November 9, 2024 • 53 mins
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The O.C was an iconic TV show with three wealthy main characters: Marissa, Summer, Seth and troubled youth Ryan. Seth/Adam Brody was apparently just as focused on set as a sloth in a hammock (sorry if we've offended any sloths).
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mumma
mea acknowledges the traditional owners of the land and waters
that this podcast is recorded on Hello, but are you happy? Friends?
I'm your host, Claire Stevens, and you might not know
that I also host another podcast on the mum Man
network called Canceled. It's a comedy podcast where my sister
(00:32):
Jesse Stevens and I look at bizarre celebrity cancelations and
we give charges and sentences to them so we can
all move on with our lives. I wanted to share
with you one of my favorite episodes that we did
recently about the OC, a show that ran from two
thousand and three to two thousand and seven. If you're
a millennial, you grew up watching this show and you
(00:54):
were most likely completely obsessed with Ryan Atwood, who in
hindsight was like seventy five years old, Marissa Cooper, Summer Roberts,
and Seth Cohen. Seth was the best. He was funny
and quirky, and he is of course played by Adam Borough,
who is now the star of the Netflix show Nobody
Wants This, so we're kind of thinking about the OC again.
(01:17):
It is back in the zeitgeist. But it did have
some problematic but hilarious storylines, and it's what went on
when the actors weren't filming that is the most juicy
and most ridiculous. Enjoy this episode and if you do,
we release new episodes. Have canceled every single week, so
you can keep me in your ears until the next
(01:37):
season of But are You happy? Hello, and welcome to cancel.
The podcast looks at selly celebrity crimes and as science
charges and sentences to them so we can all move
on with our lives. I'm Kleos Stephens and I'm Jesse
(01:57):
Stevens and Jesse. Today we're talking about the OC. Welcome
to the OC, bitch, who are you? Whoever? You want
me to be? Ill? Ryan's gonna stay with us. Now,
what do you wip from me? Cohen? I'm show you.
(02:20):
This is one of those episodes where you go, oh,
this was twenty years ago. Does it feel urgent? And
the answer is yes, it does feel urgent because I
don't know if you're going to say this, but because
of what I might describe as the resurgence of one
Seth Cohen, and I don't mean Adam Brody. I mean
Seth Cohen, because Seth Cohen is Seth Cohen again in
(02:42):
a Netflix series called Nobody Wants This something like that, Yeah,
something like that. So I will tell you before you begin.
I will tell you my vibe. Oh, because you've watched
some I haven't watched anything. You never watched the OC. No,
the OC obviously this new show. No, I don't want
to talk about the new show. I want to about
the OCA. Oh, I know quickly, you've seen a few episodes.
(03:02):
If nobody wants this, No, Claire, I've watched fifteen minutes
and you vibe. I didn't love it. I didn't and
I'm alone in that. I don't know. Oh, I don't know.
And everyone else likes it, but I just wasn't. In
a low food or something, I'm gonna love it. I
quite like the Jewish storyline because she's a shitska, which
is what I am, which is when you are a
(03:22):
woman who is not Jewish with a man who is Jewish.
I think the Jewish stuff very fun, but anyway, it
wasn't for me. Now my ViBe's on the oct Okay Ryan,
forty nine year old Micha Button did seem twenty. I
remember being very young and seeing Mischa Barton's face and body.
I remember seeing her described as a coat hanger, that
(03:45):
she could wear anything, and I remember thinking, I wonder
if I'm a coat not a coat hanger. You're more
of a brick. Yeah. Yeah, just because he's short and
you know, things go out. Yeah, there's like shape. I
can't wear anything. My other recollections are Sandy Cohen's eyebrows
for play. Oh yeah, you know, massaging, you know, not nibbling.
(04:15):
Then that.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Look, here's the point. Just because you're ready to go,
it doesn't mean she is.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I'm always ready to go.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Oh you, my son. We Cohens are very sexual beings.
Viral get you disgusting.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Seth Con had a lovely home and it was nice
to hear housed Ryan and Rachel Bilson AKA. Someone wanted
to go to Brown. I think that's all I've got. Okay,
Brown is a university. Yes, and she did go, did she?
And then she got Actually I didn't include this. She
actually got expelled. Can you get expelled from university? Kicked
out of university for freeing lab rabbits? Love with her
(04:54):
friend Chris Pratt. It was her college friend. Yes, now, yes,
we should probably add that when you're at university you
had a labrat named cruder Yeah, Crutis Critis, Yeah, I
had a labrat and your mestage Crudis. Some things things
yet to turn around circle and Curtis never learned to think.
And that was because the incentive was food and Curtis
(05:15):
what wasn't food motivated? Crutis was a big boy, and
Crudis was, as my lecturer said, satiated. Ah, yeah, I
wasn't motivated. Okay, anyway, nobody wants this got me thinking
about the OC. Yeah. It aired from two thousand and
three until two thousand and seven, with four seasons and
ninety two episodes. Fantastic, and that was the beginning of
(05:38):
an iconic era of teen show great music, love time.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
We used to do with friends, Woods, make a deal
with God someday, Colas.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Oh dawning. I didn't realize that literally by the end
of the OC, the creators Slash showrunners were already working
on Gossip Like. It's the same creative and I feel
like the OC overlapped with Laguna Beach, which was geographically Yes,
it was the inspiration the first season of that They
were like, we need more debt here, specifically with hot people. Yeah,
(06:27):
and they did that and he was excellent. Oh we
should do an episode about Laguna Beach. Oh. The OC
centered around Ryan Atwood, who, as he mentioned, was meant
to be a teenager but was seventy five years old. No,
he was twenty three. He had oustereoporosis, so probably No.
He went straight from Seth Cohen's pool room to an
old age home. He did, No, he didn't. He was
(06:48):
only twenty. He is a troubled youth and his mother
kicks him out, and Sandy and Kirsten Cohen take him in.
They're rich and have a lone of sons, and Ryan
has to adapt from his life of violence and poverty
to this fancy one. But he learns even rich people
have their problems, which is a really important lesson chance.
(07:13):
I remember reading that their swimming pool was only ankle date.
Oh that's fun in real life, Like they couldn't actually
swim in it, which made me feel sad. I mean,
wasn't it order to set I guess I know. Not
the pool, not the pool? All right. Well, he falls
in love with Marissa, and he befriends Seth and that
first season was where most of your memories of the
(07:35):
OC come from. Oh.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Also, that wasn't exactly the way that I first planned
to talk to Summer, But I am now on a radar.
Do you think I should tell her about Tahiti? Do you?
That's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Let's see, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I wanted to make sure that we were on the
same page.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
The love triangle between Seth, Anna and Summer was fitting. Okay,
let meet you back upstairs, smokeler, Summer Anna sat Holly awkward.
This is weird. I want to explain everything to you.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I kissed you. I know, I kissed you were true.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I always knew you were a late Bloomerius sweety. Have
you not please?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Oh you don't want her to go? No? No? I
mean yes and yes, yes, Okay I was awkward with
her here.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Now finally she's gone.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Let me tell you something. The great music Anna, Yep,
all of that. It's simply was then in the Bad
Day film clip about that and she's good Day and
I was like, didn't she's with Seth I like her
short hair. No, she moved back to Pittsburgh. Anyway, It
(08:45):
simply went downhill from there. Jesse some fun facts quick cameos.
Chris Pratt, as aforementioned, he was in season four as
a college activist. Max Greenfield, who went on to play
Schmidt in New Girl, was a young Sandy Cohen in
a flashback. M Good casting Shylene Woodley. I was originally
(09:07):
Marie's younger sister. In season one. She went to boarding
school and when she came back, she was a different action.
I love when they think we won't notice. Olivia Wilde
originally auditioned to play Marissa, but then she went on
to play Alex, Marissa's love interest. Paris Hilton had a
cameo in season one and kiss Seth relax on your la.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Chicks are so late. We're not from lam Orange County,
Orange County.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
And but Heard had a cameo in season two. There
are many more. I could go on forever, but none
of that matters. I want to reunion. I want to
like it. Yeah, yeah, a reunion where they all hang out.
It's like they all say, I've seen some shit. Well
you'll want to reunion more after all. Right, what I'm
about to tell you My structure for today's follows inappropriate
(09:53):
relationships both on and off screen. Poor behavior on set
was Marissa The worst and most bizarre storylines inappropriate relationships
on screen. Julie Cooper, Marissa's mother, Wake Up Jimmy.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
The Sigreeds donated a pull and Field house their son
only small part.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Marissa shot someone. We've got to at least give them
an underground how she was annoying. She had like red hair,
and she had a problem. She had all sorts of problems.
She has a relationship with the ex boyfriend of her daughter, Luke.
I'd forgotten. Now it's accepted Luke is now big on TikTok.
He's big on TikTok and he was in Nashville. Yeah,
(10:37):
he does funny, funny tiktoks about having been on the OC. Anyway,
it's accepted in the OC that the kids are all
sixteen or seventeen, and Luke is in the same year
as everyone else at school. Therefore, Julie having sex with him,
which she does, would technically be stated true rape, but
it was more like a bit sexy yeah and a
(10:58):
bit naughty yeah. Instead, it's played off as drama and
it's all like this will destroy Marissa, and it's a
bit like how about Luke, how's Luke doing? Yeah, but
the writers did add a tiny detail to make the
relationship technically legal. Melinda Clark, who played Julie, told in
Style the kids are technically sixteen, but there's a scene
(11:22):
where Luke and Julie are having their rendezvous and in
the morning he's like, I don't want to be late
for home room. That's when you know things are fucked anyway,
and Julie goes, you have homeroom, right, because you're in
high school and you're only eighteen. They added that he
was eighteen, so the insinuation is he started school late
or got held back, which is believable when you knew
(11:42):
his character. Yes, but he is still not. Okay, you can't,
it's against the law. No, but it's not right. No,
but they were hot together, okay, okay. Well, Also, when
Marissa discovers the relationship, she hits Luke and tells him
to stay away from her before wishing him dead. And
then he leaves town and it's like he goes child,
(12:05):
he was preyed upon, prayed upon Mars who just goes
along wreaking havoc. It's honestly chaos. Then there was Marissa
and Ryan's relationship. I liked that no behind the scenes, oh,
(12:30):
because they were both playing teenagers. Yep. But Mischa Barton
was seventeen at the beginning of the show, and Bet
McKenzie was forty five. No, he wasn't he was twenty five. Okay,
that's fine, it's not when again, the age of consent
in California is eighteen. Yeah, but they weren't having real
sex on screen. They probably were because they were in
(12:52):
a relationship, were they Yeah, from the beginning of filming.
I'm sure they weren't having sex then because it was
against the law. Well, Mischa Barton has pretty much implied
that they were. Okay, so earlier this year she was
a guest John call her daddy. Yeah, yeah, and I
saw the clips and she said that her and Ben McKenzie,
we're in a relationship right from the beginning of filming,
(13:13):
she said, I mean it was kind of complicated for me.
I went into that a virgin, like a kid, like
really feeling like I needed to grow up quickly. That
was my first Okay, yep, it's like relationship or so,
what's the age of consent eighteen? Eighteen? And she was seventeen.
She said, I had no idea what I was doing.
She said she ended the relationship with him while the
(13:36):
two were still acting together on the show, and she said,
we just had to suck it up and get on
with it. But there was a lot of jabs behind
the scenes and off camera. I felt like that kind
of ostracized me as well, because there was a marked
difference in maturity level there. And she said she felt
not mature enough to continue the relationship and that it
was overwhelming. I find that a little bit problematic. It
(13:59):
is seventeen and twenty five, and I know she'd been
in the industry and that sort of thing, but I
don't know, I feel a bit funny about it. She
was a ghost in the sixth sense. She was a
ghost when you know from she came who under the bed.
She was terrifying. She was absolutely terrifying. And now I
think we've talked about it before, every time I get
out of bed, I imagine Nicka Barton's there, She's gonna
(14:19):
grabbed my Ankle's pale because she's sick. Ghost, she's vomiting
because her mother's poisoning her. Yeah, poor behavior on that's
sixth sense. We didn't make that clear enough. Poor behavior
on set. When you have four very young stars become
famous very quickly, people start being to each other. Yes, okay,
(14:41):
Tate Donov not seth. Oh sorry, you'll see he was
the most sticky. No he was, No, he was. Tate
Donovan played Marissa's deadbeat dad, Jimmy, and he told Vulture
he found it difficult working with those stars while he
was directing an episode. He said, by the time I
started to direct, the kids on the show had developed
a really bad attitude. They just didn't want to be
(15:03):
doing the show anymore. It was pretty tough. They were
very tough to work with. The adults were all fantastic.
You know how it is with young actors. When you
achieve a certain amount of success, you want to be
doing something else. I mean, one of them turned to
me and said, this show is ruining my film career,
and he had never done a film before. Side note.
In a moment, I think it will become clear who
(15:24):
this was. The guy who played bad boy Voltchok. Do
you remember Voltchok? Yeah? Yeah, vaguely, yeah, really hot, really
very look up, Yeah no you should. His name's Cam Gigandett.
He told Elle magazine. The things that I remember now,
none of them are good. It was only the third
or fourth season. Those kids, I remember him. Oh he's
(15:47):
been in Twilight so hot. He said. Those kids were
fucking miserable. They could not remember their lines on purpose.
They were young. He said, Ben mackenzie was kind of
mean to me. I hadn't done anything at that point,
and he was a little bit of an ass. Then
he was asked about Mischa Barton, who played his on
screen love interest, and he said, was she there? I
don't even have memories of her now, But it would
(16:11):
seem that the person we really need to talk about
attitude wise is none other than Adam Brody. Yeah, that's right.
I'm big dork and I listen to email and I'm
dating her. I like you this much, and if you
don't feel the same way about me, then someone's gonna
have to give me a handdown, because it's really high
(16:33):
up here and I could fall and that would be embarrassing.
Just comes across as very likable. Do you think I've
been watching a few interviews and interviews. He's very he's giving,
he's giving. Blake Lively so different anyway. I mean, I
think just in terms of at least I don't know
the profession time. I guess I just don't look at
(16:56):
it through that lens. So I watched one interview and
he was fine. And he is married to Blair Waldorf,
which is what they describe as a millennial wet. Very true. Well,
at the end of last year, the cast and crew
(17:16):
opened up about the reality of the OC in a
book called Welcome to the OC, The Oral History Serious
creator Josh Schwartz was the first to admit everyone was
sick of the series by the time they got into
the third or fourth seasons. I'm interested in them being
sick of it. This is the make like Ben mackenzie, Yeah,
where you've been, where you've been, This is the heart
(17:38):
of your career. This is something that actors wait their
whole lives for. Just put your head down, be like
the Friends cast, and just hold on for the ride.
I wouldn't be wanting to jump off for the film
that isn't there yet for you to be in. Josh
Schwartz said, by the time we got to season three,
we were all burned out. We'd made so many episodes
so quickly, and I think it wasn't a happy set
(18:00):
for long stretches of it. Quite frankly, everybody was over
it by that point, and I was one of those
people who was over it. It had been a great ride,
but it had been a volatile ride. Executive producer Stephanie
Savage also noted the morale among the cast was very lackluster,
and said they had started to be a bit petulant,
with directors having an attitude reading a book during rehearsal
(18:23):
instead of paying attention that kind of thing. Melinda Clark,
who played Julie, said, we were very aware in season
you should in prison fictionally, fictionallytionally. We were very aware
in season three of how disliked the scripts were, especially
by the kids. They're calling them kids. I mean, we've
said it once, we'll say it again. Is on a pension, Yeah,
(18:50):
he's not a child. Well, Adam and Ben were like,
we're grown men and were playing in high school still.
Adam Brody has admitted that he stopped reading scripts after
a time You could tell well, with producers saying that
the scripts piled up outside his The director had to
(19:12):
have a conversation with him about being more invested in
the job that you're getting paid a lot of money
to do. He was so disinterested the writers had to
come up with a plot to explain why his performance
was so poor. Josh Schwartz said, Brody just changed his delivery,
his investment in it. Hang on, if I'm remembering this correctly,
(19:34):
Like he became so vague and disinterested that someone was like,
are you going to fight for me? And he was like,
am not really well? His style shifted to such a
degree that we felt like we needed to account for
it creatively. Josh Schwartz said, that's where Caitlin gets seth
hooked on pot a group, we were like, how do
(19:55):
we explain his lethargy on lesgy And at least if
we can write that he's stoned, then we're not trying
to write around it. They literally had to make him
have a weed problem to explain why he knows longest speak.
He has not read the script. No. Adam Brody has
(20:16):
said I was polite to everyone. I liked the directors,
the crew and I got on really well. I didn't
keep people waiting, okay, would do you read the script's? Mate?
I would never scream or yell at anyone. No, no,
one's accusing you of screaming or yelling say anything fucking mean.
But I think I very much let my distaste for
(20:37):
the later episodes be known. I didn't mask that at all,
and I'm sure I openly mocked it a bit. So
I'm not proud of that. Okay. In his defense and
actually the defense of all of the cast, like at
a young age, he was seth fucking Cohen. Oh must
have been awful. No, I think that that just gives
you an ego. Oh yeah, like every girl was in
(21:00):
love with him. He has just skyrocketed to fame out
of nowhere. This all sounds like ego. Yes, well, he said,
I started to be creatively less interested. I aim myself
for a lack of professionalism and a disrespect to the work.
In terms of engagement as a whole, I'll just say
that they are different shows season one and the later seasons.
(21:22):
Had the quality been the quality of season one, I'm
sure I would have been a lot more engaged. Chicken
or Egg, Adam Chicken of it and my engagement went
hand in hand. Chicken or Egg, I had to write
you as a stoner because you gave them nothing. In
his defense, that is the general consensus that the first
(21:45):
season was lightning in a bottle and they simply could
not recreate it. Things got weirder and weirder. And this
is the thing about television, right. We've been doing a
bit of television writing, and what they always say is
you write the kind of story arc for season one,
and they always say, all right, where do we go
to season two? And sometimes you want to say, I
don't think this is a multiple seasons. I think this
(22:07):
is a single story. It's like when you write a book,
see're writing a series, it's like I'm thinking I'll just
wrap it up at the end and have a holiday
and have a sleep. But with television, it's like, if
it works, if there's a proof of concept. I think
we ought they're like but more, but more, and you're like,
they're just they're just the still at school, the OC
and it's like we feel like we kind of covered
(22:28):
that in the first Yeah, Now, like, will they won't they?
That was what season one was. Season two, will they won't? Well,
I'm less invested season two. Marissa, God, the guys, come on,
we got up the stakes. Too many people are getting
Seth is addicted to Pott. Yeah, Okay, we can see that. Okay.
(22:50):
Adam Brodie said it became a bit of a game
for him to figure out what the main storylines of
the show were by only reading his scenes, which he
was not proud of. That's actually hilarious turning up to
set only create your thing. You'd be really in the moment. Yeah,
(23:12):
you'd be like, technically, like what's happening with It's a
surprise to Brian. It's quite meta really because it's like, well,
I don't know what's happening in scenes that I'm not
present in. Yeah, exactly, that's the real Seth Cohen. I
should only know what Seth knows. Yeah. Yeah, And if
this feels tone death and this is why he's had
a long and fruitful career, yeah maybe. Well he told
(23:35):
people at the time that he would only read the
pages he was shooting each day, like that's all he
would read. So he didn't I love it. Yeah. Adam
Brody was famously dating Rachel Bilson at the time. Okay,
I remember that, And you might say, did he date
the same person twice? Because Rachel Bilson is the same
(23:55):
person as Leyden Maister. Yes, yeah, they are the same
in that they are brunette and dated Adam Broudience. Anyway,
apparently his behavior put her in an awkward position. Poem,
what palmy wish I was a You remember that? I
was like sixth grade. Haven't we all been there? Yeah,
(24:16):
when your bloody boyfriend is Yeah, he won't do his work,
smoker too much wait on set and off set Anyway,
she said, you want to be supportive of the person
you're with. But also I'm a firm believer in always
being grateful and gratitude comes first. I think there were
probably times where that went by the wayside. You grow up,
(24:39):
you look back and you can realize when you're young
you might behave in certain ways you wish you hadn't.
So clearly she was like, dude, read this scene. Can
you read that scrouped outside your trailer instead of that
strange book? Come on, it's disrespectful to everyone. Josh Schwartz
now says he wishes that he had got everyone together
(25:03):
and had a big like come to Jesus meeting where
he was like, guys, let's talk about how the show
has lost its way. Oh right, yeah, and he reckons
it would have helped the cast feel heard and they
also might have got some good ideas, yeah, because they
were stuck on ideas. Yeah, they were clearly stuck. And
I always wonder with this. We were saying, sometimes you
don't know if you've got enough steam for other series,
(25:25):
but you do wonder. It's coc you'd think they had
some of the best writers.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I know.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
There were really arbitrary things, like they'd be told you
need another adults, like they call them kids and adults.
I don't know why you need another adult to have
a prominent storyline in this season. So there was season
two or three where I feel like Sandy care about
cheating on each other. Yeah, I was invested in Sandy
(25:51):
and it's like no one cares about them. Mischa Button's
face up close. Yeah, it's not that complicated. Nice music, yeah,
Newyear's Eve, Ryan Arrive, b Roll b Roll of Orange County. Yeah,
not that hard and some fun music. In other gossips,
Mischa Barton and Rachel Bilson didn't really get along. Two
thousand and four interview with Elle Button made a very
(26:13):
odd comment about Bilson. She said she's way more overtly
sexual than I am. She is so botite, and I'm
so tall and lanky, I think I'd be scared of
having her voluptuousness. I like being understatedly sexy. Oh okay,
so you're calling her a slut, but we've got we've
(26:34):
got the Madonna hare yeah complex. And what you've done
if you've called Bilton a hall yeah yeah, She's like,
I'm really thin, and therefore I'm sexy in a better way.
What you'll notice is I am very thin. Rachel Bilson's
a slut and Scott a tits out, which I think
is unseemly and undignified. I personally cover myself and you'll
(26:56):
realize I'm sexy in a more demure way.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Very demure, very mindful.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Mission button than In twenty twenty one, when asked what
prompted her decision to leave the series at the end
of season three, Barton gave an interview with E did
it keep going after Barton left? Where there's a whole season? Okay,
all right? That hinted that Bilson being cast as a
series regular played a part. It had a lot to
do with them adding Bilson in last minute as after
(27:24):
the first season a series regular and evening out everybody's pay.
So she's basically saying I was meant to be the lead. Yeah,
and then they got Summer, like Summer had more of
a role. I felt like Rachel Bilson did go to
Brown for a bit. No, I was in season four. Yeah,
but I think she like disappeared. Yeah. Well it's like
I followed, okay, but there was a lot of following
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septh Cohen around that house. Didn't he get on a boat?
Who got on a boat? And that was the end
of season one? That was early right, Okay, maybe we
didn't follow them on the boat. No. Bilson responded on
a podcast saying that's misinformation. Where is she going with
this and what is she trying to say? I would
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actually like to talk to her and find out what
her experience was from her perspective, because I saw things
a little differently. So she's clearly like, why is mister
Barton hate me? Will have him here if they want
to have a chat, I will get you off the mic. Yeah, say, ladies,
sit down. This is not the format of this podcast.
In fact, we're not even recording it. This is just
(28:31):
for me. Claires. Just don't mind her. She's in the corner. Yeah,
she's listening. I'm salivating. She's salivating. And what we're gonna
ask is who here is the bitch bo that's fun
on gall Her Daddy Barton said, it's typical that in
these sets, not everybody is going to get along. There
are going to be clashes, there's going to be people
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who create rumors and make stuff up. I think I
was very sensitive to that because I was so young.
It felt like high school but in the real world
and very elevated and very magnified. I was looking at
some stuff recently about pretty little liars and they always
say not everyone's gonna get along, and I'm like, so
there was fucking gossips. Okay, what I hear is what
(29:13):
I'm hearing. And when people say not everyone's going to
get along, it's like, who are you bullying? Who? Who
specifically bullying? I remember in year nine they do I
think people mostly get along in a workplace. If they don't,
there are issues that should be addressed. But I remember
in year nine they did like a religion day or whatever,
and they did a big thing on rumors of damaging
(29:33):
Do you remember that? Yeah? Yeah, that was very very vague,
and I was a quick question, what rumors may you
share them? So that I understand that they're damaging. But
I was thinking that maybe if all of us could
share one rumor and we could kind of play with
that and talk about how they're damaging because I heard
that she's given a hand job. That's all I'm saying.
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It's very like actors to say that not everyone gets along.
You can't imagine like a group of people in a
writer's room and then someone coming out of the writer's
room and saying, not everyone gets along, not everyone's going
to get home. I'm boring, You're boring. There's less ego,
like go into a staff room like there's eccentric. There's
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imagine a teacher, a teacher being like not everyone guest long,
like you're busy doing your job. Yeah, everyone's too busy
to be playing into this drama. But then Barton appeared
on Bilson's podcast, which is like a rewatch of the
OC podcast. Yeah with Julie. Julie's has a lot to say.
(30:37):
I guess Julie has she done much, She's done the podcast? Okay, Anyway,
Barton appeared on that it's called Welcome to the OC,
and so I reckon they've made up all right? Love that? Yeah,
so they already they stole our ideas. No more, no
more rumors, I guess, no more rumors. But we could
find out what the rumors were at the time. Yeah,
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was Marissa the worst? I don't even know what to say.
We did find share the Wow, I'll see if you're
right on the first Wilm we could start smoking wed
Luck Coop kidding kind of Wait stop, I'm sorry, but
I can't do this. I have to go what you
weren't even gonna try and start me? You were so
(31:32):
don't got that money, Jesse online. There's a weird level
of animosity towards Marissa Cooper. That's the same with Carrie Bradshaw.
It's like, yeah, characters complicated at Fardy, that's why you
watched it. Yes, it is one of those times where
people have to remember it was just a TV show
and Marissa wasn't real. She was just a character. This
(31:54):
is from a Bustle article. You see Marissa Cooper, played
by the monotone voiced Barton, is one of the worst
TV characters to ever grace the Medium. She's whiny and annoying, selfish,
and narcissistic. From the moment she first appears on screen,
creepily oggling Ryan until he offers her a cigarette. Her
entire purpose is to make things more difficult for the
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teens of Newport than they need to be. She starts fights,
breaks up relationships, forces her friends to literally save her
life several times, doing absolutely nothing in return, except in
capital letters, ruin their lives. The author writes about got
carried away, constant near death experiences. It's gold plot. She writes,
(32:38):
almost dying in Tijuana, almost dying with Oliver, almost dying
with Trey. All right, that one wasn't her fault. Okay,
what we need you to do? Almost to stop watching
the Oh yeah, okay, put it down. Put it down.
That's actually it's not even being made anymore. So you
just got to move on. Marissa couldn't go a couple
of months without nearly getting killed, and every time she
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came close to biting it, her friends had to be
the ones who saved, and when she actually died in
the third season, spoiler goes bull Chuck, the creepy guy
she's been hanging out with, rammed into Ryan's cart and
ruined his life too. Even in death, Maurissa couldn't help
but make things difficult for everyone around her. Okay, you
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need to see a therapist, because you don't get to
be mad at someone when they've died. That way, She's like,
dying was freaking annoying and selfish. And there are so
many shows where like the main character is a serial
killer and I would argue that they yus for example. Worse.
She also talks about when Marissa made Ryan's life terrible
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after moving to Newport. The only thing Ryan needed in
his life was stability and real baby, the crazy, unlikable
and totally unappreciative girl next door. Over the course there
again off again relationship, Marissa did everything in her power
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to make Ryan's life mising. No, you need to speak
to the site. When she died, she sent him on
a downward spiral that ended with cage fighting. What dear
Ryan of the OC pilot shut ah, see that girl
standing there weirdly staring at you. Don't talk to her.
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In fact, get as far away from her as you can,
trust me could Okay, you need to chill. You need
to Marissa to die as she was needed. The chaos
was necessary to the story to move Ryan also a character.
(34:49):
Ryan didn't need stability all right, Ryan needed plot Ryan
needed plot in order to sustain the series. Okay, and
Ryan doesn't need your protection because Ryan isn't real. Okay.
The most bizarre storylines Marissa and Alex. Don't let her
talk me to stay the name. You can't. You have
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to take me home. In season two, we have a
same sex relationship which perpetua, which was fun, precisely every
stereotype biosexuality. Alex is played by Livia Wilde, and she
dates both Seth Cohen and Marissa Cooper love because bi
sexual people date everyone in discris duplicitous. Yes, you can't
(35:31):
trust him exactly. That was very much the line that
they were trying to push in sort of the early
two thousands was bisexual people. They were like, because that bisexuality,
it exists. We're not saying it doesn't exist. We're saying saying,
make up your mind, is what we're saying, because otherwise
they'll take the boys and the girls. And then what
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they were saying, it's manipulative. It's manipulative, and yet you
can't trust him, and that's just not true. Alex was
a bad girl, and bisexuality obviously goes hand in hand
with being bad. Rebelliousness yes, but there was a lot
of trivialization around same sex relationships curse and literally says,
I'm sure it's just a phase about Marissa being with Alex,
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and when Seth finds out that Alex stated a woman
before him, he says she needs to be reminded that
testosterone was missing in her last relationship. Cool. I think
it is reflective of the world in which this show
was created, which was those sorts of awful things were
being said behind closed doors within families all the time. Yeah,
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Summer versus Anna. In season one, Seth goes from having
no friends to having two girls pining after him, one
who he likes for her personality, Anna, and the other
he likes because she's hot Summer. Who does he choose
the whole one? Summer? Yeah? Cool, even though she's there's
a moral in that. I remember thinking there was some
(36:57):
strange morals. I didn't like it. I thought it would
be nice if you Joe's Anna, but we all knew
it was never going to Yeah. I think that they
dangled the two in front of him to try and
keep him interested because he wasn't reading the scripts, so
they were like pretty thir No, he was a pretty
sick season one. Oh okay, and they're like every man
must make a choice between a blonde and a brunette.
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Not usually true. And if you have brown hair, you
will choose the brunette. If you are blonde, like forty
five year old right over here, you will choose bl blonde.
The blonde is with the blonde. We don't cross pollinate.
Yah yack ya. And you also must choose between hot, rebellious,
kind of off the rails and like mean and like
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mean and nice and nice is boring and dark. For plot,
Ryan punching people Jesse. Ryan often beats someone up in
the third act of the episode. And it's a conflict,
it's a complication, I understand. Yeah. Narratively, the tension had
to rise, and then he'd often throw a punch, just
as Seth gave a quirky one liner. But it went
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to a whole new level after Marissa died, which we'll
get to where Ryan decided to take up a cage
fighting career. There's a scene what is cage fighting? Oh,
you're in a cage and you're fighting. It's like professional fighting.
But it's like he has tried to, like, you know,
take the bad boy out of himself. But he's like,
I guess I'll just get beaten up. And so he
(38:24):
does this cage fight where he just gets beaten up
and lets himself be beaten up. I guess because he's grieving. Okay,
but then men are weird. But men are weird. But
then he turns around and wins but doesn't collect his winnings,
and it's like too many plot points. This is a
weird trajectory for Ryan. Yeah, the man needs to get
(38:46):
out of the cage, get a job. He's actually quite
clever in the show. I forgot that he's quite good
at school. He should focus on that. Put your head down, yep, yep.
Needs to go to college. Stop throwing punches, yep. Marissa's death.
Unless you are a Game of Thrones, you simply cannot
kill off a main character and expect the show to
thrive in season I don't think they expected. Season three,
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things are finally looking better for her. They've all graduated.
She's about to go to Greece to work on a boat,
and Ryan is driving her to the airport. Then she's
killed in a car accident caused by vulture. Ryan carries
(39:44):
her out of the burning car while Halloween play Jesse,
did you rewatch this? Yeah? I will always find that
profoundly moving. It's the flashback, so she's dying, she still
looks so pretty lucky. She has like a tiny bit
of body, some would say pretty ear because she's just
(40:07):
so still and beautiful and you can scare at her
and she's not moving. Yeah, and then there's a flashback
to like Ryan driving away from and she's standing on
the street, and it's just it honestly makes me feel
quite sick with emotion. I think they did something there.
They did, Yeah, but I will say it is bizarre
for her to die and then expect the story. Didn't
(40:29):
she just want to get off the show? Yeah? But
then the story they should have ended the series. Well,
they should have ended the series after season one. Yeah,
and this is why the series needed to end when
Marissa died. Okay, because then in season four we had
an alternate universe plot. What, No, we didn't, No, he didn't.
So Ryan is in a relationship joking about the cage fighting. No, well,
(40:52):
I mean the cage fighting isn't in the alternate universe,
But where's that that just happens in season four? Okay? Anyway,
Ryan is in a relationship with Taylor. Who's Taylor, you'd
know her face. She goes to the school. Okay, but
they both fall off a ladder. How long are they
at school? Like I feel like they were nearly done
in season one in four, like they knew each other
from school. Ok. But like some of the others are
(41:14):
at college, they both fall off a ladder and into together. Yeah,
they're both on the ladder. Well yeah, and they're going
to fall off in a coma. And in that coma
they enter an alternate universe where Ryan never moved to
Newport Beach for some reason. As I said, both Ryan
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and Taylor are in the alternate universe together. Yeah, that's
what happens. Actually, I've heard with comas is that if
you have a coma and someone you know a coma,
then it's like a shit jo. It's like if you're
playing like a video game on Xbox and then someone
else logs in, kind of like that. Taylor goes to
Marissa's bedroom in the alternate universe, and the maid says MS.
(41:58):
Cooper's plane arrives at three o'clock from Berkeley, which is
where Marissa wanted to go. So Taylor believes Marissa is
still alive in this alternate universe, and she tells Ryan,
but she doesn't want him to go to the airport
because she's worried that he'll be like, oh my god,
Marissa's here, and then he won't ever want to leave
the alternate universe. At the air I'm moved. I have
(42:20):
a little bit more. At the airport, Ryan grabs the
shoulder of a girl he thinks is Marissa, but Marissa
said she wouldn't do season four. It's actually Marissa's younger sister, Caitlin,
otherwise known as Shalene, would lee. Only at the beginning,
she explains that her sister died three years ago of
(42:40):
an overdose in Tijuana, So basically it's like she would
have done I got mumps. She would have died in Tijuana. Yeah,
which was like before a lot of stuff happened. Oh,
because I think Ryan rescued it from Tijuana. Anyway, everyone
else's lives are different. But I guess what you learn
(43:00):
is that you really need to make up alternate universes
when you kill off, when you run out, does he
come out of the coma Yeah, together with Taylor. Yeah,
He's like ever talk about it. Yeah, but it's like,
I guess he's at peace knowing she would have died anyway. Cool.
I don't know. There's a lot of stuff that like
doesn't have. Like, there's some sad stuff. There's a guy
(43:21):
Johnny who falls off a cliff. He doesn't fall off
the cliff if Ryan doesn't come. Okay. Yeah, anyway, when
Marissa shot Trey, this is such a complicated storyline. Who's
Tray again? Who played him? He's Ryan's brother, you know
his face? Okay, But he gets out of jail and
he comes to the OC and he ends up sexually
assaulting Marissa. When Ryan finds out, he goes to Trey's
(43:44):
place to confront him and they're fighting. Trey is about
to he like grabs like a landline phone which damn
bad a brick yep, and goes to hit him, but
Marissa grabs the gun and shoots him and Jesse, can
you read this T shirt? I still think about when
(44:04):
Marissa shot Trey to save Ryan while Imagen heats Hide
and Seek played on the OC season two for nine.
Please love it. It's that's where you see. It's like
what you say, and it's all of a sudden slow
(44:26):
motion and Tray's the bullet goes from his back to
his front and the blood starts pouring out, and you're like,
just killed Tray. Yeah, but it does say in small text,
I downloaded an MP three of the song the next day. Yeah,
I think we downloaded from Lime Wire. Yes, So that
was the season two finale. Beginning of season three, Tray's alive.
(44:48):
He survived. He was in a goma obviously, and Marissa
is now like facing legal consequences, you know what I mean,
Like Trey just needed to die. Yeah, he did need
to die, but I guess contractually he was meant to
be another season. Yeah, I guess, so, bar Jesse, it's
(45:12):
time for charges and sentences. My charge, my biggest charge
in all of this is that these young stars, they thought,
well when I say they are mostly been Adam Brody
and a little bit Ben Mackenzie, thought they could do
(45:32):
better than the writers. And what they weren't experiencing was say,
pressure from the network, feed back from producers, all sorts
of things about what you had to do, what you
couldn't do, who needed more time? And I just think
the arrogance of being yes, forty seven years old. No, No,
(45:54):
he wasn't. Ben McKenzie was not forty seven. Yeah he
was by the end, he was. He wasn't thirty yet.
But the arrogance of thinking like looking down on the
writers and not reading the scripts. Honestly, you have a
go Adam Brady and you're high. Yeah on screen, but
(46:16):
looks like you also are in your trailer my sentence.
A reboot. You know we're rebooting everything, aren't we. Yeah?
Remember they bloody rebooted the four House. They rebooted everything
for a minute. None of them worked and they never
did it again. But go on. I really hate the
term reboot me too. I don't like it. No, it
doesn't work anyway. Yeah, So a reboot written exclusively by
(46:38):
Adam Brady? Has he written since? I don't think so,
but I want him It would be very quippi. I
think he's in his tw forties now, yeah, and I
want him to sit down. And he's had a lot
of experience. He was in Jennifer's body and did it.
It's the one with Megan Fox. Never heard of it.
(46:59):
It's actually really good. I've seen a lot of clips
of it on TikTok. He was in Mister and Missus Smith.
He was in promising young women. He's had the most
successful career of any of them. Yeah, what's Sandy been in? Oh?
I haven't seen him? Yeah? Originally she's just on podcasts
she is. Anyway, you want Adam to write a series,
it would be successful to write a season and just reboot.
(47:22):
I want to know where are we all? Now? Where
are we? Because none of us are together? Marissa's dead,
Maris is dead. Do you reckon she comes back? Okay,
this is what he should do, a reboot? But what
you do is you were raise No, no, no, you
were raise seasons two, three, and four, because you can go.
This is a reboot, brogending that we just have season one,
(47:46):
which I think was like twenty seven to twenty eight episodes.
It's actually not about idea season one yep, time jump
twenty years and now where are they? Marissa's still alive
accident is sitting Ryan and his care facility? Aren't we
we are? We are all right, my charge. I remember
watching this and feeling so ugly. Oh gosh. I remember
(48:10):
studying Mischa Button's face, the simplicity of it, and being like,
why is my face so complicated? It has remembered many parts. Yeah, yeah,
like there's so much wrong with it. And I remember
looking at Marissa and there was one episode where she
wore a boobtube look great and strapless, had great little
boney shoulders and pearls, and I found myself going to
(48:33):
a beach party. Oh no, and I did wear pearls
to the beach. And I think back to that and
I think, no, no, pearls should never be in a
situation where they get sandy. They were pearls, but you
know when they were like colored beads. Oh no, colored
beads with a lovely burnt orange boob tube. And I
was like, I am mischa, button, don't get me mixed up.
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No one, No one did. She would have said, she
would have said, you're too voluptuous, and she's more understated. Unfortunately,
you are right. My sentence is that it was just
never made with the right people. Because seventeen year olds
are disgusting. I'll hear me out. Seventeen year olds are acne, greasy.
(49:22):
They all have hormonal acne. Because I don't know what's
going on yet. You've probably not got your braces off.
You're making bad fashion decisions. Yep. You're incraimating with fake tan. Yeah.
And here's the other thing. I've been spending a lot
of time at my local library, and that is where
HS students hang out. Yeah, and there is no one,
(49:42):
no offense, anything more insufferable. And so it needs to
be like these teenagers that oscillate from like, oh, we're
so cool, let's go to a party, and then and
then being I think that the maths teachers really didn't
mark that fair. We need more of a build, need
more of it. I saw a thing this is totally unrelated.
(50:03):
I saw a thing at the library, a little poster
I nearly took a photo for you because I thought
it would upset you that said we're having a night
for everyone doing the HC. Come, We're going to talk
about study skills. And I was like, study skills, great,
And then it said what food to pack? And I
was like, I hate you, I hate you. Why do
you need a session on snacking? That's what a plot
(50:25):
thing should be. They all go to a night where
someone says, you know, make sure that you have some fruit.
So wait, that was one of the study skills. Having
said that was on the agenda of the night where
they tell you what to do. It was like nutrition
and snack, okay for your exams. Seventeen year olds take
themselves far too seriously. Yeah, for people whom you want
(50:46):
to shake and say doesn't mean anything. No, you can't,
you can't, you can't and you've not shot Trey, so
you don't have real issues. No, you know what I mean?
Like at least they had. Marissa died in a car crash,
hectic issues just after she graduated, Seth adicted to wedicted.
You have little small scale issueses. Before we go, I
(51:09):
want to read you a laser girls story which you
know who would relate to laser girls stories, Adam Lady
lazy girls story from Jamie. When I was a teenager,
my boyfriend and I would often use a lamb line
to call my sister in the next roomover on her
Nokiat three sixty and ask her to make his pancakes.
We'd bribe her and tell her we'd give her pocket money.
(51:30):
Little did she know that while she was baking her
little heart out for us, I'd sneak into a room
and steal her own money and give it back to
her as payment. Lazy girls don't carry cash. I love it.
Lazy girls don't carry cash, needs to be on a team.
It does, it does. If we have cash, we stole
it from mum'sdraw. Okay, there's also something in there about
(51:56):
I think pancakes were an oddly prominent feature of Lazy
Girl's adolescents. Yes, particularly the one where you just started water.
You just do a bit of a shake and if
for them out, Yeah yeah, yeah, gotta wait till it
bubbles to you. We should make pancakes, plays of girl pancakes.
It's just our recipe. Yeah, love it. I did make
(52:17):
pancakes from Matilda the other day and I thought, oh,
takes me back, takes me back to being a teenage
lazy girl. That would be our oc is just making
pancakes at six pm on a Tuesday. Thank you so
much for joining us on this episode of Canceled. Before
you go, we thought we should let you know that
we make another podcast together. When we're not canceling celebrities.
(52:40):
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baby Bubble. One of our guests this season who had
me in absolute stitches was comedian Sammy Shark, and I
(53:01):
still think about his stories. He was so he wunny,
so funny. He has done some questionable things to feel
vindicated as a parent. He has a very funny story
about being on a plane and looking at a twenty
one year old and being like, you're not bloody tied, mate.
We'll put a link to the baby Bubble in our
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So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mumma
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that this podcast is recorded on Hello, but are you happy? Friends?
I'm your host, Claire Stevens, and you might not know
that I also host another podcast on the mum Man
network called Canceled. It's a comedy podcast where my sister
(00:32):
Jesse Stevens and I look at bizarre celebrity cancelations and
we give charges and sentences to them so we can
all move on with our lives. I wanted to share
with you one of my favorite episodes that we did
recently about the OC, a show that ran from two
thousand and three to two thousand and seven. If you're
a millennial, you grew up watching this show and you
(00:54):
were most likely completely obsessed with Ryan Atwood, who in
hindsight was like seventy five years old, Marissa Cooper, Summer Roberts,
and Seth Cohen. Seth was the best. He was funny
and quirky, and he is of course played by Adam Borough,
who is now the star of the Netflix show Nobody
Wants This, so we're kind of thinking about the OC again.
(01:17):
It is back in the zeitgeist. But it did have
some problematic but hilarious storylines, and it's what went on
when the actors weren't filming that is the most juicy
and most ridiculous. Enjoy this episode and if you do,
we release new episodes. Have canceled every single week, so
you can keep me in your ears until the next
(01:37):
season of But are You happy? Hello, and welcome to cancel.
The podcast looks at selly celebrity crimes and as science
charges and sentences to them so we can all move
on with our lives. I'm Kleos Stephens and I'm Jesse
(01:57):
Stevens and Jesse. Today we're talking about the OC. Welcome
to the OC, bitch, who are you? Whoever? You want
me to be? Ill? Ryan's gonna stay with us. Now,
what do you wip from me? Cohen? I'm show you.
(02:20):
This is one of those episodes where you go, oh,
this was twenty years ago. Does it feel urgent? And
the answer is yes, it does feel urgent because I
don't know if you're going to say this, but because
of what I might describe as the resurgence of one
Seth Cohen, and I don't mean Adam Brody. I mean
Seth Cohen, because Seth Cohen is Seth Cohen again in
(02:42):
a Netflix series called Nobody Wants This something like that, Yeah,
something like that. So I will tell you before you begin.
I will tell you my vibe. Oh, because you've watched
some I haven't watched anything. You never watched the OC. No,
the OC obviously this new show. No, I don't want
to talk about the new show. I want to about
the OCA. Oh, I know quickly, you've seen a few episodes.
(03:02):
If nobody wants this, No, Claire, I've watched fifteen minutes
and you vibe. I didn't love it. I didn't and
I'm alone in that. I don't know. Oh, I don't know.
And everyone else likes it, but I just wasn't. In
a low food or something, I'm gonna love it. I
quite like the Jewish storyline because she's a shitska, which
is what I am, which is when you are a
(03:22):
woman who is not Jewish with a man who is Jewish.
I think the Jewish stuff very fun, but anyway, it
wasn't for me. Now my ViBe's on the oct Okay Ryan,
forty nine year old Micha Button did seem twenty. I
remember being very young and seeing Mischa Barton's face and body.
I remember seeing her described as a coat hanger, that
(03:45):
she could wear anything, and I remember thinking, I wonder
if I'm a coat not a coat hanger. You're more
of a brick. Yeah. Yeah, just because he's short and
you know, things go out. Yeah, there's like shape. I
can't wear anything. My other recollections are Sandy Cohen's eyebrows
for play. Oh yeah, you know, massaging, you know, not nibbling.
(04:15):
Then that.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Look, here's the point. Just because you're ready to go,
it doesn't mean she is.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I'm always ready to go.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Oh you, my son. We Cohens are very sexual beings.
Viral get you disgusting.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Seth Con had a lovely home and it was nice
to hear housed Ryan and Rachel Bilson AKA. Someone wanted
to go to Brown. I think that's all I've got. Okay,
Brown is a university. Yes, and she did go, did she?
And then she got Actually I didn't include this. She
actually got expelled. Can you get expelled from university? Kicked
out of university for freeing lab rabbits? Love with her
(04:54):
friend Chris Pratt. It was her college friend. Yes, now, yes,
we should probably add that when you're at university you
had a labrat named cruder Yeah, Crutis Critis, Yeah, I
had a labrat and your mestage Crudis. Some things things
yet to turn around circle and Curtis never learned to think.
And that was because the incentive was food and Curtis
(05:15):
what wasn't food motivated? Crutis was a big boy, and
Crudis was, as my lecturer said, satiated. Ah, yeah, I
wasn't motivated. Okay, anyway, nobody wants this got me thinking
about the OC. Yeah. It aired from two thousand and
three until two thousand and seven, with four seasons and
ninety two episodes. Fantastic, and that was the beginning of
(05:38):
an iconic era of teen show great music, love time.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
We used to do with friends, Woods, make a deal
with God someday, Colas.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Oh dawning. I didn't realize that literally by the end
of the OC, the creators Slash showrunners were already working
on Gossip Like. It's the same creative and I feel
like the OC overlapped with Laguna Beach, which was geographically Yes,
it was the inspiration the first season of that They
were like, we need more debt here, specifically with hot people. Yeah,
(06:27):
and they did that and he was excellent. Oh we
should do an episode about Laguna Beach. Oh. The OC
centered around Ryan Atwood, who, as he mentioned, was meant
to be a teenager but was seventy five years old. No,
he was twenty three. He had oustereoporosis, so probably No.
He went straight from Seth Cohen's pool room to an
old age home. He did, No, he didn't. He was
(06:48):
only twenty. He is a troubled youth and his mother
kicks him out, and Sandy and Kirsten Cohen take him in.
They're rich and have a lone of sons, and Ryan
has to adapt from his life of violence and poverty
to this fancy one. But he learns even rich people
have their problems, which is a really important lesson chance.
(07:13):
I remember reading that their swimming pool was only ankle date.
Oh that's fun in real life, Like they couldn't actually
swim in it, which made me feel sad. I mean,
wasn't it order to set I guess I know. Not
the pool, not the pool? All right. Well, he falls
in love with Marissa, and he befriends Seth and that
first season was where most of your memories of the
(07:35):
OC come from. Oh.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Also, that wasn't exactly the way that I first planned
to talk to Summer, But I am now on a radar.
Do you think I should tell her about Tahiti? Do you?
That's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Let's see, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I wanted to make sure that we were on the
same page.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
The love triangle between Seth, Anna and Summer was fitting. Okay,
let meet you back upstairs, smokeler, Summer Anna sat Holly awkward.
This is weird. I want to explain everything to you.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I kissed you. I know, I kissed you were true.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I always knew you were a late Bloomerius sweety. Have
you not please?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Oh you don't want her to go? No? No? I
mean yes and yes, yes, Okay I was awkward with
her here.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Now finally she's gone.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Let me tell you something. The great music Anna, Yep,
all of that. It's simply was then in the Bad
Day film clip about that and she's good Day and
I was like, didn't she's with Seth I like her
short hair. No, she moved back to Pittsburgh. Anyway, It
(08:45):
simply went downhill from there. Jesse some fun facts quick cameos.
Chris Pratt, as aforementioned, he was in season four as
a college activist. Max Greenfield, who went on to play
Schmidt in New Girl, was a young Sandy Cohen in
a flashback. M Good casting Shylene Woodley. I was originally
(09:07):
Marie's younger sister. In season one. She went to boarding
school and when she came back, she was a different action.
I love when they think we won't notice. Olivia Wilde
originally auditioned to play Marissa, but then she went on
to play Alex, Marissa's love interest. Paris Hilton had a
cameo in season one and kiss Seth relax on your la.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Chicks are so late. We're not from lam Orange County,
Orange County.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
And but Heard had a cameo in season two. There
are many more. I could go on forever, but none
of that matters. I want to reunion. I want to
like it. Yeah, yeah, a reunion where they all hang out.
It's like they all say, I've seen some shit. Well
you'll want to reunion more after all. Right, what I'm
about to tell you My structure for today's follows inappropriate
(09:53):
relationships both on and off screen. Poor behavior on set
was Marissa The worst and most bizarre storylines inappropriate relationships
on screen. Julie Cooper, Marissa's mother, Wake Up Jimmy.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
The Sigreeds donated a pull and Field house their son
only small part.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Marissa shot someone. We've got to at least give them
an underground how she was annoying. She had like red hair,
and she had a problem. She had all sorts of problems.
She has a relationship with the ex boyfriend of her daughter, Luke.
I'd forgotten. Now it's accepted Luke is now big on TikTok.
He's big on TikTok and he was in Nashville. Yeah,
(10:37):
he does funny, funny tiktoks about having been on the OC. Anyway,
it's accepted in the OC that the kids are all
sixteen or seventeen, and Luke is in the same year
as everyone else at school. Therefore, Julie having sex with him,
which she does, would technically be stated true rape, but
it was more like a bit sexy yeah and a
(10:58):
bit naughty yeah. Instead, it's played off as drama and
it's all like this will destroy Marissa, and it's a
bit like how about Luke, how's Luke doing? Yeah, but
the writers did add a tiny detail to make the
relationship technically legal. Melinda Clark, who played Julie, told in
Style the kids are technically sixteen, but there's a scene
(11:22):
where Luke and Julie are having their rendezvous and in
the morning he's like, I don't want to be late
for home room. That's when you know things are fucked anyway,
and Julie goes, you have homeroom, right, because you're in
high school and you're only eighteen. They added that he
was eighteen, so the insinuation is he started school late
or got held back, which is believable when you knew
(11:42):
his character. Yes, but he is still not. Okay, you can't,
it's against the law. No, but it's not right. No,
but they were hot together, okay, okay. Well, Also, when
Marissa discovers the relationship, she hits Luke and tells him
to stay away from her before wishing him dead. And
then he leaves town and it's like he goes child,
(12:05):
he was preyed upon, prayed upon Mars who just goes
along wreaking havoc. It's honestly chaos. Then there was Marissa
and Ryan's relationship. I liked that no behind the scenes, oh,
(12:30):
because they were both playing teenagers. Yep. But Mischa Barton
was seventeen at the beginning of the show, and Bet
McKenzie was forty five. No, he wasn't he was twenty five. Okay,
that's fine, it's not when again, the age of consent
in California is eighteen. Yeah, but they weren't having real
sex on screen. They probably were because they were in
(12:52):
a relationship, were they Yeah, from the beginning of filming.
I'm sure they weren't having sex then because it was
against the law. Well, Mischa Barton has pretty much implied
that they were. Okay, so earlier this year she was
a guest John call her daddy. Yeah, yeah, and I
saw the clips and she said that her and Ben McKenzie,
we're in a relationship right from the beginning of filming,
(13:13):
she said, I mean it was kind of complicated for me.
I went into that a virgin, like a kid, like
really feeling like I needed to grow up quickly. That
was my first Okay, yep, it's like relationship or so,
what's the age of consent eighteen? Eighteen? And she was seventeen.
She said, I had no idea what I was doing.
She said she ended the relationship with him while the
(13:36):
two were still acting together on the show, and she said,
we just had to suck it up and get on
with it. But there was a lot of jabs behind
the scenes and off camera. I felt like that kind
of ostracized me as well, because there was a marked
difference in maturity level there. And she said she felt
not mature enough to continue the relationship and that it
was overwhelming. I find that a little bit problematic. It
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is seventeen and twenty five, and I know she'd been
in the industry and that sort of thing, but I
don't know, I feel a bit funny about it. She
was a ghost in the sixth sense. She was a
ghost when you know from she came who under the bed.
She was terrifying. She was absolutely terrifying. And now I
think we've talked about it before, every time I get
out of bed, I imagine Nicka Barton's there, She's gonna
(14:19):
grabbed my Ankle's pale because she's sick. Ghost, she's vomiting
because her mother's poisoning her. Yeah, poor behavior on that's
sixth sense. We didn't make that clear enough. Poor behavior
on set. When you have four very young stars become
famous very quickly, people start being to each other. Yes, okay,
(14:41):
Tate Donov not seth. Oh sorry, you'll see he was
the most sticky. No he was, No, he was. Tate
Donovan played Marissa's deadbeat dad, Jimmy, and he told Vulture
he found it difficult working with those stars while he
was directing an episode. He said, by the time I
started to direct, the kids on the show had developed
a really bad attitude. They just didn't want to be
(15:03):
doing the show anymore. It was pretty tough. They were
very tough to work with. The adults were all fantastic.
You know how it is with young actors. When you
achieve a certain amount of success, you want to be
doing something else. I mean, one of them turned to
me and said, this show is ruining my film career,
and he had never done a film before. Side note.
In a moment, I think it will become clear who
(15:24):
this was. The guy who played bad boy Voltchok. Do
you remember Voltchok? Yeah? Yeah, vaguely, yeah, really hot, really
very look up, Yeah no you should. His name's Cam Gigandett.
He told Elle magazine. The things that I remember now,
none of them are good. It was only the third
or fourth season. Those kids, I remember him. Oh he's
(15:47):
been in Twilight so hot. He said. Those kids were
fucking miserable. They could not remember their lines on purpose.
They were young. He said, Ben mackenzie was kind of
mean to me. I hadn't done anything at that point,
and he was a little bit of an ass. Then
he was asked about Mischa Barton, who played his on
screen love interest, and he said, was she there? I
don't even have memories of her now, But it would
(16:11):
seem that the person we really need to talk about
attitude wise is none other than Adam Brody. Yeah, that's right.
I'm big dork and I listen to email and I'm
dating her. I like you this much, and if you
don't feel the same way about me, then someone's gonna
have to give me a handdown, because it's really high
(16:33):
up here and I could fall and that would be embarrassing.
Just comes across as very likable. Do you think I've
been watching a few interviews and interviews. He's very he's giving,
he's giving. Blake Lively so different anyway. I mean, I
think just in terms of at least I don't know
the profession time. I guess I just don't look at
(16:56):
it through that lens. So I watched one interview and
he was fine. And he is married to Blair Waldorf,
which is what they describe as a millennial wet. Very true. Well,
at the end of last year, the cast and crew
(17:16):
opened up about the reality of the OC in a
book called Welcome to the OC, The Oral History Serious
creator Josh Schwartz was the first to admit everyone was
sick of the series by the time they got into
the third or fourth seasons. I'm interested in them being
sick of it. This is the make like Ben mackenzie, Yeah,
where you've been, where you've been, This is the heart
(17:38):
of your career. This is something that actors wait their
whole lives for. Just put your head down, be like
the Friends cast, and just hold on for the ride.
I wouldn't be wanting to jump off for the film
that isn't there yet for you to be in. Josh
Schwartz said, by the time we got to season three,
we were all burned out. We'd made so many episodes
so quickly, and I think it wasn't a happy set
(18:00):
for long stretches of it. Quite frankly, everybody was over
it by that point, and I was one of those
people who was over it. It had been a great ride,
but it had been a volatile ride. Executive producer Stephanie
Savage also noted the morale among the cast was very lackluster,
and said they had started to be a bit petulant,
with directors having an attitude reading a book during rehearsal
(18:23):
instead of paying attention that kind of thing. Melinda Clark,
who played Julie, said, we were very aware in season
you should in prison fictionally, fictionallytionally. We were very aware
in season three of how disliked the scripts were, especially
by the kids. They're calling them kids. I mean, we've
said it once, we'll say it again. Is on a pension, Yeah,
(18:50):
he's not a child. Well, Adam and Ben were like,
we're grown men and were playing in high school still.
Adam Brody has admitted that he stopped reading scripts after
a time You could tell well, with producers saying that
the scripts piled up outside his The director had to
(19:12):
have a conversation with him about being more invested in
the job that you're getting paid a lot of money
to do. He was so disinterested the writers had to
come up with a plot to explain why his performance
was so poor. Josh Schwartz said, Brody just changed his delivery,
his investment in it. Hang on, if I'm remembering this correctly,
(19:34):
Like he became so vague and disinterested that someone was like,
are you going to fight for me? And he was like,
am not really well? His style shifted to such a
degree that we felt like we needed to account for
it creatively. Josh Schwartz said, that's where Caitlin gets seth
hooked on pot a group, we were like, how do
(19:55):
we explain his lethargy on lesgy And at least if
we can write that he's stoned, then we're not trying
to write around it. They literally had to make him
have a weed problem to explain why he knows longest speak.
He has not read the script. No. Adam Brody has
(20:16):
said I was polite to everyone. I liked the directors,
the crew and I got on really well. I didn't
keep people waiting, okay, would do you read the script's? Mate?
I would never scream or yell at anyone. No, no,
one's accusing you of screaming or yelling say anything fucking mean.
But I think I very much let my distaste for
(20:37):
the later episodes be known. I didn't mask that at all,
and I'm sure I openly mocked it a bit. So
I'm not proud of that. Okay. In his defense and
actually the defense of all of the cast, like at
a young age, he was seth fucking Cohen. Oh must
have been awful. No, I think that that just gives
you an ego. Oh yeah, like every girl was in
(21:00):
love with him. He has just skyrocketed to fame out
of nowhere. This all sounds like ego. Yes, well, he said,
I started to be creatively less interested. I aim myself
for a lack of professionalism and a disrespect to the work.
In terms of engagement as a whole, I'll just say
that they are different shows season one and the later seasons.
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Had the quality been the quality of season one, I'm
sure I would have been a lot more engaged. Chicken
or Egg, Adam Chicken of it and my engagement went
hand in hand. Chicken or Egg, I had to write
you as a stoner because you gave them nothing. In
his defense, that is the general consensus that the first
(21:45):
season was lightning in a bottle and they simply could
not recreate it. Things got weirder and weirder. And this
is the thing about television, right. We've been doing a
bit of television writing, and what they always say is
you write the kind of story arc for season one,
and they always say, all right, where do we go
to season two? And sometimes you want to say, I
don't think this is a multiple seasons. I think this
(22:07):
is a single story. It's like when you write a book,
see're writing a series, it's like I'm thinking I'll just
wrap it up at the end and have a holiday
and have a sleep. But with television, it's like, if
it works, if there's a proof of concept. I think
we ought they're like but more, but more, and you're like,
they're just they're just the still at school, the OC
and it's like we feel like we kind of covered
(22:28):
that in the first Yeah, Now, like, will they won't they?
That was what season one was. Season two, will they won't? Well,
I'm less invested season two. Marissa, God, the guys, come on,
we got up the stakes. Too many people are getting
Seth is addicted to Pott. Yeah, Okay, we can see that. Okay.
(22:50):
Adam Brodie said it became a bit of a game
for him to figure out what the main storylines of
the show were by only reading his scenes, which he
was not proud of. That's actually hilarious turning up to
set only create your thing. You'd be really in the moment. Yeah,
(23:12):
you'd be like, technically, like what's happening with It's a
surprise to Brian. It's quite meta really because it's like, well,
I don't know what's happening in scenes that I'm not
present in. Yeah, exactly, that's the real Seth Cohen. I
should only know what Seth knows. Yeah. Yeah, And if
this feels tone death and this is why he's had
a long and fruitful career, yeah maybe. Well he told
(23:35):
people at the time that he would only read the
pages he was shooting each day, like that's all he
would read. So he didn't I love it. Yeah. Adam
Brody was famously dating Rachel Bilson at the time. Okay,
I remember that, And you might say, did he date
the same person twice? Because Rachel Bilson is the same
(23:55):
person as Leyden Maister. Yes, yeah, they are the same
in that they are brunette and dated Adam Broudience. Anyway,
apparently his behavior put her in an awkward position. Poem,
what palmy wish I was a You remember that? I
was like sixth grade. Haven't we all been there? Yeah,
(24:16):
when your bloody boyfriend is Yeah, he won't do his work,
smoker too much wait on set and off set Anyway,
she said, you want to be supportive of the person
you're with. But also I'm a firm believer in always
being grateful and gratitude comes first. I think there were
probably times where that went by the wayside. You grow up,
(24:39):
you look back and you can realize when you're young
you might behave in certain ways you wish you hadn't.
So clearly she was like, dude, read this scene. Can
you read that scrouped outside your trailer instead of that
strange book? Come on, it's disrespectful to everyone. Josh Schwartz
now says he wishes that he had got everyone together
(25:03):
and had a big like come to Jesus meeting where
he was like, guys, let's talk about how the show
has lost its way. Oh right, yeah, and he reckons
it would have helped the cast feel heard and they
also might have got some good ideas, yeah, because they
were stuck on ideas. Yeah, they were clearly stuck. And
I always wonder with this. We were saying, sometimes you
don't know if you've got enough steam for other series,
(25:25):
but you do wonder. It's coc you'd think they had
some of the best writers.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I know.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
There were really arbitrary things, like they'd be told you
need another adults, like they call them kids and adults.
I don't know why you need another adult to have
a prominent storyline in this season. So there was season
two or three where I feel like Sandy care about
cheating on each other. Yeah, I was invested in Sandy
(25:51):
and it's like no one cares about them. Mischa Button's
face up close. Yeah, it's not that complicated. Nice music, yeah,
Newyear's Eve, Ryan Arrive, b Roll b Roll of Orange County. Yeah,
not that hard and some fun music. In other gossips,
Mischa Barton and Rachel Bilson didn't really get along. Two
thousand and four interview with Elle Button made a very
(26:13):
odd comment about Bilson. She said she's way more overtly
sexual than I am. She is so botite, and I'm
so tall and lanky, I think I'd be scared of
having her voluptuousness. I like being understatedly sexy. Oh okay,
so you're calling her a slut, but we've got we've
(26:34):
got the Madonna hare yeah complex. And what you've done
if you've called Bilton a hall yeah yeah, She's like,
I'm really thin, and therefore I'm sexy in a better way.
What you'll notice is I am very thin. Rachel Bilson's
a slut and Scott a tits out, which I think
is unseemly and undignified. I personally cover myself and you'll
(26:56):
realize I'm sexy in a more demure way.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Very demure, very mindful.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Mission button than In twenty twenty one, when asked what
prompted her decision to leave the series at the end
of season three, Barton gave an interview with E did
it keep going after Barton left? Where there's a whole season? Okay,
all right? That hinted that Bilson being cast as a
series regular played a part. It had a lot to
do with them adding Bilson in last minute as after
(27:24):
the first season a series regular and evening out everybody's pay.
So she's basically saying I was meant to be the lead. Yeah,
and then they got Summer, like Summer had more of
a role. I felt like Rachel Bilson did go to
Brown for a bit. No, I was in season four. Yeah,
but I think she like disappeared. Yeah. Well it's like
I followed, okay, but there was a lot of following
(27:46):
septh Cohen around that house. Didn't he get on a boat?
Who got on a boat? And that was the end
of season one? That was early right, Okay, maybe we
didn't follow them on the boat. No. Bilson responded on
a podcast saying that's misinformation. Where is she going with
this and what is she trying to say? I would
(28:07):
actually like to talk to her and find out what
her experience was from her perspective, because I saw things
a little differently. So she's clearly like, why is mister
Barton hate me? Will have him here if they want
to have a chat, I will get you off the mic. Yeah, say, ladies,
sit down. This is not the format of this podcast.
In fact, we're not even recording it. This is just
(28:31):
for me. Claires. Just don't mind her. She's in the corner. Yeah,
she's listening. I'm salivating. She's salivating. And what we're gonna
ask is who here is the bitch bo that's fun
on gall Her Daddy Barton said, it's typical that in
these sets, not everybody is going to get along. There
are going to be clashes, there's going to be people
(28:52):
who create rumors and make stuff up. I think I
was very sensitive to that because I was so young.
It felt like high school but in the real world
and very elevated and very magnified. I was looking at
some stuff recently about pretty little liars and they always
say not everyone's gonna get along, and I'm like, so
there was fucking gossips. Okay, what I hear is what
(29:13):
I'm hearing. And when people say not everyone's going to
get along, it's like, who are you bullying? Who? Who
specifically bullying? I remember in year nine they do I
think people mostly get along in a workplace. If they don't,
there are issues that should be addressed. But I remember
in year nine they did like a religion day or whatever,
and they did a big thing on rumors of damaging
(29:33):
Do you remember that? Yeah? Yeah, that was very very vague,
and I was a quick question, what rumors may you
share them? So that I understand that they're damaging. But
I was thinking that maybe if all of us could
share one rumor and we could kind of play with
that and talk about how they're damaging because I heard
that she's given a hand job. That's all I'm saying.
(29:55):
It's very like actors to say that not everyone gets along.
You can't imagine like a group of people in a
writer's room and then someone coming out of the writer's
room and saying, not everyone gets along, not everyone's going
to get home. I'm boring, You're boring. There's less ego,
like go into a staff room like there's eccentric. There's
(30:16):
imagine a teacher, a teacher being like not everyone guest long,
like you're busy doing your job. Yeah, everyone's too busy
to be playing into this drama. But then Barton appeared
on Bilson's podcast, which is like a rewatch of the
OC podcast. Yeah with Julie. Julie's has a lot to say.
(30:37):
I guess Julie has she done much, She's done the podcast? Okay, Anyway,
Barton appeared on that it's called Welcome to the OC,
and so I reckon they've made up all right? Love that? Yeah,
so they already they stole our ideas. No more, no
more rumors, I guess, no more rumors. But we could
find out what the rumors were at the time. Yeah,
(31:06):
was Marissa the worst? I don't even know what to say.
We did find share the Wow, I'll see if you're
right on the first Wilm we could start smoking wed
Luck Coop kidding kind of Wait stop, I'm sorry, but
I can't do this. I have to go what you
weren't even gonna try and start me? You were so
(31:32):
don't got that money, Jesse online. There's a weird level
of animosity towards Marissa Cooper. That's the same with Carrie Bradshaw.
It's like, yeah, characters complicated at Fardy, that's why you
watched it. Yes, it is one of those times where
people have to remember it was just a TV show
and Marissa wasn't real. She was just a character. This
(31:54):
is from a Bustle article. You see Marissa Cooper, played
by the monotone voiced Barton, is one of the worst
TV characters to ever grace the Medium. She's whiny and annoying, selfish,
and narcissistic. From the moment she first appears on screen,
creepily oggling Ryan until he offers her a cigarette. Her
entire purpose is to make things more difficult for the
(32:14):
teens of Newport than they need to be. She starts fights,
breaks up relationships, forces her friends to literally save her
life several times, doing absolutely nothing in return, except in
capital letters, ruin their lives. The author writes about got
carried away, constant near death experiences. It's gold plot. She writes,
(32:38):
almost dying in Tijuana, almost dying with Oliver, almost dying
with Trey. All right, that one wasn't her fault. Okay,
what we need you to do? Almost to stop watching
the Oh yeah, okay, put it down. Put it down.
That's actually it's not even being made anymore. So you
just got to move on. Marissa couldn't go a couple
of months without nearly getting killed, and every time she
(33:00):
came close to biting it, her friends had to be
the ones who saved, and when she actually died in
the third season, spoiler goes bull Chuck, the creepy guy
she's been hanging out with, rammed into Ryan's cart and
ruined his life too. Even in death, Maurissa couldn't help
but make things difficult for everyone around her. Okay, you
(33:22):
need to see a therapist, because you don't get to
be mad at someone when they've died. That way, She's like,
dying was freaking annoying and selfish. And there are so
many shows where like the main character is a serial
killer and I would argue that they yus for example. Worse.
She also talks about when Marissa made Ryan's life terrible
(33:43):
after moving to Newport. The only thing Ryan needed in
his life was stability and real baby, the crazy, unlikable
and totally unappreciative girl next door. Over the course there
again off again relationship, Marissa did everything in her power
(34:05):
to make Ryan's life mising. No, you need to speak
to the site. When she died, she sent him on
a downward spiral that ended with cage fighting. What dear
Ryan of the OC pilot shut ah, see that girl
standing there weirdly staring at you. Don't talk to her.
(34:27):
In fact, get as far away from her as you can,
trust me could Okay, you need to chill. You need
to Marissa to die as she was needed. The chaos
was necessary to the story to move Ryan also a character.
(34:49):
Ryan didn't need stability all right, Ryan needed plot Ryan
needed plot in order to sustain the series. Okay, and
Ryan doesn't need your protection because Ryan isn't real. Okay.
The most bizarre storylines Marissa and Alex. Don't let her
talk me to stay the name. You can't. You have
(35:11):
to take me home. In season two, we have a
same sex relationship which perpetua, which was fun, precisely every
stereotype biosexuality. Alex is played by Livia Wilde, and she
dates both Seth Cohen and Marissa Cooper love because bi
sexual people date everyone in discris duplicitous. Yes, you can't
(35:31):
trust him exactly. That was very much the line that
they were trying to push in sort of the early
two thousands was bisexual people. They were like, because that bisexuality,
it exists. We're not saying it doesn't exist. We're saying saying,
make up your mind, is what we're saying, because otherwise
they'll take the boys and the girls. And then what
(35:52):
they were saying, it's manipulative. It's manipulative, and yet you
can't trust him, and that's just not true. Alex was
a bad girl, and bisexuality obviously goes hand in hand
with being bad. Rebelliousness yes, but there was a lot
of trivialization around same sex relationships curse and literally says,
I'm sure it's just a phase about Marissa being with Alex,
(36:15):
and when Seth finds out that Alex stated a woman
before him, he says she needs to be reminded that
testosterone was missing in her last relationship. Cool. I think
it is reflective of the world in which this show
was created, which was those sorts of awful things were
being said behind closed doors within families all the time. Yeah,
(36:36):
Summer versus Anna. In season one, Seth goes from having
no friends to having two girls pining after him, one
who he likes for her personality, Anna, and the other
he likes because she's hot Summer. Who does he choose
the whole one? Summer? Yeah? Cool, even though she's there's
a moral in that. I remember thinking there was some
(36:57):
strange morals. I didn't like it. I thought it would
be nice if you Joe's Anna, but we all knew
it was never going to Yeah. I think that they
dangled the two in front of him to try and
keep him interested because he wasn't reading the scripts, so
they were like pretty thir No, he was a pretty
sick season one. Oh okay, and they're like every man
must make a choice between a blonde and a brunette.
(37:18):
Not usually true. And if you have brown hair, you
will choose the brunette. If you are blonde, like forty
five year old right over here, you will choose bl blonde.
The blonde is with the blonde. We don't cross pollinate.
Yah yack ya. And you also must choose between hot, rebellious,
kind of off the rails and like mean and like
(37:40):
mean and nice and nice is boring and dark. For plot,
Ryan punching people Jesse. Ryan often beats someone up in
the third act of the episode. And it's a conflict,
it's a complication, I understand. Yeah. Narratively, the tension had
to rise, and then he'd often throw a punch, just
as Seth gave a quirky one liner. But it went
(38:02):
to a whole new level after Marissa died, which we'll
get to where Ryan decided to take up a cage
fighting career. There's a scene what is cage fighting? Oh,
you're in a cage and you're fighting. It's like professional fighting.
But it's like he has tried to, like, you know,
take the bad boy out of himself. But he's like,
I guess I'll just get beaten up. And so he
(38:24):
does this cage fight where he just gets beaten up
and lets himself be beaten up. I guess because he's grieving. Okay,
but then men are weird. But men are weird. But
then he turns around and wins but doesn't collect his winnings,
and it's like too many plot points. This is a
weird trajectory for Ryan. Yeah, the man needs to get
(38:46):
out of the cage, get a job. He's actually quite
clever in the show. I forgot that he's quite good
at school. He should focus on that. Put your head down, yep, yep.
Needs to go to college. Stop throwing punches, yep. Marissa's death.
Unless you are a Game of Thrones, you simply cannot
kill off a main character and expect the show to
thrive in season I don't think they expected. Season three,
(39:11):
things are finally looking better for her. They've all graduated.
She's about to go to Greece to work on a boat,
and Ryan is driving her to the airport. Then she's
killed in a car accident caused by vulture. Ryan carries
(39:44):
her out of the burning car while Halloween play Jesse,
did you rewatch this? Yeah? I will always find that
profoundly moving. It's the flashback, so she's dying, she still
looks so pretty lucky. She has like a tiny bit
of body, some would say pretty ear because she's just
(40:07):
so still and beautiful and you can scare at her
and she's not moving. Yeah, and then there's a flashback
to like Ryan driving away from and she's standing on
the street, and it's just it honestly makes me feel
quite sick with emotion. I think they did something there.
They did, Yeah, but I will say it is bizarre
for her to die and then expect the story. Didn't
(40:29):
she just want to get off the show? Yeah? But
then the story they should have ended the series. Well,
they should have ended the series after season one. Yeah,
and this is why the series needed to end when
Marissa died. Okay, because then in season four we had
an alternate universe plot. What, No, we didn't, No, he didn't.
So Ryan is in a relationship joking about the cage fighting. No, well,
(40:52):
I mean the cage fighting isn't in the alternate universe,
But where's that that just happens in season four? Okay? Anyway,
Ryan is in a relationship with Taylor. Who's Taylor, you'd
know her face. She goes to the school. Okay, but
they both fall off a ladder. How long are they
at school? Like I feel like they were nearly done
in season one in four, like they knew each other
from school. Ok. But like some of the others are
(41:14):
at college, they both fall off a ladder and into together. Yeah,
they're both on the ladder. Well yeah, and they're going
to fall off in a coma. And in that coma
they enter an alternate universe where Ryan never moved to
Newport Beach for some reason. As I said, both Ryan
(41:37):
and Taylor are in the alternate universe together. Yeah, that's
what happens. Actually, I've heard with comas is that if
you have a coma and someone you know a coma,
then it's like a shit jo. It's like if you're
playing like a video game on Xbox and then someone
else logs in, kind of like that. Taylor goes to
Marissa's bedroom in the alternate universe, and the maid says MS.
(41:58):
Cooper's plane arrives at three o'clock from Berkeley, which is
where Marissa wanted to go. So Taylor believes Marissa is
still alive in this alternate universe, and she tells Ryan,
but she doesn't want him to go to the airport
because she's worried that he'll be like, oh my god,
Marissa's here, and then he won't ever want to leave
the alternate universe. At the air I'm moved. I have
(42:20):
a little bit more. At the airport, Ryan grabs the
shoulder of a girl he thinks is Marissa, but Marissa
said she wouldn't do season four. It's actually Marissa's younger sister, Caitlin,
otherwise known as Shalene, would lee. Only at the beginning,
she explains that her sister died three years ago of
(42:40):
an overdose in Tijuana, So basically it's like she would
have done I got mumps. She would have died in Tijuana. Yeah,
which was like before a lot of stuff happened. Oh,
because I think Ryan rescued it from Tijuana. Anyway, everyone
else's lives are different. But I guess what you learn
(43:00):
is that you really need to make up alternate universes
when you kill off, when you run out, does he
come out of the coma Yeah, together with Taylor. Yeah,
He's like ever talk about it. Yeah, but it's like,
I guess he's at peace knowing she would have died anyway. Cool.
I don't know. There's a lot of stuff that like
doesn't have. Like, there's some sad stuff. There's a guy
(43:21):
Johnny who falls off a cliff. He doesn't fall off
the cliff if Ryan doesn't come. Okay. Yeah, anyway, when
Marissa shot Trey, this is such a complicated storyline. Who's
Tray again? Who played him? He's Ryan's brother, you know
his face? Okay, But he gets out of jail and
he comes to the OC and he ends up sexually
assaulting Marissa. When Ryan finds out, he goes to Trey's
(43:44):
place to confront him and they're fighting. Trey is about
to he like grabs like a landline phone which damn
bad a brick yep, and goes to hit him, but
Marissa grabs the gun and shoots him and Jesse, can
you read this T shirt? I still think about when
(44:04):
Marissa shot Trey to save Ryan while Imagen heats Hide
and Seek played on the OC season two for nine.
Please love it. It's that's where you see. It's like
what you say, and it's all of a sudden slow
(44:26):
motion and Tray's the bullet goes from his back to
his front and the blood starts pouring out, and you're like,
just killed Tray. Yeah, but it does say in small text,
I downloaded an MP three of the song the next day. Yeah,
I think we downloaded from Lime Wire. Yes, So that
was the season two finale. Beginning of season three, Tray's alive.
(44:48):
He survived. He was in a goma obviously, and Marissa
is now like facing legal consequences, you know what I mean,
Like Trey just needed to die. Yeah, he did need
to die, but I guess contractually he was meant to
be another season. Yeah, I guess, so, bar Jesse, it's
(45:12):
time for charges and sentences. My charge, my biggest charge
in all of this is that these young stars, they thought,
well when I say they are mostly been Adam Brody
and a little bit Ben Mackenzie, thought they could do
(45:32):
better than the writers. And what they weren't experiencing was say,
pressure from the network, feed back from producers, all sorts
of things about what you had to do, what you
couldn't do, who needed more time? And I just think
the arrogance of being yes, forty seven years old. No, No,
(45:54):
he wasn't. Ben McKenzie was not forty seven. Yeah he
was by the end, he was. He wasn't thirty yet.
But the arrogance of thinking like looking down on the
writers and not reading the scripts. Honestly, you have a
go Adam Brady and you're high. Yeah on screen, but
(46:16):
looks like you also are in your trailer my sentence.
A reboot. You know we're rebooting everything, aren't we. Yeah?
Remember they bloody rebooted the four House. They rebooted everything
for a minute. None of them worked and they never
did it again. But go on. I really hate the
term reboot me too. I don't like it. No, it
doesn't work anyway. Yeah, So a reboot written exclusively by
(46:38):
Adam Brady? Has he written since? I don't think so,
but I want him It would be very quippi. I
think he's in his tw forties now, yeah, and I
want him to sit down. And he's had a lot
of experience. He was in Jennifer's body and did it.
It's the one with Megan Fox. Never heard of it.
(46:59):
It's actually really good. I've seen a lot of clips
of it on TikTok. He was in Mister and Missus Smith.
He was in promising young women. He's had the most
successful career of any of them. Yeah, what's Sandy been in? Oh?
I haven't seen him? Yeah? Originally she's just on podcasts
she is. Anyway, you want Adam to write a series,
it would be successful to write a season and just reboot.
(47:22):
I want to know where are we all? Now? Where
are we? Because none of us are together? Marissa's dead,
Maris is dead. Do you reckon she comes back? Okay,
this is what he should do, a reboot? But what
you do is you were raise No, no, no, you
were raise seasons two, three, and four, because you can go.
This is a reboot, brogending that we just have season one,
(47:46):
which I think was like twenty seven to twenty eight episodes.
It's actually not about idea season one yep, time jump
twenty years and now where are they? Marissa's still alive
accident is sitting Ryan and his care facility? Aren't we
we are? We are all right, my charge. I remember
watching this and feeling so ugly. Oh gosh. I remember
(48:10):
studying Mischa Button's face, the simplicity of it, and being like,
why is my face so complicated? It has remembered many parts. Yeah, yeah,
like there's so much wrong with it. And I remember
looking at Marissa and there was one episode where she
wore a boobtube look great and strapless, had great little
boney shoulders and pearls, and I found myself going to
(48:33):
a beach party. Oh no, and I did wear pearls
to the beach. And I think back to that and
I think, no, no, pearls should never be in a
situation where they get sandy. They were pearls, but you
know when they were like colored beads. Oh no, colored
beads with a lovely burnt orange boob tube. And I
was like, I am mischa, button, don't get me mixed up.
(48:58):
No one, No one did. She would have said, she
would have said, you're too voluptuous, and she's more understated. Unfortunately,
you are right. My sentence is that it was just
never made with the right people. Because seventeen year olds
are disgusting. I'll hear me out. Seventeen year olds are acne, greasy.
(49:22):
They all have hormonal acne. Because I don't know what's
going on yet. You've probably not got your braces off.
You're making bad fashion decisions. Yep. You're incraimating with fake tan. Yeah.
And here's the other thing. I've been spending a lot
of time at my local library, and that is where
HS students hang out. Yeah, and there is no one,
(49:42):
no offense, anything more insufferable. And so it needs to
be like these teenagers that oscillate from like, oh, we're
so cool, let's go to a party, and then and
then being I think that the maths teachers really didn't
mark that fair. We need more of a build, need
more of it. I saw a thing this is totally unrelated.
(50:03):
I saw a thing at the library, a little poster
I nearly took a photo for you because I thought
it would upset you that said we're having a night
for everyone doing the HC. Come, We're going to talk
about study skills. And I was like, study skills, great,
And then it said what food to pack? And I
was like, I hate you, I hate you. Why do
you need a session on snacking? That's what a plot
(50:25):
thing should be. They all go to a night where
someone says, you know, make sure that you have some fruit.
So wait, that was one of the study skills. Having
said that was on the agenda of the night where
they tell you what to do. It was like nutrition
and snack, okay for your exams. Seventeen year olds take
themselves far too seriously. Yeah, for people whom you want
(50:46):
to shake and say doesn't mean anything. No, you can't,
you can't, you can't and you've not shot Trey, so
you don't have real issues. No, you know what I mean?
Like at least they had. Marissa died in a car crash,
hectic issues just after she graduated, Seth adicted to wedicted.
You have little small scale issueses. Before we go, I
(51:09):
want to read you a laser girls story which you
know who would relate to laser girls stories, Adam Lady
lazy girls story from Jamie. When I was a teenager,
my boyfriend and I would often use a lamb line
to call my sister in the next roomover on her
Nokiat three sixty and ask her to make his pancakes.
We'd bribe her and tell her we'd give her pocket money.
(51:30):
Little did she know that while she was baking her
little heart out for us, I'd sneak into a room
and steal her own money and give it back to
her as payment. Lazy girls don't carry cash. I love it.
Lazy girls don't carry cash, needs to be on a team.
It does, it does. If we have cash, we stole
it from mum'sdraw. Okay, there's also something in there about
(51:56):
I think pancakes were an oddly prominent feature of Lazy
Girl's adolescents. Yes, particularly the one where you just started water.
You just do a bit of a shake and if
for them out, Yeah yeah, yeah, gotta wait till it
bubbles to you. We should make pancakes, plays of girl pancakes.
It's just our recipe. Yeah, love it. I did make
(52:17):
pancakes from Matilda the other day and I thought, oh,
takes me back, takes me back to being a teenage
lazy girl. That would be our oc is just making
pancakes at six pm on a Tuesday. Thank you so
much for joining us on this episode of Canceled. Before
you go, we thought we should let you know that
we make another podcast together. When we're not canceling celebrities.
(52:40):
We're trying to cancel parenting. If you two want to
laugh at the weird shit your baby has done, or
maybe more realistically, the weird shit you have done as
a parent, then might we suggest you check out the
baby Bubble. One of our guests this season who had
me in absolute stitches was comedian Sammy Shark, and I
(53:01):
still think about his stories. He was so he wunny,
so funny. He has done some questionable things to feel
vindicated as a parent. He has a very funny story
about being on a plane and looking at a twenty
one year old and being like, you're not bloody tied, mate.
We'll put a link to the baby Bubble in our
show notes. The producer of Canceled is Kimberly Bradish and
the audio producer of Canceled is Leah Porges. For more
(53:25):
from us, you can follow us at the Twins Underscore
Thoughts on Instagram. We would love to see you there
and if you feel like it, if you've got two minutes,
Laser Girls, don't but screw it, leave us five star review.
We would love that. We'll be back next week. Bye,
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