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There's a new term buzzing on the Internet, Dink.
Dual income? No, kid, you probably have an
opinion on these people or an opinion on people who have an
opinion on these people. America's birth rate has hit its
lowest point in more than a century.
Some are blaming it on infertility.
Others say the state of the world is causing couples to
think twice about having children.
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Childless marriages could be a good thing if they were a result
of God's sovereign providential work.
Oh my God, can't even hear you. They like avocado toast and
brunches out and going to plays and having sweet vacations.
You're probably super selfish. Kids are better than brunch.
And then there's another group of young couples that want the
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lifestyle of childless households and the lifestyle it
brings with it. Welcome to The DINK Side, the
podcast about life, laughs and living child free.
We are a double income, no kids couple navigating the UPS, downs
and hilarious in betweens of choosing a different path in a
world that will not stop asking.So when are you having kids?
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When is it going to happen? The answer is never in our
house. How are you, babe?
Don't hold your breath, you know, exhausted.
I think that anytime you go to awedding you leave exhausted, no
matter how beautiful it is. Yeah, that's true.
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It was a gorgeous wedding we went to up in Northern
California. So apparently we're offending a
lot of people by saying that. I saw on Instagram Carmel is
considered Central Coast. OK, I stand corrected.
Riot in the comments when I looked on TikTok for cute places
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to eat breakfast. If people refer to it as
Northern California in the comments, eviscerated, That's
Central Coast. That's not Northern California.
But we drove like 5 1/2 hours toget there.
Right, it's north. From LA.
It's it's north from us, but it's not Northern California.
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OK who? OK wow, now I feel like an idiot
after telling so many people that we were in Northern
California for a wedding this past weekend.
I mean, I don't think it's necessarily with our friends.
I'm just saying on a public platform we should clarify
because I saw people on TikTok get chewed out.
That is one of those things thatthat it's just like an unspoken
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rule. I feel like, and there's a lot
of them specifically in California, there's a lot of
those that I feel like I'm stillnot fully understanding.
Like when somebody says they live on the West side, what does
that really mean? You know what I mean?
I. Mean, yeah, it's the nuances are
something I don't even care to. I don't even care really.
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I don't know if I care either, but it is interesting.
It was a beautiful wedding though.
We did go to a nice wedding. It was 80 people and I think
that that should be like the limit that that was one of my
takeaways because it felt like anice full place.
There was a lot of people there.Like if you were the couple and
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you looked around, you would think to yourself, oh, there's a
lot of people who are supportingus here today.
This feels nice. There's enough people for a
party. And also, Can you imagine one
that was double that size? No effing way.
I feel like it's it's a good length.
It's a good number of people. I also appreciate that the
average length of a ceremony is now like 20 minutes.
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Yeah, 20-30 minutes. We were listening to a bunch of
people there who got married in the, you know, 90s and 80s and
stuff, and they were saying thatceremonies minimum used to be an
hour, hour and a half. Yeah.
'Cause they used to be super religious.
Which kill me now. I would be so, so over it after
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45 minutes. Are you kidding me?
That next 45 minutes I'm catatonic.
It's Yeah. What do you like?
I don't, you've lost me. I don't understand anything
that's happening. I just assume that, you know,
you are legally married at some point in that I I lost track.
You, you you're singing some kind of hymn.
You're reading some kind of passage.
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I don't know what's even being said anymore.
Also, did we love that it was child free the wedding?
Yes, we did. I did notice that.
I did notice that. God, it feels good when that
happens because we've talked about it till we're red in the
face. Kids don't want to be there
either. No.
I went to a wedding when I was like, I think the youngest I
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was. I mean, how old were you when
you went to a wedding for the first time?
I literally think I was an adult.
I don't remember any as a child.I think I was, I think I was 10
maybe, oh, maybe earlier than that.
And I remember like thinking like this is taking forever.
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The adults, what are we doing? The dinner takes forever.
The dancing takes forever. The speeches take forever.
The ceremony takes forever. Kids don't want to be there.
Who's wedding it was? Because I think I don't know
that my parents knew anyone thatwas getting married.
Like I don't think my parents went to weddings.
It was a family wedding, like one of my cousins got married
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and I was there. I think my cousins were all
getting married when I was already an adult.
Right. I had like I had a couple super
not like I'm not trying to be offensive to them, but they were
old to me when I was a kid. Like I think when I was 10 at
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this particular wedding, the couple getting married was
probably close to 30 or at leastmid 20s.
And yeah, I just remember thinking like, this is a lot to
deal with and they are weddings are a lot, but this was a pretty
one. Had a good time, did a little
dancing. DJs not all created the same.
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Turns out I have yet to be to a wed.
We have yet to be to a wedding with a full band too.
I want to go to like a full bandwedding.
What did we do outside of the wedding this weekend?
We stayed in a hotel, which was one of the shittiest places
we've ever stayed in. But beyond that, go ahead.
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Which was very expensive and near the water and advertised
with beautiful photos and part of the wedding party's wedding
block. And it was a shit hole.
The ceiling was leaking, there was construction on 2 floors,
constant hammering, flocks of birds, cacaoing.
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I don't think we liked any part of the stay.
There's one part I liked. Oh, OK, go ahead.
But it has nothing to do with this specific hotel as as much
as it does the hotel experience overall, which is there is just
something about watching TV in ahotel room that just sits apart
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from watching TV anywhere else. It is a religious experience.
You give yourself permission to sit there and watch things you
would probably not watch anywhere else.
For some reason, commercials don't hurt as bad.
Commercials don't really hurt asbad because you're like, oh,
this is this is Free TV. I'm not paying for this TV.
And there's channels you don't have at home.
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There's, you know, the TV soundsdifferent, it looks different.
It feels just like a specialist.But think about it.
We always talk about when we go to hotels, we watch
Ridiculousness on MTV. We never watch that show unless
we're in a hotel. That's accurate.
It's never once been watched inside our home.
No, not, not even a single time.And I honestly think if you.
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Tried to. Yeah, sorry, Rob.
I'm sorry you're not rich enough, but like, I think if we
tried to watch it in our in our house, it would just be like
offensively bad for some reason.We'd be like, why are we
watching this? We have so much else to do.
Yeah, but we did for, for some reason HGTV always comes on a
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lot when we're I think. That's the go to.
It's MTV, VH1 and HGTV, and if you're not watching one of
those, what are you doing? Or like a movie or something,
maybe. But yeah, even that's kind of
weak. We're Storage Wars.
That's the other one that's always on.
Storage Wars is always on. We were scanning through.
A. And E also home to.
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Bounty hunters. Yeah, that's, that's all hotel
coded TV, is it not Pawn Stars. That's another one we can add to
the hotel list. And I have to look up the
specific name of the show real quick, but we found a new show
on HGTV that is exhilarating. That you simply must watch.
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It's exhilarating and it caught our eye because at first it felt
like House Hunters International, where there's
couples looking for places in inEurope and like Italy and Spain
and all these things. But the concept of the show is
super cheap houses in international places, and the
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whole idea is to show you that like your life and this fancy
place in Italy really could be yours at the fraction of a cost
that it takes to buy a house in America.
Right. It's like the reverse American
Dream. You can have a house in a
different country that you can'thave in America, right?
Which they should have named it Reverse American Dream.
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They Oh my God. Yep, fools.
They fucked up and said they named it World's Bargain Dream
Homes. I just found the name.
Yeah, it's they should go back to the drawing board with it for
Season 2. Hopefully it gets renewed.
But it was one of the first times I've ever seen a promo on
TV and been like, is this the commercial for it or can we
watch it right now? I know we were like, is this
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happening? Is this on right now?
Are we watching this? Is this real?
And then it was, and we watched 3 consecutive episodes.
We thought we were going to go to bed.
We watched the first one. We thought we were going to go
to bed. We watched the second one.
We thought we were going to go to bed.
We watched the third one. We were exhausted.
We were driving all day. That was the day we drove up.
Yeah, we should have been exhausted, and we were.
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But we. Our eyes were healed.
Open and it was a life changing experience.
Why do you ask? Because yeah, it's a little
problematic that I feel like there's been five times in our
relationship that we our lives have almost altered course as a
result of an HGTV show. Maybe that's part of the the
design. What do you mean by that?
Name and name another? Oh, I was going to say name
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another time that's happened. House Hunters International,
Richard, the Realtor of London. Like it would have been such a
bad thing if we bought a tiny house.
No, it's not a bad thing, I'm just saying HGTV has almost
changed our lives multiple times.
At one point we almost became a house flippers.
Thank God we didn't do that. Oh God, we do not have the
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stomach for that. First of all, we would be so
broke right now and I think divorced.
We would. Oh my God, no.
We'd be enemies. I think we would have.
We'd have competing. We would find a way to have like
competing flipping shows on HGTV.
We would be. Tarik and.
And Christina? Yeah.
Now I get it, but also they're still friends enough to.
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They're still business minded and.
Friends, find ways to be excitedabout our impending separation
and HGTV competition. Don't you think we would totally
be like them in the sense that we would hate each other and we
would have competing businesses,but we would still both be like
we should do a show together with your new wife.
You. I want you to agree with me that
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we would hate each other. No, I want you to agree with me
that we would totally do ATV show all of us with your new
wife because we would know it would be good TV and good money
and we would and then I would make friends with your new wife.
Like, don't you feel like that would be like?
Entertaining this why do you think this is a fun game to
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play? Because we would be like, this
is good TV and we would do it for the sake of the TV and the
money you. Don't understand how messed up
everything you're saying is right now.
Can't you just agree with me? No.
Can't you agree with your current wife about your fake
future wife? Oh, yeah, OK.
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I yeah, I will agree with my current wife that you will be
friends with my fake future wifewho's on the competing HGTV show
that I have that it can be goes up against yours.
What? No, they do a show together, all
of them. That's what I'm saying.
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't understand his heart and.
Heather, the two blondes, they're on a show with him.
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No. I don't think they're on the
same show with him. No, they are.
Are they OK? Well, either way, I don't want
to, you know, that's not the reality I want to live in.
But the point is this show changed our life, our life, our
together life. Our you know you will never move
on when I pass life. Are still married, not with
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competing HGTV shows live. World's bargain dream hub.
So we watched an episode in Sicily, We watched an episode in
what was the other place. There's another place in Spain.
I don't remember, it was an hourfrom Barcelona.
Yeah, but there was Spain and Italy were the main places and
there's like a there's a place that's two-bedroom.
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And then Greece. Oh yeah, in Greece.
It was Spain, Italy, Greece. That's why we watched 3 episodes
because the next country kept coming up and we're like, but we
have to watch Italy, but we haveto watch Greece.
Yeah, and there's a place that's$41,000, two bedrooms, there's a
four bedroom house and one that's like 120 grand.
There's one that has a restaurant below it, including
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the restaurant. There was one that had eight
acres. 8 acres. It was like $140,000 US and we
literally were like, we got to go.
We got to go. This is, this is a, this is
changing our perspective becauseyou look at these places and
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you're like, I, I just thought it was everybody conditions you
to think it's just not possible or it's like completely out of
reach. And then we learned something
called the, correct me if I'm wrong, digital nomad nomad visa.
Yes. And you looked it up.
How does that work? Basically, as long as you are
proven to have a completely remote career and salary, and
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that you're either freelance or paid by a company, you can apply
for a digital nomad visa and work from a different country
and legally live there. Right?
Which? Which is very yeah, a you do it
already and B very 2026 friendlyfor those of you who would like
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to do it. And it's not even that expensive
of a process. We looked up all the fees and
it's sitting right around $1200 for this whole process like.
All in. All in of like getting all the
paperwork done, all the approvals, all the different
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background checks, everything toapply for all of this.
And it's like if you're that committed to moving to another
country, then you have $1200. Like if you're committed to
living somewhere else, completely picking up your life,
I'm sure you have you can scrapetogether that amount of money.
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It also only takes like 20 to 40days to be approved.
Yeah, it's fast. Way faster than like because you
hear these horror stories of other people like that show 90
Day Fiance where they do that K1visa and it takes like 2 years
to get it through. It's not that it's relatively
quick. So if you watch this,
essentially what we're saying isif you watch this HGTV show and
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are radicalized and want to moveimmediately, that is within
reach. Right.
And we were like, yeah, there's things we would miss.
Of course we would miss our friends.
We would probably move my mom with us.
We'd miss some family and it andit it would be it would be there
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would be difficult parts of it, but like I it's there's the
positives seem to far outweigh the negatives.
But also, it's not to say that we would be gone.
And as though we're dead. Oh good, there's a spider.
Oh good. Oh, exhilarating.
I just killed it with my Airpodscase.
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And where was it crawling from? You fuck honey.
It was just crawling like reallyfast on the table.
So where did it come from? I don't know.
You got it. Yeah, I killed it with my
Airpods case and now I'm just supposed to sit back down at
this table where that's now infested with fucking spiders?
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What the hell is going on? And it was crawling at my mic
stand and everything. Are you ready to move to another
country? Yeah, I bet there wouldn't be
spiders crawling on me in. I'm very proud of you.
I'm very proud of you. You just handled that so well.
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And I didn't even scream in yourears.
You didn't. I'm very proud of you, Spider
Dead. Irritating.
We actually brought this up in conversation this weekend and I
think it's it's a good topic of conversation.
It's OK, I get it. You can itch.
We are, we are vegetarian, pescetarian.
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Like, we're close to the point of, you know, going full vegan.
I have considered being full vegan recently.
Yeah, and and I, you know, we'vehad a lot of conversations about
it. Don't necessarily know if from
my perspective, I don't necessarily know if we need to
label it. You seem to kind of agree with
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that to some extent. But we were talking over the
weekend about how there are people who, like, don't crush
spiders when they see them or hurt a family because they're
like, we just let it out outside, but then they're
totally cool with, like, having a steak.
Right, Like there's a guy that we know who brought a spider
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outside and but then ate a burger and I was like, where are
we drawing the line? Like I'm going to kill a spider?
The only person that I think like to me, it's like just be
across the board essentially. And so I would find, but I would
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find it hard if I went full vegan.
I don't know that I could find it myself to not kill spiders.
I don't think that I could either.
And I'm not even like as much ofA why do you?
You're not like arachnophobic, you just don't like them.
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I don't know, I used to be a lotworse.
Here's the thing. I don't know if this metaphor
works. Go with me.
It's the first time I'm thinkingabout it.
But like a cow is not in my living room trying to trying to
bite me. You know what I mean?
I don't know. I mean, that's valid I.
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Feel like like a chicken didn't didn't just come in the window
and start squawking at me duringthe podcast, but this like
spider just started crawling. Like, I didn't ask for this, you
know what I mean? What would you do if a cow just
walks a tour right now? I mean, I wouldn't smack it.
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That's the thing. If a cow like came into the
living room, it's not like I would try to kill it.
So I don't think this metaphor works.
I don't know. Or analogy or whatever it is.
If I was afraid of it. If I had fear, maybe.
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I don't know. OK, valid.
All valid. But I do think it's funny when
people are like that, like, oh, again, I have no place to judge
because we, you know, we're animal lovers.
We don't eat meat, all these things.
So like on in theory, I should want it, want somebody to be
that way. Like want them to be the person
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that's like, oh, we want to savethe spider and let it outside.
But I do definitely judge peoplewho are like that harshly.
Yes, I just had another thought that's completely unrelated to
this, but we just travelled for this wedding.
I don't know. And I have friends that are
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literally booking flights, tickets full things to go to,
baby showers. And my question is, where are we
drawing the line for ourselves? Let's say, OK, we went to this
wedding and we're going to my brother's wedding in a couple of
months. Let's say they they fall
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pregnant. Is that what people say?
What? Did you hear about Dorothy?
She's fallen pregnant. I think so.
No, it's fallen. I'll they be they get pregnant.
No, no, I'm I'm Googling it. Fallen pregnant.
Fallen pregnant. It's either grossly right.
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Pregnant is an idiomatic phrase primarily used in British,
Irish, Australian and New Zealand English, meaning to
become pregnant. Right.
Again, not American English. How dare she's fallen pregnant.
Oh, say I heard from my brother.She's fallen pregnant.
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So let's say they fall pregnant and then here comes a knock in
our next invite and it's a baby shower this time.
Are we booking another flight plane ticket drive to go to
these baby showers? No, I don't think so.
No. And here's the thing, I draw the
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line. I say no, you say no.
And it's like these people, we love them.
Great. Have a good we.
And I'm just saying, I'll send you a gift, I'll send you money.
A baby shower just feels different to me than a wedding.
Here's what I would say. I would say I am happy to book a
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trip and come visit you. Once the baby.
'S born. The baby is born.
Yes, if you want me to spend themoney to get there, at least
have it be alive. Yes, I'm happy to do that.
I'm I would love to come and meet your baby.
Let's do that. You know what else though?
My one friend is booking a flight to a baby shower.
The baby is already born so she's having the baby shower
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post birth. Which is not how that works.
No, I think why don't more people do this?
Have it once the baby is out so then everyone at the shower can
meet the baby. Yeah.
It's like a Welcome to the WorldParty.
It's like a it's like a birthdayparty, but the day that they're
born. But not the day I'm but it's
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like 4 months old or something. But I think it's like, yeah, why
don't more people do essentiallya registry?
I guess if you need stuff for the baby, it makes sense to do
it while you're pregnant. But why don't you just put a
registry out and have like your mom send it around to people of
like, oh, this is the registry. We're going to have a party once
it's born so you can meet it. And then the party.
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Before, right? You give the gift before it's
born, and then you go to the party and meet it.
Why aren't we were framing society this way?
Yeah, I. Really like this.
This is really good. But I was thinking of that like
when we were looking at their registry for the wedding and
stuff and I was like looking at the items on the registry or
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thinking about what we were, if we were going to give cash or
whatever. And I was like, are we about to
do this in a year again for people with babies like, which
is fine if we do. That's a good.
Question have babies immediatelybecause now our friends are all
in the phases of booking a million trips to go to these
baby showers and they're inviting out of state.
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So like the one that my friends going to is in Seattle, but the
other one she was invited to is in Texas and the other one she's
in I'm like you're and the otherone's in Nashville.
I'm like, you have so many friends with babies and you're
flying to them all. You know what's interesting?
I've I've never been to a baby shower.
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Never. Never.
Never. Because I have either.
I have to hand it to the people in my life.
None of them have ever pressuredme to travel out of town to go
to 1. I mean, we were invited to.
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We were invited but we were not pressured to definitely and I
think that that is that has started to change a little bit.
Oh, yeah. But also, yeah, with more, I
think with your family, the people that invited us, it was
more like, we just want you to know that you would be included
if you were in town. Which I think is very kind.
Which is sweet, but I think like, in general there, yeah,
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there was never an expectation that we fly.
It was like, oh, if you're already in town, you could come
to this. But like, I don't know, I'm just
thinking like, are we about to be booking all these flights a
second time in a year because everyone's going to get
pregnant? I mean, maybe, but I, I, I think
the good, it's a good rule that we don't need to be there for
the shower. If you need, you know, a car
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seat or something, we'll throw money in towards a car seat.
Yeah, we send a gift and then I want to fly to you when it's a
person now. Yeah, which I think is way
better than going to a shower. Way better because also, what do
you do at a baby shower other than open gifts?
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Nothing. You play like weird games.
That's which we got to stop withthat.
Or or sometimes they do the gender reveal at the shower.
Sometimes. They do.
I actually saw something on Reddit on the child free section
that applies to this conversation somebody wrote.
Nothing's more disgusting than asoon to be parent obsessed with
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the gender of their baby. He said.
It's the most recent example, but in general seeing the way
parents often borderline fetishize their kids gender is
one of the main things that amplifies my child free stance.
Today an anonymous poster wrote under something saying after
three boys I'm finally having a girl.
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She came to terms with the fact that a boy mom is all she will
ever be. Then accidentally stayed
pregnant for the 4th time. Baby turned out to be a girl.
Now she's in disbelief and overjoyed.
Everybody's all happy for her. I'm here sharing this, I'm here
sharing this here saying I not because I want to gossip,
because I'm genuinely disturbed.Maybe I'm overdramatic, but
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there is no way this is good foranyone involved, right?
And I have to agree. I have to agree.
And I think the gender reveal thing is a little odd and the
baby shower thing is a little odd.
Yeah. Celebrate the baby that comes
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out and who they are. I mean, I think it's fine to
want to know. Yeah, I get that.
Like I don't think it needs for planning purposes.
Surprise. I don't think it needs to be a
surprise when you give birth. But yeah, I don't know.
I think it's when people are like, we're hoping for a boy.
It's like OK. I, I just feel like spiritually
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somehow that you're or like physically you're sending that
message through your blood or something.
You know what I mean? That like, yeah, we didn't want
you to turn out to be a girl, so.
It's just weird, but I do, I, I it's a good question to ask
about the baby showers because we've never discussed what our
boundary is there. And it's not a boundary out of
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like being an asshole or anything.
It's literally like, guys, there's a lot of, there's too
many life things that we have tojust buy tickets for all the
time and buy gifts for all the time.
Pranks on Tiktok where someone'slike, oh, do you have plans on
Saturday? I told, I told our parents or my
I told my mom that we would go to her dog's christening or
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something. And it's like someone pranking
their partner saying that they're going to like a pet's
christening or baptism or like shower for a dog or a cat.
That sounds great. But it's like, if we get invited
to a ton of baby showers, we should just send out a fake
prank invite for, like, our dog's baptism.
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Yeah, Daisy recently found Christ.
She found Jesus. Wait, we should also do we make
fun of them every year. Everybody knows our stance on
Christmas cards and like the theend of year update that people
send, we should do an end of year update on our dogs.
Wait, this could be fun. Like Daisy back in January, we
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got her a toy that she really liked.
Maddie lost 2 teeth in my. I love this idea.
Wow, this. Is a good idea, is it not?
I think so. Would people know we're being
ironic, or do you think they would think we're being serious?
I don't know. It doesn't really matter though,
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it's fine. OK, we'll make them on
Shutterstock. It's fine.
Yeah, Do people use Shutterstockanymore?
Yeah, why are you slandering that?
Well, I recently did a project, a little project thing for you,
and I had to go get a print of something.
And I went into Walgreens and they looked at me like a freak
for getting something printed, OK.
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And I just, I'm like, it's not that big of a deal, man.
I'm just printing a picture. I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know. Anyway, OK, you almost.
Do you think it's because of what the picture was?
I feel like feel like you're painting a different picture
than what happened. No, but do you think it's
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because you photoshopped a picture of my face with Lizzie
McGuire? I didn't.
I cut that out. Oh, so it was just.
A picture of it was just a normal picture.
Yeah, it was just a normal picture.
It was a picture of me and you. I cut myself out of it.
That's really funny. OK.
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OK, you almost went to war this weekend when we were in central
Northern California. Yeah, the day it did end in Y,
we were at a beautiful area known as, what was it, Lovers
point in. Monterey.
Monterey, or I almost said caramel by the sea, Carmel by
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the sea, Carmel by the sea. Yeah, but we are at this place
called Lovers Point. It was really cool because it
was like an area that jets out from the shoreline where there
was like a bunch of these, what they call ground squirrels.
There were hundreds of them and 1 jumped up on your goddamn lap
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because it was looking for, it was like a a Snow White moment.
It jumped up on your lap lookingfor like a treat or something.
You didn't have anything. But next to that we were walking
on this path and saw was it an Otter or a seal?
A. Seal.
It occurs to me that I don't think I know the difference.
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Honey, what? Yeah.
It's usually a seal or a sea lion are different things.
And Otter is fully like those brown fuzzy animals.
What? Yeah, I don't think I know the
difference between an Otter, a sea lion and A and the other
thing that I said a second ago. A seal?
A sea lion? Honey.
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Google a picture of an Otter right now.
OK, I will one second. You can.
You're upsetting everyone. No, I'm not.
Definitely everyone listening tothis is like what?
OK, yeah, I see what you're saying.
And Otter is a tiny little thing.
No, but like they, they're very similar actually.
No, they're not. But my brain puts them in the
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same bucket anyway. One of a sea lion.
A sea lion was laying out sunning and you almost had to
RIP a man's head off. Yeah, this man.
So we were on Bluffs like littleCliff area and there was a sea
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lion that we all spotted like usand 10 other people spotted
laying on a rock down below, like right at the water's edge.
And he was sending himself. And then there was another one a
little bit further away on another rock.
And so we were all like, Oh, my gosh, we almost didn't see them
because they were kind of camouflaged with their spotted
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bodies and on this perfect rock.And look at him.
He's so cute. So then it was us and like, a
couple families and like a couple ladies.
And we were all just sitting there marveling over their
bodies. And we were like, oh, wow, look
how cute they are. And then this man with his
daughter started climbing down the rock bluff.
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Yeah. Now granted it wasn't as high as
like those pictures you see of the bridges in Carmel, or like
the sheer rock face like it. Was it was still pretty, like it
was sizeable enough that it was like weird that he was walking
down. It was weird that he was
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climbing down. Yeah.
And then he was bringing his daughter right after him, who
was like, I don't know, 12? Maybe, yeah.
Maybe she was big enough to get down there without him carrying
her, but like she was a child. Anyways, so we're watching them
start to go down there and I'm like, what the fuck is he doing?
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And then he got to the bottom and started walking closer to
the sea lion with his fucking phone out.
And the sea lion sees him and he's like, oh, and starts to
scooch off the rock. And I'm like, first of all, how
long did it take this poor sea lion to get his body situated on
this rock? And now a stupid human idiot
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predator is making him feel unsafe in his own habitats to
what? You also phone zoom in.
You can't just zoom in the fucking phone.
Why did you have to climb down the rock face to like harass
this fucking sea lion? So I start getting pissed and
then I go, oh, so I start talking louder.
I'm like, oh, so some idiots have to ruin it for everyone.
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And I start calling them idiots pretty loudly.
And then I had enough because hegot within like 10 feet of the
sea lion and he was still movingforward and the sea lion was
getting visibly uncomfortable. And then I go, are you fucking
kidding me? Get away from it.
And then his wife or acquaintance or someone was
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like, ma'am, he doesn't speak English.
And I go, ma'am, you don't have to speak English to have a
brain. Tell him to tell him to get away
from then. I'm like, you tell him then to
get away from the fucking sea lion.
And so at first glance, that sentence might seem Trumpy
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energy, and I'd like you to replay it for yourself if you're
feeling that way right now. What you're saying it's
actually. Very liberal.
Everyone should have a brain, nomatter their color, gender,
shape, size, or demographic or nationality.
You don't go harass a sea lion in its natural habitat,
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regardless of what language you speak.
Respect defies the boss also have no idea language.
Genuinely have no idea where they were from.
Was her accent Russian? German?
I don't know because I blacked out.
No, I really have no. Idea they were from I think
somewhere in Europe. Doesn't matter to me.
If you're an idiot, you're an idiot and I will yell at you
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loudly and I will call you a fucking idiot and I will tell
you to get away from an animal. You're and in many ways being a
voice for the voiceless in this situation and.
So I. Honestly.
Flopped off the rock and had andwas afraid and went back into
the water. He ruined it for everyone.
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And then his wife said and whatever other again, I blacked
out, said in some other languagefor him to get up off the rock
and for him also. You don't know this could have
gone so many directions. You don't know that the sea
lion's not gonna charge you because it feels threatened and
hurt your daughter. I know.
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Like, OK, you have your phone inits fucking face, but you don't
know that you're not endangeringyour kid.
I know. And you're also teaching your
kid that this is OK behavior. It's it's you're teaching your
child it's OK to invade somebodyelse's space.
For your own enjoyment that are defenseless.
Yeah, it's, it was so frustrating.
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And it was literally, I thought about it like if aliens came to
Earth and they were like, what does this phrase mean?
A bad apple spoils the bunch. I would I would play a clip of
that whole thing. And of course also like not to
be shaming everyone else or you because I think I just have more
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of a snap reaction about things.But like, out of the 20 people
standing there, really I'm the only one to yell at him?
I think it was just AI mean. You're not wrong, but it was
just a very it. I was just so surprised it was
happening. It was one of those like out of
body experiences and like why the fuck he's walking down
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there? What is happening?
And even at one point I felt like the sea lion, Otter, sea
lion. Honey, I feel.
Or sea lion. It's definitely not an Otter.
It was. Like one point he was even
looking at him like, are you really coming up to me right
now? Yeah.
What is happening? It was so, it was so weird.
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It, it was just, it was so unfortunate.
And it's like you, you want to think the best in people.
And then you see people like that and it's like, OK, well,
This is why rules exist. You're the ones ruining it for
everyone. Yeah, This is why, you know, at
the zoo you can't go beyond a certain point, and This is why.
People invented railings. Right.
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To designate that you can't go there, but I thought a rock
Cliff face was enough. I know it was.
Apparently not. And a common sense, you're
literally not only you putting your kid in danger to some
extent you're also teaching thema really bad behavior.
Uh huh. Oh, it was so frustrating.
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It was so frustrating. That being said, I do love sea
lions. You need to put some respect on
their name, and you're not allowed to say that until you
actually know the difference. I love otters too.
I love and. What about seals?
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I also love seals. Seals are like the ones you see
doing like stunts at Universal Studios that walk across the
stage with their big flippers and they like put their heads
up. Sure, sea lions are what we saw.
That's like big and blubbery with tiny fins.
And an Otter is. The furry things that like swim
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on their backs and hold hands. Sea lions don't do that.
No, they're big and blubbery. They lay together.
They spoon. I see, I'm listen.
I'm still learning to think. I at one point wanted to be an
oceanographer. Thank God you didn't do that.
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You'd be miss categorizing a bunch of species.
It wasn't my strong suit in school.
That was not my strong suit. Yeah.
I mean, that was the that was the most intense thing that
happened this weekend. That was the most intense thing.
And you would have thought it would have happened at the
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wedding, but no, it didn't. It happened on the beach with a
sea lion and a stranger from Godknows where.
Couple things before we go. There was apparently a trend
going around right now with people who are.
I guess there's a whole new trend with people who are
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deciding who their next of kin is going to be.
And for people like us that don't have kids, there are
people who are either choosing afriend to like, carry on their
wishes if something happens. There's also services that are
starting to pop up that you can hire A next of kin to make those
(42:48):
decisions for you if you don't have somebody.
This is a new thing. This is a new type of.
Business. I could be hired by a stranger
to be their next of kin. So the idea is like, let's say
you and I right now have $1,000,000 to our name and we
don't really have any friends that we trust.
(43:11):
We don't really have any family left, but we need somebody to
take care of those decisions of where our money goes and all
that stuff. After we pass, we can hire
somebody to do that and like be that person instead of it just
kind of by default going to the state or whatever.
So it's a new type of business, which is like really morbid, but
(43:31):
also kind of cool because you can see to it that like your
stuff goes through the proper channels, but it seems somehow
manipulative. I don't know.
Seems weird and also like who gives a shit because you're
dead? See, that's what I think that
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people always, it's an interesting thought experiment
because people always ask us like, well, what happens when
you pass? Do you want to give your money
to the animals? Do you want to give your money
to this person or that person? I'm like, I think I would love
if our money went to an some sort of.
Animal cause for it. We could just break that in a
will. OK, Dylan, but why do I have to
hire someone to do it? Right, it's a little odd.
(44:15):
Just to insure it or like. I don't know, I don't really
know how to work. Does that person get like a cut
for doing this? Right.
Is there a finder's fee? Also, I am what I am for hire.
I will do this. I'll totally do this.
That sounds like the easiest jobever.
Yeah, well, they told it to go over there or so I'm just going
(44:35):
to. Yeah, put it over there.
Over there. And then now I'm done.
And now. And there's no input from like
them because they're dead. Right.
I do think to an extent like I want, I want the stuff to go to
animals and all that. That's great.
And also ignorance is bliss. I won't know.
I mean, we might know if we see it from the other side.
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We might. We might be missed.
But you know what else I can do from the other side?
Help animals as a ghost so I'll be fine.
I'm going to come and haunt people like that guy we saw with
the seal or not. Not the seal, the.
Sea lion God. Honey, damn it.
Fuck, why is that so hard for me?
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Son of a bitch. You're sealed dyslexic.
I am very sealed dyslexic. It's like hard for me to say God
damn. The last thing I want to leave
you with is there is a new newsletter I'm going to sign
this up for it called Dinkwad life.
Thank God. And it is all, remember that
again, is double income, no kidswith a dog.
And they are, quote UN quote, building a home base for people
(45:41):
like us. I don't know what that means.
We'll have to see if it's a swinger site like we did with
the app that came up, the DINK, whatever that was DINK life.
But yeah, I I think it's cool. The whole point is I think it's
cool. Like there's communities and
stuff like that popping up. It's like people have their book
(46:01):
clubs, people have their dinner clubs and like DINK
organizations and DINK newsletters and stuff are
popping up. I think it's neat.
Will we go to any of these things?
Bye. You know, we'll see.
I think there's a better chance of us going if we get a
newsletter every week or whatever.
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OK, I'll sign us up for the dankquad.
There's a chance it's a prank too.
I don't know. What?
What a weird prank that would be.
Some people are in it for the long game, you know.
It's you. Yeah, I'm just testing the water
right now with you. You're like lol wouldn't that be
crazy if someone started a newsletter?
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It's your ghost writer name like.
Yeah, Tyler Scott. Anyway, thanks for a a good pod
babe. We did it.
We'll get through the week together and if you listener can
tell me the difference between aOtter, a sea lion or a seal,
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write me. Please let me know.
What's your hang up? They couldn't be more different.
Can you tell that I'm really tired or do you think I got
through that podcast? Don't do a disclaimer.
Don't do a disclaimer. Bye.
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When is it going to happen? The answer is never in our
house. How are you, babe?
Don't hold your breath, you know, exhausted.
I think that anytime you go to awedding you leave exhausted, no
matter how beautiful it is. Yeah, that's true.
(01:28):
It was a gorgeous wedding we went to up in Northern
California. So apparently we're offending a
lot of people by saying that. I saw on Instagram Carmel is
considered Central Coast. OK, I stand corrected.
Riot in the comments when I looked on TikTok for cute places
(01:51):
to eat breakfast. If people refer to it as
Northern California in the comments, eviscerated, That's
Central Coast. That's not Northern California.
But we drove like 5 1/2 hours toget there.
Right, it's north. From LA.
It's it's north from us, but it's not Northern California.
(02:12):
OK who? OK wow, now I feel like an idiot
after telling so many people that we were in Northern
California for a wedding this past weekend.
I mean, I don't think it's necessarily with our friends.
I'm just saying on a public platform we should clarify
because I saw people on TikTok get chewed out.
That is one of those things thatthat it's just like an unspoken
(02:34):
rule. I feel like, and there's a lot
of them specifically in California, there's a lot of
those that I feel like I'm stillnot fully understanding.
Like when somebody says they live on the West side, what does
that really mean? You know what I mean?
I. Mean, yeah, it's the nuances are
something I don't even care to. I don't even care really.
(03:00):
I don't know if I care either, but it is interesting.
It was a beautiful wedding though.
We did go to a nice wedding. It was 80 people and I think
that that should be like the limit that that was one of my
takeaways because it felt like anice full place.
There was a lot of people there.Like if you were the couple and
(03:20):
you looked around, you would think to yourself, oh, there's a
lot of people who are supportingus here today.
This feels nice. There's enough people for a
party. And also, Can you imagine one
that was double that size? No effing way.
I feel like it's it's a good length.
It's a good number of people. I also appreciate that the
average length of a ceremony is now like 20 minutes.
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Yeah, 20-30 minutes. We were listening to a bunch of
people there who got married in the, you know, 90s and 80s and
stuff, and they were saying thatceremonies minimum used to be an
hour, hour and a half. Yeah.
'Cause they used to be super religious.
Which kill me now. I would be so, so over it after
(04:08):
45 minutes. Are you kidding me?
That next 45 minutes I'm catatonic.
It's Yeah. What do you like?
I don't, you've lost me. I don't understand anything
that's happening. I just assume that, you know,
you are legally married at some point in that I I lost track.
You, you you're singing some kind of hymn.
You're reading some kind of passage.
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I don't know what's even being said anymore.
Also, did we love that it was child free the wedding?
Yes, we did. I did notice that.
I did notice that. God, it feels good when that
happens because we've talked about it till we're red in the
face. Kids don't want to be there
either. No.
I went to a wedding when I was like, I think the youngest I
(04:52):
was. I mean, how old were you when
you went to a wedding for the first time?
I literally think I was an adult.
I don't remember any as a child.I think I was, I think I was 10
maybe, oh, maybe earlier than that.
And I remember like thinking like this is taking forever.
(05:13):
The adults, what are we doing? The dinner takes forever.
The dancing takes forever. The speeches take forever.
The ceremony takes forever. Kids don't want to be there.
Who's wedding it was? Because I think I don't know
that my parents knew anyone thatwas getting married.
Like I don't think my parents went to weddings.
It was a family wedding, like one of my cousins got married
(05:37):
and I was there. I think my cousins were all
getting married when I was already an adult.
Right. I had like I had a couple super
not like I'm not trying to be offensive to them, but they were
old to me when I was a kid. Like I think when I was 10 at
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this particular wedding, the couple getting married was
probably close to 30 or at leastmid 20s.
And yeah, I just remember thinking like, this is a lot to
deal with and they are weddings are a lot, but this was a pretty
one. Had a good time, did a little
dancing. DJs not all created the same.
(06:21):
Turns out I have yet to be to a wed.
We have yet to be to a wedding with a full band too.
I want to go to like a full bandwedding.
What did we do outside of the wedding this weekend?
We stayed in a hotel, which was one of the shittiest places
we've ever stayed in. But beyond that, go ahead.
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Which was very expensive and near the water and advertised
with beautiful photos and part of the wedding party's wedding
block. And it was a shit hole.
The ceiling was leaking, there was construction on 2 floors,
constant hammering, flocks of birds, cacaoing.
(07:08):
I don't think we liked any part of the stay.
There's one part I liked. Oh, OK, go ahead.
But it has nothing to do with this specific hotel as as much
as it does the hotel experience overall, which is there is just
something about watching TV in ahotel room that just sits apart
(07:29):
from watching TV anywhere else. It is a religious experience.
You give yourself permission to sit there and watch things you
would probably not watch anywhere else.
For some reason, commercials don't hurt as bad.
Commercials don't really hurt asbad because you're like, oh,
this is this is Free TV. I'm not paying for this TV.
And there's channels you don't have at home.
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There's, you know, the TV soundsdifferent, it looks different.
It feels just like a specialist.But think about it.
We always talk about when we go to hotels, we watch
Ridiculousness on MTV. We never watch that show unless
we're in a hotel. That's accurate.
It's never once been watched inside our home.
No, not, not even a single time.And I honestly think if you.
(08:14):
Tried to. Yeah, sorry, Rob.
I'm sorry you're not rich enough, but like, I think if we
tried to watch it in our in our house, it would just be like
offensively bad for some reason.We'd be like, why are we
watching this? We have so much else to do.
Yeah, but we did for, for some reason HGTV always comes on a
(08:35):
lot when we're I think. That's the go to.
It's MTV, VH1 and HGTV, and if you're not watching one of
those, what are you doing? Or like a movie or something,
maybe. But yeah, even that's kind of
weak. We're Storage Wars.
That's the other one that's always on.
Storage Wars is always on. We were scanning through.
A. And E also home to.
(08:59):
Bounty hunters. Yeah, that's, that's all hotel
coded TV, is it not Pawn Stars. That's another one we can add to
the hotel list. And I have to look up the
specific name of the show real quick, but we found a new show
on HGTV that is exhilarating. That you simply must watch.
(09:24):
It's exhilarating and it caught our eye because at first it felt
like House Hunters International, where there's
couples looking for places in inEurope and like Italy and Spain
and all these things. But the concept of the show is
super cheap houses in international places, and the
(09:45):
whole idea is to show you that like your life and this fancy
place in Italy really could be yours at the fraction of a cost
that it takes to buy a house in America.
Right. It's like the reverse American
Dream. You can have a house in a
different country that you can'thave in America, right?
Which they should have named it Reverse American Dream.
(10:07):
They Oh my God. Yep, fools.
They fucked up and said they named it World's Bargain Dream
Homes. I just found the name.
Yeah, it's they should go back to the drawing board with it for
Season 2. Hopefully it gets renewed.
But it was one of the first times I've ever seen a promo on
TV and been like, is this the commercial for it or can we
watch it right now? I know we were like, is this
(10:30):
happening? Is this on right now?
Are we watching this? Is this real?
And then it was, and we watched 3 consecutive episodes.
We thought we were going to go to bed.
We watched the first one. We thought we were going to go
to bed. We watched the second one.
We thought we were going to go to bed.
We watched the third one. We were exhausted.
We were driving all day. That was the day we drove up.
Yeah, we should have been exhausted, and we were.
(10:51):
But we. Our eyes were healed.
Open and it was a life changing experience.
Why do you ask? Because yeah, it's a little
problematic that I feel like there's been five times in our
relationship that we our lives have almost altered course as a
result of an HGTV show. Maybe that's part of the the
design. What do you mean by that?
Name and name another? Oh, I was going to say name
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another time that's happened. House Hunters International,
Richard, the Realtor of London. Like it would have been such a
bad thing if we bought a tiny house.
No, it's not a bad thing, I'm just saying HGTV has almost
changed our lives multiple times.
At one point we almost became a house flippers.
Thank God we didn't do that. Oh God, we do not have the
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stomach for that. First of all, we would be so
broke right now and I think divorced.
We would. Oh my God, no.
We'd be enemies. I think we would have.
We'd have competing. We would find a way to have like
competing flipping shows on HGTV.
We would be. Tarik and.
And Christina? Yeah.
Now I get it, but also they're still friends enough to.
(11:56):
They're still business minded and.
Friends, find ways to be excitedabout our impending separation
and HGTV competition. Don't you think we would totally
be like them in the sense that we would hate each other and we
would have competing businesses,but we would still both be like
we should do a show together with your new wife.
You. I want you to agree with me that
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we would hate each other. No, I want you to agree with me
that we would totally do ATV show all of us with your new
wife because we would know it would be good TV and good money
and we would and then I would make friends with your new wife.
Like, don't you feel like that would be like?
Entertaining this why do you think this is a fun game to
(12:37):
play? Because we would be like, this
is good TV and we would do it for the sake of the TV and the
money you. Don't understand how messed up
everything you're saying is right now.
Can't you just agree with me? No.
Can't you agree with your current wife about your fake
future wife? Oh, yeah, OK.
(12:57):
I yeah, I will agree with my current wife that you will be
friends with my fake future wifewho's on the competing HGTV show
that I have that it can be goes up against yours.
What? No, they do a show together, all
of them. That's what I'm saying.
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't understand his heart and.
Heather, the two blondes, they're on a show with him.
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No. I don't think they're on the
same show with him. No, they are.
Are they OK? Well, either way, I don't want
to, you know, that's not the reality I want to live in.
But the point is this show changed our life, our life, our
together life. Our you know you will never move
on when I pass life. Are still married, not with
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competing HGTV shows live. World's bargain dream hub.
So we watched an episode in Sicily, We watched an episode in
what was the other place. There's another place in Spain.
I don't remember, it was an hourfrom Barcelona.
Yeah, but there was Spain and Italy were the main places and
there's like a there's a place that's two-bedroom.
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And then Greece. Oh yeah, in Greece.
It was Spain, Italy, Greece. That's why we watched 3 episodes
because the next country kept coming up and we're like, but we
have to watch Italy, but we haveto watch Greece.
Yeah, and there's a place that's$41,000, two bedrooms, there's a
four bedroom house and one that's like 120 grand.
There's one that has a restaurant below it, including
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the restaurant. There was one that had eight
acres. 8 acres. It was like $140,000 US and we
literally were like, we got to go.
We got to go. This is, this is a, this is
changing our perspective becauseyou look at these places and
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you're like, I, I just thought it was everybody conditions you
to think it's just not possible or it's like completely out of
reach. And then we learned something
called the, correct me if I'm wrong, digital nomad nomad visa.
Yes. And you looked it up.
How does that work? Basically, as long as you are
proven to have a completely remote career and salary, and
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that you're either freelance or paid by a company, you can apply
for a digital nomad visa and work from a different country
and legally live there. Right?
Which? Which is very yeah, a you do it
already and B very 2026 friendlyfor those of you who would like
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to do it. And it's not even that expensive
of a process. We looked up all the fees and
it's sitting right around $1200 for this whole process like.
All in. All in of like getting all the
paperwork done, all the approvals, all the different
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background checks, everything toapply for all of this.
And it's like if you're that committed to moving to another
country, then you have $1200. Like if you're committed to
living somewhere else, completely picking up your life,
I'm sure you have you can scrapetogether that amount of money.
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It also only takes like 20 to 40days to be approved.
Yeah, it's fast. Way faster than like because you
hear these horror stories of other people like that show 90
Day Fiance where they do that K1visa and it takes like 2 years
to get it through. It's not that it's relatively
quick. So if you watch this,
essentially what we're saying isif you watch this HGTV show and
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are radicalized and want to moveimmediately, that is within
reach. Right.
And we were like, yeah, there's things we would miss.
Of course we would miss our friends.
We would probably move my mom with us.
We'd miss some family and it andit it would be it would be there
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would be difficult parts of it, but like I it's there's the
positives seem to far outweigh the negatives.
But also, it's not to say that we would be gone.
And as though we're dead. Oh good, there's a spider.
Oh good. Oh, exhilarating.
I just killed it with my Airpodscase.
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And where was it crawling from? You fuck honey.
It was just crawling like reallyfast on the table.
So where did it come from? I don't know.
You got it. Yeah, I killed it with my
Airpods case and now I'm just supposed to sit back down at
this table where that's now infested with fucking spiders?
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What the hell is going on? And it was crawling at my mic
stand and everything. Are you ready to move to another
country? Yeah, I bet there wouldn't be
spiders crawling on me in. I'm very proud of you.
I'm very proud of you. You just handled that so well.
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And I didn't even scream in yourears.
You didn't. I'm very proud of you, Spider
Dead. Irritating.
We actually brought this up in conversation this weekend and I
think it's it's a good topic of conversation.
It's OK, I get it. You can itch.
We are, we are vegetarian, pescetarian.
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Like, we're close to the point of, you know, going full vegan.
I have considered being full vegan recently.
Yeah, and and I, you know, we'vehad a lot of conversations about
it. Don't necessarily know if from
my perspective, I don't necessarily know if we need to
label it. You seem to kind of agree with
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that to some extent. But we were talking over the
weekend about how there are people who, like, don't crush
spiders when they see them or hurt a family because they're
like, we just let it out outside, but then they're
totally cool with, like, having a steak.
Right, Like there's a guy that we know who brought a spider
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outside and but then ate a burger and I was like, where are
we drawing the line? Like I'm going to kill a spider?
The only person that I think like to me, it's like just be
across the board essentially. And so I would find, but I would
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find it hard if I went full vegan.
I don't know that I could find it myself to not kill spiders.
I don't think that I could either.
And I'm not even like as much ofA why do you?
You're not like arachnophobic, you just don't like them.
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I don't know, I used to be a lotworse.
Here's the thing. I don't know if this metaphor
works. Go with me.
It's the first time I'm thinkingabout it.
But like a cow is not in my living room trying to trying to
bite me. You know what I mean?
I don't know. I mean, that's valid I.
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Feel like like a chicken didn't didn't just come in the window
and start squawking at me duringthe podcast, but this like
spider just started crawling. Like, I didn't ask for this, you
know what I mean? What would you do if a cow just
walks a tour right now? I mean, I wouldn't smack it.
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That's the thing. If a cow like came into the
living room, it's not like I would try to kill it.
So I don't think this metaphor works.
I don't know. Or analogy or whatever it is.
If I was afraid of it. If I had fear, maybe.
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I don't know. OK, valid.
All valid. But I do think it's funny when
people are like that, like, oh, again, I have no place to judge
because we, you know, we're animal lovers.
We don't eat meat, all these things.
So like on in theory, I should want it, want somebody to be
that way. Like want them to be the person
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that's like, oh, we want to savethe spider and let it outside.
But I do definitely judge peoplewho are like that harshly.
Yes, I just had another thought that's completely unrelated to
this, but we just travelled for this wedding.
I don't know. And I have friends that are
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literally booking flights, tickets full things to go to,
baby showers. And my question is, where are we
drawing the line for ourselves? Let's say, OK, we went to this
wedding and we're going to my brother's wedding in a couple of
months. Let's say they they fall
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pregnant. Is that what people say?
What? Did you hear about Dorothy?
She's fallen pregnant. I think so.
No, it's fallen. I'll they be they get pregnant.
No, no, I'm I'm Googling it. Fallen pregnant.
Fallen pregnant. It's either grossly right.
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Pregnant is an idiomatic phrase primarily used in British,
Irish, Australian and New Zealand English, meaning to
become pregnant. Right.
Again, not American English. How dare she's fallen pregnant.
Oh, say I heard from my brother.She's fallen pregnant.
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So let's say they fall pregnant and then here comes a knock in
our next invite and it's a baby shower this time.
Are we booking another flight plane ticket drive to go to
these baby showers? No, I don't think so.
No. And here's the thing, I draw the
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line. I say no, you say no.
And it's like these people, we love them.
Great. Have a good we.
And I'm just saying, I'll send you a gift, I'll send you money.
A baby shower just feels different to me than a wedding.
Here's what I would say. I would say I am happy to book a
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trip and come visit you. Once the baby.
'S born. The baby is born.
Yes, if you want me to spend themoney to get there, at least
have it be alive. Yes, I'm happy to do that.
I'm I would love to come and meet your baby.
Let's do that. You know what else though?
My one friend is booking a flight to a baby shower.
The baby is already born so she's having the baby shower
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post birth. Which is not how that works.
No, I think why don't more people do this?
Have it once the baby is out so then everyone at the shower can
meet the baby. Yeah.
It's like a Welcome to the WorldParty.
It's like a it's like a birthdayparty, but the day that they're
born. But not the day I'm but it's
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like 4 months old or something. But I think it's like, yeah, why
don't more people do essentiallya registry?
I guess if you need stuff for the baby, it makes sense to do
it while you're pregnant. But why don't you just put a
registry out and have like your mom send it around to people of
like, oh, this is the registry. We're going to have a party once
it's born so you can meet it. And then the party.
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Before, right? You give the gift before it's
born, and then you go to the party and meet it.
Why aren't we were framing society this way?
Yeah, I. Really like this.
This is really good. But I was thinking of that like
when we were looking at their registry for the wedding and
stuff and I was like looking at the items on the registry or
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thinking about what we were, if we were going to give cash or
whatever. And I was like, are we about to
do this in a year again for people with babies like, which
is fine if we do. That's a good.
Question have babies immediatelybecause now our friends are all
in the phases of booking a million trips to go to these
baby showers and they're inviting out of state.
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So like the one that my friends going to is in Seattle, but the
other one she was invited to is in Texas and the other one she's
in I'm like you're and the otherone's in Nashville.
I'm like, you have so many friends with babies and you're
flying to them all. You know what's interesting?
I've I've never been to a baby shower.
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Never. Never.
Never. Because I have either.
I have to hand it to the people in my life.
None of them have ever pressuredme to travel out of town to go
to 1. I mean, we were invited to.
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We were invited but we were not pressured to definitely and I
think that that is that has started to change a little bit.
Oh, yeah. But also, yeah, with more, I
think with your family, the people that invited us, it was
more like, we just want you to know that you would be included
if you were in town. Which I think is very kind.
Which is sweet, but I think like, in general there, yeah,
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there was never an expectation that we fly.
It was like, oh, if you're already in town, you could come
to this. But like, I don't know, I'm just
thinking like, are we about to be booking all these flights a
second time in a year because everyone's going to get
pregnant? I mean, maybe, but I, I, I think
the good, it's a good rule that we don't need to be there for
the shower. If you need, you know, a car
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seat or something, we'll throw money in towards a car seat.
Yeah, we send a gift and then I want to fly to you when it's a
person now. Yeah, which I think is way
better than going to a shower. Way better because also, what do
you do at a baby shower other than open gifts?
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Nothing. You play like weird games.
That's which we got to stop withthat.
Or or sometimes they do the gender reveal at the shower.
Sometimes. They do.
I actually saw something on Reddit on the child free section
that applies to this conversation somebody wrote.
Nothing's more disgusting than asoon to be parent obsessed with
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the gender of their baby. He said.
It's the most recent example, but in general seeing the way
parents often borderline fetishize their kids gender is
one of the main things that amplifies my child free stance.
Today an anonymous poster wrote under something saying after
three boys I'm finally having a girl.
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She came to terms with the fact that a boy mom is all she will
ever be. Then accidentally stayed
pregnant for the 4th time. Baby turned out to be a girl.
Now she's in disbelief and overjoyed.
Everybody's all happy for her. I'm here sharing this, I'm here
sharing this here saying I not because I want to gossip,
because I'm genuinely disturbed.Maybe I'm overdramatic, but
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there is no way this is good foranyone involved, right?
And I have to agree. I have to agree.
And I think the gender reveal thing is a little odd and the
baby shower thing is a little odd.
Yeah. Celebrate the baby that comes
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out and who they are. I mean, I think it's fine to
want to know. Yeah, I get that.
Like I don't think it needs for planning purposes.
Surprise. I don't think it needs to be a
surprise when you give birth. But yeah, I don't know.
I think it's when people are like, we're hoping for a boy.
It's like OK. I, I just feel like spiritually
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somehow that you're or like physically you're sending that
message through your blood or something.
You know what I mean? That like, yeah, we didn't want
you to turn out to be a girl, so.
It's just weird, but I do, I, I it's a good question to ask
about the baby showers because we've never discussed what our
boundary is there. And it's not a boundary out of
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like being an asshole or anything.
It's literally like, guys, there's a lot of, there's too
many life things that we have tojust buy tickets for all the
time and buy gifts for all the time.
Pranks on Tiktok where someone'slike, oh, do you have plans on
Saturday? I told, I told our parents or my
I told my mom that we would go to her dog's christening or
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something. And it's like someone pranking
their partner saying that they're going to like a pet's
christening or baptism or like shower for a dog or a cat.
That sounds great. But it's like, if we get invited
to a ton of baby showers, we should just send out a fake
prank invite for, like, our dog's baptism.
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Yeah, Daisy recently found Christ.
She found Jesus. Wait, we should also do we make
fun of them every year. Everybody knows our stance on
Christmas cards and like the theend of year update that people
send, we should do an end of year update on our dogs.
Wait, this could be fun. Like Daisy back in January, we
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got her a toy that she really liked.
Maddie lost 2 teeth in my. I love this idea.
Wow, this. Is a good idea, is it not?
I think so. Would people know we're being
ironic, or do you think they would think we're being serious?
I don't know. It doesn't really matter though,
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it's fine. OK, we'll make them on
Shutterstock. It's fine.
Yeah, Do people use Shutterstockanymore?
Yeah, why are you slandering that?
Well, I recently did a project, a little project thing for you,
and I had to go get a print of something.
And I went into Walgreens and they looked at me like a freak
for getting something printed, OK.
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And I just, I'm like, it's not that big of a deal, man.
I'm just printing a picture. I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know. Anyway, OK, you almost.
Do you think it's because of what the picture was?
I feel like feel like you're painting a different picture
than what happened. No, but do you think it's
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because you photoshopped a picture of my face with Lizzie
McGuire? I didn't.
I cut that out. Oh, so it was just.
A picture of it was just a normal picture.
Yeah, it was just a normal picture.
It was a picture of me and you. I cut myself out of it.
That's really funny. OK.
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OK, you almost went to war this weekend when we were in central
Northern California. Yeah, the day it did end in Y,
we were at a beautiful area known as, what was it, Lovers
point in. Monterey.
Monterey, or I almost said caramel by the sea, Carmel by
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the sea, Carmel by the sea. Yeah, but we are at this place
called Lovers Point. It was really cool because it
was like an area that jets out from the shoreline where there
was like a bunch of these, what they call ground squirrels.
There were hundreds of them and 1 jumped up on your goddamn lap
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because it was looking for, it was like a a Snow White moment.
It jumped up on your lap lookingfor like a treat or something.
You didn't have anything. But next to that we were walking
on this path and saw was it an Otter or a seal?
A. Seal.
It occurs to me that I don't think I know the difference.
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Honey, what? Yeah.
It's usually a seal or a sea lion are different things.
And Otter is fully like those brown fuzzy animals.
What? Yeah, I don't think I know the
difference between an Otter, a sea lion and A and the other
thing that I said a second ago. A seal?
A sea lion? Honey.
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Google a picture of an Otter right now.
OK, I will one second. You can.
You're upsetting everyone. No, I'm not.
Definitely everyone listening tothis is like what?
OK, yeah, I see what you're saying.
And Otter is a tiny little thing.
No, but like they, they're very similar actually.
No, they're not. But my brain puts them in the
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same bucket anyway. One of a sea lion.
A sea lion was laying out sunning and you almost had to
RIP a man's head off. Yeah, this man.
So we were on Bluffs like littleCliff area and there was a sea
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lion that we all spotted like usand 10 other people spotted
laying on a rock down below, like right at the water's edge.
And he was sending himself. And then there was another one a
little bit further away on another rock.
And so we were all like, Oh, my gosh, we almost didn't see them
because they were kind of camouflaged with their spotted
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bodies and on this perfect rock.And look at him.
He's so cute. So then it was us and like, a
couple families and like a couple ladies.
And we were all just sitting there marveling over their
bodies. And we were like, oh, wow, look
how cute they are. And then this man with his
daughter started climbing down the rock bluff.
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Yeah. Now granted it wasn't as high as
like those pictures you see of the bridges in Carmel, or like
the sheer rock face like it. Was it was still pretty, like it
was sizeable enough that it was like weird that he was walking
down. It was weird that he was
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climbing down. Yeah.
And then he was bringing his daughter right after him, who
was like, I don't know, 12? Maybe, yeah.
Maybe she was big enough to get down there without him carrying
her, but like she was a child. Anyways, so we're watching them
start to go down there and I'm like, what the fuck is he doing?
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And then he got to the bottom and started walking closer to
the sea lion with his fucking phone out.
And the sea lion sees him and he's like, oh, and starts to
scooch off the rock. And I'm like, first of all, how
long did it take this poor sea lion to get his body situated on
this rock? And now a stupid human idiot
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predator is making him feel unsafe in his own habitats to
what? You also phone zoom in.
You can't just zoom in the fucking phone.
Why did you have to climb down the rock face to like harass
this fucking sea lion? So I start getting pissed and
then I go, oh, so I start talking louder.
I'm like, oh, so some idiots have to ruin it for everyone.
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And I start calling them idiots pretty loudly.
And then I had enough because hegot within like 10 feet of the
sea lion and he was still movingforward and the sea lion was
getting visibly uncomfortable. And then I go, are you fucking
kidding me? Get away from it.
And then his wife or acquaintance or someone was
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like, ma'am, he doesn't speak English.
And I go, ma'am, you don't have to speak English to have a
brain. Tell him to tell him to get away
from then. I'm like, you tell him then to
get away from the fucking sea lion.
And so at first glance, that sentence might seem Trumpy
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energy, and I'd like you to replay it for yourself if you're
feeling that way right now. What you're saying it's
actually. Very liberal.
Everyone should have a brain, nomatter their color, gender,
shape, size, or demographic or nationality.
You don't go harass a sea lion in its natural habitat,
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regardless of what language you speak.
Respect defies the boss also have no idea language.
Genuinely have no idea where they were from.
Was her accent Russian? German?
I don't know because I blacked out.
No, I really have no. Idea they were from I think
somewhere in Europe. Doesn't matter to me.
If you're an idiot, you're an idiot and I will yell at you
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loudly and I will call you a fucking idiot and I will tell
you to get away from an animal. You're and in many ways being a
voice for the voiceless in this situation and.
So I. Honestly.
Flopped off the rock and had andwas afraid and went back into
the water. He ruined it for everyone.
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And then his wife said and whatever other again, I blacked
out, said in some other languagefor him to get up off the rock
and for him also. You don't know this could have
gone so many directions. You don't know that the sea
lion's not gonna charge you because it feels threatened and
hurt your daughter. I know.
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Like, OK, you have your phone inits fucking face, but you don't
know that you're not endangeringyour kid.
I know. And you're also teaching your
kid that this is OK behavior. It's it's you're teaching your
child it's OK to invade somebodyelse's space.
For your own enjoyment that are defenseless.
Yeah, it's, it was so frustrating.
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And it was literally, I thought about it like if aliens came to
Earth and they were like, what does this phrase mean?
A bad apple spoils the bunch. I would I would play a clip of
that whole thing. And of course also like not to
be shaming everyone else or you because I think I just have more
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of a snap reaction about things.But like, out of the 20 people
standing there, really I'm the only one to yell at him?
I think it was just AI mean. You're not wrong, but it was
just a very it. I was just so surprised it was
happening. It was one of those like out of
body experiences and like why the fuck he's walking down
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there? What is happening?
And even at one point I felt like the sea lion, Otter, sea
lion. Honey, I feel.
Or sea lion. It's definitely not an Otter.
It was. Like one point he was even
looking at him like, are you really coming up to me right
now? Yeah.
What is happening? It was so, it was so weird.
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It, it was just, it was so unfortunate.
And it's like you, you want to think the best in people.
And then you see people like that and it's like, OK, well,
This is why rules exist. You're the ones ruining it for
everyone. Yeah, This is why, you know, at
the zoo you can't go beyond a certain point, and This is why.
People invented railings. Right.
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To designate that you can't go there, but I thought a rock
Cliff face was enough. I know it was.
Apparently not. And a common sense, you're
literally not only you putting your kid in danger to some
extent you're also teaching thema really bad behavior.
Uh huh. Oh, it was so frustrating.
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It was so frustrating. That being said, I do love sea
lions. You need to put some respect on
their name, and you're not allowed to say that until you
actually know the difference. I love otters too.
I love and. What about seals?
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I also love seals. Seals are like the ones you see
doing like stunts at Universal Studios that walk across the
stage with their big flippers and they like put their heads
up. Sure, sea lions are what we saw.
That's like big and blubbery with tiny fins.
And an Otter is. The furry things that like swim
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on their backs and hold hands. Sea lions don't do that.
No, they're big and blubbery. They lay together.
They spoon. I see, I'm listen.
I'm still learning to think. I at one point wanted to be an
oceanographer. Thank God you didn't do that.
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You'd be miss categorizing a bunch of species.
It wasn't my strong suit in school.
That was not my strong suit. Yeah.
I mean, that was the that was the most intense thing that
happened this weekend. That was the most intense thing.
And you would have thought it would have happened at the
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wedding, but no, it didn't. It happened on the beach with a
sea lion and a stranger from Godknows where.
Couple things before we go. There was apparently a trend
going around right now with people who are.
I guess there's a whole new trend with people who are
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deciding who their next of kin is going to be.
And for people like us that don't have kids, there are
people who are either choosing afriend to like, carry on their
wishes if something happens. There's also services that are
starting to pop up that you can hire A next of kin to make those
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decisions for you if you don't have somebody.
This is a new thing. This is a new type of.
Business. I could be hired by a stranger
to be their next of kin. So the idea is like, let's say
you and I right now have $1,000,000 to our name and we
don't really have any friends that we trust.
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We don't really have any family left, but we need somebody to
take care of those decisions of where our money goes and all
that stuff. After we pass, we can hire
somebody to do that and like be that person instead of it just
kind of by default going to the state or whatever.
So it's a new type of business, which is like really morbid, but
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also kind of cool because you can see to it that like your
stuff goes through the proper channels, but it seems somehow
manipulative. I don't know.
Seems weird and also like who gives a shit because you're
dead? See, that's what I think that
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people always, it's an interesting thought experiment
because people always ask us like, well, what happens when
you pass? Do you want to give your money
to the animals? Do you want to give your money
to this person or that person? I'm like, I think I would love
if our money went to an some sort of.
Animal cause for it. We could just break that in a
will. OK, Dylan, but why do I have to
hire someone to do it? Right, it's a little odd.
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Just to insure it or like. I don't know, I don't really
know how to work. Does that person get like a cut
for doing this? Right.
Is there a finder's fee? Also, I am what I am for hire.
I will do this. I'll totally do this.
That sounds like the easiest jobever.
Yeah, well, they told it to go over there or so I'm just going
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to. Yeah, put it over there.
Over there. And then now I'm done.
And now. And there's no input from like
them because they're dead. Right.
I do think to an extent like I want, I want the stuff to go to
animals and all that. That's great.
And also ignorance is bliss. I won't know.
I mean, we might know if we see it from the other side.
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We might. We might be missed.
But you know what else I can do from the other side?
Help animals as a ghost so I'll be fine.
I'm going to come and haunt people like that guy we saw with
the seal or not. Not the seal, the.
Sea lion God. Honey, damn it.
Fuck, why is that so hard for me?
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Son of a bitch. You're sealed dyslexic.
I am very sealed dyslexic. It's like hard for me to say God
damn. The last thing I want to leave
you with is there is a new newsletter I'm going to sign
this up for it called Dinkwad life.
Thank God. And it is all, remember that
again, is double income, no kidswith a dog.
And they are, quote UN quote, building a home base for people
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like us. I don't know what that means.
We'll have to see if it's a swinger site like we did with
the app that came up, the DINK, whatever that was DINK life.
But yeah, I I think it's cool. The whole point is I think it's
cool. Like there's communities and
stuff like that popping up. It's like people have their book
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clubs, people have their dinner clubs and like DINK
organizations and DINK newsletters and stuff are
popping up. I think it's neat.
Will we go to any of these things?
Bye. You know, we'll see.
I think there's a better chance of us going if we get a
newsletter every week or whatever.
(46:22):
OK, I'll sign us up for the dankquad.
There's a chance it's a prank too.
I don't know. What?
What a weird prank that would be.
Some people are in it for the long game, you know.
It's you. Yeah, I'm just testing the water
right now with you. You're like lol wouldn't that be
crazy if someone started a newsletter?
(46:43):
It's your ghost writer name like.
Yeah, Tyler Scott. Anyway, thanks for a a good pod
babe. We did it.
We'll get through the week together and if you listener can
tell me the difference between aOtter, a sea lion or a seal,
(47:03):
write me. Please let me know.
What's your hang up? They couldn't be more different.
Can you tell that I'm really tired or do you think I got
through that podcast? Don't do a disclaimer.
Don't do a disclaimer. Bye.
Everybody.
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