Rumours about America's role in the dismissal of Gough Whitlam have circulated for decades – but is there any truth to them?
On this special episode of After America, we explore the state of the Australia-United States relationship under the Whitlam government, the machinations at the time around the renewal of Pine Gap, and the previously untold account of Dr Liz Cham, former executive assistant in the office of Prime Minister Whitlam, who recalls handing over a mystery letter to an American official just before the Dismissal.
The interview with Liz Cham was recorded on Thursday 30 October.
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Guest: Elizabeth Cham, fellow at the University of Technology Sydney and former executive assistant in the office of Prime Minister Gough Whitlam
Host: Emma Shortis, Director, International & Security Affairs, the Australia Institute // @emmashortis
Scripting and production support: Stephen Long
Sound design and mixing: Simon Branthwaite
Show notes:
Did the CIA overthrow the Whitlam government? by Charlie Lewis, Crikey (November 2025)
What Washington really thought of Whitlam before the dismissal by James Curran, Australia Financial Review (November 2025)
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