August 19, 2024 • 38 mins
Like her outfits there's always something outrageous surrounding pop icon and actress Lady Gaga... So welcome to the Cancelled courtroom Gaga "ooh na na".
From the iconic but reportedly very stinky meat dress, to her questionable Italian accent in House of Gucci and that time she paid someone to vomit on her we unpack the life and crimes of Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta. And, let's not forget that big fight with Madonna and her recent attempt at impressing the French Prime Minister.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mom and Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and
waters that this podcast is recorded on Hello, and welcome
to canceled the podcast that looks at silly celebrity crimes
and as science charges and sentences to them so that
(00:36):
we can all move on with our lives. My name
is Jesse Stevens and I'm joined by Claire Stephens. And Claire,
do you have a lazy girl story for us today? Well?
What I have and this is a bit of a
new genre of lazy girl story. It's actually lazy girl
in the news. Oh so like a headline that I
might lazy girl. Okay, we got sent This woman runs
(00:59):
through active shooting without realizing due to her noise canceling AirPods.
She's a lazy girl. That's very lazy girl. That is
what not the running Oh no, sorry, being unaware of surroundings,
being incredibly unaware of what is going on around you.
The other thing I'd say is sometimes airpod's not that lazy.
So I went to use my airpod's day to listen
(01:21):
to a podcast right ere zero percent, So I go, hmm, okay,
and then I'm just listening to a podcast out loud
on the street. Yeah, I'm often doing that. It's like
I've already charged this once and you're asking me to
charge it again constantly and how yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
where you tell me where my charger is because I
don't got to speak.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
You are about to enter the canceled courtroom. The defendants
are celebrities, the chargers are petty, the rulings are final.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Today we're talking about Stephanie Joanne Angelina german Otta, the
thirty eight year old singer, songwriter and actress best known
There's Lady Gaga. Gaga ulana parla la la raha.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Roma roma la.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
La lamas.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
I can't read.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
If you could do something dangerous just for once, with
new risk, what would you do die?
Speaker 4 (02:34):
I mean, I have an interesting mind, but I want
to smell like a slut, to be totally honest.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Born in nineteen eighty six, Gaga grew up on I
know it's Gaga, but it's so really to say it's
Lady Gagar. It's Lady Gaga. She grew up on the
Upper West Side of Manhattan, the connotations of which I
don't fully understand, but she describes herself as having been
upper middle class, which I am interpreting as rich. Yeah.
I think that's what rich people say, because I don't
(03:02):
think you're allowed to self identify as rich or elite,
Like I grew up really fucking wealthy. I don't think
you're allowed to say that you might be like upper
middle class. She started playing the piano at four when
her mum insisted she become a cultured young woman. Claire,
what will you suggest your daughter do it for to
become a cultured young woman? Because I was sinking a
(03:24):
familiar which I can't pronounce, but it's wine. Well, I'm like, well,
I want my daughter to play an instrument. Yeah, so
I have this. I can only describe it as a thing.
It looks like a piano, but it's bright colors and
when you press a button, it does a whole song. Oh,
(03:44):
she's playing piano. It drives us nuts. This is why
we're getting dumber as a species. Yeah, because you don't
have to play, You just have to. She thinks she's
playing piano. Yeah, she's never gonna be Stephanie Joeann and
Angelina Jemanntal never. In recent weeks, Gaga has been in
the headlines. Yeah, she's in Paris. Yeah, she performed. There
(04:07):
were some criticisms of the performance. I think it was
apposolutely fine. I quite enjoyed it. One of her dances
fell aheah looked, she looked painful. She couldn't do anything
about it. Not her fault, not cancelable. But what did
happen is that she was speaking to the Prime Minister
and she said this is my fiance, right, and they
were filming it, and then that video came out and
(04:29):
it circulated, and the issue with that is that no
one knew that she was engaged. So look, there's been
some accusations that she pulled focus. This is meant to
be about the athletes and the excellence and why am
I talking about Lady Gagar's engagement?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
And I also think because she's talked about her performance
and she's been like, I went so deep on like
French culture and like dancing and blah blah blah. Was
fiance about practicing our French? Mmm? She didn't say this
is my fiance. She said this my film. So did
she actually no, Oh, I'm taking a piss Oh okay, okay,
(05:07):
she didn't say this is my fiance she said this
is okay, but she also didn't say this is the
man I'm engaged in. She said fiancee. Yeah, And if
I was talking to the French Prime Minister, I'd say, oh,
(05:28):
gen Mapela como suber Austrabian, which I was recently in
France and asked a French person if that was an
adequate way to have a conversation, and they were horrified, confused.
She got into the music industry and she was singing
(05:50):
a reference vocal for Akon, who was like, whoa, she's good,
and he convinced he's producer to sign her, which begs
a question, whatever happened to Akon? Okay, okay, yes, begs
that question. I'm so lonely, mister lonely, you know, I
(06:10):
wondered that. But also that's very A star is born,
it is, isn't it. There are a few founding stories
of Lady Gaga and they all conflict. It was two
thousand and eight and she was twenty two when Just
Dance and Poker Face dropped, which went number one everywhere,
but especially in Australia. Australia is always old in the
(06:34):
cultural precipice. We are the basic bitch of the culture.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, we need art to be simple.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah. Yeah. People Australia loves disproportionately Michael Boublay Yeah, pink, Yeah, exactly.
It's like if the culture broadly accept something, it's number
one in Australia. We got hard on it because we're like,
we like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we like Lady Gaga.
Since then, she has won thirteen Grammys, two Golden Globe Awards,
eighteen MTV Video Awards, and a net worth, according to
(07:03):
an unverified website that looks AI generated and completely made up,
is allegedly three hundred million. Can you find your net worth? One? Yeah,
what's your network? And it said I swear it was
like five million? Was like that not actually all? Do
you respect? Where? Where? And also like, how do you
get access to other people's net worth? I guess and
(07:26):
I don't think you're a person. I think your ar
Before we begin, you have seen House of Gucci, which
I have been exclusively referring to as that Fasachi film
I have not. Can you please enter the vibe into
the courtroom of House of Gucci.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
I have been Gucci in my life.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
It is an empire.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
You can help the family, which is not exciting, and
everybody knows it.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
At least it's my name is Sweete, our name Sweetie.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
It looks good by the trailer. I watched the trailer
and I was like, this looks actually good. This is
the thing. This got torn apart for everyone's accent, but
most of all, Lady Gaga.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I find it's so interesting that you have such a
strong connection to that which is.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Not yours and I all four tearing apart in accent.
Some would say it's all we do in this courtroom.
You play someone silly accent from a movie and make
part of it. But I thought that movie was excellent.
I thought Gaga was outstanding. You love Gargar's acting because
you also liked'ring the Stars. I just think she's very,
very talented. And I watched that movie and I went, well,
(08:30):
I'm taking this very seriously. It's very very good. And
I didn't know where it was going, and everyone had
Italian accents, and that's the thing. I don't know the
story of the House of Gucci No No, but she
was very like Italian, very Italian, and I think she
is itally she is her parents. I think we're like
Italian immigrants or something. And I like she plays quite
(08:52):
a not unlikable, but not like quite a spirited woman, okay.
And I thought she was brilliant, so I thought it
was weird that everybody made fun of it. I think
there are funner things to make fun Okay, I have
some of them here today. My structure for today is
follows meat dress, vomit on stage, endless feuds and awkward
(09:16):
David Bowie tribute, and finally the covid kerfuffle, no meat dress.
It's September twenty ten, and Lady Gaga is It's at
the MTV Video Music Awards. She was the most nominated artist.
She arrived in a normal dress with shoes, but then
she got changed. She wore the meat dress to accept
her Video of the Year trophy for Bad Romance.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I never thought I'd be asking share to hold my
meat purse.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
I was so nervous for tonight that I would let
my fans down.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
I love you so much.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Thank you to my family and Troy and Bence and
Jimmy Iveen. And I promised if I won this tonight,
I'd announce the name of my new record. It's called
Born This way.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
How bad and fall in my way because God makes
no mistakes. All right, track, baby, I.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Was born this, Claire. Here's a picture as a reminder.
Please describe for our listeners. The meat dress. Okay, so
what she's wearing is a dress that appears to be
made out of meat. Do you remember this? I remember
it very very well. She's got a head like a
(10:34):
little hat that looks like a piece of liver or something.
I think it looks like a placenta. It does the
placenta fit fascinator very place end to esque. And then
on her feet she has shoes and it's like these
huge fatty cuts of meat wrapped in string and they're
just flesh hanging off. It's very like Texas chainsaw massacre.
(10:55):
But it's also very like it's not even strips of bacon,
because it's more, no, it's more than that. It's kind
of like beef. And it's got quite a drapy top. Yeah, yeah,
I don't mind the cut. It's very very fleshy. And
I'm gonna say it. I think she's trying to make
a statement, Claire, what do you think that statement is?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Um?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
So I'm imagining and I actually have completely forgotten like
this from my memory, I'm imagining it wasn't real meat.
It was real met just real mate. Why apparently it's okay.
I thought maybe it just looked like meat. No, and
she was making some vegan point. No, she's an artist, Claire.
(11:38):
It's real meat. Okay, so it's real meat. The point
is go unclear. All right, Well, Peter's mad. It's commentary.
Peter's mad. Peter is not happy. We will get to that.
Gaga explained the meaning behind the dress to Ellen DeGeneres.
Are you listening, Claire, because this is very important about
the meaning of the dress.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
She said, there has many interpretations, but for me this evening,
it's as if we don't stand up for what we
believe in, if we don't fight for our raids, pretty
soon we're going to have as much rights as the
meat on our buns.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Hey, hold on, hold on. If you weren't making a
point about women's rights, for example, in America, and you
were trying to say, like, women are treated like animals,
some animals have more rights than women. That could be
a point that you could make if you want it.
That's not her point. This is like when you read
(12:33):
a poem in English, and the teacher tells you what
the poet is trying to say. Why didn't they just
say it? Yeah? And it's like I didn't see it then,
I don't see it now. Yeah. Yeah. She also said
that it was a statement protesting the US militaries Don't Ask,
Don't Tell policy, which prevented service people from disclosing their
sexual identity. I am personally struggling to see the through line.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Wow. She said that the law prevents the military from
enjoying quote, the greatest cut of meat my country has
to offer. I feel like she's clutching. Okay, I feel
like she has a lot of feelings. I feel like
she's retroactively attaching her course to her man. Yeah. I
think she saw the dress and went, oh wow, that
love it. I love it. Love it. Someone come up
(13:16):
with a story, and then that person got sick. She
also said, you saw the prime Rib of America speech.
I think that was a speech she did, so you
knew it was about equality, but nobody else knew that.
I don't know who. Still, everyone just saw pork. It
wasn't pork, it was prime rib and plain steak. Did
he get cooked? Afterwards? People are hungry every time. She
(13:37):
explains that, I understand it. Lest Yeah, she said. We
decided to do the meat dress because I thought to myself,
if we were willing to die for your country, what
does it matter how you identify. Nope, still love.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
No.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Anyway, she said it smelled like meat, and when she
accepted her reward, Cheer had to hold her meat hamber.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Co.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
No, Peter didn't like it. Peter is the people for
the Ethical Treatment of Animals, and they were pissed. The
vegetarian society, on the other hand, loved it. That's a joke.
They hated it. They released a statement that said, no
matter how beautifully it is presented, flesh from a tortured
animal is flesh from a tortured animal. Enough animals die
for food and they should not be killed for stunts
(14:23):
like this. Yeah, no, I agree, I think, and I
think it should have been washed and cooked. Well, they
didn't just throw out the bin clare. Whether people liked
it or not, it was a moment in pop culture history.
So they decided to preserve the dress. So it's kind
of snake you have a left meat on the bench. No,
(14:43):
A lot of people were like, this is under television lights.
There's gonna be maggots and no meat already, and she's
wearing it. Well, i'd turn it into jerky. Oh oh,
come on. It was frozen following her television appearance, which
I think she did afterwards, but it had already started decomposing,
and apparently once they like defrosted it, it's stank, like
(15:05):
really bad. And now it's like in an archive. You
can throw it out. You can throw it out because
she doesn't even know why she wore it. So historically
it's gonna be like, here's some jerky. This is made
out of a dress a woman wore. She can't tell
you why she wore it. Let's go to the next
exhibition vomit on stage. Claire Gaga is an a piecete.
(15:36):
You can't put her in a box. She's not a
piece of meat. In twenty fourteen, Gaga was paid, reportedly
at cheeky two point five million dollars to perform at
Austin's annual south By Southwest Festival, sponsored by Dorito's Or
is that pophalls them Dorotos? We would love Dorito's to
(15:59):
come on as a sponsor. We love some of that chip.
We do like we like dorotos. We don't know why
Pop says it like that, but it's just become a family.
An executive said to the Hollywood reporter, and I quote,
I paid her two point five million. I better hear Alejandro.
(16:24):
This okay, okay, because that's interesting because when you said
she got paid two point five million for an appearance,
I went, that's living the life, because I'm like, how
much would I get paid for an appearance? And I'm like, probably,
honestly thirty five dollars. But Claire with two point five
mill comes expectation exactly. That's the problem. When someone's paying
(16:46):
you two point five meal, they better sang al And
that's why I don't want to get paid two point
five meal for an appearance, because I don't want to
sing Alejandro. He would not hear Alejandro instead. There was
a vomit artist named Milli and she drank one bottle
(17:07):
of luminous green milk and then vomited it up onto
gas chest. Who is a vomit artist named Milly Can
I'm being in clearer? Is Lady Yaga consent? It was
part of the art. I would never want to critique
someone's vomiting, but and here I am quoting the Guardian.
(17:27):
She doesn't seem very good at it, and it is
almost a dribble. Even Gaga seems to be a bit like, hmm,
this was meant to be the vomit part, and you're
kind of just doing a green spit, which doesn't have
the same impact. So it was meant to be like
performance art. And she was singing this weird song no
one knows, which everyone who's been to a concert knows
that experience where you're like, hmm, I'm here for Alan
(17:48):
Andro and this is you experimenting on stage in front
of me, which I don't appreciate. And it was some experimenting.
And then this vomit artist drinks things and then vomits.
And when you vomits professionally, you want a good one. Yeah.
My question is if you vomit professionally, is it a
stomach vomit. No, she had to change. No, she had
to like train herself to do it. And apparently now
(18:09):
she can't even and I quote, be in the same
room as a cappuccino because of the milk. Milk really
makes her feel sick, because every time she had milk,
she'd throw it up. Singer Demi Levado, friend of the
Council Courtroom, didn't like the performance because she said it
was glamorizing eating disorders and it wasn't cool or artsy
at all. Okay, this was that period where Demi was
(18:31):
a lot of shitting on people, a lot of commenting. Yeah,
and then she found herself through her extraterrestrial Explora exploration. Claire,
what do you think Lady Gaga was trying to say
with her Vomit Artist. I think, if her meat dresses
anything to go by, I think she was trying to
say nothing. Okay, Well, she told the audience afterwards, I'm
(18:53):
not saying vomit is going to change the world. What
I am saying is it's just what we wanted to create. Gaga. Ah, Okay,
you're getting the reason. You're getting to a point, and
then you're backing out. You are. I think she just
wanted to have a vomit artist, but it's like at
least try and like retroactively fit a reason. I think
(19:14):
she didn't know if vomit artist was a thing. She
heard about it, she thought that'd be interesting. Yeah, and
she did it, and again she had no reason, no reason,
and it doesn't fill brand safe with Doris. No, Oh
my gosh, absolutely not. Doritos would have been horrified. Yeah,
we would never do such a thing, uncanceled. I would
be mad if I was, Dorito's said later for us
(19:39):
that performance was art in its purest form. Was it that?
Which is art? That doesn't make any motherfucking said the
executive just wanted Alejandro. He probably stuck in his head
all day and all was a vomited artist. Something I've
learned from the workplace as a woman who's now in
her thirties is that the executive always just warms the
(20:03):
executive was Alejandro. She will go to them, give it
to her. It's not more complicated than that. Kids. In
twenty eleven, Gaga releases her single Born This Way, and
(20:26):
immediately a bunch of people are like, this is very
reminiscent of Madonna's Express Yourself. Already, these comparisons had been
made a lot of people said her sound, her style
was very Madonna, the Catholic imagery, the cone bras and
(20:49):
so on. So Madonna decided to comment. She told ABC News,
I thought this is a wonderful way to redo my song.
I mean, I recognize the chord changes. I thought it
was interesting when I heard it on the radio. I said,
that sounds very familiar. It felt reductive. I certainly think
she references me lot in her work, she continued, and
(21:12):
sometimes I think it's amusing and flattering. Well done, Claire,
what do you think of that?
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Ca?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Okay, that's fine. Lady Gargar responded and said the comparison
was moronic. Oh, if you put the songs next to
each other, side by side, the only similarities are the
chord progression. Just because I'm the first effing artist in
twenty five years to think of putting it on Top
forty radio, it doesn't mean I'm a plagiarist. It means
that I'm effing smart. Sorry. In twenty fifteen, Madonna had
(21:39):
more to say, so, the only time I ever criticized
Lady Gargar was when I felt she'd blatantly ripped off
one of my songs. It's got nothing to do with
she's taking my crown or she's in some space of mine.
She has her thing. In twenty sixteen, Gaga comes back.
I wouldn't make that comparison at all. I don't mean
to disrespect Madonna. She's a nice lady. Oh no, we
(22:01):
do not call Madonna. No, no, no. She's had a
fantastic hmm, that sounds very past tense. She's had a fantastic,
huge career, biggest pop star of all time. But I
play a lot of instruments. I write all my own music.
I spend hours a day in the studio. I'm a producer,
I'm a writer. What I do is different. It's giving
(22:21):
j Lo. Remember when j Loo was very she went
through and just shut on everyone didn't She had that
that day. Yeah, and she was going through all sorts
of people who sing Yeah, She's like, no, they sing,
but they're not me. They're not me. I'm j Lo.
Then there was this weird beef out of nowhere. Madonna
(22:41):
reposts a clip of her in an interview years before,
saying this line.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
This is Madonna's voice.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
One hundred people in the room, and ninety nine people
say they liked it.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I only remember the one.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Person who did Lady Gaga. There can be one hundred
people in the room and ninety nine don't believe in you.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
But I had this one incredible talent.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
With me, Madonna.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
There can be one hundred people in the room and
ninety nine don't believe in you, and you just need
one to believe.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
In you, and that was him.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
So, Gaga, you can have one hundred people in the
room that are watching you and ninety nine don't believe
in you and one does, and that was him. But
donav you know there could be one hundred people in
the room and ninety nine don't believe, but all it
takes is one, Yaga. You know, one hundred people can
be in a room and ninety nine don't believe in you,
and just one person believes in you, and it can
change everything.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yaga.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I probably said this earlier, but there can be one
hundred people or one thousand people in the room and
nine thousand or nine hundred ninety nine don't believe in
you and one does, and I would not be here
without you.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
So not only did she repeat the same thing over
and over again, it wasn't even original, Interestingly, though, they
are fundamentally different sentences, No they are. It's the one
hundred people in the room and the ninety nine. Yeah
is repetitive, but they come to different messages. And I
respect that Gaga has said that line in as many
(24:08):
different ways as is humanly possible if there are. Sometimes
she says, if there are a hundred people in this room,
there might be one hundred people in this room. Sometimes
she improvises. She says, if there was a thousand people
in a room, oh wow. And then she was like,
and then there's nine thousand. She's like, no, no, wait,
nine hundred and ninety nine people that don't believe in
you something something Bradley Cooper. Sometimes she does get lost
(24:30):
in it because she's improvised too much, but she plays
with it. She plays with it. She's also feuded with
the Osborne's. In twenty thirteen, Kelly Osborne said Garga had
been disrespectful to her fans when she'd skip the red
carpet at the Grammys, and then a year later she
was on Fashion Police and Osborne said that Gargar looked pregnant.
Oh come. Kelly got mad because Gargles fans came up
(24:53):
to her and she was all like, make them stop.
And then Garga went on X Factor with Sharon Osborne,
Kelly's mum, and gave her a birthday cake to pass
on to Kelly, sort of to put an end to
their rift. Lovely, It's had happy birthday, Kelly. She got
a photo with it. She was like, nah, anyway, Kelly
Osborne saw this, what do you think? She said, thanks
for the cake, I don't know what. Happy birthday to
(25:15):
me hipipperay yeah, yeah, no. She tweeted, not to be ungrateful,
but why would you send me a birthday cake via
my mother in a country half the world away? Hashtag
just send it to me? Hashtag love not war. Okay,
it was a symbol. It was a symbol. But I
also see a point because it's how Kelly saying, how
will I get the cake? It won't be fresh, it
(25:38):
won't be fresh. I'm delivering another plate directly. Yeah, I'll
put it in the fridge. If you want to give
me a cake, give me a cake. It's like I'll
have a slice every night. Yeah, don't give a cake
to my mother. She'll eat it and she can chuck it.
Ys of cake and waste of me. And in fact,
you're also wating milk, green milk. Yeah. She also tweeted
(26:00):
hashtag Stephanie, stop it. You are so far behind you
think you are first. I live for a hashtag cause,
not for the hashtag applause. Okay, alright, she gotta be
carried away. Actually she wasn't being okay, Yeah, but that's okay.
So Kelly o wasborn hates Lady Gaga because she got
(26:21):
carried away with the pause, because she got a cake.
She didn't actually get yes after Kelly called her pregnant
when she wasn't okay. It's at this point I need
to enter something into the court room. I loved Fashion
Police in hindsight, it was so wrong, so wrong. It's cruel.
It was women, only exclusively to women. It was Joan Rivers. Yeah,
(26:45):
I think Juliana ran sick. Yeah, yeah, Kelly Osbourne and
they just sat there pitching, saying stuff you wouldn't say
in a group chat and that you wouldn't say to
someone's face. But the person was watching always, I was watching, yeah, Claire.
The internet has been scrubbed. There are traces of feuds
and clips that are referred to that cannot be located.
(27:06):
I think Lady Gaga has some pr team working over
time because they are taken clips and deleting them, which
clips okay. She has a long standing feud with Perez
Hilton Oh love. Yes. Apparently they fell out on an
Australian cooking show, and do you think I could find
that footage? I would pay any amount of money to
(27:28):
see it. So instead I found a forty six minute
podcast recapping the Perez Hilton and Lady Gargar feud Lovely
and I'm like, I'm a busy person. I have time
to listen for forty six minute podcast. Anyway, I listened
to it. I listened to the whole thing. Would you
like to hear what happened? Yes, okay. Perez says he
discovers Lady Gargar via some mixtape that he was given
(27:51):
and then he was like, I want her to perform
at one of my parties. It was just dance. And
then while she's performing at the party, some like very
famous guy. Is there kids on the block? New kids
on the block. I don't know, Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah
ring Yeah. He hears it, and he's like, we want
her to support us. So Perez Hilton kind of thinks
that he discovered Lady Gargar. Then they become very close
(28:12):
best friends. This seems to be a trap with Perez.
He has friends that become enemies. Yeah, so best best friends.
But then he is doing Access Hollywood where he's interviewing
her and he's kind of trailing her around and they
end up in Australia. At this point, I just have
a series of question marks because I can't work out
why they're here. Yeah, And he asks her about this
(28:33):
controversy about her song Judas at the time, and she
seems uncomfortable, and then about her boyfriend, and she gets
very mad and she abruptly ends the interview and they
have a massive falling out. Wow apparently, he says Slash
the Internet says that she was potentially like she'd been
drinking that day and she was overly emotional. I cannot
confirm or deny because I cannot see them tis yep.
(28:58):
They don't speak for years. Then she's on a stage
and she breaks her hip like while performing, and she
has to get surgery or something. She comes out of
surgery and perez out of nowhere. They haven't spoken for ages.
Sends her a meme of her in a wheelchair and
Madonna holding a gun to her head with the words
calm old, oh, come on now. Ye she's not in
(29:21):
a good way. He has tweeted about it and written
about it in his memoir, like their feud, and he's
done YouTube videos and been like I don't care, I
forgive you, and then he comes back and is like,
you made me write mean things about Extina, which is
Christina Aguilera, and apparently she did. Okay, everyone here needs
a deep breath. You need to do some journally, we
(29:43):
need to relax. This is the press. I think it's
a very troubled person. Okay, everyone who gets too close
to Perez ends up embroiled in drama because it's all
of this, like he's taking someone down, all of that,
and it's like the common denominator mate is you, And
(30:03):
I don't think Perez is your real name. It's not.
I think you're trying to be Paris Hilm. It's confusing.
A very weird David Bowie tribute. This had also largely
been scrubbed from the internet. I'm over here trying to
(30:23):
do my due diligence. I work hard for the dollar.
I'm hustling, and do you think YouTube will find me
this clip that everyone's talking about. I actually do find
it very interesting that there are a few, particularly with celebrities,
there are a few kind of stories that you know,
are bubbly, yew things get taken down and I'm thinking,
(30:44):
who how, well, that's what I was doing. I was
walking around my house hutting, and then I just googled it.
I found it. Oh, I did find it good. So
at the twenty sixteen Grammys, Lady Gaga does a tribute
to the English singer songwriter actor David Bowie, who had
died earlier that year. She's a six minute melody of
nine different songs.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Way.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Until the Sun Play the Way. People did not like it,
but mostly David Bowie's son did not lie. Slate in
their commentary, said that it felt as though her performance
was just watching her discover as she went along how
ill suited she was to this material and couldn't do
(31:33):
the performance. Vulture described it as messy and chaotic. The
Sydney Morning Herald said she came across as a second
rate imitator, and David Bowie's son, Duncan Jones, tweeted over
excited or irrational, typically as a result of infatuation or
excessive enthusiasm, mentally confused, damn it, what is that word? Claire?
(31:54):
He has tweeted the Dictionary definition of Gaga on no
and she would have thought, Oh, why did I call
myself lady Gaga. I handed that one to him. Yeah,
she was very gracious about the tweet. She said it hurt,
but that is his dad, so he's titled to his
own opinion. Yeah, wasn't a good tribute, Claire, Oh No,
(32:14):
too many songs. Nine songs in six minutes is too many.
You did too much. But to call her an imitation,
it's like, well, what she meant to do? Yeah, that's
kind of what she was. She kind of said that.
She's like, I actually don't know why I was asked
to do it. I'm going to sing a song to him.
If the whole thing was weird, sick, play.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Jam and gird with Weird and Tony.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Was from Mars. Finally the covid kerfuffle. Earlier this year,
Lady Gaga was interviewed at the La Premiere for her
new film, which is a concert special that looks back
at the tour she did in twenty twenty two. You
haven't mentioned five foot two? Yeah, her documentary, what what
of it? I've seen her. She doesn't come across that well. Continue.
(32:58):
I don't think she came across that well either, but
I think she was in a good way, and she
brought up her Majonna feud twice, any other comments, and
I just said she's five foot two, okay. Right before
the screening, the thirty eight year old was interviewed by
Access Hollywood again and she said, having a little bit
of a chuckle, that she did five shows of this
(33:19):
tour with COVID. She explained, I shared the news with
everyone on my team. I said, I don't want anyone
to feel uncomfortable at work, and you don't have to perform,
and you don't have to work that day, but I'm
going to do the show because I didn't want to
let all the fans down. Gaga. That is ah ula
la u na na now a lajandro and that is
(33:45):
not something we do. And you know why, because there's
a power imbalance, because if you say to people, oh,
you don't have to work, I'll be performing, but you
don't have to work, as if people are going to
feel confident enough to say, Okay, yeah, I think you're
actually a little bit fun, Gaga, I'm not comfortable, Well
get another job. People were very upset. Some called for
(34:07):
her arrest, to which I say, what for. It's not illegal,
it's just frowned upon. All these videos started surfacing of
her walking through the crowd getting close to the fans. No,
oh no, it's really it is not a good look.
It comes across as profoundly selfish. I'm sorry. I know
I say this with a very sinusy voice, but I
(34:30):
do not have COVID. I've checked a million times. Gar
Gar is a murderer. No, she's not, but she could be. No,
that's over the top, but is it? Maybe not? I'm
an anti that I reckon you just don't say it. Yeah,
just sh don't have a little giggle being like you
know who works hard me with COVID. Yes, like, yeah, no,
(34:52):
absolutely not. But I do think whoever was making that
documentary was like, come on, share some more details because
they knew, they knew people would get mad. It's time
for charges and sentences. I'm gonna go first charge. Lady
(35:12):
Gaga loves making an artistic statement, loves it, lives for
it what she lacks. She's kind of like a year
twelve art student who like, who can like throw the
paint at the wall? Isn't good at the little essay
you got to write about? Why? Okay? I don't think
she is aware of what the statement is and I
think she does get annoyed when asked because it's like
(35:34):
meat dress. She says meat dress, and people are like,
what mean by meat dress? And she's like meat dress
and so on. She's very artist in an art gallery
who draws a spot on a canvas and you're like,
I don't get it, and they're like, well, you don't
understand art, and it's like, my question is if I
don't understand it, then what is the point? Is my question? Yeah,
(35:54):
And same with the year twelve art student is like,
so you have no skill. That doesn't apply to Gaga.
She does have skill. You've done something silly at least
bullshit me at least that's ninety percent of art is
the bullshit. My sentence is a request for some clarification.
When we do an art, can we include an artist's statement?
(36:15):
And here's the clincher. It has to make sense to me. Yes,
I need a reflection, a translation so I can process.
I have no closure on the meat dress. I lose
sleep over that because I still do not understand what
we were doing. I'm upset about the jerky. I'm upset
about the jerky, I'm upset about the vomit because you can't.
Humans don't know what to do with things that don't
(36:37):
make sense. It's nice. I don't know why someone vomited
on you on stage, but I know that fact. Yeah,
I don't know why you did it. Okay. My charge
is I'm hung up on the COVID. Oh, I'm actually
still mad about that. So my charge is quite straightforward.
Performing with COVID. Oh, and my sentence is, you're performing
(36:57):
with it even if you don't have COVID, You've got
a running nose. I'm gonna have a running nose by
the time I walk out of this. Oh no, no, no, sorry,
I'm the covied. I sound just sound terrible, Okay, but
I have been for a while. It's not going away.
If there are any doctors listening to this, great, give
me a sinus root. Anyway. With Gaga, there is something
(37:22):
in their counseled law book that we've talked about before.
It's called karma. And what I'll say is I want
somebody near her to say, I'm a hard worker. I'm
working with chicken pox, I'm working with COVID, I'm working
with a highly contagious, highly debilitating illness. And then I
(37:45):
want yeah, oh well, well, you said you're a role model,
and I thought that we liked to grind, to grind, grind.
I wonder if the meat dress had an illness, oh
like mad cow, and maybe she started it, maybe she
started swine flu. Yeah. I didn't do the things, but
(38:07):
I think that's why we don't wear meat. Yeah, I think.
I think we don't wear meat to events, crowded events
because I think it does cause swine Yeah. Yeah, so
I would say, yeah, my sentence is karma and that
she is going to get sick from someone around her,
hustling with a contagious illness. Thank you so much for
joining us for this episode of Canceled. For all the
(38:29):
receipts go to the Twins underscore thoughts on Instagram. The
executive producer of Canceled is Kimberly Bradish, with audio production
by Tom Lyon. And we will be back next week.
Bye bye,
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mom and Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and
waters that this podcast is recorded on Hello, and welcome
to canceled the podcast that looks at silly celebrity crimes
and as science charges and sentences to them so that
(00:36):
we can all move on with our lives. My name
is Jesse Stevens and I'm joined by Claire Stephens. And Claire,
do you have a lazy girl story for us today? Well?
What I have and this is a bit of a
new genre of lazy girl story. It's actually lazy girl
in the news. Oh so like a headline that I
might lazy girl. Okay, we got sent This woman runs
(00:59):
through active shooting without realizing due to her noise canceling AirPods.
She's a lazy girl. That's very lazy girl. That is
what not the running Oh no, sorry, being unaware of surroundings,
being incredibly unaware of what is going on around you.
The other thing I'd say is sometimes airpod's not that lazy.
So I went to use my airpod's day to listen
(01:21):
to a podcast right ere zero percent, So I go, hmm, okay,
and then I'm just listening to a podcast out loud
on the street. Yeah, I'm often doing that. It's like
I've already charged this once and you're asking me to
charge it again constantly and how yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
where you tell me where my charger is because I
don't got to speak.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
You are about to enter the canceled courtroom. The defendants
are celebrities, the chargers are petty, the rulings are final.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Today we're talking about Stephanie Joanne Angelina german Otta, the
thirty eight year old singer, songwriter and actress best known
There's Lady Gaga. Gaga ulana parla la la raha.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Roma roma la.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
La lamas.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
I can't read.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
If you could do something dangerous just for once, with
new risk, what would you do die?
Speaker 4 (02:34):
I mean, I have an interesting mind, but I want
to smell like a slut, to be totally honest.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Born in nineteen eighty six, Gaga grew up on I
know it's Gaga, but it's so really to say it's
Lady Gagar. It's Lady Gaga. She grew up on the
Upper West Side of Manhattan, the connotations of which I
don't fully understand, but she describes herself as having been
upper middle class, which I am interpreting as rich. Yeah.
I think that's what rich people say, because I don't
(03:02):
think you're allowed to self identify as rich or elite,
Like I grew up really fucking wealthy. I don't think
you're allowed to say that you might be like upper
middle class. She started playing the piano at four when
her mum insisted she become a cultured young woman. Claire,
what will you suggest your daughter do it for to
become a cultured young woman? Because I was sinking a
(03:24):
familiar which I can't pronounce, but it's wine. Well, I'm like, well,
I want my daughter to play an instrument. Yeah, so
I have this. I can only describe it as a thing.
It looks like a piano, but it's bright colors and
when you press a button, it does a whole song. Oh,
(03:44):
she's playing piano. It drives us nuts. This is why
we're getting dumber as a species. Yeah, because you don't
have to play, You just have to. She thinks she's
playing piano. Yeah, she's never gonna be Stephanie Joeann and
Angelina Jemanntal never. In recent weeks, Gaga has been in
the headlines. Yeah, she's in Paris. Yeah, she performed. There
(04:07):
were some criticisms of the performance. I think it was
apposolutely fine. I quite enjoyed it. One of her dances
fell aheah looked, she looked painful. She couldn't do anything
about it. Not her fault, not cancelable. But what did
happen is that she was speaking to the Prime Minister
and she said this is my fiance, right, and they
were filming it, and then that video came out and
(04:29):
it circulated, and the issue with that is that no
one knew that she was engaged. So look, there's been
some accusations that she pulled focus. This is meant to
be about the athletes and the excellence and why am
I talking about Lady Gagar's engagement?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
And I also think because she's talked about her performance
and she's been like, I went so deep on like
French culture and like dancing and blah blah blah. Was
fiance about practicing our French? Mmm? She didn't say this
is my fiance. She said this my film. So did
she actually no, Oh, I'm taking a piss Oh okay, okay,
(05:07):
she didn't say this is my fiance she said this
is okay, but she also didn't say this is the
man I'm engaged in. She said fiancee. Yeah, And if
I was talking to the French Prime Minister, I'd say, oh,
(05:28):
gen Mapela como suber Austrabian, which I was recently in
France and asked a French person if that was an
adequate way to have a conversation, and they were horrified, confused.
She got into the music industry and she was singing
(05:50):
a reference vocal for Akon, who was like, whoa, she's good,
and he convinced he's producer to sign her, which begs
a question, whatever happened to Akon? Okay, okay, yes, begs
that question. I'm so lonely, mister lonely, you know, I
(06:10):
wondered that. But also that's very A star is born,
it is, isn't it. There are a few founding stories
of Lady Gaga and they all conflict. It was two
thousand and eight and she was twenty two when Just
Dance and Poker Face dropped, which went number one everywhere,
but especially in Australia. Australia is always old in the
(06:34):
cultural precipice. We are the basic bitch of the culture.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, we need art to be simple.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah. Yeah. People Australia loves disproportionately Michael Boublay Yeah, pink, Yeah, exactly.
It's like if the culture broadly accept something, it's number
one in Australia. We got hard on it because we're like,
we like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we like Lady Gaga.
Since then, she has won thirteen Grammys, two Golden Globe Awards,
eighteen MTV Video Awards, and a net worth, according to
(07:03):
an unverified website that looks AI generated and completely made up,
is allegedly three hundred million. Can you find your net worth? One? Yeah,
what's your network? And it said I swear it was
like five million? Was like that not actually all? Do
you respect? Where? Where? And also like, how do you
get access to other people's net worth? I guess and
(07:26):
I don't think you're a person. I think your ar
Before we begin, you have seen House of Gucci, which
I have been exclusively referring to as that Fasachi film
I have not. Can you please enter the vibe into
the courtroom of House of Gucci.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
I have been Gucci in my life.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
It is an empire.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
You can help the family, which is not exciting, and
everybody knows it.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
At least it's my name is Sweete, our name Sweetie.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
It looks good by the trailer. I watched the trailer
and I was like, this looks actually good. This is
the thing. This got torn apart for everyone's accent, but
most of all, Lady Gaga.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I find it's so interesting that you have such a
strong connection to that which is.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Not yours and I all four tearing apart in accent.
Some would say it's all we do in this courtroom.
You play someone silly accent from a movie and make
part of it. But I thought that movie was excellent.
I thought Gaga was outstanding. You love Gargar's acting because
you also liked'ring the Stars. I just think she's very,
very talented. And I watched that movie and I went, well,
(08:30):
I'm taking this very seriously. It's very very good. And
I didn't know where it was going, and everyone had
Italian accents, and that's the thing. I don't know the
story of the House of Gucci No No, but she
was very like Italian, very Italian, and I think she
is itally she is her parents. I think we're like
Italian immigrants or something. And I like she plays quite
(08:52):
a not unlikable, but not like quite a spirited woman, okay.
And I thought she was brilliant, so I thought it
was weird that everybody made fun of it. I think
there are funner things to make fun Okay, I have
some of them here today. My structure for today is
follows meat dress, vomit on stage, endless feuds and awkward
(09:16):
David Bowie tribute, and finally the covid kerfuffle, no meat dress.
It's September twenty ten, and Lady Gaga is It's at
the MTV Video Music Awards. She was the most nominated artist.
She arrived in a normal dress with shoes, but then
she got changed. She wore the meat dress to accept
her Video of the Year trophy for Bad Romance.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I never thought I'd be asking share to hold my
meat purse.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
I was so nervous for tonight that I would let
my fans down.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
I love you so much.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Thank you to my family and Troy and Bence and
Jimmy Iveen. And I promised if I won this tonight,
I'd announce the name of my new record. It's called
Born This way.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
How bad and fall in my way because God makes
no mistakes. All right, track, baby, I.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Was born this, Claire. Here's a picture as a reminder.
Please describe for our listeners. The meat dress. Okay, so
what she's wearing is a dress that appears to be
made out of meat. Do you remember this? I remember
it very very well. She's got a head like a
(10:34):
little hat that looks like a piece of liver or something.
I think it looks like a placenta. It does the
placenta fit fascinator very place end to esque. And then
on her feet she has shoes and it's like these
huge fatty cuts of meat wrapped in string and they're
just flesh hanging off. It's very like Texas chainsaw massacre.
(10:55):
But it's also very like it's not even strips of bacon,
because it's more, no, it's more than that. It's kind
of like beef. And it's got quite a drapy top. Yeah, yeah,
I don't mind the cut. It's very very fleshy. And
I'm gonna say it. I think she's trying to make
a statement, Claire, what do you think that statement is?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Um?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
So I'm imagining and I actually have completely forgotten like
this from my memory, I'm imagining it wasn't real meat.
It was real met just real mate. Why apparently it's okay.
I thought maybe it just looked like meat. No, and
she was making some vegan point. No, she's an artist, Claire.
(11:38):
It's real meat. Okay, so it's real meat. The point
is go unclear. All right, Well, Peter's mad. It's commentary.
Peter's mad. Peter is not happy. We will get to that.
Gaga explained the meaning behind the dress to Ellen DeGeneres.
Are you listening, Claire, because this is very important about
the meaning of the dress.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
She said, there has many interpretations, but for me this evening,
it's as if we don't stand up for what we
believe in, if we don't fight for our raids, pretty
soon we're going to have as much rights as the
meat on our buns.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Hey, hold on, hold on. If you weren't making a
point about women's rights, for example, in America, and you
were trying to say, like, women are treated like animals,
some animals have more rights than women. That could be
a point that you could make if you want it.
That's not her point. This is like when you read
(12:33):
a poem in English, and the teacher tells you what
the poet is trying to say. Why didn't they just
say it? Yeah? And it's like I didn't see it then,
I don't see it now. Yeah. Yeah. She also said
that it was a statement protesting the US militaries Don't Ask,
Don't Tell policy, which prevented service people from disclosing their
sexual identity. I am personally struggling to see the through line.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Wow. She said that the law prevents the military from
enjoying quote, the greatest cut of meat my country has
to offer. I feel like she's clutching. Okay, I feel
like she has a lot of feelings. I feel like
she's retroactively attaching her course to her man. Yeah. I
think she saw the dress and went, oh wow, that
love it. I love it. Love it. Someone come up
(13:16):
with a story, and then that person got sick. She
also said, you saw the prime Rib of America speech.
I think that was a speech she did, so you
knew it was about equality, but nobody else knew that.
I don't know who. Still, everyone just saw pork. It
wasn't pork, it was prime rib and plain steak. Did
he get cooked? Afterwards? People are hungry every time. She
(13:37):
explains that, I understand it. Lest Yeah, she said. We
decided to do the meat dress because I thought to myself,
if we were willing to die for your country, what
does it matter how you identify. Nope, still love.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
No.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Anyway, she said it smelled like meat, and when she
accepted her reward, Cheer had to hold her meat hamber.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Co.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
No, Peter didn't like it. Peter is the people for
the Ethical Treatment of Animals, and they were pissed. The
vegetarian society, on the other hand, loved it. That's a joke.
They hated it. They released a statement that said, no
matter how beautifully it is presented, flesh from a tortured
animal is flesh from a tortured animal. Enough animals die
for food and they should not be killed for stunts
(14:23):
like this. Yeah, no, I agree, I think, and I
think it should have been washed and cooked. Well, they
didn't just throw out the bin clare. Whether people liked
it or not, it was a moment in pop culture history.
So they decided to preserve the dress. So it's kind
of snake you have a left meat on the bench. No,
(14:43):
A lot of people were like, this is under television lights.
There's gonna be maggots and no meat already, and she's
wearing it. Well, i'd turn it into jerky. Oh oh,
come on. It was frozen following her television appearance, which
I think she did afterwards, but it had already started decomposing,
and apparently once they like defrosted it, it's stank, like
(15:05):
really bad. And now it's like in an archive. You
can throw it out. You can throw it out because
she doesn't even know why she wore it. So historically
it's gonna be like, here's some jerky. This is made
out of a dress a woman wore. She can't tell
you why she wore it. Let's go to the next
exhibition vomit on stage. Claire Gaga is an a piecete.
(15:36):
You can't put her in a box. She's not a
piece of meat. In twenty fourteen, Gaga was paid, reportedly
at cheeky two point five million dollars to perform at
Austin's annual south By Southwest Festival, sponsored by Dorito's Or
is that pophalls them Dorotos? We would love Dorito's to
(15:59):
come on as a sponsor. We love some of that chip.
We do like we like dorotos. We don't know why
Pop says it like that, but it's just become a family.
An executive said to the Hollywood reporter, and I quote,
I paid her two point five million. I better hear Alejandro.
(16:24):
This okay, okay, because that's interesting because when you said
she got paid two point five million for an appearance,
I went, that's living the life, because I'm like, how
much would I get paid for an appearance? And I'm like, probably,
honestly thirty five dollars. But Claire with two point five
mill comes expectation exactly. That's the problem. When someone's paying
(16:46):
you two point five meal, they better sang al And
that's why I don't want to get paid two point
five meal for an appearance, because I don't want to
sing Alejandro. He would not hear Alejandro instead. There was
a vomit artist named Milli and she drank one bottle
(17:07):
of luminous green milk and then vomited it up onto
gas chest. Who is a vomit artist named Milly Can
I'm being in clearer? Is Lady Yaga consent? It was
part of the art. I would never want to critique
someone's vomiting, but and here I am quoting the Guardian.
(17:27):
She doesn't seem very good at it, and it is
almost a dribble. Even Gaga seems to be a bit like, hmm,
this was meant to be the vomit part, and you're
kind of just doing a green spit, which doesn't have
the same impact. So it was meant to be like
performance art. And she was singing this weird song no
one knows, which everyone who's been to a concert knows
that experience where you're like, hmm, I'm here for Alan
(17:48):
Andro and this is you experimenting on stage in front
of me, which I don't appreciate. And it was some experimenting.
And then this vomit artist drinks things and then vomits.
And when you vomits professionally, you want a good one. Yeah.
My question is if you vomit professionally, is it a
stomach vomit. No, she had to change. No, she had
to like train herself to do it. And apparently now
(18:09):
she can't even and I quote, be in the same
room as a cappuccino because of the milk. Milk really
makes her feel sick, because every time she had milk,
she'd throw it up. Singer Demi Levado, friend of the
Council Courtroom, didn't like the performance because she said it
was glamorizing eating disorders and it wasn't cool or artsy
at all. Okay, this was that period where Demi was
(18:31):
a lot of shitting on people, a lot of commenting. Yeah,
and then she found herself through her extraterrestrial Explora exploration. Claire,
what do you think Lady Gaga was trying to say
with her Vomit Artist. I think, if her meat dresses
anything to go by, I think she was trying to
say nothing. Okay, Well, she told the audience afterwards, I'm
(18:53):
not saying vomit is going to change the world. What
I am saying is it's just what we wanted to create. Gaga. Ah, Okay,
you're getting the reason. You're getting to a point, and
then you're backing out. You are. I think she just
wanted to have a vomit artist, but it's like at
least try and like retroactively fit a reason. I think
(19:14):
she didn't know if vomit artist was a thing. She
heard about it, she thought that'd be interesting. Yeah, and
she did it, and again she had no reason, no reason,
and it doesn't fill brand safe with Doris. No, Oh
my gosh, absolutely not. Doritos would have been horrified. Yeah,
we would never do such a thing, uncanceled. I would
be mad if I was, Dorito's said later for us
(19:39):
that performance was art in its purest form. Was it that?
Which is art? That doesn't make any motherfucking said the
executive just wanted Alejandro. He probably stuck in his head
all day and all was a vomited artist. Something I've
learned from the workplace as a woman who's now in
her thirties is that the executive always just warms the
(20:03):
executive was Alejandro. She will go to them, give it
to her. It's not more complicated than that. Kids. In
twenty eleven, Gaga releases her single Born This Way, and
(20:26):
immediately a bunch of people are like, this is very
reminiscent of Madonna's Express Yourself. Already, these comparisons had been
made a lot of people said her sound, her style
was very Madonna, the Catholic imagery, the cone bras and
(20:49):
so on. So Madonna decided to comment. She told ABC News,
I thought this is a wonderful way to redo my song.
I mean, I recognize the chord changes. I thought it
was interesting when I heard it on the radio. I said,
that sounds very familiar. It felt reductive. I certainly think
she references me lot in her work, she continued, and
(21:12):
sometimes I think it's amusing and flattering. Well done, Claire,
what do you think of that?
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Ca?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Okay, that's fine. Lady Gargar responded and said the comparison
was moronic. Oh, if you put the songs next to
each other, side by side, the only similarities are the
chord progression. Just because I'm the first effing artist in
twenty five years to think of putting it on Top
forty radio, it doesn't mean I'm a plagiarist. It means
that I'm effing smart. Sorry. In twenty fifteen, Madonna had
(21:39):
more to say, so, the only time I ever criticized
Lady Gargar was when I felt she'd blatantly ripped off
one of my songs. It's got nothing to do with
she's taking my crown or she's in some space of mine.
She has her thing. In twenty sixteen, Gaga comes back.
I wouldn't make that comparison at all. I don't mean
to disrespect Madonna. She's a nice lady. Oh no, we
(22:01):
do not call Madonna. No, no, no. She's had a
fantastic hmm, that sounds very past tense. She's had a fantastic,
huge career, biggest pop star of all time. But I
play a lot of instruments. I write all my own music.
I spend hours a day in the studio. I'm a producer,
I'm a writer. What I do is different. It's giving
(22:21):
j Lo. Remember when j Loo was very she went
through and just shut on everyone didn't She had that
that day. Yeah, and she was going through all sorts
of people who sing Yeah, She's like, no, they sing,
but they're not me. They're not me. I'm j Lo.
Then there was this weird beef out of nowhere. Madonna
(22:41):
reposts a clip of her in an interview years before,
saying this line.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
This is Madonna's voice.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
One hundred people in the room, and ninety nine people
say they liked it.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I only remember the one.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Person who did Lady Gaga. There can be one hundred
people in the room and ninety nine don't believe in you.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
But I had this one incredible talent.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
With me, Madonna.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
There can be one hundred people in the room and
ninety nine don't believe in you, and you just need
one to believe.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
In you, and that was him.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
So, Gaga, you can have one hundred people in the
room that are watching you and ninety nine don't believe
in you and one does, and that was him. But
donav you know there could be one hundred people in
the room and ninety nine don't believe, but all it
takes is one, Yaga. You know, one hundred people can
be in a room and ninety nine don't believe in you,
and just one person believes in you, and it can
change everything.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yaga.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I probably said this earlier, but there can be one
hundred people or one thousand people in the room and
nine thousand or nine hundred ninety nine don't believe in
you and one does, and I would not be here
without you.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
So not only did she repeat the same thing over
and over again, it wasn't even original, Interestingly, though, they
are fundamentally different sentences, No they are. It's the one
hundred people in the room and the ninety nine. Yeah
is repetitive, but they come to different messages. And I
respect that Gaga has said that line in as many
(24:08):
different ways as is humanly possible if there are. Sometimes
she says, if there are a hundred people in this room,
there might be one hundred people in this room. Sometimes
she improvises. She says, if there was a thousand people
in a room, oh wow. And then she was like,
and then there's nine thousand. She's like, no, no, wait,
nine hundred and ninety nine people that don't believe in
you something something Bradley Cooper. Sometimes she does get lost
(24:30):
in it because she's improvised too much, but she plays
with it. She plays with it. She's also feuded with
the Osborne's. In twenty thirteen, Kelly Osborne said Garga had
been disrespectful to her fans when she'd skip the red
carpet at the Grammys, and then a year later she
was on Fashion Police and Osborne said that Gargar looked pregnant.
Oh come. Kelly got mad because Gargles fans came up
(24:53):
to her and she was all like, make them stop.
And then Garga went on X Factor with Sharon Osborne,
Kelly's mum, and gave her a birthday cake to pass
on to Kelly, sort of to put an end to
their rift. Lovely, It's had happy birthday, Kelly. She got
a photo with it. She was like, nah, anyway, Kelly
Osborne saw this, what do you think? She said, thanks
for the cake, I don't know what. Happy birthday to
(25:15):
me hipipperay yeah, yeah, no. She tweeted, not to be ungrateful,
but why would you send me a birthday cake via
my mother in a country half the world away? Hashtag
just send it to me? Hashtag love not war. Okay,
it was a symbol. It was a symbol. But I
also see a point because it's how Kelly saying, how
will I get the cake? It won't be fresh, it
(25:38):
won't be fresh. I'm delivering another plate directly. Yeah, I'll
put it in the fridge. If you want to give
me a cake, give me a cake. It's like I'll
have a slice every night. Yeah, don't give a cake
to my mother. She'll eat it and she can chuck it.
Ys of cake and waste of me. And in fact,
you're also wating milk, green milk. Yeah. She also tweeted
(26:00):
hashtag Stephanie, stop it. You are so far behind you
think you are first. I live for a hashtag cause,
not for the hashtag applause. Okay, alright, she gotta be
carried away. Actually she wasn't being okay, Yeah, but that's okay.
So Kelly o wasborn hates Lady Gaga because she got
(26:21):
carried away with the pause, because she got a cake.
She didn't actually get yes after Kelly called her pregnant
when she wasn't okay. It's at this point I need
to enter something into the court room. I loved Fashion
Police in hindsight, it was so wrong, so wrong. It's cruel.
It was women, only exclusively to women. It was Joan Rivers. Yeah,
(26:45):
I think Juliana ran sick. Yeah, yeah, Kelly Osbourne and
they just sat there pitching, saying stuff you wouldn't say
in a group chat and that you wouldn't say to
someone's face. But the person was watching always, I was watching, yeah, Claire.
The internet has been scrubbed. There are traces of feuds
and clips that are referred to that cannot be located.
(27:06):
I think Lady Gaga has some pr team working over
time because they are taken clips and deleting them, which
clips okay. She has a long standing feud with Perez
Hilton Oh love. Yes. Apparently they fell out on an
Australian cooking show, and do you think I could find
that footage? I would pay any amount of money to
(27:28):
see it. So instead I found a forty six minute
podcast recapping the Perez Hilton and Lady Gargar feud Lovely
and I'm like, I'm a busy person. I have time
to listen for forty six minute podcast. Anyway, I listened
to it. I listened to the whole thing. Would you
like to hear what happened? Yes, okay. Perez says he
discovers Lady Gargar via some mixtape that he was given
(27:51):
and then he was like, I want her to perform
at one of my parties. It was just dance. And
then while she's performing at the party, some like very
famous guy. Is there kids on the block? New kids
on the block. I don't know, Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah
ring Yeah. He hears it, and he's like, we want
her to support us. So Perez Hilton kind of thinks
that he discovered Lady Gargar. Then they become very close
(28:12):
best friends. This seems to be a trap with Perez.
He has friends that become enemies. Yeah, so best best friends.
But then he is doing Access Hollywood where he's interviewing
her and he's kind of trailing her around and they
end up in Australia. At this point, I just have
a series of question marks because I can't work out
why they're here. Yeah, And he asks her about this
(28:33):
controversy about her song Judas at the time, and she
seems uncomfortable, and then about her boyfriend, and she gets
very mad and she abruptly ends the interview and they
have a massive falling out. Wow apparently, he says Slash
the Internet says that she was potentially like she'd been
drinking that day and she was overly emotional. I cannot
confirm or deny because I cannot see them tis yep.
(28:58):
They don't speak for years. Then she's on a stage
and she breaks her hip like while performing, and she
has to get surgery or something. She comes out of
surgery and perez out of nowhere. They haven't spoken for ages.
Sends her a meme of her in a wheelchair and
Madonna holding a gun to her head with the words
calm old, oh, come on now. Ye she's not in
(29:21):
a good way. He has tweeted about it and written
about it in his memoir, like their feud, and he's
done YouTube videos and been like I don't care, I
forgive you, and then he comes back and is like,
you made me write mean things about Extina, which is
Christina Aguilera, and apparently she did. Okay, everyone here needs
a deep breath. You need to do some journally, we
(29:43):
need to relax. This is the press. I think it's
a very troubled person. Okay, everyone who gets too close
to Perez ends up embroiled in drama because it's all
of this, like he's taking someone down, all of that,
and it's like the common denominator mate is you, And
(30:03):
I don't think Perez is your real name. It's not.
I think you're trying to be Paris Hilm. It's confusing.
A very weird David Bowie tribute. This had also largely
been scrubbed from the internet. I'm over here trying to
(30:23):
do my due diligence. I work hard for the dollar.
I'm hustling, and do you think YouTube will find me
this clip that everyone's talking about. I actually do find
it very interesting that there are a few, particularly with celebrities,
there are a few kind of stories that you know,
are bubbly, yew things get taken down and I'm thinking,
(30:44):
who how, well, that's what I was doing. I was
walking around my house hutting, and then I just googled it.
I found it. Oh, I did find it good. So
at the twenty sixteen Grammys, Lady Gaga does a tribute
to the English singer songwriter actor David Bowie, who had
died earlier that year. She's a six minute melody of
nine different songs.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Way.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Until the Sun Play the Way. People did not like it,
but mostly David Bowie's son did not lie. Slate in
their commentary, said that it felt as though her performance
was just watching her discover as she went along how
ill suited she was to this material and couldn't do
(31:33):
the performance. Vulture described it as messy and chaotic. The
Sydney Morning Herald said she came across as a second
rate imitator, and David Bowie's son, Duncan Jones, tweeted over
excited or irrational, typically as a result of infatuation or
excessive enthusiasm, mentally confused, damn it, what is that word? Claire?
(31:54):
He has tweeted the Dictionary definition of Gaga on no
and she would have thought, Oh, why did I call
myself lady Gaga. I handed that one to him. Yeah,
she was very gracious about the tweet. She said it hurt,
but that is his dad, so he's titled to his
own opinion. Yeah, wasn't a good tribute, Claire, Oh No,
(32:14):
too many songs. Nine songs in six minutes is too many.
You did too much. But to call her an imitation,
it's like, well, what she meant to do? Yeah, that's
kind of what she was. She kind of said that.
She's like, I actually don't know why I was asked
to do it. I'm going to sing a song to him.
If the whole thing was weird, sick, play.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Jam and gird with Weird and Tony.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Was from Mars. Finally the covid kerfuffle. Earlier this year,
Lady Gaga was interviewed at the La Premiere for her
new film, which is a concert special that looks back
at the tour she did in twenty twenty two. You
haven't mentioned five foot two? Yeah, her documentary, what what
of it? I've seen her. She doesn't come across that well. Continue.
(32:58):
I don't think she came across that well either, but
I think she was in a good way, and she
brought up her Majonna feud twice, any other comments, and
I just said she's five foot two, okay. Right before
the screening, the thirty eight year old was interviewed by
Access Hollywood again and she said, having a little bit
of a chuckle, that she did five shows of this
(33:19):
tour with COVID. She explained, I shared the news with
everyone on my team. I said, I don't want anyone
to feel uncomfortable at work, and you don't have to perform,
and you don't have to work that day, but I'm
going to do the show because I didn't want to
let all the fans down. Gaga. That is ah ula
la u na na now a lajandro and that is
(33:45):
not something we do. And you know why, because there's
a power imbalance, because if you say to people, oh,
you don't have to work, I'll be performing, but you
don't have to work, as if people are going to
feel confident enough to say, Okay, yeah, I think you're
actually a little bit fun, Gaga, I'm not comfortable, Well
get another job. People were very upset. Some called for
(34:07):
her arrest, to which I say, what for. It's not illegal,
it's just frowned upon. All these videos started surfacing of
her walking through the crowd getting close to the fans. No,
oh no, it's really it is not a good look.
It comes across as profoundly selfish. I'm sorry. I know
I say this with a very sinusy voice, but I
(34:30):
do not have COVID. I've checked a million times. Gar
Gar is a murderer. No, she's not, but she could be. No,
that's over the top, but is it? Maybe not? I'm
an anti that I reckon you just don't say it. Yeah,
just sh don't have a little giggle being like you
know who works hard me with COVID. Yes, like, yeah, no,
(34:52):
absolutely not. But I do think whoever was making that
documentary was like, come on, share some more details because
they knew, they knew people would get mad. It's time
for charges and sentences. I'm gonna go first charge. Lady
(35:12):
Gaga loves making an artistic statement, loves it, lives for
it what she lacks. She's kind of like a year
twelve art student who like, who can like throw the
paint at the wall? Isn't good at the little essay
you got to write about? Why? Okay? I don't think
she is aware of what the statement is and I
think she does get annoyed when asked because it's like
(35:34):
meat dress. She says meat dress, and people are like,
what mean by meat dress? And she's like meat dress
and so on. She's very artist in an art gallery
who draws a spot on a canvas and you're like,
I don't get it, and they're like, well, you don't
understand art, and it's like, my question is if I
don't understand it, then what is the point? Is my question? Yeah,
(35:54):
And same with the year twelve art student is like,
so you have no skill. That doesn't apply to Gaga.
She does have skill. You've done something silly at least
bullshit me at least that's ninety percent of art is
the bullshit. My sentence is a request for some clarification.
When we do an art, can we include an artist's statement?
(36:15):
And here's the clincher. It has to make sense to me. Yes,
I need a reflection, a translation so I can process.
I have no closure on the meat dress. I lose
sleep over that because I still do not understand what
we were doing. I'm upset about the jerky. I'm upset
about the jerky, I'm upset about the vomit because you can't.
Humans don't know what to do with things that don't
(36:37):
make sense. It's nice. I don't know why someone vomited
on you on stage, but I know that fact. Yeah,
I don't know why you did it. Okay. My charge
is I'm hung up on the COVID. Oh, I'm actually
still mad about that. So my charge is quite straightforward.
Performing with COVID. Oh, and my sentence is, you're performing
(36:57):
with it even if you don't have COVID, You've got
a running nose. I'm gonna have a running nose by
the time I walk out of this. Oh no, no, no, sorry,
I'm the covied. I sound just sound terrible, Okay, but
I have been for a while. It's not going away.
If there are any doctors listening to this, great, give
me a sinus root. Anyway. With Gaga, there is something
(37:22):
in their counseled law book that we've talked about before.
It's called karma. And what I'll say is I want
somebody near her to say, I'm a hard worker. I'm
working with chicken pox, I'm working with COVID, I'm working
with a highly contagious, highly debilitating illness. And then I
(37:45):
want yeah, oh well, well, you said you're a role model,
and I thought that we liked to grind, to grind, grind.
I wonder if the meat dress had an illness, oh
like mad cow, and maybe she started it, maybe she
started swine flu. Yeah. I didn't do the things, but
(38:07):
I think that's why we don't wear meat. Yeah, I think.
I think we don't wear meat to events, crowded events
because I think it does cause swine Yeah. Yeah, so
I would say, yeah, my sentence is karma and that
she is going to get sick from someone around her,
hustling with a contagious illness. Thank you so much for
joining us for this episode of Canceled. For all the
(38:29):
receipts go to the Twins underscore thoughts on Instagram. The
executive producer of Canceled is Kimberly Bradish, with audio production
by Tom Lyon. And we will be back next week.
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