there was children in the back. And I was.
Like so for theirs, in the blockfor theirs, it's like, OK, it's
your kids. You're watching your short film,
whatever your kid wants to screech through it, that's your
own. That's your problem.
But then the rest of the shorts in that block had to have that
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dumb ass kid in the back making sound.
And I'm like, OK, well, no one wanted your kid here for theirs.
Yeah, that sucks. I think there should have been a
rule, and I thought there was atSundance of like 18 and up or
something, but I don't know if there actually is a rule or if
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it's an unspoken societal rule because I guess you can
technically bring a kid into anymovie theater.
Yeah, maybe it's just frowned upon for some that are like
rated R and stuff, which is so funny.
Like I, I had this thought the other day actually when I was
thinking about movies because when I was a kid, like, I was
very, very aware of like what a movie was rated because that's
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when I knew how I was allowed tosee it, right?
PG, PG-13 or you had to have a parent come with you if you
weren't that age or get to get into a rated R movie and
whatever. Now I don't feel like anybody
gives a shit about that and likekids are just watching whatever
they want on Netflix no matter what it's rated.
It's so weird. I think that's because of TikTok
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because parents are like whatever, I can't control what
they see anyways so I might as well just take him to see this
movie. Yeah, totally.
And it's so funny that you mentioned like the, I think it
makes sense that in the short screenings, like there's friends
and family in there that are cheering it on and everything.
And to some extent, I think that's super fun and like, you
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know, kind of festive. But I, I, one time years ago, I
went to a friends and family screening of Fantastic Four, the
one with Miles Teller, which is a horrible movie.
It's like one of the worst comicbook movies of all time.
And it was on the Fox lot with like people who worked on the
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movie. And when the credits rolled and
the lights turned on, there was just absolute silence.
And except for one person in theback that went and I was like,
Oh my God, like the I had felt like the air had got sucked out
of the room. It was rough.
I don't even know. Did I see that?
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I don't even know. Probably not.
It was so bad you also got to experience it at Sundance.
One of our collective favorite things, AQ and a a good old Q&A
where people only ask the best questions.
OPS Whenever I went to Sundance,one of the first two times I saw
a whiplash with Miles Teller. That's a great movie.
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It was a great movie. Great.
Movie yeah, Q&A is historically are the worst thing ever and
only the only people that ever raised their hands are the
people that need attention and have the worst possible question
to ask. And one a person asked Olivia
Wilde. Why do you do what you do?
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And I almost unzipped my skin and left.
Just like I, it's just kind of abasic.
Question about the movie Don't ask her.
That's like, why do you wake up in the morning?
Right. What do you how do you define
success? So stupid.
Yeah. Someone find me a Dumber
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question I beg of you. I it's like is ChatGPT giving
the interview or Q&A or are we human people that just watched
her movie and could think of a more specific fucking question
for this Q&A? It's a waste because then the
people with actually good questions didn't get called on
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or don't raise their hand because they're just mortified
to be a human being in the room at that point.
Like I thought of good questionsbut would I ever raise my hand?
No, because I don't want to be associated with these.
How many questions? I've never, I have never ever
been in AQ and A and been like huh?
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That was a thoughtful, short, concise and lovely question that
I did want to know the answer to.
Never once. I have never like I I enjoy.
Like. For example, you took me to see
the Dumb and Dumber 30th anniversary screening.
There was AQ and a with the directors after moderated by a
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person who knows a lot about themovie and movies in general at
this theater. They asked like did a little
interview afterwards. I like when they do that.
Like I like when the people on stage are having their own
thing. It's when you involve the
audience. Yes.
When the audience gets there 15 seconds of fame that they think
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they're all self important in the room.
Yeah. You know what?
I wanted to know how Olivia Wilde balanced directing herself
was the main actress of the film.
Do you think I got a fucking chance to hear that?
No. How could you even ask that if
you don't know why she does whatshe does?
You're right, you know. What a silly what a silly
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question. Oh, someone else asked her.
What are your favorite 90s comedies?
That one I understand. I don't.
Does it have shit to do with this current moment?
Yeah, I could like that. That's how how those informed
this movie. I get that one.
I That one's not too bad. OK.
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Are you OK? Did you glitch out?
What happened? The Airpods stop working again.
Whatever. If you want to cosign that,
that's whatever. I'm like, ask about the movie we
just saw. No one can think of a fucking
question about the piece of content we just watched.
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We have to ask her what her favorite color is.
That's different. That's different.
It's like when people ask, you know, authors who their favorite
author is, comics who their favorite comic is, musicians who
their favorite musician is. You know what one of my least
favorite questions on the planetis?
What? Who my favorite comedians are.
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OK, that's you. I think that's subjective.
Universal. OK, You just want me to agree
with everything you said today, OK, Yes, you're.
Correct about that. Would you ever go to Sundance
again? Did you?
Did you enjoy? Yeah, yeah, I would.
I'm jealous. I would love if I had unlimited
money. I would just go every year.
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Yeah, it's I've never been to a Film Festival.
I really want to go. It's really fun and the energy
is really cool and you just leave feeling really inspired
and it's just like a really creative space to be in.
So it's cool. I really, I really liked it.
I think with any amount of networking, sometimes you you
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run into the people that just want to know who you are or get
something from you, you know? Yeah.
And if they, if they realize they don't need anything from
you, you see them check out and look around the room and like,
look at who else they could go say hi to.
And those moments are always demoralizing.
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But I don't know, I had a weird amount of people actually show
me their pictures of their kids.Like I was networking with.
It's obviously OK. So I went to this house party
that had like 300 people from Sundance.
Jesus Christ. And it was absolutely insane.
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I was networking with like I think like 3 different dudes in
a row, like all in this one areaand all very nice.
A couple of them knew each othertalking to them.
And I think I mentioned you likeI think I mentioned I'm married
and stuff. Like it's not like it's not like
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it was a house party vibe where it was like, oh, everyone's like
mingling like like dudes are being flirty.
No, like it's not like I expect anything weird or like off
putting with these guys, but I didn't expect people to be like,
here's pictures of my kids. Like there's a middle ground
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between like just being way too yeah, yeah, whatever.
And then way too business. And then now I'm looking at your
children. Like I was like, that's cool and
everything, but like, can we getback to just like talking about
the industry? People are very, very aggressive
when it comes to sharing photos of the kids.
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I don't know. I was like, I just met you and
like, I don't care. I think it's a way like if I'm,
I'm not, I'm not pro, but if, ifI had to guess, I would think it
would be a way that people connect to one another.
Like when they run out of thingsto talk about, they're like, oh,
there's probably a 75% chance that this person I'm meeting for
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the first time also has kids. And maybe this can be something
we can talk about for half a second.
But it is but at a house party, kind of a kind of a lame move.
I don't know. Well, I was like, how am I just
finding like all these middle-aged dads to network
with? You know what I mean?
And I, I think I, I realized, like, I think that for these
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dudes, it had been a long time since they've been in a party
environment and they like don't know what to talk about besides
their kids. And then I didn't know how to
talk about. I was like, Kay.
Why do you think that? That's weird.
I. Don't.
Yes. And the child thing.
So I was like, oh cool. I do think men and women differ
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in that environment pretty significantly because whenever
moms go out, it's like, this is like the one or two times this
year that we're able to have a few drinks, let loose, do some
dancing and have a good time. And like, moms will like, have
fun. And dads are like, I don't know
how to do this anymore. Yeah, maybe it was just
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interesting because I was like, OK, well, OK.
Do you want to exchange emails like because I think they were
expecting me to be like, oh, cute.
And I was like, oh. Do you need to like create a
fake child for these moments? I don't know.
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No, I can't get too deep in a lie.
I can't. We've been down that road, we've
been down that road and you know, I'm not going to say too
much right now, but it does worksometimes.
It does. We should eventually share that
story. Yeah, we'll have an update on
that eventually, but I don't want to put bad karma out there.
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I want it to happen. First, fine, I got really deep
in a but here's the teaser for two months from now.
I got pretty deep in a white lie, but it worked out and I got
myself a booking. I don't know.
Let me let me revise that telling of the story just
slightly. You got caught in a lie.
Triple down on it. And then it still worked.
(35:35):
Created a fake e-mail you're. One step away from filing an
LLC, That's all we'll say. Yeah, but we'll tell the the
tell all. We'll tell the tell all in a
couple of months. I don't know.
I just realized how dumb that sounded.
OK, fucking cold brew. This is the cold brew effect I'm
telling you. I don't.
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So you went from Sundance landed, went straight into
Grammys mode. Yeah, Grammys mode again.
I you, yes, you're exhausted. But like, these are cool things.
These are cool things, things that we that I couldn't afford
to do if we had a child to take care of.
Hell no. The expendable income for these
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things coming in handy. Coming in handy.
Also producing a short film in acouple weeks.
Wouldn't be able to do that if we had mouths to feed.
No, I mean, we do have, we do have mouths to feed, yeah, and
they're arguably more expensive than kids sometimes.
But yes, the point remains. But yeah, the Grammys were
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really fun. No children were at those.
Thank God. It was funny, though.
Like people don't know how to behave like it's live TV and
Trevor Noah multiple times had to be like, get out of the way
of the camera. We're live, guys, sit down.
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I'm like, how old are you people'cause you're acting like you're
8 and your parent has to tell you to get out of the way of the
fucking live television camera. Your head is in the way.
And they, like, scream over the thing.
They're like going live in 30 seconds.
Everyone take your seats, take your seats, clear the aisles,
clear the aisles. And like, they're producing
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multiple music acts. And like, it's like a giant
concert all night. And there's moving pieces and
cameras and hosts and whatever. And like, still grown adults
don't know how to fucking behavein public.
And there's like celebrities just fully in the way of a live,
live TV shot. So it was just miserable then?
No, I came out of it more of a belieber than ever.
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That was Justin Bieber's performance.
I I will say at first thrown offguard and didn't know what to
think and then upon second viewing really enjoyed.
Really. Were you distracted by the
boxers? I just, I was talking about this
with another person. I think that he just doesn't
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seem like he's having a good time, and I really want Justin
Bieber to be OK. Yeah, he seems like a deeply
tortured person. Yeah.
And I think though, that I got his, his energy seemed really
actually plugged into the room because I think it's really
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weird to be performing for a room of your peers.
So weird, and it's also like thehardest audience ever.
The front like 100 people are all like I mean half of them are
probably involved in all the ditty stuff like honestly it's
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crazy and he probably hates halfof them.
Half of them are like MAGA, like, I don't know, vibes were
weird and it is a very like vainaudience that's like all
consumed with themselves self important thinking they're the
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ones that deserve the award or like it's weird if you know
they're nominated and like they think they deserve it or I have
14 Grammys so I'm sitting closerto the stage than you.
You only have one Grammy. Like it's very, it's a, it's an
interesting energy to observe. And I kind of loved that he was
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like, fuck all of you and like everything that you're wearing
and who you're styled by. I'm wearing my fucking boxers
and I can sing circles around all of you.
That's a good point. And I was like hell yeah and
like you didn't give a fuck about giving them a show cause
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no one's gonna stand up and singanyways cause all the
celebrities are too cool to stand up and sing and vibe.
What? What was it we were watching?
Was it the was it? I don't know what it was.
It was the SNL music thing when they did the 50th.
Yeah, Miley Cyrus was like, are you serious?
Yes, And everybody in like the front row is just standing
there. It's a little bit like, and not
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to draw comparisons to comedy about everything, but like would
why don't you say in your experience that like, performing
for a room full of comedians is the worst?
It's the fucking worst. And in their head, they're
judging you actively the whole time.
So you know that they're like, if you miss a note when in your
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performance, they're all like, Iwouldn't have missed that note.
And it's like, really, well, you're sitting there and I'm
performing. So yeah, it's it's I thought it
was like such a fuck you to the like energy of the room, the
judge mental energy. And I was like, hell yeah.
Because there's also so much pressure.
He hasn't performed at the Grammys in I forget how many
(41:02):
years. They said it was like 15 years
or something insane. He hasn't performed at the
Grammys in so long that I think there was probably also a lot of
pressure for him to be like do some huge spectacle.
And he was kind of like, absolutely not, Nope, I'm going
to not do a spectacle. And I thought that was so cool.
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And also I think it made me realize being there in person,
the people that do a big spectacle are the ones that have
a bunch of technical issues. And the people that just sit at
a piano, like Lola did messy andshe just sat at the piano and
fucking killed it. That was really cool.
But the people that do a big spectacle unfortunately RIP to
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Alex Warren's ego because did it.
I don't know if on TV you could tell, but he was singing his own
song out of time. Yeah, but that wasn't his fault.
That wasn't. No, it wasn't.
It wasn't I, And you could tell in the room, it wasn't like you
knew in the moment it was not his fault, but it was.
He tried to do like this huge thing where he walked in and
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went on this like thing that raised him up over the audience.
And like, you just have to think, was it those logistics
that made it echo because he wasin a different spot in the room?
I think it was just bad luck because everybody else it was
his in ear monitor that was giving it.
Like he plays a sample of it on his TikTok.
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You should go listen to it. It's like I.
Know I saw it. It's so it it's there was an app
like a couple years ago or like it was a TikTok trend to try and
talk at like one second delayed.When you hear yourself, it FS
you up. And I think that for whatever
reason, somebody just hit the wrong button on that mix.
It could have happened to anybody all night and it just
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happened to happen to him. I know, and it's sad because
then the rest of the the best art, best new artist category,
like they all performed in a rowand it only happened to him.
And you could see it on his facetoo, when they when he like
right when he was finished and they held on him for a second
and he was just like looked catatonic.
(43:07):
He did candle. It was so much grace, though.
Yeah, it was clear that it wasn't his fault.
It just sucks. Yeah, and he's performed that
song live a number of times and killed it.
So it's like, but I do, I do think like the new, seeing the
new artist medley, I kind of felt similar to the Justin
Bieber thing where you're newer artist performing in a room full
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of people that are largely crossing their arms and going
impress me kid. And I thought all of them came
out with a ton of confidence andreally killed it.
It was cool to see. Yeah.
Did you think that like it was kind of quiet?
People always say the Grammys iskind of quiet 'cause they have
to not make it too loud for TV. Like the actual sound of the
(43:53):
performances. Yeah.
No, that's good loud. It was like a full concert.
Like that's dope. That's great.
Full. Full.
Yeah. I thought it was going to be
muted because it's for mostly for TV.
The like floor was shaking. That's awesome.
There were a couple points whereI was like, are we near a
speaker? The answer is probably yes.
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Yeah, so it was cool. I don't know if I've ever been
to crypto.com before. I think it's really, really,
really fucking weird to name a building after a website.
That's pretty common now, but you and I have been there a
couple of times together. Oh then fine, I guess I have.
It used to be Staples Center. OK, well, I guess I've been
(44:41):
there. Yeah, that's where we saw the
Red Hot Chili Peppers concert and got 2 drinks and it was like
$85. Oh yeah, yeah.
And we've seen Kings games and stuff there, but, well, that's
cool. Would you go to the Grammys
again? Yeah, I think, you know, I
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brought flats in my purse to change into, which I did on hour
11 of the day, but then it's awkward 'cause you're carrying
your heels. So at an after party is when I
did it. So I would definitely do that
again. And I think it'd just be cool to
(45:30):
go back. Certainly when I have a friend
that's nominated, 'cause I thinkthat'll probably happen someday,
'cause it's like cool when you're invested in like who's
gonna win? And like if you can cheer when
they get their name called to benominated and stuff.
So 'cause I was, I watched the non televised part for like 3 or
(45:52):
4 hours before the televised part and it was really cool to
see people all together like screaming for their friends that
were nominated. And I think it'd be cool to go
back when that's the case. Yeah, that, that would be
awesome. But it is a big ordeal and it is
like, I will say it's just like really chaotic energy all day.
(46:13):
Like everyone's like in chaos. So you just have to be prepared
and buckled in. There's so many people in
attendance. Like you said, it's at it's at a
big arena and like a lot of the public is allowed too.
And it's just a lot of it's a lot of people, lot of logistics,
a lot of red carpets, a lot of alot of human bodies.
(46:33):
That's cool though. You got to go. 2 very fun
experiences. Yeah.
Would be a waste to bring a child to.
Well, yeah, and also, sorry to ruin the magic for anyone, but
you have to, like, buy a ticket to the Grammys even if you're a
celebrity. So it is like the price of a
(46:54):
concert. It makes.
Sense because I am seeing like 10 celebrities perform top 20
hits of the year basically so and it's like a curated thing,
but yeah, no one just gets to gofor free, even if you're in the
(47:16):
recording Academy like my friendis.
Yeah, it's everyone has to pay asituation, but a lot of people
do assume that you would get in for free.
That's not the case, but you mentioned your favorite.
Well, I think it was your favorite movie at Sundance.
The invite Seth Rogen is in that.
He was just on The Kelly Clarkson Show and we've talked
(47:38):
about how much we love Seth Rogen and how much he is a
staunch supporter. Of.
The No kid movement he was on. Yeah, the DINK life.
He was on the Kelly Clarkson Show and she asked him about it
again. Two years you've been open about
not wanting kids. So is this still a thing?
I still don't know. I still don't want kids.
(47:58):
Yeah. Why?
Why? Like, you just never saw
yourself down. You just like your time.
It doesn't seem that fun. I can see how it seems that way.
Yeah, it really does not. It doesn't seem fun.
And most of my friends who are parents, God bless them, spend a
lot of their time talking about how much they don't like having
kids. And what me and my wife spend a
(48:21):
lot of time talking about is howmuch fun stuff we can do because
we don't have kids. I think that that's actually
pretty. Oh, how awesome is that?
We I wanted to hear more. Whatever.
Well, that was when the clip ended.
Our friend Eduardo sent sent us that on Instagram.
Thank you, Eduardo. That's so good, I love Seth.
Rogen so much. I love him so much.
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I'm like, it's crazy because I love Kelly too, but you could
hear that she was like, why? Yeah, I know.
Why not? She actually just announced
today that she's ending her showto spend more time with her
kids, more time with her we. Could have had more Kelly
Clarkson if not for her stupid kids.
Well, full context that that family has been through a lot,
(49:05):
so kind of understand. But yeah, the irony of that.
What have they been there? I guess I got to Google it.
It's OK real quick before we go,I thought this was an
interesting question I saw pop up on the DINK life Reddit
thread and it was somebody who said quick question for my
fellow Dinks. I'm a graduate student doing
(49:26):
some preliminary research for mythesis centered on mental load.
First of all, how do you have a thesis centered on mental load?
That's kind of interesting. The thesis is around mental load
and how it differs in deep couples versus those who have
children. Pretty interesting.
Oh my. God.
How do you and your partner keeptrack of what needs to get done
(49:47):
around the house? Is it lists apps, shared
calendars, mental notes, talkingout loud?
Are there parts of running a household that feel more
mentally annoying that you expected, even without having
children in the meds? I thought it was an interesting
question because I'm sure everybody has a different
approach. And I was talking to somebody
about this at work today and they very much have with their
(50:10):
partner like assigned chores. And we have never really done
that. Like we just kind of, there's
certain things that I think it'sgotten to a point where it's
like not spoken about, but understood that I do this or you
do that. But I think for the most part it
just kind of like we figure it out.
(50:32):
The only thing that we do that Ithink most people would be
caught off guard by is we still do our own laundry.
Like I'll do my clothes and you'll do your own.
Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, laundry is a nightmare.
Why would I do extra? I know I feel the same way like
I love you and I would if you need me to start the dryer for
(50:53):
you or you know sometimes I offer to take your stuff out and
you do the same for me but like.Sure, I'll I'll swap it from the
washer to the dryer or take it out of the dryer.
But I'm not folding and putting away your stuff.
But also that's literally a function of I don't want you
putting my stuff in the wrong place and I don't want to put
(51:13):
your stuff in the wrong place. And then we can never find the
shirt again. Right.
It's just kind of it. And I feel like it has never
been a thing in our relationshipand and and neither of us have
tried to make it a thing and I'mtotally comfortable.
With that and also mental load wise, it's because it's
different. If I was a stay at home like dog
(51:34):
mom, it it's different. If I was like a homemaker, then
I should definitely do all the laundry and like have much more
of the household load. But our schedules are so
fluctuating like all the time where I'm out of town or I'm
here or my schedule's this or I have a show or whatever.
And like we have such different schedules constantly that if we
(51:59):
kept the same assigned chores, like that's impossible because
if my assigned chore is that I take the garbage cans out every
week and I'm gone, then you've then you're assigned chore.
Like what happens then? It is funny you mention that
because the couple I'm referringto from work, they don't have
any kids. They're very busy people as
(52:19):
well. The one travels a lot for work
and they have assigned chores. OK, OK, I mean we can do that if
you want, but. I know I'm not.
I'm not. I want to be very clear.
I'm not making the pitch for it.I just think it's.
Do you think it would be easier though?
Like. No, I don't.
I think I. Think it would be?
The slack when we need to. Yeah.
(52:40):
And there's sometimes where I have heavy left and there's
sometimes where you have a left like it's.
Like walking the dogs. Like some weeks I walk them all
week because you have to go to work early everyday, but then
when I was gone for 10 days you walked them everyday obviously.
Right. But it I think it all comes out
(53:01):
in the wash, no pun intended, because we'd wash our own
clothes. Lol or like yeah usually if you
make dinner I clean the dishes. Like we try to just even it out.
I don't. Know I also, I got to be honest,
I just don't care. I really don't like I'm not and
I don't think that you do it. Like if if one of us was going
(53:26):
out of our way to make each other's lives miserable, that's
one thing. But like, I just don't even
really care. You know, there's never been a
moment even on the like, especially on the laundry stuff.
I'm like, I wish that she would do.
It's like, no, laundry sucks. Doesn't matter if I do it or she
does it. Just horrible.
I literally don't even have timeto do my laundry.
(53:47):
I definitely don't have time to do yours.
I haven't done my laundry in like I think 3 weeks.
I've noticed. I've noticed you're wearing a
lot of underwear again and againand again.
Disgusting. I'm joking.
But I'm just saying like I haven't done my laundry in three
weeks, at what point am I going to do yours?
Like we're fucked if that's the case.
(54:08):
Yeah, totally. And I am not.
You would have to just buy new shirts at Target.
Like I I occasionally will offerto like throw your stuff in the
dryer for you, but I'm very nervous about that.
One day you might say yes, because I don't want to be on
the hook if I shrink everything and I will shrink everything.
No, not happening. Exactly, thought it was an
(54:28):
interesting thought though. I mean, if it works better for
people and they feel less stressed, then that's great to
share the mental load, but also like the mental load of people
without children versus with children.
Like I'm saying, I don't have time for my laundry.
At what point would I have time to do children's laundry?
I would just toss it. I mean, it's like, you know,
(54:49):
it's like the size of. A.
How much could it cost? How much could it?
How much is a banana? Michael $10 anyway?
All right everyone, we hope genuinely you have a good week
and keep fighting the good fightout there.
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