November 4, 2025 • 50 mins
Tommy Gunn is one of the most prolific & versatile male performers of his generation. He's an multi award- winning veteran with over 20 years in the industry. Fans Only: The Human Side of Porn, a documentary about Tommy's career in the adult industry, & book Tommy Gunn: Unloaded. Dyanna Lauren- is an AVN Hall of Famer, erotic dancer,actress, singer & director. horror short The Girl in the Street, Directed by the Black filmmaking duo Chris & Miles (Chris Paicely & Miles August.)
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:07):
Hey, if it's Tuesday, it's movie reviews and more, and
we're live. And this is one hundred and seventy seven
straight live shows in a row, Rachel, this is show
number fifty. We got two more before we start season
sticks and we just keep going. And the reason why
the streak is important because the reason it stopped was
I was in Houston, Texas. You remember that we've been
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going straight live. We've never missed a show, no matter
where I've been cross country. How many people can say that,
nobody that I know of in the world. And if
you are in the world, show me and let me know,
because I don't like to be the only one. But
I was at Rachel's house when we nobody showed up.
Remember that, Rachel, that was funny. That's like two and
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a half years ago, we've been doing this. The good
thing about this this show has been booked for almost
four months, so we're gonna have a friend Tommy Gunnar
and Diana suggested that this happened because it was about
life after porn. And you know, when Chris was on
the end of last you know week show for sixty seconds,
I'm like, I got to have you back because your
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short film is really good. And since I'm gonna be
in Illinois and they're in Chicago, I said, why not.
And I'm like just letting you know. It's an X
rated show, but it's still about films and we all
are film lovers because Rachel watches a lot more films
than most of the average people. Diana watches a lot.
So when I come to see her once a year,
you know, I usually will watch something from either Stars
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or AMC. And Chris, I don't know you yet, but
I'm glad to know you and your partner Miles. So
since you guys are here, first, I want you two
to introduce yourself so you can't say you got you
no more than sixty seconds this time there.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Right, all right?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
So you guys came directors, So this is interesting because
Rachel hasn't seen this short. Let's talk about your film first,
Miles introduced yourself because you weren't here last week.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Go ahead, Yeah, yeah, sorry, yeah, ho. I'm a co
director on Girl on the Street. Yeah. I don't know
what else.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I just like putting people on the spot and Rachel,
all right, Chris, tell them who you are, and I
want to go. I went to your film and a
little bit ahead.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah, Chris.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Basically, I'm the director of Girl on the Street, co
founder some good films we made. We have a couple
of shorts kind of on the festival circuit right now,
so kind of an exciting time for us. And they're
very different films, and I think the Girl on the
Street is one that has been getting a lot of attention.
It's been getting selected for a lot of festivals of
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wance some awards already.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
So we're an exciting little little season.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
All right, my good friend Rachel, tell them who you are,
where you're coming from?
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Okay, Oh, thank you. I'm Rachel Roberts and I have
a little morning internet show called Coffee Talk and it's
been going on for a few years or yeah, more
than that, and I've been with Brian for several years
as a co host here and I do. I don't
know a lot of TikTok stuff lately.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And you have a lot of products senter you. Congratulations,
you off for that.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Thanks And tomorrow I think, yeah, tomorrow morning, I think
I'm gonna be with Reuben with Fox News.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
They call me every now and then have me.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Come out there and I get to do coffee talk
on the news.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So that's fun.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
And that's a great thing because you know, there's a
lot of people are jealous that you're doing that. You
know that it's fine. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. Well,
it is funny, and you deserve that because you worked
your ass off to get that far. And that's important,
especially there, you know. And then Diana, you know, let's
let's see how well you can speak. So she is
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an actor, she is a director, she's producer. She's one
of the smartest people you know that I know in
my universe. There isn't anything that she can't do that
she can't figure out. That's good.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
Take it away, Diana, take it away, Put you on
the spot, get you answered some questions right away.
Speaker 8 (05:01):
Right now.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
All I'm trying to do is survive. I keep going
from one sickness to another to another. But you know,
I rallied today because I was not gonna let Brian
down and I wanted to support my friend Tommy, who
isn't here right now, but he'll be catching up with
us a little later. The work that he did in
the documentary that he brought forward, I was so moved
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by because it's all the things we never got to say,
all the things when there were big companies where we
weren't allowed to show the human side because it was
all so much fantasy. So I wanted to actually just
be here more in support of that. And you know,
I always love being around my friend Brian, especially when
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he's here and I can hear him down stairs.
Speaker 9 (05:48):
Helloy, he is right there.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
And so Miles and Chris holm on because he's actually
on a set so he may have sometimes. So this
is gonna be a weird good show. And I forgot
to say this. So we're broadcasting live and talk for
me hey for HD radio, talk for TV and streaming
on over one hundred dollars for the world right now
and that's the good thing, and also streaming on Women
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on TV dot TV. I two four seven out of Franklin, Tennessee,
where where we have over forty million views in counting.
So that's the god. And I kicked the rest of
the host off because I want to make sure we
had time with Tommy and I want them Miles, you
don't know what's going on here, but you know, usually
we have like nine people on our shows continuously, and
Rachel will tell you. You know, if someone's not around,
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they're fighting to stay on the spot because they nods
and we all have fun and well we're very very
close with each So Tommy's going off of his phone
because his computer is old, but he didn't know he's
going to be on the set. That's a challenge and everything.
So Miles and Chris, you guys know what this stuff
is like when it comes to technology.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Right, definitely, Yeah, we've been there.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah all right.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
So Tommy, now that we have I don't know how
many before you have to go back, tell everybody who
you are, where you're coming from.
Speaker 9 (07:05):
Tom I am Tommy Gunn and I'm currently on set
actually here in East LA in Los Angeles, uh A,
on a movie shit called Scissors two, where I get
to play a strip club manager so I thought I
would flick my hair back and get this slip to
you know, the script club manager vibe going.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So yeah, let me ask you this. What did they
say time wise that you had.
Speaker 9 (07:33):
Well, they cut me loose and said, okay, you're good
to go about your business and then we're going to
shoot some other stuff. So I have until they come
get me, which is probably forty five minutes plenty of time.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Okay, all right, So everybody is a filmmaker and a
producer and a director in a different way. So Tommy,
now that you can introduce yourself, let's see what clip
this is. I don't know what a rebel put up?
What let's show surprise, Let's just go for it.
Speaker 9 (07:57):
Yeah, I'm gonna put on special glances on it's going.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And don't do anything to your phone. Okay. The street,
so Myles said, Christmas is good.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Mm hmm. There's a girl out there.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
She's in the street.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
She's screaming.
Speaker 10 (08:23):
She seems distressed, and she's in some kind of trouble.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Should I should I do something?
Speaker 9 (08:32):
Why haven't you checked on her?
Speaker 8 (08:33):
Sir?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
She's got something on her head, it's like like a face.
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And so I was in Chris. Now that this film
has arrived and you guys are award winners, Now, how
does that make you guys feel? Because this is not
easy doing these things and submitting the film festivals.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, it's been it's been a fun journey. We've had
like a couple so far.
Speaker 10 (09:12):
We just came back from Vancouver, Brooklyn.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Christians came back from Maryland. I think it was. We
got another stressful coming up in Canada.
Speaker 10 (09:22):
So it's been interesting seeing and just sort of the
reception from people who we don't know because we did
like and you know, we had a lot of people
that were just friends and the family the film for
and it's always a different sort of experience with people
who have no reason to like the film at all.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And so the response from that has been great.
Speaker 10 (09:46):
Like, we've met a ton of people, a bunch of
different connections that we've made just going to the different festivals,
the people that might be able to help on potential
films in the future.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So it's been interesting so far. And there's more.
Speaker 10 (10:00):
There's more than were It's coming in every day, so
there's there's more.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Festivals will be at uh I'm pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
But Miles, good for the audience because we have the
audio version of this too. Tell everybody what just a
little bit of what your background is.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (10:14):
Yeah, So I initially, like I started out in music production,
Like so I produced music for a long time, and
then I ended up going to school, uh and getting
a degree and not film I did.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I got a design and I sort of use kind
of all of.
Speaker 10 (10:33):
That in some sense, uh to help us make hitch
techs or like even just a resource.
Speaker 9 (10:40):
For I'm actually going to move here to see if
a better reception.
Speaker 10 (10:43):
Sorry, oh yeah, but just like using like different things
that I've had to do over the years, it kind
of helped us put like films together. So my background
really is like music and just sort of design, and
we kind of use that to my advantage as a filmmaker.
I think my dying sort of, I is my contribution
to a lot of the stuff that we end up
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filming is coming from that perspective as a diner.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
So a lot of a lot of different forms of art.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
That I've kind of dabbled in and that got me
to this point.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
It's Christian next, but Tommy, hey, don't move, stay where
you are.
Speaker 8 (11:19):
And it's a good bad experience.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Wi Fi. You know, un here you find don't move. Hey, Chris,
talking about your experience of this, because I know what
it's like to pick films in the Hollywood Film Festival,
and I always tell filmmakers it's not easy to get
films in. There's a lot of films that go in,
and just because you're not chosen doesn't mean your film
it's not good and your film is good. And so
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what happens with a lot of these things is they
may be two or three films that fit that criteria,
but it doesn't mean it's not in. But when you
also get into the other film festivals, that's a great
thing because a lot of films are just not chosen,
and it's not because they're not bad or not good.
It's just they have what they need to have out
and that's never explained to you guys.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Yeah, no, true, Yeah no, that was kind of our experience.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
I mean, a couple of years ago, we made our
first short called Alice, and it was like a science
fiction film and we felt like we were making was
pretty good, but we really had a hard time getting
into festivals, and a lot of it had to do
with like the length of the film The film was
like they say, like as short as anything under forty minutes,
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but really, if you're making a short, you wanted to
be like ten fifteen minutes something like that. We put
we put together a thirty five minute short, and once
we started going to festivals, we learned like, well, if
your film is that long, it has to probably be
better than like two to three other films if you're
trying to program a shorts block. And so there's all
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these kind of little things you learned just once you're
on the festival scene.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
And so when we made The Girl on the Street and.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Our other films Silk, we kind of had in mind like, Okay,
it needs to be you know, under this link. It
needs to be simple, like like what it's trying to
communicate needs to be more simple, Like we can't try
to communicate seventeen different themes in one, you know, in
a short. We got to really sort of lean into, okay,
what is the concept for this. For the Girl in
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the Street, it's like, yeah, girl shows up in the street,
Like what happens next? And we kind of have fun
just figuring out, Okay, what happens when you go out
there just creating mystery around that, and I think that's
when people have kind of responded to just the mystery
of what it's out there, what does she look like,
what is she going to do?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
What's going to happen to him? Like? So it was
kind of fun to just, you know, just keep it simple.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
See that's good to know because it's one of those
things where I liked it for those reasons. And congratulations
to you guys and added away, It's been a while
since anybody has put Chicago on the map when it
comes to films, you know, if you think of the
you know, the Breakfast Club and all those things like that,
John Hughes, it really hasn't been anybody since then. So
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I'm looking at YouTube to kind of be like that.
So Tommy, you know, it's the last version, right.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
No pressure, pressure.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I have.
Speaker 7 (14:15):
I have forty acres and a bunch of different buildings
and a nineteen hundred's house. You guys ever want to shoot,
You're more than welcome to come out here and use
my property.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Oh wow, that sounds great, Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
I'm I am about an hour and forty minutes from Chicago.
Speaker 8 (14:38):
Oh nice Dixon areas.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Oh shoot, that's where we you know, we shot the
ground street in Oregon, Illinois.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
Oh you did.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
Yeah, we were just talking about because I want to
take then that's like ten minutes from me.
Speaker 8 (14:53):
I wanted to take who.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
Oh okay, I because there's only one hotel, well two hotels, right,
you know.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
It was like an airbnb, like this huge airbnb by
like yeah, yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Yeah, I mean obviously we like shooting out there.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
So yeah, and I'm surrounded by cornfield, so I mean
it's real creepy.
Speaker 8 (15:19):
If you want to do to nice.
Speaker 9 (15:23):
And Tommy, yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Do not tell me taking us on an adventure.
Speaker 9 (15:32):
Yeah, I'm walking around.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I want you to stay right there. And I'll tell
you why. Every time when we have someone on a
film and we can got you, we can hear you,
but we're gonna hear your background noise, and that's what
we don't want. So the other thing is we don't
want to keep losing you too, So getting ready to
show you right here? All right, good, all right, we're
gonna show your trailer. We're gonna come back to talk
to that and then so you can't make a show
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like this up right, rebel? What I mean Rachel, what's
the chance of that I'm shooting? I am? You know
what I mean? All right, Tommy, we're gonna show you
your clip. Now, let's take a look at a sounds great.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
We're actually okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
There's something wrong with.
Speaker 11 (16:26):
What are you waiting for? You'll be made perfect just
like me.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Now I haven't seen that yet, but that's trippy because
that that blond woman makes me think I'm making I'm
already I'm already paranoid of seeing this. But that's a
great trailer. Is that a short film?
Speaker 8 (16:59):
Also?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
My else? Of course?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (17:02):
So we for some reason decided to write two films
at the same time last year, and we kind of
shot them not simultaneously, but we were there in post.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
At the same time.
Speaker 10 (17:13):
And this was the first one that we shot after Silkem,
coming back after we went to south By Southwest, and yeah,
this one is strange.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
We tend to lean into a lot.
Speaker 10 (17:25):
Of sci fi or thriller ish stuff, so this was
kind of our first attempt after doing like our previous
film a couple of years ago, where we had some
confidence as far as like knowing what it was we
wanted to create and how we wanted it to look
visually where we had, like, you know, a little bit
more of our director voices.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
We're kind of a little bit more confident. So that
was like the first.
Speaker 10 (17:48):
Thing that we shot, like going into what was that
twenty twenty four, I guess now, And then we shot
them back to back and they're kind of both making
their festival runs right now.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, you went to South By South What that's a
great thing. Uh, you know, because that's one of the
best festivals in the world. So that's good. So Diana
and Rachel, you haven't seen this ship. So both of
those trailer clips, what did you think of those? Because
Rachel like that. Yeah, that looks.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
Really good, like they want they draw you in there.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Yeah, it was sexy in the beginning. I thought it
was gonna be something Tommy was doing. No, that's coming
next time on that.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
But yeah, we do. But here's the thing on that. Yeah,
for you guys, not only do you have three actresses
not me, you will never see me in a film.
I don't care if I'm playing myself. I am not interested.
But Diana, Rachel, Tommy and you got a new location.
I know you guys didn't plan on that happening, did
you and who would have called it? You know, happening
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in Dixon? Come on, So, I mean, I know people
that don't even know where that is. They think I'm
lost and kidnapped. I just show up for Tuesday Night children.
Really nobody knows where I am. So that's the good thing.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
You're gone, Tommy. We started talking about them shooting. I
offered my house and then come to find out one
of the things they shot was right. They even stayed
right down the street.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
Well, how about that. Your place certainly has the potential.
It's got that. It can be very eerie if you
do a little edit in ads for music.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
Yeah, there's a lot of space things.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
All right.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Now we're going to show your trailer. Child going to
come back? All right?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
All right?
Speaker 12 (19:40):
Making a documentary about ado entertainment. For decades, it's being
called taboo, dirty and even destructive. But is the porn
industry really as bad and evil as so many people
still believe. To help me navigate this journey, is one
of the industry's most recognizable faces, Tommy Gunn.
Speaker 9 (19:58):
My childhood was wonderful. Did I ever think I'm going
to do that job?
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Never are expo in Las Vegas.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
That's the porno super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Pretty much.
Speaker 9 (20:10):
The sex trade has been stignified for all of the ages.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
This whole documentary is about us as people.
Speaker 12 (20:17):
This is our profession and we take pride in it.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
It's wild people's perception.
Speaker 9 (20:22):
Somebody might say, oh, how tough can it be? You know,
you get to have sex with all these beautiful women
and they pay for it.
Speaker 11 (20:27):
Woo hoo.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Who Right. The emphasis was not on the sex in
those movies.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
It was more on the story.
Speaker 9 (20:33):
We never stopped where mainstream stops.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
What people think about porn stars is nothing like what
they're actually like because.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
It's just one big orgy, and I'm like, wouldn't that
all be nice?
Speaker 6 (20:46):
It's not adult education, it's adult entertainment.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
You don't learn how to drive a car by watching
the fastting period.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
The public is a lot more accepting of porn now.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Game of Thrones there was full frontal nudity in that thing.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
No different than well maybe a little different.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, all right, you guys. So this is streaming on
Amazon now and it's actually a really good documentary. So
I've known Tommy and Diana for years, So this is
the side that people, you know, I remember going back,
I would be that only mainstream journalist and person that
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would say, hey, come with me, what do you guys
want to do after this career? And I would bring
them to a lot of my junkets that we would do.
You know, if someone say, hey, I want to meet
sorts of thing, I would say, oh, okay, well I'm
gonna interview onno for you know whatever. You know, terminator
coming up next. You can come sit next to me.
They always tell them, always sits here. I've sit right here.
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If it's not a lot of people in room, I'll
even let you ask one question. But I did those
things because it's about inspiring people to go on to
the next stage of the life. Now that they've gone
to the next stage of the life, Diana has a
great piece of property where I'm that she has the
next stage of her life. Tommy's gone on to the
next thing. It's just like with his truck that he has.
And he's also got a book that he has out
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down too. All right, Tommy, now that he's got you
take it away. Tell him who you are, how many
scenes that you're done, what films that you've been in,
and that.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
You write them off, we'll be here all now.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
Well, as you know, I started the adult industry two
thousand and four to make it real quick. I was
really fortunate and did well for myself. I basically just
showed up and did what they said. They stand here,
read this dialogue, do this thing, have you know, work
with your coach, door and over and over again. I
did that and was blessed to be able to have
a great career in that. So now in the latter
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part of my career, I threw people telling me, hey,
you should write a book. He probably have some really
amazing stories. I decided to do that. In the last
two years, I worked with a gentleman, Jim Steele, and
he basically helped me make that book reality. And then
as far as the documentary, I always thought that the
adult industry had a dark cloak or a dark curtain
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veil over it, and I really wanted to change that
try and make an attempt to show society and people
and whatnot that there are really great people and talented
and very educated part and all those things. So I've
always had a love for filmmaking and acting and all
those things entertainment. I felt like I've always been an
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entertainer at heart, so now at this point pretty likely
see if I could do that. And then I've managed
to do some crossover stuff from adults to mainstream, which
was the television show Entourage. Everybody knows that for the
most part. And then I was blessed to have a
role in a movie called Wolves directed by David Hayter
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and Jason Momoa and Lucas Tilb were in that. Then
additionally I did a movie for a company, gangster Land,
with Milo Gibson Mel Gibson's son. I play Mayor Devor
and that was opposite of Michael Perey and Jason Patrick
and stuff. So I managed to do some mainstream stuff
when they, I guess, for lack of better words, you know,
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were welcoming enough to have me in their in their project,
and they weren't scared of the some of the collateral issues,
like oh, how can you have a guy who did
those movies being yours that do this? And I always thought, well,
I can't deny that twenty two years of making movies
and twenty two years of being in front of the camera,
and then an international fan base wouldn't come to follow
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me over to my to see what I was doing
in the mainstream world. So I have a built in
fan base over the here is. Whether they want to
recognize that or not, I think there's no denying that.
And I think Diana can layton with all the things
I said, so I let her take over.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Well.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
I honestly when I saw he said, oh, I did
this documentary.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
It's on Amazon, and I was.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Actually I was I couldn't believe that he had actually
gotten something that had it was adult related on Amazon.
And so then when I watched it, when you are
somebody who is extremely intelligent and you go to convey
to somebody what this world is really like, we are
(25:13):
not just sex addicts. You know, it's nothing like that
at all. In any ways.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
We are more athletes if you knew what went into each.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
And every scene and all of the things that you
have to do and how you may not feel like
doing that that day.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
There is so many.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
People that just think because they have their relationship with
what adult is, they really think that they know what
is in us. They have no idea that you know,
their grandmother may have died that day, or you know,
whatever the case may be, it is it's a human
intimate thing that you're doing, you just happen to be
(25:54):
showing it to the rest of the world.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
And it is it is our bravery.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
That has tested most every venue of new entertainment, whether
it be multi screen, whether it be AI, whether it
be going from Beta camp, from film to betacam, to
from DVDs to Blu rays to all.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
Of those things.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
It has always been our industry that has.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Led the way. And Chris, what she's a leading to
is the Two Electronics Show CS show every January. I
don't know how old you two guys are, but back
in the day when we were all having fun.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
With Rachel's.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Because Rachel's my friend, we talk about this stuff all
the time. Is that the CS show was combined with
the AVN Show adult video news show at that point
the first week of January, and so there was a
lot of crossovers. So I was always that mainstream journalist
that was credential for both sides, and I would be
on the CES shot one way was going on on
the adult side, to be on the adult side one
(26:57):
of what's going on with the CS shot. So when
it came to the technologies, whether it was you know, vibrators,
or DHS machine made of machines, CD remember CD ROMs.
All this stuff started on the adult side. First they
led the way to everything, and then the main stream
well caught up slowly but surely in past and then
(27:19):
ABN thought they were big enough and they split off,
and you know, they decided to go up against Sunday
and so they have their own thing at that point now,
But it was never the same. But all those people.
There was literally one hundred and thirty five thousand people
at CES Saturday and Sunday, and Tommy and Diana, every
single one of those main chief people were coming over
and end they were stretching their necks, long line and
(27:42):
everything they go. They were making promises on I'll put
you in our film. They were like they were there
and if it weren't for them, a lot of them
wouldn't have a big huge fan base. Tommy's got like
seventy four thousand followers on his Instagram. I don't even
know if what he has on his Facebook, but that's
from just regular people, and they all watch films. I
was there to see these things and I'm just relaying
(28:05):
the metss and I always remind people, what do you
think the stuff came from. And you know, you guys
remember VSDA in the summers in Vegas Video Software Dealers Association.
Where do you think the wrestlers came from? And all
those rock and rollers? Do you think Gene Simmons wasn't
having fun with a lot of people. Of course they
all were.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
No, He's always at all of our conventions.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I'm just letting you guys know, say, you know, Chris
is raising his eyebrows. He's like, maybe we have another
film in us on this part. That's how a lot
of people were tasked. And think about this Boogie Knights.
Paul Thomas Anderson, look where he is now? That was
his first film. Where do you think he came to?
He came to my event that Bill Margo let me
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run back in nineteen ninety four. So Nina Hardley was
in it. You know there there was a lot of
people in it. Heather Graham boy just ran into last
week at AF five. She was roller girl. You know
what do you think Rachel was at one point? But
it was one of these things. Everybody started someplace. You
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can't never judge where people come from because directing is
not easy. Diana knows what that's like you guys know
what that's Like's not. I wouldn't do that stuff. You
couldn't pay me to do what you guys did. And
that's why I respect the audi that. Yeah, yeah, they
(29:29):
told me who was that I was trying to stink in?
Speaker 9 (29:31):
No, that was Harry the director.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
No, no, no, you had a girl who was peeping
her head and before who is that?
Speaker 9 (29:38):
Oh you know, I.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Care, Okay, I.
Speaker 8 (29:45):
Meant, I meant a loss for names. That's a good
position to.
Speaker 9 (29:50):
Be just to just to try to throw us in there.
That was no, by no accident. At the ce S
and the A b N were at the same time.
They want to stupid.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker 9 (30:02):
A lot of times, like you said that, our industry
has been approving grounds for these technological you know, advances
and whatnot. They realized, hey, if it works there, let's
incorporate that and do it in our mainstream world and such.
No one could deny that the content is being viewed
and is being received by old plant at the end
(30:23):
of the day.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
So they're either watching it or they're lying about watching
it or wanting it.
Speaker 9 (30:29):
People in the world you're either having sex or wanting it.
I don't know any.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Mile. The first AI doll that I saw in twenty
nineteen was at the AVN convention. Now it's called aed
AE Adult Entertainment x FLO. It was in the corner.
Nobody was paying attention to it, and it looked like Megan.
It was a full body thing. I like, someone's going
to use these things, so as you're that blonde looks
(30:57):
in there. That's what they looked like. It was real
this twenty nineteen, I still had the photos of it,
and I'm like, no one was paying attention. Was in
the corner. Look where those things are. Now, look what
happened to Megan. No difference, No difference.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Rachel got a question at all? Not why do you
do that? Like throw it out violent?
Speaker 6 (31:18):
I am just the whole time. Okay Tommy, So okay,
you are you able to have like normal relationships like
have when you meet somebody like a girl and.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
You try to you know, and you're like, wow, I'm
a porn star.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
I mean, do you have a wife, do you have children?
Speaker 9 (31:37):
Do you have you know, I have no wife. I
had two at one point I tried.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
To at the same time.
Speaker 9 (31:44):
One before the business I was married for about four
years before the business. Then I was married in the
business five years. And uh, before the business you.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Were married, whether you were married to a woman while
you were, you know, a porn star.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
And wife was like, yeah.
Speaker 9 (32:01):
No, she wasn't. She was not in the business. My
first wife, she and I we were not in the
business at all at that point. She did modeling, she
was on Playboy cover. I did mail dancing like Chippendale
style type thing, and was pursuing designing clothes and making
clothes and whatnot. And then once that ended, I.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
And Tommy was as lotchy you just needed yourself by accident.
Pick up, pick up on what you just said.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
Oh so, anyway, I was in the I was in
the adult industry in a capacity where it was just
as a dancer, mail review chippendales, And then I got
into the adult industry where I finally took the last
piece of clothing off and decided to engage in a
sexual act on cameras. That's really basically the thing. So
then I was married in the business. And as one
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could imagine, there's some difficulties in the in the business
as far as the potential for jealousy whatnot. And such.
I experienced that it wasn't all my stend. It was
my wife's, which was unfortunate because I tried to support
her in any ways as far as her doing her
job and whatnot. But uh so there was that, and
(33:12):
now I might My last relationship was probably thirteen years ago.
I was in an additional relationship a girl with a
girl that was in the business. Romantically. We weren't married
or anything of that nature, but we tried it. And again, tragically,
there was some age differences. But it seems like Matthew
mcconiughsy like Matthew McConaughey, Conaughey says, I just keep getting
(33:35):
older and they all stay the same age. So and then,
as far as trying to work navigate a relationship in
the mainstream world, I guess, like a better word civilian
world that to people that don't do our industry as civilians,
there would be some communication and trust issues. There's very
(33:57):
It's almost impossible. Unfortunately it's not.
Speaker 6 (34:01):
Yeah, it seems like it would be. It seems like
that would be really tough.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
There are either expected or there are disappointments. There are
social standards of what people expect in a relationship.
Speaker 8 (34:16):
And even if you think.
Speaker 7 (34:18):
You're okay with it, there is always going to be
that one person that you have to be able to
put your boundaries and say that person might bother me
if you were with them, But to be able to
have that relationship and actually talk about those things isn't
something that happens very often. And that also creates the
infamous third person. You always have the adult industry to
(34:40):
blame when there is an actual communication or problem with
the relationship. It's always the infamous while you're going out
to do this.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
And so here's why I'm going to step in because
in interviewing all those celebrities, they have the exact same problem.
So you can't blame that industry when they're having the
same problems because I know I was there with Nick
Cage and I don't know again, don't Miles and Chris,
I don't know how the old you guys are are,
Charlie Sheen and all those guys. They were all having fun.
(35:14):
We were all friends and I was there, well, yeah,
we were all if you you know you know his
his his publicists at that point, Stan Rosenfelt, which is
George Clooney's publicist, Danny DeVito and Helen Marron, Morgan Freeman,
Gene Simmons. But he used to have Will Smith and
then he couldn't take Charlie Sheen anymore. And he actually
(35:36):
got rid of Charlie Sheen. And if you look in
the background, if you watch it Charlie's doc, it's very good.
It's on Netflix, you will see guys. Small guy with glasses,
that's Stan Rosenfelt. He's one of the most powerful, you know,
publicists in the world. And I'm just happy that till
this day, going back to nineteen ninety six, he's let
me interview all of his clients. That's just him. So
(35:57):
he's had to deal with all of these things. So
there is no diference is when it comes to those
worlds like that. And I was always that guy to say, hey,
these are my friends, they can act. They into the
adult business. Sometimes they were told that they were into
the mainstream world, weren't they, Diane. At the time, people
actually told them that, which was twelve nonsense.
Speaker 9 (36:17):
Think of this when I got into the acting, when
I got into the adult world, I looked at it like,
if I'm an actor, this is the role I'm going
to play? A male porn star for the next two years.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Do you age out of it? Do people like yeah?
Speaker 6 (36:34):
And then is there like a certain age where you like,
they're like, all right, you're too old for this now?
And then is that why? You know what happens when
you get to be a certain age.
Speaker 7 (36:42):
Well, the stamina that it takes to do it is
one thing, all right, right, But I'm fortunate that if
I really wanted to be back because of all of
the milk and yeah, right right, all that, I'd be fine. Yeah, yeah,
you start to you know, the industry has changed, so
(37:03):
they're not really looking for actors anymore. They're looking for
somebody who can do the short game. And that's not
what really either. He can do it all day long,
but that's not what I'm you know, I don't want
to be doing that.
Speaker 8 (37:15):
Neither does He likes the long game too. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (37:18):
I love the creative, the acting, the development movies. That's
why I got That's why I still, deep down inside
possess a filmmaking acting, creative urgent and want to continue
on that trajectory. It's just a pivot now at this point,
you know, nobody can deny twenty two years in front
of the camera. You can't say that.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Yeah, I don't have talent, right, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (37:44):
You have the ability to handle myself. Yeah, I'm thinking
about that as an actor. You know, if you were
an actor and somebody say, okay, this role, provide this role,
uh requires you to do this thing and that's have
sexual camera. That can you as an actor do that?
I did it?
Speaker 8 (38:03):
And there are a lot of movies that we don't know.
Speaker 7 (38:07):
I was just looking at a list. I was telling you, Tommy,
not too long ago. There's a list of all these
movies where they really wanted it to be real.
Speaker 8 (38:15):
They're not showing it to us.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Actually happened.
Speaker 7 (38:18):
It happened, right, It was happening on set because they
wanted it to be real.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
They're just not telling you that, and so it doesn't
get deemed dex rated.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Wow. Oh yeah, so again, Hey Tommy, So if you
guys think of Nine and a half Weeks, all those
movies and then in the eies in the nineties when
people were showing it to the video stores are renting.
That's why those movies did so well, because people could
go and rent them and take them home, and those
it just takes made a lot of money a lot
(38:51):
of people, and a lot of those people say, hey,
can we get this girl to come and do a
nude scene or the duer standing? And they did, and
so they got work and they didn't always use their names,
but you know they were willing to do it. And
I just want to that, right, you know.
Speaker 9 (39:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
And first we got a question for Tommy, because Tommy's
going to ask you guys once since you guys are
the directors here.
Speaker 10 (39:17):
Man, you put me on the spot, I know, yeah,
on the spot.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, how Lomony you talk to two legends, Tommy?
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Have you in terms of like you're acting? Like? Do
you so?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
So?
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Do you do you continue to do?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Like?
Speaker 5 (39:38):
I guess I'm thinking about films outside of the porn
space or is it still in that industry or what
what's making right?
Speaker 9 (39:45):
I welcome and am currently working on developing projects that
are outside of the I have a I guess a
toe so to speak, in the business. I guess I
always will. I guess that's just inevitable twenty two years
no saying okay, I'm done with that.
Speaker 8 (40:02):
Yeah, you know you will never be done with filmmaking.
Speaker 7 (40:06):
Yeah, it's just now the filmmaking I, you know, hope
to be able to do in the future, and the
acting roles that I get, I'll just unless it's a
role in the in the film that there's a sex scene.
Speaker 9 (40:21):
But I doubt it, but if there is, I'm very
acclimated to those. So I definitely welcome the possibility and
the challenges of acting in mainstream projects, even short any project.
I'd love to just do it because I love the craft.
Speaker 10 (40:38):
Are you like behind the camera as well too, now though?
That you do directing right?
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Or are you just?
Speaker 9 (40:45):
I did years ago, but I kind of stayed away
from that. But I still have some directorial urges and
and some visions and stuff that I that I definitely
want to try to.
Speaker 8 (40:57):
Is really on the spot creative.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Let me tell you this.
Speaker 7 (41:01):
He did some really fun, like some things that I like.
Within a second, I was I'd never been scared of
my property before, and I was like, yeah, I'm not
going in there at night, you know, And it was
just a second, it was great, It's really good.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
No, I gotta so. He is his good friend, Marcus London.
It was who I liked, you know, him and Tommy
you were in separal they did behind the scenes on
a makeup like Gladiator and it ended up winning awards.
That's when I saw what Tommy and Marcus could do
at that point. Now, you know, Marcus doesn't live in
the US anymore, but Tommy is still here, so he
(41:37):
is available for these things. But he knows. I think
he's done a lot of things.
Speaker 7 (41:42):
Between set building and designing costumes and building the costumes
and the helmets and the shields and the swords.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
I was impressed to see what these guys did on.
Speaker 8 (41:57):
Really good at what he does. He came very human.
Speaker 9 (42:02):
One thing's for sure, Like I like again agreeing with Diana,
was I can do anything as far as building sets, wardrobe,
you know, even go run good coffee. I'm not too
good for any of them to go and help out
and whatever, sweep up, sweep up the place after it's done,
or be the first guy over there to open up
the doors and get everybody out of But I love
(42:23):
I love filmmaking. I love everything about it. I will
always have and always will and I will always remain
in that trajectory, on that path, and it'll it'll happen.
So uh, you know, that's why I and I get
I get a little anxious because you know, I'm one
of those guys I wanted to happen yesterday, and I
think a lot of us are in that, in that headspace.
(42:44):
But you know, in time things will take place and
you know, will happen. So I have a lot of
hope and faith in that.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Hey, So, Tomic, we got a couple of minutes, laught,
we got about five minutes. Hey, so you get a
chance to ask Miles and Chris. You haven't seen their
short film, but the film is and I haven't seen Silk,
but it's scary enough to Rob remind me of Megan
that I want to see that. What would you say
to ask them about their craft of how they do
(43:11):
everything together? Because I just keep your eye on these
two picking things coming on a pipeline, so I can
only imagine.
Speaker 9 (43:18):
One's Well, it sounds like you're I guess collective between
the two of you in terms of your creative and
things and projects you work. When is that correct?
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (43:27):
For sure?
Speaker 9 (43:27):
Okay, wonderful. Where are you based out of it close
to each other or there by me?
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Right right?
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Yeah, we're in the Chicago area.
Speaker 9 (43:37):
That's great. And then in terms of how you I
guess for lack of better words, were inspired and motivated
and courage to want to pursue filmmaking as a person.
And when did it all start.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
For you as a person? Uh?
Speaker 5 (43:52):
We started out as just fans of film, honestly, Like, yeah,
we didn't actually sort of start creating, like doing filmmaking
together until like after the pandemic.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
We were like.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
We both had our own careers. I mean, I've always
been a storyteller. I guess I used to be in
journalists and I sort of gravitated towards writing stories and
stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
But I mean, we just love movies.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
And we started a podcast where we talked about movies
with a friend of ours, and that sort of snowballed
into like maybe we should make something, you know, and
so you know, we had our cameras and we were
just filming stuff. I think the first thing we filmed
together was like among Us parody, where we were sort
of our kids and wise and we were sort of
(44:40):
just doing this thing and I acted in it, which
I don't usually like to do, but it was a
goofy thing we were doing. So but yeah, and then
we kind of was like kind of had the bug,
like let's just make some more stuff, and it's kind
of slowly grown into what it is now where right
now we're sort of working on developing a feature film,
which we're really excited about.
Speaker 9 (45:01):
Oh you must be, you must be. What a great
place to be in your life there? So hey, you
mentioned bug I agree. I didn't as a young age
and my first movie I ever saw was Rocky and
I thought I wouldn't be that guy or up there
on that screen. I guess a lot of that.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Well real quickly about three minutes, Dianea. Favorite movie that
comes off the top of your head that you liked
the movie film, Rachel, do you have one.
Speaker 6 (45:35):
I'm enjoying The South Park when it comes out, and
I'm enjoying Peacemaker and I'm enjoying.
Speaker 11 (45:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Two good series.
Speaker 8 (45:47):
Nobody, Talamasca Talent. Yeah, watching that one.
Speaker 7 (45:52):
I love any that they made an interview with the vampire. Yeah,
was so they, it was so her, it was so
well done.
Speaker 8 (46:01):
I loved it.
Speaker 11 (46:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
I keep seeing advertisements for that. I'm like, I need
to watch it.
Speaker 8 (46:05):
You need to watch it.
Speaker 7 (46:06):
It gigs. They did a really good job of overlapping,
like because they know that the story is different, so
they do a really good job of intertwining what happened
in the original movie and in the book and putting
them both together. I was like, I didn't want to
watch it at first. I was like, ah, this is
gonna be the same. It was better, better than I.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Can real question. Miles favorite films at the top of
your head follow this Alien one. So I went back
to watch it and it still holds up. Sucks, but
the first thing what you just can't go wrong with
that and James Cameron these days two of my favorite
(46:50):
filmmakers and great people. In the interview Chris go.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
Back to the future, it's like comfort food for me.
Speaker 8 (47:00):
That I was filmed in my hometown. It was filmed
in my hometown.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Hey, real quick, Rachel Roberts give you social media links.
Speaker 6 (47:08):
Go for it at Rachel Roberts.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Recipes, Diana.
Speaker 7 (47:14):
The Real Diana Laar, in Instagram and Twitter and whereverwhere else.
Speaker 8 (47:20):
Everywhere, it's all the same.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
People are gonna reach out to you.
Speaker 9 (47:25):
Instagram is t h E E. So it would be
the g O M M Y g U n N.
I had to do that because there's a lot of
Tommy guns out there that you and then uh on Twitter.
Thank you on Twitter. It's the t O M M
Y g U N n x x X.
Speaker 8 (47:44):
Yeah, your real name it is.
Speaker 9 (47:46):
My real name is Thomas Tommy and just the description
that a friend gave me. He says, man, look at
those guns. I started my field up my arms. Look
you should be Tommy Gunn And I said, wow, that's
a great name, and I kept it so I was
given that name.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yeah, Miles, social media like so reach out to people
can see your films and following you the next film festivals.
Speaker 10 (48:15):
Uh yeah, mine is just Miles k. August on Instagram.
And then if you want to follow our production page,
which is both of us, it's just swim Good Good
just s w y M Good.
Speaker 9 (48:28):
And you love your name. That's cool. Thanks, that's really clever.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Swim Good nice.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
And Chris Yeah, so my Instagram is words from Chris.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
And then, like Miles said, I mean, the best place
to find us is on the swim Good Instagram.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
In the bio you'll see links all or like individual
pages and stuff.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
So ye, hey, hey, so I want to thank everybody
for coming on tonight. You just never know what you're
gonna get. Who would have known that you guys are shot,
flipsed her house, that I happen to be at that
Tommy's coming back at the thing too. Who would have known? Everybody,
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Hey, if it's Tuesday, it's movie reviews and more, and
we're live. And this is one hundred and seventy seven
straight live shows in a row, Rachel, this is show
number fifty. We got two more before we start season
sticks and we just keep going. And the reason why
the streak is important because the reason it stopped was
I was in Houston, Texas. You remember that we've been
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going straight live. We've never missed a show, no matter
where I've been cross country. How many people can say that,
nobody that I know of in the world. And if
you are in the world, show me and let me know,
because I don't like to be the only one. But
I was at Rachel's house when we nobody showed up.
Remember that, Rachel, that was funny. That's like two and
(01:50):
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thing about this this show has been booked for almost
four months, so we're gonna have a friend Tommy Gunnar
and Diana suggested that this happened because it was about
life after porn. And you know, when Chris was on
the end of last you know week show for sixty seconds,
I'm like, I got to have you back because your
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short film is really good. And since I'm gonna be
in Illinois and they're in Chicago, I said, why not.
And I'm like just letting you know. It's an X
rated show, but it's still about films and we all
are film lovers because Rachel watches a lot more films
than most of the average people. Diana watches a lot.
So when I come to see her once a year,
you know, I usually will watch something from either Stars
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or AMC. And Chris, I don't know you yet, but
I'm glad to know you and your partner Miles. So
since you guys are here, first, I want you two
to introduce yourself so you can't say you got you
no more than sixty seconds this time there.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Right, all right?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
So you guys came directors, So this is interesting because
Rachel hasn't seen this short. Let's talk about your film first,
Miles introduced yourself because you weren't here last week.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Go ahead, Yeah, yeah, sorry, yeah, ho. I'm a co
director on Girl on the Street. Yeah. I don't know
what else.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I just like putting people on the spot and Rachel,
all right, Chris, tell them who you are, and I
want to go. I went to your film and a
little bit ahead.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah, Chris.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Basically, I'm the director of Girl on the Street, co
founder some good films we made. We have a couple
of shorts kind of on the festival circuit right now,
so kind of an exciting time for us. And they're
very different films, and I think the Girl on the
Street is one that has been getting a lot of attention.
It's been getting selected for a lot of festivals of
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wance some awards already.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
So we're an exciting little little season.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
All right, my good friend Rachel, tell them who you are,
where you're coming from?
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Okay, Oh, thank you. I'm Rachel Roberts and I have
a little morning internet show called Coffee Talk and it's
been going on for a few years or yeah, more
than that, and I've been with Brian for several years
as a co host here and I do. I don't
know a lot of TikTok stuff lately.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And you have a lot of products senter you. Congratulations,
you off for that.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Thanks And tomorrow I think, yeah, tomorrow morning, I think
I'm gonna be with Reuben with Fox News.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
They call me every now and then have me.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Come out there and I get to do coffee talk
on the news.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So that's fun.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
And that's a great thing because you know, there's a
lot of people are jealous that you're doing that. You
know that it's fine. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. Well,
it is funny, and you deserve that because you worked
your ass off to get that far. And that's important,
especially there, you know. And then Diana, you know, let's
let's see how well you can speak. So she is
(04:44):
an actor, she is a director, she's producer. She's one
of the smartest people you know that I know in
my universe. There isn't anything that she can't do that
she can't figure out. That's good.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
Take it away, Diana, take it away, Put you on
the spot, get you answered some questions right away.
Speaker 8 (05:01):
Right now.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
All I'm trying to do is survive. I keep going
from one sickness to another to another. But you know,
I rallied today because I was not gonna let Brian
down and I wanted to support my friend Tommy, who
isn't here right now, but he'll be catching up with
us a little later. The work that he did in
the documentary that he brought forward, I was so moved
(05:25):
by because it's all the things we never got to say,
all the things when there were big companies where we
weren't allowed to show the human side because it was
all so much fantasy. So I wanted to actually just
be here more in support of that. And you know,
I always love being around my friend Brian, especially when
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he's here and I can hear him down stairs.
Speaker 9 (05:48):
Helloy, he is right there.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
And so Miles and Chris holm on because he's actually
on a set so he may have sometimes. So this
is gonna be a weird good show. And I forgot
to say this. So we're broadcasting live and talk for
me hey for HD radio, talk for TV and streaming
on over one hundred dollars for the world right now
and that's the good thing, and also streaming on Women
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on TV dot TV. I two four seven out of Franklin, Tennessee,
where where we have over forty million views in counting.
So that's the god. And I kicked the rest of
the host off because I want to make sure we
had time with Tommy and I want them Miles, you
don't know what's going on here, but you know, usually
we have like nine people on our shows continuously, and
Rachel will tell you. You know, if someone's not around,
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they're fighting to stay on the spot because they nods
and we all have fun and well we're very very
close with each So Tommy's going off of his phone
because his computer is old, but he didn't know he's
going to be on the set. That's a challenge and everything.
So Miles and Chris, you guys know what this stuff
is like when it comes to technology.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Right, definitely, Yeah, we've been there.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah all right.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
So Tommy, now that we have I don't know how
many before you have to go back, tell everybody who
you are, where you're coming from.
Speaker 9 (07:05):
Tom I am Tommy Gunn and I'm currently on set
actually here in East LA in Los Angeles, uh A,
on a movie shit called Scissors two, where I get
to play a strip club manager so I thought I
would flick my hair back and get this slip to
you know, the script club manager vibe going.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So yeah, let me ask you this. What did they
say time wise that you had.
Speaker 9 (07:33):
Well, they cut me loose and said, okay, you're good
to go about your business and then we're going to
shoot some other stuff. So I have until they come
get me, which is probably forty five minutes plenty of time.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Okay, all right, So everybody is a filmmaker and a
producer and a director in a different way. So Tommy,
now that you can introduce yourself, let's see what clip
this is. I don't know what a rebel put up?
What let's show surprise, Let's just go for it.
Speaker 9 (07:57):
Yeah, I'm gonna put on special glances on it's going.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And don't do anything to your phone. Okay. The street,
so Myles said, Christmas is good.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Mm hmm. There's a girl out there.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
She's in the street.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
She's screaming.
Speaker 10 (08:23):
She seems distressed, and she's in some kind of trouble.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Should I should I do something?
Speaker 9 (08:32):
Why haven't you checked on her?
Speaker 8 (08:33):
Sir?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
She's got something on her head, it's like like a face.
(08:59):
And so I was in Chris. Now that this film
has arrived and you guys are award winners, Now, how
does that make you guys feel? Because this is not
easy doing these things and submitting the film festivals.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, it's been it's been a fun journey. We've had
like a couple so far.
Speaker 10 (09:12):
We just came back from Vancouver, Brooklyn.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Christians came back from Maryland. I think it was. We
got another stressful coming up in Canada.
Speaker 10 (09:22):
So it's been interesting seeing and just sort of the
reception from people who we don't know because we did
like and you know, we had a lot of people
that were just friends and the family the film for
and it's always a different sort of experience with people
who have no reason to like the film at all.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And so the response from that has been great.
Speaker 10 (09:46):
Like, we've met a ton of people, a bunch of
different connections that we've made just going to the different festivals,
the people that might be able to help on potential
films in the future.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So it's been interesting so far. And there's more.
Speaker 10 (10:00):
There's more than were It's coming in every day, so
there's there's more.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Festivals will be at uh I'm pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
But Miles, good for the audience because we have the
audio version of this too. Tell everybody what just a
little bit of what your background is.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (10:14):
Yeah, So I initially, like I started out in music production,
Like so I produced music for a long time, and
then I ended up going to school, uh and getting
a degree and not film I did.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I got a design and I sort of use kind
of all of.
Speaker 10 (10:33):
That in some sense, uh to help us make hitch
techs or like even just a resource.
Speaker 9 (10:40):
For I'm actually going to move here to see if
a better reception.
Speaker 10 (10:43):
Sorry, oh yeah, but just like using like different things
that I've had to do over the years, it kind
of helped us put like films together. So my background
really is like music and just sort of design, and
we kind of use that to my advantage as a filmmaker.
I think my dying sort of, I is my contribution
to a lot of the stuff that we end up
(11:05):
filming is coming from that perspective as a diner.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
So a lot of a lot of different forms of art.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
That I've kind of dabbled in and that got me
to this point.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
It's Christian next, but Tommy, hey, don't move, stay where
you are.
Speaker 8 (11:19):
And it's a good bad experience.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Wi Fi. You know, un here you find don't move. Hey, Chris,
talking about your experience of this, because I know what
it's like to pick films in the Hollywood Film Festival,
and I always tell filmmakers it's not easy to get
films in. There's a lot of films that go in,
and just because you're not chosen doesn't mean your film
it's not good and your film is good. And so
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what happens with a lot of these things is they
may be two or three films that fit that criteria,
but it doesn't mean it's not in. But when you
also get into the other film festivals, that's a great
thing because a lot of films are just not chosen,
and it's not because they're not bad or not good.
It's just they have what they need to have out
and that's never explained to you guys.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Yeah, no, true, Yeah no, that was kind of our experience.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
I mean, a couple of years ago, we made our
first short called Alice, and it was like a science
fiction film and we felt like we were making was
pretty good, but we really had a hard time getting
into festivals, and a lot of it had to do
with like the length of the film The film was
like they say, like as short as anything under forty minutes,
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but really, if you're making a short, you wanted to
be like ten fifteen minutes something like that. We put
we put together a thirty five minute short, and once
we started going to festivals, we learned like, well, if
your film is that long, it has to probably be
better than like two to three other films if you're
trying to program a shorts block. And so there's all
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these kind of little things you learned just once you're
on the festival scene.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
And so when we made The Girl on the Street and.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Our other films Silk, we kind of had in mind like, Okay,
it needs to be you know, under this link. It
needs to be simple, like like what it's trying to
communicate needs to be more simple, Like we can't try
to communicate seventeen different themes in one, you know, in
a short. We got to really sort of lean into, okay,
what is the concept for this. For the Girl in
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the Street, it's like, yeah, girl shows up in the street,
Like what happens next? And we kind of have fun
just figuring out, Okay, what happens when you go out
there just creating mystery around that, and I think that's
when people have kind of responded to just the mystery
of what it's out there, what does she look like,
what is she going to do?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
What's going to happen to him? Like? So it was
kind of fun to just, you know, just keep it simple.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
See that's good to know because it's one of those
things where I liked it for those reasons. And congratulations
to you guys and added away, It's been a while
since anybody has put Chicago on the map when it
comes to films, you know, if you think of the
you know, the Breakfast Club and all those things like that,
John Hughes, it really hasn't been anybody since then. So
(14:01):
I'm looking at YouTube to kind of be like that.
So Tommy, you know, it's the last version, right.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
No pressure, pressure.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I have.
Speaker 7 (14:15):
I have forty acres and a bunch of different buildings
and a nineteen hundred's house. You guys ever want to shoot,
You're more than welcome to come out here and use
my property.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Oh wow, that sounds great, Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
I'm I am about an hour and forty minutes from Chicago.
Speaker 8 (14:38):
Oh nice Dixon areas.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Oh shoot, that's where we you know, we shot the
ground street in Oregon, Illinois.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
Oh you did.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
Yeah, we were just talking about because I want to
take then that's like ten minutes from me.
Speaker 8 (14:53):
I wanted to take who.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
Oh okay, I because there's only one hotel, well two hotels, right,
you know.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
It was like an airbnb, like this huge airbnb by
like yeah, yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Yeah, I mean obviously we like shooting out there.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
So yeah, and I'm surrounded by cornfield, so I mean
it's real creepy.
Speaker 8 (15:19):
If you want to do to nice.
Speaker 9 (15:23):
And Tommy, yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Do not tell me taking us on an adventure.
Speaker 9 (15:32):
Yeah, I'm walking around.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I want you to stay right there. And I'll tell
you why. Every time when we have someone on a
film and we can got you, we can hear you,
but we're gonna hear your background noise, and that's what
we don't want. So the other thing is we don't
want to keep losing you too, So getting ready to
show you right here? All right, good, all right, we're
gonna show your trailer. We're gonna come back to talk
to that and then so you can't make a show
(15:56):
like this up right, rebel? What I mean Rachel, what's
the chance of that I'm shooting? I am? You know
what I mean? All right, Tommy, we're gonna show you
your clip. Now, let's take a look at a sounds great.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
We're actually okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
There's something wrong with.
Speaker 11 (16:26):
What are you waiting for? You'll be made perfect just
like me.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Now I haven't seen that yet, but that's trippy because
that that blond woman makes me think I'm making I'm
already I'm already paranoid of seeing this. But that's a
great trailer. Is that a short film?
Speaker 8 (16:59):
Also?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
My else? Of course?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (17:02):
So we for some reason decided to write two films
at the same time last year, and we kind of
shot them not simultaneously, but we were there in post.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
At the same time.
Speaker 10 (17:13):
And this was the first one that we shot after Silkem,
coming back after we went to south By Southwest, and yeah,
this one is strange.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
We tend to lean into a lot.
Speaker 10 (17:25):
Of sci fi or thriller ish stuff, so this was
kind of our first attempt after doing like our previous
film a couple of years ago, where we had some
confidence as far as like knowing what it was we
wanted to create and how we wanted it to look
visually where we had, like, you know, a little bit
more of our director voices.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
We're kind of a little bit more confident. So that
was like the first.
Speaker 10 (17:48):
Thing that we shot, like going into what was that
twenty twenty four, I guess now, And then we shot
them back to back and they're kind of both making
their festival runs right now.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, you went to South By South What that's a
great thing. Uh, you know, because that's one of the
best festivals in the world. So that's good. So Diana
and Rachel, you haven't seen this ship. So both of
those trailer clips, what did you think of those? Because
Rachel like that. Yeah, that looks.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
Really good, like they want they draw you in there.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Yeah, it was sexy in the beginning. I thought it
was gonna be something Tommy was doing. No, that's coming
next time on that.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
But yeah, we do. But here's the thing on that. Yeah,
for you guys, not only do you have three actresses
not me, you will never see me in a film.
I don't care if I'm playing myself. I am not interested.
But Diana, Rachel, Tommy and you got a new location.
I know you guys didn't plan on that happening, did
you and who would have called it? You know, happening
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in Dixon? Come on, So, I mean, I know people
that don't even know where that is. They think I'm
lost and kidnapped. I just show up for Tuesday Night children.
Really nobody knows where I am. So that's the good thing.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
You're gone, Tommy. We started talking about them shooting. I
offered my house and then come to find out one
of the things they shot was right. They even stayed
right down the street.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
Well, how about that. Your place certainly has the potential.
It's got that. It can be very eerie if you
do a little edit in ads for music.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
Yeah, there's a lot of space things.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
All right.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Now we're going to show your trailer. Child going to
come back? All right?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
All right?
Speaker 12 (19:40):
Making a documentary about ado entertainment. For decades, it's being
called taboo, dirty and even destructive. But is the porn
industry really as bad and evil as so many people
still believe. To help me navigate this journey, is one
of the industry's most recognizable faces, Tommy Gunn.
Speaker 9 (19:58):
My childhood was wonderful. Did I ever think I'm going
to do that job?
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Never are expo in Las Vegas.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
That's the porno super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Pretty much.
Speaker 9 (20:10):
The sex trade has been stignified for all of the ages.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
This whole documentary is about us as people.
Speaker 12 (20:17):
This is our profession and we take pride in it.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
It's wild people's perception.
Speaker 9 (20:22):
Somebody might say, oh, how tough can it be? You know,
you get to have sex with all these beautiful women
and they pay for it.
Speaker 11 (20:27):
Woo hoo.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Who Right. The emphasis was not on the sex in
those movies.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
It was more on the story.
Speaker 9 (20:33):
We never stopped where mainstream stops.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
What people think about porn stars is nothing like what
they're actually like because.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
It's just one big orgy, and I'm like, wouldn't that
all be nice?
Speaker 6 (20:46):
It's not adult education, it's adult entertainment.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
You don't learn how to drive a car by watching
the fastting period.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
The public is a lot more accepting of porn now.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Game of Thrones there was full frontal nudity in that thing.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
No different than well maybe a little different.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, all right, you guys. So this is streaming on
Amazon now and it's actually a really good documentary. So
I've known Tommy and Diana for years, So this is
the side that people, you know, I remember going back,
I would be that only mainstream journalist and person that
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would say, hey, come with me, what do you guys
want to do after this career? And I would bring
them to a lot of my junkets that we would do.
You know, if someone say, hey, I want to meet
sorts of thing, I would say, oh, okay, well I'm
gonna interview onno for you know whatever. You know, terminator
coming up next. You can come sit next to me.
They always tell them, always sits here. I've sit right here.
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If it's not a lot of people in room, I'll
even let you ask one question. But I did those
things because it's about inspiring people to go on to
the next stage of the life. Now that they've gone
to the next stage of the life, Diana has a
great piece of property where I'm that she has the
next stage of her life. Tommy's gone on to the
next thing. It's just like with his truck that he has.
And he's also got a book that he has out
(22:05):
down too. All right, Tommy, now that he's got you
take it away. Tell him who you are, how many
scenes that you're done, what films that you've been in,
and that.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
You write them off, we'll be here all now.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
Well, as you know, I started the adult industry two
thousand and four to make it real quick. I was
really fortunate and did well for myself. I basically just
showed up and did what they said. They stand here,
read this dialogue, do this thing, have you know, work
with your coach, door and over and over again. I
did that and was blessed to be able to have
a great career in that. So now in the latter
(22:42):
part of my career, I threw people telling me, hey,
you should write a book. He probably have some really
amazing stories. I decided to do that. In the last
two years, I worked with a gentleman, Jim Steele, and
he basically helped me make that book reality. And then
as far as the documentary, I always thought that the
adult industry had a dark cloak or a dark curtain
(23:03):
veil over it, and I really wanted to change that
try and make an attempt to show society and people
and whatnot that there are really great people and talented
and very educated part and all those things. So I've
always had a love for filmmaking and acting and all
those things entertainment. I felt like I've always been an
(23:23):
entertainer at heart, so now at this point pretty likely
see if I could do that. And then I've managed
to do some crossover stuff from adults to mainstream, which
was the television show Entourage. Everybody knows that for the
most part. And then I was blessed to have a
role in a movie called Wolves directed by David Hayter
(23:44):
and Jason Momoa and Lucas Tilb were in that. Then
additionally I did a movie for a company, gangster Land,
with Milo Gibson Mel Gibson's son. I play Mayor Devor
and that was opposite of Michael Perey and Jason Patrick
and stuff. So I managed to do some mainstream stuff
when they, I guess, for lack of better words, you know,
(24:06):
were welcoming enough to have me in their in their project,
and they weren't scared of the some of the collateral issues,
like oh, how can you have a guy who did
those movies being yours that do this? And I always thought, well,
I can't deny that twenty two years of making movies
and twenty two years of being in front of the camera,
and then an international fan base wouldn't come to follow
(24:27):
me over to my to see what I was doing
in the mainstream world. So I have a built in
fan base over the here is. Whether they want to
recognize that or not, I think there's no denying that.
And I think Diana can layton with all the things
I said, so I let her take over.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Well.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
I honestly when I saw he said, oh, I did
this documentary.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
It's on Amazon, and I was.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Actually I was I couldn't believe that he had actually
gotten something that had it was adult related on Amazon.
And so then when I watched it, when you are
somebody who is extremely intelligent and you go to convey
to somebody what this world is really like, we are
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not just sex addicts. You know, it's nothing like that
at all. In any ways.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
We are more athletes if you knew what went into each.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
And every scene and all of the things that you
have to do and how you may not feel like
doing that that day.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
There is so many.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
People that just think because they have their relationship with
what adult is, they really think that they know what
is in us. They have no idea that you know,
their grandmother may have died that day, or you know,
whatever the case may be, it is it's a human
intimate thing that you're doing, you just happen to be
(25:54):
showing it to the rest of the world.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
And it is it is our bravery.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
That has tested most every venue of new entertainment, whether
it be multi screen, whether it be AI, whether it
be going from Beta camp, from film to betacam, to
from DVDs to Blu rays to all.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
Of those things.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
It has always been our industry that has.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Led the way. And Chris, what she's a leading to
is the Two Electronics Show CS show every January. I
don't know how old you two guys are, but back
in the day when we were all having fun.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
With Rachel's.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Because Rachel's my friend, we talk about this stuff all
the time. Is that the CS show was combined with
the AVN Show adult video news show at that point
the first week of January, and so there was a
lot of crossovers. So I was always that mainstream journalist
that was credential for both sides, and I would be
on the CES shot one way was going on on
the adult side, to be on the adult side one
(26:57):
of what's going on with the CS shot. So when
it came to the technologies, whether it was you know, vibrators,
or DHS machine made of machines, CD remember CD ROMs.
All this stuff started on the adult side. First they
led the way to everything, and then the main stream
well caught up slowly but surely in past and then
(27:19):
ABN thought they were big enough and they split off,
and you know, they decided to go up against Sunday
and so they have their own thing at that point now,
But it was never the same. But all those people.
There was literally one hundred and thirty five thousand people
at CES Saturday and Sunday, and Tommy and Diana, every
single one of those main chief people were coming over
and end they were stretching their necks, long line and
(27:42):
everything they go. They were making promises on I'll put
you in our film. They were like they were there
and if it weren't for them, a lot of them
wouldn't have a big huge fan base. Tommy's got like
seventy four thousand followers on his Instagram. I don't even
know if what he has on his Facebook, but that's
from just regular people, and they all watch films. I
was there to see these things and I'm just relaying
(28:05):
the metss and I always remind people, what do you
think the stuff came from. And you know, you guys
remember VSDA in the summers in Vegas Video Software Dealers Association.
Where do you think the wrestlers came from? And all
those rock and rollers? Do you think Gene Simmons wasn't
having fun with a lot of people. Of course they
all were.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
No, He's always at all of our conventions.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I'm just letting you guys know, say, you know, Chris
is raising his eyebrows. He's like, maybe we have another
film in us on this part. That's how a lot
of people were tasked. And think about this Boogie Knights.
Paul Thomas Anderson, look where he is now? That was
his first film. Where do you think he came to?
He came to my event that Bill Margo let me
(28:47):
run back in nineteen ninety four. So Nina Hardley was
in it. You know there there was a lot of
people in it. Heather Graham boy just ran into last
week at AF five. She was roller girl. You know
what do you think Rachel was at one point? But
it was one of these things. Everybody started someplace. You
(29:08):
can't never judge where people come from because directing is
not easy. Diana knows what that's like you guys know
what that's Like's not. I wouldn't do that stuff. You
couldn't pay me to do what you guys did. And
that's why I respect the audi that. Yeah, yeah, they
(29:29):
told me who was that I was trying to stink in?
Speaker 9 (29:31):
No, that was Harry the director.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
No, no, no, you had a girl who was peeping
her head and before who is that?
Speaker 9 (29:38):
Oh you know, I.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Care, Okay, I.
Speaker 8 (29:45):
Meant, I meant a loss for names. That's a good
position to.
Speaker 9 (29:50):
Be just to just to try to throw us in there.
That was no, by no accident. At the ce S
and the A b N were at the same time.
They want to stupid.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker 9 (30:02):
A lot of times, like you said that, our industry
has been approving grounds for these technological you know, advances
and whatnot. They realized, hey, if it works there, let's
incorporate that and do it in our mainstream world and such.
No one could deny that the content is being viewed
and is being received by old plant at the end
(30:23):
of the day.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
So they're either watching it or they're lying about watching
it or wanting it.
Speaker 9 (30:29):
People in the world you're either having sex or wanting it.
I don't know any.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Mile. The first AI doll that I saw in twenty
nineteen was at the AVN convention. Now it's called aed
AE Adult Entertainment x FLO. It was in the corner.
Nobody was paying attention to it, and it looked like Megan.
It was a full body thing. I like, someone's going
to use these things, so as you're that blonde looks
(30:57):
in there. That's what they looked like. It was real
this twenty nineteen, I still had the photos of it,
and I'm like, no one was paying attention. Was in
the corner. Look where those things are. Now, look what
happened to Megan. No difference, No difference.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Rachel got a question at all? Not why do you
do that? Like throw it out violent?
Speaker 6 (31:18):
I am just the whole time. Okay Tommy, So okay,
you are you able to have like normal relationships like
have when you meet somebody like a girl and.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
You try to you know, and you're like, wow, I'm
a porn star.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
I mean, do you have a wife, do you have children?
Speaker 9 (31:37):
Do you have you know, I have no wife. I
had two at one point I tried.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
To at the same time.
Speaker 9 (31:44):
One before the business I was married for about four
years before the business. Then I was married in the
business five years. And uh, before the business you.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Were married, whether you were married to a woman while
you were, you know, a porn star.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
And wife was like, yeah.
Speaker 9 (32:01):
No, she wasn't. She was not in the business. My
first wife, she and I we were not in the
business at all at that point. She did modeling, she
was on Playboy cover. I did mail dancing like Chippendale
style type thing, and was pursuing designing clothes and making
clothes and whatnot. And then once that ended, I.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
And Tommy was as lotchy you just needed yourself by accident.
Pick up, pick up on what you just said.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
Oh so, anyway, I was in the I was in
the adult industry in a capacity where it was just
as a dancer, mail review chippendales, And then I got
into the adult industry where I finally took the last
piece of clothing off and decided to engage in a
sexual act on cameras. That's really basically the thing. So
then I was married in the business. And as one
(32:49):
could imagine, there's some difficulties in the in the business
as far as the potential for jealousy whatnot. And such.
I experienced that it wasn't all my stend. It was
my wife's, which was unfortunate because I tried to support
her in any ways as far as her doing her
job and whatnot. But uh so there was that, and
(33:12):
now I might My last relationship was probably thirteen years ago.
I was in an additional relationship a girl with a
girl that was in the business. Romantically. We weren't married
or anything of that nature, but we tried it. And again, tragically,
there was some age differences. But it seems like Matthew
mcconiughsy like Matthew McConaughey, Conaughey says, I just keep getting
(33:35):
older and they all stay the same age. So and then,
as far as trying to work navigate a relationship in
the mainstream world, I guess, like a better word civilian
world that to people that don't do our industry as civilians,
there would be some communication and trust issues. There's very
(33:57):
It's almost impossible. Unfortunately it's not.
Speaker 6 (34:01):
Yeah, it seems like it would be. It seems like
that would be really tough.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
There are either expected or there are disappointments. There are
social standards of what people expect in a relationship.
Speaker 8 (34:16):
And even if you think.
Speaker 7 (34:18):
You're okay with it, there is always going to be
that one person that you have to be able to
put your boundaries and say that person might bother me
if you were with them, But to be able to
have that relationship and actually talk about those things isn't
something that happens very often. And that also creates the
infamous third person. You always have the adult industry to
(34:40):
blame when there is an actual communication or problem with
the relationship. It's always the infamous while you're going out
to do this.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
And so here's why I'm going to step in because
in interviewing all those celebrities, they have the exact same problem.
So you can't blame that industry when they're having the
same problems because I know I was there with Nick
Cage and I don't know again, don't Miles and Chris,
I don't know how the old you guys are are,
Charlie Sheen and all those guys. They were all having fun.
(35:14):
We were all friends and I was there, well, yeah,
we were all if you you know you know his
his his publicists at that point, Stan Rosenfelt, which is
George Clooney's publicist, Danny DeVito and Helen Marron, Morgan Freeman,
Gene Simmons. But he used to have Will Smith and
then he couldn't take Charlie Sheen anymore. And he actually
(35:36):
got rid of Charlie Sheen. And if you look in
the background, if you watch it Charlie's doc, it's very good.
It's on Netflix, you will see guys. Small guy with glasses,
that's Stan Rosenfelt. He's one of the most powerful, you know,
publicists in the world. And I'm just happy that till
this day, going back to nineteen ninety six, he's let
me interview all of his clients. That's just him. So
(35:57):
he's had to deal with all of these things. So
there is no diference is when it comes to those
worlds like that. And I was always that guy to say, hey,
these are my friends, they can act. They into the
adult business. Sometimes they were told that they were into
the mainstream world, weren't they, Diane. At the time, people
actually told them that, which was twelve nonsense.
Speaker 9 (36:17):
Think of this when I got into the acting, when
I got into the adult world, I looked at it like,
if I'm an actor, this is the role I'm going
to play? A male porn star for the next two years.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Do you age out of it? Do people like yeah?
Speaker 6 (36:34):
And then is there like a certain age where you like,
they're like, all right, you're too old for this now?
And then is that why? You know what happens when
you get to be a certain age.
Speaker 7 (36:42):
Well, the stamina that it takes to do it is
one thing, all right, right, But I'm fortunate that if
I really wanted to be back because of all of
the milk and yeah, right right, all that, I'd be fine. Yeah, yeah,
you start to you know, the industry has changed, so
(37:03):
they're not really looking for actors anymore. They're looking for
somebody who can do the short game. And that's not
what really either. He can do it all day long,
but that's not what I'm you know, I don't want
to be doing that.
Speaker 8 (37:15):
Neither does He likes the long game too. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (37:18):
I love the creative, the acting, the development movies. That's
why I got That's why I still, deep down inside
possess a filmmaking acting, creative urgent and want to continue
on that trajectory. It's just a pivot now at this point,
you know, nobody can deny twenty two years in front
of the camera. You can't say that.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Yeah, I don't have talent, right, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (37:44):
You have the ability to handle myself. Yeah, I'm thinking
about that as an actor. You know, if you were
an actor and somebody say, okay, this role, provide this role,
uh requires you to do this thing and that's have
sexual camera. That can you as an actor do that?
I did it?
Speaker 8 (38:03):
And there are a lot of movies that we don't know.
Speaker 7 (38:07):
I was just looking at a list. I was telling you, Tommy,
not too long ago. There's a list of all these
movies where they really wanted it to be real.
Speaker 8 (38:15):
They're not showing it to us.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Actually happened.
Speaker 7 (38:18):
It happened, right, It was happening on set because they
wanted it to be real.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
They're just not telling you that, and so it doesn't
get deemed dex rated.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Wow. Oh yeah, so again, Hey Tommy, So if you
guys think of Nine and a half Weeks, all those
movies and then in the eies in the nineties when
people were showing it to the video stores are renting.
That's why those movies did so well, because people could
go and rent them and take them home, and those
it just takes made a lot of money a lot
(38:51):
of people, and a lot of those people say, hey,
can we get this girl to come and do a
nude scene or the duer standing? And they did, and
so they got work and they didn't always use their names,
but you know they were willing to do it. And
I just want to that, right, you know.
Speaker 9 (39:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
And first we got a question for Tommy, because Tommy's
going to ask you guys once since you guys are
the directors here.
Speaker 10 (39:17):
Man, you put me on the spot, I know, yeah,
on the spot.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, how Lomony you talk to two legends, Tommy?
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Have you in terms of like you're acting? Like? Do
you so?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
So?
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Do you do you continue to do?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Like?
Speaker 5 (39:38):
I guess I'm thinking about films outside of the porn
space or is it still in that industry or what
what's making right?
Speaker 9 (39:45):
I welcome and am currently working on developing projects that
are outside of the I have a I guess a
toe so to speak, in the business. I guess I
always will. I guess that's just inevitable twenty two years
no saying okay, I'm done with that.
Speaker 8 (40:02):
Yeah, you know you will never be done with filmmaking.
Speaker 7 (40:06):
Yeah, it's just now the filmmaking I, you know, hope
to be able to do in the future, and the
acting roles that I get, I'll just unless it's a
role in the in the film that there's a sex scene.
Speaker 9 (40:21):
But I doubt it, but if there is, I'm very
acclimated to those. So I definitely welcome the possibility and
the challenges of acting in mainstream projects, even short any project.
I'd love to just do it because I love the craft.
Speaker 10 (40:38):
Are you like behind the camera as well too, now though?
That you do directing right?
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Or are you just?
Speaker 9 (40:45):
I did years ago, but I kind of stayed away
from that. But I still have some directorial urges and
and some visions and stuff that I that I definitely
want to try to.
Speaker 8 (40:57):
Is really on the spot creative.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Let me tell you this.
Speaker 7 (41:01):
He did some really fun, like some things that I like.
Within a second, I was I'd never been scared of
my property before, and I was like, yeah, I'm not
going in there at night, you know, And it was
just a second, it was great, It's really good.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
No, I gotta so. He is his good friend, Marcus London.
It was who I liked, you know, him and Tommy
you were in separal they did behind the scenes on
a makeup like Gladiator and it ended up winning awards.
That's when I saw what Tommy and Marcus could do
at that point. Now, you know, Marcus doesn't live in
the US anymore, but Tommy is still here, so he
(41:37):
is available for these things. But he knows. I think
he's done a lot of things.
Speaker 7 (41:42):
Between set building and designing costumes and building the costumes
and the helmets and the shields and the swords.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
I was impressed to see what these guys did on.
Speaker 8 (41:57):
Really good at what he does. He came very human.
Speaker 9 (42:02):
One thing's for sure, Like I like again agreeing with Diana,
was I can do anything as far as building sets, wardrobe,
you know, even go run good coffee. I'm not too
good for any of them to go and help out
and whatever, sweep up, sweep up the place after it's done,
or be the first guy over there to open up
the doors and get everybody out of But I love
(42:23):
I love filmmaking. I love everything about it. I will
always have and always will and I will always remain
in that trajectory, on that path, and it'll it'll happen.
So uh, you know, that's why I and I get
I get a little anxious because you know, I'm one
of those guys I wanted to happen yesterday, and I
think a lot of us are in that, in that headspace.
(42:44):
But you know, in time things will take place and
you know, will happen. So I have a lot of
hope and faith in that.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Hey, So, Tomic, we got a couple of minutes, laught,
we got about five minutes. Hey, so you get a
chance to ask Miles and Chris. You haven't seen their
short film, but the film is and I haven't seen Silk,
but it's scary enough to Rob remind me of Megan
that I want to see that. What would you say
to ask them about their craft of how they do
(43:11):
everything together? Because I just keep your eye on these
two picking things coming on a pipeline, so I can
only imagine.
Speaker 9 (43:18):
One's Well, it sounds like you're I guess collective between
the two of you in terms of your creative and
things and projects you work. When is that correct?
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (43:27):
For sure?
Speaker 9 (43:27):
Okay, wonderful. Where are you based out of it close
to each other or there by me?
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Right right?
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Yeah, we're in the Chicago area.
Speaker 9 (43:37):
That's great. And then in terms of how you I
guess for lack of better words, were inspired and motivated
and courage to want to pursue filmmaking as a person.
And when did it all start.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
For you as a person? Uh?
Speaker 5 (43:52):
We started out as just fans of film, honestly, Like, yeah,
we didn't actually sort of start creating, like doing filmmaking
together until like after the pandemic.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
We were like.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
We both had our own careers. I mean, I've always
been a storyteller. I guess I used to be in
journalists and I sort of gravitated towards writing stories and
stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
But I mean, we just love movies.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
And we started a podcast where we talked about movies
with a friend of ours, and that sort of snowballed
into like maybe we should make something, you know, and
so you know, we had our cameras and we were
just filming stuff. I think the first thing we filmed
together was like among Us parody, where we were sort
of our kids and wise and we were sort of
(44:40):
just doing this thing and I acted in it, which
I don't usually like to do, but it was a
goofy thing we were doing. So but yeah, and then
we kind of was like kind of had the bug,
like let's just make some more stuff, and it's kind
of slowly grown into what it is now where right
now we're sort of working on developing a feature film,
which we're really excited about.
Speaker 9 (45:01):
Oh you must be, you must be. What a great
place to be in your life there? So hey, you
mentioned bug I agree. I didn't as a young age
and my first movie I ever saw was Rocky and
I thought I wouldn't be that guy or up there
on that screen. I guess a lot of that.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Well real quickly about three minutes, Dianea. Favorite movie that
comes off the top of your head that you liked
the movie film, Rachel, do you have one.
Speaker 6 (45:35):
I'm enjoying The South Park when it comes out, and
I'm enjoying Peacemaker and I'm enjoying.
Speaker 11 (45:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Two good series.
Speaker 8 (45:47):
Nobody, Talamasca Talent. Yeah, watching that one.
Speaker 7 (45:52):
I love any that they made an interview with the vampire. Yeah,
was so they, it was so her, it was so
well done.
Speaker 8 (46:01):
I loved it.
Speaker 11 (46:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
I keep seeing advertisements for that. I'm like, I need
to watch it.
Speaker 8 (46:05):
You need to watch it.
Speaker 7 (46:06):
It gigs. They did a really good job of overlapping,
like because they know that the story is different, so
they do a really good job of intertwining what happened
in the original movie and in the book and putting
them both together. I was like, I didn't want to
watch it at first. I was like, ah, this is
gonna be the same. It was better, better than I.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Can real question. Miles favorite films at the top of
your head follow this Alien one. So I went back
to watch it and it still holds up. Sucks, but
the first thing what you just can't go wrong with
that and James Cameron these days two of my favorite
(46:50):
filmmakers and great people. In the interview Chris go.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
Back to the future, it's like comfort food for me.
Speaker 8 (47:00):
That I was filmed in my hometown. It was filmed
in my hometown.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Hey, real quick, Rachel Roberts give you social media links.
Speaker 6 (47:08):
Go for it at Rachel Roberts.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Recipes, Diana.
Speaker 7 (47:14):
The Real Diana Laar, in Instagram and Twitter and whereverwhere else.
Speaker 8 (47:20):
Everywhere, it's all the same.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
People are gonna reach out to you.
Speaker 9 (47:25):
Instagram is t h E E. So it would be
the g O M M Y g U n N.
I had to do that because there's a lot of
Tommy guns out there that you and then uh on Twitter.
Thank you on Twitter. It's the t O M M
Y g U N n x x X.
Speaker 8 (47:44):
Yeah, your real name it is.
Speaker 9 (47:46):
My real name is Thomas Tommy and just the description
that a friend gave me. He says, man, look at
those guns. I started my field up my arms. Look
you should be Tommy Gunn And I said, wow, that's
a great name, and I kept it so I was
given that name.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yeah, Miles, social media like so reach out to people
can see your films and following you the next film festivals.
Speaker 10 (48:15):
Uh yeah, mine is just Miles k. August on Instagram.
And then if you want to follow our production page,
which is both of us, it's just swim Good Good
just s w y M Good.
Speaker 9 (48:28):
And you love your name. That's cool. Thanks, that's really clever.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Swim Good nice.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
And Chris Yeah, so my Instagram is words from Chris.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
And then, like Miles said, I mean, the best place
to find us is on the swim Good Instagram.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
In the bio you'll see links all or like individual
pages and stuff.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
So ye, hey, hey, so I want to thank everybody
for coming on tonight. You just never know what you're
gonna get. Who would have known that you guys are shot,
flipsed her house, that I happen to be at that
Tommy's coming back at the thing too. Who would have known? Everybody,
have a good night, tonight, a better day to mile
(49:07):
see someone went out a smile. Please give them one
of yours, for the world needs it. I'm Brian Sabashingist
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